Chapo Trap House - 768 - Handjob for the Recently Deceased (9/18/23)

Episode Date: September 19, 2023

We cover a spurt of stories about politicians being horny, starting with of course Lauren Boebert’s broadway handy. Then, have you seen this plane?: the air force loses an F-35 somewhere in South Ca...rolina. Finally, we have a reading series on Mitt Romney’s self-mythologizing retirement announcement that eventually morphs into a rumination on the fate of empires.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Music So believe me this watch. Alright, it's Monday, September 18th. Willemannicka here, joined by Matt and Felix. We're back. Choppers back for you guys. Gonna full slate the things to discuss today. But I suppose I will begin today by saying I have- I have but one thing- actually no, I have three things to say. And they are as follows.
Starting point is 00:00:54 Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice. It showed that. The musical! Looks like we're not invisible anymore! Looks like we're not invisible anymore! Our girl, Lauren Bobert, Lauren Bobert, back again, you know, like exercising in the flower of her youth, who all remember Lauren Bobert, her tainted sliders from her shooters, Barn Grill, made dozens explode with bloody diarrhea. Well, folks,
Starting point is 00:01:22 it seems looks like Lauren is seeking to elicit a different bodily reaction this time from her date during Beetlejuice, the musical. I don't know where to begin with this, so I'll just say you can vape in Beetlejuice, the musical. I'm sorry, this is not the London Philharmonic, this is not the Met Opera, you should be allowed to vape indoors during the performance of Beetlejuice, the musical, and you should also be able to vape indoors during the performance of Beatles juice, the musical. And you should also be able to give your data dry, Hanjay. We have gotten so many, we've heard like a million bullshit excuses for why we can't vape in a theater. And sometimes it's like, oh, this theater is 300 years old. Like Hamilton performed the first version of Hamilton here 300 years ago, you can't vape here, it will blow up the theater.
Starting point is 00:02:05 Or like, oh, we have smoke alarms and fire alarms, which literally my vape is never set off, that only works in Iowa. Well, Wells did. Well, yeah, well, they don't know what they're doing over there. But, like, we've heard some pretty ridiculous ones. We were told that we would be exited from the stage in Canada for vaping.
Starting point is 00:02:28 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, this fucking, I'm gonna perform this. This like bullshit place in Florida, they're like you can't vape here and it's like you live in a swamp. Yeah. Like how's it like worse in the air you breathe here?
Starting point is 00:02:43 But I mean, you really, okay, a modern production of beetle juice in Colorado. Really, you can't vape there. And it's like, if you don't let her vape, she's going to have to do something. She's gonna have to give a crooked hand beasy to her lip date. Yes.
Starting point is 00:03:03 So it's like if you don't want one, you have to allow the other. The lip date who it owns a bar that does fucking drag. It's too good. It's too good. I mean, like, sorry, this is from the, I think this is a Jesu Bell's coverage of this. It says, says your additional security footage shows Boba it's previously unidentified date, Grooper, as she appears
Starting point is 00:03:22 to touch his crotch at a performance of Beatles used shortly before they were ejected. And we've now learned who that lucky man is. Quinn Gallagher, the co-owner of Hooshcraft Cocktail Barron Aspen. I think something lost in the La Faire of Bobaire is Colorado is really underrated as one of the stupidest states in America. It was like, it was a magnet for, in the 19th century, like magnet for all, you know, like the, the common clay of the new west, you know, moron types.
Starting point is 00:03:52 And now it's just got this sedimentary layer of like idiotic skiing, skiing people and Californians fleeing the taxes. It's an idiot lasagna. Well, I mean, like, look, people, I like, you know, as the article goes on here, the co-owner of Hoochcraft cocktail bar, but it says, according to New York Post, Galger, Galger is a registered Democrat, and Hoochcraft cocktail bar is a gay friendly bar
Starting point is 00:04:16 that hosted a Winter Wonderland burlesque and drag show back in January, per an invitation to advertise the event on social media. Now, people will, Now people will certainly comment on the juxtaposition of Arnant Culture Warrior and Anti-Gay, Anti-Drag, Anti-Trans, Demogog, Lauren Boebert dating a registered Democrat who runs a bar that host drag theme events at it. But I think they're overlooking the much more important
Starting point is 00:04:45 piece of commonality between these two individuals is that they're both bar and grill owners. And I think it's true. There's a Colorado that supersedes, you know, these petty culture war disputes. Yeah. Yeah. Part of the same class. Which what is that? Oh, it matters more. What a shock. I can't believe it. If I was Lauren Bober and the doofus that she's with, I would start hiring protection because Colorado, like you are right. Colorado is, it's like a sanctuary for modern day hoopleheads, you might say. Yeah. It's a stupid state. It's a really stupid state.
Starting point is 00:05:22 But Colorado's governor is, he posts on R-Slash, Neoliberal, he's like a von Meises Institute Democrat, Jared Paulus. He's really trying to, yeah, he's really trying to make Colorado the like, Madaglacious Yimbi state. He's trying to do it like a good image. And if like people realize and remember Lauren Bober, she's given Crooked Hand Beesies up and down the Colorado River.
Starting point is 00:05:53 They're gonna be like, wait a minute, I don't care if this state like voted for you by like 20 points. I don't care if this is essentially like a bluer state than New York in the last, in the last election cycle. This is a state for idiots. I'm not going to, I'm not going to build a super condo development. I'm not saying yes to anything in our backyard.
Starting point is 00:06:14 Yeah. I mean, yeah, like, because Polis is the, like, end stage liberal who is fully only a Democrat for cultural issues. Like that's it. Otherwise, like complete libertarian economic identity. And the premise of that is conservative social views are stupid. They're dumb. They're for hillbillies. They're for knuckle draggers. And if the rest of the citizens of Colorado can't rise above that standard, he's going to be gone. He's going to leave you people.
Starting point is 00:06:43 Yeah. Well, I hated, of course, Lauren Bobert had to sort of humble herself and go on an end and say, I was a little too eccentric. I'm on the edge on a lot of things. Folks, the only one on edge was her date after not being completed. I love the cheat. I love that her defense of this is like that she's a manic fit. She's a dreamer. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:07:02 Like her kids are in college. Yes, she's a grandmother. Her kid has aer. Yeah. Like her. Your kids are in college. Yes, she's a grandmother. Her kid has a kid. And she also, the fact that she lied about the vaping before they found, oh, yeah, there's a fucking, of course, there's a fucking, do you not think there are cameras everywhere in public? You fucking moron. You're going to be able to say, oh, no, I wasn't vaping.
Starting point is 00:07:20 There's a fucking camera everywhere in it. And then she has to go like, I,'ve had sort of the Reagan thing with Iran control. Like I said, I still believe I didn't pay, but the evidence tells me that's not true. Like Hassan Manaz, she was communicating emotional truths. Oh my God, that motherfucker. She's just right.
Starting point is 00:07:38 He's, I love saying. I'm sorry. Oh, I could joke because it's the service of a punchline. Oh, really, you have those? That would be, I'd like to hear one. Like more people, people like you killed comedy by saying it this, it can't be funny. Isn't enough. It has to be politically meaningful.
Starting point is 00:07:52 Well, that means you've lost that standard. You can't say, oh, it's at least funny because it's not fucking funny. Yeah. There were people who were comparing it to like Richard prior or like Dave shit with a Dave ship hell joke where the baby is selling a weed out of a limo. And it's like, those are jokes. Those are things that people applaud at the end of. Yeah, this is stuff to make him look oppressed.
Starting point is 00:08:16 Yeah, and also like what, like one of the things that he lied about was that it's rooted in a girl rejecting in the high school. That's insane. That's fucking insane. He said that he invented this whole thing. Okay, in reality, his son Minaj asked out this girl,
Starting point is 00:08:33 he was friends with. Yeah, he asked for her to go to homecoming with him or some shit. And she said, no, I like you as a friend, but blah, blah, blah. And like 25 years later, he crashed this whole story where her family could smile. It's like Romeo and Juliet with a Rachel Quinge where they're like, we actually,
Starting point is 00:08:53 we're not letting our daughter date a Muslim. And it was this whole dramatic thing, and it just did not happen. None of it happened. And the first two times he did it, he like put her name on. Like he used her real name and picture. He's insane.
Starting point is 00:09:10 He's insane. And like, it seems, turns once again, politics is just sex. That's all it is. Your sides are picked by the way your dick is bent. And then everything follows that for perfect. It's a perversion, public. I don't, I don't like presumably presumably he's had sex like since high school at least once. Yeah, he's got kids. I just like. He's well, he had to have sex to produce the daughter that had
Starting point is 00:09:35 anthrax splashed on her. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, we'll get to that. But it's like, how do you hold on to like one rejection from high school? That's like the population of this fucking country you're talking to. Like how many people's politics is entirely based on some sexual, probably trauma in high school that they've never gotten cast. And you know what, that's not like the entire school
Starting point is 00:10:01 like saw his dick and was like, oh, his son, you have a stupid view of the small cock. It was one girl being like nicely rejecting him. Princess and the pee, the normal or the rest of your life is the more unforgettable traumatic minor incidents are. I guess so. Yeah, but it's just like, I don't know. I mean, A, he's not funny, but B, like, I don't know,
Starting point is 00:10:26 like heavily embellishing or just outright making up these sort of like just-so stories of, I don't know, American racism and oppression of, you know, like, of him and like, you know, oh, a girl friend zone me. And you know, I guess like, yeah, the explanation for that is yeah, her family didn't want her dating a Muslim.
Starting point is 00:10:45 And it's just like, all part of this tabistry would be like, oh, I'm crafting humor out of the horrible racism that non-white people face in this country. And it's just sort of like, hey, not wanting to begin with. And it's just sort of like bringing your own daughter into it, bringing real people from what's a high school with. He is right that, hey, I'm trying to get an effect.
Starting point is 00:11:09 It's just that traditionally that effect that was being pursued by a comedian is laughs. But his effect is different. His effect is to craft like a vision of himself for the audience. Like I am the type of person who suffers these sort of oppressions in my life and yet still carries on. And that's it. It's just a it's self promotion. It's not self-promotion to, hey everybody, here's some funny jokes that'll make you like me because I'm funny. You didn't have that talent. So instead you will like me because you feel bad for me, I guess. As a probably white liberal who's very feels very guilty about the country that
Starting point is 00:11:45 they live in and they're going to be like, oh my God, that went, you went through that. You're great. I'm going to watch your boring, unfunny Netflix show now. You know, like him being exposed is kind of a fraud. I'll say this, you know, someone else made this point, but boy, oh boy, is he breathing easy after the Russell brand news this weekend? He's taking a big load off. He's like, oh, shoo, that's that New Yorker profile.
Starting point is 00:12:08 No one gives a shit about that anymore. Yeah. Russell brand really, he dove in front of him. Yeah. The Russell brand thing's been funny because it's a bunch of people who are like, come on. Could you, before this article, could you imagine this guy raping anyone? This is clearly a hit, man. Well, that's, that's the thing is that the, this idea that he is being targeted because he's too dangerous to the regime. That just, it's like, I kind of get where the basis of that comes from because, you know because these kind of stories are organized, you know, like somebody at a newspaper or a magazine,
Starting point is 00:12:47 it's like, this guy, I'm gonna look into them. And you're thinking, or you can argue if you're a certain frame of mind, oh yeah, they got a deep state call, you gotta take out brand. He's saying too much confusing gibberish to people, it's gonna make them do something. This fall of getting to the Greek has too much of a purchase of the youth of the West.
Starting point is 00:13:06 But there's another thing, there's another possibility that just by being who he is, he's very annoying. And people decide, you know what? Maybe this, hey, maybe all the stories I heard about this incredibly annoying person that like have permeated England for like 20 years. Maybe I could check into some of those and so, oh wow, look at that.
Starting point is 00:13:24 The incredibly annoying person has some skeletons in their closet. Yeah, they went after him, but not because he's going to bring down their machine because he's fucking irritating. Right, it's like kind of half true in this way, right? Where it's like these stories were out there before, but like no one, there was no impetus to do this because like, you know, you could say, oh, he was like useful to Paramount or Universal or whatever like he was in, right? Yeah, and now that he's not in anymore now that he
Starting point is 00:13:54 Does the lowest form of entertainment which is making YouTube videos arguing about medicine? Just I don't know how anyone watches that Look if the vaccine's like make your dick fall off, I still wouldn't watch that stuff. It's so boring. I don't want to see anyone go like, oh, but there's a Kwondo, Rondo, five in it. I don't give a shit.
Starting point is 00:14:18 Shut the fuck up. But, you know, yeah, it's easier to do this story when he's not in movies anymore. That aspects certainly true, but it's just like, okay, do you think that they, they were lying when they planted the seeds of this story 20 years ago? Wouldn't like Danny Munoz,
Starting point is 00:14:38 was like this guy's a fucking creep in 2006. Like, no, this has been like an open secret, it's a incredibly long time. But it still takes like a particular impetus to bring it into focus. And that's the thing, that process that is an inevitable part of any journalistic conveyor belt, that is completely compromised. Like there is no collective faith in that process anymore. So there is no collective assimilation
Starting point is 00:15:08 of any story anymore, because your preexisting relationship to the subject of the story determines your analysis of the process that you found out about it. Right, and you're done. Yeah, and as such, like all the people are like, oh, thank God, I'm not gonna have to see him anymore
Starting point is 00:15:25 Like, unfortunately you're mistaken because if he was still in movies, yes, that might be the case but if your audience is there to watch you argue about medicine, yeah, it does not matter what they say you did an article Yep, you're still gonna see him. He's still gonna be making those videos about that damn medicine Yeah, and you know the you can you can walk around in your head thinking that Russell Brand is now talking about medicine and not starring in movies because he cares so much about the medicine. He cares just so darn much about America and the UK and the future. And that if he was still able to make movies that he would not, not give a fucking shit about medicine and who would be making movies, they actually think that he walked away from the films, walked away from actual
Starting point is 00:16:09 stardom to tell the truth. Not, well, I can't be in movies anymore, but people will still watch me just ramble. And actually, you know what? I'm a principled truth teller against the evil medicines, which is more likely, which fits your understanding of human nature better. Are you going to believe in fairies now? Well, to Segway slightly back to our original topic. All right, Bobaert. I've been one way for Bobaert. Yeah, I just wanted to talk about sex crimes.
Starting point is 00:16:37 But let's go talk about sex good times right now. Right. Right. Everyone, everyone, our cells included on this show, we're always complaining about how every single politician in charge of this country is like a million fucking years old and they're just gonna die with their skeleton-like hand on the levers of power. And then here comes Boba, coming along,
Starting point is 00:16:57 doing something cool and young that regular people can relate to. Which is, she was squeezing it in. Clearly. She was very ready to go. That dude, he was not finessing the game. If you watch that, he's just grabbing it like a ball and it's just, it's like he's got oven mitts on. There's just, yeah, no, there was no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, subtle pinch of the nipple. It was a light again. He just flops this thing onto her arm
Starting point is 00:17:24 and just frill this back onto her arm and just threw this back and forth. And she just immediately goes for his dick. He batted at those tits like a manure. He looked like a palisca. He's like giving those things. And yeah. So yeah. And then now she's got to apologize for it, but you know, I mean, I and Andrew Hudson already made this point, but joking aside, it is funny that she is in like, the anti drag queen person when it's just like, Lady, you're fucking and song in public and it children's musical. Beatles use the musical is not for adults.
Starting point is 00:18:00 It's the drag themed bars are events for adults. You're at a musical for children just going to town on your guys dick. A guy who has drag shows at his bar. Oh my God. Well, maybe she's trying to win him back for the hetero's. She's on a secret mission. But I mean, we're really seeing here. What happens when like the the true believing small bourgeois maniacs make it into power because remember the the the the anti squad the the ladies who entered Congress the the QAnon contingent was Marjorie Taylor Green and Boba and Marjorie Taylor Green came in as like the more a fire breathing one of them. Yeah, who
Starting point is 00:18:42 also is in a deep red district in northern Georgia that she has no chance of ever being removed from. And she came and immediately cut to leadership and became a little, a little soldier of Kevin McCarthy. Barbara goes in there, fuck you. She's one of those people who like made them vote 50 times to let the idiot become speaker of the house. She's still like a maximal conflict with leadership.
Starting point is 00:19:03 But here she is jacking off a guy doing drag team story time already after what barely getting reelected. This is her first term. She's already just having a good time with a fellow member of her class no longer fired with the desire to change anything. And she's going, you can just see her on her path to a total assimilation into it because yeah, she divorced her loser husband and now she's out on the town and there's going to be so many pleasures dangled before her. Do you really think she's going to still want to put her finger on the button?
Starting point is 00:19:34 No, she's going to want to jack a guy off at fucking Aladdin. Yeah. You bet you'd be mentioning her loser husband though. She did say that she said she called criticism of her behavior at the show difficult and humbling and said well None of my actions or words is a private citizen that night were intended to be malicious or meant to cause harm The reality is they did and I regret that she also cited her public and difficult divorce and center behavior Simply fell short of her values. You will remember of course The man that she's getting divorced from
Starting point is 00:20:05 was the guy who exposed himself to some teenagers at a bowling alley. And then she defended him for that too. Beautiful. Welcome to the club, Lauren. But Matt, you made a point recently about how, like Bobert and Marjord Hiller Green coming in in the anti-squad class.
Starting point is 00:20:21 Marjord Hiller Green becoming a licks fiddle of, you know, the McCarthy and, you know, the, the establishment of a Republican party. Um, and then Bober doing the opposite, but barely, barely winning reelection. And here's the thing, Bardred Hill or Green is something and fulking like CrossFit instructors and, you know, yoghurt. You know, she's, she's, she's stepping all the time. She is.
Starting point is 00:20:40 She is hot to try. Yeah. She's a goer. But the thing is, she's getting away with it because she's ugly. Lauren Bober is by the standards of politics. Pretty damn, she's a firecracker. By the standards of Congress. Yeah, you guys remember, we're nearly on a wildly perverted curve here. Yes. Like, I had fight scene is like right in the middle of the bell curve here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What about hotter members of Congress? Mitch McConnell is like BMOC middle of the bell turn. Yeah. Yeah. Mitch, what about hotter members of Congress?
Starting point is 00:21:05 Mitch McConnell is like BMOC, big man on campus. Felix, I was thinking about you because I, you know, I, I, you know, I'm, I'm myself from taking part in it right now. One of my favorite anytime sort of like a, like a, a paling figure and her high jinx makes the national news. We get a very good display of horny lives. Yes. So we just be like, I'll give her some of my beetle juice if you know what I'm talking about. Yeah, I'd like to give her a hanging chad. The horned up lives, the horned up lives myself
Starting point is 00:21:40 included are loving this one. I love those guys. I was so happy to see that Brian rediscovered that image. Did you see Sarah Palin block me for this recently? Really? I want to Sarah up to these days. I'll tell you. She just got divorced. She made her semester abroad. Yeah, she made a video where it's like her and one of her invisible daughters, they're going to an exhibit that's like
Starting point is 00:22:08 Van Gogh for children basically. It's like a huge playroom style thing where you can walk around a room that's like a dream. And it's, she used like Windows Movie Maker or something and composed such a weird style that I said it was like, you know, it's the feeling of taking too much night well. It's like dreaming.
Starting point is 00:22:31 It's like, you take that fifth Benadryl right before you start seeing spiders. And she is doing semester abroad with her daughter, which like, I have to say, as I predicted, if you have a kid young enough, like Sarah Palin did, you know, she had a kid when she was like 20, eventually, that kid's gonna get older than you. Sarah Palin is like 49 now, her daughter's 52. It's just gonna happen. It's just they're gonna surpass you. They're gonna get older than you.
Starting point is 00:23:01 You're young enough. Yeah, I will say though, I got a few other stories here. Lauren Bober is really not the only one. There's been a lot of news out of Congress this week of our elected representatives or aspiring elected representatives, either sledding it up or slabbing it up. And I suppose we're going to start with John Fetterman changing the Senate dress code so he can dress like the guy from Smash Mouth did RIP. Yeah. Do we have audio of Ron condemning this, by the way? Oh, yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:32 No, but I think that it's going to adhere me to the hooting masses who love Donald Trump more than life. It's turning into the evil principle from a rock and roll high school sequel. Yeah. turning into the evil principle from a rock and roll high school sequel. Yeah, Governor DeSantis, 75% of the voters you have to win, wear t-shirts that are so big that they're basically calf tans. How do you respond? You guys want to hear some of that audio? Yeah, ask me what I've got.
Starting point is 00:23:58 I'll give it up for you. It's really good, I promise you. Yes. So, very nice. I think you're wearing today, but something, I think you're a little over dressed up, but a cap on a heel. Very nice seat. You're wearing today. But some like, say, you're a little over dressed up. So, you have a cap on the heel. Oh my gosh.
Starting point is 00:24:10 Great start. Did you guys hear the US Senate just eliminated its dress code? Because you got this guy from Pennsylvania. I was going to have a lot of problems. I mean, let's just be honest. Like, how he got elected. Well, I mean, he got elected because they didn't want the alternative. But he wears like sweatshirts and hoodies and shorts.
Starting point is 00:24:32 And that's his thing. So he would campaign in that, which is your prerogative, right? I mean, that's what you want to do. But to show up in the United States Senate with that and not have the decency to put on proper attire, I think it's disrespectful to the body. And I think the fact that the Senate changed the rules to accommodate that, you know, I think looks,
Starting point is 00:24:52 speaks very poorly to how they consider that look. We need this country, we need to be lifting up our standards in this country, not coming down our standards in this country. And this is an example why. Oh, perfect. No, the people are going to. It's just prerogative. People are going to rally to the banner for this story.
Starting point is 00:25:10 Yes. Yeah, no, no. There's one thing the American voter has really cared about in 2023. It's showing the proper respect for the United States Senate. But this doesn't show. Like, Federman, I'm sorry. Like, if you are a electoral reformist
Starting point is 00:25:24 who is seeking like some, some sort of dialectical synthesis, so can like actually carry forward what you imagine could be a progressive version of the Democratic Party. And you know, good luck if that's what you believe. Betterman is like your fucking quidzak hot or out here because he is the only one who just by being who he is actually breaks through the cultural polarities that like keep you in like a shrinking percentage of like working class voters. Like just by being a slop.
Starting point is 00:25:53 Like if you look at his margins in Pennsylvania and they were nailing him for that during the the primary two and they were nailing him for literally having a stroke and he want you want to so many like Trump counties and then he shows up at the Senate and the Republicans who should by this point know where their cultural bread is butter that they are, if they have a future, it is at the no as the no college party at the not wearing a suit party. They just can't resist that they go after the only thing they can see about them and it just it shatters and destroys their programming that allows them to just effortlessly
Starting point is 00:26:28 array things in the right, uh, culture war sides. And he's the guy, too bad his brain apparently is, uh, is not working too good. Because otherwise he would be the guy. I mean, yeah, I mean, better, better, better the, the XXL shorts and, and, and slide, uh, you know, slide on this, then, you know, a hospital gown. But I mean, I could care, I could care less of his brain works. Like, if he votes right, you know, I could put my hands over his eyes and he could think I could disappear.
Starting point is 00:26:55 I don't care, you know, whatever. The real thing for me that prevents me from getting excited about any future prospects is he just like, I mean, it's a calculation I get, but nonetheless hate, but he immediately folded on Israel. You know, he immediately, oh yeah, of course. Yeah, he immediately, you know, is clear. I wanna, I wanna smooth rides of the Senate. Yeah, you know, there are jobs in which like,
Starting point is 00:27:23 even myself, like I feel a certain level of like, again, totally symbolic reassurance by having the people doing the job where a suit, like for instance, pilot on an airplane. Like, I know, even though I know these are okay pilot, like if my, if the airline pilot was dressed like John Fatterman, I'd be like, I don't know how good I feel about that. Again, totally irrational, totally symbolic thinking, but like, I'm just, I'm admitting that on my part. US Senator is not one of them.
Starting point is 00:27:48 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry. US Senator should have to wear the sports jerseys of the states they represent. It's the only thing that they're allowed to wear in the Senate.
Starting point is 00:27:58 The place where Jim Imhoff wadred in with a fucking snowball and waved it around to prove the global warming wasn't real. We, we, they're lying by putting these apes and suits. So that's, that's Federman, uh, slapping it up. But I just have two more examples here. Uh, politician sludding it up. Um, uh, governor of Christy gnome having supposedly allegedly years long affair with Corey Lewandowski.
Starting point is 00:28:22 That is, I, I'm pretty surprised by that one. I mean, I knew that Corey had gotten with Hope Hicks. That's old news. I'm not going to worry. I'm not. Well, it just, it makes sense because he was sort of like the alpha male in that campaign, and that was like our only option. It's whatever, you know, when I get with her, I don't care who she's been with. But, I don't care about body counts. Yeah, I don't. Actually, Cory Lewandowski does, because he's got one.
Starting point is 00:28:55 He's got two. I'm not talking said, he's talking sex. But I am impressed and he fucked a governor. Yeah. That's pretty impressive to me. His murderous Polo Charm worked on a governor granted of one of the decodas. Yeah, it's still like a half-chunaer.
Starting point is 00:29:12 A half-chunaer, half-chunaer there. Yeah. But it's still, you know, she gets invited to, she was on the short list for VPs for Trump. Yeah. And then finally, we've got House candidate from Virginia, Susanna Gibson, a Democrat, was doing sex on chatterbait with her husband for tips, which apparently violates, chatterbaits rules.
Starting point is 00:29:38 But I got to say Susanna Gibson, even hotter than Lauren Bobert. Whoa, we got to get her into Congress. We need to make this happen quick. You listen to the Chop O'Message, an hour, we attract this, a various women and there's sexual affairs. No, this story's kind of charming to me because like, okay, chatterbait.
Starting point is 00:29:57 Yeah, I thought that's a still a thing. I didn't even know that was a thing, yeah. Yeah, that's very quaint. It was. She was sending her butthole on Friendster. Yeah, it's very quaint. It was. She was sending her butthole on Friendster. Yeah, it's very, it's like, it's like cute. Yeah. I just love in the Washington Post coverage of this story, it says here, Susanna Gibson, a nurse practitioner, hello nurse, and mother of two young children running
Starting point is 00:30:17 in a highly competitive suburban Richmond district, streamed sex acts on chatterbait. A platform that says it takes this name from the active masturbating while chatting online. Look, I actually, I give her a lot of credit for this because she's saying that she's not dropping out of the race and that, like, you know, like this, you know, attack on her, you know, sexuality or personal autonomy or whatever. I mean, I just give her credit for not dropping out of the race over this, you know. I gotta say though. She's trying to, like, get a little side hustle you know doing doing sex on can i would really be interested in the federal election commission ruling on whether you can show whole online for donation well i have both citizens united they better allow you to show whole for money it seems like it's implied very heavily by citizens united so she should reine spons that way absolutely uh moving on uh from the the highinks of Congress, let's talk about the high jinks of the
Starting point is 00:31:07 Air Force, who have lost in F-35, straight up lost in F-35, and this from the Wall Street Journal, an advanced Marine Corps F-35B jet fighter, oh wow, this is like the, you know, even more next gen here, jet fighter went missing Sunday after a mishap forced a pilot to eject near Charleston, South Carolina. The pilot ejected safely and was being treated at a local medical center, but the plane couldn't be found as of Sunday evening, a spokesman from joint based Charleston said, this is the, I know Chris will love this story and he loved this, this part of the story. If you have any information that may help our recovery teams locate the F-35,
Starting point is 00:31:45 please call the base defense operations center, the Post said, they're putting out a 1-800 number for just Charleston, South Carolina area that like, hey, have you seen this missing F-35? If so, call this number. Now, friends, listeners, if you are a chop-ohead in the Charleston or just South Carolina area, we would like to engage your services in the most epic treasure hunt of all times. This is like Mr. Beast here. Find that F-35 and sell it to us so we can sell it to the Chinese. This is your, this is your Mr. Beast style challenge. $3 trillion jet, shrugging. No, we should absolutely not give it to the Saudis or I'm sorry, we shouldn't give it to China We like China. We should give it to the Saudi
Starting point is 00:32:27 Yes, yes The best thing about giving exploding plane to the Saudis is you're not like You're not giving it to like a poor conscript who didn't want to be there. Yeah, all the Gulf The Gulf monarchies the modern version of the cavalry, the spot for the nobility is flying hybrid fighter, air to ground, multi-role jets, things like the piece of shit F-35. You are guaranteed to kill a member of the royal family.
Starting point is 00:33:01 Yep, that's gonna fly right off. Although, holy this guy ejected without being decapitated. So, well, it's in the group. Yeah, Matt, keep in mind, this is the F 35 B. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So, it started out a lot of the decapitation problems at the F 35 A. They got the kinks out.
Starting point is 00:33:17 Doesn't cut your head off every other time. Okay. I eject anymore. Like, some people are speculated that the plane could still be on autopilot and it's still just sort of like cruising around out there or something or It's hard to believe that like an F-35 could crash in South Carolina. They're still like I don't Blue Ridge mountains or something or nobody else. I don't know
Starting point is 00:33:38 I like to think that's still out there just still cruising down the lane because he like dropped a hoagie onto a big button that said it checked So cruising down the lane, because he like dropped a hoagie onto a big button that said it checked. Like I don't, I need more explanation of how the guy ejected accidentally, well just flying the thing. I need to know how that happened. Did the plane do it? Did the plane hijack itself?
Starting point is 00:33:56 Are we at that point? Are we in the blue stealth? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's just a few of the things going on. But I'd like now to transition into another sort of like the big political story of last week and the, and this weekend, which is the, the mid-ROM these sort of retirement victory lap, you know, like he, he announced over the weekend that, where, which victories?
Starting point is 00:34:39 No, no, no, no, no, I was the right guy. What's the role that the trophy chest filled with? Well, this is my point. His victory is retiring now. And his victory is in his video where he announces that he will not seek reelection. He just says, it's because I'm too old. And it's clearly like a pointed barb
Starting point is 00:34:57 at both Biden and Trump. But I love the troll of Mitt Rondi, who is the hand-sumist and healthiest 80-year-old man on the planet, just saying, sorry, can't serve an office anymore, I'm simply too old than in firm. He's thunting on him, and good on him for that. But what I say, his victory retirement lap, is that he now gets to bow out as a statesman and have his version of events be sort of chiseled into the tablet of his career you know what i mean
Starting point is 00:35:29 and and and mainly this takes a form of a mccay coppins piece um and then uh which is an excerpt from a book coming out it's said oh what mid-rownly saw in the senate and you know like it's about his his horror at like you know the most of my party doesn't even believe in the constitution anymore and it's just a way to him so like i said like shank Biden and the It's about his horror at most of my party doesn't even believe in the Constitution anymore. And it's just a way to him, like I said, shank Biden and the Democrats who were so very mean to him when he ran for president, and also make a stance for the sensible constitutional style Republican as opposed to the barking hordes of mag and Republicans, who view him as a traitor. Now, I think I thought this was best summed up by that guy.
Starting point is 00:36:10 You know, like I know a Blum. Yeah. Yeah, real shit has no Blumkin. The films that come out of there. Wonderful. As I said, he writes here, the way Romney was treated, 100% set the stage republicans to want something like trump and y'all better come to terms of it billyx once again fuck off even the new conservatives are getting so now
Starting point is 00:36:32 yet so is everywhere so is universal it's like coral from uh... armored core six penetrates all uh... i have to say like if you're meant romney and you want like you know you want to be normal time again, your best hope would be like a Biden 2008 or better style blowout against Trump. That's really the only thing you can bet. It has to be seven points or greater.
Starting point is 00:36:59 It has to, Biden has to win in 2024 by that much, or you're just, you're not going to get to be normal again. I'm sorry. That's just the way it is. Yeah, that's for sure. They need to, they need to just a huge up, just a massive repudiation. And I don't know if, I don't know if old Joe's got it in him, frankly. Yeah. Let's just say a lot would need to happen.
Starting point is 00:37:21 Yeah, wouldn't it? But, you know, like, by sort of creating for himself, this kind of self-authored moment of statesmen, like humility and bowing out with grace. Like I said, he's a reward for that as he sort of gets to like write his own story about his career, which you know, before I dive into the McKay-Copens piece in the Atlantic,
Starting point is 00:37:43 I just want to say that, despite the way he sort of talked about, mostly among Democrats now, Mitt Romney's career in the private sector was just, it was a thousand times more destructive to like American lives and anything Donald Trump ever did with his chinchy real estate scams and like naming licensing rights and shit like that.
Starting point is 00:38:01 It's a, that economy is just a perfect illustration of how, of how these people are able to mystify themselves. Cause Mitt Romney now has, through this narrative, convinced himself, well, you know, this Trump stuff's bad, but it's not because of my party or my worldview. It's because the Democrats were too unfair to me when I ran for president, cause I'm a good guy and I'm not like this guy,
Starting point is 00:38:20 but they treated me like a bad guy. Meanwhile, he is actually responsible for Trump, but not because the Democrats were mean to him, but because he was one of the corporate pirates of a class of people who systematically dismantled the manufacturing economies of the Midwestern states that Trump won in 2026, 2016. So he is literally responsible for it. Because he lives in the fantasy land of politics, he gets to tell himself, you know, it did come down to me, but it came down to Democrats being so mean to me. Unlike everybody else in every other presidential election in history, like what the fuck do you think running an election is you are very mean to
Starting point is 00:38:58 the other side. You try to scare people into voting against them. That's what's always been. Remember, Republicans don't do that. You gotta get, yeah, yeah. They said that John Kerry gave himself a bump like a pro wrestler. You know, like this is, yeah. And they were right, they were right to. It's a little, the little purple hearts
Starting point is 00:39:17 at the convention, you crying bitch. Yeah, it's politics, you know, girl. Yeah, but yeah, Mitt Romney, Mitt Romney was strip mining, you know, medium-sized companies, three at a time, for what? We ask, it turns out to eat the monious, ex-style meals of frozen salmon on hamburger buns while watching sub-prisd TV alone. You have the real, he has like a billion dollars. What's that just bone-shilling part about it is that he did this He is one of the people whose blood's on his hands for the Republic that he thinks he loves and this is the 30 pieces of silver He got yeah, Duke Cunningham had a boat
Starting point is 00:39:59 The Duke he's living like Marty Hart after the divorce Yeah If I was really a prom. If I was Mitt Romney and I'm doing like the Nick Beth thing of like, look, I'm already going to hell. Like I already, I did all this shit. I, but I have like a billion dollars. I have this body unpoisoned by vaping or alcohol
Starting point is 00:40:22 or anything. What am I doing with my billion dollars? I'm getting two drifters to fight each other in my living room. I'm doing stuff like that. I'm playing the most dangerous game. I'm not watching Ted Lasso eating a misery salmon meal. And scrolling, scrolling online,
Starting point is 00:40:42 like every other loser, you could do that on like sub minimum wage, man. You need to destroy the lives of millions of people so you can live the way that a depressed middle manager does. It's really, it's really, really bad. I mean, all the other private equity guys, like Henry Kravis from Barbarians at the Gate, they live in the coolest places ever.
Starting point is 00:41:05 Are these guys bad? Yes, they're some of the worst Americans in the last 50 years. But Henry Kravitz lives in a three-story apartment with a swimming pool. It not in the building, like in his unit. In unit swimming pool, yeah. Yeah, well pretty cool. Pretty cool stuff. What you're talking about, I think, sort of gets to the heart of Mitt Romney, like, cool pretty cool stuff. What you're talking about
Starting point is 00:41:25 I think sort of gets to the heart of Mitt Romney like as a national figure and like the the way for like for the for whom like for the people for whom he represents this kind of like The road not taken for Republic. I sort of constitutional moderate Republican statesmen to like, you know She shepherd our country and the way that he was never and never really got over Despite the fact that on paper every like he was a popular governor of a democratic state, you know like Obamacare was his health care plan. He got the Olympics to Salt Lake City Record of success in business popular in both Utah and Massachusetts and his holding political office But here's the thing we've talked about before and I alluded to this in his trolling of Trump and Biden for being like, I'm too old.
Starting point is 00:42:09 If you would told me Mitt Romney is 80, I'd be like, you're lying. Get the fuck out of here. If he looks 50 years old, and it's an advertisement him and his gorgeous, huge family, it's an advertisement for the Church of Latter-day Saints. But here's the thing, he talked about it many times
Starting point is 00:42:23 before on the show. Mormons and Mitt Romney himself is too American for America. When we encounter someone who looks like the president in a movie and behaves like it, or is just more American than we are, it frightens, it's just so. What the fuck are you? What's this?
Starting point is 00:42:41 We don't relate to him. Thank you, Patrick. Yeah, we do not relate to that. It a regional original reason why Homer hates Ned Flanders Yes, planus Diaz neighbor retails the handles Flanders, but my friends call me Ned Hi Flanders. We I mean Biden polls bad sure He underperformed in his last election, but he underperformed in his last election but people are more way more comfortable with the idea of Biden as president than ever anyone like Mitt Romney. You know what? Yeah, you can't imagine what's going on in his mind. The only actual like actual bigotry that prevented Mitt Romney from
Starting point is 00:43:17 getting becoming the Republican president of the United States is from evangelical Christians who regard Mormons as a you you know, wildly heretical blasphemers. Like I mean, I'll give a shit one way or another. Which it is, but like what do you think? That's not that's not that's a sweat off my nose. It's the perfection of American Christianity. It is that shit from the evangelicals is just a hater fuel. That is just here.
Starting point is 00:43:41 You got blown. You got beat Joseph Smith. He had a little bit of a step on you and he perfected American. Un drafted. Un drafted. We're hooting on jugs and giving yourself strict nine poisoning. Joseph Smith went, he went to, he was from a, he was from a big East Conference School. No football there at all. Un drafted comes into the league of major American religions, blows everyone out of the water. Even Jelicles are fucking their broke.
Starting point is 00:44:06 They want to be ballers. The worst multiple times. Yeah, they suck. What if we've said it a million times? Mormons are everything they pretended they. Indeed. Even Jelicles have to do this like sub-grifuge where they draw Jesus and increasingly like whiter shades to make him look more and more American?
Starting point is 00:44:25 Uh, Mormons are like, no, he was American. He was American. He came to this passport. Yeah. That's called going for it. Yeah. They didn't give a fuck and they they pay. It's like, I'm sorry.
Starting point is 00:44:36 You guys couldn't handle being Mormon. You could not stand up to the rigors of it. So just go to your make a church. Yeah. No, and no evangelical could handle the pressure of being a god make a church. Yeah. No. And no evangelical could handle the pressure of being a god on a planet. Oh my God. Running their own planet. They can't even run Liberty University. There's a little bit from the Atlantic article because like in addition to his mind of Jason fail meals, there's some pretty, pretty good color about Mitt Romney,
Starting point is 00:45:04 including this first paragraph. For most of his life, Mitt Romney has nursed a morbid fascination with his own death, suspecting that it might assert itself one day suddenly and violently. I mean, like, bro, you won. You're in your 80s and could probably run a marathon tomorrow. Like, just forget about it, dude. Just take a load off. Like, it doesn't matter. But he says he controls what he can, of course. He wears his seat belt and diligently applies sunscreen and stays away from secondhand smoke. For decades, he's followed his doctor's recipe for longevity with monastic dedication. The lean meets the low dose aspirin, the daily 30-minute sessions on the stationary bike, heartbeat at 140 or higher, it doesn't count.
Starting point is 00:45:45 He would live to be 120 if he could. So much is going to happen, he says, when asked about this particular desire, I want to be around to see it. That's ominous. But some part of him is always doubted that he'll get anywhere close. Yes.
Starting point is 00:45:57 The great eye will open. What a guy like that says it. Project Arcturus will be culminated. We're finally going to divide the the sectors of America into different corridors. We're going to elect the flesh emperors. I'm hearing that our red heifer research department is going to really close. But listen to this, he says, he has never really interrogated the cause of this preoccupation, but premonitions of death seem to follow him. Once years ago, he boarded an airplane for a business trip to London and a flight attendant whom he'd never met saw him gasped and rushed from the cabin in horror.
Starting point is 00:46:47 When she was asked, listen to this, listen to this, Felix. When she was asked what had so upset her, she confessed that she dreamt the night before about a man who looked like him, exactly like him, getting shot and killed at a rally in Hyde Park. He didn't know how to respond, out there then to laugh and put it out of his mind. exactly like him getting shot and killed at a rally in hide park he didn't know how to respond other than to laugh and put it out of his mind but when a few days later he happened to find himself on the park's edge and saw crowd forming he made a point not to linger
Starting point is 00:47:15 can you imagine how happy would it he would have been if he had been in the capital on january sixth all right hold apart like the captain in the day of the dead. Oh, so, God, oh, so, God, it would have been like, uh, in the last season of the shield, when Shane Vendrell is like suicidal. Yeah. And he's, he's like trying to die as a hero all those times, all those great scenes. And then he just, he gets to be, he just to be just shredded by his fellow Republicans. Yeah. I, I, I, you, okay.
Starting point is 00:47:50 Ultimate Parker. I have something, I do have a similar thing to this, honestly. Like a little bit. I have, I've been huge on hypokondriacs. I, I absolutely get him on that. Oh, I'm not, I'm not a hypokondriac at all. I'm kind of like the opposite. I feel like if someone,
Starting point is 00:48:05 you either think you're gonna die of a disease or something or you think something's gonna kill you. We're right. I'm right. I think it's the other thing. Like disease, I feel like if someone could tell me I have cancer and I could just sleep it off. I'd be fine.
Starting point is 00:48:18 But like I did have, I had like a dream, like a sleep paralysis thing more so. when I was a kid that was like, basically told me I was going to die on a Tuesday. And ever since then, I have just, I've been terrified of flying on Tuesdays. I've been afraid of like really doing it. Wow. And like, I have, you know, again, not a high of a convoy act. I don't think any, like, I talked about this on Twitter. Like, Jewish people can withstand heart attacks, leukemia, being 80 years old. None of that bothers me.
Starting point is 00:48:55 That's not scary to me. I just, I think it would be like a freak thing, like a crazy person shoots me in the head or something like that. That's more kind of like mitt. And I And I feel like I feel like for whatever reason, like it has in reality what actually is that it's right, you know, it's the same thing that dreams always are. It's a jumble of the conscious and subconscious and it doesn't a lot of the times it doesn't actually mean anything and this one assuredly does it. But, you know, we assign special providence to these things. So I end up having
Starting point is 00:49:26 the same thing as him. I will avoid, yeah, being in an airplane on a Tuesday for that reason. I mean, that is, I mean, yeah, if I had a dream that I remembered that vividly of some being telling me that I was simply going to die on a Tuesday, yeah, I would not be, yeah, I mean, I'm not going out for Taco Tuesday, be staying indoors on Tuesdays. This is probably tempting fate, but sometimes I do think like, well, it hasn't happened yet. So far, so good. So far, so good. Now, um, run these premonition of death is used to set up an incident in which the main independent senator Angus King, Angus King, if his famous steakhouse, or rather not of his famous delicious steakhouse, which he should be running instead of whatever dumb bullshit he's up to, basically just about how Angus
Starting point is 00:50:16 King relayed to him a message from a general, I believe, one of the handsome generals about all the chatter or pre-January six that they were hearing on the social media about people arming themselves to come to DC to kill Mitch McConnell. And then Ronny gets Mitch on the phone and it's like Mitch. If you heard about this, like I'm very concerned then Mitch is just like new phone who this. And like basically he tells Mitch McConnell
Starting point is 00:50:38 and he's like yeah, let me get back to you and then just doesn't do anything. And then there's another part where like Mitch is talking shit about Donald Trump and then of course he claims never to have said it, anything of the sort. But that's not the interesting part of this article. The interesting part of the article is this. In the dining room, a 98 inch TV went up on the wall and a leather recliner landed in front of it. Romney, who didn't have many real friends in Washington, ate dinner alone there most nights,
Starting point is 00:51:03 watching Ted Lasso or Better Call Saul as he he leaves through briefing materials. On the day of my first visit, he showed me his freezer, which is full of salmon fillets that had been given to him by Lisa Murkowski, the senator from Alaska. He didn't especially like salmon, but found that if he put it on a hamburger bun and smothered it in ketchup, it made for a serviceable meal. Salmon with ketchup on a hamburger bun. Oh, you know, you can't let it go to waste. Mr. Hotdog meat. You personally are responsible for probably hundreds of thousands of fentanyl deaths.
Starting point is 00:51:33 And you're worried that you're going to waste Murkowski salmon. Just this is the definition of perversion. It does make me like Murkowski because it's like she knows. No one wants to eat that much salmon. She knows that. And it feels like a bullying thing like she does that to anyone she wants to fuck with like a dumbass here is 200 pounds of salmon. Enjoy turn of fifth is in your apartment fucko. That's pretty funny. Yeah, but yeah, I actually surprised me for a guy out as healthy as he is that he doesn't like salmon and like, you know, a hot dog meat famous for his favorite, favorite, favorite
Starting point is 00:52:08 meats. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lemon kind of. And it's not really good. Yeah. The shaman's good in certain contexts. I think the salmon is delicious. I don't know what you're talking about.
Starting point is 00:52:17 When you get it nice and the, the, the pieces just kind of fall apart. You make sure it's enough olive oil, some garlic and lemon juice in there. Sounds like you should go to the Senate put maybe a Yogurt-based sauce so like a like a teriyaki salmon at their meat miso glazed salmon. Oh, it's delicious And oh if we're talking Cedar plankton herb crusted in Is or not you people are these are not planked salmon This is these are frozen salmon that he's defrosting and putting ketchup on. He could do better than this. I enjoy. Jesus. I'm sorry. I'm a freak. This this this this this close to mind, uh, the you know, like a sense memory
Starting point is 00:52:54 of the famous Frank Lundsprowl with him. Oh, yes. Spag Bowl. Watch as a guest. Really? And this is as good as a guest for me. And it's just him like no friends. Just the image of him eating a salmon ketchup burger and watching Ted Lasso on a 98 inch screen. Well, half hard, no wonder he's trying to get out of this. No, but this fucking depressing. Xanadude decree the stately pleasure to all for fuck's sake.
Starting point is 00:53:19 What are you doing? This is the worst ruling class that has ever existed. JP Morgan drank so much that he had a cauliflower shaped growth coming out of his nose. Yeah, he was something to look at. Yeah, he, JP Morgan got pussy. He did all day, every day. Yeah, he had parties where he would eat like 85 oysters. There hasn't been this all this year a member of the ruling class since John D. Rockefeller himself the original sicko
Starting point is 00:53:53 It's true And that's why he's got to be there Signing laws and why he tried to be the guy killing people with like drone strikes and invasions because he needs that because that's how much of a pervert He is Yeah, because that is what draws politics perverts. I gotta say there's a little bit of news or at least not news. More just reminding us of something we all should know that shit about him trying to warn Mitch about January 6th in advance. It really does remind you that like it was not some surprise that these who these fucking whoopal heads are going to storm the palace. Like they were all talking about it
Starting point is 00:54:27 And yet there were still like what like a two rows of guys Just kind of standing like assholes of the the the capital Somebody made a decision at some point to let this shit occur I don't know if there's any way you can argue against that because Look at what happened when they inaugurated the motherfucker. They had the entire National Guard bayonets out on the fucking lawn. They could have had that on January 6th and these fucking pussy's weren't going to do anything if that had happened. Yeah, I mean, like, mid-run the hears in takes it, you know, a thousand percent literal,
Starting point is 00:54:58 but, you know, Mitch McConnell, that's why he never got back. He's like, yeah, sure, they're going to kill me. You know, like, he's like, I don't know that. I don't know. I don't know. They're're gonna kill me okay you know he's like I love that I love that I don't kill me a boy fuck fuck a fuck a fine would go to hell I'm 500 years old at this point I would love to die yeah I actually you think I'm a human I am a mutant descendant of those the 500 year old fucking tortoises and And I'm yearning for death. In Elden Ring, one of the big things is they took out the ruin of death. And there's no more, there's no, like you can't die anymore unless like a magic guy kills you.
Starting point is 00:55:37 And you're just, so you're just condemned to like eternal shitty life. And I feel like that's what happened to him. Yeah, that's why he jazzed those spells. He's waiting. He thinks he sees them. Like in the scrub. Is that him? Is that the magic dude who's going to finally free me from this? Then oh shit. The last thing I want to read from the than a cake cop and profile though is this shortly after moving into his Senate office,
Starting point is 00:56:03 Ron Lee had hung a large rectangular map on the wall. First printed in 1931 by Rand McNally, the histo map attempted to chart the rise and fall of the world's most powerful civilizations through 4,000 years of human history. When Romney first acquired the map, he saw it as a curiosity. After January 6, he became obsessed with it.
Starting point is 00:56:23 He showed me that he showed the map to visitors, brought it up in conversations and speeches. More than once he found himself staring at it alone in his office at night. The Egyptian Empire had rained some 900 years before it was overtaken by the Assyrians. Then the Persians, the Romans, the Mongolians, the Turks, each civilization had its turn and eventually collapsed in on itself. Maybe the falls were inevitable. But what struck Romney the most about the map was how thoroughly it was dominated by tyrants of some kind, Barrow's, Emperor's, Kiser's, Kings. A man gets some people around him and begins to oppress and dominate others. He said the first time he showed me the map, it's a testosterone-related phenomenon perhaps.
Starting point is 00:57:00 I don't know, but in the history of the world, that's's what happens America's experiment in self-rule is fighting against human nature this is a very fragile thing he told me authoritarianism is like the gargoyle looking over the cathedral ready to pounce for the first time in his life and for the first time in his life he wasn't sure if the cathedral would hold I just love the idea of him being up until January 6 he was just like check out this histo map. It's a cool thing in my office. And then after it, he's like staring at it, you know, with a, over a snifter of chocolate
Starting point is 00:57:32 milk or something, just going, all civilizations must crumble. All great men must fall. Here it behold, Ozzy Mandeus. Yeah. He's, he's, he's reading some W. Cleon scouson. Everyone's favorite Mormon apocalyptic nuts, so who love to talk in those giant historical terms. The West has fallen millions, billions must cry to Ted Lazo.
Starting point is 00:57:57 But yeah, I mean, I guess something is like, first of all, like January 6th, that's your first indication that like the, the, the, indication that the gargoyle of authoritarianism stalks the battlements of American democracy. Okay, sure. And then that's its first, you know, barrage across the bow is January 6. But again, it's just like, this is a guy who's been like a down the line Republican
Starting point is 00:58:23 his entire fucking career. And now he's just like like our civilization is about to crumble You know it'll stop it me Resigning and setting an example for everyone and you know what though like I think it's weird like the Mormon thing because you're thinking in terms of Eternity you look at like ancient Egypt ancient Rome, you know the Persian Empire It's like oh they all were around for like a but like you know nine the Persian Empire, it's like, oh, they all were around for like, but like, you know, nine centuries and then fell. That's a good run. Who cares? Like, we're not working ahead of the curve as far as that goes. And it's just sort of like, I don't get in go so like, existentially despairing about like the rise and fall of civilizations. It's just like,
Starting point is 00:58:57 it's because of the way we, it's because of the way we remember history. We remember history in these periods, like, this empire then it fell, the empire then it fell, and then the gaps between is just this empty space. But although there tends to be less archeological evidence for those times, which is why we don't have as much of a thick historical narrative around them, people still obviously were living, we're living, people were obviously surviving, people were loving and all the stuff we're doing. They were doing all that stuff. They just weren't making as strong a record of it because there wasn't the density of civilizational structures, but they weren't all gone. There were still this social fabric that persisted and we can't because that's since it looks like a black hole
Starting point is 00:59:43 from the from the art position. We just assumed that that's all there it looks like a black hole from the, from the art position, we just assumed that that's all there is is these, this fall into a chasm. When in reality it's people adjusting to changing conditions and evolving new social structures to deal with those conditions, it's the same thing that history always is. It's not the end of anything. It's the continued transformation of one in more internal thing. Yeah. It's with the Mormon thing.
Starting point is 01:00:07 It's like, you need to, America needs to be eternal because if America falls, it's like the world ends. Yes. Yeah, but it also, I mean, like, there's nothing I hate more than like, the people who are the most comfortable of the most comfortable.
Starting point is 01:00:24 Like, I hate anyone who has the same job as me and is like, well, looks like we're all going to die from climate change or fucking whatever. And it's like we, we don't even, we don't even have to answer the same email as this normal people. Do you think you're going to experience climate change in the same way that somebody from fucking Bangalod Dashwell? but like I just The constant obsession with the world ending by people who are uniquely insulated from you know Whether they are apocalyptic or just bad things happening those types of events is incredibly frustrating, but it also does make me think like,
Starting point is 01:01:06 okay, the world has ended a billion times before. The world as people have known it has ended. I'm sure for people living, you know, from 1916 to 1919, it felt like the world was ending. And it was to an extent. They were witnessing horrors that are unparalleled compared to anything that we in America, people who mostly listed the show or have a computer job, experience today. That's not to say that everything is great, but truly, truly cataclysmic, like,
Starting point is 01:01:42 era-ending things have happened, and humanity doesn't just stop. There are those, as Matt said, periods that aren't as rigorously recorded, but periods of adjustment. And the thing is though, they're not scared that they're going to die during this stuff, really. What they're scared of is that they aren't going to die during this period. Because these periods are filled with horrifying turmoil, mass death, and not equally distributed mass death, and the people who survive are changed by that experience. And like their conceptions of morality and right and identity are broken and reformed by that process.
Starting point is 01:02:20 And people who have fetishized their personal ego and identity as the only real thing in the universe clutch so hardly at it that the thought of losing it is worse than that. And so they would rather fantasize that they're going to personally die so they don't have to worry about going through that transformation than realize, oh, like for me and my children, things are going to be different. I'm going to have to value different things. And that is so terrifying when we're addicted to the the the meager pleasures that we've afforded ourselves now that, yeah, we'd much rather fantasize about a cataclysmic ending than reckon with the moral responsibility
Starting point is 01:02:55 of continuing. I think even more terrifying to people, more terrifying to people who are on the more comfortable side is the idea that if you if't die, and yes, it's unevenly distributed, and others are dying in your place, then you have to grapple with what that means. You have to grapple with what your life means. What doesn't mean that maybe in as much as anyone deserves this when climate catastrophe is happening in increased rate compared to what they do now, you may deserve it more, but it's not going to happen to you. You have to figure out what all of the rest of your life means. That's a
Starting point is 01:03:38 horrifying proposition. Yeah. And that's why all the energy is on a right wing that has an answer to that question. Turned bad into good and turned the horrors of this thing into a necessary and virtuous cleansing. And then you can continue being the same kind of subject you are now with the same spectutacular view of politics that you have now and the same relative ease and comfort and never worry yourself again. Because you will now have a world where you'll either fall off the beam and it doesn't matter. Or if you stay on it, you get to cheerlead the process of of of of transformation in its worst and most like formally self consciously evil
Starting point is 01:04:19 manifestation. Yes. One posture is we have to kill everyone even approaching the fence and then the only other posture is Being 5,000 miles away from the fence and going can you believe they're killing all of us at the fence? Yep, that's it. We all got it coming the rest is just vanity All right gang. I think we'll wrap it up there for today Um, I need anything to plug any announcements for the end of the show. Uh, I would just say, uh, if you like the line of thinking that concluded this episode,
Starting point is 01:04:50 I have a little podcast to recommend you. It's called Hell on Earth and we get way into this exact, uh, discussion of, you know, it's always the end of the world in that show. So if you haven't listened and you like that talk, check that one out. All right, gang. Uh, until next time, bye next time. Bye. Bye. Bye You

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