Chapo Trap House - 949 - Big Beautiful Swill feat. Tim Faust (7/7/25)

Episode Date: July 8, 2025

Tim Faust returns to the show to look at the One Big Beautiful Bill Act and its dire consequences for American medicine. We discuss Medicaid as a load-bearing feature of our healthcare infrastructure, how this bill will affect millions of Americans using the program, and the potential ways forward in the wake of its evisceration. We also look at last week’s absolute omnishambles article on Zohran’s college admission, a perfect encapsulation of the Failing New York Times approach to just about everything. Pre-Order YEAR ZERO: A Chapo Trap House Comic Anthology at https://badegg.co/products/year-zero-1

All I wanna do is hit a choco All I wanna do is hit a choco Hello everybody, it's Monday July 7th and this is your Chop-O. On today's episode, Felix and I are joined once again by our good friend Tim Faust to talk about the big beautiful bill and his area of expertise Medicaid. Tim it's great to have you back on the show. Tim Faust the man who sold his soul to the devil for knowledge about public policy. That's right that's what I'm all about you know one of these days I'll come on the show when we're not in the middle of a terrible crisis but until then I'm happy to be here once again. Well, yeah, like, this is sort of doubling down. We had you we had you on not too long ago to talk about Medicaid. But now it appears that all the bad things have indeed come to pass. And it really does look like Medicaid. That's

what's on the chopping block in this big, beautiful bill, through either through work requirements or cuts. Tim, like, just of what you've seen so far of the big, beautiful bill, and like from your perspective on what will this do to not just Medicaid, but to the healthcare system overall in the United States? Sure. So as you mentioned, kind of the big centerpiece of the Medicaid cuts are the introduction of work requirements, which means that if you are in the expansion population, you need to certify that you've done 80 hours of work

or community engagement over the past month, which doesn't sound like that much, but the act of doing that is a huge pain in the ass, right? Like there's a lot of infrastructure that's been in place, a lot of paperwork. They tried this in Arkansas and Georgia, and in Arkansas, I think like 17,000 people lost Medicaid because the infrastructure to like input this was not in place in Georgia, like literally like the

mascot they used, like the guy they used as like their face of the program lost his Medicaid three separate times because the like the database they that they used was was not properly put together. This will cause it's estimated I think 16 million people total to lose their health care, 11 million losing Medicaid, and 5 million losing ACA coverage. It's the biggest retrenchment of health care programs ever to exist in American history, following the biggest passive retrenchment of health care benefits under Medicaid unwinding post-COVID. We don't even know what's going to happen. All we know is that it's going to be bad. A lot of this

is going to be on the individual states to figure out how they want to implement their programs with less money. But there's no way out of this that doesn't kill a lot of people. I was looking at the work requirements and the takeaway I have from all of this is, I mean, it's difficult to say this without sounding, I guess, alarmist, but this would be the time to be alarmist. It does seem like they're trying to figure out the most acceptable, like what is the most acceptable way to cull people and the way that they have concluded is, well, the fewest amount of people will object to single adults with no children, but the Senate chose to expand that to people with children who are older than 14.

That's a really good point, right? Like, Medicaid expansion under the Affordable Care Act, kind of redefined the government role in health care, right? Previous to that Medicaid was like a welfare program that was attached to, you know, TAN for AFDC. It was a disability and super poor and child program. Under ACA expansion, under Medicaid expansion, there was an acknowledgement that like, insurance as a consumer good is just totally unaffordable for a lot of different kinds

of people. So therefore the government has an obligation to expand it, which is a pretty sound subtle, but it's a pretty radical transformation of the government's conception of its involvement in providing health care for its own people. And so the goal is to undo as much of that as possible. And you're right, like they picked a couple of populations who they thought they could really lean on. One was the theoretical, able-bodied, lazy, non-working adult, the guy that plays video games instead of getting a job, which for the record,

nothing wrong with that, Death Stranding 2 just came out, I'd much rather do that than work. But that's the like imaginary person they're creating as if somebody could get by, you know, on the Medicaid salary required and not be working, you know, 30 hours a week or whatever. And then the other one was the specter of undocumented immigrants who are, you know, taking away our Medicaid benefits. That's one they really leaned on in the past month or so. And I think that that line of rhetoric became like the de facto cover that so many swing state Republicans began using.

Well, yeah, I mean, like, along those lines, JD Vance this week posted of the big beautiful bill, he says the thing that will bankrupt this country more than any other policy is flooding the country with illegal immigration, and then giving those migrants generous benefits. The OBBB fixes this problem and therefore it must pass. And then he says everything else, the CBO score, the proper baseline and this quote is very telling. The minutiae of Medicaid policy is immaterial compared to the ICE money and immigration enforcement provisions. Like I said, what is the state. I mean like there is as you said, there is the specter of the 35 year old man playing video games in his mother's basement who's on Medicaid.

What about undocumented immigrants are they are they collecting a are they huge drain on Medicaid? Are they collecting Medicaid? So individual states so Medicaid is a state administered program individual states can set their own rules about who gets to use Medicaid. There's like a federal minimum and then states can add on to that. And so a couple of states like Minnesota, previously New York, went ahead and built in protections for undocumented people. You know, like really nothing like pretty basic, you know, like if you go to the like the ER, you get insurance kind of stuff.

Nothing too lavish. And states chose to expand that, which is great. I think every state should. And what the big, beautiful bill does, this was originally in the House. They modified it in the Senate. I don't know where exactly it lands now, is that it adds extra punishment and extra costs for states that choose to do that. I think the original language was that states that chose to expand Medicaid to undocumented people would get a 10% reduction in their federal

funding. It's hard to get cooler than that. They're forcing states to pit undocumented people and people with disabilities against each other. It's really the spend on top of that is the $80 billion for ICE or whatever? They're building the secret police and they're using the specter of immigration on all sides of the fucking ball here. Which really is some of the worst shit to happen in recent memory. Yeah. I mean, it's especially notable that they're doing this right amidst Trump, who sort of in a move similar to what Biden would do to Kamala, has sort of informally

given JD the wonderful job of selling this piece of shit. While Trump has kind of with Christina made these public appearances where he's like, I know that we said that immigrants are bad because they, you know, it's like wage competition that domestic workers cannot possibly compete with, but we actually talked to agribusiness and hotel owners and people who own restaurants and it turns out that's the only way this economy works is if they can do that. So we're not doing that enforcement, but we are going to keep ruining people's lives. Don't worry about that. But don't worry, we're still walking backwards into doing the same system that the past five

or six presidents have realized you need to have if you're going to have this kind of a service economy. But I am interested though in, I've seen a few examples of this, of regional hospital systems just preemptively saying, we're not going to be able to cover the shortfall of people using emergency rooms, of the greatly diminished receipts for just running these hospitals. But could you explain a little bit how Medicaid is kind of one of the last pillars keeping the American medical system in so much as it exists for the general public functioning?

Yeah, Medicaid is like a load-bearing pillar of society, and that's not hyperbolic, that's not an exaggeration. So Medicaid, among a bunch of other things, is one of the primary funders of healthcare in rural areas. In rural areas, you've got a disproportionately high number of people who are on Medicaid, so Medicaid's the primary funder of small clinics and rural hospitals. Some either directly paying for individual service acts or through providing like bulk

payments to hospitals. And that's the one thing, you know, Medicaid doesn't pay that much. Half of rural hospitals are like barely above water. Medicaid was the one thing keeping those in place. Oh, yeah, Tim, to that point, this is just from NPR's coverage of it. It says here the GOP's plan curtails a practice known as provider taxes that nearly every state has used for decades to increase Medicaid payments to hospitals, nursing homes, and other providers and to private managed care companies. States often use the federal money generated through the taxes to pay the institutions more than Medicaid would otherwise pay.

Medicaid generally pays lower fees for care than Medicare, the program for people over 65 and some with disabilities and private insurance. But thanks to provider taxes, some hospitals are paid more under Medicaid than Medicare, according to the Commonwealth Fund, a health research nonprofit. Hospitals in nursing homes say they use these extra Medicaid dollars to expand or add new services and improve care for patients. Yeah, so there's a couple of things happening there and I'll take those on. So the provider tax cut is after work requirements like the second biggest cut in the big

beautiful bill. Basically the way it works to simplify it is that federal government subsidizes, like if I spend a dollar on Medicaid, the way it works to simplify it is that federal government subsidizes, like if I spend a dollar on Medicaid, the federal government pitches in a buck fifty or whatever, right? It covers 60% of all Medicaid expenditures. So provider taxes, you're a hospital, I'm the state, I say give me a dollar in tax, you say okay, and then I spend a dollar that I got from you, but the feds kick in a buck 50. So overall we draw down more federal money,

which like sure can sound a little shifty, but it's been regulated at the federal level before. This is like a pretty accepted way that states pay for Medicaid because healthcare funding, healthcare payments are fundamentally not super affordable on a state level without massive federal subsidy. So cutting those and even decreasing them over time, again for expansion states, is like a fucking like stake through the heart of this thing that was shambling along keeping keeping healthcare functioning. And yeah, like there is there there is a study which which which indicates that some hospitals get paid more through Medicaid overall

through like these bonus payments than through Medicare, but it is worth pointing out that hospital finances like at large are super opaque. And so every hospital association will claim that every hospital's just like the brink of failure rural hospital, when you've actually got these massive hospital chains that are multi-billion dollar hospital systems that are nowhere near the level of impoverishment that the rural healthcare systems are. So you've got a real mix there. But rural healthcare systems are the ones that are really going to bear the brunt of

these costs. It's going to shut down a lot of clinics, a lot of hospitals in poor neighborhoods and in rural areas. The thing that I, I, I, at least that keeps sticking for me, uh, when I thought, when I thought about like the just generalized, like red state program of policy since about like 2021, uh, and since Dobbs, especially it has been like a suite of policies that broadly are like, okay, we need five times as many children that no one wants. We need a comprehensive like family abduction system.

We need a like a palatial surveillance system. But now, now like, it's just, if you live in a red state and a lot of blue states, but red states specifically for this, you can be forced into motherhood at gunpoint. And then you, I guess you will have to drive 700 miles to the nearest hospital to have the baby. And if you have a miscarriage or there's any difficulty in the pregnancy during that point, you will go to prison. I mean, you're absolutely right. They're tightening the screws further and further

and what's the bare minimum amount of dignity people are required to have to live in this country it's it's absolutely abominable and these Medicaid cuts are gonna I mean we don't necessarily know how they're gonna fuck people over because states need to figure out what to do with what they reduced funding but there's no way out of this that doesn't immiserate tens of millions of people across the country I think it's a it's it's poetic that JD Vance sort of emerged into the national consciousness with a book called hillbilly elegy. Because he's going to be authoring quite a few obituaries for poor white people in rural parts of the country

with this bill. And I thought it was very telling when he said he's but he's looked about like, the minutia of Medicaid policy as something that was trivial compared to the project of ethnically cleansing the country with ice. Yeah, I mean, I so I live in Wisconsin, which is a purple state. We've got a couple of swing districts. And the one I have been focusing on most is in the far west side of the state. We've got this guy, Derek Van Orden.

You might have heard of him. He gets in the news a lot for getting really, really drunk and yelling at children. That's not a joke. He does that a good bit. Well, I mean, he does represent the great state of Wisconsin. That's true. He's one of us. What can I say?

So I was following him as like kind of my thermometer or my barometer for where the argument was at. And at the beginning of it, you know, he wanted to back away from saying there'd be any cut to Medicaid. You know, anybody who deserves Medicaid will still have Medicaid. The notion of deservingness, of course, being a pretty, pretty nuance there. And then over time, that shifted to, oh, no, it's all the, you know, the immigrants that are that are stealing our money, whatever. It's that's, that's where they all indexed on was Medicaid isn't even an issue. We just need to take care of, you know, fraud, waste and abuse means undocumented immigrants taking our money. That's just, that's, that's what

they live with. And I mean, you know, this is a bit beyond the scope of healthcare. But I think that's a consequence of Democrats totally backing away from the immigrant argument at all over the past four years. They opened the door for the... They would have justified this regardless with any kind of... I don't think that Democrat weakness led to Medicaid cuts. Well, this particular line of rhetoric, I think, is a direct consequence of there being no positive articulation of immigration during the Biden presidency. You're 100% right. I mean, the democratic response, and it was before the election of Trump, there was already some concessions, because that was sort of the popularest thing that like, this sort

of like a broadly defined, but extremely harsh immigration regime at the federal level. Like it pulled pretty well during the latter Biden years, at least according to some. But just Democrats broadly concurring with the idea that, yeah, no, this is a central problem for everything, just everything. Well, yeah, if you just concur on that basis, it will get used for the central parts of every GOP platform for the last 50, 60, 70 years, which is obliterating any part of the New Deal legacy or anything beyond that, obliterating any part of the New Deal legacy or anything beyond that obliterating any any part of the threadbare Welfare state and I don't know how I mean, I think a lot of them just didn't think about about it or they are pro austerity themselves

But some could be short-sighted enough to actually be surprised that this is coming back and biting these threadbare programs that are the only thing that keep a lot of any facet of American health care or anything functioning. You had some nominal dissenters over the past few months, right? Think of Josh Hawley, for example. People that said, no, we can't cut Medicaid. You know, my state depends upon this thing to keep functioning. We should talk about that in a second. There's some really interesting popular victories there, but they all folded. Everybody folded. You know, Lisa Murkowski said, you know, I'm going to vote for this bill, but I hope it doesn't pass.

Like they all fucking folded once Trump came to the office. You know, you had a couple of senators and a couple of guys in the House, most of whom were, you know, on the far right, who said they weren't going to vote for the bill. And then Trump comes to their office and gives them a signed hat or whatever. And they all fucking fold. Well, Tim, do you think that that makes such an interesting juxtaposition with how the Biden administration handled their signature domestic policy agenda, which the the build back, the infrastructure bill, like a very clear that Trump

quarterback this bill and he wanted it passed and they weren't going to split the bill into two different things like Biden did. Like the contrast here could not be more telling, in my opinion, between how these two parties approach. So, like, I mean, just the effort that Trump will undertake to pass probably one of the most unpopular bills in American history versus Biden just trying to fill potholes. It just seems like for some reason that like when the Democrats are in power, they just can't do anything. They can't get Joe Manchin to fucking come on board with this bill. There's no

there's no pressure that they can put on him. I mean, by the way, this is the most unpopular major bill. I mean, since we have begun polling major bills, this is the single most unpopular one. And need I remind people, one of Joe Biden's sales pitches was, hey, all these Bernie plans look great, but who do you want working the phones in Congress? Yes. I'm the guy that can get it done.

So it's, another thing that really bothers me about this is that, yes, this is an insanely unpopular bill, but nobody knows about it. Like that's the fucking thing. Like 8% of people knew that Medicaid cuts were in this bill. That's a total like a good contrast is comparing why the ACA was not repealed in 2017 and why Medicaid was just hacked to pieces. You know the activists, the disability community was just as loud now as they were in 2017. A lot of the professional organizing and activist class was just as loud now as it was in 2017.

And you can't, you know, I don't want to imply that this bill was passed with the consent of the Democrats. That's not how this happens. But the level of volume that the Hakeem Jeffries and James Carville wing of the party made for the big beautiful bill was zero. Nobody was fucking getting on TV. Very few people were pounding the pavement. A total like abdication of their responsibility to make noise few people were pounding the pavement. A total abdication

of their responsibility to make noise and draw attention to the bill. And as a result, fucking, this is going to be a surprise and miseration for a lot of people. And there is no clear articulation of who's causing the problem and why the problem is being caused and what the way out of it is. It's just a total fucking failure from the Democratic wing of the party. I mean, when you say that, Tim, I mean, you say that there was nothing, that this is the most important thing that they should be focusing on. You're forgetting that they spent all week fretting about the popular Democratic mayoral candidate who just won a primary. You know what? I forgot that the fact that he checked off that he was African or whatever

on his Columbia application is way more important than 17 million people losing Medicaid. I forgot that, uh, the fact that he checked off that he was African or whatever, and his Columbia application is way more important than 17 million people losing Medicaid. I remember when we were, when we were talking about, um, that period from, uh, about like the last two months of 2024, when like Ruben Gallego and all those people, um, you know, Federman, especially, they were taking a very Federman-esque path of, um, you know, going, especially they were taking a very Federman as path of, um, you know, going, okay, I guess this is the most popular thing now. And there's no, I

mean, this is just how it's going to be from now until indefinite. And there's no, there's certainly no precedent of Republican administrations, um, becoming radioactively unpopular by instituting austerity. That's just not going to happen. And it even like, it took until like the first like month of the legislative agenda of the Trump administration, uh, for any Democrats to remember, Oh, right. We're ostensibly supposed to be against austerity. At least some of us.

I maybe even in that time, I would have thought that a bill this bad, literally the most unpopular bill of all time that is an actual bill and not like one of those weird stunt bills that like, you know, the Blue Dog Caucus puts out where it's like, let's give all of our B2 bombers to Israel. That like that would not awaken the party, but they could do like the bare minimum as they are want to do sometimes. But no, this is just, I guess they tried in their own way, but it is, it's kind of like the, it's kind of like the same idea of Biden going out there and trying to work the phones like LBJ or something. I guess he could try to do that, but what result would you get?

Yeah. It's the same thing. If Hakeem Jeffries was doing a 50 state tour in opposition to the bill, what outcome would you actually get? It's not even that they're doing a bad job. I mean, they are. But that even if they were doing everything that they were supposed to do, they would not be able to do it. They would not be able to really make a dent, I don't think.

Well, I mean, I think you have to question as well, like, as far as the Democratic leadership of the party, like, I don't think that they really are. I don't think they really have a problem with cutting Medicaid because I think it gets to this idea. And I want to talk about work requirements. I think it cuts to the heart of this idea is that like they don't like the idea of undeserving people getting something for free. And I think that really bothers them. And like, I know that they like have to publicly say that we support it and these cuts are disastrous and terrible. But like, I think that's a little good cop bad cop routine going

on with the passage of this bill. Because I think like, the Democratic Party, like, I think they are hostile to the idea of quote unquote, entitlements, and that someone could be not working and have health insurance. Well, I think this, I agree in the sense that this is the extension of the the great compulsion towards means testing Which has taken a stranglehold on the liberal approach to benefit programs for the past 60 years, right? the idea that you must find like the absolute must find like the absolute smallest number of deserving people and give them the benefit

and really, you know, I talked to a guy in Calcana, Wisconsin, who has one of those jobs where his monthly income is variable, right? And I think he was a cobbler and depending on how he like made prosthetic feet, which is cool. But like the based on the volume of work he did each month, his income would fluctuate. So some months he had enough, some he didn't make enough and he qualified for Medicaid and some months he would make one or two feet too many and get kicked off his insurance. That's stupid. You know, it's feast or famine when it comes to foot accidents. Sometimes there's a lot, sometimes it's pretty sparse.

Completely fucking ridiculous and like it's it is worth acknowledging that this is under the like system of health care health insurance allotment that Obama came up with, right? Like this is the the ACA plan that again, like we acknowledge quietly that health care as a consumer good is not affordable for regular people, right? Nobody I know can afford to pay for all their healthcare costs out of pocket because people I know are generally not multi-billionaires. So we have to do something to make sure they can afford that healthcare. And because healthcare costs skyrocket every year and we're doing fucking nothing to bring them down, those premiums that get passed on through private insurance also aren't affordable.

So we're gonna like put together this hybrid model where people who are profitable get subsidies that we pay directly to private insurers and people who aren't, you know, the low income, the sick, the poor, we'll just nut up and pay for their healthcare directly, even though there is, you know, some private profit cutting in the middle of that there.

But yeah, there was so much reluctance to expanding healthcare as a federal benefit program beyond even that minuscule 138%. And I do think there is a schism in the party. I believe there are the real freaks who want to drown Medicaid or make it as small as possible. But I have seen a lot of people, you know, Mark Pocan from Madison, Gwen Moore from Milwaukee, who have come out and articulated a demand for things like Medicare for all, which I think is literally the only way out of this. Even if we manage to undo four years from now, knock on wood, everything that this bill does, simply avoiding catastrophe is not promoting justice right medicare was pretty fucked up to begin with you not enough people had it didn't pay enough to a lot of problems there and you can't just like.

Hope you can partially undo some of the disaster and get to a good place i really do think that the only way to. think that the only way to even attempt to undo and build off of and improve the absolute catastrophe we're facing down is through a federal universal single payer program. And I can't predict the future. You know, in 2015, I never would have told you that Medicare for all would be like the topic of conversation in the 2020 primaries. So I don't want to say in either direction whether that's going to become a thing again, whether we'll have a fucking

country or an election in a couple of years. I don't want to predict that either. But I think that's the only way forward. I think that's the only conceivable way to articulate a vision of healthcare in this country that isn't such fucking stupid ping pong back and forth with the nihilists. I mean, it is astounding. If there was any other product where it is, as you said, it is impossible for most people to afford it without government subsidy. If Netflix was like that. And also it sucked.

No one really, no one really liked it. Like if you had to pay, you have to pay for Netflix by a monthly subscription and then you had to pay again when you wanted to watch an episode of a TV show. That would be the if you want to watch like pain and gain. And then it puts on like Bridgerton on a Bangladeshi dog. And then you have to then you have to set aside like the next three days to work through like a phone bank to talk to somebody. And then they're like, well, we can offer you like a coupon

if you want to watch Bosch, because we have a coupon that allows you to use Amazon streaming service for three days. But only if you make all Americans only if you make ten thousand dollars less this year. No one would allow that. We're offering all Americans a voucher to watch one sketch from I Think You Should Leave every year. Yeah.

But I feel the same way about predicting the future. But knowing that, we talked a little bit about how Medicaid is kind of the pillar holding this entire thing up. In your best estimate, what do you think this looks like after implementation? Like in your worst-case scenario where, yeah, it just, this just goes on unfettered. It's very easy to think about Medicaid as affecting just Medicaid recipients, right? You know, a thing I see a lot of the time is that we all kind of assume healthcare or health policy or Medicaid is a thing

that happens to other people. But the consequences of cutting Medicaid are way broader reaching than just the 80 million people that use Medicaid, right? You've got medical workers at like a lot of facilities, again, like- Just the 80 million people who use it. Yeah, just 80 million people.

Yeah. Just 40 million people. Yeah. Um, just 40% of American, you know, it's, it's no problem. It's just those guys, but like, you know, um, there's a, uh, workers, this, this, this is a workers rights issue as well. Not just at, um, you know, the clinics that need a Medicaid to stay afloat, but home health workers, long- care workers, county health care programs. Like there's a, I talked to a guy, I talked to a guy's mom, he uses a county health care program. He's nonverbal autism in the county health care program, gave him job training and picks him up on a bus and takes him to work. That's all funded by Medicaid, you know?

So that bus driver, that county health care worker, that job training program, that bus, like all that shit goes away if Medicaid is cut. They've also got entire parts of the country where Medicaid is the one thing propping the hospital up. I was in a Wild Rose, Wisconsin, which I think is like population 680, small fucking town, two gas stations, one of them has a gigantic Israeli flag. And I talked to a guy,

a gigantic Israeli flag. I talked to a guy, nice guy, who was like, listen, I'm 72 or whatever. I had a heart attack two years ago. And the only reason I'm alive is because the local hospital, which, you know, was 15 minutes away, was able to save my life. But this is an area where 40% of children are in Medicaid. Like what happens if Medicaid gets cut? Will that hospital still be there? And I got to say, like, I don't know, man. Like, it's very probable that it won't be. You know, hospital systems don't keep individual hospitals open out of charity. They are money making, you know, they're profit seeking organizations, even if they're not for profit, and they will close facilities that serve that this like, that are, that are the only things that serve like entire regions

of the US. If they don't get those Medicaid dollars, people will get fucked over. So you've got like, massive constituencies here, well beyond you know, that that mere 80 million people that use Medicaid. And I, it's going to be up to somebody to define that constituency to say, listen, this shit affects all of us in so many ways, whether we're filling out the Medicaid application or not, not of course, to mention friends and family and loved ones. This is like, as it's not universal, but it's as universal a healthcare issue as I can think of in America right now.

And people, that thread needs to be drawn. You've got to make that argument. I see little foundations of it here and there, but that's, I think, the million dollar question. Can somebody really piece that together at the popular level? Yeah, that is something we've talked about a lot with like, you know, homeless policy on a municipal and state level, that it is in effect deputizing every person who lives in any city with a housing problem that's that bad and automatically deputizing them as an unpaid volunteer police officer, social worker, or whatever else. That is now your role if you live in a city where the problem is bad enough.

With Medicaid, like you're describing, it is suddenly this massive tax of time, energy, of life away from people. I remember you describing that the last time you were on, the extra moments of life that just even the bare minimum of care affords people. Something I was thinking about with this is one of the only vectors of like social mobility or even just treading water in America is for someone to get like a nursing degree or to work as a radiology tech. When all these hospital systems are just they have to preemptively shut down or are forced to shut down when whatever type of health care facility per capita in a lot of these rural places where people are much poorer,

when they have to go away, what does that do to employment? You know, you reminded me of a woman I talked to in North Milwaukee. North Milwaukee is the part of Milwaukee that's been like totally, was like the red line neighborhood, total structural divestment, like a lot of very poor people

and what's a majority black neighborhood. And I talked to a young woman maybe 23 or 24 who is a home health worker for her mother so Medicaid pays for her mother's home health and therefore pays her salary and so she does home health for her mother eight hours a day and goes to class in the evenings and this will literally uproot every single part of her life her mother will no longer get home health. She won't have a job and her ability to pay for education will no longer be there. And also worth noting now they're capping student loan ceilings as well. So it's just this woman's just fucked. There is like, this is like they're

getting they're getting her from every fucking possible angle. It's like they don't want any opportunity for someone to like work or help anyone unless you're in being a crypto trader or just gambling on sports. Actually, actually, no, actually, the big beautiful bill does tax gambling, wins and losses. That's the one thing in it that I do that I do approve of. Yeah. I mean, the only way that you were a full American citizen is if you were a member of the Hillel chapter.

Yeah. But Tim, to go back to this idea about like a tax on people's time and dignity, like I just talked about, like, what is the reality of these, like the work requirements and not just like the tax on people's time and dignity that it imposes on people who like want to claim benefits. But also like the tax on the time and resources of the government itself to follow up and like make checkup on all the paperwork of everyone to see if they qualify or not. Like how to like isn't isn't that a massive drain on the resources of the state that could be using that could be used to just provide care for people in terms of this like ridiculous system of

having to check if someone's worked 80 hours a week or if they're doing community service or if their kids are young enough or what like what is the reality? What does that look like in the lives of people who previously like would have qualified for Medicaid? But now we're faced with this like series of hurdles and hoops that they have to jump through. You know, I was in Tennessee in 2019. I think I was in, outside of Nashville. And I talked to a lawyer who was facing this exact circumstance that he was representing a client who was trying to enroll in Medicaid and get a disability certification. And literally the office he went to did not share a database environment with a different

office the guy had moved from. There was no fucking infrastructure whatsoever to like build this kind of thing in the state. You've hit exactly what's going to happen. Like there is no funding. Wait, there is no infrastructure there. A lot of states will not hire the people they need to like enforce these programs or build the data resources or the technical infrastructure. Yeah, it's just fucking.

But if all will try to be in compliance with this new regime and find themselves unable to because the states themselves will not have the resources to confirm or check up if on their compliance. Of the kind of the prototype we have is during Medicaid unwinding, which happened under Biden, though I'm not going to say was Biden's fault, although he didn't advocate for it pretty hard. 70% of people who lost Medicaid following the COVID freeze, lost it for procedural or paperwork reasons, because

the computer system wasn't able to like process them in time, or didn't have their eligibility records or something got fucked up or paperwork got misfiled. Like, listen, like in my day job, I help build software to help enroll people in Medicaid. And it's really fucking hard. It's hard, even if you have a person like by your side, walking you through the entire process,

the volume of paperwork you need to collect and put in an application and get processed and check up on, that's literally a full-time job. And if all of a sudden you're adding a whole new fucking dimension to it, because not only are they adding monthly work requirement attestations, they're also adding twice annual recertification.

You have to reapply TODA tip from Medicaid every six months. There is no fucking universe in which any state has the infrastructure to support that right now. And most states aren't going to find the money to do it in the coming years. Also, one thing I do want to call out is it's very easy to say, oh, this only affects, you know, the, let's say turning 37 in two weeks, your old guy who plays Death Stranding 2 all day long. No, like if you were... Gotta build those roads.

We're not building roads in America, so we gotta build them in Australia. Gotta have infrastructure somewhere, you know? People with disabilities, there's like an assumption that like they get a pass or an exemption, which is like correct if you can file the paperwork to prove that you're disabled, which is like a lot of fucking work. If you talk to anybody with a chronic long-term disability, getting that certification from the state really really sucks and they fucking check up on you every month to see if you're still disabled to qualify for SSDI. Like you are not spared work requirement paperwork if you have like a major

disability. It's got to fill out a different form instead. Yeah, they're fucking drowning people. Like, well, what this is, is it's a statement that the time value of living, if you are poor or you are disabled, is not worth anything. And so fuck you. Fill this shit out and chase it down. If you can't. Sorry, bitch. You don't get health care this month. Well, it looks this goes back to what you said about like, this is sort of a strategy of sort of how many people can we literally just call who are net drains on society because they're disabled or poor like it is it too strong to describe like the thinking behind this as sort of a kind of passive action T4?

I mean, it's it is eugenics, you know, at some point, it's not hyperbolic to use that term, which I use pretty sparingly because that has a similar connotation. This is social murder, right? The Engels phrase for when you put stuff to get like, when you don't actively kill somebody, but you just permit them to die through the existence of structures that make their lives worse, whatever, right?

If you don't take care of pollution and crowding and cramped work environments, people die as a result and you let that happen, that's social murder. This is that. This is a form of eugenic policy. And I, you know, that's pretty open and shut. This is a process by which people who are vulnerable, people who need help, who again, worth remembering, could be literally any one of us in this call a month from now if shit breaks the wrong way. It's a way of letting them die because it's a hassle to take care of them otherwise and because they don't inspire or engender the pity

or sympathy at a structural and social level. I don't think it's hyperbolic to claim that this one big beautiful bill is a manifestation of eugenic healthcare policy. Even if the states had funding to unify their databases, to proceduralize these recertifications, just the idea of making someone like a fucking 30-year-old who just caught a shit break and they have ALS, you know, 30 years before is even normal to have this extremely low percentage disease. Making them go through this thing twice annually is fucking, that is indignity enough.

But in practice, think about at the federal level, where there is money for this, where you are supposed to do things right and have the resources to do that. How the implementation of things like the no fly list. Think about the implementation of these ice roundups where they regularly take people who have identification or have their fucking birth certificate on them somehow. Oh no, it doesn't count. That doesn't look real. Like, there is just no universe where you don't boot millions of people who actually do qualify under these extremely fucking brutal

standards where you just don't boot them off. And yeah, that is, I completely agree. That is the eugenics program. You're absolutely right. You know, people who, you know, even if you accept the frame of deservingness, which I don't, and neither do you guys, but like if you accept the frame of eligibility or whatever, right?

People who are legally eligible for Medicaid are going to lose Medicaid. That's kind of the point. It is a sieving process. And instead we're blackbegging kindergartners. You know, that's where we're allocating our funds. It's a, shit has got kind of fucked up and bullshit. Don't forget the Golden Dome Missile Shield Project.

Oh my God. With the technology that only exists in Metal Gear Solid 1. They say they're launching anti-ballistic, the science isn't even out on how good anti-ballistic missiles are. You know why? Because there aren't a lot of instances of people firing a ton of ballistic missiles at North America. But for the most part, missile defense in a lot of cases is saying, I think as easy as it is to shoot someone,

just as easily, I can slice a bullet out of this guy with a katana. I mean, in that sense, Hideo Kojima's vision of Medigrassal is a little bit aspirational, because if we had a fucking like, if we had that cyborg ninja, like things would be a little bit different around here, you know? You're that ninja.

I've been waiting for you, Snake. Who are you? Neither enemy nor friend. I am back from a world where such words are meaningless. I've removed all obstacles. Now you and I will battle to the death. What do you want? I've waited a long time for this day.

Now I want to enjoy the moment. What's with these guys? It's like one of my Japanese animes. I'm glad we brought up eugenics because I want to get to the next thing I want to talk about. But Felix, before I do that, I have a tweet that was selected specifically to make you mad and I'm just wondering if I can share it right now. All right. All right.

Is this the JD tweet? No, no. This is this is Aaron Rupar, one of your favorites. Let's go. We don't like him, but he is the best. Well, I mean, like America. Yeah. So like this is Aaron, like his heart's in the right place. But this is a tweet that is constructed specifically, I think, to make you mad.

I don't do part posts to the other day. The interesting thing about the Diddy verdict is that House Republicans are about to vote to take away health care from tens of millions of Americans. that House Republicans are about to vote to take away health care from tens of millions of Americans. What a fucking point is he trying to make? Well, he said that we should care about the ditty break. We should care about the tens of millions of people losing their health care, which I agree with, which I agree with.

I just, me and Andrew from E1 were talking about this recently, how there's like a shitty type of backpack rap where they say everything is a distraction. Everything is like a distraction from lyricism. You were focusing on Kendrick versus Drake, but not lyricism. It's like, oh, silly me. How could I be so fooled? And this is, I mean, I haven't really, I, this is a very like Trump one style of tweet where it would be like, Oh, did you hear about Sean Mendez? And it would be a link and it would be like a registered vote.

I just, I just, um, I'm going to guess that got seventy thousand retweets. So distraction failed. Yeah. So, yeah, that was our new part. But but since we're talking about eugenics, I didn't want to talk about the really like the the perfect story that sums up the New York Times as an institution, because this story broke right after we got recording, got done recording on Thursday. But like by now, you've probably heard about it or already forgotten about it. Basically, to give a rundown here, Columbia University was hacked sometime in 2024.

And basically all the admissions data of tons of students who applied to Columbia and their applications was hacked. And basically, Nazis decided to dig around into data students who applied to Colombia and their applications was hacked and basically Nazis decided to dig around into data to determine whether Colombia was secretly doing affirmative action or something but basically are in the applications was a Zoran Mamdani's application for to Colombia and in it he checked the boxes for ethnicity of both Asian and He checked the boxes for ethnicity of both Asian and African American or slash black. And then, like, I think he specified from Uganda because he thought that was the best representation of his, I don't know, ethnic background or makeup. I don't like the point is that like this data, like the the broker, the middleman who gave the New York Times this data is a big I don't think I would be speaking out of turn to say he is a

eugenicist neo Nazi with gums like Mr. Ed, whose name is Jordan Lasker. But he the New York Times described him as let's see here, the data was shared with the Times by an intermediary who goes by the name Cremu on substack and X. He provided the data under condition of anonymity, although his identity has been made public elsewhere. He is an academic who opposes affirmative action and often writes about IQ and race, which is a very gentle way of putting what this guy's main area of concerns are. He used a blog under the username TrannyPorno on Reddit, and some of his articles that he's written include the myth of Nigerian excellence. National IQs are valid. Intermarriage in America post-Loving V Virginia.

How many sexual misconduct allegations are false and food deserts are not real? By the way, with this guy, he is, to use the term coined by Brace, a hebephile. His sister, by the way, making the only post worth recording ever on Blue Sky, posted a lot about Creamy Jordan. What I remember mostly is Creamy Jordan is lying to his fiance about being Jewish and having a bar mitzvah when really he converted. And I have to say, like I used to really not think about filial semitism a lot.

I just, I think if I ever thought about it, you know, 10, 11, 12 years ago, I thought, oh, that's nice of them. Now, I only think that about the Japanese one. If you are a Westerner who's a filio semi, you should start out in prison and have to earn your way out because all of it's all maniacs like this guy. This guy like it's all fucking freaks all the way down. No den Fujitas. Yeah, his sister writes he eventually dropped out of

Southern because he was destroying his body with steroids. But before that, he joined a Jewish fraternity and changed his name to Hebrew on Facebook. He isn't Jewish. He made it up because he's obsessed with the racial concept of the Jew. And apparently, like, he's also fabricated quite a lot of his academic background as well. And it seems cliche, but like, is there a single person who's obsessed with race and IQ and eugenics who isn't a thoroughly

unremarkable and mediocre person in every regard, who needs a grand narrative about how their birthright is being denied them by immigrants or non white people or something but like, they seem like he just couldn't hack it in his own profession or quarter of academia. Again, among the things that his sister revealed, he told his family that he'd graduated, he defended his PhD thesis, and he's a PhD, now he's a doctor, but don't come out because it's not a big deal.

That's what like shitty sons do when they're like, I've actually been going to community college. Doing that with a PhD where you can look it up. And they did, they looked it up to see is our son creamy Jordan, one of the new doctors. No, he wasn't. I mean, this get like, they should have written an expose, a, you know, we disgusting man found well, the next guy that Trump should kill.

That should have been their article. Yeah, I mean, he also did some light sex tourism blogging as well. But like I bring all this up because, OK like he was the intermediary for, you know, private data that was hacked, and then, you know, published in a the paper of record. And I'm not making an argument here about whether the journalistic ethics of publishing hacked material, like, for instance, the New York Times did not publish the hacked material that like, I don't know, Iranian hackers got about JD Vance's

like the APA research file on him. Maybe there was nothing worth publishing in there. But I just like the circumstances of how this story came to get published and why they chose to give Grant anonymity to and credibility to this particular source. I mean like that the Times Public Editor had to do like a 40 tweet thread trying to justify it and 40 tweet thread trying to justify it. And look, you can make an argument about how newsworthy you think Zoran Mamdani's application to Colombia. A school I should mention that he didn't even get into despite the fact that his dad is a professor there.

So it's like, hey, I don't really even know what I'm supposed to be mad at in this story. But like the point I want to make is if Zoran Mondani had lost the primary or if his platform were merely just free buses and childcare and that like they did not try to make this entire primary a referendum on his support or non-support for Israel if He had lost this this article would not have been published and if he was within the Zionist millhouse they would not have used it Jordan creamy as the as the anonymous interlocutor to a sort of mainstream. This privately private data that was hacked. Like, I think this is like this is another time they're not taking this lying down and they're going to keep going with shit like this, no matter how badly it embarrasses them.

Yeah. And also, like and also no matter how much this exposes so much of the I don't know, abundance online sphere as being hand in glove with these like IQ neo Nazi eugenicists. Well, yeah, he spoke at the same conference as David Shore, I believe. Yep. Interesting. You know, popularism would mean one thing in 1936 Germany. I'll tell you that. But to me, it's not just Biden that will torch his whole thing for Israel.

It's even like liberal institutions who you would think would know better. Everyone will do it. I mean, look at what Bill Ackman did to his own life. This was a guy with like $7 billion and now all he does is write essays that no one reads on X, the everything site. Like if you're into Israel, you are in for it for the long haul. It's kind of like how if you're a British person who discovers transphobia, it becomes literally the only thing you talk about for the subsequent 10 years. That's American Zionism.

Oh my god, Kim, you're right. The two most important reactionary thinkers of the last 20 years, it's not fucking Mold Bug. The two guys, Graham Linehan and Demonious X. Those are the two guys. Whenever I see Graham Linehan, it's always a fucking jumpscare. I keep forgetting he actually looks like that. It's not a Photoshop. But I'm just I'm looking at I'm looking at a photo of

Jordan Creamy, a.k.a. Tranny Porno. And I just like I have to come back to this idea. Like, is is there any person who is obsessed with race and IQ and racial hierarchy, who has any accomplishments in their own life worth being proud of? Like the people who need to feel that like they are the beneficiary of some racial lineage that has been unfairly denied them. It's like, do you have anything in your own life to be proud of?

Do you have anyone around you who likes you or talks to you? The guys who index on race and IQ seem to have as their primary accomplishments writing about race and IQ and have a self-fulfilling problem. Yeah. Yeah. The only guy I can think of and he I wouldn't say he's obsessed with race. He's and he's actually really against the concept of IQ and actually creamy Jordan had a feud with him, but he's obsessed with genetics.

Oh, and that's the good doctor. Dr. Tullab. Dr. Tullab. He's he's like, he's anti IQ. Yeah, he right. He's anti IQ, but he loves genetic. Well, he loves the Phoenician scheme. But that's like, you know, whatever, you know, how far like I don't. Hey, I'm not Phoenician. Anyway, this story has really not gotten the traction that they had hoped it would be.

Because like, I don't know, like once again, like I don't know what I'm supposed to be mad at Zoran Mamdani doing. Not getting into Columbia, checking the wrong box on his college application. I mean, the guy was born in Uganda, lived in South Africa before he came to America. Yeah. And like, by the way, wasn't the big cultural lesson we're supposed to do like, Hey, if you made a mistake like this, when you were not even like this, something like actually like bad when you were 17, that shouldn't follow you for the rest of your life unless you criticize Israel. Yeah. At any point in any of the 20 the rest of your life after that. I'm like, well, yeah. And this goes back to my original point.

Like, there's no way you can tell me the times would have regarded this story or like the story is newsworthy or their source as credible. Had Zoro and Mamdani lost the primary or had he won the primary and been inside the Zionist tent? They would have been good. They would probably be covering for him now. If this was the case, even if you think that like he this was some, you know, like this was a cynical attempt to gain the college admissions system, which is like, you know, fair enough if you want to believe that, like colleges.

And like that's another thing. People care too much about college. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. Yeah, I should do with college. And it's just like, once again, he didn't even get into Columbia. If you wanted to make fun of him, you should make the story should be he didn't get into Columbia, despite having that kind of immigrant background and his dad being a famous professor. This makes me like him more.

This is this is fail son echo. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, that means he tried to like do a webcomic or something. I you know, well, you're completely right. I've seen so many childless people talking about how sad they are about the death of the SAT. Like what is wrong with you? You mania. I remember the last time I took the SAT. And like, and this was after like, all the all the all the all the practice tests, like the like, I took the SAT twice. And the last

time I took it, that was the last standardized test I ever took in my life. And oh, wait, no, I took the GR days. I didn't study for it, though. I remember leaving this classroom of where it was administered. I remember just feeling like this immense sense of relief watched over me because I was like, this is the last time in my life I will ever think about or care about standardized testing ever again. And like some people, it just never ends. Yeah. You know, one of my

one of eight thousand things that specifically annoys me is this obsession with theater kids. Everyone thinks everyone that's annoying is a theater kid, which by the way, middle school was 50 years ago for all of us. The youngest Zoomer is 47. Let's let it go with the theater kid stuff. It's not, you know, it's not theater kids who are talking every day about advanced placement scores and the death of the SAT and how, like, how it's the admission standards for like Texas Tech are unfair now.

It's STEM people or failed STEM people that write these blogs called like, you know, the quantum of identity. Well, yeah, I mean, it's just like it's such a perfect New York Times disaster, because like, they just don't know what to do. And, and I think like this has to be understood in the context of like their long series of errors about surrounding this mayoral race. Because remember, like a while ago, they were like, we're not going to endorse

local races anymore. We want to be a national paper. Yeah. And then they came up with like the council of wise learned New Yorkers to endorse. And like it was too varied. And then they did the the editorial saying Zoran's not fit to be mayor by a guy written by a guy who lives in Washington, D.C. full time, David Lennon. And then and then like that wasn't good enough.

Zoran won the primary easily and is going and let's be honest, is going to win in November. Like I think there's I think there's almost no doubt of that because him losing depends on Andrew Cuomo and Eric Adams and their supporters and like engaging in some sort of coordinated action in which one of them will have to drop out. And the question is, even if that were the case, and they like consolidated support, who, who is a stronger

candidate, Andrew Cuomo or Eric Adams? Well, Andrew Cuomo, you have to understand that this primary was unfair for him. Can you think of a worse base of support for Andrew Cuomo than New York City registered Democrats? So I think when they open it up. Well, what kind of make it a toss up for me is if Cuomo and Adams come to an agreement where Cuomo runs for mayor, but Adams gets to hang out the entire time, whenever a hookah bar opens, Eric Adams gets to do all three.

I was planning on coming out to Canvas for Zuron in September, but Eric Adams' preeminent nightlife mayor situation might make it a little harder to decide. Well, if it becomes a contest, let's just say I have done some in-house polling about my favorability with New York and I will be doing anti-canvassing for the so-called to dissociate myself from him and attach myself to whoever the New York Times candidate is to bring them down by a good 12 points. Yes that's the controversy we didn't get to last week but if you've already forgotten about it I don't blame them because like the

whole thing is a complete shambles. They got they got nothing. They got nothing and they have still not really gotten to the fact that they tried to make this primary a referendum on Israel and it failed. And in fact, by making it a referendum on Israel, they they increase Zoran's chances of winning. They probably greatly increased his support. That is one of the most insane choices that they could have. Like Jesus Christ. Like, Jesus, because like everything like they still haven't gotten it, because it's like it's been a week since it's been like two weeks since he won. Now, I can't even remember. And every time I see on TV, they're like, he supported Hamas in a rap song he did 15 years ago. And I'm like, I already voted for him. You don't need to sell it this hard.

Yeah. By the way, it was he supported people who donated to a charity in Palestine that the federal government loves doing this. We've decided that charity that your bank had no problem doing the transfer with because the Treasury Department okayed it. That's Hamas now. So you're going to prison for the rest of your life. I mean, I don't know what it is if they legitimately just are in denial that this is now like an 80 20 issue with the Democratic base. They are in denial about it. And like that's why I think like they thought that this was a silver bullet

because because like this goes to the heart of like identity issues and like and sort of like designed to just drive a like a wedge between Zeron and his supporters and like and black people in this country that like he was sort of unjustly claiming their the racial identity of African-American to game the system. But like I said, I think it's a pretty limp effort. I don't think anyone really cares all that much. But like but this is in lieu of the fact that they cannot deal with the fact that he's not he's not toeing the line on Israel. And that like that is no longer not just no longer a liability,

it's actually a benefit to you in the Democratic primary. The Zionist lobby is totally overplayed its hand, and especially in this election. Right? You're right. It's the issue has flipped, especially among young Democrats. And I think a lot of what happens in two and four years comes down to whether or not the Democratic Party leaders can reckon with that, or if they, like the Columbia alumni group chat, go fucking apeshit about this and try to make it

a bigger and bigger and bigger issue every single election. I, you know, we said we're out of the prediction racket, but I have one on, I have a pretty I have a pretty a pretty solid prediction about which route they're going to go down on this. But I think it's funny because I think all the attacks on him is like they keep presuming and keep wanting him to run an identity politics campaign, which he very strenuously did not do. And that's why they're making everything now about his identity as a Muslim,

as an Indian, as an African, because like he's not really doing that. I mean, he'll mention it, but like he's mentioning it. He never talks about himself and like his struggle. He just talks about like he always brings it back to the experiences of New Yorkers writ large. And like he like he ran an affordability campaign and like he did not run the identity politics campaign. And I think the interesting is like the oppo, the attacks on him are all sort of like predicated on this idea that he did run an identity politics campaign. It's all about being, you know, New York's first Muslim there or, you know, upholding immigrant voices and spaces and whatnot. Yeah, I don't want to glaze the guy too hard because I do need to anti-cannabis to make sure, but, um, I don't think it's an

exaggeration to say that both Zoran the guy and Zoran's campaign are a result of someone who actually learned all the lessons of the last 10 years of the American left. All at least all, all from all the public failures. Yeah. And among those are yeah, not not, you know, saying I'll be New York City's first woke mayor. If I can tie both half of the episodes together with some of something on that, I when I first

came on a couple months ago, I was launching a series of talks across Wisconsin. I think I did 16 or 18 talks across Wisconsin in the past few months. And we don't have enough urban areas for us all to be urban. So a lot of them were like in really rural or small or even conservative areas. And I talked to a lot of people who don't see themselves represented in like the Democratic-Republican paradigm or whatever, right? I think the idea that we live in a country of quiet socialists has not been proven true, especially in Wisconsin, which is genuinely a purple state, but talking to people about these very real health care issues and how they shape their life and what this means for people like them and people they care about was an entry point for people who are otherwise completely checked out of the political process.

And I, you know, there is, I don't want to see Medicaid cuts in terms of electoral potential. I think that's a little nasty. But I mean, the person who goes out there and makes the argument, kind of what we saw with Bernie 2016 and 2020, like, listen, like, these things that shape your life, you deserve to have a good, you deserve to have a good you

deserve to have a dignified life you deserve to be able to afford your health care or not have to pay for health care in the first place you deserve to live freely in your own body I think that is powerful I think that is activating in ways that fall outside of the you know client affiliation of Democrat or Republican that's kind of I think the only way forward in a state like Wisconsin so I'm really hoping that we can drive that home over the next couple of years. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it is a wide open lane for anyone who wants to take it.

Tim Faust, I think that's a good place to wrap up today's show. Tim, once again, thanks so much for joining us. And thanks once again for all the work you're doing in Wisconsin, to just, I don't know, like help people and, you know, and organize around the issue of health care in this country, which is, you know, as I've said many times, I think like the most glaring, the most glaring like chasm through to which this country is sliding into, but it would be theoretically the easiest to fix. And I, Tim, I once again have to thank you and admire you for all the work you're doing on, on just helping people.

If I can shout out a chapel listener who set up a town hall, because she heard the podcast last time, um, her name is Elena. She lives in rural Wisconsin in her town of 2,200 people. She brought out 75 people because she heard this podcast. That's like, she was her first time organizing anything like, like that. So I was very grateful for the platform. And I think people can do heard this podcast. That's like she was her first time organizing anything like that. So I was very grateful for the platform and I think people can do really interesting things. And when they when they put their mind to it. Well, shout out. Well, definitely much love to Elena.

And if you want to hit the show email account, we'd love to send you some free merch or something. Yeah, absolutely. I am. Yeah, I just every time that I read about the state of American healthcare or see any of the incoming austerity or any of the future designs of austerity, I am very glad that you are out there, Kim. So thank you so much. The pleasure is mine. All right, that does it for today's show, but not we are not sounding off yet until I plug one more time

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