Chapo Trap House - 925 - Banshee, PA Chamber of Commerce feat. Kath Kreuger (4/14/25)

Episode Date: April 15, 2025

Before addressing the news of the day, Will & Kath catch up with Felix on their re-watch of beloved series BANSHEE, which segues nicely into discussion of the baffling firebombing of the Pennsylvania governor's mansion. We then move on to the increasingly horrific and blatantly illegal renditions of American residents into foreign prisons, and the further construction of Fortress America. We also look at potential democratic responses, from Cory Booker’s filibuster, to Kamala slowly stepping back into the spotlight, and finally Bernie & AOC’s recent rally in LA.  Find EEPHUS streaming on VOD and new Eephus merch at: www.eephusfilm.com

All I wanna do is hit the drum All I wanna do is hit the drum Hello friends, it's Monday, April 14th and we've got some shop out coming at you. It's me, Felix and Catherine today. Welcome back Catherine. Hello, hello. Glad to be here. It's me, Felix and Catherine today. Welcome back, Catherine. Hello. Hello. Glad to be here. Oh, that's today. Obviously a lot going on. We have some serious stuff to talk about.

But I wanted to open today's show with with a question for you, Felix. And it's a question that's based on recently I have introduced Catherine to a little TV show, a TV show that I know you are a fan of, I know we're both big fans of. The name of that TV show, it's a little place called Banshee and Sheriff Lucas Hood. So my question to open the show today for you, Felix, is which fictional American town would be cooler to live in? Charming, California or Banshee, Pennsylvania?

That's unquestionably Banshee, right? I mean, like Charming is like they're both eventful, but Charming is eventful in the way that like, well, first of all, that median income in Charming is like seven hundred700 annually. The sons are the richest guys in town because they make just above the Medicaid cutoff. 25,000 a year. Yeah, like the residents of Charming

would have no way to put on like the parade where Bobby Elvis sings sings every year. Yeah. Out of their own economic output. But in Banshee, which is like a town of like a thousand, they're constantly having like UFC title fights. And like priceless diamonds are coming through all the time. Like, it's a really exciting place.

Yeah. I mean, like, we're rewatching Banshee now. Catherine had never seen it before a really exciting place. Yeah, I mean, like, I'm rewatching Banshee now. Catherine had never seen it before. What a trip. And I was just struck by, like, similar to Charming California, another pleasant, small American community that has a murder rate similar to, like, I don't know, like a death, a violent death rate that would only be comparable to the civil war in this country. And I was thinking particularly about in season one of Banshee, where they decide to have like the town's annual Spirit Festival that gets attacked by a gang

of bikers who grab people off the street and drag them behind their motorcycles during their like farmers market. To be fair, no one dies, but yeah, it is a violent act. It would be like living on the coast of the British Isles in the year like 600. Are those boats I see on the horizon? Yeah. Yeah, like I always think about that,

like especially in the first season, because that's when Lucas Hood is just like, hey, I'm the sheriff. Like, hey, I'm the first like telegenic guy in this town in the last like 30 years. Heic guy in this town in the last, like, 30 years. He sees the hottest man anyone has ever seen, and that's why every woman has to have sex with him. He has sex with the entire adult female population of Banshee.

And some arguable adults. I love it. I love it. I think it's the first episode where he's, like, he's just getting into Banshee, and he just, he stops into a bar, and with it With it like he doesn't even say anything and it just he automatically fucks the hottest woman in Banshee Like right before he takes the sheriff's identity but um During the first season do you remember when there is that UFC champion who like weirdly this was filmed in what like?

2007 yeah, then they basically predicted John Jones because there is like there's a UFC champion like an MMA champion. It's not like the UFC proper, but he like he's like a tall handsome black guy and is like was more athletic than most heavyweight champions in MMA at the time, but he's like, I think he commits a rape in Banshee, but Lucas Hood, just they have this like more brutal than they live fight. Yeah.

When Lucas like bites his ear off, like takes out his fucking eye. And I always think like, did this not make the news? Like the sheriff of this town forever crippled the UFC champion. No, I like the fight between Lucas Hood and the MMA guy because it sort of gives the audience an indication of what Sheriff Lucas Hood's superpowers are, which is that like the more violently he is beaten, the stronger he gets. Like, Catherine, you were saying like he needs at least four broken ribs before he really starts a fight.

Yeah, yeah. He's needs at least four broken ribs before he really starts a fight? Yeah, yeah. He's always operating with four broken ribs. I also like that Banshee is like a town that seems like it has an actual tax base, but they can't do, they can't hire more than three cops at any given time, despite the murder rate being 3000%. I mean like that, like, talk about a stroke of luck. They can only have three cops, but one of the cops is like, a guy who has like a Dark

Souls perk in real life where if he loses enough HP, he does like triple fucking damage. I'm remembering more of Manji, and I think this is where my illogical fear of getting my dick bitten off mid-Valatia. Yeah. Yeah. Because that is like one of the first things we learn about Lucas Hood is that he did that too. There's like this split.

What do you think? Actually, correction. I thought this was going to have to involve him biting the guy's dick off, which I guess would still have been a little gay even though it's in prison. But no, he actually cuts the guy's dick off with a blade. A straight razor. A straight razor that the guy has in his own hand. So he doesn't even have to touch the guy's dick to remove it from the albino guy's body.

Therefore, zero percent gay. Zero percent gay. How did no one do that to him before? Like, I get freaked out if, like, I don't know, there's a guarded razor too close to my dick. I don't know, like, he was, that, it must have been like a fucking, like, low-security prison for white-collar criminals,

and there's just this random gigantic albino rapist in there. He did that to all the Enron guys. Random gigantic albino rapist? Yeah. He's been doing that to like Jeff Skilling for 20 years. But there's time, they finally add like one more violent criminal. And he's like, oh shit, I didn't think that someone would do that.

Well, I guess I have nothing to do for the rest of my life sentence. Now that my dick's cut off. He also never seems to get like any time added to his sentence despite like, you know, violently attacking and sometimes killing guys in prison. These are all in flashbacks, by the way. Well, it reminds me of the Oz rule where every like,

one in every 20 brutal public murders, they're like, and they do it like it's an in-school suspension where they're like, all right, you're getting the death sentence now. But it's like, what about the other 19 murders that happened today? It's a wash, It's a wash. Just like, oh, one more Banshee related thing.

Just to give you an indication of how fun this town is to live in. I think the episode after the annual Spirit Festival was attacked by a gang of bikers who were like really the really like off brand sons of anarchy. They're like the classic biker gang where they're like, are we running guns? No, we're just running from town to town, raping and assaulting people. We're not organizing charity fun runs or anything. We're just a brotherhood of the road

that likes attacking innocent girls. If it was the Sons, they would have killed more people like sheerly out of accident. They would have been like, oh, there's another parade where Bobby Elvis could sing at. Maybe they would have like come up with some deal to like sell like bootleg fried dough. And it would have killed half the town.

Or the latest enemies they've made in like the North Korean army show up in town and shoot it out with like 80 people die in the crossfire. The Hamas gun running pipeline dries up and so they have to join forces with the Amish to traffic up highs. Oh and I got to say, Kai Proctor is one of the coolest villains that's ever been on an on show. One of the coolest villains on any TV show. He is demand as they say. But I was gonna say, I think it's the episode after the annual town spirit festival is assaulted by bikers, that like the next week,

the weekend detention for high schoolers is taken hostage by Wayne Grove from heat. Still an incompetent criminal who ends up dead. And also still a rapist. Yeah. Yeah, has that guy ever played like a nice man who runs a sandwich shop? No.

Like I feel like he's- Not with that face. Yeah, I guess not. I feel bad for him because he's like, he's a great fucking scumbag actor. Like one of the- Oh, so good. He never misses the mark as a scumbag.

But it's sort of like my thing how I want Gus Fring to play like a goofball who's always like accidentally spilling soup down his dresses. Like a goofy waiter or something. A lovable oaf. Yeah, instead of like, you know, all of- D'Cretcio! You'll be playing D'Cretcio! He should play D'Cretcio! He- I know he does interviews where he's like, I love playing the most evil guy in the world who never loses his temper in every fucking role

I ever played. But it's like, wouldn't you just one time wanna play a Portuguese buffoon? A little acting challenge. I remember this story my grandfather told me about dropping in a Claire down the university president's wife's cleavage by accident. Excuse me?

This was not him participating in the sexual world. This was just pure oafishness. Yeah. Well, it's funny because he really wasn't an oaf. Probably one of the least oafish members in my family ever But he just it was like during some you know soiree and he just he was a Claire soiree Well, you know how it was. Yeah, I do. Yeah, I was like it was post-war prosperity

An eclair for every man's hand. The least fancy man in town, like the local guy, like the 50 year old man who gets paid to shine shoes ate profiteroles for a few years. That's how good things were. So even at like a C-tier school like the University of Chicago, they were eating eclairs. They probably eat gruel now. But, like he just, he still thought it was like the funniest shit ever, like 60 years later. And it was, it was. And so I've always held on to that as like, something that a goofball character should do. And I would love to see

Gus for I forgot his actual name. I would love to see him do that in as decretio. I think he would nail that. Oh, that'd be wonderful. Well, actually, there is a news peg to my reminiscing about the wonderful town of Banshee, Pennsylvania, because there's a story that came out today about a violent act that took place in the state of Pennsylvania.

I'm referring, of course, to the arson attack on the governor's mansion while Josh Shapiro and his family were home. You folks you heard about this one? I'm just like, OK, so everyone's safe. But someone tried to burn down Josh Shapiro's house while he was inside of it with a Molotov cocktail. Yeah. And apparently the guy who did it is an Andrew Yang supporter, which is like whatever a terrorist attack happens or like an assassination attempt on a public figure, you know, there's always this like

everyone is sort of white knuckling it until the political affiliation of the attacker comes out of the Facebook lights come out and this one is just sort of like scrambles everything I mean like who's claiming this guy but I love the idea of like an Abundantist vanguard of like Andrew Yang, like Andrew Yang, like weatherman or something like that. But I feel like I like the idea that like he's in

interrogation and he's like there, you know, usually when someone does this, they're like, all right, we're going to bring in someone who can make you talk, but they're going to give him a deal to stop talking. Like the moment the moment they put his cuffs on, he was probably like,

you're probably wondering why I did this. Did you know that it costs more to make a penny than to? Well, look, we'll give you community service. You just stop fucking talking about this Andrew Yang shit. You shut the fuck up about UBI. Well, of course, it's like when I first heard of Joshua Pirro getting his house burned in an arson attack I immediately thought well, you know, the governor needs to address this and what would that sound like? Well folks I think it would sound a little something like this

Y'all you heard they tried to smoke me out. I told them I don't put my lip on no blood touched by another man. That's just gay Gas only Don't pass that shit to me. Homie. That's gay. He's like at the press conference after he's like Um, we almost got a toxic inhalation because you know, I put a lot of plastic covers on all my inhalation because you know I put a lot of plastic covers on all my friends. It's actually something I've done my entire life and my parents did it too. I woke up in the middle of the night and I smelled something but it wasn't fabuloso so I knew something was wrong. I had to get my family out of the house. I don't feel in no ways burned.

Why is it like why is Andrew Yang guy mad at Shapiro? I have no ways burned. Why? So like, why isn't Andrew Yang guy mad at Shapiro? I have no fucking clue. It's actually like a mentally ill guy who went off his meds. That's what it is. Yeah, it's like a Thomas Crooks, Thomas Crooks type guy, like just a confused, stupid American who's like it. I mean, this guy probably you remember how like the thing with Thomas Crooks was that he gave $30 to Biden and Trump?

That is so funny. It's hilarious because it's like. It's an all American guy though. Well, like what did you think you were doing? That's why I wish he lived because it's like he would have, I would have like paid money to the government to like, you know, to add to my studies of the stupid. I've spent a lot of time around the stupid, I'm fascinated by them. And Thomas Crooks was like, to me,

he would have been like the savage from Brave New World. I would have spent the next 30 years studying him. Felix is like the mind hunter, but for stupid people in America. He's doing jailhouse interviews being like. Tell me about your pornography addiction. What do you buy at 7-Eleven? I was just so fascinated by like,

how did he even get to a political donation page? Did he think it was like a sweepstakes? Did he think that's how you vote for them? Did he try to vote for both of them? He thought he was entering like a morning radio. You know, like get tickets to Hot 97 if you just click this and then you get five extra entries if you keep clicking it and share with your Facebook friends.

Tickets to Fog Hat if you donate to both presidential candidates. Backstage passes if you kill one of them. Yeah, yeah. And Thomas Crooks is like, I don't think he knew who Andrew Yang was. So this guy's like less stupid than him probably. Thomas Crooks also, you could not trust him to start a fire on purpose. He would have not gotten this far, absolutely not.

So I would wager that this guy is not like, you know, with Crooks, it was like they already had the beat on him because he was so awful looking. He was one of those guys who... He is on the government watch list for ugly people, unfortunately. Yeah. It's the FBI garbage pail kid list. Although your listeners get really mad when we call people ugly, so.

I got a lot of people mad at me for my comments about Thomas Crooks, which really raises a lot of questions for me. Yeah, it does. But, no, like I- Have a little more confidence in your appearances, choppa listeners, you know? Like, you don't have to identify with this guy.

I've met them. They all look like fine young men and women to me. With this guy, though, I get more the vibe of like, not quite the guy who shot Gabby Giffords, but like, it's very 70s is what it is. When like the crazy people were more ambitious and did stuff like this all the time, it really doesn't have a modern analog. You're right. I would guess that he's probably like out of people, modern people we recognize, he's

probably closer to like the Joker shooter guy where he was like kind of a normal guy who was even, you would even trust him to know what concepts like, you know, what is a passport? Or like the awareness of like- Do you pay taxes every year or do you just have to do it once? You know, like more of a person than the average stupid, but something went wrong. Even the fact that it's arson feels like a throwback because like the Joker shooter like at least had it together to like have a legally purchased firearm. And you know, like that shows more awareness of cause and effect than like, you know, a Molotov cocktail, very effective, but feels like, you know, he could have just been drinking

outside like a quick trip and then just gotten this idea and like walked a short distance to carry this out. The quick trip near the governor's mansion. Yes, Felix. Yes. It's Pennsylvania. Come on. I mean, it's like probably pretty hard to get to the coverage engine.

Oh no, wait, here's something for Pennsylvania listeners. Was it a wah-wah or was it a cheese? Which one's better? Which is the better sandwiches? That's Pennsylvania culture. What a throwback to like 20-30. Yeah, there you go. I saved myself there. That was such a good time when it was just like, you know, no one was getting fired in media.

It was all like Chris Elizabeth type people being like, well, we've seen the presidential debate. The real debate is fucking wow on versus hate. You're a terrible person if you like pineapple on pizza. Yeah. Well, we are, we are, we have certainly moved on from those times. The area of media abundance is over. And now we live in the hour of the wolf. And that's where I want to go.

Yeah. For the next. Oh, my God. I'm sorry. But like, think about if you were just like some like lame dick reporter for like Washington Post and you've been in a coma since 2014 and you wake up like now and you've been in a coma since 2014. And you wake up like now and you just, you're like, all right, everyone, I'm back. Who, okay, hot take. I like health zones or something.

All the people you used to talk to, they've all been fired. Like they're all homeless now. All their accounts are gone. They're all in blue sky. And all everyone who replies to you is like, you're a pedophile who should kill yourself. When you're doing like a shot.

You framed Ryan O'Neal. When you're doing like a shot chaser tweet. Yeah. All your replies are like guys who live in Argentina called like the Mengele innocence project Betafile that's so scary. I hope that doesn't describe anyone. I hope no one's been in a coma since 2014 unfrozen Politico caveman reporter, yeah, that's really sad. Oh, yeah

What succession character am I? And then it's just like, you're going to the fucking cash chamber. Here's your grandparents. And they just see their grandma with like a red beam on her forehead. Oh. Oh, yeah.

Owwe. Owwe. I mean, I guess that's a good segue into where I'd like, probably the most important story of the week for this week's edition of Evil news how much worse can it get happening in the world of evil today and the Horrible unimaginable future in which we're all going to have to live and I'd like to begin with just like the ongoing stuff with like deportations whether it's of like Mahmoud Khalil,

immigration judge in Louisiana ruled that his deportation could proceed apace. Now that is tempered by there is a judge in New Jersey that is still like this case is still subject to appeal. I did learn, however, that the immigration judge in Louisiana, who ruled on this case, is not in fact a member of an independent judiciary, but in fact does work for the executive branch of the government. So that's always fun to know about. But like, you know, even more barbaric are the cases of people who are just being disappeared

to this like fucking death camp in El Salvador. I mean, like the case on everyone, like the name on everyone's lips right now is Manuel Abrego Garcia, who's like one of these people who have been just disappeared to this El Salvadoran prison, Bukele was in the White House today in an absolutely grotesque spectacle of having him and Trump both say, well, we don't have the authority to return him.

And like, you know, the government has stated like openly that he was mistakenly deported. And saying not our problem. But then they're saying getting him back isn't our problem because he's in El Salvador's custody today. And now the president of El Salvador said in the Oval Office today, I don't have the authority to return him either.

The point is there are no mistakes, right? Well, I mean, I know the point. I think the point is that like, of course there are mistakes. The mistakes are the point. Yes. But like, the mistake would be correcting these errors because like they want to let you know that like there is no standard. There is no set criteria for what what someone qualifies someone as a gang member or a threat to America or a terrorist supporter or whatever.

And like all this stuff about how like oh we, we just we don't no one can find him. We just can't be out of sight out of mind. Like what does raise the incredibly disturbing possibility that this guy is already dead? Yeah. Are they like, you know, like any any number of these people have just been, like I said, disappeared to a foreign country's, you know, terrorist without any due process. Like have already been killed inside. The thing the thing this reminded me, the thing that I was thinking about a lot wall reading about this today and

You know my own encounters with like Trump people one of whom argued to me He's not dead. And in fact, he's now safe from the gang What what does that even mean? I don't fucking know Oh, yeah, the fact that you can't hear from him means he's extra safe What? What does that even mean? I don't fucking know. Oh yeah, the fact that you can't hear from him means he's extra safe. Yeah, like who, I just very confidently stating that and I guess like technically safe from a gang. I get like, I don't know. What, a prison that's run exclusively by gang members?

Yeah, well I guess he's safe specifically from Prenda Agua, what was his point. I don't know. I think that's being too charitable These people are losing the plot Right. I mean, I don't think they've lost the plot. I think they have the plot exactly which is that like Anyone deported from this country that they support and anything that happens to them No matter like if it's a matter of like oh they overstayed their visa by a year Well, then they deserve to die. They deserve to be executed by the state. Via deportation. So, it reminded me of there were a few instances of things like this with Gitmo and Bagram

where we renditioned someone either from Afghanistan or Pakistan or in many cases from the US. We would rendition like citizens and in a lot of cases, like they were, the administration itself would admit that they were totally innocent. This was completely an error. Someone's neighbor lied about them, any number of things. But the rationale for like why, even after they would get repatriated,

why they couldn't get any compensation or like, you know, legal admittance of wrongdoing was for national security reasons. With this, there's no pretense of this and no repatriation because I think with this, like the, I think you're exactly right. Like the point of like doing this to someone that they acknowledge has, cannot even be suspected of anything is the message it sends, which is like, you can't, like, this is all so capricious and random and there is so little recourse that like, if you thought you could just fly under the fucking radar, well, good luck. So definitely don't try anything, definitely don't say anything, because even like, even

if you do everything right we could still fuck up your entire life and it'll be a funny joke that we tell each other. You know and like I saw another story today about how basically like just the ISIS sent out like just mass emails basically to anyone who is engaged in the services of an immigration attorney telling them that they have seven days to leave the country. That quote, their parole is up. And these emails are also being sent to their lawyers, who are US citizens as well,

telling them to leave the country. Did you also see that story about like some teen was like went around the corner to do laundry, and ICE guys just grabbed him, and someone said like, this is not the right guy, and they said grab him anyway. Yeah. And now he's like being deported.

You know, like the punitive and totally arbitrary nature is the point to basically not only make everyone who's not an American born natural citizen live in fear, but also just the idea that even due process as a fundamental constitutional American right, or even just a right on American soil can touch you or can save you is like being totally outmoded and there's no recourse. Absolutely. And like, when I think about like whether it is any of the students who are being charged with felonies or being deported from the country for engaging in political speech or peaceful

protest on behalf of Palestine, or if it is any of the people who are from Central America who are now being, many of them who have never even set foot in El Salvador, who are now being, like I said, deported to. Or not even from there. Yeah, like I said. Or you know, like even their parents aren't even from there. Yeah, based on like spurious accusations

that they belong in a gang, which is like, that they're in a gang, which is like, you know, trying to identify people's tattoos, which are just like a peace sign or something. Yeah, exactly, stuff like that. And it's is like, you know, can try to identify people's tattoos, which are just like a sign or something. Exactly. Stuff like that. And it's just like you hear the stories about these people, like any of these names that people are talking about and that like are, you know, being used as a test case for like we can do this to anyone.

None of them. I haven't seen a single example of any one of these like deportation cases where it's like a skull, like a guy who's like faces a tattooed skull and is like, you know, some like MS-13 like serial killer or something like that. The fact that all of them seem to be totally law abiding, like just people who work and have families in this country. Taxpayers.

To pay taxes, work, have jobs, and families. Do not commit violent crimes. Like have been in the country for 20 years as like, you know, like without committing any crime and are just like members of the communities that they live in. I think the point is, like it is for the for the Stephen Millers of the White House, for the people behind this policy, it is more dangerous for them to have people like that living and working in America than like a mess, you know, like whatever phantom of like the scariest illegal drug dealing cartel sicario that you can imagine. I think like they would much rather have like, you know, dangerous violent

criminals in the country than law abiding, just like law abiding family people and workers in this country. Because like the message is they don't want they don't want anyone in this country who's not white. And then like the extent that there are nonwhite people in this country, they're going to try to get that number as low as possible. And the idea that like if an impression can be created, that like immigrants documented or otherwise are just normal people who want to live and work in America,

that is an existential threat to the project of like ethnically cleansing this country that animates this policy. Yeah, it's a blood and soil. And like when I think about this, like, you know, like in conjunction with like, you know, the tariff policy or just sort of like the closing off of America. I really wonder like, what does this, like, you know, if this continues, like, what does this country have to offer the rest of the world? Like, I mean, we better start learning how to build things other than fucking the F-35

again because, like, for all of my life, for better or worse, whether you can nibble around the edges of how true this is or not, but for better or worse, for as long as I've been alive, what America offered to the rest of the world was it was a place that most people saw, correctly or incorrectly, as a nice, safe place to live, a place you wanted your kids to be educated in, a place that you want to visit or even move to. A place of prosperity. Because, yeah, because like for you know, like for better or worse, like this is a mostly a safe and prosperous country where like,

but that gave the impression that it was ruled by a government and a legal system that had like checks and balances to prevent it from just being like the whims of one man. And I think that the point is to like advertise to the world that like we don't want you. This is not an open country anymore. This is not a friendly country. This is not a country that wants you even to visit America legally or work or study here. Thereby betraying even the illusion that, you know... This is a free country. Yeah, this is a free country that has any value proposition to offer the world other than Marvel movies. That's what we still build in this country. The three things we export are pharmaceuticals, weapons systems, and Marvel movies, right?

Yeah. And avocados. Right. And the way that we were able to just sort of like keep an edge to like keep building weapon systems and keep manufacturing pharmaceuticals was anyone who, any exceptional person, the implicit guarantee was that if you had enough resources and enough ability that this would be technically, you know, the best place for you to possibly live. Now that is obviously out.

There is no ability, talent, maybe even resources that could keep this from happening to you, right? Right. Yeah. And I've been trying to like identify what like this iteration of conservatism is about, it's, it's a bunch of things going in a bunch of different directions. It's, you know, if you're a Y2 law firm, you have to like take on anti-Semitism cases pro bono. If you're a college, you have to

accept like a guy who's three IQ points smarter than Thomas Crooks. Yeah. Like, just all this like weird shit. But the most identifiable, if you could sum it up, right, it would be that they are like basically advertising, okay, we're doing the strategy of tension to everyone. No one can trust each other. You will all hate each other. There will be enough negative polarization that any awful thing, even done to like you,

a member of your family, your fucking wife, you will go, well, it isn't actually like as bad as they said because articles are gay. It's fine that they stomped my wife's head into hamburger because what if she was bad? That's what the articles won't tell you. And so while doing that also creating a country that no one wants to fucking even visit, much less come to if

they have any exceptional abilities. What will replace that is, I guess, like we're going to manufacture like glow sticks, because that's the only thing we have a supply chain for. So just like a shittier place where everyone hates each other. But if you like put it in those terms, the people, the ones who aren't like, what are you talking about? We're going to go to fucking Mars. We're going to have nuclear powered aircraft. Like the people who aren't part of that like Palantir teal delusion thing of this being

like Pax Americana. They're like, no, that is what I want. It's like that leathery bitch I talked about who was like, no, it's our turn. These people that they've never fucking seen in their lives that they, yesterday they would have no opinion of them. Now the fact that they are, you know, that Cory Booker or fucking someone is bringing them up,

good, I want that guy to be stabbed to death in a Salvadorian prison. Why? Because for articles, fuck you. Like what? Like 40 percent of America signing on to go, let's make it as shitty as possible and as random and cruel and just pointless as possible. I mean, like, I feel like she's like a Pax America. I think this is like this is the building of Fortress America.

Right. Like based on the based on the completely hallucinatory phantom idea that we're all in the safest country on the planet, like all under threat constantly. And we should be paranoid and fearful of everyone around us. And then we're just going to like build the walls physically and metaphorically to lock Everyone out of America, but really what it's doing is locking everyone inside here and making this country like a fucking prison Which is to say more violent a hateful

Racially segregated where everyone understands that everyone is out for themselves and you can't trust a single other person And also I think what's like outside your gang or tribe. What's perhaps most striking about this is that like there's no prosperity doctrine included in it. You know, like to me, the idea of selling Fortress America to people is that like we have to hoard resources amongst ourselves, like immigrants are taking it all. But this is like, okay, everything in America is so shitty and your life is so degraded, that's why we need to become Fortress America. Like we need to become the escape

from New York prison. Like we're not going to improve anything for anyone, but at least no one else will come into your shitty front yard. It's like ensuring the shitty status quo without any promise of like, okay, that's why we're keeping out immigrants is because we want to redistribute the wealth to you. It's like, no, just further enshitification forever and ever and ever. Yeah, it's like, oh, like, why do we have to get rid of due process and freedom of speech?

So you can't have it either. So yeah, so no one can have it. Like, oh, so things will get better for our everyday average Americans. No, we're doing it so things will get worse. Why can't a college kid sign an op-ed with 30 other people? Because you have no free speech rights either, and you're happy to give away those civil rights

because it's like what is the parable about God saying, whatever I give you, I'll give to your neighbor two-fold, and the guy says, okay, I'm taking out one of my eyes Yeah, yeah, and again like if I'm gonna get really fucking bleak here I mean, I think the reality is the fact that like this assault on due process and freedom of speech You know like the two core American values that like like I said and whatever quibbles you want to make with it did Advertise this country credibly to the rest of the world as a safe, free country where like, citizen or not, you were free from like arbitrary detention and prosecution by the state. Based on political agendas.

I think the fact that this is all being done under the guise of immigration enforcement means that I think probably roughly half of this country are totally okay with it. In fact, they love it and are braying for more. This is the perfect test case because it's both immigration but it's also about, you know, like the next move is, which they're already kind of doing with like these law firms and whatever else, just being able to like suspend people's right to due process because they're political opponents of this administration. Like that's what's next.

I am kind of reminded of, I mean, it really seems insane now in light of everything. Like what these policies turned out to be, the sheer unpopularity and hollow initial popularity of the administration. But the basic posture of American liberalism, but specifically the Democratic Party in the first few months after the election, which is like, hey, I guess this is what this country is about and there's nothing we can do but just go along with it until they fuck up. Part of that was just to like anything that they said or proposed about immigration, we just have to go along with because the amorphous blob of normalcy that dictates everything,

the popularist credo that dictates everything except our policy on fucking Israel dictates that they just want harsher immigration. Okay, well the smart move is to just go along with it. I mean, I remember talking about this before the inauguration, and our conclusion was, like, they don't care when they fuck up, and there's no recourse, and the point is just to, like, fuck up as many people's lives as possible and make as many people as fearful as possible. But even then, like, I could not have predicted how true that would be or to what extent it would go.

But it's like the idea of just like go along with this until the fever breaks. Seems so fucking insane now. It seemed insane then. But like, holy shit, I don't think I think it would have happened anyway, unfortunately. But just like lending momentary legitimacy to this was one of the dumbest fucking Amoral things anyone could have done. They have no answer to any of this They're happy to be caught flat-footed their answer to this is holding up a folder in front of their faces for a phone during a photo Oh, yeah, we're fucking gorgeous Gretchen Gretchen show that gorgeous face. What are you doing? That's the future of the Democratic Party is just like, wow, what are we supposed to

do? You know, they're in power, it's their government. And also basically like, well, America is so racist that like, what are we supposed to even do? You know, we want those racist votes too. So like, you know. But like, even with the people who are realizing that like it would pay off more to make a stand like Cory Booker, even he won't talk about like New Jersey residents

that are being abducted by ICE because maybe someone might think they're anti-Semitic because they signed a fucking petition somewhere. Also, did anyone control F his 25 hour long speech for Gaza? Just a question. What do you I didn't do that because I don't need to. I already know the answer. 25 hours and couldn't mention fucking Gaza 1. Especially because he was talking about like, we don't want to live in a country where like the history of this, the wretched history of this country is sanitized. Like we need to stand up for the truth. You're sanitizing it in real time. Yeah, and he's like talking about all the activists of like, you know, the civil rights era and like how they would feel about this now.

And then like the next day he votes to send more fucking bombs to Israel. Yeah, cry me a fucking river. And like, I feel like you bring up like the the the the popular, the the popularist pop, the popularist credo. The pop soda is. Is that as soon as something becomes popular, the Democrats should just adopt it, except for Israel. And I bring this up in the context of I saw this week a poll conducted by the Pew polling group that showed that for the first time ever in polling this question, a majority of

Americans by about 53% now have an unfavorable opinion view of Israel. And that's across parties. And this is not Democrats, this is not young people, this was not broken down by Democrat versus Republican, this is across the board all Americans 53% And you know the polls done by Pew. So I mean, I think it's a reputable polling Polling firm. I mean take it with all a grain of salt But like that indicates something that indicates a major seismic shift in public opinion on Israel that I don't think is going to turn around anytime soon

But what is going to happen, like I said, Trump in his statements today in the Oval Office with Bukele said openly, the homegrowns are next. And I would love to start deporting American citizens to the El Salvadorian death game. And it's just like, get the loyalty oaths ready for Israel or you're gonna be fucking deported or killed. You know what?

Well, made a non-citizen overnight. Yeah, you will be made. Have your green card rescinded. Your passport taken away. Yeah, and just be like, you know, these are like also meant to be fast deportations. You know, like it's bad for the administration that like Khalil has even been given his day in court. Like they wanna disappear people from this guy,

he should have been tried in New Jersey, first of all. You know, summarily like sending him to Louisiana, Louisiana, this hell on earth detention center, which is actually a prison. I don't know why people even say detention center. And like they just they just want to, you know, get people out of the country before like their lawyer even has the chance to locate them. And like I said, like, you know, like the attack on free space, like this is how they were going to continue to enforce U.S. policy in, you know, like, I mean, it's like a twofold. The empire comes home. The Democrats and the media just simply won't talk about it.

They'll just simply ignore Israel, Palestine. They'll ignore Gaza entirely. And we'll talk a little bit about that more in a second. And then, like, for everyone else, it's like you can just be made, regardless of where you were born or, you know, your citizenship status, you will just be made like, like you'll be de-personed overnight as a way to enforce compliance in a country where now the majority of people are like, at the very least, look at Israel and go, like that's too much. But are also happy to look the other way. Yeah. Yeah. At the very least, if not actively cosign it. Yeah.

It's bad. Like I said, hour of the wolf. But I do want to get to like the other like political stories from this week, which are like sort of the we see now this this past week, sort of like the two avenues that appear to be opening up for the Democratic Party and like as the opposition or the good party that you have to vote for because you know, the guys who are currently in power are you know, basically because you know, turning this country into an outright dictatorship. And the first one I'm going to begin with is, of course, Kamala Harris.

Yeah, remember her headline here in Infinity Fair? Kamala Harris has been quietly, carefully working the phones and plotting her next move. Right, Sarah? Kamala Harris was most definitely saying, I told you so about Donald Trump. Last week, the former vice president made a surprise appearance at a women's leadership conference in California's Orange County, giving her first extended remarks since her November 6 concession speaks. Harris's tone was somber with one major exception.

There are many things that we knew would happen, she said before departing from her written text. I'm not here to say I told you so. I swore I wasn't going to say that. With that Harris briefly backed away from the mic laughing and grinning. I thought she performed incredibly well one of her best speeches said Ashley Etienne who worked as Harris's communications director During her first year as vice president and was in the room last week The way I read it was she felt a little lighter in her presentation

But heavier in the depth of what she was saying It's so evil and like, you know, like this goes on to say like, you know She's been meeting in Beverly Hills with like, you know, a lot of Democratic Party bigwigs and well healed donors. Just point of information. I think her first extended remarks were actually at a paid speech at a bank. It was for Australia's biggest Realtor conference. Oh yeah, yeah. Forgive me for mistaking them. I just hate this, like like I just hate this thing of like every time someone runs for president and loses and they're like They predicted all of this and it's like what the fuck do you think a campaign is? like do you

I mean bullshit aside. I think he's be it'll be a great president I think he'll be a great president. Yeah. You lost. You lost. Yeah. Like, you know, you predicted all of this. So did everyone else. But you didn't run a good enough campaign. So you get no credit. Yeah. This is this is just one more here from the New York Times.

Ms. Harris, who jokes to friends that she is unemployed for the first time, has explored options beyond pursuing electoral office, too. She has hired the Creative Artists Agency to gauge interest in speaking engagements in a potential book. An aide has held preliminary talks with universities about establishing a policy institute, though some warned that could complicate

her political aspirations. Ms. Harris has told friends and allies that so she is still processing the November result in which she lost every swing state and saw record numbers of black and Latino voters historically among most reliable Democrats reject her. But like, I mean look, like I think that Kamala is absolutely getting ready to run for president again in 2028. And once again if polls are to be believed, she is currently among like among

Democrats the leading candidate to run again for president in 2028. Also, just let me say on behalf of all under and unemployed women in this country, we do not claim her. We do not claim her. We reject her wholeheartedly. She's not welcome in the clubhouse. That's just such like a bullshit. Like, yeah, that's what everyone thinks about her.

You know, she's always just kept busy. So weird to see her not at work. Like what, are you Jack Donaghy? Like no one thinks that about you. No one's gonna tell her to go hike in the woods and learn to knit. Remember that? Remember how fun that was?

She's meaning with CAA, I would watch a Kamala like reality show that's like, if it was called like Doug and Kamala, achieving normal. And it was about them Doug and Kamala, achieving normal. And it was about them like learning to pretend that they're like a normal couple. Just like at dinner with Ella Emhoff and then the son, you know, talking about like,

hey, how was the downtown Lit Magazine party? Was it bussin'? Yeah, or just like, I don't know, like going over like contract negotiations for when they renew the marriage. Well, CAA can be valuable in that regard. Absolutely. So there's Kamala out there, like I said, I think for fully obviously laying the groundwork to take another crack at it in 2028. Well, who else is there? And you know, run on the hey, I told you so platform, which you you know, like, fuck, fuck me. It could work. Who knows?

And then in contrast with or perhaps not enough in contrast with the huge rallies that took place here in Los Angeles this week for AOC and Bernie and like the fight, the oligarchy tour that they're going on right now, which is like, you know, is is indeed like turning out huge numbers of people like it's not even running for president. The biggest Bernie rally ever. And yeah, and like, you know, I think a lot of people are saying that this is laying the groundwork for AOC to run for president. And you know, like, I've thought a lot about like these big rallies and like the obvious

energy that they're like sort of channeling and like the numbers of people that will turn out to support this because this is is what they want from democratic leaders in this country, is like, given like, as we just spent the last 20 minutes describing, the atmosphere of just choking fear and grotesquery that exists in this country, and anger, among parts of normie liberal voters about their party's inability or unwillingness

to challenge any of this or just like... Across like all demographic lines also. Yeah. Like someone just want... Like people just want someone to echo their anger and tell them that they're not alone and they're not crazy. And to that end, I can't shit on like, you know, big public outpourings of like physical support and like thousands and thousands of people turning out for like, you know, what is in my opinion a mostly positive political message? But that being said like I feel like I've seen this movie before and I think like

Soberly we should have to consider some of the limitations of this and like yes, I'm sorry Critique the obvious blind spots as it regards Gaza Like what I'm sorry like an issue that obliterates all others in terms of how important and immediate it is among the people that we want to be to sort of carry the mantle of what is like a moral or progressive or liberal or socialist vision of how this country could be governed in the future. A country where whatever is done in Gaza is just over there and it's implicitly okay. That is a country where everything else happened.

That is a country where citizens, green card holders, fucking anybody can be disappeared to a Salvadorian hellhole and never to be seen again. It is not just foreign policy. It is a test of how much people will accept. There's no disconnecting them. And yeah, like, at the end of the day, I think it is better to have these than not, right? Like, I think it is morale, solidarity, and like you said, like, you give the

impression that you're not going insane, like there are large huge numbers of people in this country who are not on board with the, the evil that is just coursing through. Right. It's better to have like a physical presence for opposition. For them not to just think that everyone is just glumly, like keeping their heads down and shuffling through this hoping it will end. That is always better. Absolutely. But yeah, both for the gigantic blind spot in the issue that binds all of this together Bernie just said

Israel's a right to defend itself still fucking saying that and I do think you know for all like my criticisms of AOC Specifically, I think Bernie has disgraced himself far more in the past five years between the two he has said and done the far more fucking disgraceful things for as bad as tirelessly working and all the other shit was. But the thing that like frightens me about AOC as the next standard bearer is I think whoever comes next, if they have even a dream of unfucking things up, they are going to have to harden their hearts.

Yes. They're going to have to go beyond where Lula is going. They're probably going to have to break the law. They're going to have to make people too afraid to just try this again the fucking next time. And they won't. And I don't think that's her. I don't know who that is. I don't know who, if that person even exists in the realm of possible candidates. But I do know that in order to even get back somewhere, to even be in a position to make things better, it would have to be someone who is ready to do this and cannot be derailed by anyone. You can adopt the language of a mid sized American University House PR department. Felix, you had a great line about AOC is that she's easier to move than a hitman in BC and like that is a huge liability. You can just like, you know, like a video game where you can like throw a pebble and like the guards are like, what was that?

Yeah, if you just say unsafe, she'll be like, oh, my God, I didn't realize I was doing that. And I feel like I think the point you made about how like they have to be willing to break the law is so important. It's like similar. I said last week, is it like any productive economic policy in this country will inevitably result in the stock market crashing? So like you're just going to have to like get ready to, you know, steal yourself for the reaction when that happens. And the good news is that the Trump administration right now is establishing the precedent that the executive branch can absolutely ignore a Supreme Court ruling as they're doing right now with these deportations. You know, like I guess like as terrifying as that as that is,

it does imply that, like, a different executive could ignore the Supreme Court for a good reason rather than a pure evil one. Yes. I also just want to point out, like, to me, and people will probably get mad at this, to me, like, the message itself reveals its limitations. Fight oligarchy. You know, oligarchy will be the death of us all. You know, it's like one of the main reasons we don't have any nice things in this country.

But and again, I don't care. But it's similar to Black Lives Matter. It's inherent, of course Black Lives Matter, of course we should fight oligarchy. But what is the actionable part of that organizing mantra? You have to fight against something and in fighting against something you have to advocate for a different concrete policy vision of the world Fighting is not enough you have to be fighting for a better future and I simply think that like you know without teeth and without You know like a like a real plan, like, you know,

this organizing kind of like, you know, it's good energy, it's great to have people feeling not alone, it's great to have people coming out of their houses and coming together and being anti-Trump and being anti-oligarchy, but like, where does it go? You know, like, similar to Black Lives Matter, all the energy of that movement, which was so heartening for that whole summer, you know, kind of just crashed and burned because it had nowhere to go other than. Just vote for the next Democrat.

Yeah, exactly. And Felix, this is a point you made, like look, this is what I mean by like, I've seen this movie before. Like we've seen Bernie already turn out huge numbers of people and like really motivate a large constituency of people and like really motivate a large constituency of people in this country But like unfortunately that constituency in a one-on-one v1 primary or election is still not enough and like I hate to say it

But like another example that comes to mind right now in New York City is Zoran like I think he's run a magnificent campaign and I think he's got great ideas and he has like really turned out a great deal of support a lot of individual donors and like I greatly admire what he's done and I'm not like this isn't all just doom and gloom However, he is currently 30 points underwater to Andrew Cuomo who has basically not been seen in public once since Declaring his candidacy for mayor right? He has not done a single campaign event. He has not done a single media interview He is living in a hotel and just waiting for the primary in June and he's probably going to win and like, you know Once again, I I don't relish in saying that I'm still supporting Zoran Probably I'm still gonna vote for him and I think everyone should as well

But like that should tell you something and like I don't have an answer to this I don't have a solution but if it is going to come down eventually to like we gave it a good shot and we like brought awareness to a lot of issues and we like, you know, sort of expanded the horizons of like, you know, political possibility in this country. But at the end of the day, we're just going to endorse the next awful Democrat who's going to beat us because we couldn't get it done at the ballot box.

I don't know what the future is unless you're really willing to break with the Democratic Party. Yeah, that is it at the end of the day. We talked about it on our Mel and Sean episode and we've talked about it a lot in reference to Bernie versus his other counterparts in electoral politics across the world. It strains credulity to say we're going to fight the oligarchy, we're going to take it down, and we are going to deliver a better vision of the future, when you cannot fight the Democratic Party at its weakest. At a certain point, you have to realize, like, there has to be fucking something else. The Democrats aren't getting it done,

and also, there are oligarchs on the Democratic side. You know, again, it just underlines the limited horizon of this particular message. I think a positive political message would just be to like forget all policy. Just be like elect us and I promise to use all of the current executive powers that are being expanded right now to just jail everyone in the Trump administration. Yeah. Without due process, without a court, without a judge hearing a case, to jail or deport

all of these criminals or all these crooks and degenerates from America. And like don't indict him 50 times. Just get rid of him. Right. And like even when you when Trump is gone or JD Vance or fucking whoever, you will still have all the ICE guys who happily did this and are going to leap at the chance to do it again. How do you make them stop? I don't know. Make them afraid of a fucking consequence for the first time. Do some Nuremberg trials.

Yeah. I mean, that is a proven way to at least make people too afraid to easily try it again. You know, like a campaign promise day one in prison, Donald Trump, his family, everyone who serves in his administrations and like freeze all of assets, and then get them out of this fucking country. And then also like, and then do the same thing to like the entire infrastructure of their political and economic support. I think you'd see even more than 36,000 people in the streets for that. I think that would be a message that would turn out a fair number of people.

That's just icky to Democrats, you know, like it is, it is, you know. I mean, it's icky to me, too. Like I've been defending defending freedom of speech and due process. But like I said, we live in a world now where like it's the prisoner's dilemma. You got to do it to them first because they're going. Yeah, they're already doing it. They're already doing it to you. Yeah. I mean, it all goes back to Bush. There was a chance to put Bush away, to put away people like Douglas Fife

and John Yoo, who signed off on the thing that got this fucking ball rolling with the Patriot Act, with the renditions of American citizens. When no one saw no legal consequence, no real professional consequence, no social consequence for any of this, that opened the door for all of this. Yes. We're going to need some kind of truth and reconciliation committee and some sort of Robespierre-like revolutionary court as well to process. Yeah.

Yeah. When you show someone like any of these horrible stories of people who did fucking nothing and they go, good, it's our turn. They're not going to stop because of the goodness of their heart, because they ran into three Christmas ghosts. The only thing that will stop them is fear. Yeah. That is the only thing.

Chris, do you want to give us a scene report? Because we've been talking about the Bernie AOC rally, but producer Chris attended the one in Los Angeles. And I think for journalists and integrity, we should get a first-person perspective on the proceedings. Yeah. So I had some friends from San Diego drive up because they were planning on attending a friend who is the veteran and his girlfriend who is has a job who is unionized under the teamsters. So they wanted to come up for it and ask to stay at our place. So I figured

what the hell I'm not doing anything on a Saturday morning. I'll go down and check it out. Ran into some other friends there. I mean, it's nice. It's very nice to see everybody out. We've seen these for a decade now, huge, diverse, intergenerational, interracial crowd. I mean, at one point I was standing in between a group of what I could describe as Zoomer metalheads and middle-aged Chicano long shoremen's union guys. And I can we say Chicano anymore? They had pins that said Chicano Longshoremen's Union guys. And I can we say Chicano anymore?

They had pins that said Chicano labor on it. So I think who said that you can't say that? I don't know. I don't know if that's the right. Yeah. How many articles are you reading a week? Chris? But yeah, it was a lot of like everything from people in Ruth Bader Ginsburg, hype shirts and Harris Waltz hats.

I thought that phenotype was extinct. Well, they're still out at the Bernie rally too. I did see, I did clock a couple Zapata offshore hats there. Nice. Yeah. Greatest selling hat in history. Yes, exactly. So I mean in America, by the way, that's basically it. I was not able to say, I had, I was not able to actually say for AOC and Bernie, but, you know, had some hotel workers speak before,

had some local politicians speak. Everybody was on message. I was pleased that even between the local politicians and oh, they had that guy, Max Frost, the Zoomer congressman. Oh, right. The Kingdom Hearts fucker.

Yeah, exactly. Did he have a Keyblade with him? No, he didn't. He was very competent, very on message, very Bernie-crat in his speech. Not a lot of, from what I saw, like straight orange man bad stuff, but a lot of, you know, we have to deal with Medicare for all, got a number of mentions.

That's still in the combo there, uh, housing, healthcare, climate, you know, it's, it's the same message, but everybody's very on point, mostly forward thinking. I did talk to my friends who stayed the entire time. Uh, their report was mostly AOC did the diagnosis of what's wrong. Now, Bernie did the roadmap for the future. I asked if the word Gaza was said at all. They said there were some mentions of Palestine, but no Gaza specifically Yeah, I mean I second everything you guys said in the analysis thing

But we'll just concur that the energy is nice and it is if anything to just keep that core alive Does I agree does have some value and to see the If anything, to just keep that core alive, does, I agree, does have some value. And to see the diversity and enthusiasm and passion there in real life is always a powerful reminder that this is something that exists in the real world,

even if we still don't know what the fuck to do with it. Anyway, that's my senior report. Yeah, no, I think that's very worth saying. And I, you know, this has been a very, you know, a downer, some would say. But we've referenced the Bush administration a lot this episode and a lot in reference to this current Trump administration. I will say, like the most hopeless anything felt was not it wasn't it's not now. Sheridan is not now. Sure as shit, it's not now.

It was a time like 2003 where things like this were happening and we were gearing up for another war and there was some opposition, but for the most part, it seemed like the Bush administration would not even have to go to these lengths. Because they're just, no one gave a shit at that time. It wasn't like 2007, like things get collapsed in people's memories and they just refer to this broad Bush era. But it took a long time to get to the point where it was even openly okay to talk about like the failings of the administration. We're not there. We're not at some point where like it is some taboo topic just out of social ostracization that like they don't even have to go to

these lengths. It's called comfort but the fact that they are basically openly telegraphing their plan to revoke American citizenship in defense of Israel is proof of a tenuous position, I would say. How that ends, what goes with it, I don't know. None of us know. And even if we did, you don't get anything for, for predicting the future. I told you so. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. As my lungs fill with gas.

Yeah. But, but all things being equal, better to be here than to be in a position where no one fucking gives a shit at it. And you're just screaming through the glass trying to get people to notice. I will also say that I was entertained by the small but very noticeable Avakianite presence outside. No, no, now we have an answer. Now we have finally answered. That's a policy.

Outside the rally, effectively protesting the rally and the message that they were going on and had fliered around the perimeter was no, Bernie, it's not the 1%. It's the 50% of fascist Americans. I mean, honestly, facts. Yeah. I mean, I was like, I mean, can I really disagree with Sherman Bob there? Like after everything I've just said on this show, of the of utterly irredeemable swine portion of this country yeah I

mean everything you reported about the rally it was very reassuring to hear but knowing that the Bob people are still doing that that was like that's like a warm hug yeah I think no matter what they're gonna be, like if like there's nuclear war and we live through threads and we have like, you know, early agrarian elections with like councils of elders, there will still be- We're putting pebbles in a bucket. Yeah, there will still be chairman Bob guys that are like, Doug the Magnificent is a social

fuck. Everyone who's able to and while I'm on here, I, I'm glad that you brought up the, um, the thing about what would prevent the next guy theoretically from just using this administration's policies to, it keeps feeling like a very baselib fantasy of mine, but it is exactly what you said. Like what prevents the next guy from coming in and just declaring MAGA a terrorist movement, which they, anyone could do, any executive could do and rendering all the leadership into foreign custody under say Cuba or maybe the ANC, and just see what they do with the MAGA leadership for a few months while we sort it out in courts.

I wouldn't want to do that to Cuba. They certainly don't deserve it. It's a fantasy that I've been having for a little bit. But I mean, like the point is like elections are not going to make these people go away. I mean, I'm not saying like, oh, we need to kill half the country or anything like that. But like, the point is like, the power of reactionary force, we want to say, like, cannot be defeated through elections. Like they can, like, they're, they're, their progress in turning this country into Fortress of America can only be impeded temporarily. Well, you do kind of need to win elections in order to wield political power. Yeah, but then you need to wield power.

But then you actually wield it against your enemies. But first, unfortunately, you do need to win elections in order to wield the power. And the Democratic Party is semi-interested in winning elections, but is certainly demonstratively not interested in wielding political power against its friends or enemies. They should start, like, imposing new curriculum codes on universities where it's just like, Harvard has to be anti-Semitic now. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I would love to be the anti-anti-Semitism. Yeah. Oh, that would be perfect. Oh, the Felix Biederman endowed chair of anti-Semitism created at Harvard University. Oh, wow. No, make these fucking law firms defend Palestinian students.

You could create the white noise department of Nazi studies. The department of Hitler. Oh sorry, yeah, the department of Hitler studies. God. The department of anti-Semitic studies. All right. Let's see what there is for today. We may just end on a less downer note. We're laughing about anti-Semitism. Actually, we're going to end the show on a much lighter note with a little

important announcement for you. We talked for about the movie EFIS that we helped produce and that I play a very small role in. Well, people have been always asking, you know, oh, I can't see it. I don't live in New York or L.A. And it's just like, well, that's your fault. But thankfully, thankfully, starting tomorrow, April 15th, if this will be available, any everywhere, find movies are bought or rented. What? Yeah, you will be able to watch if it's on Amazon, Apple TV,

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Thanks for having me. All right. Till next time, everybody. See ya. Bye. Bye. Well I'm walking down that long, awesome road, babe Where I'm bound, I can't tell But goodbye is too good work, babe So I'll just say, I'll just say, I'll just say, I'll just say