Chapo Trap House - 680 - Chapo Blue (11/14/22)

Episode Date: November 15, 2022

We’ve got more midterms wrap up as Dems clinch the senate, Kari Lake goes down in Arizona, and Blake Masters’ school shooter campaign ads resurface. Then, we round up the first few weeks of Elon�...�s Twitter takeover and the FTX collapse, two more massive frauds of the billionaire class apparently destined for self-destruction. Finally, a eulogy for one of the Grand Broads of conservative media.

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Starting point is 00:00:30 So, Felix, feel like this, over the weekend, I visited Minnesota's largest candy store. And I figured I was thinking of you the whole time. Is that we're going to winter this year? I hope. What kind of candies did they have there? Did they have any local favorites? Oh, God, yeah, they had like every kind of candy. Like I said, this isn't like a giant barn or they keep having to add more silos onto
Starting point is 00:00:57 this barn. They have Ubecha, Minnesota's local mints that come in the largest tin, the largest tin of mints that is commercially available in the United States, is Minnesota's Ubecha brand of breath mints. So they got all kinds of Japanese candies. They got every conceivable form of candy known to man in this barn. But it's only open seasonally. So it was closing in a week.
Starting point is 00:01:22 So when we went there, it was like mobbed with Minnesotans, checking out with like fucking like shopping carts full of candy to get them through the winter. Yeah. No, that's that's one of the only places left where candy is seasonal. You have to get all your candy for the year in like November. Well, I mean, when I went there, I was only thinking of you because it's two of your favorite things are candy in the state of Minnesota. That's it.
Starting point is 00:01:45 That is a Great Lakes classic, though, like seasonal marts besides Halloween, Mania or whatever the fuck that store is called. You know what I'm talking about. Spirit. You know what I'm talking about. Spirit Halloween. Halloween, Mania. You know, you know it, man.
Starting point is 00:02:03 Spirit Halloween. Okay. We have Chris Kringlemart in Chicago, which is a good hearted celebration of German culture. It's a seasonal German Christmas market outdoors in the winter, the kind that used to that used to exist before the time of Adolf Hitler and other evil men. Well, anyway, I had a nice weekend in Wisconsin and Minnesota. Shout out to everyone in the upper Midwest. You know, Chalpo fucks with you.
Starting point is 00:02:37 We're rolling hard for the lakes of this country. But I guess let's just start just a little bit more midterms action. The Democrats picked up a seat in the Nevada in the Senate, so they don't even need Warlock now. Bye-bye, Warlock. Nice knowing you. They defended that seat. They picked up the seat in Pennsylvania.
Starting point is 00:02:58 CCM, the fake Latina, actually was the incumbent defending her seat. So they have 50 in hand going into Georgia. But again, I do think, you know, I think all factors favor Warlock. I do expect Warlock to win the, well, I'm sticking with that prediction. We'll see who gets the gay potion up on this particular. I'm willing to get a gay potion for my faith at Herschel Walker. Do you guys know this about the candidate who lost in Nevada, though, the challenger to the incumbent?
Starting point is 00:03:29 Laxalt. Yeah. Did you know this is actually, this is actually crazy. He's Pete Dominicci's bastard. Yes. Yes. Who is Pete Dominicci? He was raised by the Laxalts, which is like a political dynasty in Nevada.
Starting point is 00:03:44 Paul Laxalt, who is like fake grandfather or something, was like one of Ronald Reagan's big backers and helped make him president. And yes, they raised a New Mexico senator, uh, Dominicci's bastard kid as their own. It's amazing. It's some gay throw shit. It's like he's one of the gray joys sent to winterfall. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:05 He served under a cadet house and I guess he would be legitimized if he had won this election, but no. Yep. Sorry. Still a bastard boy. Did we decide on the Beltway episode that the Game of Thrones bastard's name for Nevada would be chips? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:20 That's it. Chips. Chips loses to, uh, well, I guess, what would a fake Latina be in the Game of Thrones world? Uh, Captain from Volantis. I was, I see, uh, yeah, like, uh, it wasn't, wasn't Rob Starks ill-fated wife, um, sort of, uh, uh, a latin style, uh, uh, yeah, she was from Volantis. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:45 Volantis. Yeah. Like, uh, uh. My, my Dominican friend, uh, pointed out, uh, she's been watching, uh, House of Dragons and she pointed out that all the characters, their names seem Dominican, like all the names that are like, you'll, you'll, you'll Karnas Targaryen, um, like I said, the other thing is, uh, uh, this was sort of a surprise to me. Uh, Carrie Lake, uh, lost the governor's race in Arizona if that's, that's what it
Starting point is 00:05:11 looks like now. What? No. She was a, she's a freaking smoke show. Yeah. I thought she was going to be, this is no good. I thought she was going to be, I thought she was going to be the one. I thought she was going to be like the one big, uh, Trump candidate to, uh, to show out.
Starting point is 00:05:26 But, uh, no, Carrie Lake, uh, looks like she lost as well. Um, Blake master is officially lost. Um, I mean, the post mortem, I agree with you, folks. The post mortem on that campaign is like, I would, yeah, like you said you would read like a Robert Carrows, like three to like Tomes, uh, detailing everything that went into the Blake master Senate run. The decision to take a video, just take a video of him just shooting a suppressed pistol in the desert.
Starting point is 00:05:52 Like he's like, he's like, he's fucking Dylan, uh, Harris getting ready to fucking walk into Columbine. Amazing. This is a Walther PPK, uh, I've wanted this gun for a long time. Ever since I was a little kid, made in Germany, 007 gun. Why would you not want this silencer? Sometimes get a bad rap. People want to pretend that it makes it easy to commit crime or something like that.
Starting point is 00:06:15 But actually shooting with a silencer just makes it a whole lot more pleasant. Wow. Whisper quiet. It's pretty cool. Made in Germany. Yeah. There was so much active shooter behavior, like the, the picture he posted right before the election where he's in the car with, with the rifle.
Starting point is 00:06:42 Yeah. He's in the passenger seat, he's in the passenger seat of a car and there's like a fucking assault rifle next to him. And he's like, gearing up for the last days, where you go to a polling, how to do a democratic polling precinct. What's going on? How to go to a, a Markelle's office. I was mutuals with him since the primary, you know, I followed him back because I'm
Starting point is 00:07:04 like, oh, let's see how this plays out. Because I already, you know, just based off gut, I did think he was going to lose that Senate election even before Dobbs, but I wanted to see how it went. But even in my wildest fantasies, nothing I imagined could be as in inept and intranetty as what he actually did. He would like put out campaign flyers that were like, you know, hey, everyone say your Blakemasters Groyper name. It's your first and your last name plus Blakemasters Groyper and voters resoundingly said, I don't
Starting point is 00:07:37 know what the fuck you're talking about. I've seen, I've seen a lot of bit of the, a bit of the salt from the, the, the Blakemasters supporting contingent when like the post-mortem just seems to be, you, we cannot run a guy this weird again. Like we cannot, we cannot run a school shooter for Senate. There's just everything about this guy is off-putting and creepy. And a lot of them have just been posting photos of Blakemasters with his wife and kids to be like, I don't know what's weird about this.
Starting point is 00:08:04 And it's like having a family doesn't exempt you from being weird and a creep. Like it just, in fact, you can get them on the dark side of the marriage. It's not difficult. Dennis Rader head of family. Yeah. Exactly. And I guess like, you know, like a week on now from the midterms, I suppose, where we're left is like, look, it is, it has been, it has been very, it's felt really good to see
Starting point is 00:08:31 the Republicans eat shit and then whine and complain about it. Like that feels good and like there are very few things in the news that make you feel good these days. But, but unfortunately, like, you know, the, as that, as, as the high of that wears off and you know, like we're just licking the baggie a little bit, you know, in Twitter replies, trying to, trying to, trying to gin up some salt here and trying to just rub it on your gums. I mean, we are, we are left now with just back to the old depressing reality of American
Starting point is 00:08:58 politics, which is like, you know, like the Democrats, I'm sure will learn their lessons from this and, you know, change going forward. No, I mean, the fact that they, the fact that they were just gifted this, this, this great result for them largely because of the Dobbs decision means that they're going to be even less, less inclined to ever, ever function as any kind of party that's worth, worth actually voting for. They can't, they can't, it's not optional. They don't get to choose.
Starting point is 00:09:26 There's, they do not get to change direction. The, it is all determined. There's no party. There's no steering wheel in the Democratic Party. There's no way to take it over and change the way it goes because there's no way to make these people do anything that they don't want to do. They will do what protects them like what you saw in New York, how they, they, New York is the reason that they're, that they're going to lose the house.
Starting point is 00:09:47 And it's because the New York state Democrats were not going to do anything that, that they perceived as undermining their own power base. It didn't matter that that undermined their ability to win races. That doesn't matter. That doesn't matter to them. They're specific and individual power base within the party is what matters. And they, so even in the face of, hey, what you're doing is going to lose races. You're going to lose power.
Starting point is 00:10:13 They don't, that doesn't compute. They would probably prefer to gain power, maybe, although who knows that what matters is that, that they cannot act differently. There is no force to coordinate them in any interest other than their own most narrow self self-perceived interests. That's the only thing Democrats in this party and in power and in office can do. Well, I suppose then we, one shouldn't feel bad at all for enjoying Republicans eating shit because it means it doesn't necessarily mean anything for the Democrats because if
Starting point is 00:10:47 they had one lost draw, they would behave exactly the same way. Yes. Defeat, victory or dead draw as we've come out with now. Yeah, the reason they have all these guys, these guys like fucking David Shore and these dudes, it's like McKinsey, they're there to tell them that what they want to do anyway is the right move. That's always it. They're not deciding what to do.
Starting point is 00:11:10 They're making self-interested decisions and then finding people in the media and in the pundit sphere and among consultants to affirm that that is the right thing to assure the rest of us that they know what they're doing. It's interesting because among Democrats that overperformed on Tuesday, I would split them into two camps. Some are, yes, people who were gifted this, while others are people who in some sense understand what time it is and understand some things must be done in order to keep doing this.
Starting point is 00:11:44 The problem with the latter, of course, is that in order to do that, in order to keep delivering things or otherwise win elections like this in years where there isn't any dobs, so much has to happen. Matt talked about how they can't do all these things. For that latter group, they would need to have an executive that would just ignore the courts or deliberately weaken them. You would need the Federal Reserve to be a different thing than it is now. You would need a lot of different things.
Starting point is 00:12:18 Unfortunately, for that latter group, they really don't get to decide those things. It's a whole set of things that you see that's partially from the left liberal warrants supporting people who are like, okay, now in the lame duck session, let's add DC and Puerto Rico as states. You know that's not going to happen. Yeah. Well, I think this will be a theme for today's episode, but we're already seeing the rug pole coming for the student loan forgiveness, like, oops, that's unconstitutional.
Starting point is 00:12:52 Biden just said today that, sorry, we just don't have the votes for a federal abortion legislation. By the way, we're also not getting rid of the filibuster to do that. Back to normal, back to regularly scheduled politics in this country, I guess. Here's a question though. Do you think how many impeachments of Joe Biden are we going to get? One. More than one.
Starting point is 00:13:14 Sadly, zero. We're not going to get the funniest thing that I was hoping would come out of a Republican House is a branded impeachment because that now the Republican caucus is completely held by the balls by these four New York Republicans who cannot be the face of a fucking branded impeachment if they have any hope of keeping their seats. So we're not going to get our beloved branded impeachment, I don't think. We will get something funnier, which is, yeah, the Lebanon style power sharing agreement for the House.
Starting point is 00:13:47 I mean, like, this is going to be one of the funniest periods ever in the history of the House of Representatives. I mean, okay, so it's maybe it does come down to a one seat majority for Republicans. There's never a time when all reps are there, you know, they're always doing, they're always going to some like fucking after dinner speech to raise money for reelection or going on some fucking junk it to to Oman. Where they die, where they die. These people are all nine years old.
Starting point is 00:14:20 They dropped dead all the time. Or remember that a don't be lady who died in a car crash. Yes. They're they're representatives. They're not senators. They die like normal people. They're losers. Normal people.
Starting point is 00:14:35 They're not archons like senators are. Yeah, we've established that they don't have they don't have the doon shield technology yet for driving cars and walking downstairs. I guess I want one other one other development here. I mean, how are you guys feeling about the Ron Ron Ron DeSantis as the Elizabeth Warren of the Republican caucus like the that, you know, he can win if you if you believe in him kind of a candidate because I mean polls are showing that he's up on Trump in certain areas.
Starting point is 00:15:03 But one poll. Yeah. I know Trump only up by seven points prior to this bullshit, bullshit. I don't know. I don't buy that for a second. I never want anyone to ever fucking show me anything by a Republican polling firm from not from here. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:20 They don't know. Whatever they want. That's pretty established. But like, I mean, like, do you think like the pitch for Ron DeSantis is is eerily similar to the pitch for Elizabeth Warren, because he's like, he can get it done. He can take black people out of Disney movies, you know, yeah, he's going to hold hearings on it. He's going to have charts about black Ariel.
Starting point is 00:15:39 Yeah. He's going to every Tuesday on the in the Rose Garden when he's president, he's going to read the name of boys who killed themselves because they were taught the 19 project and they hate themselves school. Well, we alluded to it on the end of last week of the last episode we did, but I guess just the other really big news story from last week that's still ongoing is the golden age, the return of Twitter as being a vital thing for our society on the modern Agra. You know, so Elon Musk's Twitter, it's we've had it for now for about two weeks, fellas,
Starting point is 00:16:21 I got to say it's been great. Wonderful. It's pretty good. I mean, look, none of the parody accounts have been funny, but their effects on the real world have been quite hilarious. Oh, my goodness. Like tanking, tanking Eli Lilly's stock by just saying, insulin's free now. If that's what it takes to fucking crater Eli Lilly's stock market value is just people
Starting point is 00:16:43 realizing like, wait a second, why isn't insulin free already? What the fuck? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it is, you know, it's like if the ad busters kind of worked a little bit. Yeah. But I mean, but then Musk himself, just basically being on Twitter, replying to people and just being like, interesting, we're working on that.
Starting point is 00:17:04 I think the thing that's funny about like the Musk managed Twitter is, I mean, like A, what a shit show it is, but B also that they're realizing that like Twitter was not run as a company that was like some sort of SJW cabal seeking to like suppress speech. And I mean, I'm sure they do that in various ways, but I think it's like mainly the finding out that it's a company that was desperately trying to find a way to make money. Yeah. Now he's basically going to reverse, he's going to reverse engineer all of the content moderation and management of Twitter that there was already in place, because like that's
Starting point is 00:17:35 the way to make it economically viable or like the only way to make it even approach being economically viable or attractive. I mean, it's not looking good for advertisers right now, Twitter. He convinced himself because he doesn't know anything and he's surrounded by a bunch of fucking people who just tell him that his instincts are correct. He has the same instincts as a bunch of dumb rich assholes, which is to think, yeah, like the political correctness that dominates social media places like the speech constraints are the result of ideologically motivated SJW jihadists and that you could basically
Starting point is 00:18:13 bully them off of the point and then dom them because they're a bunch of blue haired pussies and they have no grit. But it turns out a company that is fueled by advertising dollars has advertisers who do not want to piss off vital segments of the market and the market that you're protecting by going free speech absolutist is the aging demo is these is a demographic that is shrinking relative to all the other demographics and trying to appeal to them by necessity means alienating the actual growth segments in the market. So it doesn't matter if you're what color your hair is or if you have a septum piercing,
Starting point is 00:18:54 the money tells you you got to get off that platform. And their only response amazingly was he thought that he was going to get his army of fans to like to intimidate them the way they imagine that the social justice warriors do. But again, that's one weird segment of weirdos against everyone else. That's not a hard call. That's not a difficult decision to make for a company. The thing that is astounding to me, the most telling of dumb things he said that was flagged by birdwatch, which is the dumb community flagging system with Twitter is he said that
Starting point is 00:19:32 Twitter is is the biggest driver of links. Insane, people click links from Twitter than anywhere else on the Internet. And it turns out 10,000 times more driven from Facebook. But yeah, 7% by Twitter, 70% by Facebook, by a factor, yeah, factor of 10, neck and neck with Pinterest. I'd actually probably say that Pinterest drives it more if we're accounting for like bot shit. But it does.
Starting point is 00:20:01 That specifically was an amazing tell for me because like, you know, what have we heard for years? Twitter isn't real life. You know, journalists are obsessed with with Twitter, journalists think Twitter is broadly representative of the world, despite being a very small sliver of social media. That is, you know, that's true. It does make you see the world with blinkers. However, it turns out that conservatives, they are, they have those exact same blinkers
Starting point is 00:20:29 on. They think that Twitter is representative of the real world, but you just have to turn off the shadow banning lever and the search banning lever. And the retweet throttling lever, and then it's actually a true, a true Roman forum. I think he literally bought this thing thinking that it was the most broadly used thing in the world just because he's on it all the time. Yep. If I'm on it, then it's got to be where it is that by definition, because I'm there.
Starting point is 00:20:54 Yeah. No, Felix, to your point, though, I mean, I think, I think you see that in, in these people's obsession with bots and bot networks. I mean, this is exactly like the Russian election hacking, disinformation, like liberal, liberal obsession with bots and Russian bot networks. I think it's just for a certain kind of boomer. If they encounter anyone disagreeing with them, they now assume it's a robot of some kind.
Starting point is 00:21:18 They're like, we've talked about this before, but they're all like Dwayne Hoover and Breakfast of Champions. And it doesn't really matter whether you're a liberal or a conservative. They just think any evidence of people not liking my posts or my follower count plateauing is the result of some sort of nefarious artificial intelligence and not just the people you encounter on social media. Yeah. You see it in his replies anytime someone is like, you know, the thing he had today,
Starting point is 00:21:44 we've deleted 20% of bloatware and then two seconds later, oh, two factor authentication doesn't work anymore. When people are replying to him, when people are replying to him and going, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, you're breaking it. Someone who has a purchased blue checkmark will reply to the unverified person saying this with a little robot emoji, just like Libs right after the 2016 election, exact same thing. It's amazing.
Starting point is 00:22:11 They've gotten to the point where if you aren't, if you did not buy a checkmark so that you could be on Elon's team, then that is prima facia evidence that you must be a robot. That's what they decided. It's amazing. It's like, I'm sorry. Who is the person who is unthinkingly and automatically doing something that the company wants them to do? That's you motherfucker.
Starting point is 00:22:33 You're the robot. Oh my God. Fucking plot twist. We do have numbers on how many people have made that jump, have purchased a special Twitter blue for the checkmark. It's about 22,000 people, which is okay. He would need 13 million to even service the debt. Just off revenue and they're actually making less of a profit off that special Twitter
Starting point is 00:22:57 blue than they were in the previous era because of the pausing of blue chip advertisers. They're actually like losing money, probably 20,000 subscriptions is probably losing the money because of the lack of ad revenue because they have to reduce the ads. It's not even ad free. It's half the ads, but I think he's going to be. Twitter blue is not even ad free. It's just less ads. Jesus Christ.
Starting point is 00:23:20 Yeah, the thing that is really amazing about the previous thing where it was like, okay, we're going to counter boycott. We're going to bully them into advertising on Twitter. It's the idea that Twitter is this amazing place to advertise that everyone wants to advertise on. It is a fraction of advertisers budgets. They've never really given a shit about it because it's never really done anything. There's a big debate over what advertising works and if it's overall effective or not,
Starting point is 00:23:53 but certainly ads on Twitter are so negligible and you can just throw them away and not even notice that it's like, why would they come back? Yeah, there's no incentive to do it unless they're afraid of getting brutally pwned in the comments by the Elon Brigade, which I'm sorry, that's not a social force worth worrying about when you're talking about your bottom line as a company. Well, another thing this has treated us to is it's given people on Twitter a keyhole glimpse into what it's like to work for one of Elon's companies like at Tesla or something like that.
Starting point is 00:24:30 Man, he seems like a competent manager and a good boss. I guess there is no such thing as a good boss, but it does seem like him. I would imagine pretty much all of these guys, like what do you do? What do you enjoy about being a CEO or running a company? The ability to fire people and push the rate around. Swing your dick around. The LA Times has a run up of headline, is the world's richest person, the world's worst boss?
Starting point is 00:24:57 What it's like to work for Elon Musk by Russ Mitchell for the LA Times? And he sounds like a complete, I mean, he sounds like a baby, but also kind of a psycho. But not in an intimidating way, just the baby, just lashing out and also being a Christmas carol except no one gets a goose at the end of the day. I'm just going to read a couple of things from the LA Times article. It says here, another whistleblower, Martin Tripp, moved to Hungary to escape the wrath of Musk after the news site Insider ran a story about excessive scrap waste at Tesla's battery factory in 2018.
Starting point is 00:25:35 Private investigator is hired by Musk to identify the source named Tripp, a factory employee. Tripp was fired. Tesla said he stole company data. Musk later called a reporter to say he'd heard Tripp was on his way to the factory with a gun. The local sheriff's department later said no. He was miles away in Reno with no gun and no evidence that he had one.
Starting point is 00:25:54 So the saying that a whistleblower was going to do is like an office, like a workplace shooting at a Tesla factory, a Tesla battery factory. That's pretty good. And also, you remember during the, when those, the kids in Thailand were trapped in a cave and he said the rescue guy was a pedophile? It says one way Tesla lowered its injury numbers, according to Reveal, was by denying ambulance service to some injured factory workers who requested it. Medical staff were told not to call 911 without management permission.
Starting point is 00:26:25 The electric car makers contract doctors rarely granted, instead often insisting that seriously injured workers, including one who severed the top of a finger, be sent to the emergency room in a lift. Reveal said quoting five former medical clinic employees at Tesla's Fremont Auto Assembly plant. And last but not least, we've talked about this story before, it's a good one. In another strange episode, Musk found himself tethered in what's become known as the horse for sex scandal.
Starting point is 00:26:52 Business Insider also broke that story, which revolved around a lawsuit filed by a woman who said she was hired to provide massage services to the world's richest human. She alleged she was summoned by Musk aboard his Gulfstream G60ER private jet for a full body massage and Musk showed her his erect penis, then touched her and offered to buy her a horse in return for sex. SpaceX paid the woman $250,000 in a legal settlement. I will buy you a new horse. The weirdest Musk workplace scandal was that he paid that woman to do in vitro fertilization
Starting point is 00:27:28 of twins. Yeah. Yeah. Just amidst like three other kids he was having. He just loves reproducing. He can't stop. That one I thought about a lot because one of his big hobby horses is decline in birth rates and similar to this, similar to the $44 billion boondoggle he's gotten himself
Starting point is 00:27:50 into, I guess he worked himself up into a frenzy and went, okay, I'll work on it. Okay, I'll do it. Did you see, so you've seen, they just got, Twitter just got a big ad by from SpaceX. Oh, right. So, I mean, I can't wait to buy a rocket off of the really persuasive ads that they're going to put on there. So this is like, he's taking money from one of his companies to prop up his position in this failing venture here so he can get just some cash flow in here.
Starting point is 00:28:23 And of course, SpaceX is entirely dependent on government contracts. The company that he is leveraging, he leveraged to buy Twitter in the first place, Tesla was built on contracts as well, so that he, and so he leveraged one thing that is just government money and is now literally just taking government money out of another one to prop it up for a third thing that by any fucking reasonable measure should be a public utility, a thing like Twitter. They should all be fucking public utilities. It's like, what is the benefit, look at this arrangement where we have the electric car
Starting point is 00:28:56 company and the space company and the public forum company all owned by this fucking guy. What is his value ad being an insane narcissist with a bunch of weird hobby horses that he gets to fucking pursue to oblivion because there's no one to stop him? Where is the public benefit to these being privately fucking owned, especially because this is the guy who will take over. This is the guy who will reign in this era of privatized industry. Also considering that the mechanism for him to publicly own it is not for him to go, okay, I'm cashing out $44 billion worth of my equity in, you know, whatever bullshit venture.
Starting point is 00:29:36 It's to just add tens of billions of dollars in debt on the venture he's buying. The only thing, the only thing where they let you buy things that way. Yeah, it's amazing. Like, how are you set to own this after that? That's insane. When you take out a mortgage, you're still you owe that money. This is the only thing, nothing, they don't let you do this with anything else really. They don't let you go, okay, I'm doing, I'm having a leveraged lunch, I'm buying a sandwich.
Starting point is 00:30:07 Now the sandwich assumes $19 in debt. It's insane. I can bundle my shit and sell it back to the sandwich after I've digested it. Yeah, we're packaging securities based on how much we're going to shit the next day and the revenue from that, believe me, will be fine. But like, have you seen like also since this deal began, Tesla's, the shares are pretty much half what they were worth before. I know they had a stock split, but even given that, they've declined by about half and I
Starting point is 00:30:46 don't think it's just investors going, holy shit, you know, this guy's a fraud or this guy is obsessive or will hype himself up into, you know, going into this boondoggle that we'll consume all this time. It's also the fact that in the long run, it doesn't seem like Tesla will be worth a trillion dollars. Well, I mean, now when everyone can see what its CEO actually like, what his actual thoughts and behavior are like in public, you know, because usually when someone's not wealthy, people just assume, oh, he must be smart.
Starting point is 00:31:18 He must be, he must be good at what he does. But then is anyone going to want to get in a car fucking created by the asshole who's driving Twitter into the fucking ground or just like. Even beyond that, though, like if Tesla isn't the only like electric car company, you're he's fucked because it has no advantage over like General Motors or any company that actually makes cars, which are now coming out with electric models that can compete with Tesla and be less expensive and not explode. And hey, here's one, it'll actually still drive if the company goes bankrupt, which
Starting point is 00:31:50 will not be the case for your fucking Tesla's things will break the second they stop making payments. I can't like Tesla's actual, you know, the fundamentals, some of which investors looked at during the during the Gold Rush period. I mean, they are dependent on carbon credits to have any positive cash flow. And when other, when other companies, when other companies with increased man with much better manufacturing capacity and who make much better cars get into this space, like what's going to happen?
Starting point is 00:32:21 The only way to put all those eggs in the fucking automatic car bullshit because they were going to they were going to solve self-driving and be the self-driving company with proprietary software. No, you've just made, you've made a ground version of the F 35. Congratulations. Yeah, that was that was their only play, really, right? Was to make was to be like the self-driving car guys and then probably in his fantasies get out of the physical manufacturing business and just get software licenses.
Starting point is 00:32:51 They would be like IBM or Microsoft. But yeah, they just the only future I really see for Tesla is, you know, being bought by someone else because people still want to, some people would still want to buy roadsters at a highly, highly increased cost. And the only future I see for any of his companies operating independently at all would probably be SpaceX as a government contractor. And the only products they actually make that could make money are things that get paid for through defense contracts, not space tourism or any of this fucking bullshit.
Starting point is 00:33:25 You have to divide his his companies into the shit his hobby horse and then the thing that they actually actually generates any positive revenue. And for companies that are entirely his hobby horse, like Twitter or like the boring company, that's nothing. That's vaporware. It's not going to. It will never make money. Yeah, it's like all the stuff that this singular genius is supposed to bring to these industries,
Starting point is 00:33:48 all the innovation is actually all of the garbage and all of the stuff that's just weighing it down. The stuff that makes money is just boring old stuff that, you know what, a government agency could much more efficiently manage at the end of the day, but not without magic and bells and whistles. The fact that he still has defenders, though, it's it's stunning, but at the same time, it's inevitable because it is it is a theological belief in this country among millions of people that if you get to his position in this country in the rat race in the struggle for all against
Starting point is 00:34:20 all of the market, if you get to a position like he has, then you by definition are in some way a genius. You earned it. You are the evidence of your success proves your worthiness of your position and they just can't give that up because if that's not true, then there's nobody at the fucking wheel of this thing. It's just a bunch of clowns and frauds just scamming their way from one quarter to the other until the fucking wheels fall off.
Starting point is 00:34:50 I do want to close up the musk thing. Could you see him because I floated this idea the other day, Robert Maxwell type ending. Okay, actually, yeah, I was thinking about this in the back of my head when you were like, okay, like this is the only area of the economy where you're allowed to buy something for $44 billion that essentially just take on debt to do it. Because Elon is the world's wealthiest man and just as an individual, what he represents is so grafted into the U.S. economy and the global market, whatever you want to say, all the sinews of his drug cartel money laundering or whatever the fuck is going on behind the
Starting point is 00:35:32 curtains there, that if he fucks with the money too much, could he have a plane crash in his future? Could he have one of his jets hit the Pacific at like 700 miles an hour, obliterating? I don't know, man. I mean, think about the guys who got burned lending him money on this. I mean, okay, the one guy who I think would already be drawing up plans to kill him wisely has not lent him any money and that's Jamie Dimon, JP Morgan has very conspicuously avoided musclones for the duration.
Starting point is 00:36:10 But I do think, okay, if you're the higher level of the Bohemian Grove and you see like the octopus system, that this guy is at the center of a Jenga Tower that's worth like $3 trillion when you connect it to a bunch of things. And you see how much you can goad him into doing things because he has one of those personalities of a guy who got bullied too much and he can't back down about anything. It's just like the checkmarks. The easiest solution to the checkmark problem would be just make them a different color. But because he made this public stance, he can't be made to look like he's backing down
Starting point is 00:36:48 and that same dumbass impulse will obliterate trillions of dollars. If you're one of those guys, maybe the smartest thing you think is, yes, boat accident and oh my God, what a tragedy that Nikolai Tesla, Thomas Edison of our age, has died and his jet collided with an oil drum factory. Oh my God. How terrible. Anyway, we're going to be taking these companies into conservatorship and juicing the government contracts and selling all the shit that's like, we're going to turn your brain into
Starting point is 00:37:22 a PlayStation 5. Well, I mean, a little fantastical, but it's happened before. Well, as long as we're fantasizing here, do you think he would be paying employees to bear his children if there was reliable technology that could scan your brain and upload it into a computer? Because I think it's sort of like the Jeffrey Epstein thing. I think a lot of these guys are hedging their bets against being able to artificially recreate the neural networks of their brain in a computer, which will never happen or at least not in
Starting point is 00:37:54 their lifetimes. They can't even get good hair plugs with spreading their seed as far as possible. All that weird Jeffrey Epstein stuff about freezing his dick and balls and stuff so he can keep siring children for a million years into the future. But Michael Hudson brought this up. The crucial element to the plane crash rather than the boating accident is that it would obliterate his brainstem and any chance of recreating his thoughts in a computer. Yeah, no, that's a very good point.
Starting point is 00:38:28 I would like it if it worked a little bit. You could get a little bit of your consciousness in the computer, but he has to live in Counter Strike forever. You could just hone him eternally. Yeah. Well, speaking of scams and frauds, moving on from one flim flam to another. Let's talk about what's going on with San Bankman Freed. In just the past five years, San Bankman Freed went from buying his first Bitcoin to becoming
Starting point is 00:38:59 a multi-billionaire. The FTX founder is now worth an estimated $11 billion. He could have bought that Jordan Jersey if he wanted to. His exchange is now worth $32 billion and it brought in about a billion dollars in revenue just last year. CBC's Kate Rooney has more on the CEO's rise to the top of the crypto industry. They call him the JP Morgan of crypto, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:39:22 The Michael Jordan of crypto, if you will. Okay. Would it surprise you to know that the biggest cryptocurrency exchange just completely imploded after borrowing its users' money to make risky bets? But no, it was effectively altruistic. How could that happen? Oh, man. Effective altruism.
Starting point is 00:39:44 We did a bit about this at our New York show when we were talking about the David Shore rave, Burning Man party in his loft, but man, see, folks, I don't know if you're familiar with effective altruism. It's like altruism classic, except it's effective. Effective altruism, I mean, sounds like sort of a buzzword, but no, actually it's a philosophy created by Bay Area rationalists who are rationally approaching the problem of why do some have so much, why do so few have so much when the world is so full of poverty and suffering?
Starting point is 00:40:17 Well, altruism classic would have you believe that that's connected to how much wealth and power a small group of people have and that they should essentially be forced to give up some of their wealth and property? No, you'd be wrong. If you were a rationalist, you would actually be working to give those people even more wealth and power because they can use it most effectively because they're such geniuses. Like, why would you give it to a dumb old government when you could give it to these visionary masters of the universe?
Starting point is 00:40:43 And we're seeing in every part of the economy, as soon as you just lightly turn down the free money dial, all of a sudden all of that genius instantly evaporates. All that world-defining brilliance that makes them the ones who should have all the money and power because they know better than anyone else, all of a sudden it's gone. All of a sudden it was their capacity to endlessly borrow money and all of a sudden they're not geniuses anymore. It's weird how that happened. I've got to get your take on this, Felix, it is the Mr. Money of the show.
Starting point is 00:41:14 So Felix, your take on Sam Bankman-Fried and the collapse of his cryptocurrency exchange that was Tom Brady, Tom Brady, and then Larry David, all the celebs were, I mean, this is like, the Super Bowl was not even a year ago, and this shit is like, this is just, oh, yeah. So at least Pets.com had a little bit more of a run. I want to steal a little wordplay from the man who predicted this more than anyone at Zitron, the city of Freaks of Sam Bankman-Fried. Sam Bankrun-Fraud. Okay, so I was talking about this with Ed.
Starting point is 00:41:56 Think about this. Okay, we've talked a lot about how Elon Musk compared to John D. Rockefeller or JP Morgan or any of those guys, how he said, everyone at the top of the billionaires list is an inferior intellect to their predecessors from 100 years ago. Sam Bankrun-Fraud. Okay, let's think about if Jamie Dimon or Lloyd Blankfine or any of the evil bankers from the 2008 era, let's think about them. Let's think about if they were allowed to own Nasdaq or the New York Stock Exchange,
Starting point is 00:42:30 they're allowed to also be a bank, they're allowed to be a brokerage house also in addition to this, they're allowed to trade, and they're allowed to issue their own security and currency. How much money do you think those guys make just by not being stupid, by being like, holy shit, there's barely any regulation left, if we don't blow it all up, if we don't issue our own currency that we claim has 40% APY, we could make $97 billion of three years. And then you give the same charter to Sam Bankrun-Fraud, the effective altruism dumbass, look what happens. Look what fucking happens.
Starting point is 00:43:15 I mean, is it effective altruism, isn't that just a great microcosm of this? Because what have rich pricks like this always done? What is, if you're a New York finance vampire, what is your favorite thing to do? Just go to a charity gala. Oh, they love it. Oh, they love it. Jeff Bezos just announced he's giving away his fortune, but I'm sure just like a family control trust.
Starting point is 00:43:34 Yeah, go get it. Jack me off. He's fucking avoid taxation. Bullshit. Honestly, Sam Bankrun-Fraud may be the most effective altruist of all time, given how much fucking money he's stolen, how much wealth he's actually wiped out rather than having these assholes get to spend it the way they want in a fucking altruistic manner. Right.
Starting point is 00:43:52 Okay, so they've been doing that for, they've been doing these bullshit charities that don't seem to help anyone for the longest time and then you get money to Yale and then you get money to the opera house and then this and then that. Sam Bankrun-Fraud, like everything, like how he's looking at finance, like how he said one day he'll buy Goldman Sachs. He looks at all these guys and he goes, hey, why are you doing it in the wrong way? You know, oh, I invented a new type of private charity. It's effective.
Starting point is 00:44:21 It's effective charity. Just like how I've invented effective finance, I've invented a new effective form of currency. And it turns out- He invented banking without regulation. Yeah. It turns out all those guys who came before him, they were doing all of that for a reason. Yeah. Just like Twitter does all the things they do for a reason too.
Starting point is 00:44:44 Right. Those guys are doing that charity because it gives them a social cash aid, it gives them connections to elected officials, it gives them most importantly tax breaks and tax shelters. His replacement for that, effective altruism, which I guess it's just like microfinance on steroids, it didn't help anyone because the type of shit they were doing would be like, okay, they would do a math problem and go, there's only a 0.005% chance of AI taking over the world, but that's such a horrifying future that we need to spend $500 million to prevent from happening.
Starting point is 00:45:19 How many people did it help? I don't know. Maybe 8 billion. Maybe they did prevent that. Who knows? But like everything else, it collapsed. It collapsed. It was ineffective.
Starting point is 00:45:31 It left a group of 10 guys crying in the Bahamas. There's a good article in The Lever by Andrew Perez, Rebecca Burns, and Matthew Cunningham Cook titled Washington's $32 billion crypto scam, which is about how Sam Bankrun, Bankrun Fraud, basically tried to buy his own regulators in DC by giving heavily to the Democratic Party. And I just want to read a little bit from this. It says here, the collapse underscore is how the $849 billion crypto industry down one fifth in the last week from a high of $3 trillion a year ago has been protected by regulators
Starting point is 00:46:05 who are asleep at the wheel, while hapless ordinary investors suckered in with slick ads from prominent celebrities and athletes lose their savings. A few days after Bankrun Fraud's prescient comments on the Bloomberg podcast, FTX co-hosted a crypto confab in the Bahamas with world leaders, celebrities, and investors. On stage, Bankrun Fraud interviewed former President Bill Clinton and former British Prime Minister Tony Blair while wearing T-shirts, shorts, and new balance sneakers. Okay. The T-shirts, shorts, and new balance sneakers thing while you're interviewing a president
Starting point is 00:46:36 and former prime minister is less interesting to me than like this is their big rollout of a crypto conference they're like, hey, if you want to sell that what we're up to is not shady in any way, I'd definitely host the conference in the Bahamas with Bill Clinton as my fucking keynote speaker, Bill Clinton and Tony Blair. Well, you know, the old saying, first is tragedy, then is farce. It was like he was doing a Kabuki theater of the 90s in one conference. Yeah. It was like he was acting out a ceremonial repeal of Glass-Dougal.
Starting point is 00:47:14 I know. The people who are most responsible for the 2008 financial crash, which happened because of severing any meaningful regulation of the fucking, or severing any division between commercial and financial banking and deregulating Wall Street, let's have those guys back to pimp for our new fucking, yeah, banking 3.0, it's like old banking except it's cool and effective. And yeah, you're rolling out Bill Clinton and Tony Blair, the people who authored the last fucking economic collapse.
Starting point is 00:47:47 Yeah. No, it was like a mid-summer religious ceremony for deregulation. It says here, according to an industry publication, Clinton suggested that regulators should adopt the do no harm mentality when dealing with cryptocurrencies. Politico announced that the event heralded the crypto industry's strange new respectability. At the time, Bankman Fried was fashioning himself as a political kingmaker, boosting crypto-friendly candidates in a series of Democratic congressional primaries and getting advice from veteran Democratic consultants and younger quasi-left upstarts.
Starting point is 00:48:19 In May, Bankman Fried told NBC News he aimed to spend up to $1 billion on the 2024 elections. Now just six months later, FTX is fully collapsed, according to Wall Street Journal. FTX had lent billions of dollars' worth of customer assets to fund risky bets by its affiliated trading firm Alameda Research, setting the stage for the exchange of implosion. The downfall was swift. When Binance, a competitor crypto exchange, announced on November 6, it was unloading its holdings of digital tokens issued by FTX. And in which Alameda was heavily invested, customers began pulling their monies from
Starting point is 00:48:51 the tokens in FTX. Bankman Fried announced on November 8 that Binance was acquiring FTX pending due diligence before Binance pulled out of the deal. Soon FTX was out of money. There's just another really pretty stunning detail in a Bloomberg article by Matt Levine about FTX's balance sheet. And right there, Sam Bankman Fried's main international FTX exchange held just $9 million in easily-sellable assets against $9 billion of liabilities the day before it collapsed
Starting point is 00:49:22 into bankruptcy, according to investment materials seen by the Financial Times. The largest portion of those liquid assets listed on an FTX international balance sheet dated Thursday was $470 million of Robinhood shares owned by a Bankman Fried vehicle not listed in Friday's bankruptcy filing, which included 134 corporate entities. Then it also goes on to say, a spreadsheet listing FTX's international assets and liabilities seen by the Financial Times pointed issues that brought Bankman Fried crashing back down to earth. This is $5 billion of withdrawals last Sunday, and a negative $8 billion entry described
Starting point is 00:49:56 as hidden, poorly internally labeled fiat account. So they're trying to sell the company, and this is when you have to actually open up the books. And what they saw was just $900 million of assets against $9 billion in liabilities. And then apparently they just took a bunch of money out of it as it was failing. Just opened the back door. They put it there and just pulled the money out. Yeah, I've seen some people allege that out of that final reserve shoot, the final money
Starting point is 00:50:25 stash they pulled out, they were essentially trying to gamble their way back to $10 billion with the $1 billion. That's always a winning strategy. Yeah, never give up. Just go to Macau or something and put it on black or whatever. You clearly don't know an investment. All of a sudden, I'm going to figure out how to do this. No, just literally go to a casino, man.
Starting point is 00:50:47 Do a fucking three team parlay. You've got a better chance there. I do wonder though, is this with bank man fraud and Musk, we're seeing what happens when just endless free money starts to get drained out of the economy. Does that mean that these are really the canaries in the coal mine, and we're going to start seeing a bunch of companies that appear maybe less obviously fraudulent, maybe based on some sort of fundamentals, but are going to see a similar crisis and a similar economic collapse due to them in the coming, probably like what, by 2024, you've got to imagine, right?
Starting point is 00:51:30 Absolutely. I mean, it does seem like the heights of American capitalism are just all crooks, like top to bottom. There's nothing real going on in any of these companies. It really does seem like that. Just think about all the people who have been on the cover of Forbes magazine over the last 10 years, and how many of them are currently either facing a jail sentence or presided over the single greatest destruction of wealth in human history.
Starting point is 00:51:55 Right. Well, one of the reasons that we pointed out why guys 100 years ago were so much more impressive, the richest five Americans then compared to now, is that now, if you're among the 20 or 30 richest people in the world, it's a good chance that you got there because you were at the right place at the right time with an emerging technology in an effective zero interest rate environment, which is like, if you already had money, if you're already in there, if your foot was already in the door, and you don't make $10 billion in that environment, something is wrong with you.
Starting point is 00:52:35 And now, clearly, even if you do do that, something's wrong with you. And Andrew Carnegie, he built fucking libraries and museums and shit. This asshole was giving money to David Shore and Sean McElwee. I mean, he was building rave parties and data for progress holes. The altruistic rave parties, okay? But now that he is public enemy number one, we are being treated to another view behind the veil of this bank man fraud character. This is courtesy of the Daily Mail.
Starting point is 00:53:10 Inside the very millennial life of bankrupt FTX founder, Sam Bankman-Fried, T-Total vegan gamer, 30 who claims to sleep four hours a night on a beanbag in his Bahamas penthouse, that is also his office, which he shares with nine co-workers. Okay. Can I just stop you there? The idea that anyone would be shocked that a large portion of this guy's life takes place on a beanbag, I mean, that is the first thing I figured out about the guy. That is a beanbag using gentlemen.
Starting point is 00:53:39 It says for a one-time crypto billionaire who rubbed shoulders with A-listers from Tom Brady and Giselle Bunchin to Bill Clinton and Tony Blair, departing FTX chief Sam Bank Fried leads an unassuming lifestyle. Some might even say boring. The 30-year-old nicknamed SBF is a T-Total vegan who sleeps four hours a night, drives a Toyota Corolla, and shuns designer clothes for scruffy loungewear and sneakers. It's likely that the only luxury he'll need to give up following the collapse of FTX is his exclusive penthouse in the tax haven of the Bahamas, which he shares with several
Starting point is 00:54:10 of his accolades. Bankman Fried lives in the apartment come office with nine of his staff, including his rumored on-off lover, 28-year-old Stanford grad Caroline Ellison. Ellison, a Harry Potter fanatic whose father is an esteemed academic, was CEO of Alameda Research, the trading firm launched by Bankman Fried, which is inextricably tied to FTX's downfall. Going on, it gives a little flavor about basically the people who were living in this Bahamas polycule, running the world's largest crypto exchange, met at a sober frat at MIT where
Starting point is 00:54:46 instead of drinking alcohol, they would do larping and have pie and cake and stuff. It says here, stunning penthouse aside, it's a modest lifestyle for a man who until this week had a fortune valued at $16 billion. In fact, he is a self-proclaimed effective altruist, an ethos that can be loosely defined as using the resources at one's disposal to bring about as much good as possible. As Bankman Fried met some of his FTX team at Epsilon Theta, a living group at MIT which has been described as like a fraternity, but replace all the alcohol with the nerdiest stuff you can imagine.
Starting point is 00:55:21 Indeed, Epsilon Theta's website explains, the house is socially dry, meaning that no alcohol has served parties. However, visitors can usually expect to find costumes, cake, and or larping. Now look, I know we made fun of these guys for having alcohol-free parties, but I think there's something a little bit rich about the Daily Mail representing the country with the worst drinking problem on the planet being like, look at this wacky millennial lifestyle of these people who don't like drinking 18 pints of beer a night. Well, I mean, if Elon Musk has shown anything, it's that psychedelics are actually worse
Starting point is 00:55:53 than drinking. JB Morgan was such a drunk, he had that disgusting little cauliflower growth on his nose. He's certainly a smarter guy than any of these people. I mean, do you think he's going to jail? I mean, is he going to spend any jail time for this or is this just to just sell off some stuff in the Bahamas and skate on this? I don't know. Did he do anything illegal?
Starting point is 00:56:16 I mean, it seems like it should be illegal to just withdraw money from your customer's crypto accounts to fund bets that the investment arm of the company you own is making. I mean, honestly, with crypto, I don't know. A big thing with SPF specifically was, do you remember that weird bill that he was getting Cindy Loomis and Kristen Gillibrand to pass? The basically the soft pedal regulation of crypto? I mean, I don't know. I watch all the crypto stuff at an extreme distance and the legality of certain things
Starting point is 00:56:56 in America, I don't really know. I would guess he's not going to prison and I would guess actually that it's more likely that in two years someone bankrolls a new venture by him. That's how I would guess. You bring up the Kristen Gillibrand thing. Man, like I said, all those Tom Brady, Larry David commercials, that wasn't even a year ago. Last time ago that like Kristen Gillibrand and that other congresswoman appear or senator
Starting point is 00:57:20 appeared on CNBC and was asked, do you agree with regulators who say it's a bad idea to put retirement funds into crypto exchanges and they were like, no, absolutely not. We totally disagree with that. Please. It's great investment. Go ahead. Has Gillibrand ever seen anything on Twitter and not gone, oh, that's a great idea. Wasn't Sean McElwee like very much associated with Kristen Gillibrand?
Starting point is 00:57:41 It was her Rima Worm Tongue in her amazingly hilarious 2020 presidential run. Yeah. Guarantee you that's part of the reason that she became Mrs. Captain Crypto after that. Yeah. God, that was, talk about not that long ago. That was three years ago that Gillibrand tried being a dark horse contender for the presidency by repeating things that she saw on Twitter, that Sean McElwee saw on Twitter. Yes.
Starting point is 00:58:04 Like going out there. The latest hot memes and then she would just spit them out and they're like, I'm, he was thinking, I'm going to the White House. I'm going to be Sam Seaborne. Yeah. His formula was like, if something got 500 likes, have a Senator Gillibrand say it. Have her talk about Rosa Luxemburg. Well, you know, so whether it's Musk or Bank Room Fraud, things are going great for billionaires
Starting point is 00:58:28 right now, but I'd like to end the show with a reading series that returns to an old favorite of ours. This happened like, this was two weeks ago, but I think there's still some juice here, which has been distracted by Elon and the midterm elections. But bad news, guys, where you're aware that Lucienne Goldberg just died? No. Jonah Goldberg's mother, Jonah Goldberg's mother just passed away. You might remember her from the Clinton impeachment as the woman who basically gave Linda Tripp
Starting point is 00:58:56 the idea. She got Linda Tripp wear a wire, right? Yeah. Gave Linda Tripp the idea to record her conversations with Monica Lewinsky. But you know, the grand dom has shuffled off this mortal coil. She has passed through the veil to the other side, but not before Commentary Magazine wrote a great obituary for her by Jonah, sorry, not Jonah Goldberg, not her son, John Potoritz, her not son.
Starting point is 00:59:18 And it's hard to keep these guys in track. John Potoritz's mother is... Hard to keep the sons in track, all of these brilliantly talented sons just hanging around, collected fucking pensions from the conservative media. So there's a really lovely obituary for Lucienne, 1935 to 2022, in Commentary by John Potoritz. And I thought we'd dip into that for the end of the show. So it begins, Lucienne Goldberg was, she owned the term proudly, a broad, a grand broad, big, blousy, sexy, and up for a good time from morning till night.
Starting point is 00:59:55 Would you like me to read that again? I get it. She's a broad. She's a good time sally. But sexy is the adjective that I am raising an eyebrow to in this obituary. I mean, like, isn't it just, you know, John Potoritz, I know it's not his mom, but I mean, it's his friend's mom. And just, I don't know, big, blousy, sexy, and up for a good time from morning till
Starting point is 01:00:18 night. Jonah, let no one say your mom wasn't a big whore. I mean, she was portrayed by... Who's the actress from Justified Season 2? What's her name? Margot Martindale? Yeah, Margot Martindale. She was portrayed by Margot Martindale in the American Crime Story about the impeachment.
Starting point is 01:00:37 It's just, I'm sorry, I mean, no disrespect to Margot Martindale, but if she's portraying you in, like, a made-for-TV version of your life, I don't think the word sexy is really going to come to mind. Going on, he writes, she was the first and last person I ever knew to spend her days inserting cigarettes into a cigarette holder and smoking them with relish, like she was attending the blowout party in breakfast at Tiffany's. She was my dear, dear friend for 40 years. It was Lucienne, the literary agent whom I turned to in 1983 when I had my first idea
Starting point is 01:01:07 for a book, a parody of TV Guide during the days when parodies were all the rage. She was maybe the only agent in New York at the time who represented conservatives. The day she went out to publishers with the proposal, someone else sold the same concept. The project was not to be, and the version that was ultimately published was a dud. But thank God for its abortive existence, because she became a part of my life and never stopped being so. The idea that in the 80s we were robbed of a TV Guide parody written by John Padores is just something that I don't think I can take on into my brain.
Starting point is 01:01:38 There's too much bad stuff in there already, and now I'm just thinking about, you know, a Mandela Effect universe in which that book exists. Lucienne was maybe the most surely fun person I've ever known, full of good, high humor and gossip and tales about everyone we knew ever knew in common, and plenty she only knew, and plenty everybody knew. What a storyteller she was, cynical and world-weary and finding the humor in just about everything. And she had an essentially comic view of the world in which one way or another we were either all fools or tumblers.
Starting point is 01:02:12 She started an anti-women's lib group in the 1970s called the Pussycat League as a joke, and it provoked outrage that absolutely delighted her. She was not a Demi-Mondane, but she was a confidant to many who were. A friend of hers who lived on the edge of financial disaster found security in a rent-control department she rented out by the hour, and by allowing a once-famous New York City radio personality with a personal picadillo to study her toes. I don't know where this is going here. Who do you think is the New York radio personality who was into toes?
Starting point is 01:02:43 She's renting out an apartment by the hour to a New York City radio personality who's into toes. Is that what I'm getting here? He likes feet, and she showed him her feet. That seems to be what he's saying. She's actually got me here. Now I want to know more. Maybe there's more to the Lucy-Anne Goldberg than I thought.
Starting point is 01:03:04 I want to hear more of these stories. I mean, I'm shocked to know more than Lucy, but she was a guy. He had a thing, but then she let him look at her feet like, wait a minute, what? How do you know about that for one thing? Well, they were dear, dear friends. Another person who helped her with her news aggregation website in a faraway state, someone whom she never met to my knowledge, Lucy-Anne, being one of the first people to live most of her life on the internet, called her one day to say she was going to have to take a
Starting point is 01:03:31 break because the police had for some reason decided to arrest her for attempting to kill her husband. These friends love Lucy-Anne because they believe she didn't judge them. Oh, but she did. She did. I mean, that's another throwaway anecdote that's just like, I would like more explanation here. She was around in the early 1960s when JFK was cutting a swath through his aides at the
Starting point is 01:03:51 White House, which served as a preparation for the moment she became world famous. That was at the end of January 1998 when she became the public representative of Linda Tripp, the intimate and betrayer of Monica Lewinsky, whose taped phone calls, taped on Lucy-Anne's advice, revealed the relationship between Lewinsky and President Clinton. You've probably forgotten, but I haven't, the hilarious spectacle of 100 reporters standing on the sidewalk at 84th and Broadway in front of Lucy-Anne's building as she calmly and with a Cheshire cat's smile replied to the screams of America's journalist. That's not a Linda Tripp question, she would say, in her sing-song voice if they asked
Starting point is 01:04:24 her what her agenda was here, or the angle, or whatever. Unlike other people who have been in the Destroy the President game, she didn't make any bones about it. When Lewinsky gate ultimately came, a cropper, she was even keeled, if you go with the king, you best still kill the king, she said, and we didn't. What a life lived by this lady here. I want to know more about the toes. That's all, I got out of any of that.
Starting point is 01:04:46 I need to know more about the situation where she's helping out a friend with peccadillos by letting him study her toes, like, what the fuck does this mean? I need to know. She goes on to get right here. I mean, John goes on to tell a story about how they were eating at a restaurant and Bill Clinton was at, and she told Lucy-Anne, and she came to the restaurant, and then he like schmoozed her for 10 minutes, and then she came away dazzled by his charm and brilliance. To my other dear Goldberg friend, Jonah, and to Jonah's fair Jessica, and to Lucy-Anne's
Starting point is 01:05:14 namesake, their daughter Lucy, I can only wish they find solace in knowing that they, like me, had been given a gift by God, this great broad was certain loved by her presence in our lives. So, R.I.P. Bozo. R.I.P. Bozo. R.I.P. to Lucy-Anne Goldberg.
Starting point is 01:05:30 A great broad, just a great broad, who we all remember her toes. I'll remember those toes, don't we, folks? What do you think, guys? Is that wrapping up for today's episode? Yep. All right. The only, what I'm getting from the Sleek and Finance news is the only safe investment is canned food and shotguns.
Starting point is 01:05:48 So get in on that. Get on the ground floor there. I can never, you can never go wrong buying municipal bonds. All right, gang. Until next time. Bye-bye. Thanks for watching. Listen, listen

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