Chapo Trap House - 830 - Vat Grown Oaf feat. Trillbillies (5/6/24)

Episode Date: May 7, 2024

Tom, Tarence and (welcome to the show!) Aaron from the Trillbillies join us for another week of horror and spectacle around the War in Gaza. We touch on the ceasefire agreement being rejected basically as we were recording, some of the clumsy NYPD PR response to last week’s Columbia raid, and the pundit class tantrum over being denied free access to interviews with protesting students. But we also have some levity, in John Fetterman’s freakout over vat meat, the Biden admin’s flaccid signaling over marijuana legalization, and Patrick Bet-David’s praise for future God-Emperor Barron. Find Trillbillies wherever you get podcasts, and subscribe here: https://www.patreon.com/trillbillyworkersparty

Ketchup packets in McDonald's are so good. Have you ever noticed that ketchup is just especially thick? It's like it's got a little sweetness in it. Yeah, because you have to work for it. You have to open the little things. You got it right. Exactly. And eat it out. Like hold on to some extra ones because you just don't know. Greetings, everybody. It's Monday, May 6. Chapman Trap House coming back at you today.

And for today's episode, Felix and I are joined by a trifecta of Southern gentlemen It's Tom Aaron and Terrence from the trailbillies gentlemen. Welcome to the show Thanks for having us boys. Yes. Thanks for having us. I guess to kick things off this week You know over the weekend the big story continues to be the ongoing protests against the war against Palestine but this morning like I guess the big story today is the news that a ceasefire deal was reached, Hamas agreed to a ceasefire deal that it's now no longer a ceasefire deal because the invasion of Raqqa is going on as we speak. And I guess I'm seeing reports in the media from Reuters and other places that are being pretty clear that like

that this ceasefire deal was not negotiated in good faith and that the cause for the collapse of the ceasefire deal is Israel. I mean, and then we even have the Saudi Foreign Ministry basically begging Israel to stop doing this and to accept the ceasefire deal. And I guess I'll just begin with like, just in terms of like the way this is going to be, the way this is already being covered in the press, like in terms of being pretty clear about who's who doesn't want a ceasefire here. I guess, like, it's hard to imagine this is some sort of turning point in like how people perceive this. But like, what do we make of this like aborted attempt at a ceasefire and like how it's likely to be covered in the media? attempt at a ceasefire and like how it's likely to be covered in the media? Well, I just want to add to that as of I think this morning after they've told

people to evacuate, evacuate Rafa, they've started bombing or in preparation for bombing it right? You know so I don't know man like it seems as if like Thomas said this before as the the oppressor, the victim, right, always has to be kind of humble, right, in their suffering, you know? Right? They're never supposed to be either militant or aggressive, right, in their resistance. So even the fact that Hamas has put forward a ceasefire, you know, I'm pretty fucking sure on the media, man, they're gonna to, I mean, they're going to cover it as like, well, they didn't really want that anyway, right? You know, this is cynical, you know what I mean? Well, I mean, like, I can imagine the way it's going to go is like, by Hamas agreeing to a ceasefire is making the end of this war impossible, because by wanting to stop this

war, they're putting Israel in a position of having to continue to fight the war. And they really don't wanna do that. Dude, there was a headline like that today, literally. I forgot what outlet it was, but the headline was basically like, I think this IDF general was saying that Hamas is making this war impossible to end because they're pursuing a ceasefire.

I'm interested to see what kind of position Fetterman's gonna contort himself into. I think that like it's interesting seeing the way that this was proposed like two or three days ago. Like I think it was over the weekend the New York Times had had an article that was essentially the you know is the gist that you've seen ad nauseam since November or October which is that just that you've seen ad nauseum since November or October, which is that Israel wants to plow ahead. Biden is, this is very unfortunate. We have to have more conversations. We have to have more strong conversations. It was interesting to see, like in that article, as this goes on, you can kind of see that what's really at stake here, honestly,

is the United States is having an increasingly difficult time laundering the idea that it is about the hostages, that it's about Hamas. I don't think Israel has to maintain that pretense. They don't really have that extra layer of obfuscation or ideological sort of mystification. They're not like bound by that same thing. Whereas the United States, they, you know... Well, because they've killed like half the hostages, you know. Exactly. It's just interesting to fast forward to this point now where like as I was reading that story, I was like, okay, I already know how this is going to go. There's no other way

that this is going to end up. Like it's just, I don like, OK, I already know how this is going to go. There's no other way that this is going to end up. It's just I don't know how many times we've seen this same playbook since November. I mean, I was thinking about this in the context of what was perhaps perceived as another turning point a couple of weeks ago. I was talking to Catherine about this over the weekend, but you guys remember it seems like a million years ago. But do you remember just from a couple of weeks ago when Israel killed all those people from the World Center kitchen Yeah

and I bring this up because like it was interesting to see the way the news media covered that in that they like very immediately like assigned a culpability to Israel for killing these people and like did not countenance any of their ridiculous like obfuscations or lies about like well You know Maybe it was a mouse who killed them and they, dude, you shot three missiles at three different cars. And that was a turning point that there were like Israeli airstrikes kill World Center kitchen workers. But the interesting thing about that is like, they all accepted what had happened.

But then there was no actual follow up in terms of what that implies. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like, it was just like, well, we all accept they did a triple tap airstrike on the aid workers that the US and Israeli government officially let into Gaza to feed people. Because I think to sort of like take that on, then they would have to conclude that Israel killed an American citizen and several other European passport holders because they were feeding people in Gaza. And as I see with this ceasefire deal,

I think they're gonna report the basic bare facts of it, but I don't think that they're going to really follow up with any sort of acceptance of what that implies. Exactly, I mean, they won't contextualize it, right? I mean, dude, we saw this with like Shireen, right? The journalist who had been killed a few years ago. These events or the hospital, right? The journalist who had been killed like a few years ago, you know. These events or the hospital, right? Which Israel said we would never bomb hospitals. And the US media, they wouldn't bomb hospitals. And then of

course, you know, the same thing with any atrocity they've committed. Months later, media outlets do their investigations, you know. Their independent investigations. And they find out that, yeah, they actually did kill these people. But I mean, all of these events are sort of atomized, you know. And they're independent investigations and they find out that yeah, they actually did kill these people But I mean all of these events are sort of atomized, you know, and they're like pulled out of historical context You know, and I don't mean I like I know that people like to point to like, you know 1948 is when this all began but like sometimes even I myself like today somebody posted like this headline that said Jewish settlers, you know, are willing, right, to kick people out of Palestine, you know, to have that land for themselves. And that was like in

1909 or something like that, you know. So I think even when we talk about this shit, like the sense of scale and historical context is lost. And I mean, I think that's on purpose man. I think that obfuscation of context, you know and Like atomizing these events is to kind of overwhelm you with atrocities to atrocity, you know without linking it all together You know what I mean? Yeah, speaking of a need to contextualize things I'm wondering if you gentlemen saw the the interview that was conducted over the weekend by Mitt Romney of saw the interview that was conducted over the weekend by Mitt Romney of Anthony Blinken, in which they state openly and very clearly that the problem with Israel's PR right now, the problem is that basically young people get their news from the internet and they see unfiltered images of this war, which creates an emotional resonance for them that is not bracketed

by the proper mediation and context. And then Mitt Romney said, of course, that's why we move so strongly to ban TikTok. Yeah, a small parenthetical point, which is some wonder why there was such overwhelming support for us to shut down potentially TikTok or other entities of that nature. If you look at the postings on TikTok and the number of mentions of Palestinians relative to other social media sites, it's overwhelmingly so among TikTok broadcasts. So I'd note that's of real interest and the president will get the chance to make action in that regard. I mean, this is, I mean, he's, what he's speaking to, he's speaking to,

he's speaking to a generation that like, is still using the landline, and they got a rotary phone at home, you know what I'm saying? The shit that you gotta like use your finger to like, you know, make calls to. I mean, that's just, I don't even know what to say about that. I'm trying to reach Klondike five, five, five, six,

Klondike. I like Romney on his way out, just, you know what I mean? Like last two weeks on the job. Just like yeah, fuck it That's why we ban tick-tock by the way I mean I don't even know dog like it I think that's like I hate to say mask off because I know that's an overused term But it really does feel like like they're just so blatant about it You know, you know to be like there's no more like pretense, right?

As to like, cause I feel like, alright, maybe before, like before October 7th, right? Any attempts, they're still talking about TikTok being like, you know, Chinese propaganda, right? But it's sort of like now they're like, nah, I mean, yeah, we are racist, you know what I mean? But we just don't want you to know anything, you know? You know what I mean? Like, we think you should be treated like the children that you are,

like when we fucking lie to you, you should just eat that slop up, you know? I was thinking about that. It's interesting you brought up the bombing, the murder of those World Kitchen employees, because I was thinking about that very quickly, because I felt the same way, like this is a sort of pivot in a

way this is a sea change or a watershed event or whatever and you had to be skeptical about it right because it's it's like you know they may appear that they're changing tact or changing some sort of sense of like what is right and wrong here or decency or whatever but in some ways I kind of feel like they're overreaction to the campus protests was their way of pivoting out of that. It's like, okay, well, maybe we got a little too out of hand there. We may have, we wrote a few too many headlines that accidentally said Israel murdered those World Aid Kitchen supporters. We got to actually go full throttle

against the college students and just turn this. Yeah, we got to beat up kids now. Yeah, we gotta turn this into a spectacle to like reverse course. We may have actually criticized them just a little bit. No, that's just so, I mean, I don't know, not to repeat myself, man, but it just feels like when you have such an unpopular, I don't even want to call it a war, right? It's a genocide, right? I guess the way that media has to work, you know, the mouthpieces of empire, you know, is that like they have to inundate you with spectacle after spectacle, you know what I'm

saying? I mean, like they're turning one of the worst atrocities, you know, of the 21st century into like this fucking MCU shit, you know what I'm saying, with new installments where every fucking week, you know what I'm saying with new installments where every fucking week, you know what I mean? It's like you're supposed to be outraged by something fucking else, you know I'm hearing reports that Columbia students have broken windows at Hamilton's Hall with Thor's hammer With millenior however, yeah Milnor or whatever the student protesters have

gained access to Milnor and we need immediate intervention by the NYPD. We need Mark Hamill to come down in whatever. Oh my God. The Millennium. I'm not going to start. Oh my God. Oh my God.

How embarrassing is that dog shit? Oh my God. Having Mark Hamill do a fucking White House press conference. And this is what they're all saying. Like, we don't have time to comment on anything else that's going on in the world. But we're going to set up the Joker, though. We can set up the Joker. Oh, my God.

I hate that motherfucker. I wanted to. I can't even repeat what he said, but you know what I'm thinking? What he called Joe Biden. What did he call me? What did he call Joe? Yeah, what? I don't even want to say it.

He said, Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. I can't remember. He said, Joe, he said, Joe, did he go on May the fourth or whatever? Did he do like May the fourth? It was me. I know. Yeah, that was like the whole reason they did that video. I would have loved to have been the staffer that explains

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But it seemed like they only had him there to do like something that was from an XKCG strip in 2001. But but Felix did you see that? Did you see that like he had done this stream with like, okay, I don't know if it was as off battalion, but I mean it was this right wing faction of the Ukrainian army. And like people pointed this out. One of the guys on his screen, there was like a flag with, of course, like it was in the swastika, but it was something

like that. You know what I mean? I mean, like, like I don't critique other fandoms. Like, I don't critique other fandoms. Like, honestly, like after all of this, it's just like whatever they ever since I saw that video in Ukraine, where like it was the as of guys and then the really like some of the most Jewish people we have ever seen. And they were like, uh, they were dancing. I was like, well, I don't know. Like maybe they figured it out. I, you know, like that's your business. I've just, I think I like my, my heart has been, has been moved

because I've seen a bunch of people who have like all the Ukraine stuff in their bio. Like they are they, you know, just like the names of individual weapons systems and like all the stuff I've seen them like yell at Joe Biden enough on Twitter that I'm like, Hey, you know, do what you want. Except for Mark Hamill. He's not a good member of that fandom. Of course.

But not sending the best. Yeah. You know, I'm not throwing for a side in that conflict obvious i'm just saying like whoever whoever put out the most recent video where they're dancing with jewish people i'll be kind to be culturally sensitive let's see where that goes. They really looked like they were having a great time. All of them. Well, to return to Aaron, to return to something you said a little bit earlier about how like we need to be sort of inundated with spectacle after spectacle to like, you know, basically, keep people, you know, just like keep the conversation focused on anything other than the mass graves that keep turning up in Gaza. But like my favorite spectacle from over the weekend was due to the like fallout from the police raid of Columbia.

Did you guys see like some, some like comms person for the NYPD going on Newsmax and sharing evidence of what they found in Hamilton hall. And he was holding it up for the camera a copy of the Oxford University Press a very short introduction edition of it I said a very short introduction to terrorism and he was like this is what this is what our students are learning like and then like just like I've seen so much stuff from the NYPD over the weekend like from their Twitter accounts being like someone is radicalizing our students and we need to find out who it's like. Aren't you like, aren't you just going to stop?

Like, I mean, could you could you just arrest some people for beating the fair on the subway, please? Like, well, what go back to it and go back to doing other shit you used to do? What concern is it to you what's being taught at Columbia University? And it's like, that's not a crime, dude. I saw I saw like the account for the guy who's like head of patrol who like. Yeah, that's the guy. You know, I didn't agree with Rabbi Ovadia when he said Gentile for cattle.

I said that was wrong to say. But then I saw this guy, the head of NYPD patrol. And like, let me just say, if you were a bear, this guy would be incredible to eat. It would be like just catching a caged veal. It would just be amazing. You know, uh, NY why can't you be chief of patrol? Um, John Chell, John Chell, John Chell. That even sounds like, you know, some like a buy cow by product. It really does. It sounds like the shit that baby collects.

You know what I mean? And the, and like, like fat, the slaughterhouse sluice of just the runoff. Big slime. So he said, good evening from NYC to Chicago and I'm sure a few other cities. Who is funding this? What is happening? There is an unknown entity that is radicalizing our vulnerable students, taking advantage of their young minds. As parents and Americans, we must demand answers.

I can't speak for the rest of America, but at NYC we will find out. We will broadcast what we find. We will use the might of our intelligence bureau and our federal partners to quite simply connect the dots, follow the money. It's just like, I just hate the idea of like any cop, but especially like New York cops being like, this isn't a safe space for Jewish voices. Why are you trying to get rid of Hillel? Where can they go for Seder?

It's like shut up man. They've got like the Cambridge short introduction of like Freud or something. They're just reaching a little too shallow with the terrorism one. You need like a short introduction of Freud or Buddhist ethics or something. From New York to Chicago, psychology students are being taught that all boys want to have sex with their mother. I don't know about you, but that's not the values in New York City or Chicago. It's just, bro, it's just really funny to think that these like dumb motherfuckers who like have the collective intelligence of like a thousand apes playing

candy crush or some shit like that, you know what I mean? Like that these motherfuckers like really would pick up hold of that book You know what I mean and present it I would dare you to open up that book and point to any word or any sentence and tell me what that means You have no idea. What's your fucking doing? Just the idea that like if you wanted to get into terrorism, you'd be like, oh I should like go to the library I got to get a good foundation before we start making bombs. It's the exact same thing that the IDF was doing with like children's homes with like books about Hitler. It's just like, yeah, that's my story.

Yeah. I mean, if anyone has any doubts about the close relationship between the Intelligence Bureau, the NYPD and the IDF, just look at their fucking media tactics. They had some goober trots out there. Someone told him about the pedagogy at Columbia and he thought he was talking about Drake. I gotta say, Deputy Commissioner Chell, but as long as you're talking about other bovine Americans who should be walking around with a fucking bell on their neck, I gotta say, Deputy Commissioner Chell, but as long as you're talking about other Bovine

Americans who should be walking around with a fucking bell on their neck, let's talk about John Fenderman. Oh, yes. Because this guy, I mean, obviously, his comments on Palestinians and college students, we can leave that aside for the minute. But why is this guy, why is he putting putting lab grown meat in his crosshairs now? I'm like, Felix, I loved your point where he was like, he posted a photo of like the lab equipment that makes this lab grown meat.

And he's just like, this is the goo they're trying to feed your kids. And then you posted like something that looks identical that creates Prozac. It's just the lab that creates Prozac. It's just the lab that creates Prozac. It's just like, it's such a like, villager opinion. Like it's like, it's just like, he's so much like one of the guys who like, tries to kill the witcher and gets struck down in one hit. He just sees any device and he's like, whoa, get it out of here you

don't you know our boss we have said you're bossy with this Arthur C. Clarke quote that any sufficiently advanced technology would appear to magic he's like literally talking about something that is probably used in the manufacturing of any fucking thing you know I mean in this country you know I mean it was just a really big tube He saw a really big tube, and he's like there's no telling what's going on in this We've got to get this away from our kids this this man is not consumed to calorie in his life It didn't come from a can or from like a fucking stove for Salisbury state dinner

He's like I would feed that shit to my kids That piss me off so much. And he's like, I would feed that shit to my kids. That pisses me off so much, too, because it's like, OK, like, are we really putting like a American agribusiness made meat on the other side of slop? Yeah, it's like, yeah, yeah. So I like food in the world. Well, he might as well. That's like that's like to me is like, so what you're doing defending, and

I guess Ron DeSantis too, is you're defending the mass industrialization of slaughter. Well, I mean they're doing that in every other aspect of it. Exactly, exactly. Well, exactly. I mean, that would be going like, I'm a smoker, but that would be going like to the Marlboro factory with a smokestack, is a a big ass cigarette and pointing with your finger behind that, you know what I'm saying? And being like, yeah, it comes up, you know what I mean?

Like this is, we need to improve this industry to hire more workers for the baby killing factory. Yeah, he's just sort of crusading against lab produced Prozac and antidepressants. Yeah, like, he's, you know, obviously like doing the thing Yeah, like all the he's, you know, obviously like doing the thing where he likes getting credit from, I guess all the DeSantis dead enders, like all the people like that, who are like still on Twitter. But like, you know, there's a limit.

I think like you can you can say like terrible shit about immigrants in America and like no one will really like ding you if you're a Democrat. People will be like, oh, he's smart. He's doing popularism. But when you start taking on like all the other shit, even though it's like, you know, just on a moral balance, like, you know, not as bad to come out against Beyond Burger as it is to maybe come out against like, you know, people who are fleeing for their lives. It's just it's just so like, it's so transparent that like, even the dumbest people

are like, Okay, we can see what you're doing. It's not an issue, man. I mean, it's only an issue. If you are like, I mean, it's literally like a partisan issue in the sense that like, I don't it's literally like a partisan issue in the sense that like, I don't know, it just reminds me of climate change, you know, I mean, just like a denial, right? Of like, not even a denial of science, you know, I don't even say it's a denial of science because I don't know if the people that like, don't give a shit about Beyond Meat think that it's healthy or for you. But it's obviously like a dog whistle, you know, like this, this very

transparent shift and change to the right to oppose any sort of amelioration of suffering. I don't fucking know. This is something I have noticed about the Libs. They they love dog whistles now. Like, I mean, I guess they've always probably done it to a certain extent. But like every single thing that they use now, like I've been we've been talking about this on the show for months. single thing that they use now. Like I've been we've been talking about this on the show for months. But have you all heard of this book called White Rural Rage

by these two guys? They're they're like they're three times fast. Yeah, they're like MSNBC like guys. Their whole thing is that like people in the rural areas are all stupid as shit. We need to put them in gulags and like exterminate them. It's a very it's a very innovative. Tell me I would like to know more. Yes, yes, exactly.

I gotta hear both sides here. It's a very innovative take, I have to say. I've never seen anyone say this and I have to give them points for that because they finally came out and said it. But that whole book is like dog whistles, man. It's all about how people in rural America, they're taking all of our resources.

They use the welfare queen stuff of like the Reagan years and they apply it to people. It's basically JD Vance's whole thing with Hillbilly Elegy, but they've put a liberal sheen on it. And I feel like Fetterman's doing very much the same thing. It makes a lot of sense. I've met a lot of Fetterman guys like Fetterman's in my life, like guys at the local municipal level who like position themselves as like progressive liberal guys

and who are trying to get like breweries and yeah, you know, that kind of stuff to your to your town. Just don't show John Federman like the equipment used to produce beer at a brewery. It's very frightening. It's a lot of giant steel drums. Bro, I have more respect for Joe Biden when he saw the IBM quantum computer. And like somebody had a tweet that was like, this is me at 12 a.m. Licking like the hot dogs. You know what I'm saying? And like a quick trip or some shit like that.

I have more respect for that because that's amazing. You know what I mean? I mean, that's a quantum computer dog. I love I make a big game like I I know science do not know that shit, but it's cool But you're just talking about like I mean just what looks like could be in a guy's garage You know what I'm saying? Who's a tinkerer? You know what I mean? Yeah, this is offensive, right? Yeah It's just such a weird move for Federman to make like these broad cultural gestures to a type of like sort of consensus, common sense, cultural conservatism, because it's like, okay, everything I knew about this guy during the senatorial election before that, it's like,

this is a guy that only exists in democratic circles. Like, you know, both his parents worked for like Dow Chemical Bank and he's, you know, the classic story where it's like, a kid is smoking weed out of seven up cans until he's like 28. And then he, you know, one of his idiot friends dies in a swimming hole. And he's like, Oh, I've got to get my life together. I'm doing Teach for America 34. He does that like he's he's only worked for like NGOs and shit like that. You know, peace for parents made for everything. They bought him a house when he was like 47 which is like crazy I'm sorry I and then like now he's like I'm just a good old-fashioned good boy I like a regular

pig no devices for me and it's like you you did had not heard a radio station that wasn't NPR until you were like 39 Like I just so don't believe you I Mean like whether it's better men or the NYPD comes department like we turn back again to this idea of like There's something radicalizing these students There's some sort of like foreign influence that's gotten into their brain and made them hate Israel. And like, I even love the language from, you know, Deputy Commissioner Chell or head of the patrol division.

He says, there's an unknown entity, you know, sort of like radicalizing students. We need to expose that entity. A self-learning, truth-eating digital parasite. that entity. A self learning, truth eating digital parasite. That I said, yeah, it's not unknown entity, it's designist entity, and they're good ally, Joe Biden that was radicalizing these kids. And it once again, it comes back to this idea that like, it's never the thing that's actually happening. It's

like, and her permit Romney and Anthony Blinken's comments, it can never just be that they are mad about us policy supporting this awful genocide. No, it's just that they're getting information that's irresponsible or they're having an emotional reaction to seeing all these people killed. But I just want to say, I would love someone to ask Anthony Blinken, like, okay, yeah, you see these horrible images of human suffering and misery on a scale that is just previously unimaginable. You feel you have an emotional reaction to it. But like what's the what's then what then is the responsible thing to do? Like what do you want? Like what's the context that you now want to like to be imbued to these people who are having an emotional reaction to this horrible violence?

But you know what? Well, I'll even put this on, man. So we've been seeing this hysteria, right? This fake hysteria from a journalist who are saying why won't these students talk to me? Why won't they talk to me? Right? Yeah, it's like well one because every time that they fucking do you twist their words but even when I mentioned this on the show there was a there was a one reporter who went to the Columbia encampment and there was actually a student who was designated to talk to reporters and the student did their due diligence right I mean you shouldn't even talk to these fucking people it's the same thing with cops just don't talk to them right but explained right why they were out here and in the report right in the final article that this reporter wrote they said uh they spoke at length and nuance, right? So even when they tell you what they're saying, you don't fucking write it down.

Right. So these people are not, it's so, I mean, you know, not, not to repeat like a hack point, you know, everyone knows this, but I have to, it bears repeating though. They're so fucking disingenuous. Right. Because they go in there pretending as that they don't know why people are out here, you know what I mean? They're pretending as if they don't know why people are out here. You know what I mean? They're pretending as if they don't understand the outrage, you know,

so that they can use that lens to warp. Right. In actual conversation, obfuscate it, you know what I mean? To feed it back to people, to make people think that you're a bigot. Right. For a stand against genocide. You know what I mean? Yeah. Aaron, you're referring to Michael Powell of IDF, Jeff's, the Atlantic. And they sent him to Colombia and they spend like, you know referring to Michael Powell of IDF Jeff's The Atlantic, and they sent him to Columbia. And they spent like, you know, he did speak at length to the designated spokesman, spokesperson,

who is a woman who told him that it's worse than like, that it gets worse. Because not only did he not quote her, he just said, oh, well, she spoke at length and in a nuanced way. I'm not going to, you know, actually directly quote her. But then he said that, like, she told him that she had family who were killed in an IDF bombing in Gaza. And the way he wrote it in the article is he said that she had family who died in the fighting in Gaza to make it sound like they were like combatants or something like that. And she was like, no, like they're... So like, I'm glad you brought this up because

the next thing I wanted to get to today is Have you boys been following the latest in the Theo Baker saga? Oh What did you call him well you called him bitch made is what you said Yeah, no, I replied to his father Peter who was lamenting about the fact that no Columbia protesters wanted to talk to fucking Peggy Noonan, Peggy drunk by Noonan, glug, glug, glug, and I suggested to Peter that the protesters would do better to talk to his bitch-made son. Now, this is, this is, um, Peter Baker was quoting, like, was, was, screen-shotted Peggy Noonan writing in the Wall Street Journal and he said, and he wrote, when protests are not actually about explaining your cause or trying to engage journalists who are there to listen Peggy Noonan describes her visit to Columbia before the raid and

What Peggy did is is that like, you know She tries her best to make it sound like there's something sinister going on where she was just like they're like she tries so she's sitting on a bench and she tries to get these two students to like engage her. And they just say like, oh, like, I'm sorry, I'm not, I'm not media trained. And then she said, then she says to them, oh, don't worry, I'm barely trained myself. And then they like, they were like, sorry, walk on. They were like, then she says they conform. But like, she's admitting to lying to them. She's admitting, she's been an op-ed columnist for the last 40 fucking years.

So for her to tell these students like, oh, I'm barely, I'm barely, I'm not really in the media. She's admitted she's been an op-ed columnist for the last 40 fucking years. So for her to tell these students like, oh, I'm barely I'm there. I'm not really in the media. Like I'm just here. I'm just talking to you. But this idea that like they have, it's like it's the journalist's job to get sources to talk to you. Right.

And if like they're blackballing you, then like that's your job to get around that or like establish a trust so that they will talk to you. But they're just getting mad. They're saying like, this is so this is totalitarian or conformists or whatever, and that they're just not these protesters are not doing their job for them. Bro, bro, well, you know what they're about to start doing, son? They're about to start being saboteurs. You know what I'm saying?

I think they're going to start coming there, you know what I mean? With like with the keffiyehs and shit like that. You know, they're trying to try to like, they're trying to be like, no, I'm one of you. How do you do with fellow freedom it? How do you do it? Fellow genocide denier? It's just it's if you're if you're so repellent and non charming that you can't get a fucking like 20 year old to just open up to you about their thoughts and feelings, like maybe try a different profession.

Like it might take you know, it's sitting on a park mesh smell like gin. Just like that. I'm going to take you know, it's sitting on a park miss smell like Jim Way where it's like anyone with stranger danger training Get away from me this weird woman is trying to buy me That you grew up with your whole life. Don't talk to strangers. Don't talk to the weird lady. You know what I'm saying? I would have like, how was that supposed to go?

Like a fucking 19 year old walks by the bench and it's like, Piggy Noonan, the Reagan speechwriter? Yes, I have time for you. Peggy Noonan, the Reagan speechwriter? Yes, I have time for you. Peter Baker, Theo's father, New York Times journalist. The funniest thing about Peter Baker is one of his most famous things that people know know about him is like a he like he was a scab during the New York Times like the Times writers like a union drive He was opposed to that but also Peter Baker famously Advertises the fact that he does not vote in elections because he feels it would tar his you know

Professional life as an objective journal in mind. So hold up. Hold up. Hold up. That's okay for him mind. So hold up. Hold up. Hold up. That's OK for him. What I say I'm not voting for this guy. Fuck out of here, dog. I need a New York Times. Yeah, yeah. No, I'm just remaining objective in this election. Yeah, I'm remaining objective and then I don't care who wins it. I'm just doing what Peter Baker does. But anyway, so basically a professor at Stanford named Hakeem Jefferson

co-tweeted Peter Baker and he said, it's interesting to see when journalists lean into objectivity and when those commitments fall away. I've consumed a lot of media regarding protests in recent weeks and one of the most striking bits has been the near universal willingness to speak derisively about protesters. So, and then like basically this guy is one of Theo Baker's professors at Stanford from what I gather. And then Theo Baker, Peter's son, is immediately in this guy's reply saying, not sure you understand what objectivity means, Hakeem. This is a ridiculous tweet and I urge you to delete it. And then Hakeem Jeffries really literally just like published the receipts of Theo's emails to him where he's just like he's

he's literally demanding that his professor delete tweets because it's like not a good look bro like yeah and he was basically like you need to delete this before dad sees it he is going to be furious You've no idea the hell Peter Baker can bring on you. Oh my, yeah. Peter Baker is like the Tamerlane to Grubhub drivers on the West Side. He's a scourge, a terrifying man. Peter Baker rerouted the East River to a race, particularly rude delivery drivers. Please.

Yeah. Any grub up driver taller than a wagon wheel, he just cut their limbs off. Builds like a motor around his house with crocodiles and do some shit. And, you know, as far as objectivity goes, shout out to John Schwartz, who pointed this out to me, objective reporter Theo Baker, Wonder Kid, Jimmy Olsen of Stanford University, was, you know, in the weeks after October 7th was, you know, loudly and proudly circulating the 40 beheaded babies claim over and over again and has not made any comments since then after it's been debunked thoroughly.

But no mention of his role. Yeah. By the way, right before we recorded the New York Times just got awarded like a Pulitzer Prize award for international reporting for 2023 or something like that. Bro, it's like the White House corresponds to dinner. Like last week was that like two. Yeah. You know what I mean? I mean, it really feels like sometimes like they're like they're like they're fucking with us. You know what I mean?

Like like sometimes the contradictions that exist, you know, and the way they exist that they do, I've said it. I've said it on the pod before. Like, I don't understand how these people don't walk around and the contradictions don't cause them to like Immediately just blow up. You know what I'm saying? I think I fact that you can like, you know Go ahead honestly a lot of this kind of became clear for me and I don't know if you'd plan to talk about this will but a lot of

It kind of became clear to me when I saw that Zadie Smith thing in the New Yorker this weekend I just pulled that shit up to I go ahead Terrence. I don't know what I'm gonna say man Good, I don't I don't know what I'm just gonna say, man. Go ahead. I don't know anything about dating. She's about to lose some more teeth. I don't know. Shout out to Andrea Longchou for that joke.

Yeah, I don't know anything about her other than that she's been on the bookshelf of every person I've ever dated. And so, I don't know if that her other than that. She's been on the bookshelf of every person I've ever dated. And so I, and I don't know if that's a positive thing or a negative thing, but, um, I've told so many, I've told so many lies about reading her work. I did the same thing. I was like, I love Zaddy Smith. That's the thing that Brett Gellman calls himself, right?

Call me Zadie. Like, like for real though, the reason why I so like I just want to point out people like her, people like Jeanine Perrine or whatever, the White House spokeswoman, whoever it was, whoever black person was that voted against this UN resolution, like all of these people. The UN ambassador, yeah. Ambassador, right. Yeah, exactly. All of these people, man. Zadie Smith is this kind of perfect encapsulation of representation in literature, media, right?

Instead of like actually like engaging with political issues, you know? I don't know, man, like I love literature and I think about people like Ursula K. Le Guin, you know? And I think about like what, if she was alive, what she would have to say about the shit. And I just have to say, there were so many writers, you know, who I like love Zadie Smith work.

I mean, my parents from Jamaica. So I saw characters in white teeth that I often didn't see in other shit that I'd read, you know? And just the fact that these people, like I just want to read this quote, man, from the piece that she wrote, man, because it's like this perfect example of just gibberish, like to create this sort of mythical nuance that isn't really there,

right? She said, quote, Israel-Palestine is in fact perhaps the most acute example in the world of the use of words to justify bloody murder, to flatten and erase unbelievably labyrinthine histories, and to deliver the atavistic pleasure of violent simplicity to the many people who seem to believe that merely by saying something they make it so and I'm just saying like what the fuck are you talking about that friend is the wages of the MFA program? The last part is so funny to me because it's just like aren't you a writer Is it your job clarity? You know what I'm saying? And to be incisive and not to actually weaponize language to confuse people.

Well, I mean, not just that, but the part where she's like, oh, they think by saying things they can make it so. They think that if they say their opinions, they're true because they believe in them. And it's like, yeah, that's sort of been the case for like the entire history of language. Yeah. People generally believe the things that they they say. It reminds me exactly of the same like seemingly profound but actually complete drivel that like Nate Silver, like his comments last week about like, you know, most people form their political beliefs based on like the culture community and people around them rather than like first principles or reason. And it's just

sort of like, wow, no shit, dude. Thanks for that. Exactly. But like, I saw something like Aaron, to your point, though, I saw Ocita Nueva, a friend of the show, he posted something about this that like he wrote recently you know a while ago that like about the Zadie Smith thing where it's just sort of like as a writer like your job is to like say what's true right and I think so many writers just get in this like trap of like oh like the truth like you can't simply it can't possibly be that simple and that the idea that they're always expecting to be rewarded for I don't know like comp, you know finding complexity and like, you know, obviously like there is complexity in everything

But like it's just like it's an obvious dodge when people Pretend that like oh like, you know, there's a lot of good reasons to be wrong About you know, like the consequential issues of our time or like there's a lot of good reasons to be wrong about, you know, like the consequential issues of our time or like there's a lot of reasons to be a pussy and a coward. Yeah, yeah. There are so many pitfalls to being right to stridently. It's the thing is, is I genuinely have to see her comments. And I mean, it's not even subtext.

It's literally in the article, but it is a response to the protesting students So I have to almost think of it as like her saying like the students have gotten too smart They've learned too much and they're now bandying about Like they're now banding about terms like settler colonialism and the thing is and we've talked about this on the show I mean the whole concept of settler colonialism. there's been like a whole moral panic over it. You've seen no less than like 20 think pieces a week from the Atlantic and New Yorker and New York Times about it. It was even used against Drake and the beef.

It was getting far. Yeah, Kendrick was like, yo, I'm tapping in, yo, I got you. Yeah. The thing is, it's like, I'm not in, yo, I got you. Yeah. The thing is, it's like I'm not here to really argue the merits of the whole framework and concept in and of itself because I don't even really know what it is. However, I do have to say like what I think so many people find so alarming and what they hate about it so much is that it among all the ideas and frameworks, ideologies on the table, is really the only one I've seen that hints at a future, just that there would be a future

where any of this stopped, that there would be some way forward out of this, that we're not just recycling through the past and repeating all of our past mistakes. The fact that it just has even a hint of a future. People are like, oh, get it away from me. I don't want to fuck you. Anything to do with it. And then they have to immediately just slander it. And you know what I'm saying? It's people who should know better too, obviously, like Zadie Smith. Like she's not an idiot. She's not an idiot. She's not an imbecile.

Yeah. No, no. Terrence, Terrence, that's such a good point, yo, because like we've talked about it on the show, man, about like why this is such like, you've mentioned such a hinge issue that everything kind of circles around that seems to be like the main contradiction right now. And like, I do think it has to deal with like a future, right? Like, I don't know, man, I think a lot about like, you know, my family being from Jamaica, like sort of in the 60s and 70s, all of these formerly colonized countries, right, and Latin America, and Caribbean, especially, and across Asia, who were throwing off the shackles of their imperialism, right?

And sort of like, this mean that they had to create like a new flag and a new like, a new like cultural, like a song, you know what I'm saying? Like a new anthem and all of these like, I don't know, I guess to say like these sort of like almost- Community building projects. Yeah. Yes. Yes, Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Community building projects, but also like a renewal, you know?

Yeah. And like, I think that to indict, then indict Israel, right, would be to indict the United States. And they can't allow that future. They can't allow that window, right? That aperture of what a post-colonial future looks like, whatever that may mean to you, right? But it certainly doesn't mean like bombing the shit out of a captive populace and using that technology to bring back home, to prey upon marginalized communities. You know what I mean? Yeah. And like, whether it's, whether it's Zadie who went to Cambridge or Theo who goes to Stanford or like, you know, any of the people, you know, like Ney saying,

what's going on at Columbia is like, you know, a Columbia graduate, like, you know, blah, blah, blah. Like, I don't like them breaking windows. But the point is, like, to go to an Ivy League or like an elite academic institution, like the ones I mentioned, it's like, obviously the goal is they want you to be a smart, well-informed, politically engaged global citizen. They want you to be, like, you know,

to speak passionately about the things you care about. But like, what they really want is to educate you to be just dumb enough, you to be like, you know, to speak passionately about the things you care about. But like, what they really want is to educate you to be just dumb enough, or rather, like, to educate you to be smart enough to like to know where the guardrails are. And to be like to have to find intelligent ways to say give voice to incredibly stupid opinions. And like, and I think what they're seeing now is this frustration, this frustration, that like you said, like these

kids have taken these kids have taken the essential, what they were told were their values and the mission of an institution like Columbia, they've taken it too seriously. And now they need to be disciplined. Rob Markman Yeah, it was cool though when they were doing climate stuff, right? You know what I'm saying? That was that climate day of action when students walked out, right? It was even cool to some extent, right, with the Democratic Party, enough that they could

co-opt the message and subsume it, right, with Black Lives Matter, you know what I'm saying? But when it comes to something where, like, I'm saying, when I went to the DC Rally Dog, and it was 500,000 people there, I don't think all those people are communists, right? I don't think all those people, those people, like like most of those people probably vote for Joe Biden, right? But the fact that so many people are becoming Conscious right to this country's position and role in the world and the shit that we fund and do you know what I'm saying? That's reflected in this in Israel, you know, I don't know man. I think I mean, I hope that's a paradigm shift, you know

Oh, I I think you're completely right. I think that really since October, a lot of the cause of anguish among like a Zionist and, you know, their their allies in the American security state. It hasn't so much been the fact that there are protests. It's been that they they have this incredibly broad appeal with all types of people from all avenues of life across various socioeconomic categories. That if these protests and the ones last year

that we saw in almost every major American city, if they had been attended by like a quarter of the amount of people, we would not be seeing any of this shit. Maybe here and there we would see like a forward article that's like the new crystal knocked on campus, but like in normal publications, they like mostly wouldn't be having this crisis moment. But like, you know, this is obviously a loaded term, right? But seeing normal people, more or less, that is to say, you know, people who maybe weren't engaged with this before, and this is the first time that they're really learning about this, engage with it is like a major crisis point for all of this.

Just to follow up on I feel like some of you said about like quote unquote normal people demonstrating on behalf of Palestine and being against Israel. I got to say I got I'd like to give a shout out to some not normal people you know Contra, Contra Zadie. Real freaks, Contra, Zadie and Theo Baker. I had to give like Chapo honor roll to like over the past week. I've seen several of our former ops posting like their black September. And I just got to give a special shout out to Lea McElrath,

the Beto Cavs, Cripps Lady, Angry Black Lady and Terrell Star are all going hard against Biden and for Palestine right now. And I'm just like, where did this come from? OK, OK. He's losing. If he is losing those people, it is really bad for him. What I saw that he lost the Cav Cramps lady, that is like it's like it's like if Will. I am was like, I don't like Obama anymore.

It's so crazy. Yeah, and Kalman quits the Hillary Clinton campaign. But yeah, yeah, no, yeah, in the spirit of reconciliation, you know, much respect to them. Yeah, I mean, I've been trying to be a little bit more a little bit more positive you know nowadays because this shit is bleak as fuck you know what I mean but uh I think at least like my mom for example I always use as a barometer you know um my mom and a lot of people unequivocally are like this is fucked up

but the issue is that I don't like if we're talking like electorally you know what I mean like if we even want like electorally, you know what I mean? Like if we want to get in that conversation, which is a whole nother thing, like, I don't know if this is enough to like prevent those people for voting for Biden. Like, I think that noncommitted vote, the power in that vote is a lot. You know, that means a lot. That means that says to people like, yo, we won't vote for you no matter what. You know what I'm saying? I got one more thing on Biden and will people vote for him? Now I love this story because like in New York State, we saw like the exact we saw this

playbook being run like two years ago. But I'm talking about this Los Angeles Times headline, Biden's big move on marijuana. Will voters give him credit? And it says for the past decade, a huge gap has separated marijuana policies Americans want from the ones the federal government enforces. Few issues exist on which the gap has been wider and more consistent. The Biden administration soon will take a big step forward, bringing federal policy on weed more in line with what the public says it prefers. That's the way democracy is supposed to work. And politics as in show

business give the people what they want is a pretty reliable guide to success. So like, yeah, there's been some indication that Biden will like, I don't know, like, I don't know, de-schedule marijuana or like, as you said, like, have something some more liberal drug legalization regime here. But I just love, I love him that sort of like, yes, this is the way democracy is supposed to work. Give people what they want. Yeah, no, not ending this horrible genocide we're having. But have some weed. First of all, dog, nigga, I've been smoking weed nonstop for the past seven months, man. It don't matter if that shit is legal, bro. I don't give a fuck at this point. I cannot raw dog reality right now, bro. But we talked about this on the show. Tom, this is something you brought up. The way they throw out these, like running up to the election, especially

when they're in the shitter, but they do this all the time. They just thought this piecemeal shit, you know what I'm saying? They throw out shit, especially domestically to like, I mean, that's the theme of this whole conversation really to like distract you. You know what I mean? And it's like, I don't know, man. It's like, didn't he do something with weed where he said that if you were locked up for like nonviolent drug offenses, but it didn't apply to migrants It didn't apply to people wouldn't citizens, you know, so even if he does this shit It's always it always has copyouts to it. It doesn't it doesn't distract the fact that there were Over 34,000 people dead. You know, I mean, yeah, I think Well, first of all, first of all, I just want to say like in the polling

I was telling some people this weekend like I know, I know Trump is ahead in the polls right now, but like there's a lot of stuff packed into those polls that you are not going to necessarily disaggregate. Like for example, when I talked to my conservative family members, they're like, it's kind of whiplash because I get on Twitter and people are like, Trump's going to win Trump 2.0. But then I talked to my family members and they're like, Biden's going to win. Like there's no, there's no way. Like, what do you, what do you mean? Like, you know, tell me,

walk me through this and they're like, well, he's just going to, Biden's just going to steal it again. It's like, oh, okay. Like you've lost faith in the electoral process. Interesting. Interesting, brother. Oh yeah, brother. It's kind of, it's it's it's so there's some interesting things there that I I have said for months now, I think the worst possible outcome would be Biden winning. I don't. And so that's why I think he probably will win. And yeah, I just I do feel and I have felt this for a while now. We've talked about it on the show, but like, I do feel like very much that the liberals have finally completed their encirclement of the Trump forces. Like, I've been thinking about this for a while, like Larry Summers

coming out a few years ago and saying that we need to like restore a family wage, like the family forwardest wage and this kind of stuff. Like they really did see Trump is such a shock. Like they really saw him as such a aberration both culturally and economically that they were really like intent on encircling him on pretty much every affront. And so whether it came from Israel-Palestine to the border or even the economy, they were willing to co-opt all of the Trump platforms. And you know, I even saw someone today, I think it was like Jeet here, I don't have, I don't know the guy, I don't have any feelings about him one way or the other, but he had, quote, tweeted something about how Biden people were very obviously putting out signals that they were trying to capture those heartlanders who were disaffected by Dobbs.

They were they voted for Trump the first time, but not going to vote for him again. And Jeet was like, well, it's a bold strategy. We'll see how it pans out for them. And I kind of think it will pan out for them. I think this has been their whole strategy since October 8th. I think that to me, and I could be wrong, but I do very much feel like they have been trying to pander to that crowd. Once they got Dobbs in their back pocket, they knew that that was their sort of get out of jail free card. That shored them up.

And again, who knows? We've all been sitting around for months trying to understand their complete obstinance on this because it doesn't even fully make sense, even if you don't take into account that they don't see Palestinians as humans, because they don't. But even then, I don't know. It's just a... It's like, why are you... Well, we've talked about on the show, it's like you're anchoring yourself,

Israel as this Cronenbergian mass flesh creature, you know what I'm saying? That is like dying, right? It's not even supposed to have lived as long as it did. You know what I mean? You know, I mean supposed to live 24 hours It's it's it's Brendal fly in the final Grabbing the shotgun and just putting it Actually, I'll kill all of you and the fact that we're like like this country is anchoring itself to that I mean we've talked about in the show, right?

Maybe there are a lot of, uh, whether economic relationships or cultural relationships or just the fact that, yeah, this is a product of settler colonialism, right? Well, indict Israel would be to indict the United States, you know, I listen, I listened to y'all's episode with Riley fromuture last week. And as I was listening to this, I was like, man, I mean, because if it is true, like Keir Starmer is the future right of the UK, it's like for years everybody was like Star Trek sounding name. And for years everybody was like, oh, you know, the future is right wing, right? It's these right wing populist movements. It's Trump, it's Le Pen, it's Orban, it's all this. But what if the more terrifying future is that the future is liberal?

They put they they managed to like put this liberal, like very sort of technocratic, like able administrative face on this. And I mean, that that is a very tough pill for a lot of people to swallow, even myself included, someone who's like, you know, radical leftists and all this. It's hard to to to deal with. I don't I I kind of I tend to believe that it's like the future is both in the sense that we're going to see like, you know, each share a generation both sort of hobbling towards the finish line. Like, yeah, I definitely agree that like,

you know, liberal forces in America, especially if like encircled Trump and, you know, have outflanked him on many things and Trump has, you know, even with his advantages going into this, his innate disadvantage is that he's already a known quantity. People have already experienced it. That's the worst thing that he can have

going for him electorally. He cannot run as an outsider quite in the same way and he cannot, you know, people like to forget this, but when he won, he won because the majority of voters saw him as the moderate choice. And that probably will not be the case this time. But I think both are uniquely skilled at sort of handicapping and encircling the other.

But this era of governing America is so, it's like being the mayor of a big city. Your job is just to get yelled at at this point. The fun's over for the most part. And I'm no more a believer in like a permanent, like, cure starmerization of future politics than I am of, or than I was of like a Trumpification of all politics than I am of, or than I was of like a Trumpification of all politics

in like 2017. I think just both are so feeble, yet there are so few other options at the moment, then it's just they're going to trade off like one term presidencies for a long time. Okay, gentlemen, gentlemen, you say like these are our two possible features. They look pretty bleak doesn't seem like there's a third option. I would like to close out today by sharing with you a possible third future, a possible a possible future that we could have. And before I do, before I before I share this with you, Tom, Aaron, Terrence, are you familiar

with Patrick bet David? Oh, no. Tom, Aaron, Terrence, are you familiar with Patrick bet David? Oh, man. Oh, yeah. What is the most? The most. How the hell is he not Israeli guy that ever lived? Yeah, I was going to say, like, you know, if you guys thought this guy was Israeli, you know, forgiven, because I thought that Patrick bet David and he owns the channel called Infotainment and he's not as rally. How could it be? He kind of organizes like the the the verses for mafia turncoats, right? Yeah, yeah. Patrick. Yeah. Patrick bet David, anyone who like anyone where like Vlad TV is like,

I think this guy's lying about being in the mafia. Someone who doesn't quite eat Vlad standards. Patrick, but David is like, I'll have them on. Like whenever you see a guy who's like, who's like wearing a rumpled suit and he's like, I killed 480 people for the mob. He does a lot of that and business interviews. He'll talk to a 23-year-old who owns 30 Airbnbs and be like, when did you start learning about the secrets of success business? Well, he's a look, he's a guy. He's a guy that understands success and he understands leadership. So Chris, can we have that Patrick bet David clip?

A city where with Baron Trump, Baron's a very interesting guy, the son of Donald Trump, six, seven, six, eight, we're doing a podcast with Ryan Garcia. He stays there and he walks. He said, let me walk you to your car. The son of a billionaire who's a president says, let me walk you to your car. He's working customer service. He walks us to our car and he's standing there until we get in the car to leave. He says, look, no matter what I do, no matter what my brothers do, no matter how much money we make, our success will never come close to what our father had to do because he really had the hard life, not us. He's not kidding.

He can't talk about something like that, right? I love what he said yesterday when we were with Barron Trump. Barron Trump, 6'7", 6'8". He's giving his stats. And then he said, who's he walking to his car? He's walking Ryan Garcia to his car. Is he the guy that did the air car? He's walking to Ryan Garcia to his car. Like, is he the guy that did the air box? He's trying to pick up the shadow boxing for Trump and then just filled the drug test.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He didn't like chug a beer and like fuck up his way. There's something to the other. He Ryan Garcia is like, oh, he's like he lost to Gervonta Davis, but he's, he's like a pretty good boxer. Um, and he won his last fight in part because he sort of pretended to go crazy, but actually really did go crazy, but not too crazy to stop doing road work or anything. Like he's still trained and that was smart.

He went muscle memory crazy. Like he still had the muscle memory enough to complete his job. Yeah. I mean, he, he looked like he was in the gym every day. He just like was also going crazy, but, um, yeah, no, he, the video of him shadow boxing in front of Trump is so fucking funny. It's so good, dude. It's like, that is such a funny idea. Like to meet the president and be like, look how long I can hold my breath.

No, no, I feel like you said that. You said that. I was like, it's like my parents, friends came by and I'd be like, can I put on my roller blades in the house? Let's show them. I can stand on my head. Exactly. Oh, but, you know, like, so we we also like Joe Biden, Donald Trump,

their fucking mummies. These guys are ancient. Like, how can we get out of this? The answer is the Baron Trump Imperium, because like, you know, it's always said, great, tall, the taller man usually wins an election. Who do we who do we got that's going

to be Baron Trump? Six, He's 6768 and he walks grown men to their cars. And then my favorite comment to this he says, he says, I want to let you know, everything we my brother said, it's nothing without the struggle that our dad went through. He really had it hard. What I that was so that's amazing like Donald Trump. He was like Axl Rose in the In I think sweet child of mine. He shows up to New York off a bus with a

His mouth Straight from the Trump farm in like Indiana and he's like I'm I'm gonna make something of myself. I'm gonna build this empire piece by piece. I'll hammer in all the nails. I think the hardest that Trump had to work at was like convincing his friends that his parents weren't like aliens. Cause you know they're like fucked up, like Cronenberg heads. Like they've got like their ears are on their necks. Listen man, I know I've said this before on the show, but and I'm serious man.

I've never understood why phrenology, I mean I get it right, but Phrenology should be a thing for weird white people head like that. You know what I'm saying? That is, that is so, he has like the head of a, his father has the head of a xenomorph. You know what I'm saying? I need to know. Right. Like, what?

What are the intergalactic species? Is that Scottish, German, and Dutch? Is that what he comes from? I need to know, right. What are the intergalactic species? Scottish, German and Dutch. Is that what he comes from? I need to know where Yaka was cooking. You know, he came up with that shit. I posted a picture of his dad once in this conservative guy was like, oh yeah. Oh, you think it looks bad? Well, guess what?

He had jaw cancer and it's like, and it's like, well, I mean like I would I would actually line him up with other people who got jaw cancer and say he's one of the worst looking people to ever get it yeah Roger Ebert had you off cancer I'd rather look at Roger Ebert yeah Roger Ebert he did he did a smart move I think this is smart for anyone who's aging jaw cancer or. It's the William Shatner move where you just like gain a little weight every year. After seven days. Yeah, exactly. It's such a good move. If Fred Trump had done that, probably no jaw cancer.

And he would have got he would have got to go to space to. Like William Shatner. Exactly. Well, there we go. I know Baron Trump will be our next. Alexander the Great. He just has to he just has to. I mean, Barron Trump will be our next. Alexander the Great. He just has to he just has to. I mean, look, he's he's very polite. He can hold the door for boxers and other politicians.

He's tall. He just has to work on talking. Yeah, that's the thing that'll get you, unfortunately. I've never heard him speak. That's true. Yeah, no, unfortunately. I've never heard him speak. That's true Yeah, I know me neither reason for that The tread guys think he's the Augustus. That's the comparison. I see them. Yeah, okay, man, I guess Yeah, he sees her as nephew, you know, yeah All right. Let's leave it there for today

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