Chapo Trap House - 536 - In The Bunker (6/28/21)

Episode Date: June 29, 2021

It’s a jumbo sized Chapo today, starting with a return of our smash hit segment “Animal Facts” to start off with 20 min of levity and speculation on which of Nature’s magnificent creatures are conduits to the spiritual and/or extraterrestrial world. Then, after one of Will’s maybe sweatiest ever transitions, we move on to discussing the tragic Miami condo collapse and the narrowing aperture of improvement in American life. Finally, we read from two accounts of the last days of the Trump Administration, confirming a lot of what we suspected, and adding a few more juicy details of what Trump, Rudy and the gang were actually up to on Jan. 6. Also there’s a little bonus segment on “Woke Capitalism” and the future of “Trumpism” as a political project at the end.

Alright, gang, warm-up sesh. Let's get the rift juices flowing. I'm gonna spit 10 interesting animal facts at you. And let's just get our minds just a little mental calisthenics based on our friends in the animal kingdom. These are called from 75 animal facts that will change the way you view the animal kingdom at bestlifeonline.com. Alright, first animal facts. So let me know if you've already heard this fact and just your general thoughts. Koala fingerprints are so close to humans that they could taint crime scenes. What are they getting away with? I mean, that's true. We don't know how many crimes they've committed. I mean, are people getting away with murders in Australia just because there's been a bunch

of koalas like near the scene of the crime? They're like, I'll tell you what, I wish we could narrow it down, but it seems like the victim was stabbed by 11 individuals at the same time. I mean, Australia seems like one of those countries where it's like getting a murder charge is like a traffic ticket in America, where it's like, no, just contest it. Chances are no one's gonna show up and you can just kill that guy. I mean, and also how many homicides in Australia are just someone who stepped on a spider that was so venomous that it kills you instantly? Because there's a lot of that shit down there. It is funny that they decided to keep living there. Like whoever sent them there died a long time ago,

and it's like, well, you could probably go back somewhere else. You don't have to live in this place. It was literally like a punishment for you. And they're like, no, no, we're gonna keep this going. Sure. I mean, like the wildfires are getting insane, and it's like 130 degrees in the summer. But like, I mean, it's got to be better than England. I don't know. I mean, there's way, way fewer animals that can kill you in England. Yeah, they like they destroyed all of them. Yeah, there's there's so few that they're like, they have to like lie about badgers being dangerous. Yeah, they're crazy. They're crazed beasts. We have to kill all of them. Why are they so obsessed with killing badgers over there? There's literally

like you have to fight like an anti badger lobby. It's like they have a pack and then like the a pack for killing badgers. So they're like, we have wolves in this country. That's very true. Cannot stop trying to kill wolves. They're like, can we maybe increase the number of wolves I get to murder in a year, please? Just get back to this amazing koala fact, though. I mean, would there be a way to engineer like the perfect murder, but one involving koalas? Is there a way you use koalas to like to engineer like a perfect murder? If you could somehow combine a koala and an icicle knife, you would indeed have the absolute perfect murder.

All right. Next amazing animal fact, the world's oldest known brigade of domesticated dog dates back to 329 BC. I see. I would have thought it would have been a little like I thought it would have been earlier than that. Yeah, I mean, they probably were there probably were ones earlier. It's just like if a dog that like, okay, if someone domesticated a dog like 10,000 years BC, the only things left from 10,000 years BC are like stuff they made in China, like vases and shit. I saw it in some museum in Chicago or Minneapolis actually. And you wouldn't like people weren't yet like sentimental about pets probably. So you would maybe like write down like, here's how you like trick a dog into fucking a woman

or whatever. And it's like, okay, if you have like a piece of paper over 12,000 years, it's probably not going to last. And I mean, if you have a dead dog, like most people like everyone's had it with they've had a few dead dogs in the place they've lived. They've lived there long enough. It's just a syndicate, you know, that gets pulled away. But we probably did domesticate them like a long time ago. Yeah, I thought like, you know, human, human evolution and dog evolution are like very closely intertwined. So what I thought like basically dogs have been pseudo domesticated since like, you know, early like neolithic times since like the wolves started getting closer and closer to the fire and

human settlements, et cetera, et cetera, the ones that chose to stay and receive scraps ate more regularly than the ones who hunted and the ones who stayed in a couple, you know, not evolutionary speaking, like a very, very short amount of time became different than wolves. Can you guess though what the oldest species of a domesticated dog is according to the Guinness Book of World Records? It's a Labradoodle. No, it is it is an Anatolian shepherd. And no, it is actually a dog that I know Felix you're a fan of. It is the Saluki. Oh, those are sick. Actually, the Saluki is revered in ancient Egypt and kept as a royal pets being mummified

after death. Also, no, it's a Saluki. It's a very, very like kind of a thin looking sort of look. They look like and culture. They're like smaller than borzoids, but I have like a similar look where they're very sharp. I was dating I was dating a girl once who is like, she's like, like pretty like tall and thin and culture and we're tight. Yeah, I was dating and culture met you met on the set of real time. Yeah, yeah, I was I was the guy that passes Bill a joint that we were like talking about like what we would be if we were animals. I was like trying to compliment her. And I was like, we'd be like a borzoic because you're very like striking and beautiful. And she was like, what the fuck? What the

fuck is this type of dog? She like hated it. She was like nothing like that. Fuck you. I even love being compared to dogs. I know that for a fact. She compared me to like a gorilla or a bear. I think those are beautiful animals. It's just calling a woman a dog has certain kind of taste. She's a dog, you know, even if you think it's a beautiful dog, gorgeous. He's potbelly pig in the village. I don't understand. I think we like we're actually talking about like what type of dog we would be. And it's like, it made I thought I was being complimentary, but whatever. Okay. Well, I mean, that's that's a poison. This is one of these tests that women give you, you know, and they ask you on the first

day if I could be if you if I were a type of dog, what kind of dog you think I would be? That's a trick question. Don't answer it. If you are a woman ages, you know, 24 to 75, and you understand that the board is always a beautiful dog, please contact me at Bertovo on Twitter. It does it does it does say also that there are carvings found in Sumer in present day Southern Iraq, which represents a dog closely resembling the Saluki, which date back to 7000 BC. Okay, so there you go. There you go. I mean, that's like, okay, the thing where you like meet a wolf, there is a sense of like, yeah, no, we've been doing this forever. Yeah, like, yeah. I mean, I think I think we did a done of stupid bullshit.

Like we probably made labradoodles like 20,000 years ago. There's just like no documentation that survived. No one carved it into stone. Yeah, I mean, yeah, no one no one like knew how to write shit that like if you if you could write shit down, you were like, you were like a screenwriter, like you made the equivalent of like 300,000 like stones that would be exchanged for grains a year and like it's true you got to not fucking have to farm. It was yeah. And it's like, it's like and Chaucer, we're just going to say Chaucer was like the red fox of writing where it's like oh, why hasn't anyone ever like done it like this? This is a cool way to do it where people can like understand Felix. I mean, once again,

I don't know if it's by accident or not, but Chaucer was the red fox of writing because he was the first one to put that I'm aware of who put who put body, body-ness in writing. Yeah, he was all about getting sloppy top literary style. Yeah, that wife of Bath Red Game is crazy. Thou must washeth thine ass. Yeah, he like he made writing in a way where like more people could understand it and more people started learning how to read inspired by Chaucer. But before that, you know, you could really like you have to go to school to be able to write because you have to mostly like do it on tablets and then even after that like you have to be really good at scrolls. And obviously the printing press helped but

Chaucer really like, you know, put it into high gear. It's like how there was television for a while before there was Red Fox and there were records. There was someone had to like take to the form. I believe Chaucer predated the printing press. We invented printing presses 20,000 years ago. He had a secret one. Okay. He found the one from Atlantis. To be sure though, I mean, if I was in the ancient Sumerian commune, my job, cuneiform guy. Yeah, I would write pornographic stories in cuneiform. I would write elite daily articles in cuneiform. These are the seven habits that the fire priests have that you want to have in your job is the guy who rakes the ground hoping not to starve to death.

All right. This next animal fact is very similar to the last one I just shared with you. The oldest evidence of domesticated cats dates back 9,500 years. And now this one is more surprising to me because I think human evolution and dog evolution has been very entwined and human evolution has been going a lot longer than human civilization has. And I think human civilization is around when people started having domesticated cats because with civilization you have division of labor and a pet doesn't necessarily need to provide a utility to your survival in order for you to feed it and invest time in it. I mean, obviously cats have a primary function which is pest control. But 9,500 years ago, that's a long time for the

people who've had cats. And I wonder though, how did cat species become cats? Because with dogs, it's easy to understand as I just laid out how that happened. But like cats, I mean, were there just smaller species of wild cats that did the same thing that dogs did and just sort of habituated themselves to humans? But the other interesting thing about domesticated cats is that I don't think that they're actually technically domesticated in that an adult house cat does not have a juvenile state of development, which even all adult domesticated dogs do. Meaning, as I've said before, I think that if Marty had another 60 pounds or so, he would kill me. He would definitely kill me.

Absolutely. You'd be dead. They'd kill your ass. Have you ever heard that like pop science thing that like, I think probably isn't true because like, how would you know this? But it's like, one of the hypotheses is that like cats, their meow is mimicking like how baby primates would sound like what like, yeah, I mean, I don't know. I mean, none of that's, yeah, no, it's, I mean, it could be true. It sounds real. I don't know.

Sounds like one of those things. Why not believe it? Yeah. You know what? It doesn't make a difference. Just choose to believe it. It does not matter at all. So it's true. And the thinking is that they like, they did that because it was like, okay, if we're like, if we like, endear ourselves to people, it's, we have shelter and food. But the cat, yeah, the cat thing is interesting for that reason, because there is like, there's something

beyond pest control. And I was thinking about primates and like chimps and orangutans and all sorts of apes can develop affinities for other animals that we've seen. Like we've seen those gibbons who get fascinated by tapers and stuff like that. And maybe that's, maybe that's just a primate quality that we have. I mean, some animals do have appreciation for other animals, but no one's quite as curious as the primates are. And maybe that's just a unique part of our, our family's identity. I also think there's, the cats might be fascinated by us and our love of murder. And they might find that sort of like, Hey, these guys like murdering things too. Let's hang out and watch

the murder things and we can murder things together. There's a reverse of this, you know, all those sables that I watch, yeah, all the stable accounts, they, sables are incredibly smart. I didn't know that they're very, they can remember how to do tasks, like opening, using, jumping on a door handle to like open a door. They can remember that for years. Like velociraptors. Yeah, they're super clever. They like, they need enrichment or they go crazy, kind of very similar to primates. Like they need puzzles and shit. Super intelligent. One of the sables

I follow, his mom has cats and she mostly keeps them away because Uma, the sable loves the cats. She adores them. She's obsessed with them. And I think it's because they have like similar movement patterns and the same thing of being like predators. The cats fucking hate Uma. Poor Uma loves them, but the cats are like, I hate you. Fuck off. Poor girl. Another, another sort of like added layer here. The sables most, you know, the most animosity from sable to another animal has got to be dogs. Sables, I would imagine, hate dogs because dogs are the only way you can hunt sables in the wild. Well, this is an interesting nature versus nurture thing. Like a lot of animals do have

like received memories or genetics or whatever of hating other animals. But Uma, who, you know, lived the first like two months, two or three months of her life on a fur farm outside of the wild. And then was, what these people do is they buy sables from fur farms and then plan to release in the wild, but they can't always go back because they'll lose their fear of people or they have an injury or something. And so they, they keep them as pets. She also really loves the dogs. And the dogs like the dog who you'd figure would like freak out at her, like plays really gently with her. It's really, it's really amazing. I mean, it does show, I'm always interested in like what depth and what awareness

of the world animals have because, you know, we've all had animals communicate with us, whether we choose to see it that way or not. And there's, you know, with more advanced animals, there's that video I love of the gorilla who's hugging the ranger who's protecting his habits or her habitat from poachers, like seemingly aware of what's going on a little bit. And these animals, even though their instinct would tell them, like the sables your enemy or the dogs your enemy, because they're raised in this environment where there's not really like competition for food or to eat each other or whatever, they get along and the dog even like meters his behavior. So it's not to like kill the sable and the

sable doesn't, the sables are really sharp and fast. She doesn't try to like rip his throat out. And that there's more, my point is that I think animals have more awareness of their, the realities of their world and their immediate surroundings and kind of who they are than we give them credit for a lot of the time. All right. Content warning, traumatic material for Felix here. Content warning for the Werner Herzog documentary Happy People about fur trappers and the Siberian tiger. Yeah, there is a scene where a dog hunts and kills a sable. So avoid that movie, Felix. All right. No, no, I love his films, but yeah, no, not watching that.

All right. I know too much about him now. Two more quick animal facts and then let's get into the news of the week. Puffins use twigs to scratch their bodies. So a little bit of like interesting tool use by an animal that you wouldn't necessarily, you know, doesn't have a digits of any kind, but it uses a bird. It just takes the twigs and its beak and it scratches itself like, you know, like sometimes we all need to do. Like Al Bundy. Birds are, birds are great. Like, The puffin is one of my favorite birds. When I was a kid, I would always go to the Central Park Zoo and in the Penguin house, I would always love to see the puffins. I think they're

very cool. I love the contrast between the black and white body. I like their, the sort of whiskers they have and I love the contrast in their black and white tuxedo body and their beautiful orange and yellow beaks. They're taste good too. I've actually, really? Have you really? Yeah, I have a little puff in the slider I had one time. Where? Where Iceland? Oh, of course. I mean, that's the cool thing about birds is like some of them can like master tool usage and like have like literally an ability to communicate with humans and like understand human emotions in a way that like parents and stuff do. And then some are like, don't remember something that happened to them a minute ago. And there's like not

a lot of like physical difference between those two. It's like you just have to talk to them to see if they're the smart bird or the dumb bird. I've got a, oh wait, I have one more thing on domesticated cats. I'd like to suggest an explanation for their domestication using occult knowledge instead of, you know, standard mainstream science. I think cats habituated themselves to people because cats serves a repository for the souls of the dead. And I think that's how they acclimated themselves to human beings is because each of them contain a part of the soul of a dead person or many souls of several dead people. That's my belief about cats. Like if you ever find a cat just like in the corner of your house just staring

at a wall or like looking up at something that isn't there, it's probably communicating with the dead. Your house is probably haunted. I'll accept that. I think that's like, that's just as good an explanation as any. Okay. Last animal fact. This is a funny one. Bottle nose dolphins are even more right-handed than humans. How does that work, you say? It says most humans about 70 to 90% are right-handed. About 5 to 30% it's estimated are left-handed. And the same holds true for bottled nose and all of dolphins. In fact, the savvy swimmers are even more right-handed than we are. A team by the Florida Dolphin Communication Project, is that a John Lilly offsuit? I don't know. Offsuit. The Florida Dolphin Communication

Project took a look at the feeding behavior of bottled nose dolphins and found that the animals were turning to their left side 99.44% of the time, which actually suggests a right side bias according to IFL science. It places the dolphins right side and right eye close to the ocean floor as it hunts. So, dolphins once again superior to us in every respect. We'd only get rid of these left-handed people that are dragging down our species. Maybe we could solve some of our problems. This is an endorsement of everything dolphins do and how they behave. Everything. This is an endorsement of the life and career of John Lilly, one of the finest scientists of the 20th century. He was the only guy to

really try to hold dolphins accountable by torturing them. He was trying to save us. He was trying to get the dolphins to talk to the aliens, which we need someone to have that conversation. The dolphins seem like a perfectly good candidate, better than any of us. I get that job to octopus. The octopuses don't live long enough is the thing. They're smart, but they live like a year. They don't have enough time to do anything with it. They just kind of float around and then explode. That's a pretty fucked up life to be like highly intelligent. And then it's like, all right, it's been a few weeks, time to blow up. That sucks.

Well, Felix, you said John Lilly was the first one working to hold dolphins accountable. It's actually quite the opposite of true. He would enable his dolphins in his sort of a Caribbean. He had to hit a lab in the Caribbean. It was like a James Bond villain base where the entire first floor was flooded. So dolphins and humans could co-mingle and interact. And he would enable the me too behavior of these dolphins. And I have an good authority from an author I used to work with that John Lilly would, and again, this is all funded by the CIA, John Lilly would arrange assignations between his dolphins and well-known Hollywood celebrities, actresses. So I think hell of a blind item.

The reason dolphins need accountability, actually, is not a good guy. I'm reading about octopus lifespans. The longest living one lives five years. That's insane. That sucks. But you know what? I mean, everything's a matter of perspective. Exactly. It feels longer for them, especially since they don't have the internet. They're just floating around in water. That probably stretches out. That's not true. Sometimes they get in jars. Yeah. They get jarred up. They change their color. They pretend to be a rock. They're

loving it. They're having a great time. Yeah. No, they're having a good time. But it's like there's a lot of empty time that they could just fill. So who knows how long that five years feels. If you're an octopus. If you're an adult and you can apply for social security on your third birthday. Very generous of them though. So that was five. I mean, we went long on this one. I was going to do ten, but there's just too much to talk about when it comes to our, the soul.

So the animal kingdom is truly wonderful. Thank God we're getting rid of it. It's really too annoying having all these animals to remember. All right. I think the longest cold open we've ever done on the show, but let's, let's start it off. It's Monday. It's Chapo. Let's go. It's me, Matt and Felix. Yeah. We're excited this week. We, you know, the Dexter reboot is, it's looming upon us. Well, I hate to use this as a segue, but speaking of Dexter, horrible building collapse in Miami. The hell of a move there. Oh my God.

Put sick Dexter on the owners of that condo, I would say. Yeah. The American Grenfell happened in Miami. Yeah. No, it's, it's, it's, it's horrible. Probably 150 people dead. Not much to say about this one other than, you know, if you have thoughts and prayers, if you believe in such a thing for the survivors, or actually there are no survivors, but for the families and the people working to in the rescue ability, in the rescue effort, rather, just one thing from the story though that stuck out in me in the New York Times is it said that, well, Floridians and viewers around the world were stunned by the suddenness of the collapse.

There were warnings as early as 2018 of major structural damage that needed to be, needed to be addressed according to emails between a contractor and the condo's board. In those emails, which the city of Surfside has begun releasing, the engineer urged the board to repair crack columns and crumbling concrete and estimated it would cost about $9 million. As of, as of the collapse on Thursday, that work had not been done, but the board had taken out a loan of about $12 million to do the work. And obviously, like on this regard, like, I mean, morality aside here, I mean, like this does seem to be a sort of a microcosm of, you know, like the way our economy and country works. Like we've talked about this

before, like the morality or the intentional incompetence or malice of the people and the condos who didn't do the work aside, just probably because, you know, they wanted to save money or they couldn't make a profit if they did it. I mean, the input of individual human actors, you can take it out of the equation. But like in all circumstances, if there is a choice to be made between spending money that's necessary to ensure the health, life, and safety of human beings and not doing that and making money, then you know which one is going to win out. And like I said, like this is not a moral condemnation of the people involved, although you can certainly make with that as well if you like. I'm just thinking

more around like the sort of algorithmic inputs of the way our society and economy functions make it necessary for things like allowing the cracked foundation of a condo to continue and eventually collapse in the middle of the night and kill probably 150 people. Yeah, there's no other input. I mean, the system literally does not have a pricing mechanism for like human life, for example. And so it doesn't get brought into the equation. And there's no coordinated human organization to push for that. And so it's going to just keep happening. I mean, it's pretty much endemic among all, just in terms of housing, everything that's been put up in like the last 30 years are fucking Lego houses.

Yeah, they're not meant to last. They're not meant to last because it costs money. Like you can sell out a condo by putting it together with like the fucking spun sugar and beetroot that the fucking dosers used in the Fraggle Rock and make more money than if you used durable materials. And that's the only thing that matters. And so that is what you will decide decide as though you made it you had any choice in the matter to do. And I think that part of the reason everyone's freaking out and our rich people are turning into just these psychopaths is because they're trying to make sense of a world where they're at the top of it. And yet they still don't get to make any choices. Nobody gets to make any

decisions. The decisions are all made by the algorithm. And then we just live with them. And our culture is organized around justifying the results of them, like the fucking volcano God. And we have to explain why it's okay that it like burned down a village. Yeah. And I think, I think we're going to see a lot of this happen over the rest of our lifetimes. Because, I mean, a city like Miami that had like a huge construction boom in the 80s. It still is. They have a huge construction boom going on right now. Yeah. And I mean, the one in the 80s, a lot of that was like cocaine money laundering.

A lot of it was related just to the rise of the credit, a more credit based economy of the 80s that we have now. And like, it sort of coincides with, you know, how we always talk about like the futility of being the mayor of a large American city, because it's like on autopilot, you just have to keep making these shitty buildings. So like, there's some sort of economic function. It doesn't really matter if they're bad or are going to collapse in 40 years or not, or even collapse in 10 years. It just how it's going to keep going. And I think, unfortunately, with this constantly happening, I think there's a real possibility we have to look at that, you know, it'll be like how people talk about how Sandy Hook

was a definitive moment for gun control. It'll just be like another thing that people accept about American life. Yeah. I mean, and look, when I say like Morale de Assad, I don't mean to exonerate the people who own this condo, this condominium and corporation in South Florida, because you know, real estate developers in South Florida, I mean, come on, take, take, you can read into that quite a lot. But I mean, the other thing I'll say is like, in terms of short term thinking, and like in part of all of this, how insane is it that anyone is building anything in Miami right now, other than a fucking giant, no one's thinking about this?

I mean, they're still, they're buying, they're building like a huge fucking like skyscraper, like, you know, glittering gigantic residential towers right on the fucking beach in Miami right now. And forget sea level rise, just the, just the, the rising water table is literally eating the foundations of these how these buildings like fucking termites, they're already be, they're all, all of them are having their essential integrity being breached by the fact that the water is just everywhere, the salt water and the salt air is everywhere. And the, the construction materials are cheaper than they've ever been and more slapdash.

Yeah. I mean, like to that end, I guess like, just, just wrap this up by saying like, it's just in, in every respect, like in every, whether it's, whether it's buildings or politics or like anything in our culture, we seem sort of categorically unable to ever make the choice to spend a lot of money now to save even more money 10 or 20 years down the line. It is always, always about quarter by quarter, are you turning an ever increasing rate of profit? Are you continuing to make money? They're like, there's no, I mean, imagine, think about what's going to cause them and

like civil or criminal action for not spending that $9 million to fix this fucking condo. Well, there's always, there's always in capitalism that, that maximalist drive towards the short term that defines it, that, that, but it's always usually it's, it's balanced by, you know, the fact that these institutions are being operated by humans and in, in the context of a human's social structure. And it is those human institutions and that human investment in them that militates against that and says, Hey, maybe we pull some aside for a rainy day. Maybe we address this thing, even though it's not profitable in the, in the near term.

But that, that element truly is a luxury that we sort of got used to. But once you reach a point of like a crisis of profitability, which has been going on in capitalism for the last 40 years and has only gotten worse in the last 20, you can't afford it. Yeah. And if you're, if you're in them, if you're in them, these machines, which are not accountable to any like democratic intervention, because all of those mechanisms have rotted away. The only way to keep the lights on is to think in the most short term way possible.

And so there, there, unless you actually, you know, change the algorithm and that will require human intervention, then all you will get is accelerating short termism until you are doing things that will, that not just are going to cause a disaster, like in the imagined future, you know, are going to destroy things like a year from now, but you still have to do them because they're the only way to keep the system going as it's currently exists. I mean, our healthcare system is a perfect example of this. I mean, we know that it costs more for it got like the American taxpayer and like this

general deficit to our society at large, it costs way more money than the trillions it would cost to have a public health insurance system or electricity and transportation infrastructure. That's going to take trillions of dollars so that they can be functional within the next 10 or 20 years. And it's just, it's not going to get done. I just, I don't see anything on the horizon for the reasons that we've discussed. So I think we're just going to like, I don't know, we have to, I'm not saying resign ourselves to it, but just be aware that like the bill is coming due on the last like 30, 40 years

of this kind of like slapdash, quick profit thinking on, on the things like that we take for granted about having a roof over our heads or like electricity, like look what happened in Texas with that cold snap, having heat, just having roads or the ability to use like a rail system to move large amounts of people in and out of cities where they have to work. I mean, it's just go down the list here. It's just like, for these things to be viable and other like 10, 20, 30 years is going to take trillions and trillions of dollars in public money being spent and invested to upgrade them and make them safe and more efficient.

And it's just, I mean, I don't know. I mean, like I know there's this big infrastructure, the big infrastructure, the bipartisan infrastructure bill they're working on now, I hope it will do something to ameliorate the coming bridge tunnel and building collapses that are seem to be populating our future. Yeah. And I have felt the desire, but mostly had to resist the urge to make fun of the struggles of California and Texas too much despite them being like maybe my two least favorite states because this stuff is going to happen to all of us everywhere in America.

It's coming for all of us, even in the lucky Minnesotans, it's going to happen to you in some form. Well, I mean, like God, the fucking Pacific Northwest has 115 degree temperatures for the first time ever. Like it's there now, but it's going to be somewhere else in the next month and somewhere else next summer. I mean, it is just going to be rolling in compacting catastrophes. It's 108 degrees in Spokane today.

Yeah, I was... Normal. Normal. All right, well, before I start talking about the temperature recorded in the Arctic last week and really going in down that k-hole, let's pull back for a second and talk, let's talk some funny and hot political goss that's burbling up to the floor. So it's been like, you know, it's been about six months now. So like all the books about the last days of like the downfall bunker era of the Trump

administration have been written and they're all coming out and they're being excerpted in various outlets. So I want to dig into two of them today. The first one is an excerpt from the book. Frankly, we did win this election, the inside story of how Trump lost, which is a great title for a book. And both of these articles are very sort of like insidery accounts. Many of their sources are all the deeply compromised people, all the rats fleeing or clinging to

the SS Trump as it circled the drain. So make of that what you will. They seem to confirm a portrait of the Trump White House and the people within it that will not come as a shock to listeners of this show, but there are some fairly funny details in there that I think is worth sharing. So the first one reads, headline here, this is from Business Insider, Trump frequently mocked Rudy Giuliani, calling him pathetic and said he sucked new bookstess. Now this is coming on the heels of Rudy Giuliani losing his license to practice law because

of everything he did on behalf of Trump and then Rudy's people are now like they're making a sort of counterclaim. They're demanding that Trump pay his legal fees. And I will give you any odds that that will not happen. I'll give you a million to one bet that Trump will never, ever part with a dime to help Rudy Giuliani, despite the fact that he's lost his legal license and could be facing, I don't know, is he facing criminal penalty for the shit he did? I mean, I don't think any of those guys are going to jail, bygones be bygones.

Well, I mean, look, he's, he's basically, he's going to lose a lot of money. He's going to lose a lot of money in civil action. If anyone could find a way, like, because we just like really mostly don't send these guys to prison, uh, like people like Duke Cunningham, like you're, it's an IQ test. Duke Cunningham is in a rarefied company of like federal, federal, federal level or national level figures who like got sent to prison. James Trafficon. Yeah.

Rudy is like, it's one of those special cases because do you remember when he like, there was that month where he kept like butt-dialing reporters and this stuff they heard on the other end was like, all right, how are we going to get more money from the legal money from the United Arab Emirates? We need some more fucking money. It's like, he just like, he was on TV that one time during the impeachment proceedings when he was like, oh, don't worry. I have blackmail on Donald Trump in case he's mean to me.

It's like, it's like he's been trying, it's like he's been trying to get away from Andrew, Andrew Giuliani. He's been trying to go to prison. Oh, it says here, according to the book, Trump told Giuliani he sucked and was weak after Giuliani defended him on TV and they'd fall out over the publication of the Access Hollywood tape. So, I mean, this isn't just because he was farting and bleeding on TV. This goes back all the way to 2008, Giuliani has been suffering Trump's abuse and apparently

loving it the entire time. It says here, despite Trump's mockery, Giuliani was determined to remain close to the president, the book says. Rudy never wanted to feel left out, one aide told Bender, according to the mail. If you were ever between Rudy and the president, look out. You were going to get trampled. Still, there were times when Trump defended Giuliani, the book says. At one point, the president's aides started complaining about how Giuliani's frequent

television appearances were creating a public relations headache for the White House press shop. But Trump barked that at least Giuliani was out there fighting for him, Bender's book says. Everyone shut up after that. See, that's all he needs. You need one of those and it makes up for a million owns. That's the beauty of an abusive relationship.

You just need to be nice once or twice and they'll be with you just as you just wrecking their shit the rest of the time. Giuliani was fighting for him like in the way that Edward Norton fought for somebody when he was kicking his own ass in the office and fight club. I am Jack's smirking revenge. The exact same thing with Giuliani was doing on TV. The portrait that emerges at Giuliani, though, is that I don't think he took Trump's abuse too seriously and I think Giuliani's old mindset is that as long as Trump is abusing

me and insulting me and degrading me, then I'm in his inner circle and I have his attention, which is the most important currency that these people are really after. Dealing with his abuse, that's your ticket to the big dance. Yeah, no, I remember the framing of this and for people who were obsessed with impeachment and shit like that during the Trump administration was, oh, it's a crime syndicate. And I guess in a very loose definition, yeah, sure. But I mean, even the most slapdash fucking syndicate, whether it's the mafia thing or whatever, is more organized than what the Trump thing was, which is just like a bunch

of losers like jockeying for this old man's attention so he would pardon their friend or let them lease a bridge. There was no organized process to it. It was just like, who can wave their hands in front of him the longest? That portrait will emerge in the second excerpt I'm going to get to. But real quick, we're going to finish this one up. On Thursday, a New York court suspended Giuliani from practicing law in the state after finding uncontroverted evidence that he communicated demonstrably false and misleading statements

to courts, lawmakers, and the public at large about the 2020 election results. Nonpartisan election experts and cybersecurity professionals found that contrary to Giuliani's and Trump's claims of malfeasance, the 2020 election was the safest and most secure in U.S. history. The former New York mayor appeared on the conservative network Newsmax hours after the ruling came down and said he was not very happy about the suspension. All I can say is America is not America any longer, Giuliani added. We do not live in a free state.

We live in a state that is controlled by the Democrat Party. And I'm sure he was upset about his home and office getting raided by the feds, but I find this, and I think we've mentioned this before, but I find this all just a delicious irony here and that this is happening to Giuliani, the guy who made his bones using the federal RICO acts to fucking demolish the New York City, the five families, the Italian mafia in New York City. Queens, Brooklyn, Manhattan, Staten Island, the Bronx, and that's a fist. Where it's like, you'd think that this guy would know better than anyone that it doesn't

take much, but if you get pushed to that other side of the line of which you're like a no longer wanted or you become a problem for the federal government, they can do whatever they fucking want to you with the legal system and it's designed that way. So Rudy, if you're just finding out we don't live in a free country now, welcome to the fucking party. It'll be okay though, because his horse-mouthed son is going to be governor of the state and he's going to pardon him. As usually on a campaign, Bear is close watching.

I would like to get press credentials for his run for governor. We should do that next year. I have never seen anyone move their mouth that widely. It's like he's doing, he's like, remember when Michael Winslow, the wacky talking guy from a police academy, would pretend to be Bruce Lee being like had a good voiceover and like he moved his mouth really big? That's how Andrew Giuliani always talks. He always sounds like he is doing a joke about being dumb.

As you may have heard recently, a few, few minutes ago, my father's law license was suspended by the New York state first appellate division of the Supreme court. Now the five judges that ruled on it, all five of them are Democrats, three of which were appointed by Andrew Cuomo, five to nothing. Ultimately, Democrats with zero Republicans on there. And this is just unbelievable to see just how politicized all of this has become. You're right. It's like a, it's like a dubbed movie, but the, but, but, but like the words and his

mouth movements sync up, which make it even stranger and more uncaring. Very weird. I just want to put a carrot in his mouth every time I talk. Give him a nice salt lick and some fresh hay. Yeah. He's going to, he's going to pardon his dad, make, he's going to appoint his dad governor, then he's going to step down. You know what?

I think that's like all these guys strategies now is that they do like as much flagrantly unethical and illegal shit that they can while they're in power. And then if they lose it or they're like, the wolves are bang at the door, then they're just like, oh, I'm just going to get my, I'm going to get my fail son into office and he's going to pardon me. He's going to pull off the dog. It's a mirror of the design of the American city where you just have to keep building shitty buildings forever.

Yeah. And then we keep having sons and like, we can do this forever. I do, I do like Andrew because he's like, I mean with Don Jr., Don Jr. just like, there's too much like noticeable sadness in his soul when he tries to like do the dumb shit his dad does. But Andrew is like, easily has like the same type of stupidity that Rudy has. And there's this like Labrador like they can see in him, whatever you see him doing anything, doing any campaign shit.

You're right. Like he's got some, I don't know, he's got some oomph to him that Don Jr. doesn't have. You're right. Like Don Jr., when he imitates his dad, there's a profound melancholy there that you can't escape. Yeah. Yeah. Because you can see the need.

You can see that he's trying to get this approval from his daddy never will. Whereas with Andrew, God darn it, he's just having a good time out there. Look at him. Look at him out there. And you know what, like, I'm just speculating here, but like we all know the story about how when Trump slapped Don Jr. in the face for not wearing a suit to the Yankee game. But you know what, like when Andrew Giuliani like does a campaign announcement and he's like, the Democrats in this state are waging war against my father and I will stand to

protect him. I think like when he gets home, like, uh, Rudy Giuliani puts a very sweaty hand on his back and goes, you did good, son. I love you. Yeah. Yeah. No, they have like, I think they like do activities together. They like go to horrible cigar lounges.

Oh, God. Yeah. Yeah. You know, wander around dog tracks, like whatever you would imagine those guys would do. It's like, like go to go to rug stores just to haggle and not buy anything. I'm just imagining, uh, Andrew, he's a loyal, dutiful son that he is will often take it upon himself to mop down his dad's flop sweat. Just sort of dab his brow with an extra absorbent bounty or something.

I would say the difference between like Don Jr. and Andrew Giuliani is that like if Don Jr. knows nothing else, it's that he's not his father, whereas Andrew, it's very possible he does not know that. Well, he doesn't look anything like his dad. It's quite odd. Nothing. It looks absolutely nothing like his father. He looks like Jake Busey.

Who needs a knife and a nuke fight anyway? Yeah. Like Rudy is very like sort of, um, he's always looked like his, the gravity is really taking its toll on his face. It's like very Salvador Dolly. Like everything's melting down. Yeah. Andrew, Andrew is like a very ruddy, uh, uh, perky set of clay.

Oh my God. He's Salvador Dolly. That is, that is what Rudy's face is like. It's like, yeah, the persistence of memory, the persistence of embarrassment. Yeah. And, and Andrew is just like, he has one of those like, you know, big like Irish heads. He's got a big Irish potato head. Yeah.

Yeah. It's like from the mom's side. It's got to be, but yeah, I've never seen a father and son look less alike than those two. They look nothing alike. Ronan Farrow and Woody Allen. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. But there's an explanation for that. Um, okay, uh, next excerpt, this is, this is a long one. This is an excerpt from, um, Michael Wolfe's new book called landslide that's, uh, printed in a New York magazine. Now Michael Wolfe, I don't know if you guys remember him. He's this very like, kind of, Samaritan fish face, the, the DC for the fight, the fire and fury book.

God damn it. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Long time like New York. Well, before that he was like a notorious like just New York media, like the type of guy Donald Trump would call. Yeah.

Absolutely. He was having a flashback to when that book was like a huge deal. And now it's like, Oh yeah, I remember that book and it, and like, fuck, it's just, yeah, the, the speed of everything just hit me like, God damn. What was that book about? Was that, was that about the Obama administration? No, that was like the first six months of the Trump administration. It was all just like leaks of people talking about how like he farted during a meeting or

something and blamed it on the joint use of staff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was like that book was detailed a lot of like banning drama and shit. He, but yeah, before that, Michael Wolfe was like, yeah, I remember him as like sort of an early modern Twitter figure because he would like, in like 2013 or so he would make a post.

It's like, Oh, millennials are mad because they can't get a reservation at Waverly Inn. Yeah. And he's like, who's the, who the fuck's the audience for this? I mean, he's like, yeah, he's the guy who would hang out with Lou Perlzman. Absolutely. I mean, yeah, he's, he's this New York media like hagfish basically, but you know what, like, like you Trump and those people around him definitely talk to this guy. So like, he knows how to fucking cultivate sources.

So there's, there's some very funny stuff in this new excerpt. So getting into that, okay, I'm just going to start at the beginning, this is a very long article, so I'm not on time to get into all of it, but there's, let's just, let's just go through it. It seems like quite a few crazies said the president a little more than three weeks before rioters and revelers stormed the Capitol in January six, several thousand Trump fans and fanatics gathered in Washington DC. There were the Proud Boys in elaborate dress, ZZ Top Beards and tie dyed kilts, Enrique

Tarrio, a Proud Boy organizer got in line and took a public tour of the White House who seemed to have appointed themselves Trump's protectors and Vanguard as the Hell's Angels had once done for the Rolling Stones. Tarrio, he's the guy who was like a Fed, right? Yes. He was the Fed, he was the Fed informant who was like arrested on an unrelated charge like the day before the Capitol riot took place. So they were just like, oh, well just now that you've instigated this whole thing, let's

just, just sort of pluck you out of this pot and put you elsewhere. So when it goes down, you'll be free from legal ramification. So I did like that you took it upon itself, take a guided tour of the White House though. That's nice. I mean, you know, that's what you do when you're in DC. It's a fun tourist thing to do. Have other of you guys ever done a tour of the White House? No, never.

I've got, I've done the Senate, I've sent it in house, but not the White House. Just the basement where they keep the kids. Okay, all right, going on here, it says, it's like let's make a deal, said Trump the next day to a caller, referencing the long running game show from the 1960s, this is the day after the riot. Many of his references never left this psychic era, one which audience members dressed up in foolish costumes to get this attention of the host. I love that detail because it's so accurate that all of his pop cultural references are

stuck in that era. Like he's just like, like many, many old people do, or many people pass a certain age, but Trump especially, it's very specific. And once again, very queen-y like era, like he just loved Paul Lind and Charles Nelson Riley on the fucking match game or whatever. Yeah, he usually like, he'll have some illusions to modern things like the Kristen Stewart thing, but just like, not the actual movies, just like the gossip. Yeah.

He loves the gossip. Yeah. Like the cultural references to like movies and stuff, the farthest they can possibly go is about 1985. Yeah. They're remaking Ghostbusters with a female cast. It goes here. The speakers at the December 12th event were themselves a retinue of former Trump attention

seekers. Michael Flynn, the former generally who had briefly served as Trump's national security advisor before being rolled out of office for lying to the FBI, had, after pleading guilty, reversed himself and abjectly reaffirmed his Trump loyalty, finally getting his pardon just days before the rally. Sebastian Gorka, a figure of uncertain providence, I love that, a figure of uncertain providence. Because that's, again, that's totally true. I mean, like, dude, very early like successful bit for us on the show, all credit to James

Adomian, but Gorka just came out of nowhere. Like, it's just one day, he's just this bellowing guy who's just talking about, the alpha males are back in charge now. Yeah, yeah, he really, he came out of the ether. And it's like, if anyone, I think that like one of us would have recognized him, but no, we had never seen him this guy before. No, I mean, you know, you know, my fucking like, my mind palace is the library is just filled with fucking obscure media figures that I find funny.

I think they filled out a lot of the spots in that early administration from subreddits. You might not have heard of some of these people before. How would they have thought to like get him? I don't know. Like, where would you have seen him? I mean, did he work on the campaign? That's for sure. I don't know.

Yeah, he was, I think he was one of those national security advisors or something. Yeah, yeah, that's it. So, I mean, I don't know if you guys remember this, but like, basically everybody who in the sixties would have like cut out a classified ad and soldier of fortune and tried to fly to Rhodesia ended up in the White House. Yeah. That's exactly. Yeah.

Yeah. Like, you remember, like, you remember how, like, the, like his dot, like his doctor was just like a pillhead that he knew he said he died, by the way, RIP to a legend. No, no, no. A different guy. Ronnie Jackson. Oh, that was this. Yeah, but he wasn't just his doctor.

He was, he was a medal, he was a army doctor. Yeah. No, that's, yeah. He had like a pretty important position. He had a whole career. And then, like, as soon as Trump showed up, he's like, yeah, he actually, he weighs 125 pounds. Oh, yeah.

No, no, no. 8% body fat. His official, you pointed this out. Colesterol is under 90. He's a fit. The official body weight on like the Navy physician who has to do this officially for the president, the weight he was given on the physical that was released to the public. I think you pointed this out, Matt, was like five pounds shy, it was like one or two.

It was as high as it could be without technically being obese. Yeah. Yeah. And then, and then he got rewarded. They wanted to make him Surgeon General and then he immediately got busted for like driving his car into the side of the White House to try to just like offering interns pills. Yeah. Like he was totally normal career and then Trump shows up and it's just like the beast

is awoken with him. Yeah. That was, yeah. That was awesome. That was an awesome Trump cycle. I'm just having like flashbacks at the early era of the Trump administration in Gorka. This was like Chopo Mark I. But do you remember the bid about how, so like Gorka is brought on as like in part of the national security staff or whatever, but he couldn't get a security

clearance because he still had like a charge for trying to bring a gun on an airplane. Yep. Yep. So he had a security clearance to do his job, which is like all the job actually entails. So there were accounts of like, and he was in the White House for like six months before getting shot. Just hanging around. And no, he was just hanging around.

It was said that he would, he would spend all day in the White House cafeteria watching things on TV that he would get mad at or tell the president about. He was just watching. And he would pop in the meetings about like soil irrigation and just talk about, well, Napoleon was an idiot. What a fucking guy. All right. Going on here, a figure of uncertain providence and function in the Trump White House during

its first months was one of the early oddballs to be pushed out when John Kelly became chief of staff and had pursued a Trump-based media career ever since. Also speaking, my pillow entrepreneur, Mike Lindell, a former drug addict and current fevered conspiracy theorist. More people were stabbed and 33 arrested, most in the several-hour melee that took place after shunned down. This was, in hindsight, a run-through. But it was also a pretty good insight into Trump's relationship to his army of supporters.

The president often expressed puzzlement over who these people were with their low-rent trailer camp bearing and their, quote, get-ups, once joking that he should have invested in a chain of tattoo parlors and shaking his head about the great unwashed. I mean, this confirms much of our observations about Trump, is that nobody hates MAGA people more than Trump himself. Yeah. I mean, he kisses their ass and he plays to them because he knows that's his sweet spot. But Trump wants to look out over to see one of his huge rallies with 50,000 people.

He wants to see them all in fine dining evening attire. He wants to see a crowd that's mostly made up of CEOs, celebrities, athletes, people of that caliber, not the guys dressing in the tricorner hats and looking goofy. It continues here, the fan base had always been peculiar to him. For most politicians, Vox Populi is a pretty remote concept. One brought home only with polling, press, and elections. Trump's regular and during some periods nearly constant performances at stadium rallies gave him a greater direct route and connection to his base than any politician in the modern

television age. It was adulation on par with that of a pop star, a massive pop star, quote, the only man without a guitar who can fill a stadium he is likely to say about himself and in another of his 1960s stuck references, star. That's not true at all. Kevin Hart could do that. Yeah. Kevin Hart did MSG.

Yeah. Probably like charismatic mega-pastors like Tony Robbins, Joel Olstein, people like that, motivational speaker guys, and also a lot of musicians today, they don't even play guitars. That's true. The rap style musicians. Yeah. They're not as cool as Freddie Mercury who played an instrument. By dawn on January 6, the crowd of the great unwashed was building with the various organizers

of the various events, each pulling in larger than expected numbers. From the perspective of the White House, the protest was still just background noise. A tailgate party before the main event. Vice President Mike Pence counting and they hoped rejecting the electors representing the final tally of the November vote that would begin at 1 p.m. The remaining group of aides around the president that morning in the White House was down to Mark Meadows, the chief of staff, Eric Hirschman, one of Trump's on-call lawyers, and Dan Scavino, his social media alter ego, with Jason Miller, Justin Clark, Alex Cannon, and Tim Myrtaugh,

the last employees from the campaign, either working from home or in the case of Clark, heading into the Republican National Committee. All of them had woken with something close to the same thought. How is it going to play when the vice president fails to make the move the president is counting on him to make? No mistake, each fully understood, Mike Pence was not going to make that move. Just as relevant, none of the seven men had precisely told the president this. They, along with almost everyone else in the White House, as well as those who had slipped

out, just wanted this to be over. These guys, again, morality aside, from their perspective, is it just not worth it to explain this to Trump? Yeah. It's just not worth the hassle. Short-term thinking, what keeps you in the room? The problem of next week can be solved next week. You don't want to cause problems for yourself now by telling him something he doesn't want

to hear. Yeah, but next week, these guys would be out of a job. Was this just to stay in the room for another 48 hours? Yeah. Yes. That's it. Psycho. We're staring down the barrel of apocalyptic destruction that is obviously the result

of what we keep doing, but we keep doing it because there's no alternative. Because it's the only thing that we know and it's the only comfort we have. For these guys, being in the room with Trump is the only thing that matters. Making the effort to say something that's going to get you kicked out of there, because what's the benefit of that? You're going to be out of a job anyway, wouldn't you want it to go down with the ship and be a loyal soldier? Yeah.

If you go down as a loyal soldier, there's some life after you or after this where you can maybe get a show on Newsmax or OAN. There's enough payoff after that. If you go against it, it's like, how many fucking guys have made a big show about going against it? The last one is this guy, Miles Taylor, Miles from Sonic, Miles T Prowler, who you can only have so many Evan McMullins, right? There's only so much.

I mean, that was a lucrative thing at the start, but it's like, talk about media oversaturation. The principal guys who went up against Trump, there's probably more guaranteed payoff for going down as a loyal soldier, right? And even if you're not thinking that far ahead, you're thinking of what's happening to you in that very moment. And then that very moment, you don't want to get yelled at. You don't want to get called a loser. And I think that a lot of the time, I think Grifter is one of those very overused words

which now just means someone you don't like. Because I think these guys kind of do have a carnival bark or thing about them, but a lot of them do actually believe in this stuff and do believe in Trump. And there's some part of them that's like, okay, this is fuck now, but he's definitely going to win next time for some reason. So I have to keep on his good side. There's a great detail in this next paragraph. This was not an uncommon feeling in the final days of the Trump presidency.

There was the world within shouting distance of the Oval Office, privy to the president's monologues, his catalog of resentments, agitation, desires, long-held notions, stray information, and sudden inspirations with little practical relationship to the workings of government. And then there was the more normal world beyond that. Early in Trump's presidency, aides noted that a second floor office where the likes of Stephen Miller and Kellyanne Conway worked meant a degree of exclusion, but also protection. Trump would never climb the stairs. And by the end of his term, he never had.

What an amazing physical specimen. The smart ones, Kellyanne Conway and Stephen Miller, at all coincidentally, the two people who lasted the entire four years of Trump's White House, which is like had a turnover rate higher than fucking, I don't know, substitute teacher or whatever, yeah, they were protected from his whims by a staircase because he literally, they couldn't hear him if he was yelling and that he would not, okay, here's a good question. Remember there's that thing where like Trump had trouble walking down that ramp on the campaign trail and everyone made fun of him.

When is the last time you think Trump walked up a flight of stairs, just one floor from like the first floor to the second floor of a building? It's been decades, I would imagine. I would say the elevator every time. I would say maybe like 2004. Interesting. Yeah. And I can't see him doing it after that, but I think that was the last year where it's

like okay, I think I can take this one on. And then it's like every year that you don't do it, it becomes more difficult to the point where you're just like, all right, I'm done with that part of my life. Stairs are a big part of my childhood. They're not a big part of my adult life. You know, when one grows up, one must put away childish things, including stairs. You know, we've speculated before that Trump is going to live another 20, 30 years, probably. He's probably going to croak at like 101 or something.

But I think the only thing that could fuck that up is a staircase. I think all of the HP that he channels to keep his life going will be negated. They'll get buffed by a single staircase and then he'll just collapse dead immediately. Yeah. I mean, everyone made fun of that thing where he was like, the human body has a finite amount of energy and it's bad for you to work out, but it's like, that's true for him. I think at this point, that's definitely true. And I think like, how much does he move around a day?

He probably like, if you put like a Fitbit on him or something, you'd record what, like 40 steps. Oh my God. Felix, they should get Trump a Fitbit that just counts steps overall. It doesn't reset at the end of the day. And he has realistically 10,000 steps left in his life. And it's like a countdown clock to when he's going to die. Yeah.

That's 10,000 over 40 years for sure. Yeah. Like he's going to find a way to go under budget on that. Yeah. But if he averages six or eight a day, then he's fine. He's fine. Yeah. Okay.

Think about it. Like wakes up, like gets like, you know, goes to the bathroom and like, you know, I don't know how he like pisses or shits. Like there's probably like, he probably like, there's a pellet of piss that comes out of his body, like a long, thin pellet, like the graphite and mechanical pencil and it just like comes out. It's just like solid. It looks like, it looks like you put you, you, you like, it looks like a popsicle of

gravy pulls out and he gets done that he like does all this like beauty shit. And then he like puts his face on. Yeah. And he goes to like, goes to like where he like eats his meals and like signs, birthday cards for like racist plastic surgeons. And that's like, what? That's like probably 20 steps, maybe. Yeah.

And then it's like, you could put maybe 10 more in for the rest of the day. That's 30 times 365. Yeah. No. I mean, he's going to have to bring the daily steps down from like, you know, 40 to 20 to live another 40 years. But I think he can do it. Yeah.

I believe in him. Yeah. All right. Continuing. To the degree that Trump had for four years been running the government with scant idea of the rules and practices of running the government. He was now doing it virtually without anybody who did have some idea and desire to protect both him and themselves from embarrassment or legal peril.

Jared Kushner was to his own great relief in the Middle East wrapping up what he saw as the historic, his historic mission, his peace deals. I love the way that's shaken out. But moving on to this. The president had all but banished the White House counsel, Pat Cipollone, who was grateful to be banished, and was speaking instead to Hirschman. Hirschman, believing he understood how to move the president, tended to offer objections that sounded awfully like the plaudits of a yes man.

Kayleigh McEnany had been strategically missing in action for several weeks. The remaining campaign officials, Jason Miller, Clark Cannon, tended to be merely on the receiving end of Trump's calls and opinions. And everybody else was effectively cleared out. White House wags noted that Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin had fled as far as Sudan, where he was negotiating a good behavior economic pact with the former terrorism sponsored nation to get his distance from the last election grasp. That is Mnuchin fucked off Sudan.

He went to Sudan to avoid having anything to do with this shit. I love it. He's like, yeah, what a soldier, Steve. He was, he was the verbal kint of the administration. He was Kaiser Soze walking off into the sunset. Into the Sudan sunset. With Louise Litton at his side, partner in crime, Bonnie and Clyde. He was probably making me you madness while you were in Sudan.

The one person Trump did have at his side, Rudy Giuliani, was drinking heavily and in a constant state of excitation, often almost incoherent in his agitation and mania. That's funny. Rudy never struck me as a drinker. He always came across as something of a teetotaler to me. I mean, I guess that explains his, his, his, his, his, his, his sweatiness as of late is just the, got the booze sweats that he's dabbing his brow constantly to sop up that Jameson or whatever.

It's easy to get confused because that world has so many guys who are like, I've, I've never, I've never touched a drop of alcohol. And it's like, they just don't drink like maybe due to a medical reason or whatever. Like guys who have committed like literally hundreds of sexual assaults who are like, I did, I don't have vices, but they think that's true because they don't drink. And like it's easy to get a conflated, but like Rudy, I mean, I think one of the only ways you can get that face is by like being a binge drinker. Yeah.

Almost everyone who remained around the president understood that he, along with Giuliani, did in fact actually believe there was yet a decent chance of upsetting the electoral count and having Trump declared the electoral college winner or failing that prolonging the election and returning the fight to the disputed states. The president's aides and family understood too that there was the, that he was the only one along with Giuliani, which made the situation more alarming in any professional political sphere to believe this. Hence, they did not call it such and tried to see it as a more nuanced, as more nuanced

quote derangement. The more nuanced understanding is that Trump has lost his fucking marvels. There had been hardly a waking hour in the past 48 during which he and Giuliani had not been on the phone and pent up nervousness and excitement over the coming battle in Congress on January 6th. There were two generals, they were two generals pouring over a map of the battlefield. Both men, egged on by hypotheticals, ever nearer to fantasy. And after exhausting all other options, had come to take it as an article of faith that

the vice president could simply reject Biden electors in favor of Trump ones and thereby hand the election to Trump. Or failing, falling short of that, the vice president could determine that a state legislature ought to give further consideration to possible discrepancies in the state's vote and send it back to the question electors for a reconsideration of their certification. There's no question none at all that the VP can do this. That's a fact. The Constitution gives him the authority not to certify.

It goes back to the state legislature, so Giuliani as though on a loop, he kept repeating this to the president and to the others who are part of a continual conversation on the cell phone. Yes, yes, yes, here's the thing. Hold on a second. Hey, let me get back to you. The president in his own loop kept similarly repeating this back to Giuliani. And they both similarly repeated this to everyone else with such an insistent determination

that it overrode any opportunity to disagree with them or even engage in conversation. Throughout, they continue to weigh the odds that the vice president would come along. Sometimes 50-50, sometimes as much as 60-40, and even somewhat more, at the grimest 30-70, but always a solid shot. Now this goes back to the thing we were talking about earlier about why these people, even though knowing full well that there was no chance that he was going to pull this off, continued to flatter him just to be in the room with him for another two minutes. This question about Pence, and they're all doing odds for themselves on if he's going

to come through or not. I understand the president and the vice president, like, in any administration are not that close and they don't spend that much time together. But is there any reason Trump couldn't have just asked Mike Pence what he was planning to do on January 6th so that it didn't come as a surprise to him? And I think the answer to that, I mean, maybe there's other reasons you could speculate about, but I think the answer for that is that he knew full well himself that there was no chance of this.

And the true believers around him knew in the back of their mind the exact same thing, and they just didn't want, they avoided actually asking the one person they were laying odds on his behavior, because, I mean, he's the vice president, it's like his job to respond to questions from the president about what he will or won't do, is they just didn't seek to confirm it because they wanted to keep this fantasy going for themselves. And I mean, like, it could also be like you don't want Pence to testify that you personally asked that or whatever. But I mean, I think with this whole thing, I do as trashy as it is, I do like these

accounts because the Hitler comparisons are so overwrought and stupid for so many reasons. But this is so downfall, but if Hitler was like, okay, after all the fantasy is dispelled, you go kill yourself. I'm going to go back to Florida, you kill yourself by just without the self-sacrifice of Hitler. Like, all right, I guess it's done, I guess we lost. I'm going to go, I'm going to go, you know, make 40 steps a day for the next 40 years of my life and you're in trouble.

Hey, I tried my best. Tough shit. Like, it is great, yeah, he just left everyone to do all this shit. And like, when he goes, like, when he's telling Giuliani, I'll get back to you, what do you think he was getting back to? Like, what do you think was cutting in between the call? Like, either like, just some bullshit, like, hey, like, I gave $250,000 to your inauguration or PAC supporting you, can you like, send a postcard to my 170-year-old aunt?

Yeah, sure. Or like, just literally, probably just scrolling. There's a lot in this article, it goes through like, basically an hour-by-hour account of what was going on in the White House on January 6th. But I'm just going to jump ahead now to this part. This is after like, this is as shit was going down in the capital and like, in real time and they were all wondering what to do. It says here, the debate about putting the president out there to say something, something

calming, continued for as much as an hour. There were three views, that he must, as fast as possible, say something. It was getting serious, though no one yet was seeing this as the defining moment of his presidency. His own view was that he should say nothing. It was not his fault or responsibility and he certainly didn't want to give a speech that might imply was. And lastly, that anything he said instead of helping to address the problem might well

make matters much worse, as it did when he was forced to make a speech condemning the racist protesters in Charlottesville. AIDS put in front of the president two suggested tweets written in Trump's voice which they hoped he might accept. The first one reads, bad apples like antifa or other crazed leftists infiltrated today's peaceful protest over the fraudulent vote count. Violence is never acceptable. MAGA supporters embrace our police on the rule of law and should leave the capital now.

Second tweet that was suggested. The fake news media who encouraged this summer's violent and radical riots are now trying to blame peaceful and innocent MAGA protesters for violent actions. This isn't who we are. Our people should head home and let the criminal suffer the consequences. Trump either rejected them or ignored them. Other than Dan Scavino, Trump didn't like anyone else writing his tweets. I mean, I'm surprised even let Scavino do it.

I mean, the man's a true poster. And I gotta say, once again, in phrase for the day, morality aside, Trump's instincts about not doing anything were from his perspective the correct one. I mean, it got him this far. No, yeah. His instincts usually pretty dead on. Well, because like what these people are bred to think is cover your ass. You have to say something so that that you will not you will not be remembered poorly

in history. But that's just nerd shit. That's just another way for the fucking hall monitors to to spook you. If you really don't, the only way to truly be free and to operate as a political wild card and to benefit from it the way Trump did is if you just do not give a shit what they have to say. And the second you start caring is the second that you're broken, which is why a guy like Ted Cruz will never fill the shoes.

I mean, remember when he was in he he he fled the the cold snap in Texas to go to fucking Mexico? They found him. He just came back immediately and said that he was just going there to drop his family off. I was escorting my daughters there like I fucking Liam Neeson and take it or something and I was going to come back anyway and it's like you only he did that because a bunch of people were in his ear saying, Oh, you got us.

You got to do you got to do control on this. And those people are always the people you should listen to least because they're totally captured by this thing that all these people are convinced is what moves the needle. But if you're a guy like Trump and you're not beholden to the media narratives to push you as as a personality, you can and should completely fucking ignore. Yeah. But ComShop person is always going to want you to make more comms. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah. Do you? Yeah. You know these people just just how you know if you ask a building developer how to run a city. Guess what he's gonna say. Yeah. All right, I'm skipping ahead to the end of the article here because it contains a lovely

and charming portrait of the home life of my good friend, Jason Miller. So I've had to hear it says Jason Miller at home in Arlington was lying stupefied in bed with his wife, watching video loops of the day over and over again and hoping there was a plan. I mean, that's nice. That's nice isn't it? You know, just lying in bed with your wife that you love so much. I mean, good for him.

I would never cheat on her doing anything to make her feel bad. That's in the past. He's a better man now. He's learned a lot. And like I said, he's grown. He's grown and I wish him all the best in the future. Yeah. No.

Many culinary treats. But no one called. At 9 p.m. he got out of bed, opened his laptop and started to write a statement. A statement that considered language of politics, the true Mandarin's language, was an indication of ongoing business. This meant doing what Trump had refused for the past 64 days to do. Acknowledge that Joe Biden would inevitably be the next president. There was not going to be an abject or contrite Trump or even a formally defeated one.

It was necessary to skip over the fairness of the election and to skip over the Trump told narrative. The election in his mind would retain stolen would remain stolen forever stolen. This statement could certainly not be the official belated concession at least not to Trump, but it had to establish acceptance, a fate, a complete and put Trump's stamp on the new if disagreeable reality. Miller was trying to get the headline, the cry and roll, the message from Trump that something had changed, orderly transition.

Not exactly the torch passing and hardly a round of applause for democracy in action. That was as far as the president could be moved. He called Kushner and read him the draft. Will you call the president Kushner smoothly pushed Miller into the fray? Miller called Meadows still in the white West Wing and then the president. The president seemed eager to hear from Miller, eager to be on the phone. Most often for Trump, the phone was a one-way instrument, callers listened. How bad is this?

Trump asked. A stark difference from his usual opener. How are we doing? Which was not ordinarily a question at all, but a preface to Trump saying how well everything was going, that's a great, that's a great little detail about Trump that I find very telling. It's just, how's it going? And then you open your mouth to start saying how you're going.

That's great. So anyway, let me tell you, things are wonderful here. They're going fantastic. We're doing better than anyone's ever done before. Mr. President, today is literally going to change everything. This looks terrible. This is really bad. Who are these people?

These aren't our people, these idiots with these outfits. They look like Democrats. Hold on. Our great first lady is here. And Trump's switching, said Trump, switching to speakerphone. So I don't want to say I feel sympathy for Jason Miller, but just like, think about him in this situation where you're the last man standing and it falls on you to have to craft a statement that is the first ever concession to reality.

And you're calling Trump about and he's like, hold on. I've got a great first lady on the line because you're just putting you on speaker right now. Melania wants to say something to you. She says here, Jason said the for great first lady with a sharp note, the media is trying to go and say, this is who we are. We don't support this. That's what we have to make clear, said Miller, relieved that the president and the first lady were seeing the protesters as bad guys rather than good guys and not a mix of the

two. Pushing through, Miller told the president and first lady that he had just gotten off the phone with Kushner and Meadows and that they had a proposal for later, for later that evening if Biden reached an electoral majority. He went into reading the statement draft. The president suggested peaceful transition instead of orderly. Miller said that that called attention to the fact that it wasn't peaceful now and might not be peaceful.

Orderly Miller did not say suggested not just an absence of disruption, but that all the aspects of government would pass as they should to a new administration. People put it in someone else's hand. Orderly meant cooperation too. The Trump White House would cooperate with the incoming Biden White House. It wasn't just the protesters who needed to stop. Trump needed to extend himself too. After all, it wasn't just at the recount effort and the election challenge behind the protests,

but Trump's personal intransigence. Trump seemed to appreciate this now to walk back even. The media thinks I'm not going to leave, said the president. Did they really think that? That's crazy. How did so many people get this idea? This is all hinging, all of it, on this idea that Mike Pence would just come through and just be like, yes, the Constitution gives me the authority to make Donald Trump president.

He had been saying, I don't know, maybe he wasn't saying it, but literally everyone who supported him in the media was saying exactly that. Yeah, maybe he would have. And then that would have been great. And then he didn't? Hey, what are you going to do? Yeah. I'll be at Mar-a-Lago if you need me.

Jumping ahead here, it says, this is over, Miller thought. This is the end of the road. I'm just going to refrain from commenting further on the end of Jason Miller's road. Of all the news outlets, only Fox had never gotten back to him. Even Fox, Miller accepted, was truly over Trump. Scavino could not use only his personal Twitter account to finally, at 3.49 a.m., get out the president's statement. I forgot that.

They got out Trump's tweet at four in the morning. Yeah. Yeah. That was awesome. That fucking rules. It's sort of like, if you're up late, it's like four or five o'clock in the morning on Twitter, time zones aside, you're like, can I get away with this retweet? It's pretty spicy.

And then you're like, yeah, no one's up, who cares? So it goes here, if this was an attempted push, it had not only failed, but shown its leader to be almost a random participant in it, without method or strategy, disorder had always been his element. And now it was his followers too. But he was not so much with them as alone in his own rebellion and desires, a bubble of grievance that somehow floated apart from the actual events, even events that were meant to make real the president's own delusions.

So that's the end there. And I like the bit at the end where he says, if this was a push, it had failed, but it was one in which it was a push in which the president was just sort of an observer and not a participant. And I think that may be soft selling Trump's role in this to a certain degree, but he said all this shit on TV, believing Christ knows what, and then watched the outcome of it on TV like everyone else did, seemingly as baffled as everyone else was as to what was going on or why it was happening. That was how he governed for four years, so it makes sense that's how he would have treated

that moment. I mean, that was his whole thing of being president was just watching himself be president. So why would he ever change that? I mean, he never grasped the idea that he was supposed to actually be doing anything because he's never done anything. His entire career before that was just you go into a room and you shake a guy's hand and you say, you're very excited. And then that's it.

Everything happens elsewhere. You don't actually do anything. People are behind your back using your brand to launder money, but you're not actually involved in any of that. Yeah, so I thought both of those are fairly telling recountings of the, yes, the downfall bunker last days of the Trump administration, which once again does comport to all of our previous observations about his conduct vis-a-vis the January 6th riot. So I don't know, any final thoughts on this?

We went long today. Too many interesting animal facts to discuss. I can't wait for him to come back. Yeah, no. It'll be really fun when he runs again, and I don't see who would beat him for the nomination. Well, the thing we're talking about now is that the Republicans win the midterms. Like, would they say they could make him Speaker of the House? They could.

He would never do that. That's an actual job. Yeah. That is like a little too much for him. Like all the actual governing happens in the legislative branch now, and there is obviously a lot of governing going on in the executive branch, but the president doesn't really have to have anything to do with it as we now are pretty painfully aware. But like, secret of the house is one of those jobs where you've got to actually go to meetings

and actually make deals and preside over votes. It's all, and then you're still not the main person. You're still not. The person is on TV. Obviously. And so I can't imagine him wanting to do it. The thing that he did enjoy about being president was that like, you can just issue an executive order that's like kind of bullshit.

That's like, you know, today's, we're calling today Hero's Day or something. Like he loved doing that. And if you're speaker of the house, you have to like pass a bill like, you know, honoring Paul Lind. And that's like, that's too much work. There's no handsome hamburger quarterback party. No, yeah, no. At the speaker of the house.

It's just not for him. That's just not his type of thing. That's like, that's one of those things for people who like are under the delusion that like Trump, Trumpism is like a real appreciable, like political program and not just the guy. Yeah. Like, like this idea, like, oh, you know, oh, Josh Hallway is going to take up the mantle of like national conservatism and it's like, no, that's like not anything. That's not like no one in America, like no one's actually going to do that.

No one actually like is fully articulating that. And also like, no, they're just, they're into this one guy very much. Yeah. And if the, if the, if the Republicans take power again, they're going to do what they've done and it'll be worse than what they did before, but that's just because times are shitty. Yeah. It's just going to be the eternal ratchet of history.

It's not going to be because they're following Trump's like ideological model because that doesn't exist. Yeah. No, that, that is, you know, all politics now are it's, it's cargo colts, but like especially Trumpism. Oh my God. Yeah. Like this guy in 2015 is like, uh, what, what if everyone could go to the doctor like

in between 500 things about individual cable news shows and they're like, uh, that's it. Oh, he invented national conservatism. That's what we're doing. And then like governs pretty much fucking identically to Marco Rubio. And it's like, no, this is still a thing. He's going to come, but he's going to do it again. Didn't even fucking, didn't even give a second round of checks. That's how little of a fucking thing it is.

Yeah. He barely fought for that because he was too concerned about Oprah being very mean. Yeah. A second round of checks. When Pelosi sandbagged the, the second check before the election that might have secured him another term, he didn't give a shit. He didn't fight for it at all. No, no, he, yeah, he just doesn't give a shit, but there's this like hilarious attempt to

make it like a real intellectual thing. This like some type of like hair and vote conservatism with like strong market controls that will literally never fucking exist in America. That was like when, uh, was it like, uh, is it Josh Hallway or one of those guys were like going at Blackstone for buying up like every single family home in the country and just making every American like a renter for the next, like for the foreseeable future. Uh, they were just like, and also like, uh, because, uh, Blackstone had some like corporate pride thing and they were just like, this is woke capitalism.

Like the Democrats and the liberals are never going to reign in Blackstone and like, well, yeah, obviously no, they're not, but fucking Josh Hallway isn't going to do that. Yeah, is it black rock of those guys get to squeeze everybody, uh, like fucking turnips and then politics is, is whoever will spin you a narrative blaming someone somewhere, some amorphous group for the immiseration caused by that without ever addressing the actual thing because the, so the, the, uh, suggestion will be you can't get rid of this horrible evil without getting rid of this other group, this other, uh, opposing force, which can't happen absent some sort of a, a collapse of democracy.

And so you could, until the wheels fall off, you'll just keep cranking up the misery and then cranking up the rhetoric about who's responsible without ever, without either side addressing the actual pain. The woke capitalism thing is genius. Like whoever came up with that, because it's like, it's a way of pointing at all this shit and like basically, basically implying that like these companies will stop exploiting people like black rock will stop owning all these houses, Blackstone will stop buying in strip mining companies and firing people if like they have Nick DiPolo perform at their

Christmas party. That's like the main idea. It's like they saw these people are getting disillusioned with this shit because of their lives versus their parents lives and they're like, oh, got it. Yeah. And it's, it's not even like a politically significant amount of people care about it, but it's time. He's even that because people are such shitty.

They have such limited imaginations and such a shitty ability to think. And yeah, like, and I also, it's, it's, it's why I think is like most of the thing that's animating this, this sort of pseudo tea party insurgents based around critical race theory is this idea is like, you know, corporate HR diversity seminars or whatever. And like, look, we've talked about that on the show, we've made fun of them. I think they're bullshit as well, but it's a way to brand like, like that's what's wrong with capitalism. Like this is why everything sucks.

Like this is why your employer has too much power over you is because they can make you go to these corporate diversity seminars, which is true. But like all these people, like they're not actually advocating like, I don't know, trade unionism or collective bargaining or just like how about taking away the money of these rich households? How about nationalize most of these things? Like, yeah. No, no.

Like, I agree that that shit's stupid, that it's fucking silly, but it's silly because it's like, it's something that the people who like become the executives of those companies like because they went to college, it's just like, it's, it's a like silly feature of it just like, you know, corporate retreats or any other like weird cultural thing built around like the, the, the locus of capital in this country. It's not like there's come to be this like way of thinking where it's like, no, there's like, that's what makes them bad. I mean, I think the existence of those like the HR culture, this new like corporate diversity

stuff has, you know, probably something to do with the fact that, you know, more and more like, you know, bodies and spaces types are working their ways into the heights of corporate power. But I think more than anything, it's just about covering their ass on an insurance and like, you know, like for like potential lawsuits or whatever. And if you constantly have to keep making more money, the only way to do that is to like try to appeal to as much, to as many people as possible. And for as much noise people make about stuff where they're like, oh, I'm not going to like

watch NASCAR anymore because they like did a lap around the track for Black Lives Matter. It's like, they still will. It's like, you're a pig. You're not going to talk to your family. You're not going to stop doing that. And like the hope is maybe it brings new people on board. If you, if the form, like the main thing with entertainment now is that everything has to hit the maximum amount of people that it can and you allow that most people are pigs and

we'll watch it anyway. That's the way you bring new people on. Or so they think. Who knows if it works or not, but that's like definitely the theory they're going after. Well, I mean, she said like the crony, sorry, the woke capitalism thing is such a brilliant idea because it's such a simple one and it's such a, it's, it's the same idea. And it's the one that's worked before. It's like, oh, you just invent these modifiers put in front of capitalism.

Like, oh, that's crony capitalism. That's corporate capitalism. That's not true for your market capitalism. Now it's woke capitalism. We're just like, no, it's all capitalism. Yeah, it's the same thing. It's the same thing as Elizabeth Warren, like saying, like, oh, we're doing the bad capitalism now and my idea is like the good kind.

It's the same thing. Yeah, exactly. It's just like that for people who like went to Vanderbilt instead of fucking Tufts. Yeah. I think there's a lot of similarities between this, like, you know, pseudo grassroots, like anger and upswell. Like you've seen all these, you know, video footage of like, you know, school boards turning into like near riots and people having to be like dragged out screaming and they can't

even get a meeting started because of how, how, how juiced up people are, the angry about, you know, critical race theory being taught in schools. And, you know, the contents of the curriculum aside, I mean, this just bears in every conceivable aspect from the people funding it to the energy and like the reasons for it is a democratic administration is in Washington, just like when Obama came into and then out of nowhere, there's seeming this like groundswell of conservative protest and sort of populist uprising in the Tea Party. It's like the bailouts and now it's for about critical race theory and it's like, they're

absolutely going to ride this into, this is the new Tea Party and I think they're absolutely going to ride it into crushing in the midterms or if not crushing, I mean, this is, it may not work for them, but this is their strategy. It's like crony capitalism becomes woke capitalism. The Tea Party becomes, you know, this, you know, supposedly grassroots populist upswell and resentment and anger about kids being taught to, you know, hate white people, but like this is going to be their strategy. It's an old one and it's one that in the past has worked very well for them for negating

any of the advantage that a incoming democratic administration will have. I mean, we'll see. I mean, I don't, I don't know. I feel like, okay, for them to like take the house back in the midterms, they would have to, you know, what usually happens, the same people who vote for them always vote and then like less democrats turn up. And I think if you're like getting arrested at your kid's school board hearing, you are already voting for republicans in the midterm.

This is like a thing that excites people that will like, even the people who said like, oh, I'm never voting for republican again because they didn't like fight hard enough for Trump. It's like, yeah, they'll end up voting for it. They usually do. Remains to be seen if democrats can juice the turnout midterms, it's definitely got their work cut out for them with the voter suppression laws. I'd imagine they might have a little trouble because the selling point with Biden is sort

of antithetical to getting people to turnout. The selling point with Biden, the thing that people like about him is that they don't have to think about this shit. And voting in a midterm election definitely puts you in the category of someone thinking about shit. But I don't know if it will like, I don't know. I think it will like retain the people that they already depended on. I don't know how many new people this will juice.

I just, I don't, I think this is a great thing for the base. I don't think it has like massive crossover appeal, but they don't need that for midterms. But a key part of it is you don't really need that for midterms. I mean, a lot of it's going to come down to the economy. Like is there going to be a boom? Is it going to be another drop? I mean, who knows? And that is going to have a lot of determining.

And I'd say that if we're basically where we are now, like kind of treading water, they'll win just because yeah, all those people who stopped, got to go back to brunch because Biden won are going to stay there and all the people who are horrified by the Democrats doing what they do every fucking time when they take power and reneging on any promise to pursue anything more ambitious than Bob Dole's 1996 platform are going to also stay home and then the riled up CRT opponents are going to flood the polls and win. Yeah. I mean, I don't know if it'll be as successful as the Tea Party, I view it as basically the

exact same strategy of making the Republican base and their anchor at living under what they regard as an illegitimate authority of a Democratic president. They're going to channel it into what will be reported as a kind of genuine apolitical groundswell of anger. It's like a base motivation strategy, but it may work a little bit different. It remains to be seen how successful it is because with the bailouts and the Tea Party thing, like Obama was tied to that because he was the one who did a lot of it. It was his administration, whereas with Biden, it's harder to tie him to the kind of the

woke CRT stuff because he's so obviously not that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you think I'm off something. Sometimes he'll maybe try to use the language more and more, but it's always so led in and awkward. It's clear that it's not a natural fit for him. I'm in one of those lymph node spaces, man.

I'm centering all types of things. All right, well, let's leave it there for today. Till next time, boys. Till next time. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.

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