Chambers of the Occult - Old News Nonsense Vol. 10

Episode Date: October 31, 2024

In Old News Nonsense Vol. 10, we’re starting things off with a honking good story: the wandering goose of Ocean Pines, who met an untimely, yet somehow expected fate after terrorizing an entire neighborhood. This ornery goose had the whole community on edge, and it seems that Friday the 13th was the last straw.Next, we delve into a mystery worthy of a feathered detective: a birdnapping heist at Tropic Gardens Zoo. From baby parakeets to beloved Chicken George himself, it’s a tale of squawks, scandal, and a $500 reward for any information about this fowl felony.In the world of pigeons, not all birds are created equal — at least, not according to Atlantic City’s National Pigeon Association. Pigeon enthusiasts are here to defend their pristine pets against the reputation set by the boardwalk’s less-than-elegant “street pigeons.” It’s a battle of clout in the pigeon community, and these feathered aristocrats are not letting any peanut-pilfering street birds tarnish their good name.Now, hold your breath for Nebraska’s first crow-bombing in 27 years, where the skies cleared in a cacophony of cawing chaos as 5,000 unlucky crows met their explosive end. It was a coordinated operation of dynamite and primacord — all to rid Litchfield of its most unwanted feathered guests.Just when you think we’re grounded, we get swept up in the excitement of a runaway horse on Penn Avenue. This rogue equine took to the streets, crashing into wagons, evading capture, and eventually being halted by a brave bystander, Jacob Rott, who heroically held on despite being dragged 100 feet.Next, we pay our respects (or not) with an obituary for Kathleen Dehmlow, whose family spared no words in detailing her legacy — or rather, lack thereof. Sometimes, history is best remembered honestly, and for the Dehmlow family, that meant letting the world know exactly why they felt the world was better off without her.We switch gears with the Purina Cat Chow Calendar Contest, where your feline friend could claw their way to $25,000 and a shot at calendar stardom. Last year’s winner set the standard, and now it’s your cat’s turn to chow down, pose up, and possibly become America’s next top cat.Finally, we’ll wrap things up with the oddly named music group Zoom, Schwartz, and Profigliano. Named after a Milwaukee drinking game, this ensemble’s name may have raised eyebrows, but it’s their unique sound that’s got audiences talking. With a blend of harmonies, bossa nova, and calypso influences, they’re ready to shoot for the stars — and maybe even the pinnacle of show business, if their confidence is anything to go by.So tune in to Old News Nonsense Vol. 10 for a ride through stories that are anything but dull, and prepare to be amused by the oddities of old headlines.Send us a text

Chambers of the Occult may contain content that might not be suitable for all listeners. Listener discretion is advised. Welcome back. Welcome back to volume 10. Old news nonsense. We're in the double digits of old news nonsense now. We just hit the 20s for our regular episodes. And now we're at the 10s for old news nonsense. Yeah.

So pretty exciting. Thanks for sticking around. As you can see, we've got some new things here. New things brewing. So... Not ours. Maybe you'll see this space again. Maybe you won't. Kai did say last full episode that our backgrounds were going to be changing.

Yes. And we stand by that. We're still figuring things out. We're hoping to improve in lots of ways. Yeah. At some point have a consistent background. Yeah. Hopefully in person. So if anyone has a space that you don't mind us just taking over.

Yeah. Like your guest house. Like the whole guest house, not just part of it. Yeah, you know like your guest house, uh-huh, like the whole guest house, not just part of it. Yeah, like you're gone. So yeah, or you know like your mom's basement. Yeah, I guess that works too, right? Yeah, yeah. Soundproof. Yeah, we have like a checklist, Yeah, we have we have like a checklist. Oh, yeah high standards anyway Old news nonsense volume 10. Let's get started. All right I'll kick us off. Cool. I guess I got these they're on my phone So, you know, I'm not being like a really bad podcaster and just like on my phone the whole time. He's reading He could memorize them.

No, no I didn't. They're just too crazy, right? Yeah. Monologues to Lil' Quii. Let's just put on like a whole performance right now. Honestly, let's make it in. Let's dim the lights. Yes.

Spotlight. Thank you. That's the next thing we're gonna get set up. For the lighting effects. Yes. Some soft jazz in the background. I don't know what you're covering though, so maybe not jazz, maybe something else. I think jazz fits everything, right? Phil Noir.

We put a black and white filter over there. That would be fun. All right. So I'm starting us off with an article. It's from The Daily Times from Salisbury, Maryland. It was posted on Friday, August 20th, 1993. So the title of this one is Wandering Goose Meets Foul Fate in pines. At first I didn't notice the like word play, like foul fate in the title. I didn't catch that. I was just thinking someone had an early

Thanksgiving. Oh yeah, Thanksgiving is coming up. I was talking to some people earlier. I've never had a Thanksgiving turkey that was not dry. Really? No. My family just has never been able to cook a good turkey. I'm bringing you some of my dad's turkey. Gobble gobble. You're a vegetarian though. I'm vegetarian now, so I probably won't eat it.

Okay, you don't have to eat it. Just squish it. You can see that it's juicy. Yeah, so I probably won't eat it. I'll say, well, you don't have to eat it. Just squish it. You can see that it's juicy. See the moisture. I mean, hey, maybe I'll try just a bit. I don't know. Who knows?

I've been tempted. I've been tempted before, but I haven't broken yet. I don't know if we'll have turkey this year. Fair. Yeah. No, it's always a thing of, OK, who's making the turkey this year? And they try to improve.

And it's always dry. Consistently try. Consistently try. At least they're consistent. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's always consistently consistent at least they're consistent yeah yeah i mean it's good like good flavor but how do you know mr vegetarian cool all right back from technical difficultiesfrom my lack of preparedness, actually. Yeah. You just can't trust the internet.

You really can't. Okay. Wandering goose meets foul fate in pines. Yes. An ill-tempered goose is not an expected hazard of suburban living, but an over-aggressive foul is exactly what was causing headaches for one over-aggressive goose. It's a very common case. It's a very common case. A tempered goose is not an expected hazard of suburban living, but an over-aggressive

fowl is exactly what was causing headaches for one ocean pines neighborhood. The expected solution in a quiet community would not be to shoot the bothersome bird, but that is exactly what followed. I assume that's what was gonna happen. Yeah I mean, what else are you gonna, you know do it and what you're with this goose. It was 1993. Okay, maybe crossbow Or like a BB gun, but I guess that's still technically shooting. Yeah Anyway Troy Womack said his neighbor's two foot tall white pet goose had been harassing his family.

Wait! It was someone's pet goose. It was someone's pet goose. Now I feel bad for the den. No, I was going to call it turkey. Goose. You still eat those things, right? You can eat goose, geese. Oh, I wonder what it would taste like.

Like, would it taste like a turkey or? Did I ever tell you how I had pet geese? You had pet geese? And did you eat them? Yeah. Not by choice. Not by choice. I grew up as a child thinking that they were pets.

Okay. Because they were in the backyard. They were in a cage. I would feed them, all that stuff. One day I came back from school and I just had chicken soup and then I find out that the geese are gone and then I tear up. But yeah. So, I would say it tastes like chicken and trauma.

And trauma. Yeah. Well, I guess it's good to know. Thank you, Jay. Yeah. What if this goose takes like So his neighbor's white pet goose had been harassing his family at their ocean Parkway home for a month before the Authorities were called in. I don't know what that phone call is like though 911 Hey, so my neighbor's goose is just like really fucking annoying.

Can you like shoot it or something? It's very similar to 911. It's like, hey, there's a hippo in my porch. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, sir, there's a goose in your neighborhood. Yes Get rid of it. I feel like at that point they're like you should call animal control. Yeah No, that's probably what happened or something. I don't know it they said it had going on for a month

So, you know, okay, I'm sure you'll get into it. I just want to know this the behavior of this goose So the bird would rush at the house, hissing and nipping every time the family stepped outside. Like a goose, like a regular goose, right? But if it's their pet goose, why are they letting it run out? Shouldn't they have it contained in their own backyard or something like that Who knows?

Said it won't back in addition. It would leave a mess behind when it visited the yard now It doesn't really go into what mess it made. Yeah, I don't know like it tore up flowers flowers and grass and dug and ate Furniture so this was like a guard dog, but I but a good and it would guard them from leaving the house They're trapped in their own personal hell like living Living this is before deliveries. Yeah, it was yeah Okay, they could not door-dash their food to survive Anyway, will max wife Tracy cloud said she had to keep a broom by the door

So she could brush back the fouls regular assault in the morning. So she dashed to her car I can picture this already though. You're like you're like looking out through the window. You're like, he's right over there All right Like he's right over there. All right, you grab your broom. Get back. It would be the whole situation where the husband is like grabbing the doorknob, it's like you're ready, and she's like, I'm ready.

Three, two, one. Yeah, it's that freaking situation. I get people are like so terrorized by geese from time to time. Like Canada geese, it's so funny. I've never, I mean I've encountered geese before, but I've never pissed them off enough from them. They attack me.

I've strangely enough had had more interactions with turkeys than geese. My college campus, they had a little pond with ducks and geese and turkeys. And then when I worked at the YMCA, I worked at one of the schools in Fremont, and they also have turkeys in their backyard. Okay. And I was just like... So you've been around a lot of turkeys. Yeah.

More than I'd like to admit. Interesting. Okay. So... Goose are violent. Goose, ge know, Mrs. Tracy Cloud, she had to defend herself, you know, just to get out of her home. The animal's behavior particularly frightened three-year-old Rebecca Womack.

Was that their child? Their child, yeah. No. Her daughter. Who was not much taller than the goose. That's worse. That's even worse than just being a full grown adult being chased by a goose. They said the goose was two feet tall just earlier so like the daughter is

like barely even tall. Yeah like 1'8", 1'10". That's so funny. 2 years old right? 3 years old. The situation became so bad Womack said his daughter refused to leave the house. Of course. Yeah. I mean, you're three, you have something that's as big as you that is literally coming for your life. So this went on for a year, right? It went on for a month.

Okay, for a month. A month before the authorities were called. It was terrible. We quote, it was terrible. We were like prisoners in our own home, unquote, Cloud said. Repeated complaints to the pet's owner went unanswered. The family's landlord finally called Ocean Pines authorities about the free roaming fowl when the goose attacked him on a visit to the Womack house. So the landlord finally had to step in and that's when things actually happened.

Ocean Pines then dispatched an animal control officer to deal with the problem at 10 a.m. on Friday the 13th. Oh, cool. So kind of interesting. I don't know, spooky geese. What month was it? It was August I believe enough. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, or yeah, I'm 13. Yeah Community regulations say no animals are allowed to wander unsupervised

But it's a geese like how are you gonna like you're like walking it? That's what I thought you know like there there's people that like walk their cats? It's a goose. I think people walking their cats is such a funny concept. I think at that point the cat is walking you. Yeah, 100%. According to Ocean Finds Association spokesperson Donna Abbott, the bird became so aggressive when the animal control officer tried to capture it that he had to resort to his pellet gun

So it was like a pellet. Okay. Yeah, so we weren't too far off I'm gonna get it now Abbott said the Association had received it numerous complaints about the goose before they acted so While Womack said he wanted the goose to be removed. He did not want to see it dead quote I was surprised they had to destroy it. I thought they would just release it with the other geese. Destroy it. Thank you. That's what I'm stuck on.

You just say like, I'm sorry we had to put it down. You had to kill it, you had to go. Yeah. Destroy it. Yeah. But like. That sounds more gruesome though. Yeah, but like how much destruction can you actually do with like a pellet gun, you know?

Well, it's a geese. I'm sure a lot, because it's coming after you. I mean, I know one of like the rules of like firearms in general is like, do not point a gun at anything you're not willing to destroy. So like, Key word, destroy. So, I don't know.

Not fair. Anyway, yeah, he said, yeah, I was surprised they had to destroy it. I thought they would just release it with the other geese at the Southgate pond, he said. No, it's going to find its way back. Quote, the situation kind of got out of control, added Cloud. Ocean Pines would not name the goose owner owner and he could not be reached for comment. Ah, and that's all. And that's all. That's all. May they rest in peace. That's the fowl. Or pieces. Fowl. The fowl fowl. The fowl fowl. Love it. What do you have for us? I want to know if there's

anything that I have that correlates directly to a geese or like a bird. Mm-hmm. Don't know if I will. No, I don't, but I do have death. Oh. I mean, I guess that correlates. Yeah, yeah. So this is kind of a more recent one.

It's from 2005. Okay. And it's from Florida Times, June 5th, 2005. And this is someone's obituary. No, you don't have to be so sad. Her name is Kathleen Demlow. And it says Kathleen Demlow was born on March 19th, 1938 to Joseph and Gertrude of Wabasco. Wabazo. Wabazo.

Tobasco. Yeah, thank you. Tobasco, the hot size. It's also not super long, but it continues by saying, she married Dennis Demlow at St. Anne's in Wabso in 1957 and had two children, Gina and Jay. I love this part. In 1962, she became pregnant by her husband's brother. Okay, why does this need necessary in an obituary? Lyle Demplow and moved to California.

It continues by saying, she abandoned her children, Gina and Jay, who were raised by her parents in Clements, Mr. and Mrs. Joseph. Okay. And it says, she passed away on May 31st, 2018 in Springfield. Wait, so this, okay, 2018 in Springfield and will now face judgment. Like up there? By the big man himself? And it continues by saying, she will not be missed by Gina and Jay. And they understand that this world, it's a better place without her. God.

So, this was probably by Gina or Jay. No, 100%. And they're like, mom, dad, here's an obituary for her. They're like, the county or whatever was like, hey, like, you know, we need an obituary for your mom. Do you have anything you want? And they were like, fuck that lady. We got something for you. Yeah.

See, and I also wanna know if they read it before they published it or if they just like, cool, it's an obituary. They're all sweet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or if they read it and they were just like, eh, whatever, if that's what they wanna say. You sure you wanna, they're like, like whatever, like if that's what they want to say. You sure you want to, you, you, and they're like, yeah, we're sure that's what we want

to put out there. Love it. Yeah. Um, this was actually sent in by Isabelle. Oh, really? Yeah. Okay. Thanks, Isabelle.

We know you're watching. You better be. Mm-hmm. Um, but yeah, what do you have to follow in an obituary or affairs or children? I sort of unexpectedly, not on purpose, but all of mine are animal themes today. They revolve around that. There's usually a theme somewhere. I was scrolling and basically it was just like I would search something, look through

and a title of another article would inspire me to search something else. And like they all ended up being somehow animal related. Okay, I'm glad that you said that because I had a couple animal ones and I still do. Okay. But not as many as they originally had. So I'm glad that you

Got you brought more at us. I got it. Okay cool. So mine's from the Pittsburgh press Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania Tuesday October 25th 1910. Okay. I feel like 1910 is a cool year I don't know what makes it 1910. Yeah, you know, it's satisfying anyway runaway horse causes excitement. For who? Everyone. Let's find out. Several persons narrowly escaped injury at nine o'clock this morning when a sorrel horse

attached to one of the bakery wagons of Bauer Bros. East End, dashed along Penn Avenue and through the East Liberty Business District. That's why people are excited. Free loaves of bread. Yes. They got a show, they got some good food, they got to take a little bit of time off work probably to watch what was happening. Sorry I'm late boss. There was a horse that just ran away. Yeah, and it caused some damage. You know, there's a big traffic jam.

Which there actually was. Because everyone moved by horse or like buggy. So technically it did cause traffic. Wow, wait, yeah. It does make sense now, whoa. No, it actually did. So it says, the animal was stopped by Jacob Rott of Sandy Creek, who was dragged about 100 feet while holding the bridle.

Why would you? He was like, he stopped and it just dragged him. Yeah. Okay, you know, common sense is not there. And that's what this whole segment is about. Yeah, that's what old news nonsense is all about, right? Yeah. I mean, they barely had common sense like,

I mean, even like, you know, like two years ago. Yeah. Like, so. Yeah, yeah, we deal with those people all the time. We're getting there as a society, but it's taking a while. Are we really getting there? Because sometimes I lose hope in humanity. Oh yeah, I know.

And the children bring it back. The good ones. Yeah. Yeah. Some of them are like so like brain rotted and they like... iPad kids. iPad kids. They're like, you know, you have zero Riz and I'm just like, okay, dude, what did I do to

you? Like, you're skibbly. You're literally from Ohio, dude. Anyway, Jacob Rott, he was dragged 100 feet by this horse. So the horse took fright while its driver, Eugene Bower, was delivering goods at a store on Penn Avenue near Euclid Avenue. So they're delivering some of the goods, some of the bread from their bakery. don't know it dashed along Penn Avenue and when near Sheridan Street Collided with a holler bread wagon. So Even more bread and even more collisions the traffic jam

Whoa See it would be a traffic jam, but where's the? Bread and bread. Sorry, I'm just being stupid. Who had the cart with jam? I did. And I'm actually going to go back in time and add the jam in there. And I'm actually gonna go back in time and add the jam in there. Yeah Anyway, I would have ran up and grabbed some bread but that's for people did The bower wagon was hurried or was hurled against the curb and one of the shafts was broken at Penn Avenue And Collins were three employees of the Allegheny County Light Company were repairing an of the Allegheny County Light Company were repairing an arc light, the horse dashed among them. I wonder if they were like up, like on a ladder or something, like repairing like the lights and the horse just like came and toppled through.

That does make sense though. That does make sense. That's kind of what I'm thinking. Yeah, it's like a movie scene. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It really is a movie scene. They like flip down, they go. They had to come from somewhere. Yeah, they did. The horse continued to the Penn Avenue bridge across the Pennsylvania railroad tracks

rot then made a flying a filing leap at the horse and grasped the bridle unable to bring it to a stop immediately he was dragged for more than 30 years what before the animal came to a standstill. Does it say years? It says years, look. Then 30 years. Dragged for more than 30. I hope that was meant to be yards.

Yeah, probably 30 yards. Yeah. Although I think that would be like a really funny story. Like you see this happen and you go to like a sleepover or like you tell spooky stories and it's like and he's still being dragged by him. He never let go. Yeah. No, 100% meant to say yards because like 30 yards is like 90 ish feet.

The city got dragged for 100 feet, right? So over 30. Yeah. Anyway, I hope that horse had fun. I hope the people watching had fun. And I hope that some people got some bread. Yeah, some free bread. Someone showed up to visit family or friends and was like,

for bread! Yeah, shows up with a basket full of bread. Yeah, I would do that. I don't think I have anything to follow up horses. It's fine. But. Take it a nay. I would, I would. Goodbye.

Don't let the door hit you on your way out. Oh, I can actually like get up and walk out of frame now. You can. That's crazy. I mean, you always cook, but they could never see. Exactly, yeah. I could see. They never could though.

Yeah. Cool. What do we got for us now? Oh, I think we got a little bit of a like get up and walk out of frame. You can't. I mean, you always cook but they could never see. Exactly. Yeah. I could see they could never cook though. Yeah. Cool. What do we got for us now? Animals. Of course. This is from the Arizona Republic from April 13th, 1977. And it's, we're going back to a zoo. Okay. And it's we're going back to a zoo. Okay, and it says burglars at private zoo net squawking feathered booty

Repeat that Burglars at private zoo, okay, that's squawking nuts Yeah feathered booty net squawking feathered booty. It's comma feathered booty. Oh, OK. Yes. Got it. Got it. Got it. Yeah, go on. And it says it all started last week with the disappearance of five baby parakeets and five peach faced lovebirds. What's worse?

I guess that's worse. I don't know. I don't know if you guys heard that. There's like a loud honk outside. What's worse? Chicken George later turned up missing. Not chicken George. I don't know why like a chicken going missing is more, it's worse than than five baby parakeets and five peach-faced lovebirds. I feel like those are more of a commodity than just a chicken. His name was George. They didn't name the other five birds that went missing. Exactly. George was important. Someone had an emotional attachment to George.

Maybe he was a service animal. Service chicken. Just like the pet goose. Then Monday night, the final straw. Four macaws, as expensive as they are nosy, were bird napped from Tropical Garden Zoo, 6232 North Stevens Street. Kathy Egan, director of the privately owned zoo said the missing birds represent a financial loss of more than $4,000. But their value goes far beyond money, especially

Chicken George. I don't know why they keep going back to Chicken George. I love Chicken George. I don't know if that like there was an actual chicken at a zoo that got stolen, but at the time I'm like now I really want to check it just sitting in George. Just a name George This is 1977 right? Yes at four thousand four thousand four thousand. Yes four thousand dollars 1972 now That's roughly

Dude, no. That's roughly... I'm gonna add another zero, but I think that's way too much. Like 21,000? Okay, yeah, that's still a lot though for birds. And a chicken. Well, I feel like a macaw though would be... It'd be in the thousands for sure.

That's true, like a macaw but mixed with all the other ones. I feel like 20,000 is like a little low, but it also makes, I don't know. I don't know about... Fair. I'm not a zookeeper. I don't work. I don't almost was You don't do inflation And it continues by saying Especially chicken George. He was just a plain old chicken which ran lose around loose around the zoo So he wasn't even like a pet of the zoo? No. At some point that chicken left someone's backyard and wandered into the zoo and they just took him in. So he's

kind of like lieutenant. Yeah. You guys don't know who lieutenant is? That's a good thing. You have to figure that out for yourself. Breadcrumbs. Breadcrumbs. From the horse carriage. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It continues by saying, Mr. Egan said, but the kids loved him and they would let him pick, and they would let pick English. And he would let them pick him up. He was friendly with everybody. He is lieutenant.

Wow. Okay. See now I want to know what color it was though. Was it like an orangish chicken? I'm thinking an orangish like feathered chicken. Yeah. The bird napping started about a week ago when the parakeets not yet able to fly and the lovebirds were discovered missing from their cages. Mr. Egan said that the parakeets were worth about $8 a piece and the lovebirds about $20 each. The macaws, among the stars of the zoo, 250 bird animal collection are worth about $1,000 each. Mr. Egan said, gone are a matched pair of blue and gold macaws, a maroon and a scarlet. And the latest it is. How do you get away with birds? Because I would think they would be loud.

They'd be loud. You can't just stuff them, especially the macaws, because macaws are big birds. You can't just grab it and stuff especially the macaws, because macaws are big birds. Yeah. Like you can't just like grab it and like stuff it in your jacket or something. I also feel like they would try to fight back. They would. Have you seen macaws like talons or whatever to like grasp the branches? Yeah.

This would hurt. See like it starts with small birds and then a chicken and then the macaws. Got it. I think the chicken was just like an accident to be honest. I think it just came with us. It just came with us. It was wandering to the zoo, it was wondering to the back of the van. What if George the chicken, what if he was like protecting them? What if he was like fighting back against whoever was stealing and they just, they destroyed

the chicken droid. It's a whole movie, like the circle of life of pets. It's like the circle of life of George. George the chicken. Yeah. He was going to rescue them. Yeah. In the latest... In the covert mission. It's like this. George the chicken. Yeah. He was going to rescue them. Yeah. And the latest mission it is no one's going to notice a chicken between McCaws. In the latest incident that thieves entered the zoo by breaking through a wooden fence, then opened the cages,

which were only latch. Mr. Egan said the McCaws would have put up a commotion over the intruders, she said, but no nearby residents or passerby is reported to hear anything. Of course, they need a special diet and require special handling, as does any Macaw, she said. Whoever took them knew what he was doing. We were sick when we just we're not done we were sick when we discovered chicken George was gone like they're why do they care more about chicken George they're like oh the McCaws they're so sad chicken yeah it says we were sick when we discovered that chicken George was gone

but when the McCaws were stolen, that had to be it. Police are investigating the theft and the zoo is offering a $500 award for information leading to the arrest and conviction of anyone who has stolen any of the birds. And that is all. A foul tale. A foul tale. A foul tale. You did start with a foul word. Or are we just sharing humor from history?

I miss Chicken George. I'm going to make a reference to Chicken George at some point in the future. So we've got like Jeff the Mongoose, we've got Chicken George, we've got... We'll figure it out. Let us know what else we have. The Platypus in the Platypus. The Platypus. What were the Platypus' names again?

If you're a true fan, you would know this. Do you remember them? I'm not gonna test you on that. Fuck no. I'm not even a true fan. All right, what do we got next? I don't know, Kai. What do we have next?

Well, I know that what we have next also has to do with burns. Don't die. I was going to say I'm going to die. You read my mind. Anyway, the Press of Atlantic City published this article. So Atlantic City, New Jersey, Thursday, February 10th, 1972. Street pigeons give bird a bad name. And I agree actually. Street pigeons kind of suck, but I need to get into this really quick.

Yeah, I was going to be like, where are you going with this? Because some people have some strong opinions about pigeons. Pigeons are one of the saddest tales of modern humanity. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I wasn't sure where you're going with this Like we bred them and we domesticated them to be carrier pigeons like in the wars, right? and so like they literally came to us as their masters and they like showed affection and so much love and then we just

Abandoned them after the wars were over. And so there is these domesticated animals that are like searching for love and like guidance and They're just out in them wild and now they've like driven gone like insane because of this and and people consider them like pests yes even though they were literally like amazing animals out like there are literally pigeons who have like the highest medals awarded in the military yeah yeah for their service it's crazy honestly like if the internet was to like if all technology was to die down tomorrow, you would get a carry pigeon from me. Yeah.

Yeah. Because I don't know how to get to you, but the pigeon somehow does. I think the saddest part that I just realized is that we kind of treat pigeons how our actual veterans are treated a lot of the time now. But that's a different topic. Anyway. We're talking about pigeons. Atlantic City.

Not all pigeons are of the peanuts, popcorn, grubbing variety found in large groups on the boardwalk. Just recently, more than 6,000 pigeons, representing 70 of the 250 known breeds, were on exhibition at the National Pigeon Association Show held here in Convention Hall. People acknowledged them. People acknowledged them. I didn't know there were 250 known breeds of pigeons.

That's pretty cool. Anyway, the National Association was founded 22 years ago in Indianapolis by a now 75-year-old former weekly newspaper publisher. Quote, street pigeons are a nuisance, unquote said Frank H. Holman of Warrington, Missouri, the association's first president. Quote, besides, he gave all they give all pigeons a bad name Quotes a tag Hallman Hallman feels the pigeons don't deserve angry Wayne L. Reif of Mount Holly another past

Association president and Holman pointed out comparisons which pigeons came out ahead of man quote lots of people consider pigeons a dirty bird, Holman said. Just go about their business. They don't bother anyone. I mean, until they do. And then they like they poop everywhere and they like hound you for food.

Yeah, but then we have geese. Who's the real threat to humanity? This is true. This is true. This is true. Who's the real threat to that three-year-old? Yeah, you're right. I would not want, I would not to be, I'd be fine hanging around a group of pigeons, but I wouldn't want to be like next to a group of geese

No, so they could turn on you at any point. They really could Pigeons are the cleanest of birds. They bathe daily, which is more than many humans do and quote. Yes, I agree Reif noted that quote pigeons mate for life quote, or they don't cheat on each other, he said. Some of the breeds exhibited were described by the two pigeon fanciers. The Jacobin is characterized by the feather which covers its head. The fantail by its unusual tail and the oriental frill by its beak

Pigeons range in size from the giant runt About three and a half pounds. Okay diamond dove about two ounces Specially like there's a lot of them. Yeah, I had a friend in college who she had a pet pigeon and She educated me so much about them and whenever I would go over like she would take her pigeon out and like it would just chill on me and I was like pet, pet, pet. She would also take her the pigeon for walks or fly. But yeah. They're nice birds. Yeah I've never been like the biggest bird lover but I did really want a cockatiel when I was younger. I wanted a parrot. I think I had a couple of parrots and I think they both died. I'm not sure.

If they're not there. I don't remember. I don't have a memory of what happened to them just that I had them. So I think they disappeared one day and my stepdad was like, oh, we had to give them away but I think they probably just died. So anyway. Yes. Pittens. I think one was

like a soft blue and it was like a yellow I know they're really cute birds but I wanted a cockatiel like the big like white ones or was cockatoo cockatoo I think any bird people let me know like kind of like a like his mid-set like they're the super smart birds okay literally like talk to you got it okay I don't know I know which ones you're talking about yeah with like a mid-size, like they're the super smart birds that can literally talk to you. Got it, okay. I don't know. I know which ones you're talking about, yeah. With like a little yellow feather at the top in a way. I wanted one so bad, anyway.

Where was I? Prices for the birds range from $50 to $1,000, whole inside. Whoa, okay. And so this was 1972, so similar-ish time from our last one. So yeah, it would have been a lot of money here as well. Holman, who is publisher of the American Pigeon Journal and an enthusiastic advocate of pigeon fancying, said the hobby is growing. The Pigeon Association has grown to about 1,200 members from the 15 who started

it in 1920." He said. Wow. That's cool. Good for them. I'm glad people are into pigeons. Yeah. I appreciate it. Quote, Noah was the first pigeon fancier when he released the dove from the ark, he said. From the ark. Okay. I love that. I love that. So when Noah was making his arc and allowing all the animals in, he was like, yeah, you're pigeons, you're pretty cool. You can come

here too. Yeah, I never thought of that. Right? He took every single animal. I also feel like when you see the drawings, you see all the typical animals like giraffes, lions. Like lions, elephants. You don't see doves, but you don't see a pigeon flying in there. You don't see like any birds except for doves. Yeah. Like, what about the penguins? What about like a polar bear? Or like, how do you fit all those things?

Anyway. Okay, I think those were fine because they could swim. Oh yeah. A polar bear would have been fine. Yeah. Yeah. Polar bears survive like anything. I don't know. It's crazy. Except global warming. Anyway. Pigeons. Do your part. Yes. What's your commitment to Earth? I live here. Okay. Quote, a dove is a pigeon but not all pigeons are doves, he added in a way of explanation. And about those pigeons on the boardwalk, despite the city's efforts, six years ago

it spent $15,000 to get rid of them. They are still there, cooing, eating nuts thrown by passersby, and apparently not giving a feather about their more expensive caged brethren who visit here annually. Nice. I like it. Yeah. And that's it.

Pigeons. Pigeons. Stop discriminating against them. That's all I'm going to say. A few months ago, like back in June, I had the funeral for my grandpa and we released some dubs. So it was cool. I had a dub in my hand.

That was the first time I was like, wait, this is actually really cool. And I let it go. It flew. My family turned to it and said, that's a great business model. Like being a person who rents out dubs for the funeral, don't you never lose your stock. You say right like die not rent, but Like how do you get a bad car? No, because they're trained. Yeah, they're trained to fly back home When they're released right so like they know where home is that's the business so it's a good business model Like you get paid to have your dubs used and then they just always come back. It's like an endless supply

paid to have your doves used and then they just always come back. It's like an endless supply. Yeah, fair. I like that. Yeah. Well, on the topic of birds, we're going to deviate and just kidding, we're going to stay on birds. Not super long compared to your pigeons because I couldn't find more information on this. That's fair. I found out that this was not the first time, but anyway, the title of, oh, this is from, let me tell you, the Elderwood Bulletin, 1947. And the name of the article says, Crow bombing kills over 5,000 near Lichfield. A crow bombing?

See, so I love how people think pigeons are like a vermin and yet we're bombing crows. Oh yeah, dude. I mean crows, I don't know, I love, crows are cool. I just like animals. Crows are cool, I like animals. And it says, crew of the state game commission went into action last Monday evening on a crow bombing program

near Litchfield When the smoke of the barrage cleared away it was estimated that between five thousand and ten thousand crows Had been killed that is so sad. I also don't know why someone would partake in this They're not bothering anyone, just let them be. Yeah. This was the first mass bombing in Nebraska in 27 years. Why was there a mass bombing in Nebraska in the first place? Thank you. Like they like that's such a common occur. Yeah. Casual.

It's like we haven't had a mass bombing in 27 years. What was your- Why would we have one now then? Why can't you wait more? Keep pushing it back. Wait, how? But if they consider it a mass bombing, how do they make sure there wasn't like

human population? By standards, thank you. I don't know. And like, yeah, like you. I don't know. Yeah. People that were not their target, what? Did they gather the crows? Crowd bombing program. Well, I was just going back to it. It was a crowd bombing program, which means, I don't know, people took precautions, I assume.

Okay. So they knew it was coming, they sheltered. I also don't know how efficient it's to bomb birds that fly. Because I think it would make a mess if they're flying on fire. Well, they wouldn't fly very long. No, but still, they would crash into something and then, I don't know, it's true. It continues by saying, about a hundred containing dynamite and number four shop were placed in a two acre crow roost and set off with a prime accord. uh, Prima cord it was estimated 75,000 crows were in the area How do you estimate what

That's at first it says it kills over 5 000 and then there's an estimate between 5 000 to 10 000 And now it was estimated that 75 000 crows were in the area But it only killed... 5,000? I don't know. They flew away, they survived. Math is not my strong suit. Neither is theirs.

Neither is theirs, yeah. But that is all. That's it? That's it. There's no more. I tried looking for more like crow bombings, and there is more, but not related to this one. Not this one specifically which I just found wild that there's more crow bombings elsewhere yeah who's who who

needs to bomb this many crows aren't there better ways to get rid of crows whose hobby is this who's gonna say mom can I join like the crow bombing like club what do you want to be when you grow up? I wanna massacre the entire crow population of Earth, planet Earth. Yeah, I don't know. That's crazy. I mean clearly it's like a club or like an extracurricular.

I wanna know more. I wanna know more. If you guys know anything more about crow bombings, the reason for them. Especially this crow. If you guys know what the first mass bombing in Nebraska was let us know I'm I'm really curious to know that as well Who knows maybe maybe that can be like a bonus case or something for like or like the history of crow bombing if it's like

a hat or the bombing of Nebraska But what if it was like controlled experiment because I don't know what to call like a controlled bombing or detonation like a test Yeah, or something. Yeah like that I also I don't know I would be really disappointed in humanity if Let's say you were the person that was in charge of the first bombing in a bar like the bombing that happened 27 years ago Yeah, and it's been 27 years and then you hear oh another mass bombing in a... Like the bombing that happened 27 years ago. Yeah. And it's been 27 years and then you hear, oh, another mass bombing in Nebraska.

And then you're like, yeah, they bombed pros. You're like... It's like what? Have we come this far? Imagine you're like... You're... Whatever his name is. The guy that made the atomic bomb.

Yeah. What's his name? I don't know. You that made the atomic bomb. What's his name? I don't know. You're asking the wrong person. I keep wanting to say Eisenhower or some shit, but Oppenheimer. There we go. Oppenheimer. Yeah. Imagine being that guy and you're like, I just created the world's like most advanced bomb like this is gonna this like bomb technology everywhere And then like it just gets used to massacre a bunch of crows. They use bombs with like dynamite Which I don't know if it's worse or better probably better. I don't know anyway. I don't think he'd be worried about crows

He probably would be more worried about like them the millions of people getting killed. Getting killed, yeah. All the land is unusable now. All right, moving on. Yeah, birds? No more because this is actually about something that kind of have a bit of a rivalry with birds in a way. Okay. Cats.

Okay, I was like, what has a rivalry with birds? Other birds? Like birds of prey? Well, like cat, you know, they always want to kill birds. Sometimes they'll like walk up to you and drop you a dead bird with a cut or some shit. Or a live one. Or a dead bird. Yeah, they caught or some shit or a live one or a live one Anyway, this is from the Atlanta Constitution Atlanta, Georgia newspaper not like it

Atlanta, Georgia, okay Sunday March 30th 1980 And this one actually is an ad for sweepstakes The Purina cat chow calendar cat sweepstakes. It's for the Purina Cat Chow calendar cat sweepstakes. Wait, how do you join? How did you join? So it says, enter your cat in the 1981 Cat Chow calendar sweepstakes and you could win $25,000 in cash like last year's cat. Would you mind pulling up your phone and doing some math? Some inflation? Inflation translations?

Okay. So $25,000. Inflation. Calculator. $25,000 in 1980. Hold on. Anyway. Okay.

$25,000. Wait. What's this? Okay. $25,000. Yeah. In? 1980. 1980. This would,000 25,000. Yeah, it's Everything's gone down. Okay No, that's 10,000

131 So wait, wait, I did not add a zero. Wait, what did I? I added cents So wait, no, it's adding more zeros on the cents hold on There we go. Okay, got it. $101,317. That makes sense. $101,317. Damn, so you could win a hundred K, a hundred thousand dollars if you won the sweepstakes.

Okay, but what does your cat have to do or what do you have to do? All right, so it says, your cat's been practicing the chow chow chow all year long. Okay. And now he's ready to enter this year's fabulous calendar cat sweepstakes. Now if he wins, he'll be the star of our all new 1981 cat chow calendar. And if you'll, and you'll win $25,000 in cash.

To enter, just fill out the entry form below and mail it in or drop them or clip them from the boxes appearing in Cat Chow Cat Food. Original Blend, Country Blend, and Ocean Blend. You've got options. We do, yeah. We'll even get you started with our 15 cents off coupon. If you like, tell us about your special cat or enclose a snapshot. Winners will be selected from a random drawing of all entries, so enter as often as possible.

Oh, wow. So stock up for your cat. Stock up, buy, send in those clippings, you get extra entries. But don't wait. You have until June 2nd to enter your cat in the exciting Purina Cat, Cow, Chow, Calendar Cat sweep states. I wonder if they still do that. So it goes into a bit of the rules, which I don't really need to go into. But it's a cool little newspaper article. I mean, we'll definitely put it on the screen and stuff.

You'll see it here. Yeah, there's like a little. I'll edit it here. You can see it. Yeah. It'll be like zoom. Woo. I don't know, something like that.

Terms and conditions are just going to fly through. Yeah, the root to terms will fly through the screen. That'll be fun. Cat child, cute pictures. But what I want to, and also has the 15 cent off coupon, the mail-in form. But what I want to go over quickly is the prizes because there's actually a lot of them. Like second place, third place, runner-ups and all that pretty cool it's pretty unexpected actually so it's a hundred thirty thousand dollars total in prizes so hundred thirty thousand in figure it out hundred thirty

thousand dollars in 1980 hundred and thirty thousand dollars it's whoa okay that's half a million it's five five hundred twenty six thousand dollars So half a million total dollars worth the prizes for a cat company Whoa, okay. So I don't know if they were desperate or they just wanted the attention either way they got it 2510 winners so it seems like, yeah, there's going to be 2,510 winners. So there's going to be 2,510 cats in the calendar, I guess.

Which is a lot. Okay, I wanted you to repeat the 2,000 because I'm like, did you say winners? Yeah, winners. We said winners. Whoa. So the first grand prize was the 25,000 in cash, which is about the $100,000. There are two first prizes, so I guess the runner-ups to it. So there's the grand prize and then there's the first prize under it, which is weird,

which is a trip for two to Cheshire, England via London for one week, all expenses. For you and your cat. Yeah. But that's pretty cool. Yeah, for sure. I think I might honestly rather have money than a trip to Cheshire. I think when people enter, we all want the money, but we'd be okay with the trip. Oh, I mean, I'd be okay with it. I would take it happily. I'd go on that trip. There are three second prizes. So technically the third prize in the line.

Grand Prize, First Prize, Second Prize. And so those three are a Sony 21-inch Trinitron Remote Control Color Television with Betamax video cassette recorder. That would be pretty cool. I feel like they're just advertising it like this is what you want. Yeah. No, I mean, that's a pretty cool price, though. Oh, yeah.

A nice new TV. Especially for just sending in stuff about your cat. Yeah, for 1980. It seems like a very easy contest to enter and very easily. It really does. Like a big... You have a cute cat, you buy our cat food, enter. Doesn't have to be a cute cat, does it?

I think they just said like submit your cat pictures or tell us about your cat. No, yeah. If you like, tell us about your special cat. Yeah. Special. Doesn't have to be cute. Doesn't have to be cute. Sphinx cats.

I'm sorry. Hairless cats. Let us know your thoughts on hairless cats. I hate those things. I'm going to be so real. I'm sorry. They're not for everyone. And you have to moisturize them, I found out.

Do you? Yeah. Because they have no fur and they can't clean themselves. Their skin kind of dries them. So yeah, so it's kind of like you... I'm pretty sure it's not Vaseline, but you have to moisturize them. Okay, got it. I don't know how often, but I know you do. Yeah. Sorry guys, I can't go out tonight. I have to moisturize. Okay, got it. I don't know how often, but I know you do.

Yeah, sorry guys, I can't go out tonight. I have to moisturize my cat. Your excuse every single night. I need a hairless cat now. Anyway, there's four third prizes. So the grand prize, first prize, second prize, third prize. Yeah. And there's four of those.

Okay. So you get a Litten Deluxe Meal-in Microwave oven. Okay. See that's I don't think you can enter contest now and they'll give you like things like this But also a microwave oven back then was like cool like that was like new like that was something awesome back then It's like everyone has a microwave. Yeah Anyway, but then the fourth prizes after that so the lower tier of the prizes There's 25 prizes, there's 2500 of those. Okay.

2500. And what are those? A year's supply of Purina cat chow cat food. I'd be okay with that though. If I have a cat and I wanted you to supply, I'd be okay with that. Just part of the sweepstakes, even if you don't win one of the high prizes, you send in a picture of your cat, a little bit about them, you win a year worth of cat food for your cat. That's awesome.

I mean, I'm just saying like food for pets, it's already expensive on it. Yeah, like it adds up. So I'd be happy with a year's worth of dog food. And that's 25,000 people that won that? Or 2,500. 2,500. So 2,500 people, which is kind of a lot. That's a lot. Yeah.

Anyway, that's pretty much the ad, the sweepstakes. You don't have the winner? That's fine. I wasn't expecting you to have the winner. I don't. No, that's great. Cool. Thank you.

I'm going to quickly look that up right now, though. The winner of the cat? 1981. Go for it. Carina and though. The winner of the cat? 1981. Go for it. Carina and Cat. The winner of the contest. That's what it is. But what do you have for us, Joe?

I have something that directly correlates with us. Wait. On Poshmark, someone's selling the 1981 calendar. No way. Which is funny. Okay. Oh, and of course it would have the first picture is a picture of... I'm sure like the first place winner.

The first place winner, yeah. Okay. You know, we can include a picture of that cat as well. We'll put it on the website, yeah. It's like this cat right here, I guess. Okay. I'm not mad at that picture. Cool.

Me neither. Yeah. Yeah, we'll put it on the website. Or Instagram or wherever. Yeah. Somewhere. Keep an eye out for it. You'll see it. If you see it, great.

If you don't, you're not looking hard enough. Do better. So, I am moving away from animals and this one directly correlates to us. This one is from… No. Oh, no. What? I only have the year.

I don't know from Hold on that's press Gazette staff writer. Okay by Warren Greed 1976 okay, okay Cool. I had to forgot to rename this but yes, so it says night beat a show group named what and It continues by saying, when I saw the ad for.

Would you care to guess? I don't know. You'll get it as soon as I say it, but OK. And add for when I saw an ad for Zoom, shorts and profugliano. Oh, I thought to myself, any group with them Zoom, Schwartz, and Profigliano. Oh. I thought to myself, any group with a moniker like that must think it's got something real special to offer. Yes, it does.

Sure enough, Zoom, Schwartz, and Profigliano does perform a cut above the ordinary, named after a Milwaukee drinking game. Oh, that makes sense. Because Milwaukee is like where it started. Yeah, it really is! That makes sense! You guys have no clue what we're talking about right now. Whoever said the thing a while ago on this little... J and R are like a well-oiled comedy duo or whatever.

Well, there's more breadcrumbs for you. Why don't we talk about yesterday though? Not yesterday, last episode we brought something up. We talked about the vampire. Oh, this vampire scene. Yeah, we were talking about the scene. Yes. Yeah, we did this vampire scene. So now. So if you know what this is, then you know some more insight into who we are. Actually, you can reach out to us. If you want to know what we're talking about, at the bottom of the things that send out at setx or common or Instagram just reach out we're not really holding anything back they just don't ask so true ask us and we'll answer like I yeah I'm right here what do you want to know it continues by saying named after a Milwaukee drinking game, the five-member show group

is performing this week at the Victorian House. Its style marks a shift in format from Super Club, one which will continue, the management says. As for the name Zoom, Schwartz, and Perf perfect Liano, no one really liked it at first. One said like, one really liked it. No one really liked it at first said Bill leader leader of the Milwaukee based outfit, but the name has an aura to it. And it was the choice when the group hit the road six weeks ago. Among the reasons for the choice when the group hit the road six weeks ago among the reasons for the choice

Number one it's kind of Vanda villain I Think I said it right. Yeah. Yeah Villain. Yeah. Yeah number two. It's kind of a takeoff on groups with last names It's kind of a takeoff on groups with last names Crosby still snash and young and seals and crops. We also like the idea of three names with five people The moniker has caused some problems though when I was talking to agents one said I'm a professional entertainer Service and I can't book a name like that.

And the group aside from Schützman on guitar and Dan Reilly guitar, Sally Vanjian vocals, Harold Miller bass, and Gary Weisner. Weissner, thank you. Weissner? Yeah. On drums. Two are from Denver, two are from Milwaukee, and one is from Dallas. The group's forte is harmonies, which are really nice in the contemporary tunes. Okay. Gotta get away from it all. And Shooting the Breeze, also adding to the pleasantness are Boss Nova and Calypso members and medleys of older tunes. The group performs remarkably well for being together such a brief time, but that doesn't happen by accident. We rehearse every day for about four or five hours, Riley said.

Soon, Schwartz and Proffigliano is already looking into the future. We've all studied music, and we've all got songs written ourselves. The logical conclusion to that is that we like to do recordings and perform them in a concert situation. We're heading for the pinnacle, said Riley.

Might that be too confident of a statement? Riley responded, why not? We work hard. And that is all. That's cool. I love that. I really just thought of like typing in just like Perfigliano, see what would show up and there was something.

Zoom shorts Perfigliano. Zoom. Shorts. Perfigliano. Perfigliano. Perfigliano. Perfigliano. Perfigliano. Perfigliano. Perfigliano. Perfigliano. This could never go on forever. We just can't zoom a zoom. You can't. Everything else is doable. Yeah. Yeah. Honestly, it is. And that is all. Smurf. Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah!

Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Ah! Oh my god.

Yes folks, we're weirdos. We are. It's why we have a true crime podcast. Yeah. Ah! Ah! The more you know. Thanks for being here, folks.

Yeah. This was a fun one. We loved this new format. I had a great time. I had a great time. So, you know, who knows? You'll probably see more of this pretty soon. For sure. In the future. You will. And with that, we'll let you know. Yeah. I mean, as always, let us know. Suggestions, anything like that. What you want to see more from us. Isabel, send in an obituary. Send in stuff. Send in articles. Send in stories, cases.

Send in your cat pictures. We'll make a calendar. Oh my gosh. Wait, that would be so sick. Wait. Wait. You guys could send in like ghost-themed cat pictures or stuff like that. We could make like a whole chamber

of calendar. Okay, hold on. As soon as you said that, I also pictured if any of you have a white cat and you've ever taken a picture of your white cat eating berries, send that to us. I would look like the red and the blood. You would look like blood. So we would have like a ghost cat and then we would have like a killer cat. Yeah.

I'd be okay with that. I'd be so fine. Anyway, throw us ideas like that. You know, we love shit like that too. As you can see, we're just grasping at straws and we come up with stuff. We are. And we're having fun doing it. Hope you guys are enjoying too. Yeah. Thanks for watching and listening. Yeah. And until next time. See ya. Bye. Smurf! Bye! Thanks for listening to Chambers of the Occult. For photos, sources, and anything else mentioned during the episode, check out our website

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