Chapo Trap House - 781 - Goon Dad (11/13/23)

Episode Date: November 14, 2023

Will, Felix and Amber pick up a few stories we missed last week, including Tim Scott girlfriend reveal (and campaign end), and Speaker of the House Mike Johnson’s father/son porn monitoring. We then... look at a litany of increasingly absurd bungles and PR disasters from the Israeli government, all from just the last week. Pick up your copy of Amber’s new book Dirtbag here: https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250269621/dirtbag And find all the new Chapo offerings at our digital shop here: https://www.patreon.com/chapotraphouse/shop

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Hey dudes, Amber really frost here. I don't know if you've ever heard of me, but for a while I was a co-host on Chopbo Trapp house. Possibly the least favorite one. But I wrote a book finally that is coming out December 5th. And if you like many people cannot read anything longer than like a post, I have good news for you too. I recorded the audiobook. I did it with my own voice, which authors don't usually do because our voices are terrible sounding. But they thought, hey, you have a recognizable terrible sounding voice, and I cannot argue with that. So I can't promise you that I'm the best reader of an audiobook, but I can promise you that I was the most stoned reader. I mean, I would bet dollars to donuts. And I'm talking like edibles. I did not want to know how I sounded.
Starting point is 00:01:05 It was a lot of pressure. I think it turned out great based on what other people are telling me. So I know you guys like content, right? So think of this as a really long episode of Choppo, but like read by your beast favorite host, stone out of her gourd. I think you will like the book. If you don't, I will not hear about it, but it will at least be interesting. And hey, you know what, worst case scenario, the
Starting point is 00:01:40 book does well. It pisses off a bunch of people you don't like and sometimes spite is all we have in this world. So yeah, wherever you get books, get that book. It's called Dirtback, yeses. And yeah, I really appreciate it. Thanks for being patient while I went on a spirit journey. All right, thanks. Bye. Friends, it's your shop. It's Monday, November 13th. We are back at you again. Felix and I are joined today by Amber Frost. Amber, how you doing? I'm doing good. LA caught on fire recently.
Starting point is 00:02:35 I don't know if you read about that. LA's on fire right now? I mean, there's just like a road. Oh, I saw a guy saving pigeons on an LA freeway. Oh, that's so sweet. Yeah, they felt down, they got the smoke inhalation, and he was just grabbing them up. I mean, I think he could be hoarding them to use as, you know,
Starting point is 00:02:52 careers or something. I don't know. All right, to kick off today's show, I would like to discuss two news items that I neglected to mention on last week's show. One of them has a newsok that just happened today. The first of which is let's go with the more contemporary story. Tim Scott dropped out of the Republican presidential race and this was only after finally revealing who his girlfriend is. So he's now out of the race to spend more time with his girlfriend, whose name is Mindy
Starting point is 00:03:25 Nose, an interior decorator from South Carolina. He said he dropped out to combat anti-Semitism on college campuses. You know, he says here, God said some rivals wanted to draw attention to his marital status to sow the seeds of doubt about his campaign, according to the Washington Post. It's like a different form of discrimination or bias, God said. You can't just say I'm black because that would be terrible. So you find something else that you can attack. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:57 Everyone remembers that awful chapter of American history when police unleashed fire hoses on guys who didn't have girlfriends. But no, he like, he really did say that he, he's like, all right, silly season's over. I know I'm not getting this president shit because I had saxophonist 37 and no other time in my life. But the real mission starts today combating anti-Semitism at Columbia. Like that's how, you know how like, whenever a politician loses, and they're like, we didn't actually lose tonight because the fight begins, blah, blah, blah.
Starting point is 00:04:34 He really means it. He's really gonna go to college campuses and makes beaches. I know I applaud Senator Scott for joining the war on college. Yeah, I mean, we could agree on that at least, but is he just like, I don't know, hanging out on the quad or whatever, just like waiting for people to walk by? Like, I don't know if like a lot of people are going to host him. I mean, I don't think I think he's like given up on college as an idea, you know, the place where you get laid, like he's tried that. Right. I think this is a way for him to get invited on birthright.
Starting point is 00:05:07 Well, I just want some Mediterranean vacation. Yeah, exactly. I'd like to hear what Mindy knows things about him going on birthright. I mean, it could shield out, do a tent. And also Mindy knows, like, I mean, I'm going to need a follow up on their relationship like six months from now.
Starting point is 00:05:23 That's all I'm saying. Mm-hmm. Wow. I mean, I'm gonna need a follow up on their relationship like six months from now. That's all I'm saying. Mm-hmm. Wow. Mindy knows looks like one of those women on TikTok who like mixed spaghetti, oh casserole, like all those disgusting viral meals. Like making cool-aid in the toilet and stuff like that.
Starting point is 00:05:38 Yeah. Could you put it in the chat because I'm only coming up with like Mindy Collins got a nose job. That would be funny if he were wrong and he's actually dating Mindy Collins. That's the Cory Booker move for the Republican Party. Yeah, we're good.
Starting point is 00:05:51 Okay, I am sending you Mindy nose. I do like the idea though that St. like, like, bachelors are being discriminated against and like, and I'm thinking back to like, I feel like she brought up the civil rights movement when, you know, like, people protestors to being attacked. I'm imagining men to like I feel like she brought up the civil rights movement when you know, like, people, protesters, to being attacked. I'm imagining men with like, you know, the placards that they had in the civil rights movement that say, that said, I am a man.
Starting point is 00:06:13 I'm just imagining now when it says, I am a single man. Yeah, I, I don't know, like, best of luck to Senator Scott in the future. Mindy knows is like, I don't even know what she thought she of luck to senator scott in the future mendi knows is like i don't even know what she thought she was gonna get out of this but she's pretty hot and she's also like a uh... uh... mother three but i do kind of wonder if like he does have a little sense of like it being like discrimination and like you know if that's the case he picked the wrong party
Starting point is 00:06:43 maybe is avoiding avoiding is avoiding raising those alarms. Oh, man, think how fucking racist you would have to be to be a Republican and be like, I'm afraid of the virile savage Tim Scott. For fucking doing further than the nation shit to us. Like that's it. Like if you're terrified of Tim Scott, you're just, you're like medically racist. There's no help for you. No amount of e-brew candy books.
Starting point is 00:07:09 You're gonna do anything for you. So yeah, she is pretty, she looks pretty good. I do wonder about that. Like she has three kids. What kind of conversation is that to have with your kids? Where you're like, all right, you may have a new stepfather. I'm his second girlfriend ever. Your stepfather is a 63 year old who's never jacked off. Well, Emory, I mean, you asked like what Mindy got out of this. And I think the answer to the question is a trip to the third republican presidential debate which he appeared on stage with timm scott uh... the closing of the proceedings
Starting point is 00:07:50 jay she was certainly walking better in heels than uh... ronda santa's was yeah i mean that everyone's gonna want her to to decorate their weird north carolina house or whatever fucks she's from i mean it's a bummer because i was hoping i mean i was hoping was hoping Tim Scott could, you know, finally get, finally get some action. But, you know, unfortunately getting laid is, you know, that's something you have to do to become president. And unfortunately, that's not gonna be him.
Starting point is 00:08:16 Mike Pence also dropped out. There was an article about how he couldn't get, even 15 people to show up to the pizza ranch in Ohio to come here and talk. I thought that was the Indiana. My kids will also be exiting the Republican primary. I thought that was the Indiana story. Yeah, but it was also like, okay, it was like a 7,000 people town in the Midwest.
Starting point is 00:08:37 The pizza is not good. Like they're not like, you know, we don't like that food either. We just were alcoholics and like, you know, Schlitz is the food either. We just were alcoholics and like, you know, Schlitz is the best sauce. They're not going to like eat there during the day time. That's a, that's a late night sadness meal. Any, any meal where you have to listen to Mike Penstalk is a, is a sadness meal. True. The next story that I neglected to mention last week is one that concerns the new Republican speaker of the house, Mike Johnson. Headline, Mike Johnson admits he and his son monitor each other's porn intake in
Starting point is 00:09:13 resurfaced video. What do they mean, monitor? I mean, presumably they're gooning together. Keep gooning, dad. Don't come yet. I mean, I think a system like that of mutual accountability is great because whether it's working out or gooning, you know, I know I couldn't, like I couldn't bring myself to stop jacking off if my son was still going.
Starting point is 00:09:38 Yeah. And you know, and during an eight hour gooning session, you're going to want to check in with your dad. This is how this is how they monitor it, Amber. It says, uh, during a conversation on the war on technology, it bent in Louisiana's Cypress Baptist Church, unearthed by Twitter user receipt maven last week, the Louisiana representative talked about how we installed accountability software called covenant eyes on his device in order to
Starting point is 00:10:05 abstain from internet porn and other unsavory websites. Quote, it scans all the activity on your phone on your devices, your laptop, what have you. We do it all. We do all of it. Johnson told the panel about the app. It sends a report to your accountability partner. My accountability partner right now is Jack, my son. He's 17.
Starting point is 00:10:24 So he and I get a report about all the things that are on our phones, all our devices once a week. If anything objectionable comes up, your accountability partner gets an immediate notice. I'm proud to tell you, my son has got a clean slate. Now, you'll notice he doesn't mention that he had a clean slate. Yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah, do as I say, not as I do. His son's phone is blowing up with like 30 slack notifications,
Starting point is 00:10:47 you know, like that buzzing noise. It's just like, your dad just watched Gianna Michaels big naturals volume 12. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, man, his poor son is trying to like, is trying to like try out for the JV football team and his phone is just exploding.
Starting point is 00:11:02 Your dad has been watching FUK team five for the last five hours. What else so like, you name your kid Jack that's setting him up for failure, that's nomative determinism. I mean, I just like, monitoring, a father, just like father and son masturbation monitoring is one of the weirder, one of the weirder things.
Starting point is 00:11:23 And like, okay, if you want to think if the, as a dad, as a parent, you're like, I wanna enforce a no pornography on my son's phone, or you wanna enforce that rule in your household as best you can, but the idea that you have to enlist your son to back you up, is that what the fuck? You're the goddamn potter's familiar. So if you wanna watch, if you wanna to watch Lisa and then go for it, dude
Starting point is 00:11:46 Why are you waiting to do and list your teenage son in this? How old is he the son is 17 years old? Oh, that's way best that yeah, I mean really just like any age I that's just that's not part of the son contract like helping your dad not jack off Yeah, I know I just feel like I feel like the older it is the worse it is because it becomes less about parental monitoring. So like you know Your son doesn't develop a you know fetish for women vomiting on dicks But like 17 is like he's of a age where Having sex could actually happen.
Starting point is 00:12:25 And that's when you really gotta, but because when you really got a hard back out. Yeah, yeah. And it's like, do you think it's like an AA sponsored type thing where he has to call with when you have when you wrap? You get the whole range. Yeah, right, right.
Starting point is 00:12:40 Yeah, like the sun is with a girl or something and he's like showing her, like this son is with a girl or something and he's like showing her like his favorite chain smoker song or whatever. And like they're making out on, you know, make out lane, which I presume they still have for my kids and the lives. That's the, that's the Biden infrastructure bill is to make more, uh, make out points. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's on the build back better, make out lane. Uh, and he's yeah, he's on the buildback better make out lane Uh, and this is like he's about to get to third base and then he gets a frantic call from his dad He's like son. I'm chipping
Starting point is 00:13:19 Hand on my hand on my sweatpants for the last hour I had my hand down my sweatpants for the last hour. It started off with the Victoria Secret Long-Tray Model Bowl. Now I'm watching like, Andrew Tates' Camgirl Slaves. I got to like go to a meeting, but I'm like really tired right now. Yeah, yeah, I feel like. So much like, his son's getting bothered with this shit,
Starting point is 00:13:46 like a accountability alert. Your father just just watched a desperate college student. He really needs an A. But like he's he's he's on the bill. He's at the buildback better make out lane. This is a job brought to you by Joe Biden. Thanks a lot. Thanks Joe.
Starting point is 00:14:02 He's getting real pussy and then his dad's annoying him with this accountability bullshit. Well, I don't know. It's also bad if you're just like, I don't know like in trig class or whatever the fuck he's in. Like is it better or worse to because I'm putting, you know what? I think a gentleman puts his phone on silent when you're at make-out point. I think that's good etiquette. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, even if you work getting horny dad alerts, that's good etiquette. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, even if you work getting horny dad alerts, it's good etiquette. I just like think about if he like has a bully at school. That's like, that's like, oh, that's like, this kid has a bully at school. It's probably a girl like me in high school and, and it's ruthless. That is like an anxiety dream like
Starting point is 00:14:50 Your bully is like bullying you and you have your you have your phone out Even though you should know better the kind of the kinds of alerts that you get on your phone It's calling you a gay wadden shit. They probably don't say gay wad anymore. It's probably something like that. I don't think so, but it is definitely like a five foot three girl like me and like Doc Martin's calling you a father fucker. Well, she doesn't even know that yet. She's just bullying him for being like, you know, rod without a Todd. And then suddenly,
Starting point is 00:15:26 she sees a huge banner notification on the phone where it's like, your dad, Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson has ejaculated four times today. Contact authorities. Oh, that would have been fucking Christmas day for me. Oh my God. I'm now imagine like, you know, you're in a gooning sash. You're scrolling around through websites. You're getting increasingly talked up looking at weirder and weirder shit. And then you get a pop up and it's Mike Johnson's face and it goes, it says, new speaker of the house does not want that deal. They only want to come. Please you help me? You get to watch this trajectory. Yeah, that's that's a good point is like it starts out Lisa and then it ends up like
Starting point is 00:16:12 Rayll Black doing real a hand tie. It's just like this like he's gotten to the visual like like the two porn like the the egg and preg nation stuff because it is, I think for men it's a slippery slope. Eventually they just, they glaze over and they're like, you know what, this doesn't do it, regular sex doesn't do it for me anymore. I'm going straight to animation. I'm doing, I'm going like, he's probably,
Starting point is 00:16:42 it doesn't count for like deviant art, doesn't count with like, you know, you see like all of the Steven universe people fucking each other? Like it's going to like, there's poorness to be found in many mediums these days. That is true. Yeah. And I imagine especially like younger people are getting into a lot of the animated stuff. I, I just like with the app itself. I'm wondering like how
Starting point is 00:17:05 Who created this in the first place and I'm starting to think it was like a stepdad who was like grooming his 13 year old steps on And the mom like walked in on him like showing the steps on board and he's like, oh This is part of a mutual accountability exercise. I'm actually making an app about this. I mean, the app, the name of the app is like short eyes. It's co-covenant's eyes. It's not too far off. God, yeah, no.
Starting point is 00:17:37 Yeah, or you know what? Oh, wait, wait, maybe it's the other direction. Maybe it's like the strange thing about the Johnson's. Wait, what's that? What's that? Oh my God. It's, you know what? Okay, early days of Comtown, that's your hint.
Starting point is 00:17:57 It's dad fucking. Like what if it's like a reverse thing? Oh, okay. What if the kid is the aggressor? We don't know the power dynamics in this relationship. Oh Oh my God, what if the dad is the as the unwilling bottom? Oh my God, God. Could you imagine if that's like yeah, that's like his Gary Hart moment that he got like aggressively seduced by his son. The mom is just in the other room doing dishes crying, being like, it's fine, it's fine, it's fine. Because she's got to know, right?
Starting point is 00:18:38 Yeah, yeah, you can, mom's know everything. Like think, Rana, Rana, Big think, Rana, Rana, McDaniel, Rana, Rana, fucking stupid name. Rana, Romney, McDaniel.
Starting point is 00:18:53 I fucking love that. I love that so much. I love that it's like the most Mormon-ass name in the world. Like, they love doing that where they're like, yeah, my, my dad's name was David, so my name is David
Starting point is 00:19:05 Edda. They're the most like Erzatz religion. But she's kind of a like a trailblazer too, though, like she's like, she's bucking the stick. Like everyone thinks that all Mormons are hot. And like there she is bucking stereotype. Hard to tell the stereotype. Yeah, she has more of like a Sarah Huckabee look, but like she has to go on TV and be like, look, Mike Johnson's a victim here. I know how this looks like. But photo of Mike Johnson and son
Starting point is 00:19:40 emerges on Johnson's yacht, Gooning Business. Gooning, G-O-O-N-I-N-G. It means basically being transfixed with porn, video porn for like 24, 48 hours straight. Straightits the right word there. All right, well to move on from the master Breitori habits of the current speaker the house and his family, I'd like to move on to Donald Trump for a little bit and Chris, we can queue up that clip because I
Starting point is 00:20:17 just want to talk about like Trump. He's been saying some very provocative things lately, but he's also been saying the very true things lately. And I just want to pull up this clip such about trump talking about a certain world historical figure that i think will be of some interest to our listeners and we're becoming a drug haven you know china many years ago was being taken over by much smaller countries because they were all drugged out on the poppy feels the poppy the drugs heroin different drugs but they were all drugged out that nation was drugged out and then poppy fields, the poppy drugs, heroin, different drugs, but they were all drugged out, the nation was drugged out and then along came a very powerful leader,
Starting point is 00:20:50 you know, who that is, and he said no more. And from that time pretty much until now, they've been strong, but they were all drugged out and they were, I mean, our nation is becoming bad, okay? Our nation is becoming that way. You look at our nation is that you almost say, how does it survive when so many people are absolutely sick from drugs and drug overdoses and all of the things that go with it? Well, Trump is correct that this country is suffering from an epidemic of drug
Starting point is 00:21:27 addiction, but he is even more correct that we need a strong leader like comrade mousetong to, uh, basically defeat all of the, um, counter revolutionary revisionism that's been going on in this country. Sparrows have been running riot over this nation for a long time now. And I think it's time we need to have like no No more. No more. No more. No more. It does speak to his like pattern of like he just he doesn't have any like ideological leanings. He just wants to both with the Israel Palestine thing. He's waiting out. He wants to see who wins. He likes the strong man. It is you know, the content is completely relevant. But I have to say one person pointed out
Starting point is 00:22:06 that like the phrase drugged out the last time he heard it was the juicy J song. And so like, we're kind of wondering if he's into like early 2010s rap. Folks, folks, they're saying, they're saying, we're gonna folks, should I do it? I shouldn't say I I shouldn't do it. Yes, we're gonna do it We're gonna run a train folks. We're about to train He um he was very generous to the audience being like you know who Mao is Like did the audience think he was talking about Hitler or something? You're I'm not gonna insult your intelligence. They know he wasn't talking about Hitler because the main thing about Hitler You know speedhead speed head you don't get those speeches. Oh, you're right He wasn't a good owner. You're not doing as much at or all as a New York girl in publishing
Starting point is 00:22:57 That's what happens. Those bitches are gonna take over Poland any day now. Did you see the I think it was from the same speech He said that like he was talking about Jay again and he said, he's straight out of central casting. I love some, like love some of his own central and central crews. Central casting for what? Like a 68 year old Chinese man. There aren't that many parts in Central Casting.
Starting point is 00:23:25 There's basically one actor in Hollywood who plays above 50 Chinese men. Yeah, I do like the idea of him trying to do the cultural revolution, but with only 60 plus year olds. Yeah, he doesn't have a useful cadre. Yeah, and really queenie, really queenie, like 65, and he is a taste maker. Like I really bet that like he got a lot of like Midwestern dads
Starting point is 00:23:55 who sell ski do's to watch sunset Boulevard, you know? In many ways he's like, he's doing more than PBS for the culture right now. Felix, I'm loving the idea of a mega cultural revolution where grandparents attack their grandkids and put iron donts caps on them and make them walk, so parade them through the villages on the golf carts or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, yeah, it's all like self-criticism and ostriches is should for reactionary grandkids who don't call their grandparents enough. Yeah, I mean like Billy O'Pyty would be a good thing to run on like he's attracting the
Starting point is 00:24:36 elderly. They just want their grandparents, they just want their grandkids to call him. You know, I think we figured out those are the only people that vote. It's a good strategy. Yeah. Wow. Wow, you're telling me this for the first time. I'm hearing this for the first time. A people's army will never be defeated,
Starting point is 00:24:53 never be to be not even once, not gonna happen. I did. I did. I liked the stuff he said about Israel and Palestine because that was more even handed than just about any Media figure discussing this recent Uh, the hatred that Palestinians have for Israelis is a hatred like no other and also the other way for Israelis towards Palestinians It's it's good. He's had in his bets. It's both sides. He's he just wants just he's like I'm gonna see how this shakes out
Starting point is 00:25:22 He said and it's probably the other way. I mean, we'll see Like maybe he's like Noah Smith and he's finding out about all that first time He did I think he's the only American politician who has pointed out that Israel is eating shit on the PR front. Yeah, and I mean,'s very, he's the only person who's like, it's bad optics and it's like, that is the weird thing that, like Felix and I have talked about, that it's like, they're still very delusional in that they think that like, and it's our fault too, and some degree like, into some degree the UK. It's like, we have spent so much time being the Gretchen weeners to
Starting point is 00:26:06 their Regina George that like of course they think they're doage. Of course they think they're they're beloved. They're like living in a bubble where just they have they think that any criticism of them is like an insane minority opinion. And like they do not see that like the tides are turning. it's the weirdest thing I think being able to talk about this too like it sounds like we thought we'd see in our lifetime no not at all and like most politicians right like you know not all of them are as like literally due to mental disability trapped in the past as Joe Biden is, but in one way or the other, they all are in some sense on Israel, right?
Starting point is 00:26:49 Like every, every elected official in this country, safer, maybe like three, believes that it's 2002. Like that's their entire calculus on Israel. That like, there's a brought, like people don't really know about it. The people that do care have like a broadly supportive opinion, but also that like there's this level of Israeli competence that just, it doesn't exist anymore, but if their minds, it does, and that factor is into their calculus in all of this. But like, I don't know how, like it's been a month and and like did you see the thing that Israel tried like yesterday?
Starting point is 00:27:28 The mind comic book and the children's living room that was stupid But there's an even dumber thing they produced like a piece of paper and it was like Arabic writing on one side and he brought the other and they're like This is a a phrase book that Hamas was practicing. They were learning phrases in Hebrew, and one of them was learning how to say in Hebrew, take off your pants to women. So you can see that proves that we're doing tons of rapes. Well, look, that's just, that's in duo lingo.
Starting point is 00:27:59 Like, you need to know how to say that. That little owl told me how to say that in Spanish. Yeah, it's like obviously Arabic speakers like ripped it apart because the grammar was all fucked up. Like I don't know how these really army doesn't have fluid Arabic speakers. They're probably using babble fish, like not even a good like that's literally what it's like. They wanted the phrases on there in the phrase book was they wanted apparently they want
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Starting point is 00:29:27 and they're like really really super bad at it. Like it's it's it's like you guys invented ways and now you can't figure out how to fucking land a rocket not on your own hospital, like a fucking like looney to like a fucking tech savory cartoon. Yeah, yeah, they, uh, for people who don't know an iron dome rocket, basically like, yeah, this was biblical. This was like something where it's like, if you see this happen to your country, God is mad at you. It was heading to intercept a rocket coming from Gaza and it literally did a fucking U-turn and slammed and slammed back into like, was it a hospital or like an office building in Tel Aviv?
Starting point is 00:30:14 I can't remember it but it was deeply like slipping. It's like Israel is like holding the It's like Israel is like holding the soup, terrain of like turtle soup, and like steps on a roller skate that lands on a banana peel and spills it all over the Dowager Countess. It was just like such a like bumbling, fucking marks, brothers move. Yeah, and like going back to Trump,
Starting point is 00:30:40 I mean like obviously he was like one of the most like pro-Israel presidents we've ever had. He moved the embassy to Jerusalem, which I do have to point out Hillary Clinton was saying that she wanted to do that back in 1997. So this is, you know, it's a bipartisan thing. But he also, he doesn't have the same like mystique around Israel that like people who have been in politics for all their lives have, right? Because he can smell a loser. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like Joe Biden or even someone younger like Akim Jeffries, they have been trained to
Starting point is 00:31:18 think of Israel as like, you know, they can, they can defeat any enemy in a week. It may not look pretty, but they'll get it done. They're super competent. Don't worry. They'll tar and feather all their enemies through their sophisticated press operation. Like, you are not going to look bad supporting this. Don't worry. And like, obviously that isn't the case anymore,
Starting point is 00:31:37 but good luck telling these guys that. But Trump, who, you know, coming more from the outside, believes a lot of the same stupid shit about Israel, but doesn't have the same, you know, institutional dogma, I guess. Yeah. Kind of events, some loser dumb coming out of Israel. It doesn't mean anything.
Starting point is 00:31:59 If he was president, he would probably enact the same in credibly, like incredibly, Zionist policy, but it is interesting that he said that though, right? I mean, like with many things, I think he can get away with saying things that like breach the boundaries of like consensual reality in this country, particularly on Israel because he is probably the most popular political figure in the world in Israel. And I don't think there's much he could do to shake them from their support of him.
Starting point is 00:32:28 But as long as we're talking about the PR war here, I was inspired by our mutual friend who's been keeping a running list of all of the Huzzbara meltdowns over the last month or so. And I just decided to try to keep a running count myself this week since our last episode. And I'm just gonna run down the list of what I have. We can talk about them like, you know, whichever one that you feel compelled to discuss.
Starting point is 00:32:52 But okay, we had a running of a very old script at the beginning of the week, which is the Pallywood script. The idea that all of the ruined bodies and crying people that you see in news footage are in fact actors. They're crisis actors and they shared some clip from a Lebanese movie that was made about Gaza. They seemed to show them like victims having makeup put on and stuff like that. Once again, that brick almost instantly because footage of this behind the scenes footage
Starting point is 00:33:21 was included on the DVD of the movie when it came out. So it's pretty awesome. Yeah, I had the blue purse. Yeah, everybody loves blue. She's shoebox credit running of the outtakes from the latest bombing campaign. But yeah, I mean, like this one is so crazy because like they're like saying, oh, like a none of our victims are actually victims. They're acting, but we are dropping thousands of bombs where they live.
Starting point is 00:33:43 That was replaced almost immediately. As soon as that one bricked, the next one was, all our victims are real people, but they're also Nazis, and also the Nazis weren't that bad. Yeah, that one's fucking crazy. That, like, their line about this now is like, well, look, like, the Nazis were bad and killed Jews, but they at least knew to be ashamed of it.
Starting point is 00:34:08 What, when were they ashamed of it? Yeah. Fuck. I mean, presumably because they tried to hide the final solution. Yeah, I feel like it was like rolled out with a PowerPoint presentation, like in a room with different diet coaks. Yeah. They were very proud of that shit.
Starting point is 00:34:24 But yeah, no, in the, it was an article that ran in the Jerusalem post by this guy Douglas Murray. And his point was, and I literally, there's a line in the article where he says, the Nazis still had, quote, a spark of humanity in them, unlike Hamas. And also every single man, woman and child in the Gaza strip is Hamas. So they went from saying, none of our victims are actually victims, they're crisis actors, to all of our victims are victims, but they're all Nazis, but also they're worse than the Nazis. This does have the ring of like the anti-Semites being like, look, the Holocaust didn't happen, but if it did, it was good. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Like that is, that is
Starting point is 00:35:04 like the Turkish line on the Airbnb and genocide a lot of the time. Yeah, it's exactly that exactly like that is that is like the Turkish line on the Armenian genocide a lot of the time like It didn't happen, but it was good that we did it I guess the the dog year Hitler But the dog year copy of mine comp was part of the next one strategy Yeah, yeah, they're both they're both stirring the knots and the same week that like the official organs of like the Jerusalem post and like the of mouthpieces for this massacre are saying hey the Nazis are pretty bad but Hamas was worse because they're proud of what they're doing whereas the Nazis felt ashamed by it and
Starting point is 00:35:41 you know after they spent the day shooting people into a ditch, they often felt bad for bad about themselves. I don't know. I feel like a lot of this propaganda, their wires are crossed. And there's no coherent media message here because then it was what the president of Israel, Herzog, came out, produced a book, an aerobic translation of mine comp that, as you said, Felix was dog-eared
Starting point is 00:36:03 and filled with post-it notes and highlighted sections that he said was taken from quote a children's living room in the Gaza strip. And it's like weird enough that like they're bringing out a book, a book to be like see like see they're not see is like you know this justifies what we're doing. But the phrase in a children's living room struck me is like I mean I know English isn't their first language, but I was struck by the idea like children's living room because it seemed to imply that like children were reading this book and that's why it's okay that we're killing them, but it also could could imply if anyone called them on that that this was just an adult or a Hamas fighter had left his favorite book in the child's living room
Starting point is 00:36:41 where they were, you know, attacking people from. So that's why it's okay that we blew it up. Yeah, maybe they're still thinking that they have their own version of like kibbles is where there's like a just like a big group parenting situation. It's like that's the children's living room. Yeah, it's like they're doing an evil mom to story class in there. Yeah. I do like that, the dog eared pages and like it's like a, you know, this this for editorial review, maybe errors in it, like the like the first review cop you get.
Starting point is 00:37:13 It was an advanced review copy. Yeah, yeah, Hitler DMed this Palestinian nine year old and was like, do you want to, do you want to copy my book? I can send you galleys and the Palestinian nine year old was like, oh God, that means I'm going to have to have this guy on my show. No, but it came from like this publisher to like a really chipper woman, like who works for McMillan. I didn't even know Hitler was still alive.
Starting point is 00:37:39 And now I have to get him on a Zoom call. You know, I will, I will point out though that when they displayed the cop the Arabic translation of mine comp, it was very clear that the previous, the prior owner of the evil book did underline passages in pen and for that alone I think them and their family should be killed. But like, oh, pass. Well, what I think is this like now scarred. What if they just really like Scandinavian? Yeah. It's a big, it's a struggle. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:38:07 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like, yeah, yeah. Like, it was a guy with a big beard on the front, you know? Bedgaveers, like, reading aloud from it at the press conference under the presumption that it's like Hitler's my struggle. And like, listen, listen to this Jew hating rhetoric. There was a woman in a coffee shop who wasn't,
Starting point is 00:38:27 she wasn't like the most beautiful woman in the world, but she had kind of like sort of a shapely body, if you've come in a certain way. And I think about the way that I've aged and whether or not I've been a good father and that's 500 pages. They're like, this is so insidious. Yeah, they're like, this, yeah, this is so insidious. Yeah, they're like this. Yeah, this is this is a blueprint to hate
Starting point is 00:38:48 Okay, next up on the propaganda meltdowns We had that video from someone purporting to be a nurse in the Elchifa hospital claiming that Hamas was Was it was storing weapons there and taking away aid from the hospital workers? But like I mean, I thoughtest, like the credibility of this video lasts it for about 10 seconds. Because like, it feels like you said, Israel loves to talk about all the Palestinians
Starting point is 00:39:13 that are Israeli citizens. Could they get even one of them to star in these videos? Instead, they choose to highlight a woman who graduated from the Gal Gadot School of Acting. And in option, pain, to fill the Nile. Is there not one person in the Israeli government who can speak with a credible Arabic accent? Yeah, no, I mean, they can't speak in anything.
Starting point is 00:39:34 Like, we pointed this out, but in Wonder Woman, she was so bad, she was so just unable to do like a flat general bland accent that every other actor there had to sound like her. It was like, yeah, yeah. Like they were like, well, fuck, she is making no progress. Could you like professional actors do this? Yeah, like I'm not gonna pretend like I can identify
Starting point is 00:40:02 like when someone makes a mistake in Arabic. I tried to learn Arabic on Duel and go once like eight years ago and it was I think I just I that's one of the hardest languages to speak so fucking hard. But what hearing this woman's accent I do know what I knew I knew Israeli accent. Yeah. That fucking spit that like a spitty franchise. What is it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's like, this was the Professor Talks.
Starting point is 00:40:30 Like, you guys don't know what this is. This is Professor Talks. If there are any homosexuals listening, they'll know what I'm talking about. One thing that I think is like, I don't know. It's puzzling with like, I don't, I know what list of his borrow fuck-ups you're reading from. One thing that isn't on there, because it's like too broad in general, is like the quibbling over like intentionality.
Starting point is 00:40:56 That I think is really weird. That's more of a meta breakdown. That's a meta thing. But it's like, it's so weird to be because it's like, okay, if you've killed like 10, at least 10,000 civilians, but you didn't mean to, shouldn't that mean like, okay, you don't get to have a military anymore? Yeah, like you're too, you're way too shitty at this. Yeah, I think in like, you know, there was a big intentions don't matter movement in the 2010s like Twitter discourse.
Starting point is 00:41:31 But the exception, I mean, I always disagree with that. Attentions do matter. Unless like, it involves mass death. Yeah. I don't know, man. Like, that's one of those things where it's like, well, You're bad at this and you don't get to play with that anymore. You don't get to use the stove while mommy is gone Yeah, if it's like we we're seeking to kill like these let's say like you know 40 guys Who are important in Kassamberg ads and Hamas at large?
Starting point is 00:42:02 Whoops we killed 6000,000 children. That should be like everyone comes in and takes away all of your fucking F-16s. Like that's, you can't play anymore. You're not. Yeah, like you give them the like, look, I'm not mad, but I am disappointed. Yeah, next up on the rundown,
Starting point is 00:42:21 we have Hamas's use of fentanyl laced rockets. You guys see this one? Fentanyl, they're there. A source says that Hamas is considering launching fentanyl laced rockets into Tel Aviv. This one is really devious because once the fentanyl rocket hits an army outpost, the soldiers will leave their post and start stealing copper wire all throughout Israel So they can buy more
Starting point is 00:42:51 I guess like we're so we're and then just today before I got before I got online They're because you know, I mean like there've been just absolutely blood curdling accounts of snipers shooting people in hospitals like you know, people on gurneys and in wheelchairs getting shot in the throat with sniper. Wait, you need a sniper for that? How fucking stupid is your military? If you see someone in a hospital bed, and you have to, this is like pinning down like a 14-year-old and paintball.
Starting point is 00:43:20 Yeah. So they're having to really, because they keep saying that like, Hamas has these command centers at all these hospitals that they're shooting up So that they've finally gotten into one of these hospitals. I forget which one But they have like you know some Israeli military spokesperson Kitted out in the full gear up and his name is like Globhoff or something like that My favorite guy my favorite guy Jonathan Cornicus My favorite guy, my favorite guy, Jonathan Cornicus. I don't know he is, but he was basically walking around, like they didn't, of course, they didn't find any tunnels
Starting point is 00:43:52 under the hospital. So essentially he was in like just a conference room of a hospital and pointed out that there were baby bottles, a makeshift toilet and like there's some papers around. They were like, see, he was like, see, this is where they were keeping the hostages. And we know that because there's a calendar on the wall that like that, you know, expliquates hostage taking duty. And then once again, people are like Arabic speakers have put it out that this thing on the wall was literally
Starting point is 00:44:17 just like a duty roster of nurses at a hospital. Like they just said Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday on it. Why would you need to know the days of the week unless you're keeping hostages? nurses at a hospital, like they just said Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday on it. Why would you need to know the days of the week unless you're keeping hostages? Well, yeah, there you go. This has to be the least creative country that's ever. It's astounding. It's astounding. It's like, and Felix, I know you've pointed this out, but it's just like, is it a product of the fact that they live in this total bubble with complete impunity so that they've never had to be smart or clever or creative? Or is it just like this is what imperial culture does to your brain? This is how lazy and stupid it makes you.
Starting point is 00:44:54 Yeah, well, I think that too. And you know, you know, my theory of climates. I just think you get a Mediterranean climate. You all eventually end up like Stovs grandmother or grandfather connected collecting birds. I think people sort of project like what they think of American Jews on Israelis. Like hey, my cardiologist is Jewish. You know, my daughter's roommate is a real go-getter. And then they don't understand that when you move to Israel and are born and raised there, you're just a guido. Like these are not? Yeah. I mean there are, the Afghansi dominated parties are like, they all have names like, good morning and like nice handshake and they're like they're increasingly increasingly marginal and voted like the people that vote for them
Starting point is 00:45:54 are like you know 72 year old who has a name like an American Jewish guy and is like vaguely against settlements in the occupations but also killed like 400 Arabs in 1967. Yeah, and I think also the hamburger discotech Capri pants ones too. Yeah, no. The Guitos run the country. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, as long as you're talking about settlers the other the other big piece of propaganda Fill this week was that they let one of these settlers talk to the New Yorker about what they believe in
Starting point is 00:46:31 You guys see that in your view It's like give it up rope. Yeah, and like look everyone loves giving Isaac Chonator a pat on the head for I've got like talking to this like Submental moron, but look, I think for his readership or the readership of the New Yorker, they probably don't, they don't encounter the Israeli point of view that just like, yeah, we're definitely colonizing Palestine
Starting point is 00:46:54 and we need to kill them all for that to happen. Problem? Yeah. But here's the thing, like, I would love Isaac Chonatur to do another one of his rye and knowing interviews with, let's say David Remnick, the editor-in-chief of the New Yorker, and we're like, oh, what their editorial policy is, it regards Israel, because they just had a piece out two weeks ago that basically accused Al Jazeera journalists
Starting point is 00:47:14 of working with Hamas and contextualizing when their families are assassinated by the IDF. Yeah, it would be really fucked up if a news outlet was in the pocket of a particular political institution. I would never happen here. And then my favorite piece of propaganda field this week was when the Israeli government accused the AP writers and the New York Times of having foreknowledge of the October 7th attacks because they employed freelance photojournalists who worked with Hamas or something like that. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. And I think this is actually a welcome development because if, look, the New York Times has been known to use human shields.
Starting point is 00:47:56 And if Brett Stevens is killed in an airstrike, it's simply an understandable and justifiable, not intentional, but justifiable act of war to get at the deep and highly complex network of tunnels underneath the island of Manhattan. Yeah, and I mean, like, it will stop when the New York Times journalist and, you know, photojournalists love their children more than they hate. I knew that was going to end. They love their children, even more than they love the news. Like, that's one thing that I found like remarkable about Israel this go around is. So like, they get incredibly mad at places like the New York Times and like the BBC or wherever.
Starting point is 00:48:42 Really, they've pretty much any mainstream outlet. They've yelled at for one thing or another, right? But they don't seem to understand that in order for these places to be effectively sell their agenda, they have to be seen as at least somewhat trustworthy. So they can't just print two contradictory things on back-to-back days. Like the Israeli press office is doing. So like, they've already got the New York Times
Starting point is 00:49:16 to print that Hamas uses hospitals as their command and control centers. So why would you fuck that up by using them of being Hamas is beyond me. Well, there's also like this amazing like they do that like quite a bit. I mean, they never really did a make up on Iraq, but like they, I mean, remember what they were like, you know, myths of anti-semitism in the in the Ukrainian military. Yeah. in the Ukrainian military. And like two weeks later,
Starting point is 00:49:45 they ran something that says, Nazi insignia on whatever, Ukrainian military volunteers, highlights thorny issues of Ukraine. I had one, I had one thorny issues or highlighted. And that was like two weeks later. And I read the second one, and I, I, the writers don't get to pick their titles,
Starting point is 00:50:11 but he did admit and kind of like sell out the bag and said, well, we did have these pictures earlier and didn't publish them. They're just wearing like pointy eagles all over themselves. And they're like, hmm, this is just like Russian propaganda. Skull fans, a proprosper in the Ukrainian volunteer forest. The pointy eagles do look cool. It does suck that those are ruined. So I guess where is all this going?
Starting point is 00:50:43 And the answer comes in this headline from Al Jazeera from just yesterday. Billionaires are teaming up for pro-Israel anti-Hamas media drive. The campaign is seeking million dollar donations from dozens of the world's biggest names in media finance and tech, semifor reported. And it says here that there are, there's seeking to raise 50 million dollars
Starting point is 00:51:04 to do another big pro-Israel anti-Hamos push And I got to say if you're looking to out cloud the money Hamas pens in the US government and military You're going to need to spend a lot more than 50 million dollars my friend a lot more But I just want to highlight one paragraph from this piece This is under the subhead get ahead of the narrative US billionaire Barry Sternlich to start the project said the campaign would help Israel, get ahead of the narrative. US billionaire Barry Sternlich, who started the project, said the campaign would help Israel quote, get ahead of the narrative as the world reacted to the intensive Israeli attacks in the Gaza Strip.
Starting point is 00:51:34 Quote, public opinion will surely shift as scenes, real or fabricated by Hamas of civilian Palestinian suffering, will surely erode Israel's current empathy in the world community. Sternlich wrote in an email-slisting contributions from wealthy figures shortly after Hamas is October 7th attack on Israel according to Semaphore. We must get ahead of the narrative. So two things here. One, as Amber said earlier, he says, it will surely erode Israel's current empathy in the world community.
Starting point is 00:52:02 What are you talking about, dude? Even before October 7th, nobody in the world fucked with you, other than the United States, Canada, and the UK. No way. And then this other thing, yeah. This is very jacked on a G6 Sigma. Like there's like a whole meal coming in with like,
Starting point is 00:52:18 you know, fucking, you know, hey, we got free lacroix in the lobby. Let me tell you, you need to remake your story at your brand Like this is the most like bullshit like consultancy firm. Just taking them for all their worth Get it get it get that money, but I mean I like the idea like they says real or fabricated because they're like look The entire world is gonna see basically a non-stop flood of images of the thousands and thousands of people were killing. But like, so how do we get ahead of that narrative? We're certainly not going to stop killing them. But I just like the idea that like,
Starting point is 00:52:54 these people really think or there are people still willing to take their money to convince them that this is true, that they can turn this ship around as it regards like the opinion of the world or the United States public at large. Like, how, what is the story? What is the narrative change that they're going to come up with? This is going to get people to go, oh, actually, it's quite justified what you're doing. It's going to involve some word like synergy or something like that. Like, it's just, this sounds like just such consultancy speak. I know. And like, I guess like the really cynical part of me knows that this is not actually about affecting world opinion or increasing empathy for Israel or their cause. I think like
Starting point is 00:53:31 all of the examples I just listed of these grotesquely absurd and darkly hilarious like these limp attempts to justify the mass murder that's going on is I don't think intended to change anyone's opinion or convince anyone of anything. I think it's intended to give the people who already support Israel something to say when people get mad at them or something to defend themselves with. For the most part, I think it's intended to keep people like me and you talking about how ridiculous. I mean, I said, if you look implicit in this, I do the show.
Starting point is 00:54:02 This is what we talk about, but it's to get people to debate the specifics of, can you really believe that they pointed to a calendar and said it was a terrorist plotting device in the hospital that they just blew up? Yeah, well, and it's in just everything else, I'm sure the people who run this are the fail sons and daughters of actual professionals, and they just started a consultancy firm. And consultancy firms make money no matter how bad their results are. Yeah, sort of similar to the Israeli government, they keep getting money to remember how bad their results are. They print that shit. One thing that I think is interesting is, okay, so pretty much all of Israel's anything that they were competent at or showed any potency and
Starting point is 00:54:48 Let's say 20 years ago has completely crumbled right and From the looks of it. Maybe it was never quite that good. I do wonder going forward What they're gonna do with how the settler stuff is perceived in the West, because like, we've talked about before, but I think that, for better or for worse, that is the greatest threat to them being treated like a normal country. Like, unfortunately. For that and Amy Schumer. Well, I mean, you know, talk about who could imagine such gains for the Palestinian causes. I never imagined that. You know what? Maybe she's, she's, maybe she's who could imagine such gains for the Palestinian causes.
Starting point is 00:55:25 I never imagined that. You know what, maybe she's, she's, maybe she's co-entil probably, maybe she's working with the Palestinians. That's what I think Pierce Morgan is doing. Yeah, yeah, it's like, look, I'm gonna do what I can and be the most annoying person in the world until everyone was just like,
Starting point is 00:55:41 I believe whatever the opposite of what this woman is saying. Yeah, but like the settlement stuff is, you know, unfortunately, like when you kill fucking over 10,000 people in a mug through airstrikes and artillery, like western countries, even if it's like, you know, just somehow done to a worse scale than almost anything we've seen, they still like understand that, right? That's still, it's still like, okay, we do that. But like, state-sanctioned glitch mobs and like handing out ARs to settlers, and just like, I mean, pertinent to the interview with the settler, just the attitudes of the settlers,
Starting point is 00:56:26 is like you really can't make the argument that you're a normal country with those. And like, to this point, it seems like their entire strategy with settlers and how they appear to, you know, every other country in the world is just to never talk about that. Right.
Starting point is 00:56:44 And that's gonna become increasingly harder and i think that's what the china to interview uh... hit people so hard is because like he just spoke to someone who's doesn't have the guy all or connections or even just where with or just even knowledge to know what you're supposed to say to the american media yeah i'm not like to do you just he just spoke truthfully about what she believes in which i think is totally commonplace in Israel,
Starting point is 00:57:05 but most people who get, you know, asked to be interviewed or put in front of a camera, know how to manage media. Like they're smart enough to like understand what a global community thinks about all of this. So they have to couch it and say, Oh, Israel isn't in a part-time state. Most Jews are actually slightly dusky. But there isn't like, but there isn't like a good version of the settler thing. There's like, there's nothing you can say, yeah. Right, there isn't like a streamlined, like slick way of saying any of that,
Starting point is 00:57:36 which unfortunately you kind of can do with conventional military operations. Like, obviously, there are're way shitter at selling that than they used to be, and the trend isn't looking good for them, but there's never been any way that they could sell the settler thing to the rest of the world without everyone realizing
Starting point is 00:58:00 how not normal a country they are. There's, it's impossible. It's too fucking weird. There's just like the only thing they could possibly do with that is say like, oh, well, you guys have, you know, you guys like, guilt Native Americans, which is like, that's just like throwing up your hands and walking out of the room.
Starting point is 00:58:21 That's, if, think about like, Portugal brought back slavery. Yeah, like, yeah. And they were like, well, what, you guys did it. Like, no one would accept that. I think they did well in terms of PR for a long time, just because they, they kept kind of a low profile. Like, they, they, you know now they're insisting upon themselves.
Starting point is 00:58:47 But like, you know, when I was growing up, it was just like, you know, a evangelical TV being like, buy an olive tree for Israel. Like, and then when you really just give them, like you're not supposed to give them the microphone. Like you have to control, you have to limit their public exposure. They have to be a little discreet. And they're
Starting point is 00:59:11 like, people are doing bad things to us. This is dangerous. And they're like, Oh, shit, I'm sorry. That blows. We like you. We don't what have to do is well back. That's a real big bummer. But once they get like a full on like propaganda press team on it you're like oh you're insane. Yeah. Yes, yes, exactly. And I think what we're seeing right now is the equivalent to like someone who's been playing a video game with a cheat code for the last 70 years and now the cheat code isn't
Starting point is 00:59:38 working anymore and they're throwing the controller. Yeah. And like the cheat code is unlimited US support but like I think we're seeing like how tenuous that is I mean look they have the entire government behind them and will so will continue to do so for into the future But like cracks are beginning to emerge in a way that I think none of us could have anticipated and As long as we're talking about this like I would I wouldn't you know I would just like to encourage if you'd like to annoy people call your congressman and senators because I know they just let it go to voicemail now but like they do actually have to listen to all of your voice messages. And if you can waste someone's time, I think like there is a certain amount of pressure that can be brought to bear on democratic politicians right now that like look I'm not optimistic about it but like at least you can ruin someone's day.
Starting point is 01:00:20 Yeah and sometimes our spite is all we have. Yeah, because the thing is like, it like this is becoming increasingly untenable for the Democratic Party to continue to go along with this. And look, they are going to continue to do so, but it's becoming very, very tenuous. They're running out of goodwill. This country is becoming more problem than it's worth. And like, it's becoming a pain in our ass. And it was much easier when it was just sort of like a passive thing that we didn't have to pay attention to. I mean, it's just like one of the ways that, I don't know, it does differ from like South African apartheid.
Starting point is 01:00:58 Is that like, you know, they had like wine and diamonds we wanted. Like with the fuck do we we we'd be fine without it I could I got Google maps. I don't need ways Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I love when they bring up ways You just shit. Yeah. Oh my god. I think I think a biotech thing like I think they might have like kind of a good But I think it's just manufacturing. I don't think they invest like a whole lot in like pharmaceutical research.
Starting point is 01:01:30 I think they're just like, I think they're investing in startups to prolong life so that that guy and his son can suck each other's dicks from one to a thousand years. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you talked about how like they're, you know, they're fissures showing,
Starting point is 01:01:44 you know, inside the Democraticissures showing, you know, inside the Democratic Party and how this is increasingly untenable. I thought it was notable how Macron, like kind of broke with his previous stance on this. And it's like, obviously no one is confused and thinks he has like a conscience, but he like a lot of other people are realizing more trouble in this world. It's like, this is just like untenable.
Starting point is 01:02:10 You can't treat this like a normal country. Like it's gonna fuck up everything else for you. And also, another thing I'm noticing this week is like instructions going out to be like, when you're defending Israel, do not bring up the history of Israel because like that's a battle we can only lose and I think it's like in these narratives. First rule of Zionism do not talk about Zionism. Yeah no
Starting point is 01:02:33 initially in the defenses of Israel you would get these longly stemwinders about how like the Nakba didn't really exist or they left voluntarily or just all this stuff about how we've been attacked so many times and like this litany of historical facts that like previously I think people were just sort of like this shit's boring, I don't care. And they tuned it out and accept it as true. But the insistence on discussing the history of the foundation of Israel and its continued existence is like the more people become aware of that, the worse of playing field that they have to
Starting point is 01:03:04 work with. Yeah, well, and also like nobody wants to fucking read all that shit. Like I've been sent like a bunch of petitions to sign and they're like a page and a half long and it's like, man, I don't even want to read that. Like first of all, like I think I record on how I feel about the occupation has been pretty clear given given my career, if that's what you could call podcasting. Second of all, like, it's they're doing, I think, kind of the same thing where they're trying to inundate people with information and tell like a real story to counteract the revisionism. And I think that's
Starting point is 01:03:47 the wrong move. I think the first of all, keep the messaging as like condensed as possible. Also, you're going to get like a ton of criticism like from the left or whatever at the same time too. If you sign it because they're like, why are you calling it an occupation? It's not a genocide. It's like, shut the fuck up. It's very annoying when you're trying to be given, when someone is trying to give you a whole bunch of information to sort out the real story. And isn't like, is it Rochermon like a three hour movie? It's just the way to go is to keep your messaging simple and I think israel's really like hanging itself with like this barrage of you know
Starting point is 01:04:31 of insisting upon themselves with like you know these PR fucking like uh amber that stories yeah and that's exactly right because the message that they have to counteract which is the message embraced by most of the people on the world who are aware of it is ceasefire now. That's a very simple message. Stop the bombing and the occupation. And then to argue against that from the Israeli perspective requires this like Jenga set of fucking like contradictory to have truth and outright falsehoods. The longer you talk, the more people are gonna feel like you're lying. Like the one of the reasons, like the Bernie petition had such impact because it was just like three sentences. Like I like Bernie and I voting for him. People were like, cool.
Starting point is 01:05:18 I will read and sign that. But it's like, man, if I don't want to read it, nobody else wants to read. Just like give him enough rope. Let them talk as much as they want to like it they're losing credibility as it is they have you know as as Trump is correctly observed they're having bad objects they're losing favor just broadly with the American public not that what the American public wants not the popular will has much influence
Starting point is 01:05:45 if any on actual political policy, especially foreign policy. But like, I don't know, just don't talk about it. Just be like, hey, the occupation is bad and mean. It's mean. It's a bad guy. And then just let Israel have a fucking PR meltdown Let them try out the guy with the dumbest name and stupidest accent in the world Yeah, just get a complete fans guy out there and people like you know what I just don't I don't trust this guy
Starting point is 01:06:23 I think I'd say a good place to wrap things up here. But before we take off today, Chris has an important announcement for you guys. Hello, I pitched this on Thursday show, but this one's available for the public. So some of people listening might not necessarily be subscribers to the Chappell Trap House Patreon. Hell, we never even mentioned the Patreon on public shows. So some of you might not even know we have one. But I subscribe now if you haven't done so. We are awful at plugging, but we have good news over there on the content front, which is that we are releasing Hell of Presence, the American History series I did with Matt two years ago on Stitcher. We are putting that on to the Patreon.
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Starting point is 01:07:59 See you later. All right. I fall up in the club. I'm like a walking farmer. See if he ain't smoking what I'm smoking. Need to get the fuck from me. Bye. Bye. you

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