Chapo Trap House - 806 - Hero of Wives (2/12/24)

Episode Date: February 13, 2024

We give our annual post-Super Bowl report rating the spectacle and the ads, including the increasing, and increasingly funny, conservative opposition to the whole idea of “football”. Plus, a review of a tough week for Joe Biden, including a new round of trepidation about his age and fitness. Finally, we look at an amazing profile of Bill Ackman, a man who manages to be such an intense Wife Guy he’s ruined his wife’s life.

I All I got is hip chopper, hip hop and hip hop. All I got is hip chopper. All I got is hip chopper. All right, we're off and running? Yeah. All right, let's do it. The girls? Yeah, the girls are the girls of the diet.

All right, let's tap in. It's Monday, February 12th, Chappatrap house. Back again as we all, as we always do the end of the NFL season is time to put, wrap it up, put a big bow on it, break down last night's game. Let's just hop right into it with our panel of NFL experts. Amber Frost and Felix Biedermann. All right, Amber, I'm going to throw this one to you first. Was this the last night's game? Did the Chiefs win it or did the 49ers lose it with all their blown opportunities?

Oh, the second one. That was, that's my strongly held opinion. Okay, Felix Biedermann, I'm going to you here. Patrick Mahomes, who's the MVP, but did Chris Jones actually get snubbed? Was he the real MVP of the game? I'd rather, I want to talk about Travis Kelsey. I didn't, I didn't, I didn't hear him talk until like this week.

And I had no idea. Like, I don't know if I can say the thing he is. Starts with a W. I think you all know what I mean. But like, I just, I had no idea. I'd only seen pictures of him and I was like, oh, this is like a Chris Hemsworth type guy. Like he's a kind of like, you know, he, soy workout guy, you know, he would wear a tee,

you know, sort of like novelty T-shirts that cost $400. Like those like stupid big pants that you wear. And I was just like, you know, okay, he's there's no way that he's gonna open up his mouth and he's gonna be like, DEEEEM! And he is like someone who you would see wearing and one basketball shorts, would see wearing and one basketball shorts

a white guy and one basketball shorts and walking on the shoulder of the highway with a balance thing of Arizona ice. I just is this the greatest period of social mobility for those guys ever? I mean, they're back. I thought that they were extinct. It's good to know they're still out there keeping it real yeah it's the thing is there none of them left who are like poor or middle class yeah it's trickled up yeah yeah one basketball short guys trickled up yeah there's a sign of deep affluence now they're all like the richest people they're all like at the top of their field.

Like that, uh, that TikTok comedian, he's the biggest comedian in the world. Matt, right? Matt, right. Yeah. And I, I like, again, it was another thing where I was like, okay, like, I think I can kind of guess what this guy's like. You know, it's going to be like anyone on dating apps.

But no, you, you, you hear his special and he's like, damn, so who up in here trying to fuck? And it's like, well, he's talked like this the entire time? For a while, Indian comedians, a lot of Indian comedians doing that. I figured it had sort of moved on. But I'm glad he must have really enjoyed the halftime show. We were trying to get a baby put up in there tonight

Matt Reif does like a crowd work and it's so weird. He's um There's audiences all women like ages 18 to 26 including including adult film star Lisa Ann who got arrested at a recent Matt Reif His performance. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know why. I don't know. She was getting rowdy. Was she? Oh, wow. I wonder if she was at a fucking Bachelorette party. She's one of those chicks. I was in Nashville. Yeah. That is the best.

We never found out why she got arrested. Oh, I don't know. But, uh, speaking of, uh, uh, Travis Kelsey and, uh, to your point of feel like, so New York times really threw him under the bus by doing, like, the beginning of Super Bowl Week. They had an article, like, beginning of Black History Month, the article was like, what is the fade? Patrick Travis Kelsey's, like, awesome, cool new haircut that only he has.

Yeah. They're like, he invented this haircut. Yeah. A trendsetterter like Bo Derek Do you think like that's like if we're gonna take the you know the Taylor Swift Travis Kelsey thing at face value and not say like You know, oh, this is a marketing project or this is a my least favorite thing. This is a sigh up It's a it's a sigh up I found out about what sigh up It's just it's a

Tell us what this I up in you into liking her until but you know, she's trying to influence you to like her music Yeah, I just saw I'm not gonna be fooled. I just saw a Psyop for Colgate Billboard honestly, I thought to advertise Honestly, I kind of wondered if it wasn't a triangulation to get the halftime show That was my original theory. But instead, they decided to go with, so are you exactly 34 years old? Yeah. Here's the, we tailor made the most perfect, you are exactly 34 years old because it's just, it's just barely nostalgic for us. We're all like, this is junior high. But do you think that like, if we're like, in a taken on a face value and like, they're all like, this is junior high. But do you think that like if we're like in a taken on face value

and like they're in love, do you think that like for Taylor Swift, she probably never met a guy like that in her life. True. Yeah. Yeah. She was like she always talks about being like an outcast kind of sheltered in high school, which was, you know, that was the second wave of that when she was, she was born in like 87. And so like when she's 89. Yeah. Okay. So yeah, when she's in high school, when she's in high school, that's the perfect time to meet, you know,

a guy from the wrong side of the tracks. Yeah. The guy that Nick talked about in a very early come town episode, where he's just like, my IQ is 142. Yeah. Yeah. All UNC powder blue basketball. Yeah. Yeah. My IQ is 190. She was too sheltered to talk to those guys. So she never like it's like inoculation. Yeah.

In chicken pox when you're two. Yeah. She never experienced that before. So it was like a 34, 35 year old woman for the first time. She sees a white guy who's like, you know, I'm gonna call up my uncle. And she's like, oh my God, what is this? I'm feeling things.

Yeah, maybe like all along this was the kind of guy she needed. Like maybe this one will stick because like, this is like a revelation for her And she'll be like I do want to go to the cookout like Amber has Brock pretty gotten over that his reputation of being a game manager even in this roster more of a game executive now Is Brock pretty like is he one of those NFL players who's like he's not that good, but he's like Christian You need those

I mean otherwise like you know you got to balance it out against like I've been rewatching Yeah, yeah, I guess all the ones who have had their brains bashed in so they just punch women all the ones who have had their brains bashed in so they just punch women. I rewatching King of the Hill and he's talking to Bobby and he's like, well, the Cowboys aren't perfect and I still love them and they have a gun and drug problem. OK, the other big, the other big thing, the Super Bowl, halftime performance thoughts. Did we like usher? I was drunk in actually dancing. Like I was flashing back to my high school dances where,

even you and I were, yeah, yeah, yeah. There was a chaperone walking around saying, leave room for Jesus. We all discovered Freakin'. Oh man, you know, he's a great dancer. You know, obviously like the closing number. And you know what I realized? Ludacris, come back to music.

I mean, that was the most exciting thing. I mean, I mean, I always think back to like, damn, Ludacris, like he had a string of singles there in the odds that were like just all flawless. Yeah. All super fun. All super funny. Like it's just always party rock, party rockin. The party, the Super Bowl party I was at, there was just random. As soon as this song, there was just Luda every every 34 year old guy out. Luda Chris is like, yeah, you unfortunately like you can't really do rap like that nowadays.

No, it was fine. Yeah, like in in 2017 it started it started being you know rap started being like you needed to be like A 17 year old who like had the gates of Auschwitz Has never I bet Donna Benzo in his life. No way he's way too energetic. Yeah. Yeah Rap really got taken over by like, you know, I saw a picture of Lil Xam. I haven't seen in a while. Have you seen the picture? Yeah, his face is pressed up against his girlfriend.

Yeah. Yeah. Like those guys went away a little bit, like the SoundCloud guys, but it's still like, there's still like no one like Ludacris who's just like having fun. He's having fun out there. Oh, I must say, as soon as the game was over, I immediately thought about the Prince half time performance. Yeah. You never had that was.

And he made it rain. It was raining and like he did a medley in it that goes from proud Mary into all along the watchtower into the Foo Fighters best of you. I mean, I mean, like like she's not alive, right? Yeah. You saw my Paisley Park. I saw him. I saw him live like a year or two before he died. That's that's so very, very jealous, my friend. And I guess, you know, I'm out here.

I'm out here in sunny Los Angeles. I'm in the Chapo studio right now. I'm in a great mood that the Chapos do courtesy of Chris Wade. And I just want to like feel indulged in me, the listeners, I just want to recommend I've been watching them all morning. And if you want basically 16 minutes of unbridled joy for free, look up the on YouTube, look up the Prince live performance of Dirty Mind from the controversy tour. And then the live performance of it's going to be a beautiful night for Son of the Times. And you will be, you will be, you'll be matching my stellar mood today.

It's just pure, pure joy. He really is just incredible or was. I wasn't like, before I went to that concert, I wasn't like, you know, against Prince. I just never listened. I'd never read her. You were a prince, you're a show. Now I support monarchies.

Yeah, that I'm a monarchist. I just had heard it. You were a prince neutral. Now I support monarchies. Yeah. That was a monarchy. I just remember the end. There was a break in like the pandemic in Brooklyn and it was a beautiful spring day and they always celebrate Prince's birthday. There's always a big block party on Prince's birthday and I'm like, I had the most, I think I cried. I hadn't seen human faces in a while too.

But I was just like, okay, yeah, good. We very much needed this so as not to like, just start burning down buildings. Yeah. And then of course like the last element of the big game that Bear is talking about, the commercials. The commercials, just a few, just a few that I thought in my head

that really stuck out in my mind. The first one was the commercial for Jesus that advertised his affinity for washing feet. And it was like, go ahead, bitch, call some feet, I'll wash them. It was the show Feedy's, Sweetie Jesus Ed. And what, oh, there was a, of course, there's a great Ed for Israel during the Super Bowl as they turned Rafa into a slaughterhouse We'll talk about that in a second But I guess the only one the only good super commercial I kind of really liked was the the Duncan commercial with Matt Damon and Ben Affleck That was funny. It's always nice seeing them just be friends and hang out

You know was the Israel commercial the one where like the this like Jewish housewife is coming home and she sees someone wrote like You know like a third graders first attempt It's like a swastika and it's like juice get out of here Yeah, that was That was rule that that one was so weird to me because the guy like There's a very Gentile coated guy who's her neighbor who it's implied that he like washed it all he cleaned it off and painted over it was gone

It's weird that guy looked kind of like Mel Gibson It's like a very weird Subliminal thing where maybe Israel's message to the few anti-semitic celebrities where it's like listen if you like get on board with this all is forgiven. Dude the industry have completely forgiven. He just has too much charisma. They're like, ah! Like they just completely... Amber, I watched a Patriot on the flight out here and I gotta say, great movie.

Star Power, man. It's fucking a banger. It's everything, yeah. There is just no one who has his type of presence in a movie, either. You don't have those anymore. Where are we gonna watch fucking Timothy Chalamet, fucking do a cool one liner as something explodes?

Yeah, I mean, I will be watching Dune too, too. So yeah, like I guess they would have it be like Ryan Reynolds would do. Like, you know, don't watch whatever. I don't know movies. Mel Gibson makes. I presume it dragged across concrete is less movie. I heard that one's great. One of the most upsetting movies I've seen. Are you a Heacksaw Ridge?

Hacksaw Ridge is very good. I mean, he directed it. He's not in it. I like Hacksaw Ridge too. Yeah, there's not gonna be. I think Ryan Reynolds is a good example. He's also the prime example of what I call chin guys. Like there's really nothing memorable about his face,

but he has an okay jaw. And like there was a whole kind of slew of those and the Outs where they're like is this gonna work? You guys like this guy? Yeah, and he's been around for like ever. He's like 59 years old He's like he was in the movie waiting That came out in 2009 that movie is so old that a major plot of that movie is one of the protagonists wants to fuck a 17 year old. That's how old it is. That was still okay. And Ryan Reynolds has just, he's been around so long and you know, because he's 59, you wish he had some like Milton Gibson, Gravi Tutt. You wish he could be in a movie where he like, you know,

fucking pistol whips a guy or take someone's eye out, but he can't. He can just do free guy. Yeah. He can just like do a smug face and like borderline, borderline, you know, break the fourth wall. Yeah. No, that's it. Ryan Reynolds, go back to Canada, bitch. Oh, is it Canadian? All right, support him. that Canada bitch. I support him. So okay, I guess like the real capstone to the Super Bowl and like Joe Biden's very good week, which we need to talk about was the official White House sort of account posting a dark branded meme sort of like being like it's

all going according to plan. And I think it's fair to say it was for the win. I think he broke the internet. But like doing that at the time when like as I mentioned earlier is during the Super Bowl Israel started bombing like the safe zone that they've hurted like about a million people into producing some of the worst images I've seen since this shit began like unspeakable atrocity and Biden just doing the dark Brendan meme while this shit is going on. You gotta admit though it is a brilliant move to just be like all the gentiles will be occupied. Doing that meme like and the crux of it is like he's playing 4D chess meme like and the crux of it is like he's playing 40 chess and

Then the next day your state department is like well, we can't do anything. They know when we'll listen to us It was Joe Biden like it's like a this sort of like grainy black and white image of Joe Biden grinning Dementically with glowing red eyes and he's like it's all going according to plan like he rigged the Super Bowl for Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift Like like Ray Wenger is your sort of by the way This is an accident was like some intern like This was started as a joke yeah People the people who did this at first I'm talking about the very first people who did it who created it It wasn't a pro-Biden thing. It

was a joke because, you know, his, he was having like the worst approval ratings ever and they thought it would be funny if they made like, bash wave Joe Biden. Right. Like, like if they made him seem like it. So do you think his team thought it was like anymore? Do you think the team thought it was like a compliment? Yes, yes, yes. That's literally what happened. Glowing red Yes. Literally. Literally would have glowing red eyes

Yes, I think says charisma like glowing red eyes Yeah, but those people love they think it's the coolest thing ever and like every time I've noticed every time Biden like shits his pants or shows up To a press conference naked they bust out dark Brandon the next day and they're like everything's fine He's not gonna die soon. It's like also, like, and what are you as referencing, like the Super Bowl scythe conspiracy? I just saw before he got on someone said, I never would have guessed 10 years ago that liberals would get the NFL and the national divorce, but I guess that's, that's what's happening now because football is gay and Satan.

I said, there were a lot of funny posts from right wingers that were watching the Sporps ball. Yeah. I'll be boarding a tuxedo and going to church. That was literally one of those was like, you know, oh, liberals are eating goisalop. I love goisalop. Goisalop is so funny.

Every once in a while, every once in a while, those guys come up with something that like they they don't even know how funny it is. Yeah. Yeah. Goi Slop is pretty funny because it's like, well, that's how I would describe what they do. I know. And we do. I had some kind of mayonnaise based salad while I was there. It is a biological genetic thing that like the the sons of Europe they love the sloppiest thing Which is buffalo chicken dip when I see that I want to fucking bomb I love I love actually even more Chris and I were talking about us even more than ranch

Which is the most the how do you get a Hoosier girl to suck your dick? Dip it in ranch, that's a good one. I like blue cheese, which I think might even be more Gentile. But I'm talking about the stuff that's made in a crock pot, where it's like a cheese sauce with bits of chicken. I'm gonna make you Tater Tot hot dish. That Tater Tot hot is fine. I almost made Buffalo chicken dip for Josh Androwski's party

until he told me it was already spoken. Yeah. But like these guys, the post I saw though, where the guy was talking about Goyslop, he said, you know, they're eating Goyslop and they're wearing another man's name on the back of their jersey. Meanwhile, we're praying and wearing dress clothes.

Yes, and it's like, are you equal? Yeah, they're like, I won't be watching the Super Bowl. I'll be playing dress up with my friends. What do you think it is? Like, because they still have the huge military thing. They're still the weird Christian guys. It's just because Travis Kelsey got vaccinated and Taylor Swift is his girlfriend.

Yeah. And the NFL highlights the achievements of black people. They should love that. She looks like if Ava Braun was like a praying mantis. She's like the whitest woman on earth. I don't like, in 2019, just like you said, she started looking like, you know, a typist for the SS. Someone who would go on a date with Gering. And I-

So she's your sprung as well. Yeah, ever since she started looking like that, you know, perfect. Ilsa, yeah. I wanna take that, cause like obviously like, like the massacre that happened during the Super Bowl, this is like, you know, there's a lot of K-Fabe going on here, but like this is, you know, coming on the heels of a week in which like the US State Department and their spokespeople have just basically said, yeah, I mean, I, if that was us, we wouldn't do that.

Well, like, I'm just saying, we're not here to tell them what to do, but if that was us, I probably wouldn't do that. They said, um, yesterday during the same press conference where they said they're unable to make Israel do anything They said well obviously we're we're unhappy with the results They're like gentle parents yeah, no, but I don't think it's like yeah He said like every time something unspeakable happens. They try to dark Brandon, but then there's like a pattern here We're like the worse it gets in Gaza, they keep like leaking stuff to the press about like, you know, behind the scenes, Joe Biden is actually quite upset about this. And I want to talk about this one, this is NBC News from this morning, it says, Biden disparages Netanyahu in private, but hasn't

significantly changed U.S. policy towards Israel and Gaza. It reads, President Joe Biden has been venting his frustration in recent private conversations, some of them with campaign donors, over his inability to persuade Israel to change its military tactics in the Gaza Strip. And he is named Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu as his primary obstacle, according to five people directly familiar with his comments. Biden has said he is trying to get Israel to agree to a ceasefire, but Netanyahu is giving him hell and is impossible to deal with. And then it goes on to say like that he calls him at least in three recent instances.

Biden has called Netanyahu an asshole, according to three people directly familiar with his comments. Like, did they think that this makes him look good, like, impotently talking shit about some guy behind his back? Yeah, Netanyahu straight up just openly says, we have to tell our friends no. Like, he's way more assertive about it. He's like, Biden is calling Netanyahu a real jerk to people behind his back it's just like I'm just imagining him talking he's talking about Netanyahu like the guy Jerry Lundegard tries to sell true coat too. You're a fucking liar Mr. Netanyahu. You lied to me Mr. Lundegard. You're a bald-faced liar.

to me, Mr. Lungard. You're a bald face liar. They've been doing this for weeks now, and they don't realize how fucking weak it makes them look. Like, if we're gonna take it, I don't believe them. I'm not taking them at face value, that they're even trying anything. But if they were, and somehow with a nation that we're going to give $17 billion to, a nation that we're going to give 17 billion dollars to a

nation that cannot fucking exist without the most help out of anyone they need so much fucking help just to keep running they admit it that you can't get them really anything I really kind of like I thought under this at this point they have at least to some level of self-sustainability, or as small as they are. No, like during Obama, one of their goals was to like become more self-reliant. Like a normal country. Right.

To have it so that they're... But why would you if, you know, mom doesn't make you move out of the basement? Well, they tried and they failed, and they openly admit that they weren't able to do that. Yeah. And I mean, they need a lot of help. Not all of it is from America, of course. They get help from, you know, the five eyes nations. They get a lot of help from Russia, which no one on any side likes to admit.

But yeah, no, they are one of the most dependent nations on earth. Well, calling publicly for a ceasefire, I mean, like, it would make them look even more impotent because he would just be like, no. Yeah. Like, there's no... It's more embarrassing the leaks or whatever, but like, he's kind of just in a...

Like, they're not gonna stop fucking giving them money. Well, yeah. And then I saw this morning, the State Department press conference with that guy, Matt Miller. them money. Well, yeah, and then I saw this morning the State Department press conference with that guy Matt Miller, and they were asked, like, well, if the president's unhappy with what's going on right here, like, if they, as he used any leverage, and the Matt Miller said,

we think the president's words matter. So, like, next week, if Israel kills another 2,000 children, he may drop the F-bomb. He may break out the F-word. Yeah, absolutely. They're never gonna do anything. Even like, Danielle, who was like, yeah, we're not gonna listen to this scene

I'll man like he does not care You know like the words they're talking about the matter was Biden during his press conference That was overshadowed because yeah, CC, Mexican Because he said CC was a fool He said that Israel's response was over the top. Wow. Wow. Watch out there Edward Said Yeah, there's a bit much. It's a little on the nose. Yikes for me. Okay, Billy. Okay. Now we got to talk about last week the Joe Biden, the Joe Biden press conference was like, I wasn't aware it was even going on at the time. And then I look at the timeline

it's blowing up. I had to stop watching Love on the Spectrum, a show I deeply love because I was just like I need to dive into this. Who let him do this? Who let him? They were like okay well the special, I mean I guess they were kind of forced to because the special counsel's report basically said about Biden's own mishandled, declassified documents case said we were like basically we declined to prosecute because any jury would just find him a well-meaning, but essentially forgetful and elderly old man. And then they were like, they were like, well, time to show you who's elderly and forgetful.

And he comes out there and, I mean like the CC Mexico thing, I'm gonna give him a pass on that. I think the thing that really, the thing that really set this off was the fact that he referred to Mitterrand as the president of Germany. That was before.

That was before. That was before, but like going into this and then you call CC the president of Mexico, which is our good friend Ev, shout out to you, Napoleon said, it's kind of understandable because Egypt and Mexico, deserts, walls on their borders, and giant pyramids. Giant pyramids. Yellow filter when you're in

The grainy piss filter on the American movie is trying to say that we're in either Egypt or Mexico But um, he could not have looked worse at that press conference. Yeah, I didn't watch it I saw a few Disaster yeah, I like it's some highlight. He may as well have walked out naked. Yeah, like that's like he looked he looks fucking awful. They gave him another facelift. I've seen pictures.

He looks really weird. Yeah, he looked better before the facelifts. I don't know why they keep doing this. It's better before the insane teeth. Yeah, I think they are not dressing him up well. Think about being him for a second. Think about being Biden, 81 years old, you don't even know when your son died

and every day you're waking up with a new face. Oh, God, yeah. Like, do you think that's helping things? Oh my God. Yeah, yeah, they say that like when you get, do you wanna show the swan? Yeah. That's literally when society was like,

okay, we need to really respect, we've done some horrible disgusting things. But apparently like when they weren't allowed to look at themselves and then after the plastic surgery and then they took it off and look in the mirror and everyone cried and they kind of edited it to make it be like, oh, they're so happy that they're not fuggly and thus useless bishers.

But apparently like after they talked to a few of them, they're like, I was freaking out. It was really, really, really upsetting. He must be having that like every other day at least. And then he forgets about it and looks for slippers or whatever. Yeah. No, it's got to be just jarring, but like he, there's no getting out of this. You know, like the only move they have is to be like well like Trump's

Which is true like they're both like the day the same day or the day after Trump called Orban the leader of Turkey Yeah, there's there's no like affirmative Having more more senior moments, too. I've noticed yeah They're both in their fucking 80s. I was talking to Chris before he got on and it's like, does he have full blown senile dementia? Probably not there yet, but his problem is that he's 84 fucking years old. You can only do so much.

And as Chris was saying, regardless of what you think about it, the job is to perform the office of the presidency. You have to like play the part and he is failing at that because of one reason or another. It's interesting comparing Trump to Biden because they're basically perfectly inverted, right? Like I think by I'm not as bullish on like the Biden is like senile as other people. I think he's probably fine, but he cannot appear normal. I'm buying right now. It's a spectrum. Whereas Trump, I believe his brain is mush, but he is a fantastic performer. Yeah.

He can look commanding. Yeah. You don't actually need to have it together to have charisma. Yeah. Well, I'll fix your point. Like when I saw this press conference, I was just thinking like, it's impossible for me to imagine that they bring him in through, like, to keep going with him to the election day. It's impossible if you imagine, but also impossible for me to imagine that they do anything about this.

Right. It's just like, it's just... Well, look, here's the thing. In terms of performing competency and professionalism and knowing that there's an adult in charge, they can always rely on Conala. Well, I mean, have you noticed this week, like every time Joe Biden has a press conference or has a senior oopsie moment, everyone resurfaces the coconut tree club. Yeah. Yeah.

The coconut tree was going off this week. You think you just fell out of a coconut tree. You exist in the context of all in which you live and what came before you. I love, I was going off, but you know, I don't care if it makes me a basic bitch. I rewatched like three times. Yeah, it's great. It's great. And honestly, like I used to say Kamala would do even worse than Biden, but I don't believe that anymore

She rocks think about a debate. She thinks she's at brunch. She has talked about not knowing where you are Yeah, think about like Biden doesn't know where he is in a scary way, but Kamala doesn't know where she is in a fun way like little sand. Yeah. Yeah, she's it. Well, no, she's like Amelia Baddilia Think about it. I want to think about a debate where Trump is like he's, you know, one of those bad Trump performances where he spends the entire time talking about the forty ninth most important guy in the FBI. You know, I hate I hate Lenny Cornhill. And Kamala is up there and she's saying things like

places are things we've all been to But I mean speaking of performing the office of the presidency I Chris was And I had to nod my cap to you the coconut tree speech the coconut tree comments if Obama had delivered the exact same words But just in Obama speak people would still be talking about it as a transcendent moment the exact same words, but just in Obama's speak, people would still be talking about it as a transcendent moment in American politics. I was really cracking myself up, just going, let me be clear, you did not fall out,

I hope in a dream. You are the product of your content. It's exactly like one of those, I don't know if there were any of the Super Bowl, but those commercials that tend to run during the Super Bowl, where you hear like, doon doon doon doon doon, piano, and they just show a bunch of stock footage

and they're like, we're moving forward. When ambition meets a dream, everyone is there. It's like one of those things. The thing that's like driving me crazy, not just with like the Biden senility stuff, but just like maybe more pertinently, the fact that he is doing worse than anybody at this juncture in their presidency in the modern era. Like he is at Bush in 2007-2008 territory. It's astounding that like the fallback for the pro-Biden people, just for left liberals in general is like, well, the media is unfair. Yeah. Joe Biden has been in politics since 1970. Shouldn't he know how to deal with the media at this point? Wasn't that,

didn't you bring out the idea that this guy has done so much and maybe he's been on the wrong side of almost every major decision? But he's just, he's done so much. He knows how to deal with all of this. He doesn't know neither he nor his advisors seem like they know how to do anything. They, they're response to anything, anything in the media. And I'm sorry, like the media reporting that he called CC Mexican is not biased. No, he did, he did that. Yeah.

He did that, but like that they don't have any, they don't have any move besides like, you know, it's treason to post Hunter's cock. It is. I mean, I'm thinking about that like in light of the news report that came out this week about how he sent something like deputy NSA guy to Michigan to talk to like handpicked Arab and Muslim community leaders. And the comments that he made is like, look, we feel that there's been an inaccurate perception cultivated that's totally inaccurate that we don't care about the loss of Palestinian life. And like, I'm here to assure you that we definitely, we do care, we do see them as

people. But like similar to the Biden age thing is that it's like in policy, it's like it's never the thing itself it's always people's perceiving the thing yeah problem and then it's always like the media's fault for allowing people to perceive things that like are wildly sort of different than like what the official line is it reminds me of people who act like Bernie didn't really lose because like the party did something unprecedented well like i'm fucking sorry but we knew that they would do things like that. And if we had a working plan to mitigate that, then we then-

For the horses maybe. Yeah, you know, you are supposed to be able to account for those things. It is very, yeah. Like, look, the only reason that we lost is because they beat us What they're gonna they're trying very hard and they Reaction to the Biden press conference though was like so some woman who is just like oh like you really? Oh, like you're making fun of Biden's memory. Tell me where your air pods are really tell me where your earbuds are right now

And I'm like in their case. Okay, like what do you want from me here lady? And I'm not running for president either. Yeah. The thing that drives me fucking nuts is he wasn't like drafted into this. Yeah. He chose to do this. Yeah. He's not, he's not doing all of us a fucking favor. And I want to have a one, one of the sort of like scramble to like sort of legitimize this is in the New York times is an op-ed piece. I'm a neuroscientist. We're thinking about Biden's memory and age in the wrong way. So like, yeah, you're thinking it's a problem and that's wrong. And I just want to highlight one piece from this. It says here, Mr. Biden is the same age as Harrison Ford, Paul McCartney and Martin Scorsese. Have you seen Harrison Ford lately, by the

way? He's also a bit younger than Jane Fonda and a lot younger than Berkshire Hathaway CEO Warren Buffett. All these individuals are considered to be at the top of their professions. And yet I would not be surprised if they are more forgetful and absent-minded than when they were younger. In other words, an individual's age does not say anything definitive about their cognitive status or where it will head in the near future. To that I gotta say, Martin Scorsese did Killers of the Flower Moon this year and Joe Biden did Killers of every Palestinian people this year. So I mean, look, what kind of comparison do you want to draw here?

And once again, I'm not voting for Martin Scorsese to be president, although I wish I could. Yeah, yeah. We'll do a write-in this year. It's also weird because it's like, well, I don't know. I also see him talking. And I saw the little narration that Scorsese did before killers of the foot flower moon.

And I'm like, he seems like he's got it together. Maybe he doesn't. But at the very least, I don't constantly see Martin Scorsese. He having senior moments. Yeah. He was in a super vault commercial too. I forgot about moments. Yeah. He was in a Super Bowl commercial too. I forgot about that. Yeah. His output is like, yeah, just signing off on every horrific

crime against humanity done by Israel or like trying to play 5D chess by, like, I don't know, trying to pass an immigration bill that just is everything that the Republican Party wants. Yeah. Like ending all of asylum. Yeah. I mean, I guess their response to that would be like, look at this one column on this graph about consumer sentiment. OK. Yeah, you got it. So, yeah, like, I mean, I just don't know where this is going.

Like I said, it's impossible. It's insane to me that they would let this guy continue to run for president and just get Kamala in there That's what that's what it takes. You'd be better off with Kamala at this point. I don't know ability yet But I'd be not surprised at all if they if it's November and he's still out there This is their best asset right now is dogs. It's abortion and Biden I don't even think this is a product of senility. I think it's more product of like how fucking old he is and how he calculates political decisions. It's always 1995 for him.

He's still going out there and saying, you know, I'm not for abortion on demand. Which is like the double on demand being. What, what, as opposed to what? A lottery system? Like it's so, I, I, that. And you don't enter yourself. You have to do. It's like Shirley Jackson. But it's like that is... It's so... That's so is just not meeting the moment.

He's running away from that. From the single issue in which he has like a 50 point advantage over Trump and the Republican Party. But at the same time, he's fucking showing up to like huge events that are like anniversary of Roe v. Wade. I remember the fucking PR statement for it is like celebrating Roe v. Wade. It's like, I don't think you get to celebrate it when you lost it on your watch. Yeah. The arguments are always bringing out like, you know, their best one, the best thing they have is abortion, right? But the other stuff is like, you know, think about what Trump will do to the entire human. Think about what it'll do at the border. You mean everything that Democrats tried to do like last week?

Yeah, last week they tried to just give the Republican Party the Stephen Miller immigration plan. And they were like, what do you want from us? We can, we did everything they wanted and we still, they still won't be nice. What are you, you know, it's just like, why should I fucking vote for you? Yeah, even if, even if the point of doing that was to show that Republicans are just obstructionists,

who, who fucking cares? Shouldn't we know that by now? I would like to find out who that moved. Who was like, I'm not voting for Biden. And then they saw that the Republicans just didn't vote for the bad immigration bill. Oh my God, these guys don't want to get anything done. Who does this work on? Who is this for?

All right, moving on to the reading series for today. In amber, I'm glad we have you on the show because the last time you were on, we talked about the Bill Ackman, Mary Oxman saga. And then he's sort of like, you know, after the extent of her plagiarism and his, you know, campaign to get business insider to reimburse him for the emotional damage on this way, he sort of disappeared. I wasn't seeing any 10,000 word posts from him, but he's back in this New York magazine profile titled raging bill

I this guy He needs to be interviewed every week the details in this already is incredible So let's let's dive into this profile of Bill Ackman in New York magazine. It begins Ever since he was a boy Bill Ackman dreamed of being a businessman ever since he was a boy, Bill Ackman dreamed of being a businessman. Like Henry Hill. Like Henry Hill. Well, here he says, he sold ads for Let's Go Travel Guides from his dorm room as an undergrad at Harvard and co-captain the business school crew team, which had ores decorated with dollar signs.

Let's face up to what Harvard Business School represents, Ackman wrote in the school newspaper, after rowers were booed at the head of the Charles. We spent 90% of our own studies at HBS pursuing the maximization of the dollar. We're maximizing the dollar here. But even as a college student, Ackman was also thinking about how the university worked and the role it played in society. He majored in social studies and took a formative course on ethnicity and nationalism taught

by Marty Peretz. Oh! Marty Peretz, a well-known genocidal racist, Marty Peretz. So I wonder what he saw in, or perhaps inside, a young Ackman, knowing what we know about Marty Peretz and should we say the trades? The rough trades? Gave my wife to Business Insider. I call that a rough trade. Marty Peretz. He also critiqued the idea that the university was primarily a place for the transfer of knowledge. The real purpose of a university in a capitalist society was to

distribute privilege," Ackman wrote. The question, who should go to college, should perhaps more appropriately become, who is going to manage society? His nephew recently enrolled at Harvard, as did his eldest daughter, which Ackman told me recently, is where the trouble started. She became like an anti-capitalist, practically a Marxist Ackman said in January, leaning across a large conference room table at the offices of his hedge fund, Pershing Square. We talk about capitalism and she would freak out at the table. His daughter was in the social studies department, just like her father, and rode crew, too. But she

had chosen to write her thesis on the concept of reification in Western Marxist thought. Having come to very different conclusions in her father hand about how the world should work, Ackman said, it felt as though she'd been indoctrinated into a cult. So like, he's just like, his daughter wasn't enough like him, even though she rode on the Dollar Crew team. Yeah, and it's also like, okay, if you're Bill Ackman

and your daughter, you know, she's like 19 or 20 now, and she's, you know, talking about unlimited genocide on the first world, just wait a few years. Yeah, give it a minute. You'll be fine. This is her rebellious phase. Yeah, don't worry, she'll course correct. She went to college.

I think that's always so weird to me about like any guy like this this anyone who has billions of dollars when they're like 19 year old son or daughter is like I'm a freaking epic communist That they think it's the end of the world like they think that they're not just gonna like drop it in two years Yeah, but I think for a guy like this. It's like he like he needs to have control over everything So right a minor deviation from having a daughter that's exactly like him in every respect is like going to front him personally and now a national problem that needs to be addressed by like the president of Harvard

on down. And let's be honest, it's probably a bigger deal because it's a daughter. Yeah. It says, while Ackman's campaign had suddenly made him a boogeyman of the left, he has long been a Democrat other than the time he registered as a Republican to vote in a primary for Mike Bloomberg. The Pershing Square lobby has a Ukrainian flag on the wall, and bathrooms still have a reminder to sing happy birthday to yourself when washing your hands. Wow. That's like, they also have a sign that says, don't pick your nose.

That really does not make me feel confident about the idea of investing with them. All traders must wash their hands before returning to the money machine. That's why money is so filthy. Yeah. So it says here, while we spoke going on, it says, while we spoke, an assistant carried a pink folder into the conference room that was, that was stuffed with handwritten letters from supporters. One was a certificate of commemoration made out to Bill Ackman for cleaning out the swamp. He's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's sharing like fan letters that fake certificates for cleaning out the swamp at Harvard. There is, I, you know,

I used to think the most pathetic thing were those Dutch guys who would like take pictures of Elon Musk with like his 14th kid. And be like, I imagine right now Elon is saying, moments like this are like jeweled treasures in the sands of our lives. And like that's weird, but that's just how, that's like how Europeans are.

But I used to think that was like the most pathetic thing you can do I actually think it's more pathetic to do this for Bill Ackman. Yeah, because like Elon Musk He you know by hook or by crook. He was briefly worth like 300 billion dollars Yeah, it was stupid like, you know Tesla should not be worth that much But Bill Ackman is just a normal billionaire who lost a fight with Herbalife. Yeah, and I think people like to fantasize. They're like, if I was a type of billionaire,

I would be an Elon Musk style billionaire. No one wants to like sort of aspiration. Apparently some people do. They're like, one day I'm going to be like Bill Ackman. There are some really gross posts out there where people are like drawing Bill Ackman or like making an AI. Bill Ackman is like a Roman legionaire. Okay. This is the next paragraph. Ackman didn't see himself in Patrick Bateman,

but he had spent a few days in January posting quotes from Gladiator and retweeting his newly formed legion of reply guys as they posted AI- AI generated images of Ackman as a Roman general. Welcome to the posse, Ackman wrote to one, Let's Roll. The movie which Ackman told me is one of his favorites, certainly has themes he is eager to identify with, portrayal by the elites, the importance of winning the crowd, the perils of attacking a man's family. Ackman took particular inspiration from Gladiator's opening scene, which he posted on X. You have the barbarians on the other side, and they chopped someone's head off.

And then the Romans go and kill the barbarians. Ackman said, I mean, business insider, they're the barbarians. Joey, do you like those back gladiators? Why did you talk? What the fuck are you doing? Do you think your life is like gladiator? They killed his entire family. Yeah, yeah.

Business Insider had an article where it was like, your wife loves Wikipedia. And he's like, this wife is good as dead. My kids are dead. They're as good as done. Yeah, meanwhile, the wife has not noticed at all. Yeah. Yeah, I would like to find out what Neeri's favorite movie is. I'm more interested

in that. So moving on here. That night, Ackman and Oxman hosted a dinner at their Upper West Side apartment, a gathering of world minds. Oh, my welcome to mindheads. World minds, an invitation only community owned by the media conglomerate Axel Springer that is a kind of rotating series of Davos late dinner parties. The kind of places where VIPs discuss the world's problems over cocktails. Oxman is a member of the Groups Advisory Board. The featured guests were two members of the World Mines Network. David

Petraeus, former CIA director and current partner at the private equity firm KKR, and Avi Loeb, an Israeli astrophysicist at Harvard. The war on Gaza had been raging for a month, and Petraeus gave a dispiriting talk about the broader geopolitical fallout. Later in the evening, in a call for dialogue among different tribes, Paolo Antoni, a curator at MoMA, offered a thought. Love the aliens, he said. Loeb took the idea and suggested looking for hope from above. My personal belief is that the Messiah will arrive, not necessarily from Brooklyn as some Orthodox Jews believe, but rather from outer space, Loeb told the Groot. The extraterrestrial Messiah's message, he said, would be to stop fighting over territory here,

because there is much more real estate available throughout the universe The space messiah is gonna come and be like stop fighting over Palestine will give you a new Gaza Strip on the moon Yeah, this is absolute Ma non Sheila is in this fucking group This is can someone inspect that apartment for carbon Like this is what a science guy is saying that we're gonna solve all our problems by making Warhammer real. Yeah.

It's a Deus Ex Machina. We just gotta look to the skies. Yeah, we're Israel who can't eat. They can't even make like a movie anyone wants to see. They are going to colonize an asteroid and like live there, sure. I mean, I would love it if they tried. I would love it if every Israeli got on a spaceship and was like,

we're going to live on that asteroid. Back on earth, Loeb listened while Ackman said he was hopeful that gay would respond to his letter. It's a sort of cloning gay of a Harvard. I'm a theoretical physicist, so I get paid to make predictions. I said to him, I don't think you will. Loeb told me the last thing Harvard would do is admit their mistakes I just love the Ackman in the space Messiah Ground-controlled the major bill

Check your plagiarism and may your wife's love be with you All right. All right here. Okay. Here's here's that here's the product that people were sharing all today This is this is a peek inside the beautiful billionaire mind. Ackman believes that our lives are often faded from birth. I have a view that people become their names, he told me. Like, I've met people named Hamburger that own McDonald's franchises. Kevin Gates bar. I believe strongly, I believe strongly in nominative determinism. Yeah, we're on board about that. So he says, we've been talking for nearly an hour and a half when Ackman asked me what not my name was hoping to offer a diagnosis.

After he seemed momentarily stumped by my surname, I offered him my first name, which he misheard as read. Read, write, he said before turning back to himself. So my name is Ackman. It's like activist man. All right, let's do it. Let's do it. So let's see some nominees determined as a man. It's the fucking Kathy Guy's white, but a guy.

I think that's very obvious what you are. All right, let's see some nominees determined here. Is it Amber Frost? Um, I just sexy porn star right here star Or an X-man Awesome name. I don't know. I'm a dick good. Yeah, if you look beeter man You're like you like you you draw on beat. Yeah, you draw a beat on a man We we stole our name from some Gentiles and we did a great job. It was aspirational when we stole it Because you're like I want that koi slop.

Yeah. Yeah. We. So the. This name means petite bourgeois. That's like the first beatermans in America, like, uh, or at least one of them was a heroin dealer. He was not petite bourgeois, but look at us now.

We, it worked. Will. Menaker. I saw like a will to give men aches Give them tummy aches Chris Wade. He's like Jesus waiting into the water if of podcast. Yeah I weighed into the content to the river of Jordan. Yes to the river of Jordan Moving on here. It says in 2000 okay here we go in 2012 Ackman waged his most infamous activist battle, a merciless

campaign against Herbalife, a multi-level marketing company that hawks dietary supplements. Ackman argued that the company was a pyramid scheme and that federal regulators would shut it down. This is the highest conviction I've ever had about any investment I've ever made, Ackman said at the time. He had taken a sizable short presumption and promised that it was going to the end of the earth to prove himself right. In certain respects, Ackman was vindicated.

Regulators made Herbalife pay a $200 million settlement and altered its business model, but he had overlooked an inherent risk that came with his personality. How much some people dislike him. His cockiness had become legendary in an industry that has never lacked for self-assurance. And he had placed his Herbalife short. After he had placed his Herbalife short, Carl Eichmann, another hedge fund billionaire, took the opposite side of the bet, plowing money into the company's stock, seemingly out of spite. Ackman had previously spent seven years suing Eichmann over a few million dollars, petty

cash for two Titans. At one point, Ackman was making a live appearance on CNBC. Eichmann called into the show. I really sort of had it with this guy, Aiken, said. I had dinner with him and I gotta tell you, I couldn't figure out if he was the most sanctimonious guy I ever met in my life or the most arrogant. Listen to this. This is him sitting here listening to him call in a show

that he wasn't scheduled to be on. Aiken remained calm as Aiken attacked. I went to a tough school in Queens, you know, and they used to beat up little Jewish boys. He's like, I can said, he's like one of those little Jewish boys crying that the world is taking advantage of him. His name is so close to Ikeman. Ikeman continued his attack on Herbalife, but he couldn't bring the company down when he finally bailed on the bet in 2018. He had lost $1 billion.

Carl Icon for people who don't know he's like pretty old now He's like in his 90s, but in the 80s if you were you know like selling a woman You were probably selling it to Carl Icon He was like all throughout the 80s. He was like He was doing Gordon Gekko shit He would like you know buy a company that exclusively employed kindly old men and kill all of them. And like take their pen. He's awesome. He's like a just a psychopath. And even as like an 86 year old, he owned Bill Ackman.

I gotta say like the lawsuit. How's his memory? What was it? Like one million or two million? We had a couple of million dollars. They're like, yeah, that's small potatoes. And it's like, that is small potatoes. Like if you've got that, what a petty, what a petty little bitch. What a petty little bitch.

You know what? I gotta say, I can, ooh, I need Jewish boys. Just scraping for coins. I'm sorry, he has a point. He has a point. That is funny. That is really funny that like in I give me enough change like in I can's retelling of it Like the kids getting bullied for being Jewish like we're pooses they deserve that

I could is Jewish like he is like he's also Jewish But I don't know anesthesiaastasia, Carl Eichen, those were some tough Jews. You can't hate anything more than you hate the mirror. But it says here, he's awesome. He fucking clears, builds smokes, crack down. Wait, listen to this. Ackman still bristles at mention of the Herbalife exchange. I wasn't whiny and no one beat me up. I'm not crying. Going on to his wife defense. It says here, when gay finally resigned on January segment,

Ackman was in the Dominican Republic with Ackman and their daughter. It was the penultimate night of his vacation, but Ackman couldn't resist taking a victory lap and spent nine hours from 6 p.m. to 3 a.m., writing his 4,000-word reaction in Microsoft Word, and then by pasting it into a tweet. Ackman said being married to Ackman, who is Israeli, gave him a visceral connectivity to the October 7th attack, and that she had been his quiet partner throughout the fall. When Ackman tweeted about his visit to Cambridge, Ackman privately attended a lunch at the same month hosted by the MIT Israel Alliance. It was partially group therapy and partially just that stressed out students need free food. Talia Khan, the group's president told me, adding that many

MIT students knew Ackman as that guy who's Neary's husband. Ackman had largely shied away from making public statements. She kept debating whether she wanted to post, Ackman said. What was she going to post? It was the best of times. It was the worst of times. I said, sweetheart, you know what? Let me be the tip of the spear on this thing. Ackman didn't see anything wrong with jumping to his wife's defense after having weaponized the allegations of plagiarism against gay. I don't think I was being hypocritical at all, he said. Ackman did run his own Harvard thesis through a plagiarism Detector and was relieved when it came back clean I was shivering in my boots Ackman told me the irony would have been something well

It's like yeah, but did you write sure did you run your wife's thesis through the same AI plagiarism detector? Well, it's hard. That's what's an issue here. Well, it's hard to run like, you know two Christmas ornaments glued together Through a plagiarism detector as far as I know that's like what her work is so it says here to run like, you know, two Christmas ornaments glued together through a place of detective. As far as I know, that's like what her work is. So it says here, uh, act, uh, we are the number one trending with 38,600 posts and the Princess of Wales is at number two at 2,998. Ackman wrote to Blodgett, like the head of business insider and a post on X. Ackman said that rectifying the situation would require only

seven simple steps, including Axel Springer taking action to depublish the stories about Oxman and then having it as CEO, Matthias Dopfner, fly from Germany to New York immediately to sit down with Henry Kravitz of KKR and adopt a settlement fund to compensate all those who have been victimized by business insider. Why is Henry Kravitz involved? Henry Kravitz, this is another guy from the 70s and 80s. If you've seen the movie Barbarians at the Gate with... Of the book. Well, it's a book and a movie.

Oh, it's a movie too? Yeah. James Gardner plays Ross, something, the CEO of Nabisco at the time. It is a great book. It's about the privatization of Nabisco not privatization in the government sense, but like taking it private But Henry Krabis is he's not as cool as Carl Icahn, but he did the same type of thing Except he was a private equity guy He was just like looting the Kepler elves tree.

Yeah, he slid the Kepler elves' throats. The snap, crackle, and pop were shot into a ditch following our hostile takeover. He's also like a 100-year-old man. So like, why is he involved in this? I don't know. Like, does he elaborate on this? So it says, oh wait, so yeah,

they have to fly to New York to adopt a settlement fund and compensate all those who have been victimized by business insiders. So it's like him and Dave Portnoy basically. So it says here, with the proceeds of any settlement for Oxman going to her company, so she can accelerate the incredible work she does. How much money does she need to make diorama?

Is that that like also, there has to be some legal gray area there where like a lawsuit just for investment money. Yeah. Like it's kind of suspect. I mean, I'm sure you can use the money for whatever you want, roll around in a big bed on it, but it really doesn't make your case look legitimate.

Also, nobody can fucking sue, like people don't sue page six. I can't stress this enough. Like, Business Insider just publishes the most like, like just bitchy little fucking stories. It's just, it's just like employees being like, you know, Elon Musk picks his nose. And his wife did plagiarize like both the previous. It's also like employees being like, you know, Elon Musk picks his nose. His wife did plagiarize.

Yeah. It is also the truth. Yeah. There's no case here at all. But it's also like Axel Springer is like awful for a billion reasons. They basically make all their employees sign a loyalty pledge to Israel. But in their like defense here, like how could they keep going as a normal news company if they come out and like...

Unpublish things? Are part of an extortion ring that benefits a woman who still has to staple her mittens to her toes. Well, it's also just like, that's not even how it works. They would post an addendum or whatever it was like, you know, that would be like Previously in this article it says that you know, Bill Ackman is a bad guy. He's actually very cool and chill They would be like a retraction corrective or something you wouldn't just like you can't wipe it clean Well, what would what would their statement even be? Because she did plagiarize.

Would it just be like Bill's defense of her, which is that she's an introvert? Like, hey, we made neary nervous, sorry. Here's $50 million to your stupid wife that Henry Krabis is gonna manage for some stupid reason. What the fuck are you talking about? Stupid wives need the most attention. Like does Henry Krabis even know that he's involved in this?

It says, after a few days went by with no end to the tweeting in sight, an Axel Springer spokesperson told a reporter at Puck that most people underestimated the way Bill Ackman is completely losing it. It says, Ackman kept posting. he claimed the story had been planted, possibly by someone at MIT, and accused Business Insider Editor of being a known anti-Zionist with an agenda. The gladiator memes started rolling out. Ackman tried to exonerate Ackman by pointing out that the university's plagiarism policy didn't explicitly object to taking content from Wikipedia and asking if anyone besides his wife

Asking if anyone besides his wife had ever been accused of plagiarizing definitions from Wikipedia before well No, probably because I was been fucking stupid enough to do that They also just didn't have those programs like I think those came around in the 2000s where you could run over something and do Yeah, search just things. I'm sure AI will speed that up and find out about like 75% of academics are just gonna be like, holy shit. His argument is so bad because it's like,

well, they don't specifically single out Wikipedia as a thing that you can't plagiarize from. And it's like- I think that's what we're gonna do for the definition of plagiarism. It's like you're plagiarizing something that has your plagiarizing footnotes From another source, right? But it's also like there's no plagiarism

Guideline on earth that just like lists everything everything every possible book Oh like this is an airbud well, there nothing in that you didn't write this specific book down in your plagiarism policy so I could just copy and paste the entire thing. Yeah. Also, I do. It is very funny thinking of her being like, I think I found a loophole. So it says here, Ackman estimated that he had spent 110 hours or so battling the case on his wife's behalf and called one of the, when a several long posts he wrote in an attempt to exonerate Oxman, the best and

most important thing I have ever written. It's reading that quote, I am an extremely fast writer and I am powered by a profound love that is infinite. Oh my God. That's like, you do those long threads, everyone, you, everyone can tell, everyone can tell by reading you that you're, that you're just either snorting Coke or just doing Adderall like Pez. Whenever I go on Bill Ackman's timeline,

and they're not, he gets the premium Twitter, so he can write a post that's like, 50,000 words long. My computer, I have a pretty good computer. It runs even things that aren't optimized that well, pretty smoothly. The only time my computer gets hot is when I load a bill I can post. It's just too much. This says, um, Ackman, for her part, wasn't sure what to make of her husband's chivalrous

tweeting, which had drawn even more attention to the allegations. Through Ackman's spokesperson, she declined to comment for this story. Ackman wrote on X that the pressure from the Business Insider stories could have literally killed her. And that he had said the pressure from the Business Insider stories could have literally killed her. And that he had seen others commit suicide in similar circumstances. She was in a pretty dark place, Ackman told me, adding that he tried to nudge her forward toward finding a silver lining. I'm like, look, you didn't do anything wrong.

We'll get this fixed. And actually, the more negative press, the better. Once we turn this around, it'll be good for your company. Once we turn this around, like, what? Once again, she plagiarized and it's probably like, knows it and it's sort of like Let's just not talk about And it becomes a big thing on Twitter the best thing to do is just disappear for a week or two then just come back and be like

Damn I was on a crazy vacation. Yeah, so no one really cares about this I can't drive this home. Yeah, this is like when you date a guy who just gets in fights on your behalf. Because somebody like brushed you out of your sleigh. I got it. This is way too embarrassing. Nobody cares. Every fucking academic fucking plagiarism happens all the time. It's like an open secret. How was Neri?

I would love to see her suicide attempts, because, you know, she's like sticking her head in a microwave and like not knowing why it isn't turning on. Creating some elaborate Rube Goldberg device that drops a piano on her. Just having Marina Abramovic just like stab her through the chest. She's sure with arrows.

It would be like when a kid gets really mad. I'm gonna hold my breath until I die. So it goes here. He wasn't sure that the pitch had landed. There were times where she said, please don't tweet anymore. But he defended himself by pointing to memes online, suggesting that he had become a hero to wives everywhere. He is a hero to the biggest loot.

Like I am not kidding. When I say the people who are dick riding Bill Ackman all of their dads have killed themselves right not before but like now because of plagiarism scandal I have seen some of the most embarrassing shit I have ever seen I have seen like 40 40 year old men who are like Bill Ackman is like a gladiator mixed with a professor. Yeah. So he's the wife defender.

He says, a hero to wives everywhere. That's amazing. Imagine like your husband that's embarrassed you this badly. And then like his defense is, there's a meme going around that apparently I'm causing a lot of marriages to have trouble.

Like there's this one where a husband emails his wife, honey, I did the dishes and she's like big fucking deal. Did you see what Ackman's doing for his wife? Like humiliating her on a national stage? I also like that. I don't know who this lady, but this person doesn't exist. Like clearly she never planned for this to get this big. She would much rather just like, yeah,

disappear for a week, but he has like now this is all anyone thinks about when they think about her. She should be micro dosing in Ohai. This wouldn't have bothered her the first time around because again, no one cares. Yeah. No, he, he would. Because like, I mean, like I said, like I, like I hadn't seen anything from Ackman and like, like, you know, nearly it's fine.

She can plagiarize the yarn or, you know, she can build her, build her geo just like. Everyone does it. What was it? Chris, you were saying you saw some Netflix thing with her. Yeah, I watched her episode of abstract, which is actually a pretty good series about like design and various professions. And yeah, she runs a lab that's like a material science lab that actually does some like cool stuff. But all of her things, basically her job is to be the placeholder at the top of a thing. The type of person that runs this type of lab. And so all the interviews with her just like looking lovingly at glass or

for students coming up to her and being like, look, I made this and her being like, very good. That is sure is an interesting material. But the one thing that I do remember is that she made a giant installation that is basically like a giant bucky ball, like a giant geodesic dome that she got silkworms to cover in silk. That's the kind of thing that she does. That's fun. That's kind of cool. I'd like to see it.

Yeah. I mean, yeah, but it's also like, you can only do that if your husband has like $20 billion. Yeah. Like that's like something that Genghis Khan's wife would do. That's like 30, that's like the highest level of just like moms that own boutiques in Silver Lake. Yeah, like they're just bored and like their husbands just buy them make-work shops where they sell candles. Yeah, that's what all mafia front businesses got replaced by. So just to close out the article here, he says, he said strangers have continually come up to praise him for his work in the Dominican Republic at an Orthodox wedding in New

Rochelle at hotels where people leave thank-you notes with the concierge I can't walk around New York City or anywhere without people coming up to me He said I was in a restaurant two weeks ago. The whole restaurant gave me a standing ovation I asked where the restaurant was aquinan smiled, the incredibly diverse community called the Hamptons, he said. Oh my God. I like the idea. I know like he's either lying or it's just like, you know,

other idiots who are on vacation. He's lying. But I like the idea that like Dominicans like him. Like for some reason, I think he's awesome. Yeah, like they're there. They roll by his house every day, like blasting a reggaeton out of their cars, the Dominican flags on the fucking coming out of the window.

He's been invited to Domino's. Yeah. He should start like, you know, he should start wearing like those like really tight Capri pants that really Jack Dominican. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, like ultra tight polo shirt and the tightest jeans you've ever seen. Yeah.

Walking around with like a huge bowl of artificially distressed. Yeah. Just a huge bowl of Mofongo. So yeah, that's like, I mean, once again, like I would I've I had already forgotten about Bill Ackman until this beautiful, beautiful profile. God, he is ruining her life. I hope she divorces him and like sues him for so much for pain and suffering. And then she could then she just make make globes all day. Yeah, yeah.

Well, Warren Buffett will be managing the Bill Ackman settlement fund for all the wives damaged by Bill Ackman's tweeting. It's so I like I can't get the Henry Krabbus thing out of my mind. I know it's like not funny to anyone else, but it just it's so weird. Trump here right now. It's just like his wife is wonderful, but it's so weird to me. Because like I get like Henry Kravitz is 100 fucking years old. He doesn't know about this.

What is he like managing something or like what? Well, he's managing like when Axel Springer in his mind, Axel Springer is going to like give her a hundred million dollars. Right, but there's no settlement. So what's he doing? Nothing. Like there's no money there yet. This is just a placeholder thing.

They're like, when I get this money, man, you're gonna be in charge of it. Yeah. And like, why would they need like a private equity guy to like sign off on checks? Like presumably, presumed like Nereox, we've made fun of her, but presumably if she won a legal settlement, settlement, she wouldn't like, you know, buy a Ferrari and then scratchers. Like I would assume she'd at least have some idea of what to do with it. Awesome.

If she would be like an NFL player from the 70s. Yeah. She gets a fish tank that spells out her name. She buys the MC Hammer mansion and just does the exact same things. Give all of her cousin's jobs. Chris, are we out on time? We're at like one 10, one 12. All right. Cool beans.

Well, cool. So yeah, I'm gonna set Raph's set up for today's show. Good to be here in Paris, in California. And I guess I'll just use the end of the show to give a little Matt update, because obviously, yeah, like I've been seeing Matt and Amber over the last couple of days. And I just would like to show that Matt's doing great. He was cracking me up the other day. And perhaps more importantly than anything, his daughter is unbelievably cute. She is adorable. Yeah, she's got like the biggest most pinchable cheeks

Or you just you know when you see like a baby's face and you just want to Just squeeze it. Yeah, the she is she is adorable and she's also doing wonderful. So Just passing along some some good news from the mat front to everyone an axis baby as Matt is So yeah, so cheers everyone. Let's look, yeah. That doesn't, I hope you have a good week. I'm feeling great. Later. Bye anyway.

Later. But I can kiss away the pain I will stand by you forever You can take my breath away