Chapo Trap House - 538 - 100% Gordon (7/5/21)

Episode Date: July 6, 2021

What’s one band you’re ALWAYS thinking about? We start asking some universal questions. Then, we take a pair of articles that again push the idea of Biden as a transformational progressive president and ask who are they for? Why do we keep getting these? Aren’t we all just eating ice cream? C’mon man. Finally, we turn to the federalist to learn about the “flyover women”.

I just, sorry, I'm still laughing at this, uh, the Oval Poffice tweet about the Miami Building Collapse. Yeah. We, we are heartbroken over the tragedy in Surfside, Florida. So many humans perished. Some of the survivors' pets are trapped in the rubble, too. These are Mia, Daisy, and Coco, not pictured big. Same condo as Daisy.

Another cat hippo and a chameleon named Grimlock. Um, it's just, yeah. Oh, the humanity! Yeah. It's like, yeah, like the Hindenburg happening and being like, oh, I did a sad, this is a, like I think we're going to find out like some dark truth with this account. This is like, this is like a veteran who did like a Bob Carey type thing. He's just got a bunch of tiny little skeletons in his closet and it's like, he's like, he

was non-verbal after remembering it and he, like he, they gave him a service dog and that's how he like got into this. He got into like, we rate dogs a chick and it's the only way he can communicate. Otherwise, he's just totally like mute. I think these, uh, these, these sort of, uh, accounts that, um, uh, sort of communicate the supposed thoughts of pets about their humans. It's like, it's filling the gap that John the Sun has left in, in the test scores. Yeah.

John the Sun like still, he's like, no, he stopped talking like that. I thought. Oh, well he stopped talking like that, but he's like, Johnny Sun's like the Jay-Z of Twitter. He's like a fan. Yeah. He sucks. He stinks.

He's, he's been shit for 15 years. He's like, no, he like, he made it. I don't know who the Beyonce of Twitter is, but like that's whoever he's dating. He like, he's the king, he like, he got all those books made. He's like a writer. He was a writer on like Bojack and shit. He like, that is the grand prize. All those guys who got like a hundred retweets in 2012 for posting like, you know, my therapist

is a dog and skateboards, ha, ha. Uh, they like, they were trying to be Johnny's son. They were like the Jermaine Dupri to his Jay-Z and it's like, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't like impeach his success. He's a win. Yeah. He won. He won the game.

Yeah. He's shitting on everyone. Johnny Sun's like caked up. He is. Now I'm imagining, for our earlier conversations, just when we got on, now I'm imagining a weird Al Jankovic, like getting him shot, like putting his shooters out, putting a couple stacks on him, getting his fucking SUV shot up. I really don't care, in fact, I wish him well because I'll be laughing my head off when he's

burning in hell. I guess like Johnny Sun, because he's more of an up and comer is like King Vaughn or someone. Well, weird Al is the real, we were laughing about, before we started recording, we were like talking about like, if weird Al parodied like a little Dirk song and he's like, well, why are people mad at me? Why is everyone yelling at me? Um, all right.

So let's, um, let's, let's do a little calisthenics. Let's do a little warm up, um, come, uh, this one comes courtesy of sort of, uh, uh, engagement farmer and music journalist, Eric Alper. I don't think you should call him an engagement. Like what about him is, these are just legitimate questions he asks for people. He wants to know. He wants to know. Yeah.

He wants to know. He wants to know. Yeah. Have you ever woken up like in the middle of the night and been like, what's one album cover that's way different than the music inside the album? Like, I wonder, those are the questions we've wondered since the dawn of man. Uh, well, I feel like, could you fill in the audience in case they're unfamiliar with Eric Alper?

Could you, could you describe him just a little bit more? I mean, like his main thing is asking, um, asking questions in 1968, a perfect child was born in Canada. Three years later, he had a horrifying brain injury that would cause him to have many questions about the world. Some would say this brain injury even represents like a new stage in human evolution, that he's sort of sidestepped, advanced past leapfrog, past 500 years of human mind development, to be the ultimate man and ask the true questions that we, we didn't even have the words to

describe yet. He is a serious XM radio host, which is the most respected job in Canada, and he will get on every day and ask these questions, well, you will stay awake for the rest of your life singing about this. He'll get on, he'll say, what's one song where you're always excited to hear the beginning of it? You know, what's, what's, what's one movie that you always watch when it rains? What's, well, who, who is an artist that you think would be weird to meet?

And people, people like really like all the 47 year old like Manitobans on Twitter are just like, this is fucking sick, Eric, you're the man, I love you, Eric. I mean, some of the genius of his questions is how like open ended they are. I mean, like, there's not really a specific, it's like, what's your favorite rock song with guitar in it? You know, it's just, it's, it's stuff like that. It could, it could really be like almost anything you can reply to, but like I'm just going to get, just like, yeah, you could, you could reply to reply to any of Eric Alper's

questions with music and you'd be right. Yeah. It's like, I'm just going to give you a little, a little, a little survey of some of, some of the stuff you post that's, that's not questions and then let's get into the questions. It'll just be a photo of Ringo Starr and then he'll just tweet peace and love Ringo Starr. That's a good message. And then that's a good message. People should see that.

A photo of Johnny Cash, still, Johnny Cash, still timeless. The idea of someone stop is no longer timeless. Like this guy was timeless for about 10 years and he stopped. And then, and then it just sort of like, like industry news, like, for instance, BTS has become the first act in music history to have 10 different songs reach number one on iTunes and at least a hundred countries. So just filling you in on some, some exciting news in the record industry. And then they also have some amazing dipping sauces, apparently, if you go to McDonald's.

And then there's something like this. It'll be a photo of Gordon Lightfoot and then he'll just caption 50% Chris Pratt plus 50% Brian Cranston equals 100% Gordon Lightfoot facts, facts, no, if you ever noticed, you never noticed how sort of like a soft rocker Gordon Lightfoot looks like sort of like Chris Pratt and Brian Cranston. Well Eric Alper's got you covered. Well, that's like he's, I really see his method. You know, I feel like a code breaker when I look at Eric Alper stuff because he's like,

he starts the day, he's got two very broad ones like, you know, oh, can't go wrong with Led Zeppelin, like Pink Floyd, they get really trippy, you know, like a picture of those guys. And then before he starts asking the questions, he like, it's an original. Those other two aren't originals. The next one is an Eric Alper original where it's like, here's something I only I have noticed. And then once you're fully warmed up, kind of like us, it's like, okay, time for questions. Well, then they suggest them some like general statements like not being okay is perfectly

okay. And you never hear elevator music and elevators anymore. And, you know, he's right on both counts once again. I got to say, I disagree with the first one because not being okay by definition isn't okay. If it was okay, it would be okay. The fact that it's not okay means literally means that it's not okay. That's the one thing it isn't is okay.

I also, I want to point out to anyone hearing this who gets confused and maybe they don't feel okay. If you feel bad, it is your fault. Absolutely. You should, you should just stop, it's a choice. Depression is a choice. Mental illness is a choice. That's what we're trying to say.

That's what Eric Alper is trying to say, too. Yeah, yeah. It's okay to not be okay because you chose to do that. Yeah, exactly. He agrees with me. All right. Let's get into some Eric Alper questions. Okay.

First one. What is one unwritten rule you think everyone should know and follow? Again, very, very open-ended questions. Yeah. You guys go first. An unwritten rule that I wish people would follow is when you give up your seat on the subway to a mother with children, I don't think the mother should give the seat to the child because, you know, they're okay standing longer than people.

I was giving the seat to you because you looked, you know, like you could use, use arrest. But giving it to a child is just like that's cheating. Yeah. The kid doesn't need to fucking sit down. The kid is just bursting with energy. Kid could fucking stand up. Their muscles are limber and their bones are new. Okay.

That's a good one. That's a good one. Matt, what do you have? Men should never be allowed to wear sandals in public. Facts. Okay. Says the croc. Mr. Croc over here.

Crocs are closed. Crocs are closed. The back is open, though. That's a slip on. It's the front. It's got holes in it. You can still see your toes poking out of those things, Matt. First of all, I use, first of all, I don't wear them that often.

Secondly, I usually have socks on. Okay. All right. All right. Okay. Okay. All right. Well, I'm trying to get into Eric's mindset of like very general stuff and I think I've

got one that like most people in their own experience would agree with. When you're putting on an inflatable PVC suit to get farted in and blown up like a balloon, the woman who's farting shouldn't look at her phone while she's doing it. Absolutely. I'm aware of your mom's calling. Thank you. Yeah. I'm paying you to fart in this suit.

I'm paying to get blown up like a big stinky balloon. It's like when we do that, we've all noticed it. The girl looks at her phone. We've all noticed it, right? Or a guy, I'm not here to judge, but when we do the PVC fart thing, it's always been like that, right? Yeah. Like, oh, sorry.

I didn't know I was boring you. Well, what? You've got something better to do than fill up my fart balloon? Yeah. You've got to suffocate me with your gas. By the way, they're not even big enough to stomp on me anymore. All right. Next question.

This is going back to his real wheelhouse, which is, of course, music. What's a great song that mentions do or don't in the title? It's hard to come up with an answer because it's too broad. I mean, like, the first one that came to mind was do the Bart man for me. I thought of a don't stop believing. Yeah. Don't. That's the one.

Do or don't. He's a genius. Okay. You come up with a do or don't or don't. It's harder than you think. That song from that thing you do is actually very catchy. That thing you do. There we go.

All right. Another question. Fucking murk. Just tearing through these. Okay. All right. What are these shitty fucking words? Can you think of a song with a verb in the title?

Yeah. Oh, I love him. It's like, no, honestly, it's hard to come up with an answer for this because it's like there's too many. Yeah, yeah. You could say like, oh, what's a song with a Paris in the title? Like, you would have like a smaller list to call from? Yeah.

All right. So next question. It's obviously coming off the big holiday weekend. It's the 4th of July. So who is the greatest American band of all time? I mean, again, just very, very broad question. Let a lot of a lot of a ride, a lot of things you can pull from here. The greatest American band of all time.

For me, it's got to be the Rolling Stones. Yeah. I'm going to go with Sepultura. The guess who. The guess who is like, man, I would have loved to have followed the guess who on tour. That was probably for like the fail hippies, right? Yeah. You weren't cool enough to, you were like, you kind of wore like a big rope necklace

with a like ceramic medallion on it that went down to your belly button. You were like unsure of yourself and it's like, I'm not like, I can't do the dead. I'm not cool enough. I have to do the guess who because I haven't acknowledged it yet. I do. I said the guess who because I'm, I'm wondering how many people are listening to this with a giant vein throbbing in their forehead yelling, they're from Canada. I know that.

I know that from Canada. That was the bit. I know Sepultura is from the nation of Latin America. I know that too. Rolling Stones though, all American founded in Manhattan, New York City. Also the birthplace of hip hop. That's correct. Next question.

What's the song that mentions a particular brand or product? I mean, like, this was like, no, that's not real. That's not real. You didn't know. I know. I don't make this up. This is a particular brand or product. And like, I don't even know.

I don't even have an answer to this because my answer is every rap song ever written. Yeah. What a fuck. What did he just, was he like hungover when he did this one? Even for Eric, this one's like so fucking broad. I can't even come up with an answer. Casey talk by NBA young boy. What's the brand like?

He talks about having a wraith. So like I said, every rap song qualifies to this. Every rap song mentions a luxury automobile, designer clothing label, an alcohol or a certain brand of a drug. I mean, some quote tweets are like, we've all seen the tweet deckers, right? Where it's like, there's a question like this that's like clearly geared up to a specific answer that's going to get really 80,000 retweets so someone can be like here, buy these like air pods that give you cancer.

But like this is, it's impossible to do like a funny answer to this one. That's what's so genius about like it's so fucking broad. Man, it's like, this one is like, it's even for Eric, it's blowing my mind how fucking broad this is. And it's good because as you said, you can't really goof on it, so you have to engage with it earnestly. Yeah, you're right. It's impossible to get like, it's too, you can't narrow anything down enough to get a

joke like there's no, it's just a broad ocean and you're trying to stick a flag at it. I think this is kind of Alper's brilliance is that like he does these quote RT things that make it impossible for the quote RT to get more juice than the original tweet because like you can't get any shots off on him because it's just like, here, listen to the, how about this question? What's a great song that mentions running? You know, like you are never going to do numbers off the fucking replying to that. And like to that end, you know, like quote tweeting, we all do it, but it's probably

like one of the worst things that could have happened to Twitter. And despite him being the most quote tweeted man in history, no one ever gets one over on him ever. All right. Well, here's the last one and then let's start the show. This is the best one in my opinion. This is the most open ended question imaginable. Okay.

Okay. Here we go. Which song never gets old? It's just asking you to think of a song that just like you think of a song in your head and then just, yeah, what's a song? What's a song that you like is literally like that. Yeah. It's like, why not just ask people what their favorite color is?

Awesome. I like, he's a genius. He's a genius. He should get like Canada's version of the MacArthur grant. He should run against Trudeau, the Trudeau bongler who ruined their response to coronavirus. I feel like if Eric Alper was prime minister, there'd be no blackface scandals because he's just been doing this for his entire life. He never even had the opportunity to dress up like another race.

And like he would have kept people at home by like, there would be like an Amber alert thing on your phone. It like buzzes horribly and you pick it up and it's like, what's it? What's something, what's a song that tells you to do something? You stay home all day thinking of it. Eric Alper is Canadian PM, you know, he's like changes his account like a little bit, you know, like sort of changes the thrust of the questions and he'll be like, what's a Catholic school that didn't do genocide in the 20th century?

They need change there. Like they're, they're fucked up. They need Eric Alper. I like, he got mad at Alex at low and option. I don't know. Oh, that surprises me. Yeah. I can't believe Alex is such a nice guy.

Alex did a podcast episode about him and Albert is like, thanks for doing a podcast about me. Then he listened to it and was like, wow, a lot of lies and assumptions. That's all I'll say. All right, well, I'm not trying to do any lies or assumptions about Eric. I think he's just like a curious man. Well, yeah, no. Like I said, I'm just, I'm trying to consider his questions and to that end, here's, here's

one last question. What's a podcast that has the Mexican drug lord at the title of it? Let's go. All right. Boom. Okay, let's start the show, we're off to the races. It's me, Matt and Felix. We've got our Alper, we've got our Alper brains on, we're doing good.

I guess I'd like to start today's episode with this poll from the New York Times. This is headline, in video, Exxon lobbyist describes efforts to undercut climate action. On the tape, made in a green piece thing, he described working with shadow groups to fight climate science and detailed efforts to weaken President Biden's proposals to burn less oil. I'm bringing up this story to start with because obviously I think it's an important story, but I think like it's going to provide some context for like the next thing I'm going to read.

So, all right, just the piece begins, the veteran oil industry lobbyist was told he was meeting with a recruiter, but the video call, which was secretly recorded, was part of an elaborate sting operation by an individual working for the environmental group Greenpeace UK. During the call, Keith McCoy, a senior director of federal relations for Exxon Mobile, described how the oil and gas giant targeted a number of US influential United States senators in an effort to weaken climate action in President Biden's flagship infrastructure plan. That plan now contains few of the ambitious ideas initially proposed by Mr. Biden to cut

the burning of fossil fuels, the main driver of climate change. Mr. McCoy also said on the recording that Exxon's support for a tax on carbon dioxide was a great talking point for the oil company, but that he believes the tax will never happen. He also said that the company has in the past aggressively fought climate science through quote, shadow groups. Nothing new here that I would assume this stuff goes on all the time, but it's interesting to have it confirmed in the paper of record. Just continuing, it says, we're playing defense because this is the lobbyist talking, we're

playing defense because President Biden is talking about this big infrastructure package and he's going to pay for it by increasing corporate taxes, Mr. McCoy said in the video call, but if the plan stuck to roads and bridges, the budget would be reduced greatly and limit the need for tax increases, a move that would save Exxon close to a billion dollars. The Exxon lobbyists also expressed skepticism over the idea of taxing carbon pollution produced by burning fossil fuels, a measure pushed by some Republicans as a conservative climate solution based on free market principles. Mr. Woods, Exxon's chief executive, has also argued that instead of an inefficient patchwork

of regulations in the United States, the federal government should instead simply tax carbon. Mr. McCoy seemed to contradict that position, nobody is going to propose a tax on all Americans and the cynical side of me says, yeah, we know that, he says, but it gives us a talking point. Alex Flint, executive director for Alliance for Market Solutions, which has led the push for a carbon tax, said his experience with Exxon's lobbyists was that they are, quote, genuinely committed to a carbon tax and realize that a lot of work needs to be done. So I think the interesting aspect to hear is that one, like, you know, their efforts

are focused on a number of Democratic senators that don't just include Joe Manchin and Chris and Sinema, but also that the sort of bipartisan infrastructure plan, which will, you know, focus on roads and bridges by to the detriment of doing anything about climate change. And that also the sort of compromise solution of carbon tax on fossil fuels is one that the people proposing no will never happen. So keep that in mind anytime anyone talks about a carbon tax or a compromise on global warming. So like I said, nothing exactly earth shattering here, but I want to, I just wanted to read

just a little of that article to frame what I'm going to talk about for the main part of the show, which is a new piece in New York Magazine by Rebecca Tracer about just going to headline here, Biden's big left gamble. The president is overseeing a sea change in the world of economic policy and so much hangs in the balance. So I mean, I think we all know how we feel about Rebecca Tracer. But I just think like the, this is part and parcel of the effort we've talked about for to portray the new Biden, the Biden administration as being a sort of transformative in its

ambition and the scope of their agenda, like on the scale of like FDR or LBJ and this kind of bemused take about, oh, like Joe Biden's the last guy we'd ever thought would govern like this, but here's how it happened. So I think it's important to understand what's going on in these pieces and certainly understand them in the context of that first New York Times article that I've just talked about, which is despite the fact that they're seeming to make noise about direct spending or infrastructure or sort of a Keynesian economic outlook, the party itself is still entirely captured by fossil fuel lobbyists and the people of that nature.

So any, like I said, like the grand ambitions in this infrastructure plan have already been scaled back at the request of these fossil fuel executives and they're doing it through Democratic senators, like I said, which include Chris Coons, Mark Warner, you know the list of people here. So let's just like, I think this is like a, there's a very long piece and it's Rebecca Tracer's attempt to sort of chart out, you know, how this bold new Biden agenda came to be. And let's see what we make of this.

In December 2016, progressive economist Heather Boucher, who had recently advised Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign, was trying to cheer me up. Sure, America had just elected Donald Trump, whose economic team consisted of six white guys named Steve. Boucher told me then, but the good news was that Clinton's economic team, which included several women and only three got white guys named Mike, had been planning infrastructure legislation that was half traditional bridge and road stuff and half unprecedented support for America's wobbly child, elder home and community care systems through a mandated

paid leave policy caps on childcare costs and increased wages for caregivers, long elusive feminist priorities. Even in the wake of a devastating loss, Boucher was confident that enormous shifts were taking place, ones that had been underway for some time. The Democratic Party, even its establishment leaders like Clinton had begun to move away from the centrist wall street driven approach that had characterized it for the past 50 years, towards a greater commitment to big public investment, the kind that came out of nowhere for gender and racial equality.

Those mics all understand the care economy, Boucher joked, and then some day there is going to be another Democratic administration. So an advisor to Hillary Clinton reassuring Rebecca Tracer on election night that had they been elected, the good guys would have been in charge and then eventually there will be a new Democratic administration and all of the groundwork has been laid for this new sea change in long sought after progressive policies. That's interesting, who's coming after Biden? That's an interesting question.

I mean, there are noises. Do you think it's Kamala? Is that what she thinks? Is that what she fucking thinks? Nobody thinks that. Even Democrats, they're like, well, God, this lady is not going to win and they're fine with that. Kamala is the only person who thinks it's going to be Kamala next.

It's incredible. I love dirty old Joe, just so mentally deficient, wandering around ice cream parlors. Anytime anyone asks him a question, he's like, come on, man, it's Harbor Day. He knows enough to be like, hey, Kamala, it's your job to go to the border. It's your job to take over this incredibly divisive, explosive issue. We have no solution for it. We have no solution for it. We've tried to snow you into thinking that we're doing anything about it.

This reality of the current American economy, that we have this spigot of people coming in, people whose countries we fucked up in one way or the other, they are fulfilling this need that all our companies have for illegally cheap labor, like paying people well below what they should be paid. We realize we have to have it because this thing has to keep going, but we can't have too much, we can't have too much because people get mad and we already don't have the safety net for anyone. You have to go there and say, just send us the right amount of people.

You're going to do that, Kamala, with your trademark ability to always say the right thing, to always come off in a way. Kamala goes in a room, she leaves. No one ever goes, what the fuck was that woman talking about? What kind of person even is that? What the fuck's up with her? No one ever says that. Everyone always thinks, wow, Kamala, that certainly is an appropriate time to just burst into

laughter. Yeah. No one's ever met Kamala and been like, that's the weirdest fucking woman I've ever met in my entire life. That's never happened. Props to Joe still has one trick in the book, this one. Yeah. He gave her the border and voting rights.

I should tell you everything about how much they actually care about achieving any kind of corrective to the massive voter suppression laws that are going on. Nothing's getting done. I did see, because pieces are starting to get planted in the press, and we're all been alluding to it about how top Democrats are saying that Kamala ain't it, and that she would lose to any Republican, or even Trump himself, should he run again, if she gets put out there. Then, of course, her defender, I've seen this spate of reactions to these articles being

like, oh, wow, what's changed that all of a sudden a vice president is getting all of this criticism and anger directed at them, and I'm like, I mean, Dick Cheney was vice president for eight years, and then you don't have to go back that far to find Dan Quayle or Spiro Agnew, it's just like being VP is like you're always, it's like either you can be a VP that nobody talks about, or you can be a VP that takes all the abuse for the administration that you're in. Then that's what Kamala's doing. She's taking all the abuse that should be meant for Joe and everyone else, and I would

feel bad for her, but it's like, hey, you got what you wanted, didn't you? I mean, it's not going to do anything for her. Joe is at like, Joe, he's at the numbers of one of those like Kyrgyzstan dictators who puts up like a giant bronze statue of himself that rotates all around the country. A giant bronze statue of the major. Yeah, Joe's at like 74%. He's at something crazy, and he's like that because like most of the people that voted for him, everything that's supposed to turn you off about Joe Biden, most of the people

who voted for him are like, I do that. That's cool to do. I smell hair. I like forget who people's names are, and I like, I just hang out in ice cream parlors all the time. It's all like the ice cream thing is perfect because like every time I see them do another photo op of him deep-throating a fucking ice cream cone, I just think this makes him look senile.

But for the nation's vast number of senile voters, they're like, I could go for some ice cream. Yeah, no, it's exactly like, you know, we like talking about George HW Bush because he was such a good bridge because he was the last guy really where Americans are like, no, I want someone who's better than me. That's what they thought about him. I want a cold patrician, like a guy who openly says something as cold as, I will never apologize for my country, right or wrong, after shooting down an Iranian passenger jet.

Then with Clinton, people wanted someone who was like them, who they thought was like them. Like George W. Bush, you go, oh, he's stupid like my dad. Vote for him. And with Biden, Biden's the highest end of that. He really reflects us more than Trump, far more. But it is amazing, like the amount of manpower put into convincing you you're seeing more than you're actually seeing. It's amazing.

This Tracer article, what is this, the 50th article like this? Yep. What the fuck is this? You were late to the party. They were writing these back in March. What's going on? Yeah. You're usually ahead of the curve.

What's up? Not on the email list anymore. What's up? Well, as, as the, as that early giddy rush goes away and they realize that, oh, all this really ended up being because everyone was sort of getting ahead of themselves and just imagining all the amazing stuff that Biden was going to do because of some leaked story about him getting full of horseradish at a staff meeting and going, yeah, let's do the new deal again.

But now they're, it's a little later and the wheels are grinding much more slowly and, and the Senate is doing its agonizing work and they're looking around to like, oh, all we actually got out of this is a fucking, is a helicopter drop of money that Trump would have done to and would have done earlier and nothing else. So now we have to get, we're going to get another round to reaffirm this narrative. There's already falling apart because they have nothing else. I don't think it's because Tracer has been left off the email list. I just think like Tracer is at a, at a higher level.

So she's got to come up with some real, some meat here. So she's doing this in July, 2021. Okay. It's like, you can stretch that vial a little bit longer and like, you know, a lot of this is based on, let's, let's go to some of the names of people. Tracer, Tracer is like, I guess, you know, other people like costs and all those people, they're like, you know, they're low levels, they're, they're not even button men. Tracer is like Al Neary.

You really stick, you stick her in there when you need a special job. I guess I guessed wrong. What does she say here? All right. Well, I'm just going to like, just go into some details here. It says, but she wasn't just going to wait around Boucher and Pyle, one of the mikes began hosting dinners for economists, lawyers and policy nerds who believe things needed to change. The dinners were held in restaurants in New York and San Francisco.

So already things are definitely going to really change with your gathering lobbyists and policy nerds at fancy restaurants in New York and San Francisco. You're going to get your ideas really outside of the box. Just walking by just seas of just openly dying homeless people, the people who put them there going to eat seafoam for $138. We're going to fix this. This is your, Boucher hosted a couple at her house in D.C. and cooked for the crew. Among those invited were Rohit Chopra, who had helped Elizabeth Warren set up the consumer

financial protection bureau, Wally Ademo, who had worked at the CFPB, Steph Feldman, a policy aide to Joe Biden, Angela Hanks, then at the Groundwork Collaborative, the Groundwork Collaborative, and Jennifer Harris of the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, Bharat Ramamurti, an advisor to Warren, and an antitrust specialist Lisa Kahn were also informally involved. So just running down the list here, that's three out of six people who are all from Elizabeth Warren's orbit. And then this is what Rick Chase is really up to, because I mean, you'll remember she was a true Warren partisan throughout two election cycles.

Yeah. So I'm assuming Boucher got all these winners around and was like, what's a policy that has the word do in it? That's like what she did. What's a piece of legislation that never gets old? I felt the inkling of some Warren bullshit when she was talking about like, you know, there's an economist who's like a little outside of Biden world, but with one toe in. It's like, who would that be?

And like, you know, I had forgotten myself. I haven't like followed Tracer that much since 2016. I remember this hilarious thing. It was in 2017. It was like after like Weinstein, like the Hollywood cabal was like, all right, we're going to give you Weinstein. And Rebecca Tracer had this thing that was like Harvey Weinstein was mean to me once like 15 years ago.

And then people were like, ooh, yeah, don't be mean to Rebecca Tracer. And it's like, yeah, that's why he went down. Yeah. That's why she wrote an article about him like three months after all the shit broke. Yeah. She could have shared it when it mattered. But like, uh, I did, but yeah, I am so like out of the loop with her. I thought like she didn't support Biden.

I know that who she like pulling in Castro, something stupid like that. But no, it's of course Warren. It's someone from Warren world. This is, I mean, like, yeah, this is like, this is going to be that this is what's going to be that we're going to form the bones of this new, uh, you know, the new, new deal like this, this new grand, ambitious shift in democratic politics is of course everyone who's been, who's been working for and voting for Elizabeth Warren. I mean, we know.

First step, first step, barber shops everywhere. Mirror is going to be converted into a barber shop. They're going to be DVDs for every barber shop. Yeah. You're going to have spider-man three Blu-ray in a frame. No mirrors though. You can look at the backs of fucking Blu-ray discs to check, to check out your fade is going.

That was amazing. And by the way, you know, fair is fair, the Bernie people fucking hire the barber shop guy. Why? Why? What did you see? You, I need this. We need this.

It was the DVD tack to the wall in my mind that made it perfect and that made those guys geniuses who needed to be supported in all their endeavors. If they had to hire the nude barber, they would have done better. Oh my God, the dude barber would, I don't think they could have got him honestly. Yeah. He's all about his paper. He doesn't give a shit about politics. His barber, you have to give him a special tax guarantee, like $80 a haircut.

The only, he has a local monopoly, the only nude cut in Chicago. He's got to be making $80 million a year. I'm just imagining politicians having to go to the nude barber shop for like, like photo, like fucking media hits or whatever, like, like Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden or Bernie Sanders getting the, he's like, you know, he's like, you know, you can touch my dick if you want it. I could feel your thing on my, my, my shoulder. Just kidding, man.

That's like, I feel like you could put Biden in the nude barber shop and he wouldn't like, he's the only guy who wouldn't be like, what the fuck is this? He'd be like, oh yeah, this makes sense that I'm here. He would start remembering things about how they used to be nude barber shops and I was growing up. What happened to him? These guys keeping it alive. There were some guys, there are some guys, they went to Korea, they're Marines, real

sturdy guys, about as wide as they were tall and you don't see them like that anymore. You see, you know, you put the milk on the doorstep, it's getting drunk, but the only way they could deal with what they had seen in South Korea was that they had to get naked to cut people's hair. You're right. There was someone who could do a nude barber shop media hit and not have it be a complete disaster. No, he would be totally cool with it.

He'd be smooth sailing. Love it. Love it. Yeah. Great time at the nude barber. Okay. Continuing in the article, a few of the people, a few of the people meeting in these groups were outsiders, exactly.

Some had already advised presidents, but many had been traumatized by the slow pace of economic recovery after the 2008 financial crisis and the decision to bail out banks while millions of Americans lost homes and jobs. Some were reckoning with their own roles in that recovery and the politics that undergirded it. Jake Sullivan, formerly Clinton's top policy advisor, wrote a 2018 piece in Democracy Journal arguing that Democrats had reached another turning point at which the recession had laid bare the failure of our government to protect its citizens.

Others were coming to the conversations out of movements for economic, racial, and gender justice. The approach they were taking, those looking to push the establishment from inside and those wondering how to make a new establishment, functioned like the professional classes version of a grassroots organizing. Skipping ahead here, unlike the young progressive politicians who have infiltrated the Democratic Party via primaries, these economists- Infiltrated, yeah.

That's how I'd put that. They infiltrated it by running as Democrat and having people vote for them primary. Looking at everything a Democrat would do, what a sneaky disguise. These economists are working to make change at the behest of the party's establishment. The president's hiring at many levels of his administration has been unexpected and diverse and not just in a Gina Haspel girl torturer way. He has injected new ideological blood, much of it from the lineage of his primary opponent Warren, who has long believed that personnel is policy.

Biden brought in these wonks to implement his economic agenda. He's bringing in this diverse crew of wonks, all from Elizabeth Warren's orbit. This is the new thinking. This is the new policy. It's new for the Democratic Party because if it's coming from Elizabeth Warren, it's just what Republicans believe 30 years ago. Yeah. Do you think Joe asked for wonks on purpose?

Do you think he probably said, give me some wonks. What was he actually asking for? We may never know. It was a racial slur. Yeah. Yeah. Give me some wonks. I saw some wonks on the Dumont Network last night.

Boy, those guys are sure dance. It is often said that Trump was saying the quiet part loud about his party's animating hatreds and eagerness to break democratic systems and about its willingness to run up enormous deficits on behalf of giant tax cuts for corporate America. Among other things, his bravado helped to put the Democrats' comparative timidity into stark relief. Now, we're saying the quiet part loud said, Wong, for example, that more antitrust regulation is good for America.

Politicians couldn't imagine even five years ago saying that out loud. They said that during Bush, they said that during Clinton, are you fucking high? This fucking dummy actually believes this shit. I can tell. I can tell. The Trump comparison is so instructed, though, because it's like he said all this shit and governed exactly like Marco Rubio. That's what they're actually doing here.

They're going to all get senators to quote to each other, going, antitrust is good. And then just do this. Yeah. Yeah. That's what they learned from Trump. If you just holler at the top of your lungs some shit that your base thinks they want, then you could do whatever you want and they won't even notice. It's awesome.

Yeah. Yeah. No, it's like now we're saying the quiet part out loud. I mean, we're not, we're not governing any differently, but we're certainly speaking louder. Yeah. But it's also like, this is the same like bullshit I would see when like Tom Daschle was majority leader.

It's like the more competition is good for America. We need antitrust. It's like, I've seen this, I've seen as a union membership gets decimated. Unions are good for America, like your boss, but also have respect. Unions are just getting fucking decapitated all over the country. We shall have a weaving wage. You know, wages don't go up. Too many, too many kumans are perishing over years.

Yeah. No. Yeah. Fuck off with this. In some ways, the Biden administration is edging towards something Democrats have been scared to do since the rise of Ronald Reagan, showcasing government as a salubrious force in regular people's lives. Reagan built his regime on racist sexist tropes about welfare queens sucking federal

dollars from a white middle class and told Americans that the nine most terrifying words in the English language are, I'm from the government and I'm here to help. For decades, Democrats ceded to those characterizations. Biden, in contrast, regularly frames the federal government as the force that stemmed to mass death and prevented economic survival through the pandemic. Shots in arms, checks in bank accounts. He publicly centers equity that government investment in housing, jobs, climate initiatives, and care work is good because it addresses racial and gender injustice and gives speeches

about employers needing to compete for workers by raising wages. Despite an unwilling Senate, he speaks with conviction about raising taxes on the wealthy rather than bailing out banks. For the first time since 1993, Biden's 2022 budget proposal did not include the discriminatory Hyde Amendment, which prohibits the use of federal insurance money to pay for abortions. There is, of course, a chasm between Biden's words, which are important, and legislative reality. Hyde will almost certainly wind up in the final budget.

Billions get slashed from infrastructure every time two senators brush against each other in a hallway. The chasm remains there, but the words, they're good. That's what matters, really. If you're Rebecca Tracer and people who read Rebecca Tracer, words are all that matters because it doesn't really, it's not going to affect you. That was so funny when they said the people coming together for this witch's covenant were traumatized by the response to the economic crisis.

You watch a movie and there's violence in it that you're fucking traumatized by the way everybody is nowadays. That's about it. That's the extent of your trauma. Your actual life, your bank account just keeps getting bigger. Your fucking 401K just keeps going up. That line sucked out to me as well, Matt, because the trauma that they're referring to is the trauma of maybe feeling some sense of sheepish embarrassment over helping to

alter the policies that led to the 2008 crash. But they're saying they're sharing these recollections at fucking fancy dinners in New York and San Francisco. They've been really fucking traumatized by the economic crash. Not like they're fucking got evicted from their house or anything. That's one policy you made that got people addicted to fentanyl. That's a good Eric Albrecht question, because if you come out of the Clinton one, the answer is it's open fucking ended.

You could say almost any one of them. I love that this really is not meant to be read by anyone, but people who are already totally on board, because it's like anyone else reads that these economists who worked for the Clintons and shit going to a restaurant called Sandal Beach in fucking San Francisco, walking by a guy just fucking bleeding out of his mouth, just tense everywhere and going, it was really hard watching the news last 30 years and what I did. Anyone else reads that, you start Googling like gun show loophole, but if you're already on board, you're like, damn, what a bunch of guys and gals.

Well, they're working to make things right. I hope they're even more dinners. Skipping ahead, Tracer writes, one of Biden's most salient qualities, perhaps what Francis Fox Piven meant when she referred to his, quote, sleazy politician vibe and others describe as his undeniable aptitude for retail politics, gives him another advantage. Joe Biden is good at being a politician. When ideological shifts are precipitous, said Claudia Sam, an economist who served on the Council of Economic Advisers under Obama, some people get very torn because they're

not fighting just an older generation, they're fighting their past selves. But if you're political enough, you just roll with it and pretend no one noticed. I don't get a lot of sense that from Biden that he's feeling bad and he shouldn't feel bad. Over the years, he has changed his mind on gay marriage and abortion, acknowledged that the drug laws he wrote wreaked havoc on families. We actually do want politicians to be responsive, at least to our side, said Dorian Warren. Politicians are supposed to constantly put their finger to the air to see which way the

wind blow, wind is blowing. It's our job to shift the wind. I mean, again here, it's like this acknowledging trauma thing, you know, it's like, well, Biden feels bad about those millions of people he put behind bars in the fucking 80s and 90s. Not doing anything about it. Yeah. But he's acknowledged it so I can feel better about voting for him and defending him online

all day. That really is like, when people are like, Biden's really surprised me. What they mean is like, oh, he's totally alleviated any social awkwardness I have from five years of like, no, honey, I'm done with old white men, despite going to Vassar and being a descendant of both the Warburgers and Otto von Bismarck. Five years of just being like, talking about ableism or whatever, and then Biden gets in there. He saw what you went through, the weir, the gulf between what you said and what you were

doing. And he's like, don't worry. I'm going to like, I'll do that thing where I say the same thing in a tweet 20 times. Well, I guess when it works for me to do it. I mean, there's like another telling line about how like, like politicians shouldn't have to fight their old selves or feel bad about it, you know, because it's like, that's it. That's amazing.

Yeah. We're empowering these people to fix the problems that they caused, that they directly caused. And then they're like, oh, well, in order to do that, they shouldn't feel bad about causing them in the first place. Joe Biden is like the forest gump of everything that went wrong for the past 40 years. Not went wrong was purposely done wrong. He's smiling at the side of every picture. And he wasn't necessarily the architect of all of these, but he was definitely there.

The ones who wasn't, he was still there making sure he got his fingerprints into the concrete so he could get like a windbreaker and a handshake out of the deal. Like this is not just, this is not just like a bystander to history. He's been everywhere. One of the ways the wind has changed in recent years is that it's not always blowing from the top. It's amazing. Joe Biden's not always getting top anymore.

He's getting blown into the fence. I crashed the Wraith. The road top is too sloppy. We all make mistakes. Joe Biden is the president because of organizing that originated not with his party, but with voters and activists long ignored by Democrats. He seems to have learned from that. To see that black women and indigenous people and poor people and Latinos and Asians delivered

states that he never thought he could win, said Jayapal, he has turned out to be somebody who learned things that probably would contradict things he did in the past. I think it's literally impossible for him to learn things. At this point, he's too busy having perfect mimetic recall of the taste of a root beer float and the sensation of a handjob in a 57 Bonneville that he had when he was a kid to have any new information absorb into his brain. Yes, sir. I would love to learn the word Latinx, but I'm remembering the exact contours and depth

of my mom's birth canal and the smell of her secondhand cigarette smoke as he was being born. Ah, Chesterfields. Yeah. They always said those were the healthiest to get secondhand smoke from. Jumping on the head a little bit. This is a very long piece. I'm just going to see if I can sprint to the end here.

In winning the White House in this moment, Biden signed up for a big job and it remains unclear whether he's up to it. Can he keep up with it? That's really one way to put it. You could say the same thing about him like making a pot of coffee, going for a walk alone. Can he capably oversee a transition into a new era of progressive economic policy, one that many in his administration have been working toward for more than a decade, or maybe the pressure to make Biden the Reagan of the left is misplaced.

As Dorian Warren hypothesized to me, if we are indeed in the midst of the crumbling of the old neoliberal conservative order, it's possible that the stage we're in now is an interregnum of some kind. Yeah, an interregnum between a Democratic president and a Republican one. Some posits that the only way forward is the natural ascension of the next generation. This has to go in stages, she said. You have to have people like Heather and Jared, who can get close enough to the establishment, to be that transition.

Then you have to have people like Lisa Kahn. Normal transitions take time. Some days I'm like burn it all down, but in general, progress is slow and painful. That's her talking to her landscapers. Who the fuck are you talking about burn it all down, you're it. Burn it all down. Where would you go to work? This is all you've ever fucking done.

What are you talking about, you fucking dumbass. Oh my God. I think it's like these people really think they think that. It's amazing. Yeah, because they only talk to each other and they all have a vested interest in maintaining this delusion and so they just spit it into each other's space all day long. Finishing it out here, it says, we do not have time. One senior member of the administration describes what keeps them up at night.

This is an economic policy strategy that hasn't been undertaken in 40 years. Getting undertaken in a moment that is so unprecedented. Getting that transition right, they said, is so important. Letting it breathe is so important. The way we handle ourselves in this situation is so important. Getting it getting it getting progressive economic policy right is so important. And there is so much from Senate obstruction to supply chain blockages to the logistical challenges of implementing new ideas that could go wrong.

Joe Ups would harm millions of Americans, the planet, and Joe Bodden's legacy. God forbid, millions of Americans and the planet get harmed in the process. Joe Bodden's legacy could also get dinged. You know what is the most fucked up thing? I feel like it wouldn't. No, it'd be fun. It'd be fun. No.

His legacy is assured. He defeated Donald Trump. That's it. That's all he needed to do. He will be remembered positively by like most Americans just for that simple fact alone. Oh, yeah. I mean, especially because it's like, think about the Democratic bench after him. Like, who the fuck did they have like Eric Swalwell?

Are you fucking kidding me? Cory Booker is not walking through the door. No, no. Cory Booker won't be having his much fantasized about White House wedding. It goes, uh, and Joe Biden's legacy. But they could also halt a crucial and overdue turn of the Democratic party away from its compromised past, it's not a compromised past, it's past. That's the Democratic party.

They didn't compromise shit. It was one of those compromises where I did everything I wanted to do. They are having their pie and eating it too, like Megan McCartle says here, away from its compromised past and towards a more humane future. This is an extraordinary moment, the official said. It couldn't be higher stakes, but if something goes wrong, we're going to discredit everything that many of us have been working towards. I like, like, in that last, in the last statement of that quote and the piece, it's just sort

of like, it's an assurance for the people reading this who may be asking themselves, like, why aren't I seeing any more of this progressive economic policy and the sea change away from a neoliberal Democratic party to a more humane one? Well, the answer is they're working on getting it exactly right. Because if they fuck it up, I mean, then things could really go wrong for this country. Imagine that. And the last part of it is so great because it's baked in either way. If it does happen and it's not far as far as you'd like it to be, it's like, oh, well,

we have to get it exactly right. If there is not another Democratic president for another 12 years, it's like, oh, well, we accidentally discredited it because people fucked up. It's like defund the police. It's like, yeah, you have an admittedly unpopular slogan, but you are able to go back in time and paint every Democratic party fuck up with this. Right. And so it just becomes this truism that any time a Democrat fails, it's because of defund

the police. So for now, now that we're done with that one, we can have, you know, we were walking on a tightrope. We were keeping all these plates in the air. They fell down. Not exactly our fault. This time we'll go even slower. So there we go.

That was Rebecca Tracer on Joe Biden's big gamble on the left. Let's see. Let's see if it pays off. Huge gamble. Massive. You know, I mean, it's high risk, high reward, baby. The best type of gamble. The one where you don't lose anything.

Yeah. Being the house rules, what is it they always win? Yeah, the win casino really needs that they're coming to terms with the compromises they made with their guests in the past. The Mohegan son's big bed on blackjack. Let's close out the show by talking about women. That's right. That's right, fellas.

Let's talk about the ladies. Let's talk about respecting females. And let's talk about respecting females from the perspective of the federalist.com. That's right. The federalist. It's been slim pickings at the federalist for a while now, but occasionally always worth a glance in and what's going over it there. What I regard as by far the horniest conservative news opinion site by far.

And I think this article here is a good indication of that. This is courtesy of the federalist. This is meet the flyover women. Pop culture ignores. The flyover woman understands her womanhood and motherhood deep in her bones and doesn't see maleness as a goal to achieve or person to conquer. This is by Carrie Gress. And I was going to read here the bio.

Carrie Gress is a fellow at Ethics and Public Policy Center, a mother of five. She has a doctorate in philosophy from the Catholic University of America and is the author of several books, including The Anti-Mary Exposed, Rescuing Culture from Toxic Femininity, and Theology at Home. She is the editor of the online women's magazine TheologyofHome.com. I love the book The Anti-Mary. I mean, these Catholics, they've come up with a new anti-Christ and it's The Anti-Mary. It's every fake bitch out there.

And I do. I mean, I would like to see what the article has to say, but I would like to counter with the subheadline. I would say about 60% of culture is for these women. Well, yeah. Have you watched the NBC Nightly lineup? It's a very specific... I mean, the use of that term flyover woman is doing a lot of work to make it seem like the vast majority of American women are Catholic theology at

home bloggers. Okay. All right. So, this is Carrie Gress writing in the Federalist, adherents of radical feminism are five decades into a powerful campaign that seeks to shape the way American women think. Politics, fashion, Hollywood, academia, and media propagate a singular vision of womanhood, relying on savvy use of optics, messaging, and even makeup. These radical feminists have done a remarkable job of silencing or sidelining their critics.

Now, just like opening salvo here, it's one of my favorite moves in sort of conservative culture war adjada or polemic is that they start out with a statement of something that's generically true that feminism and it's sort of... it's morals and codes of behavior has over the last five decades grown to dominate things like the entertainment industry and fashion in superficial ways. She's saying they've created only one model of womanhood and they punish any deviation from this. That's my job.

That's my favorite thing about this type of point is they're just angry that there's competition in the... there's only one way to be a woman lane of discourse. Ironically, whether they know it or not, feminists unspoken premise insists men are superior to women and women must become like them in pursuit of equality. Therefore, to be equal, women must be able to eliminate the consequences of sex like men and rid themselves of unborn children through unrestricted abortion. Abortion is the crux of most women's policy issues and is at the heart of the greatest political divisions in the United States.

What we will never see in the splashy pages of Vanity Fair, for instance, are the many happy women who buck the feminist narrative, loving, nurturing, consoling, clothing, cleaning and adoring their numerous children without trying to live like men. From Maine to Hawaii, these are the women who have opened themselves up to the dramatic and self-sacrificial love required when one person truly loves another. They carry children in their wombs, their arms, their hearts, their minds. They know the preciousness of a tender embrace from small arms, a little face leaning to offer kisses, the peppering of questions from a curious child, and the dig deep challenges

of teenagers, sometimes all in the same hour. Some know the struggle of children with broken bodies or broken minds, or both, and some know that the gaping hole that will never be filled when a child or children are lost. But among them all, there isn't a single regret in bringing another soul into the world. I mean, I know this is talking about the women you won't read about in the pages of Vanity Fair, but I mean, having a kid is still a pretty common experience. Yeah. No, it's one of the most popular activities to do.

I mean, the sense of oppression that this person feels is that they are one of the women that they don't like, and that they are in that bubble of where career women go and where these questions are always being debated so fraughtly. And so there just is this yearning to imagine some other woman who's living a life that isn't just overcome with all of these questions and that isn't overawed by the necessity of engaging in employment and making the trade-offs of being a career person. And it just boils down to wanting to do it, but really, I mean, if you really wanted to do it, you could.

And if you didn't want to feel oppressed by the culture, you really could not engage with it. I mean, the thing is, is that what's really compelling people to do things that they don't really want to do either way, whether it is raise a family that they're not ready for or for go raising a family that they would like to is the coerciveness of the market. That's what's actually the oppressing force here. But that's the thing that nobody at the Federalist has the ability or desire to point out. So they just have to continually rail against this culture that they think is oppressing

them because it's the only thing that they can address. Yeah. Like, is the American economy ready to lose half the workforce to uphold so that women like Carrie can be in Vanity Fair? I don't think so. Well, you couldn't if you wanted to. Even if it wasn't an issue of needing workers, people need to fucking make money. The nuclear family with a division of labor between domestic and outside, one of them

compensated by the market, the other uncompensated, it was a historical artifact that has been destroyed by neoliberalism and it is no longer viable for huge numbers of people. And that is the context where all of this culture were bullshit about femininity and child-rearing is happening in and it's the actual determining factor. But the reason that things like the Federalist exist is so that we could talk about something other than that. I think the Federalist's whole thing is that they just want to be in Vanity Fair. Like, that's it.

Yeah, exactly. It's like what Trump, it's like Trump doesn't hate the Hollywood sickos. Trump doesn't hate the mainstream media really. He hates them only because that they won't accept him and embrace him. And it's the same thing. They want a culture where they dominate. That's it. They want to be affirmed.

They don't actually give a shit about living these values. They just want to be validated by the culture because we're all fucking narcissists and we needed to reflect ourselves or else we're not real and our lives aren't real. Carrie continues, while the Huffington Post just announced that child-free women are having a bit of a moment in the media, one wonders what they think the last 50 years have been. Flyover women are the moms and daughters and wives and sisters and friends. The media overlooks because they are religious or frumpy or don't have sexy day jobs. They are considered uneducated doormats.

Their bodies are often tired, hair not always perfectly quaffed, and nails rarely manicured. Their homes may not be camera-ready, their meals probably aren't gourmet, and talking points aren't ready on their tongues. But mostly, the issue is that they don't believe in abortion and they do believe in the sanctity of marriage. I love how much she runs these women down. Yeah, she's like, they smell like shit. They can't even, they're one job of making the home nice and cooking good meals that

they give themselves. They're not even good at it. Yeah, that's how you can tell that this is from such a distance. This is so contemptuous and condescending, is that she's just imagining these smelly hill people, these simple noble savages out in the hinterlands, just shooting kids out of them. They're the fucking Schlitterbahn and just no connection to it at all. That's the amazing thing about it is there are people like this, sort of like soul and

religiously minded people who pump out a bunch of kids, but it's like, okay, it sort of reminds me of when Eric Adams, when he did really well, we don't know if he won yet, fingers crossed, people are like, oh, these black voters are rejecting wokeness, and it's like, no, you think of everything on a woke or unwoke continuum. Other people don't. There may be individual things that they like or dislike, but they're not, because they're not media hyper consumers, they're going, oh, this is like a seven on the woke scale, this is a three.

They just know that like, okay, when Maya Wiley talks, she's like, I don't, just doesn't work with me. I like this weird guy, I'm a fucking weird New Yorker who works at Forest Hills, Beef Tenderloin Warehouse, that's my business. But it's like, they're making decisions on their own metrics that are of importance and relevance to their own world that you clearly don't understand. They're not lit, they're not litigating like you're the way that you view media. Just like when you do meet like sort of like a religiously minded person who has like a

bunch of fucking kids, they're not like, oh, I work so hard making my disgusting meals and raising my ugly kids, but like, why can't I be, why can't my life be on Netflix? No, they never think about that. And also, the assumption here is that if you had kids, if you have had a child by definition, you're pro, you're anti-abortion, the majority of women who have abortions already have at least one child. Yep. Yeah.

I mean, also like Matt, like he said, like, just how flagrantly she shits on these women, she's supposed to be uplifting, it's just like, yeah, these frumps with crack nails, you won't turn off the flash when they fucking photograph the food gore that they're fucking shoveling out to their awful fucking kids on Instagram. These women may look disgusting, serve disgusting foods, their houses are dumps, their pussy feels like a cup of water left out in a room overnight, but I like them. Because they agree with me about abortion, I assume. Yeah, exactly.

These unseen and unknown women are the flyover women found in every American state. They're unknown to someone here. Yeah. Yeah. They're unknown to you. When's the last time you fight? Wait, is this, is this one of those federalist writers that hasn't left, like, false church Virginia her entire life?

Really fucking sounds like it. Because they've been called bigots, lectured to, condescended to, and ignored by those who consider themselves morally superior. More than anything, these women, I mean, like, this broad carry, I mean, she regards herself as morally superior to just about every human being on the planet. I mean, isn't that like, like the whole point of being super religious? I mean, that's like what it gives you. That's like, that's the funny thing, like the, the woke, unwoke thing has been like,

kind of a boon for conservative media because it is like, a lot of the, a lot of this stuff are the way of putting this stuff rather is like, broadly unpopular with a lot of people. But like the central thesis, you know, don't you hate it, people telling you how to live your life and think and judging you. It's like, that's you, dude. Yeah. That's what I mean. That's what I mean about it.

It's all you've ever done. It's like, like, they're, they're, they're finally facing competition in the market of fucking like, annoying scolds. Yeah. Finger waggers. I love it when an annoying religious person is like, wokeness is like a religion. Yeah. No shit.

They're kind of giving up the game there. It's the competing religion. You don't get to complain about that. Yeah. Get in there. Yeah. Ford thinks Chevy is evil. He's like, I just want to sell you cars.

Yeah. We're selling you a lifestyle. Yeah. More than anything, these women actively reject the ideology continually advanced by radical feminism. They are tired of the same Marxist effort to reimagine human nature as anything it wants to be. They reject all the latest Marxist fads propagated with clever sound bites, high end advertising

and popular hashtags. These, these, yeah, like the, the, the frumps of America's flyover country, if there's, if they're doing one thing in between preparing food gore, they're actively rejecting the latest Marxist fads and hashtags. Yeah. These ugly bitches hate the labor theory of value because you're a flyover women. I mean, it's, it's already like an insult. Yeah.

A flyover woman is a woman, you just, you, if you're passing by, you don't even look twice. Yeah. That's what they're, yeah. No. Just like dirty, flat land, barefoot, hogs. We call them flyovers because that's what's flying over their heads are fucking horseflies because they stink.

Yeah. Because they smell bad. There's flies over them. I love how like, yeah, descriptive it gets about how like frumpy and shitty they are. Like just pure, like this woman would not even like, would not even look one of these people in the eye. Flyover women know feminist ideology is the weary set of ideas that led us to a country in which millions of women are desperately unhappy and many are hard pressed to actually

define the word woman. There is no happiness in an ideology that foments narcissism, self-absorption and isolation from the basic cell of civilization, the family. Millenia deeply confused culture would seek to replace the word mother with birthing person or breastfeeding with chestfeeding. The flyover woman understands her womanhood and motherhood deep in her bones and doesn't see maleness as a goal to achieve or person to conquer. She knows she needs men.

She knows as women have known for millennia that being a woman is synonymous with carrying something. Yeah. It's called a purse. It's called a purse. Ladies, don't go anywhere without them, all right? These frumpy bitches are always carrying some bread somewhere. They're great.

Women traditionally have been seen as a kind of vessel that transforms whatever it holds. Is that how women have been traditionally seen? I don't know. We see it in the romance languages where words like ocean, ship and oven are feminine. This is why boats are named after women. That's not the case. I don't... Yeah, this analysis is running off the rails here. I don't think it's just... But boats are named women because it's just guys are on

them for months at a time going insane from being horny. Yeah. That's why. They invented mermaids because they saw a fucking narwhal and were like, dude, that's definitely a chick. I'm going to fuck it. Women are also known for their tenderness, compassion and care for others. This isn't accidental, but part of our ability to hold others physically, mentally, emotionally

and spiritually. When these gifts are rejected, women suffer, men suffer, children suffer, the whole of society suffers. We are living amid a tremendous societal experiment that is revealing dramatically what happens when you denigrate the most fundamental beautiful and tender bond on earth, the bond between a mother and child. When that is destroyed, it doesn't take long for the rest of civilization to follow the same path as we now witness daily.

There are a lot of flyover women out there. Many of us feel alone, overwhelmed, exhausted and unseen. We will continue to raise our families as best we can, however imperfectly navigating the constant messaging and policies out of step with our values and beliefs because we know that without strong families, what's left of civilization will collapse overnight. Maybe people should be able to have kids then. Maybe they should not be made into fucking serfs as soon as they are brought into this world, perhaps.

I just, yeah, I love this shitty thinking here. Why are so many fewer women having kids? Is it that 90 million American women went to Oberlin or the New School? Or is it that they can't afford it? It's a difficult map here. It was sex in the city. It just looks so glamorous. Living in Manhattan.

All that shit, all the stuff that these people get mad at, needs to be understood for what it is, which is cope. You cannot start a family. You have to have a job. Well, if I have to, then I should get the same wages as a man, then I should be treated the same way in the workplace, and I should have the same goals, and I should orient. What else are you supposed to do if that's your only opportunity for you to keep a fucking roof over your head?

Well, Matt, I mean, you say that, but have these women considered becoming sacred vessels for them? They're saying, that's good work. If you can get it, well, there we go. I'm just saying, I just love the concept of the anti-Mary. I think I'm going to look further into this woman's book because I need to know about like, there's the anti-Christ, but there's an anti-female out there as well. It's the anti-Mary.

There's Mary's out there and anti-Mary's. The anti-Mary's have got to go. She's a disgusting sexual aunt. If Mary's a holy mother, there's an unholy aunt. There's a new meaning for the term agony aunt. Well, there we go. I think that does it for today's show, gentlemen. Indeed.

Yes. All right. Well, until next time, fellows. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. In a musty old hall in Detroit, they prayed in the Maritime Sailor's Cathedral. The church bell chimed to the rank 29 times for each man on the Edmund Fitzgerald. The legend lifts on from the Chippewall, down of the big lake they call Getchagumi.

Superior, they said, never gives up or did, when the gales of November come early.