Change Your Brain Every Day - Stop Believing Every Thought You Have: Healing Your Anxious Mind Part 1

Episode Date: April 13, 2026

Anxiety is not just a feeling—it's a brain health issue. In this week's episode of part 1 of their anxiety series, Dr. Daniel Amen and Tana dive into the neuroscience of anxiety and practical, evid...ence-based ways to improve mental well-being. Drawing on decades of clinical experience and brain imaging research, they offers tools to calm the mind, build resilience, and optimize brain function. Change your brain—and you can change your life.   For anxiety help: https://www.amenclinics.com/ Amen Clinics locations: https://www.amenclinics.com/locations/

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Anxiety is not merely a fleeting feeling of nervousness. It's a complex emotional state deeply rooted in the brain's intricate networks. Some anxiety is absolutely essential. People who have low levels of anxiety die early from accidents and preventable illnesses. In this episode, Dr. Amen and Tanna reveal the truth behind anxiety and how it impacts your everyday life. If you are struggling with anxiety, you really have to investigate the physical causes, but you probably should do it with a professional. It can be crippling.
Starting point is 00:00:37 At what point does the anxiety start to control you? So I think when it begins to... Every day you are making your brain better or you are making it worse. Stay with us to learn how you can change your brain for the better every day. Are you a doctor or mental health professional who's... tired of one-size-fits-all care? Are you passionate about helping people heal the root causes of their issues, but frustrated by the limitations of standard care? What if you didn't have to guess what's going on with your patients? Because you could see it. At Aeman clinics, we do psychiatry
Starting point is 00:01:24 differently. We use brain imaging to improve diagnoses and guide personalized treatment because mental health is really brain health. If you're ready to be a leader in the future of mental health care, we're looking for you. When you join Aeman Clinics, you don't just make a difference. You own it. With our employee stock option plan, you become an owner in the mission, a stake in every life we change. This is your invitation to be a healer, a brain health warrior, a pioneer. Join us. Let's end mental illness by creating a revolution in brain help together. So today's episode is about anxiety. We're actually going to do a two-part series on anxiety.
Starting point is 00:02:16 And before we start, I just, you are wearing a blouse with the same material, the same, at the day we met, which was January 1st, 2006, in Newport Beach. And it brought me such happiness today to see you in that blouse because it triggered one of the happiest memories my whole life. And I think our lunch was like two hours. And I'm like, okay, I think I'm in love. I think I'm hooked. But that's how the brain works. The brain works through association.
Starting point is 00:03:01 good, like my brain's still buzzing or bad. Right. So if you got assaulted and it was a park, gone to any park can all of a sudden make you feel anxious. Yeah. So I have two things to say about the sweater. The fact that you remember what I was wearing, the actual sweater and the type of material,
Starting point is 00:03:27 like it's amazing. Well, it's anchored. But the look on your face, when I walked out, like, very inappropriate. And everybody, everybody knew what you were thinking. I frequently say this.
Starting point is 00:03:44 Please don't read my mind. I have enough trouble reading it myself. Then don't make it so obvious. Don't make it so easy. But I wasn't thinking anything inappropriate. I mean, one were married. So most things,
Starting point is 00:04:01 are appropriate. But yeah, now, I didn't have one sexual thought. What I had was joy. But this is where couples often get into trouble. Because you think you know what I'm thinking. Oh, absolutely. And you're completely wrong. I'm usually right. But the brain works through association. It does. And I associate the sweater to joy and some pain. Right. Because, I mean, what's the biggest pain that I can actually think of losing you? Because we're so attached. So that's the anxiety.
Starting point is 00:04:51 And the anxiety is being in the future with fear. Yeah. And there's a lot of that going around right now. So I think it's important to sort of address that. There's a lot of societal anxiety at the moment with all the stuff happening in the world and a lot of doom scrolling. I had to catch myself. I normally don't do that. But I think it's we need discipline because it's easy to go into the future with fear.
Starting point is 00:05:19 And when I was doom scrolling, I found myself doing that and I had to stop myself. I literally had to go outside, ground myself, breathe, do some praying and then say, in this moment, I have everything I need. Now, I know there are many people in the world who don't. And that you can pray for. But if you can't do anything about it, it's like just grounding yourself and reminding yourself in this moment you have everything you need. In this moment, you're okay.
Starting point is 00:05:43 And it's very hard during a war. Right. Not to anchor yourself to the news. Right. Which is always about whatever is the worst thing that's happening, making you afraid, elevating the parts of your brain, like your amygdala, that make you then project out the worst things that will happen. Do you remember during the pandemic, I coined the term global amygdala hijacking?
Starting point is 00:06:18 It's because as soon as you watch the news, you know, it was the death tolls, it was the hospital. Oh, no, I had to ban that from our house. I was just so done. Yeah. I was so frustrated with it. And the funny thing is there are some people, like, if you talk to a lot of the moms that are my age, they loved it because they had their kids home. They didn't like the pandemic. But they loved those times of having their kids home.
Starting point is 00:06:44 And then now that their kids are gone, they're not so happy. You know, so it really depends on where you put your focus. And you can find something good even. when things are bad. And I think this series is so important. Yeah, I agree. So anxiety, we are talking about anxiety. We're going to kick off a two-part episode series on how to manage anxiety
Starting point is 00:07:14 and put your brain into a healing environment. Before we begin the anxiety series, though, we're going to start with a segment called Brain in the News, where we cover ongoing brain-related trending news. news. First segment is cannabis is not an effective treatment for common mental health conditions. Told you so. Contrary to popular belief. Told you so. So new research suggests that cannabis is not an effective treatment for common mental health conditions despite the global surge in patients using it for that purpose. So a review in
Starting point is 00:07:46 the Lancet has found that researchers concluded there was very little evidence for its efficacy in treating anxiety, anorexia, psychotic, disorders, post-traumatic stress, or opioid use. So, um, I told you so. Yeah. So when we first met, and I don't know how you forgot this. What? How do you know I forgot it?
Starting point is 00:08:09 You told me, you would never tell me I told you so. I did not say. It's my favorite thing to say. Why would I ever say that? It's my favorite thing to say. And I don't think you have wine when you said that. No, I would not say that. Or maybe you just really.
Starting point is 00:08:24 I didn't say it. I think you just heard that because you heard what you wanted to hear. It is. It is. I told you so. This is so clear with marijuana. So many people think it's good medicine. But it's not.
Starting point is 00:08:45 Right? As we have legalized marijuana across the United States for medicinal purposes and now for recreational purposes, has the incidence of anxiety and depression gone down? Absolutely not. No, in fact, we've been seeing a lot of issues, right? What is the percentage of people that can have a psychotic break? It's small, but it's real. But we have such an increasing number of people now using it with no restriction that... Right. Yeah. It's real. And it's a associated with a certain genetic profile, but most people never get their genetic profile taken. So, you know, here at Amund Clinics, we often see people who were fine, then started using marijuana, became psychotic, and we're not fine.
Starting point is 00:09:44 Now, maybe they had an underlying vulnerability, but I just think we have to be so cautious with. with it and not have the mindset that marijuana is innocuous because it is not. And a lot of people get hurt by it. Another new study out today, Gen Z, significantly less alcohol than baby boomers or millennials. Now, I think part of them had picked up on marijuana and mushrooms. Mushrooms. But I think that is a good trend. So anxiety is not merely a fleeting feeling of nervousness.
Starting point is 00:10:38 We all have that. It's a complex emotional state deeply rooted in the brain's intricate networks. On my computer today, I have 193,000 scans on 103,000 patients. And, you know, as I ask it about the anxiety circuits in the brain, it's very clear. The area called the amygdala, sort of our fear center, the hippocampus, our memory center. So when I saw you in that sweater, my hippocampus went to my nucleus accumbens. that's responsive to dopamine, and it just made me feel happy. But anxiety is also associated with low frontal lobe function.
Starting point is 00:11:24 So it's like the anxiety centers in the brain, amygdala hippocampus, there's something called the insular cortex and basal ganglia anterior cingulate. So these are structures deep in the brain, and they generate anxiety. But if your frontal lobes are not online, if you will, it can't break. the anxiety. So it's very important to have a healthy balanced brain. We brought up COVID earlier. COVID causes an inflammatory bomb to go off in the brain. And it often depends on the brain you brought into getting that infection to how much it can run over you. But the before and after scans, I saw those limbic or emotional structures just flamed.
Starting point is 00:12:18 See, you actually help to calm my anxiety. You make me feel grounded. And how do I do that? Because you're just my, you're my ground. You're like the yin to my yang. Because you always say the same thing. When I'm getting worked up about stuff, you're like, it's going to be okay. I'm like, no, it's not.
Starting point is 00:12:34 You're like, it's going to be okay. I'm like, is it? Really? You're just very young. Compared to death. Yeah. when I was in college, I took a death and dying class. It was the most important class in college.
Starting point is 00:12:50 Yeah, me too. I thought it was great. I loved it. And since then, I live with the end in mind. Yeah. And so I'm like, so how important is this compared to death? And if you believe, like we believe, death isn't the end. Right.
Starting point is 00:13:08 It's what gives me hope. It's what gives us hope. So we've been talking about the brain's anxiety system. And when your brain is inflamed because you eat processed food, because you have a low omega-3 fatty acid level, because of past trauma, because of certain infections like COVID, or something called panda syndromes, pediatric autoimmune
Starting point is 00:13:42 neurop psychiatric disorder associated with strap infections that all of a sudden you're anxious and you have no idea why. Or if your thyroid's not right, you know about that. I do.
Starting point is 00:13:57 It can cause depression, anxiety, but I've also seen even personally in our own family Lyme is like, or some of these infections are like a bomb going off in the brain. It's crazy. And it can, without you understanding why, just you're anxious for no reason. There is a reason.
Starting point is 00:14:15 But in your mind, there's no reason. Like, my life is good. Why do I just feel like this impending doom all the time? Well, when we scanned her, her brain, I mean, literally like one of the worst that I had seen and calming it down. Treating the lime. Treating the lime can be so helpful. Like, life-changing. Not just helpful, life-changing.
Starting point is 00:14:38 And she had been telling you that I'm not right, I'm not right. Crying for no reason. Yeah. Imaging was just critical to getting her. Because she could have done some of the things we'll talk about in the anxiety. Oh yeah. She's a perfect candidate for like, you know, self-medicating, but has too much knowledge. Using things like hypnosis or not believing every stupid thing you think.
Starting point is 00:15:06 Well, she was doing that. And it wasn't working. That's when you want to know. That's when you want to look deeper. Because if the software isn't working, there's something going on with the hardware, right? You're so smart. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:18 I love that. I love it. So it's both hardware and software. Right. So if you are struggling with something and it's just not getting better doing the simple thing, you should look. Because if you don't look, how do you know?
Starting point is 00:15:35 Right? It could be from a head injury. So I have this case of a guy who actually you know, Andrew, who good-looking, wealthy, purposeful, great business. And all of a sudden, he's having panic attacks. And nothing worked. They put him on Prozac. Now he has suicidal thoughts.
Starting point is 00:16:04 They put him on Xanax. He knows the consequences of that. He's like, no, I don't want to do that. And so he came to see me, and I'm like, when did the anxiety start? So this very important point, very important question, if you struggle with anxiety,
Starting point is 00:16:20 when did it start? And he goes, three months ago. I'm like, what happened three months ago? I don't know. I scanned him. Clearly had a concussion affecting the left front side of his brain. I'm like, when did you have a head injury?
Starting point is 00:16:39 Three months ago. I said, what happened? He was riding his bike in the mountains, he had a mountain bike. His front tire hit a rock, flew over the handlebars, landed on the left side of his skull. He had a helmet, broke the helmet, didn't lose consciousness. So he's like, I didn't lose consciousness. therefore I didn't have a head injury, but he clearly had.
Starting point is 00:17:10 Because you don't have to lose consciousness in order to have bad brain injury. You and I've had this discussion. Hearing that was critical to the anxiety going away. So Prozac, which would have been good for some people, was clearly bad for him because his anxiety, wasn't due to increased. Right. It was due to decreased.
Starting point is 00:17:39 It was due to decreased after you. So you have to know why. Sometimes it's the gas. Right. It's where your brain's working too hard. It's like your foot's on the gas pedal too much. And sometimes it's because the break isn't working. Right.
Starting point is 00:17:56 So it's really important. And how would you know if you didn't look? Right. So what about the? The basal ganglia, I know we've talked about this before, the basal ganglia, the large deep brain structures that sit near the limbic system, you've talked about that because it's important in coordinating thoughts and emotions and physical actions helps regulate movement. So what happens when that is in trouble? We are so grateful you are listening to this podcast. You know, virtually everything I've learned.
Starting point is 00:18:31 I've learned from our patients. I've learned from the brain imaging work we do at Amen clinics. We now have 11 clinics and have over 10,000 patient visits a month. We want to serve you. If you're struggling with anxiety, depression, concussion, ADD, temper, relationship issues, it could be your brain. And I always say, how do you know? unless you look. That's what we do, but we do way more than brain scans. We look at your brain
Starting point is 00:19:08 and then we give you a plan to make your brain, your mind, your relationships, even your deepest sense of meaning and purpose better. Go to amenclinics.com or call us. So let's talk about the circuitry in the brain with anxiety. And I often write, about the basal ganglia, big structures deep in your brain. And it has multiple parts, something called the caudate nucleus, which is where thoughts tend to get stuck. And we see, especially the right one in right-handed people, is overactive in people who have OCD.
Starting point is 00:19:57 So they get stuck, but it sort of then becomes, like a scratch on an old vinyl record, it's the thoughts begin to loop and they tend to go over and over. Another area called the putamen blower that is where habits come into. And I'm very interested in that because when I was little, I used to bite my fingernails. And I'm like, why do I bite my fingernails? because it became an anxious habit. There are other structures, though, really interesting structures,
Starting point is 00:20:38 insular cortex, which it makes you feel your body. And when you're anxious, when it works too hard, you begin to notice everything that's wrong, whether your heart's beating too fast or your muscles are tense, or you end up anxious diarrhea, I know, too much information. And then the amygdala, sort of the fear center in the brain and the hippocampus that then remembers thing good or bad. So all of the sort of limbic basal ganglia structures are involved.
Starting point is 00:21:17 And what we see with imaging is when people are anxious, they tend to work too hard. and if your frontal lobes are low, it can't break those systems. So always want to think about your brain as a system and is it too high, is it too low? How's the symphony working? Does that make sense? Perfect. And so the one person we talked about had too much anxiety, too much activity, from an infection where the other person had anxiety because of a head injury.
Starting point is 00:22:01 And the question always is, how do you know unless you look? Just like depression can have many causes. So can anxiety. And we talked about thyroid. But also, we talked about medications, things like that, but also trauma. We haven't hit on that too much. Past trauma can get stuck in the brain and cause anxiety. If it gets stuck, correct?
Starting point is 00:22:23 So so many people have that and they don't even know why they're anxious. Well, and when I first scanned you, so... You used me as an example a lot. It was a sweater that I really liked you. And I wanted to know about the state of your brain. See, everybody thinks that's so crazy. No, it's like that was the best line. I have to tell you, it was the most unique line I've ever heard that you wanted
Starting point is 00:22:57 to see my naked brain first. I always say that. You wanted to see my naked brain. I'm like, never heard that line before. Well, you know, ever since I started scanning people, I'm like, if you date any of my children, I want to look at your brain. And given at the time, I was single. But I really liked you a lot. I knew for myself, I would never marry. anyone until I could see their brain. And when we scanned you, and you had an A score of eight. Which at the time I didn't even know what that was, but I thought I was fine. Perfectly fine.
Starting point is 00:23:42 Fouled up insecure, neurotic, and emotional. Yes. And given the childhood trauma that you had been through, I wanted to see your emotional brain. I thought was very garden variety, American dysfunctional. normal family because I think that's what a lot of people do as their way to survive. So a lot of people listening who have been through a sort of craziness in their childhood. And you're like, yeah, but who hasn't? Sometimes we do that and minimize things to survive.
Starting point is 00:24:11 But what you don't always realize is that it gets stuck in your brain. So things you might not understand. So for example, we would go for a walk. And it would drive me crazy that you're not like noticing all these things around us. and I'm driving you crazy because you're like, oh my God, it's so stressful walking with you. You're always looking behind you. You're looking at cars. You're like, you're watching everything.
Starting point is 00:24:34 And you didn't even understand why. You know, because you don't understand that some of those things that happened to you as a child get stuck. So don't minimize it. I published a study last year on 7,500 patients with the adverse childhood experience questionnaire. So childhood trauma. the higher the number, the more activity in these limbic or emotional centers in the brain. And, you know, I had my own traumas. They weren't anything like yours.
Starting point is 00:25:10 They're different. And I'm not looking around. Like, I'm always waiting for someone to jump out. Right. And I was actually assaulted. Part of that. Part of that is the childhood trauma. part of that is females hold more anxiety in general.
Starting point is 00:25:28 I mean, how often do you walk to your car thinking I might get raped today? To all the men out there, how often do you have that thought? As a female, you're walking to your car at night and you, that thought crosses your mind a lot. I have to pay attention. I have to see who's around me. So to be fair, we have more anxiety because of that. have a larger limbic brain. Right.
Starting point is 00:25:55 Because it's also involved in bonding. Right. And there's not one society on the face of the earth where men are primary caretakers for children. Right. But women are. And so our brains are different. Right. And so for the women out there, well, not just the women.
Starting point is 00:26:13 I mean, men too, but for the women out there, I'm talking from personal experience, if you have grown up in an environment where you were either assaulted, I was assaulted at 15. walking to high school and drug down an alley, or you've had situations happen in your house or whatever it is, those get stuck. And so, yeah, when I go for a walk, I am always ready to fight. I'm just like, eyes in the back of my head, always paying attention, body language is not friendly. And you were like, this is stressful. And I didn't even understand it until I really, I mean, I was a neurosurgical ICU, so I understand the brain. But from more of a medical, your bleeding out perspective,
Starting point is 00:26:51 not from an emotional behavioral perspective. Yes, it was stressful. Because I'm going that is just like me. To be relaxed and be with my sweetheart and she's paranoid. Oh, absolutely. And when you come to Amen clinics,
Starting point is 00:27:11 we actually test your brain. We do a test called Total Brain where we see how good you are, recognizing faces. Oh, we're doing this again. And you're very good at recognizing. And I think it's the dumbest game. Wait, wait, wait. Let me finish before you judge. Let me finish before you judge. And then, so how good are you recognizing faces and do you recognize positive or happy faces faster the negative faces? Now, me, I recognize positive. This is faster.
Starting point is 00:27:50 Right. And you are paranoid. I'm not paranoid. I'm prepared. I am prepared. I am not paranoid. So I think it is the dumbest game. And yes,
Starting point is 00:28:00 mine was very much I noticed all the negative faces. And I got so mad at you. I'm like, why would you want me to notice the guy on the corner smiling at me saying hello instead of the guy that's going to jump at? We developed a game to help people train positivity. And as soon as you started playing the game. I was like, this is stupid. I don't.
Starting point is 00:28:18 I want to notice the guy who's going to jump me. I'm not doing that. And now I have a dog who's just like me and I feel safer. Yeah, I feel safe. They're having empathy for me, actually. All right. Are you saying I increase your anxiety? Yes.
Starting point is 00:28:40 I'm just, actually. But let us be very clear. Some anxiety is absolutely essential. people who have low levels of anxiety direly from accidents and preventable illnesses. So there's a study from Stanford where in 1921 they looked at 1,548 10-year-old children. And then they followed them for 90 years looking at what goes with health success and longevity. And the only thing that went along with longevity was whether or not you were conscientious, whether or not if you said you were going to show up, you show up on time consistently,
Starting point is 00:29:31 predictably. So you need some anxiety that don't worry, be happy people. So I always wanted to be one of those because I have an older brother who's sort of the don't worry, be happy. It's like, oh, I have to leave work at three and I'm going to go play. off. And I sort of wanted to be like him until I realized they die early from accidents and preventable illnesses. And so when my patients go, I don't want to be anxious anymore. That's like, why don't we take it so zero to 100 from 80 where you are today down to 15? Right. So I want you to have some anxiety.
Starting point is 00:30:14 To keep you on track. like now, there are lines at the airport because of the government shutdown. And it's like, oh, I have to be there three hours early. Otherwise, you might not make your flight. There's no way I'm traveling right now. I would be afraid to travel right now. I'm not afraid to travel. I know.
Starting point is 00:30:31 You're not afraid of much. I'm just going to be prepared. Yeah. There's just no way. So at what point does the anxiety start to control you? So I think when it begins to interfere with your life, when you think it's interfering with your life, if it's interfering with your relationships,
Starting point is 00:30:50 affecting work, affecting your productivity, your happiness. Okay, so let's talk to the audience for those people out there who are anxious. Like you mentioned earlier, I think it's really important. Ask yourself, when did my anxiety begin? Like, what was the trigger?
Starting point is 00:31:06 What was the shift? I know. I was assaulted when I was a kid. That's a trigger for me when I go for a walk. So what was the trigger? When did it happen? How long have you been experiencing it? Well, during our first lunch with the famous sweater, you told me that you were a frequent flyer in the hospital.
Starting point is 00:31:27 And you had upper and lower GIs. At four years old. At four years old. And I asked, I said, what happened at four years old? And I went, oh, my God, you're shrinking me. Don't shrink me. This is why I didn't want a day to shrink. Worry, right?
Starting point is 00:31:42 You almost canceled your first day with me. Nothing happened when I was four. And then you kept asking questions because that's what you do and you get people to talk. And I just looked at you and I'm like, you sure nothing happened at four? And then what did you say? Well, my uncle was murdered. And you did the eyebrow thing like you're doing now. I remember the day the police were in my house, everyone was screaming.
Starting point is 00:32:11 He was murdered in a drug deal that went wrong. Yeah. And then my other uncle tried to commit suicide with an intentional overdose as a result of that whole thing. It was very crazy. Yeah. Yet it didn't have anything to do with the upward. Because I'm a hard-charging ICU nurse, and I don't believe in that. And your gut has 30 feet of smooth muscle.
Starting point is 00:32:39 And what happens? I'm joking. I do believe in that now, but I didn't. What happens when your? gut, what happens to muscle when you get stressed? I mean, people know. You get diarrhea, you throw up, all sorts of bad things happen. You know, it is, it really is an emotional center in your body. It's a reflection of what's happening. And we know that now. I mean, I was in denial completely.
Starting point is 00:33:02 So I do this exercise a lot with my patients. It's a bridging exercise. So if they have panic attacks or they're really anxious, often I'll put them in a hypnotic trance or just get them to close their eyes and go, when's the first time you had that thought or that feeling? Right. And it'll go back to often traumas. Don't you think, though, you have to do that a few times. Don't you find that most people have a hard time recalling the first time it takes a minute for them to get there? Sometimes.
Starting point is 00:33:36 Sometimes not at all. Oh, interesting. I had Patrick, who was 16, and he had panic attacks. and I got him into sort of a relaxed state, and I'm like, when you're having a panic attack, what are you thinking and what are you feeling? And he's like, I can't breathe. I'm going to die. Okay.
Starting point is 00:34:02 Now in your mind, imagine yourself getting younger and smaller, smaller and younger. When's the very first time in your life, you couldn't breathe and you thought, you were going to die. Boom, four years old. Had a piece of steak stuck in his throat. And someone had to do a heimlich maneuver. He'd turned blow. It was traumatic. And his anxiety dissipated after that. So often it's just making the connection so you can then do the work. Right. Yeah. I think it's really important. Yeah. So if you can, try to notice when it began. Now, sometimes there's nothing. Right. Because your thyroid works too high. Right. And you know that, right? As somebody with thyroid cancer, your chemotherapy is you take high doses of thyroid. Right. But you have to be careful because, like, we just got my test back and it's way too high. And so, and I notice, like, I'm wired, tired, you know, that's how I know. Which can make you. Absolutely. anxious and it's not psychological.
Starting point is 00:35:16 No. You don't sleep at night, hot all the time. And your depression... Besides menopause. Actually first started when they took away all your thyroid, right? Yep. Back then they used to treat thyroid cancer by taking, literally, taking your thyroid out and then making you wait a couple months before they gave you...
Starting point is 00:35:37 Taking your thyroid out, killing it with radiation. No, no, no. They didn't give you the radiation until they waited a couple of... couple months until there was no thyroid in your body. Then they gave you the radiation. And so they don't do that anymore. It's very different now. There's a new way they can do it that they can interrupt whatever thyroid's in your system and it doesn't, they don't have to do that. It was miserable back then. Anybody who had to go through thyroid cancer treatments. So they took out your thyroid. Yes. So you had no thyroid at all. And then they waited a couple months and then they gave you
Starting point is 00:36:06 thyroid treatment. Well, no one explained your body without thyroid isn't going to kill you. It's going to make you wish you were dead. And that's exactly how I felt. And no one really prepared me for that. So I thought I was just depressed. So the treatment for that isn't pros out. Well, and I was depressed because, you know, I'm a 23-year-old person who had to drop out of school, quit my job, had life, had life by the tail who that came to a screeching halt. So there's lots of psychosocial things going on when you go through something like that that cannot be underestimated for anyone who is going through stuff like that. However, there's the biology that has to be addressed. So you need a really good doctor who's addressing that biology for you before they just put you on something like Prozac or whatever else
Starting point is 00:36:52 that almost ruins your life. If it's the right medication for you, it's life-changing. If it's the wrong medication for you, it's a disaster. Yeah. Another question, do you notice anxiety spikes after caffeine or sugar. And for some people, the answer is absolutely yes. For other people, they can have caffeine at night and they go to sleep. So wouldn't you say that part of that has to do if you have a busy brain, it could make you more anxious. If you have a really sleepy brain, it can make you feel temporarily good.
Starting point is 00:37:25 Yes. And sugar, it's not actually when you eat the sugar. It's like 40 minutes later after your pancreas is seen it and released insulin. and then it drops. In many people, it drops too low, and then they're anxious, they're irritable. They make bad decisions. A recent study we've talked about before
Starting point is 00:37:50 who they gave mice, aspiratame, made them really anxious. So aspiratam's in 5,000 products. Right. And made the mice really anxious. And then the researchers decided to give them volume, And I'm like, that's an interesting design. It calm them down, right?
Starting point is 00:38:10 I mean, that's what benzos do, volumes of benzo. No, we're not going to give people benzos to manage their Diet Coke. Like, that's ridiculous. But the scary thing is their babies were anxious. Yeah. Their grand babies. So somehow epigenetically changed something. Aspartame is now on 5,000 products.
Starting point is 00:38:37 And, you know, if you just think of diet soda or sugar-free gum. I think we know now it's a neurotoxin. Well, if you're anxious for no reason, kill the diet soda. Yeah, it's also an excitotoxin. So, yeah, lots of neurosurgeons really don't like it. And that's just one of, you know, dozens or even hundreds of chemicals in our food. Plus, it's really bad for your gut, because it affects your microbiome. And if you're affecting your microbiome negatively, you are affecting your mood and anxiety.
Starting point is 00:39:12 And actually sucralose. There's a study that it decreased the healthy gut bacteria by almost half. Yeah. So I think it's really important if you are struggling with anxiety, you really have to investigate the physical causes, but you probably should do it with a professional. because it's just an, it's, it can be crippling. So investigating it with a professional is life changing in most cases because these examples we gave you of like even the person in our own family, just crying every day, even though things are great and not understanding and feeling crippled like they can't
Starting point is 00:39:48 leave their house. And then treating one thing, treating the Lyme, completely life change it. So, but how would you know? You have to, you have to really work with someone who can tell you these things. things. And if you try and it doesn't work, then you should think about coming to one of the clinics. Don't give up. Because, you know, how do you know unless you look? And I think that's so important. There are days when I need to be at my best, whether it's back-to-back clinic sessions, long writing days, or just keeping up with life. That's when I take peak energy from Brain MD. It gives me clean, steady energy,
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Starting point is 00:41:09 People who struggle with anxiety when you find the cause and you get on the right treatment, you can just be so much about it.

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