Chapo Trap House - 991 - Occupation: Public Figure feat. Seth Harp (12/1/25)

Episode Date: December 2, 2025

Author and journalist Seth Harp returns for an interview about the National Guard shooting in D.C. We analyze the accused shooter, his time in covert “Zero Units,” and we also speculate about the ramifications of Pete Hegseth’s double-tap order in the Caribbean. To close things out, Will and Felix talk about Bari Weiss’s plan to return America to the reasonable center and react to the viral Oklahoma University essay on why God made man and woman different. Buy Seth’s book here (and give it 5 stars on Amazon!): https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/730414/the-fort-bragg-cartel-by-seth-harp/ And follow him on X at @sethharpesq

All right All I want to be is a joke All I want to be is a joke Hello, everybody. It's Monday, December 1st. I hope everyone had a good Thanksgiving. We've got some chop for you. Let's get right into it today because over the Thanksgiving break, these things on the home front and overseas continues to be quite grim. and we thought we would have a journalist and author Seth Harp back

to join us today to talk about the D.C. National Guard shooting, the shooter, and the sort of familiar pattern of blowback and connections to the U.S. national security state. So, Seth, welcome back to the show. Hey, guys. Great to be back with y'all.

All right. So, like I said, this was on Thanksgiving Eve. This guy, he shot two National Guard soldiers like a few blocks away from the White House, killed one of them. He was brought over and given, I don't know, was he, he was settled in this country after we pulled out of Afghanistan. What can you tell us about who this guy was and the circumstances of how he came to the United States? There's not a lot of details about him personally,

except for the bare bones, you know, how he got his special immigrant visa. But it was after the fall of Kabul. It was under the Biden administration initially, and he was vetted under Trump. It seems like he didn't speak very much English at all. They've been resettled. in Washington and Bellingham, Washington, a small town in Washington. Besides that, the details about him as an individual pretty scarce. But, of course, we know a lot about the zero units that he belonged to. Well, yeah, I mean, like, that to me is the most compelling part about this story. You know, well, what do we know of these so-called zero units that the suspect was, you know,

served in and then was granted a visa because of his involvement with? Well, I would be remiss not to recommend that folks check out the pro-public article on the zero units by Lindsay billing, really the most like authoritative account that's out there exactly what these things are. There was scarce reporting on them during the course of the war. The Intercept has also done great reporting. But essentially, it is not an exaggeration at all to describe them as CIA and J-Soc death squads that were used to assassinate and murder people that U.S. intelligence believed, often wrongly, to be part of the Taliban and resistance. Yeah, from what I read, they, they sounded exactly like the special forces

that the Van Diem administration had outside of the ARVN in South Vietnam, like the exact same sort of like extra legal personal army that you send to do things that are too filthy even for seals to do. Yeah, exactly. There's a lot of parallels to like Phoenix program type stuff and it exposes a kind of a dirty secret with our national security apparatus and military, which is that they absolutely believe that the way to wage wars through assassinations and covert black ops, you know, killings. You said we don't know much about his life here in America. I mean, I just read this morning Rolling Stone has something, a piece out about him that, you know,

seems to imply that he was under a lot of financial pressure, apparent mental illness may have been a contributing factor. they quote one person of saying of who served with him in the same Afghan unit. He's not a native English speech. He said of him, he's very worried. The problem like he said, is I am working nine or ten years of the U.S. government and they never answer my phone call. So he's basically like, he worked for the CIA for 10 years, then they resettled him in this country, basically left adrift, and then they won't pick up his phone call when he, like, what do you, I mean, if you had to speculate, what, what do you think he was calling the CIA about? I mean, like just some needed help?

Probably needed help. Maybe needed help with this immigration paperwork. Maybe expected that they were going to do something to help him find a job in this country where it's so tough to make a living. He was working for Amazon Flex, by the way, as a delivery driver for Amazon, which is incidentally the number one CIA contractor. So it's kind of scary to think about guys like this driving around on Amazon trucks. But it's also hard not to sympathize with someone who's in his situation,

even though he is someone who accepted U.S. dollars to kill his own countrymen. I mean, imagine growing up in Kandahar in the early 2000s, you know, imagine what Hobbesian circumstances he was confronted with as a kid. And through some relative, you know, he has the opportunity to join the Kandahar strike force, also known as Zero Unit 3, which was headed by Ahmed Wali Karzai, who was one of the top, like, CIA assets in the country. He was the brother of Hamid Karzai, who was the guy that the CIA installed to be the president of Afghanistan and was among, you know, the entire Afghan client state that we set up over there was a giant criminal racket, giant drug cartel. It was involved in all kinds of corruption and horrible wrongdoing. And the Kandahar strike force was basic, I mean, he's basically a Sicario for the, for the Karzai cartel, doing more than just trafficking drugs. I mean, they were doing like land theft. was a big deal. They would kill people and then take their land, take all their belongings,

and they would kill people and take their cars. I mean, these are just criminal organizations that were placed under the supposed agis of the CIA. But also, you know, we hear a lot about these being CIA guys. And while that is true, keep in mind that these teams are mostly staffed by J-Soc operators, active-duty military guys. And the reason why they shipped it, sheapedip it as a CIA operation is that that gets them around some basic requirement or some, you know, basic military regulations, like how you can't just line up people against a wall and shoot them. Like you can't do that if you're in the military, but the CIA has no compunction about that.

And if you look, again, at ProPublica's reporting and the intercepts reporting, that's exactly the kind of thing that the zero units were doing, not just kicking in doors and killing everyone inside, but interrogating people and when they didn't like the answers they got, putting them up against the wall and then shooting them. Yeah, 30 years from now, you know, maybe Frank Church will be reincarnated and we'll have another church committee where everything gets revealed. We find out what happened in Butler, Pennsylvania, you know, we'll find out the specifics behind the Reebok deal that ruined the UFC and we'll figure out, you know, if all the, all these random killings were like, you know, directly ordered

by the CIA. But whether it was or not, taking a guy who is basically drafted to be a Sicario from the start of his life and relocating him to, I'm no offense, but Bellingham fucking Washington and then employing him as an Amazon, I don't even know what the Amazon service he worked for. It was called Amazon direct. Amazon Flex. That's where the regular drivers have too many rights and so they just make them use their own personal vehicles

to deliver stuff. Yeah, the thing that like Ice Cube's son-in-law in the War of the World's remake it just all seems like a guaranteed way to get a guy to freak out and randomly kill someone. Yeah, you don't need to put a microchip

in someone's brain to have them snap like that. I mean, it's the conditions produce themselves. But it could also just be a matter of neglect, like the guy was saying, they're not answering his phone calls. But it's kind of scary to think that there's, you know, one thing I didn't know is that there's 10,000 of these people in the U.S., 10,000 zero unit veterans that have been relocated to the U.S. And they're all dependent on their CIA handlers for their special immigrant status. Well, obviously, I mean, like this story is already being used as fodder for Trump's immigration

policies, he's saying we got to send them all back. I mean, one of the chances he's going to send back 10,000 zero unit veterans to Afghanistan. Yeah, I don't think they're very high. You know, some of the posts that I was making about this, people like seemed a little bit critical. It almost comes off as like an anti-immigrant thing. Like, nothing about what I'm saying. It should be conflated with immigration matters. Like, it is a completely different kettle of fish to be, you know, importing veterans of CIA death squads into the United States rather than, let's say, you know, asylum cases for people that are coming from countries that have been destroyed by U.S. imperialism.

They're distinct issues in my mind. Did you see any similarities between this guy? Ramanalula, sorry, Lakawanal. I'm sorry, I'm a little sick right now, as Seth. So the pronunciation is going to be totally off here. But I guess my point is, do you see any similarities between this character and, you know, the character from your book, the Fort Bragg Cartel, guys like Billy Levine.

And can you like, does your analysis of this man and like what he likely did in Afghanistan, does that fit with a certain pattern of American guys that you profile in your book? And like they're both their careers in the military and then their post, like when they come home to the home front, like what happens to their lives?

Do you see a similar pattern? There's certainly a similarity. I mean, in terms of being conditioned to commit acts of violence and being exposed to lots of hardcore violence and also the drug stuff really can't be over-emphasized, especially considering the specific zero unit that this guy belonged to in Kandahar. So there are similarities there because when these people snap, you know,

they act out violently as a result of their conditioning. But, you know, where I mostly see similarities are what I think about in this context are the Gussanos, the people that were trained, the Cubans that were trained to do the Bay of Pigs. I know it's an old reference for many years ago, but it was also like a CIA army that was trained supposedly with the intention of overthrowing Fidel Castro. But when that failed, you know, those guys remained in Miami and in Southern Florida. And for decades to come, they were used by the CIA and J-Soc for all kinds of off-the-books, black operations, doing terrorism and drug trafficking in Central and South America all through the 70s and 80s and even up until

the 1990s, you're still hearing things about, you know, the right-wing Cuban terrorists and so that having 10,000 Afghans trained as zero-unit killers, and that's what, that's what I think about in this context. I mean, do you think that that's why he kept calling the CIA and wondering why they were picking up, you know, answering his messages? Could be, could be. I don't know. I mean, you can imagine the situation. I mean, they just think that they don't care about these guys anymore. They've moved on, but the ramifications are going to continue to manifest for years and years. So you said he was settled in Bellingham, Washington. That's on the other side of the country. He drove across the country to shoot these two people for whatever reason,

like basically in front of the White House in Washington, D.C. I mean, like, that seems like a pretty specific, I don't know, like, act to be, like, you know, to go all the way to D.C. to do something like this. It seemed like sort of lashing out at his former handlers or, you know, making a statement. Yeah, not knowing anything about the guy's motivations personally. I mean, you have to think that it was the symbolism of Washington, D.C. and the U.S. Army. I mean, I can't read anything else into it. You know, I guess the guy's still alive at some point. We may know more about his motivations, but at present, yeah, it seems like that. One of the most aggressive, passive, aggressive acts of all time.

I said, did I see you posting something about like, this guy isn't even the first one of these guys to like flip out and kill someone, right? Yeah, I was looking into this and there was another one earlier this year. His name was Jamal Wally. And if anything, it's more of an interesting case because you can see his breakdown is actually caught on camera and a YouTube video. It's just incredibly disturbing to watch because the guy gets pulled over in this beat up four-banger Toyota Corolla missing a hubcap and he doesn't have a driver's license and it's an

Afghan man and for some reason he's actually wearing his name is Jamal Wally for some reason he's actually wearing his uh it looks like he's wearing his firearm sidearm openly like he's wearing it in the car he definitely had ammo like on the other side of him you can't really see and so he's driving around like this and the cop pulls him over and he's really stressed out and he goes on this rant about how he can't get a job about how he can't get disability and he can't get a driver's license, which is the reason why he's pulled over because he can't get car insurance. And, you know, the United States is in a lot of ways. It's like the land of stupid rules. You know, imagine trying to navigate those type of systems like the

DMV when you're an Afghan who barely speaks in the English and you've had this incredibly traumatic and violent life and gone through all this upheaval. It's just a recipe for someone to snap and that's exactly what happened to that guy in that video and the something that really impressed me was when he when he does snap and he decides he's going to draw on this cop

he's on video from three different angles because there's two police body cams on him and he's also recording himself and when he draws his weapon and racks it quickly and then fires two or three rounds into the cop's vest across his own body you can just tell that he's extremely practiced in this type of gunfighting.

He looks like someone who must have been in hundreds of gunfights before. And, of course, there was a cop standing at his passenger side window who just euthanized him right there. So that was the end of it. But it was just a really scary and distressing video to watch. I wonder how many more of these guys are out, though. Well, like, yeah, you mentioned America being the land of stupid rules. And I'm just like, yeah, like trying to imagine what happens when you try to. to enforce those stupid rules, i.e. through American law enforcement, on people who have been

judged jury and executioner as like the tip of the spear of our like, you know, our military empire of death overseas. I would imagine, yeah, like this is a perfect recipe for things getting out of hand. Yeah. And one of the things that they got, Jamal Wally, also said, before he shot the cop was, I should have served with the fucking Taliban. And that really sums it up. I mean, that's the number one reason why the U.S. lost in Afghanistan. The main reason why the people ultimately sided with the Taliban and the Taliban became a more legitimate government structure than the U.S. client state was because of these arbitrary killings. I mean, it was by far the main reason why people did not support the U.S. occupation was because of the night

raids and the killings committed and the abuses, the criminality of these CIA militias. And again, Kandahar, the drug trade, was absolutely massive. I mean, at this, at the time that, I also struggled to pronounce his name, but I think it's Ramanula Lakhanwal. At the time that he was working for NDS-03 for the Kandahar strike force, at that time, that region of Afghanistan was producing like 90% of the world's heroin. And it was all going through Ahmed Wali Karzai. He was the U.S.-backed CIA sponsored strongman. in Kandahar that made all, you know, that, that, that, uh, dictated all of this. Um, and so, you know, again, the guy is, don't, it shouldn't be thought of just as like a special

operation soldier. I mean, what they were involved in was like, um, you know, international drug trafficking and all sorts of crime. And so there's just no telling, you know, what he's been into and what he knows. That is why we wish that Elizabeth Warren won. So she could have initiated some antitrust ruling on. that drug cartel. Yeah. Yeah. There could have been some competition. I mean, 90% of the world's heroin supply.

It's a little much. That's not fair to consumers. Yeah. But you know what? In fairness, they did keep prices dirt cheap, which is why we had a terrible... That's what John D. Rockefeller said. But that is why we had a heroin crisis in this country

because people found out they could get a bag of smack cheaper than percocet's that were diverted from the illicit drug market. And the reason for that is because of off-the-charts production taking place in Afghanistan with the full and open support of the whole of the U.S. government. And then almost perfectly replaced by RCs that completely obliterate people's ability to return to normal life if they're even able to recover after. It's kind of perfect for everyone. yeah the heroin crisis of the 2000s and early 2010s just flowed seamlessly into the fentanyl crisis which is with us today and which is the number one cause of death for American adults well actually like this is a good segue into the other sort of issue of war and terrorism that happened over the weekend and like this is in like the sort of Caribbean South American theater obviously like we've been on this this kill streak of like blowing up these fast boats

off the coast of, you know, Colombia or Venezuela, like from Trinidad, killed 80 people so far in what the administration is claiming are sort of, there are basically unlawful combatants in an undeclared war. They're called narco-terrorists and Lindsay Graham over the weekend referred to Venezuela as the head of a drug caliphate, which really annoys me because cocaine caliphate was right there, and that just has a nice alliteration to it. But, I mean, like, you mentioned the blowback from the Afghanistan war being an opiate crisis, which is, like, the leading cause of death for adults in this country.

Now, like, that crisis is being used as a, like, sort of a cause's belly for a possible invasion of Venezuela and certainly the, like, ongoing killings of who's ever on these boats in, like, you know, in the Caribbean Sea or wherever. But, like, the one specific incident I want to talk about this weekend is that they blew up one of these boats, and then there were clearly survivors clinging to the wreckage of the boats, and according to news accounts, Pete Heggseth gave the order to, quote,

kill everyone, and they did a double tap to kill these two guys who were basically clinging to, like, a sinking vessel. So, like, I don't think in any reasonable world, these drug fast boats, even if they are such a thing, could be considered, like, a clear and present danger to the United States, nor are

they involved in, like, a war on this country. But, like, what do you make of, like, the new regime of just, like, killing the survivors of these attacks? It's just another, you know, reason to think that it's so urgent that we reassert popular democratic control over the military and foreign intelligence, and intelligence agencies and foreign policy apparatus because these people are completely lawless. They've completely jumped the shark.

You have the Secretary of Defense giving blatantly unlawful orders that he must know, unlawful under U.S. law and also international law. And the blatancy of it is so egregious that it's almost hard to know, you know, how to respond, how to take this on as a critic of the U.S. military and foreign policy and the White House. Because at the same time that they're falsely accusing the Maduro government of being a supposed cocaine cartel, you know, they're actually letting go. Juan Orlando Hernandez from prison, who really was like the cocaine kingpin of Honduras, right?

Like, he was prosecuted for importing 400 tons of blow into the United States. We're at the point where we can just say for a fact that the U.S. government just openly supports the drug cartels across Latin America. The cartel governments that exist in Latin America, whether it's in Ecuador or in Colombia in the past or in Honduras in the past, or in Mexico under the previous administrations there, the pattern is just so clear cut. Like, the U.S. is the one that is sponsoring all the bad actors in the drug trade. And this stuff is just as hypocritical as it can possibly be. And that's why nobody believes it. And by the way, I don't really think they're going to invade Venezuela because that's just so insane.

The undertaking of that size, a military operation of that size, do they really think what are they going to do? land a division of infantry on Venezuela's shores, one of the biggest countries in the world with this incredibly rugged terrain of jungles and mountains, worse than Afghanistan. Yeah. Huge country with a ton of people. I mean, the U.S. couldn't even defeat the Houthis in the Bab al-Mandeb in February. So there's just no conceivable scenario, I think, in which they actually invade Venezuela. So instead, they're just going to do, they're going to continue.

to terrorize the population through sanctions and sabotage and J-Soc and the CIA are going to continue to do terrorism in Venezuela and blowing up refineries and gas plants and all the stuff that you can see them doing. And then maybe the escalation now is going to be airstrikes because they've imposed a no-fly zone. And they're probably, they're probably looking for Maduro. Trump probably wants to take out Maduro through a bombing, but, you know, he's probably in a bunker in the mountain somewhere. So that's not on the table either. I think you're, I think you're right about about, you know, they're being limited prospects for an invasion. I mean, we're always skeptical about single issue polling on this show,

but it is broadly unpopular, the idea of another, of this specific additional forever war. And also somewhat notably, some of the remaining, like, normal-ish Ohio Republicans are actually, like, causing somewhat of a stink over these double and triple tap strikes. With the idea of, like, yeah, invading Venezuela, I mean, they actually have an Air Force. When was the last time we actually fought a country that had, you know, jets that were of the same generation as ours? Yeah, for that reason, I don't see it happening. There's also the case that it's also the case that Trump, one of the only things that constrains Trump is his own desire to not be perceived as a loser.

Yeah, absolutely. I think he knows like on a bone deep level that... He saw what Iraq did to George W. Bush, which allowed him to become president in the first place. You know, so like, I think he's, I think he's had a very, very, very hesitant to get involved in any situation where there's a strong possibility that he could end up looking like a loser. But, Seth, I just in terms of like how egregious these, like, this murder.

restraint that they're doing on these like just blowing up boats with missiles who are like even if they are drug traffickers like if you can blow it up with a missile you can interdict the boat and like arrest and like seize the drugs and they're not even like of the guys who have survived they're not even trying to charge them now like I know I know in your book like you've covered a lot of like really really serious and grim atrocities carried out by the US military but like at least it's just in terms of like the official front facing military code of conduct for the U.S. military. Could you give us like a sense of just like how wildly out of pocket it is to officially order the execution of like two guys clinging to the side of a

boat? I mean, it's completely insane. Almost like, you know, words fail me. I don't know what to say because, you know, I recently posted something that had a bunch of people mad at me because that video came out of Israeli soldiers executing two guys who were unarmed with their hands up. And I said that in 20 years of war in Iraq and Afghanistan, you never saw any videos of U.S. troops doing that. I included some caveat about how obviously the U.S. is not a model for following the laws of war. There were all sorts of horrible scandals that came out of those wars, all kinds of illegal killings that were exposed. There was Abu Ghraib, there was Haditha. The list goes on and on.

Nevertheless, I do think that at the level of the squad and platoon, U.S. troops do not go out on patrol with the specific intent. of just genociding people and just killing everyone that they come across. All U.S. soldiers, you know, at least in the conventional military, are trained to distinguish between, you know, armed threats and people that are unarmed, to know the law of wars, know that people are wounded, you're not allowed to kill them. Again, I'm not saying it doesn't happen. I'm not saying that it hasn't been flouted repeatedly. But I'm like, I'm sure, like, it does happen.

but like to have the Secretary of Defense give the order to like kill wounded people in the open sea because for for no reason other than to quote our Secretary of Defense kill them all is fucking wild and like a point of comparison like the thing that the thing that I thought about when I read this story is something about my own grandfather's experience in World War II as a Navy officer this was like one of these stories that was part of the sort of family lore but during his service in World War II he was on a Navy vessel that was sunk in the Atlantic by a U-boat. And the boat went down, but they were able to get, you know, most, if not all hands, into the lifeboats before it completely sunk.

So there's like three, 300 guys in lifeboats. They just saw their whole ship go down. And then the U-boat that sunk it, like, surfaces right in front of them. And he said at this point, it was basically to the discretion of the U-boat commander, whether they would be sent on their way or whether they would all be shot down. dead. Luckily, the U-boat commander basically gave them cigarettes, a compass, and pointed them towards the Caribbean, and, you know, he lived to tell the tale. Not to give the, you know, a Nazi U-boat commander too much credit here, but it seems like he certainly had more honor

in terms of like, I don't know, of the honor of combat than our current Secretary of Defense because it's like the mission was to sink the boat. Killing all the guys, even if, even if at one point they're going to rejoin the war effort, just like doesn't seem, within the bounds of, I don't know, whatever morality does exist in warfare. Yeah, and you're obviously not defending Nazis in saying that. It's just a fact that for the most part, when people are fighting a war with one another,

they will refrain from killing someone who's unarmed or someone who's surrendered. Someone who's completely at their mercy, like imposes them no threat whatsoever. There's that similar story of that B-17 Liberator that got blown to shit and got escorted back by a junker 88. Yes.

you know, lots of, lots of stories like that. And to see the Secretary of Defense give those orders explicitly seems incredibly, you know, imprudent on their part, because even though there's almost never any accountability for military and intelligence elites in the United States, it's not inconceivable that, you know, Trump loses the next election, that the Republicans lose control over Congress and that they're actually prosecuted for these things, because they're going well beyond what just regular rank and file or like top official, top officers in the military, are able to tolerate because, you know, these people still want to be able to walk around the United States and, you know, hold their heads high and, and be seen as soldiers or

as Air Force officers or whatever, and not just murderers and terrorists, but increasingly, I mean, I think they're running the risk of being, you know, severe a problem of the rest of the people in the United States that are just not going to, that are going to look at them that way. because another thing to emphasize that much greater cultural connections between Latin America and the United States like so much of what happened in Iraq and Afghanistan people just tuned out

because they're so far away culturally linguistically and it's just racism against Arabs basically and against Muslims but when that's not in play when they're when they're killing people in this hemisphere and there's videos of them doing it and the Secretary of Defense openly saying kill them all

I think you're going to start seeing greater stigma attached to military service itself just for regular troops. And that, I think, is another limitation on the Trump administration's power, as well as the possibility that people come in after Trump and actually prosecute some of the people responsible. I mean, that is one of the most optimistic predictions ever made on the show. I mean, I think there is an argument to be made for it because there's obviously a huge barrier towards prosecuting cabinet level. people um any high level officer that signed off on this but there there would be the argument

that to maintain propriety that they would have to break the seal on this but it i mean it would be pretty unprecedented in this country absolutely yeah it's a it's a very optimistic um prediction there's i wouldn't bet on it that's for sure but it's he's certainly different from the way that someone like lloyd austin you know would would have conducted himself as as the Secretary of Defense. These are people who know how to sort of play by the rules of empire and have a, you know, a facade of respectability and legality on the things that they do. And Hague Seth and the Trump administration, they just don't have that.

Well, Seth, correct me if I'm wrong, but like right before this latest kill streak of these fishing or drug boats in the Caribbean happened, didn't the head of the U.S. Southern Command basically resigned because I think, like, he probably knew that these orders were were illegal and that he wasn't going to be able to carry them out? That's right. I think I read that story. I think I saw that headline. And I think there's going to be a lot of that. I think there already has been quite a bit of that. People getting out of the military. A close family member of mine is actually an Air Force officer. And I know he really doesn't like what what Heggseth is doing. He's been really dissatisfied before this with

the support for Israel as well. And he's teaching at the Air Force Academy, not doing anything operational at the moment, but is putting in his retirement package, specifically because he doesn't want Pete fucking Hegseth to be his boss. I mean, who would want that? I mean, the guy is a complete, is a complete joke. Seth, finally, I mean, just to go back to the National Guard shooting and like these zero unit guys, like, you said like it's not an attack on immigration to be concerned with the 10,000 or so death squad members that have been sort of let loose in America, and God knows who's checking up on them, or what's going to become of them. But, like, this is inseparable from, like, a broader Trump administration

policy of cracking down an immigration and deporting people, more or less at will. And, like, he seemed to have implied that this guy's family should be deported to Afghanistan, if not him, as well. What, like, what is likely to happen to, like, the number of Afghan refugees in America, like in this context, be they, you know, zero unit veterans or just people who have settled in this country? I mean, I haven't thought much about that. It would seem completely impractical to airlip them back. I mean, they don't even have control. How are they going to land flights in Afghanistan? I mean, you need the consent of the destination country just to land a flight there. That's why they were talking about taking back from Air Force, Air Base back at a certain point.

But they don't have that. And the Taliban certainly doesn't want these people. So I don't know what they're going to do with them. All right, we'll leave it there for today. Seth Harp, thank you so much for your time and sharing your thoughts of this. Thank you, guys. All right, we are back again. Thanks again to Seth Harp. All right, just to run. All right, just to round out today's episode, a few more stories from you. Okay, this one, I didn't get a chance to talk to you about Felix last week, but I definitely want to talk about it right now.

Did you see the comments made by Barry Weiss about how she intends to counterprogram the bad messages of people like Tucker Carlson, Hassan Piker, and Nick Fuentes? I did see among her her own zero unit was Alan Dershowitz. Yes. He says here

this is from dropside. Barry Weiss says she wants to use her new perch at CBS News to quote, redraw the lines of what falls in the 40 yards of acceptable debate in American political. Why is there only 40 yards of acceptable debate?

That leaves the red zone. That's where the scoring takes place. So I think we need to the full field here very no but she says she wants to redraw the lines of debate and the aim is to sideline voices like asan piker tucker tucker carlson and nick flintes and elevate quote charismatic figures such as alan dorshowitz and dana loch who reflect where the vast majority of americans actually are now leaving aside uh how mainstream i think i think like dana i had not thought i had not heard dana loch's name in probably five or seven to ten years literally her

saying this conjure her back into fucking existence. I'll remember about her is that she was sort of like a gun lady. Yeah, she was like a first wave T-cott gun lady. The last time we even fucking mentioned her name on the show,

that was when like the DSA would put out like those spooky, scary socialist skeleton videos. That's how long ago it was. She's married to that unicyclist guy who has a handlebar mushroom. Oh yeah, yeah. He's got he's got sort of sort of like

affected facial hair as I would describe it. Sort of like like a Raleigh finger's mustache. Well, she actually, she did have a live stream

with both Dana Loche and Daila Dershowitz and it got 800. Oh God. Yeah, I saw it have like 800 view.

Well, again, again, in 2017, when me and John were working on the documentary, in the middle of it, I did like the only

Instagram live I've ever done just to answer questions about it. And I think I talked about a UFC never, never wants a contender Yushin Okon, or one-time contender Yushin Ok, for 35 minutes. And I think I got 10 times as many views. Okay, leaving aside, Dana, I mean, like, say what you will about Tucker Carlson and Nick Flintos.

But, like, their name is, their names are ringing out. You know, they got an audience. They certainly have an, their desire. effect on the public discourse but like counteract that with Dana fucking Loche who like by the way like what exactly does she disagree with between Tucker Carlson

and Nick Fuentes my guess would be Israel and that's it if she has any variation in there and what makes her point of view within the 40 yards within the quote the 40 yards the middle of the field of acceptable debate in this country yeah it's also like

it's kind of like if the Polish government in exile in the year 1940 was like, okay, guys, we're going to retake the country. This time, more horses. We need to double the amount of cavalry officers were sending at the panthers. Like, they were already media figures, you fucking idiot.

What were they doing before? Leaving aside the inclusion of Dana Loche in this, I mean, I think the thing that everybody sort of immediately noticed about this statement is not that just that she's including Alan Dershowitz in her sort of in her sort of a team of sort of reasonable thoughts but that she's saying

that she's called him charismatic I you know I think I speak for everyone on the anti-Israel anti-Semitism side when I say please do not put Alan Dershowitz on every

don't put them on CBS News don't put them on the 30-year reunion of everyone loves Raymond. Do not fill CBS's programming with Alan Dershowitz every hour on the hour saying, I haven't

had sex with a child outside of my family in 15 years. That would be horrible for our side. I would also like to say in terms of the Zionist Breyer patch that we don't want to, we really don't want Alan to be thrown into. I really, really think it would be

terrible for the cause of Palestinian in solidarity and the general anti-war sentiment in this country, if Alan Dershowitz were gifted Andy Rooney's former job at 60 minutes, we're at the end of every 60 minutes. They just let him editorialize for like, you know, five minutes about something that's bothering him or something that's upset him in the past week. Just like, please, Barry, don't do that.

How come concierge is ask you what age the kid is now? And, you know, I mean, like kind of similar. to what we were talking about last week where it was like, if I were Donald Trump, like, neck deep in this Epstein stuff, like, I wouldn't be promoting the creation of Rush Hour for directed

by and starring people directly implicated in this. But at the same time, it's like, what is Barry thinking in terms of like, I know she's trying to make Zionism cool again, or at least not morally reprehensible? Is it there's got to be someone out there better

than Alan Dershowitz, right? There's got to be someone out there not connected to Jeffrey Epstein who she can put out there as the charismatic face of this. Or isn't there or maybe there isn't. Maybe this is really all she's got. Like the bench is not deep. I mean shy David

I? No, really. That's like the only other guy I can think of. The only guy who's younger than like 87 and doesn't have like an immediate horrifying sex scandal and hasn't, doesn't have like a combined 10 years of going on

going Wait, wait, do you remember what Tucker spent like a year of shows on Fox like having Alan Dershowitz on to like talk about he never molested anyone? Yeah. Do you think that was part of his

long game? I don't know. That was so fucking weird. How come no one's asked him about that? Oh, in addition. I know she threw in Hassan with Tucker and Nick Fuentes. But Hassan did point out that Barry's C.B. Weiss was actively courting him for, like, to do a debate with him. Yeah, she wanted him to debate Ben Shapiro about capitalism versus socialism.

Which, again, like, the debate that has happened 50,000 fucking times. I guess, like, I'm thinking about this in light of the fact that, like, Barry has been given the keys to the kingdom. And I'm thinking about, like, that, I don't know, 800 to 1,000 views on her debate between two charismatic people that young people, will really respond to. I'll, like, I'll respond. Like, but I'm just thinking,

like, this is going to be a disaster for CBS if, if ratings or, you know, attention is what they're after. But then again, but then I thought about it

for a second, and I was like, no, this is not the point. She's too bovine to fail. She's too bovine to fail. And it's just like, even if this,

like, just dumps all of their ratings into the fucking gutter, I don't think, I don't, I don't, I don't think that's the point. I think this is like, an exercise in control and a display of power that it really doesn't matter what she does

because I think it's just like they need to have her in that perch. They need they need to have someone of her age cohort telling people who are in their 70s and 80s that Israel is very well liked and popular in this country. Yeah, yeah, no, it is just like a pure show of dominance. I mean, I kind of, this is another overused term that I hate now, but humiliation ritual. I mean, it seems like it's going to be a humiliation ritual for her. But whatever. Like, I mean, she's got so much money.

Who cares? Like, I mean, she's only going to continue to fail upward. Where does she go after this? I think she'd be put in pet of Warner Brothers in Paramount after the merger. She works for Yakub directly after this? No, I mean, like, just what is there for her after this? I guess, yeah, Jakub, uh, the disembodied head of Edward Brothman, same guy maybe. I don't know.

After they put Mrs. Rachel in jail, Barry will take her, well, Barry will take over Mrs. Rachel's YouTube channel. And she will be the new child's entertainer. And, you know, she'll have on, she'll have on Palestinian kids, but only to arrest them. Well, she'll do the only children's program that is explicitly about false memory syndrome.

yeah all right so yeah that was uh just the the charismatic alan dershowitz uh i like i said i i really really hope we don't see more of him uh because it will because of how damage it will be to our political project yeah i'm thinking of killing myself now like i feel like you know that movie uh what was the clint movie about where it's like hey the japanese guys weren't so bad oh uh letters to miwojima yeah i'm like those guys I'm thinking I'm going to go out in a bonsai charge instead of face Allen. Okay, well, another funny story from over the weekend is this, this is a very, very contrived controversy about college. Oh, fuck this one.

I hate this one, man. Like, this one sucks so much fucking cock. No one's heart is into this. This is such like, you know, sweeps week. programming. I saw this fucking idiot's mom on Twitter she said that like her daughter didn't need to put

like she didn't need to put citations in it because it's an opinion why like why even go to college why even go to college? Just get a loan from the small business administration. Set your daughter up with like I don't know one of those stores for whatever type

of Christian you are. You could sell like you know those Christian children's books that are like my Mom almost aborted me, but she didn't. Letters from a fetus. And we could just skip all of this. What is the point of that? I hate this one. I hate this one.

I'm sorry. Look, I am the last guy who usually says this. Everyone knows my first account on Twitter was Andrea Dworkin Groyper. I'm the most prominent second wave feminist in all of men's media. But she's

not even fucking hot. Like, do you remember what these girls used to be hot? Do you remember that? Yeah, I mean... Some of them used to be hot. None of them are anymore. I remember when the IDF babes were actually hot. Yeah, no, none of them.

Another thing, another mission creep. But this chick's mom is a real piece of work. You said no one's heart is in it, Felix. I think the mom's heart is very much in it. And my favorite detail about the mother... I mean, okay, in case you don't know what we're talking about, this is another T-P-USA joint. where basically some fucking moron got like an F on an essay at Oklahoma University

and now it's a national issue because she was asked to write an essay about like, you know, about gender roles in American society. And like the essay she turned in was like, you know, like basically subliterate dog role and highly tautological. You don't mind me saying. And now she's another fucking martyr. And like we talked about this with Sarah last week.

but this is like another like sort of like the Riley gainsification of the American stupid and by that I mean like especially if you're a young woman like the path to success now to like the sort of like the TPUSA is a sort of conservative donor money gravy train like I said the Heritage Foundation will give you hundreds of thousands of dollars they'll pin a medal on you for failing English class is to just like highly promote and sort of get on the cross and just sort of like bear your your absolute humiliation to the world of like advertising something deeply embarrassing happening to you and then like and then asking uh just being like isn't it so bad that this

happened to me but it's just sort of like what i mean is this this public sharing an advertisement of your own stupidity or failure to do something at least with riley gains there was like it's like about the central activity that was taking place right yeah with this it's that She was in one of those highly remedial, you know, hooked on phonics classes that they have for red shirt tennis play, you know, kids who get a scholarship for tennis and never compete like this girl was. And the professor was trans and they were like, you know,

write an opinion essay about which day of the week is the best, you know? Athlete essays. The type of stuff that Travis Kelsey, his master's thesis, what are the best numbers and so she set out to write it and her essay was like I think transgenderism is wrong

because there's biology like it's submental dog roll but 10 years ago there would be like citations in it you know there would be like some attempt to make some sort of like scientific transphobia argument or something

right or like a religious thing but this is just no one is even trying on this one I will point out that the assignment the the word limit on this was 650 words which is like that's like that's like that's like one page single space

that's like that's not even that's barely even a page well and you know what it's just like TPP USA like they're really doing her dirty because like they publish this essay and it's just like they're doing her no favors here and I just like to read a little bit from

you know normal I wouldn't like to, um, so, you know, to make fun of the bad writing of like a 19 year old, but like, uh, she's trying to be a national figure based on how, I don't know, unjust it was that she failed this, uh, writing assignment. So fuck her. Okay, she's 21, apparently. So, uh, this is the essay here. This article was very thought provoking and caused me to thoroughly evaluate the idea of gender and the role it plays in our society. The article discussed peers using teasing as a way to inform, gender norms.

I do not necessarily see this as a problem. God, you know, okay, stop, stop. We could take the guy from Zero Unit who just brained that National Guards woman. He would write a better essay. I think his, like, his manic episodes where he was apologizing to people. When they quote the Quran, they can cite the fucking verse

that they're talking about. They're always doing that. That guy, when that guy was like having Manic episodes where he was like apologizing to people for like not feeding his kids I'm sure it was better written the sentences flowed better it was more it was just All together better writing than this uh she says here um I do not necessarily necessarily see this as a problem God made male and female and made us differently from each other on purpose and for a purpose damn is a yo is that Nuzzi's music I hear

damn the writing's this fire god is very intentional with what he makes and i believe trying to change the world would only do more harm why this is the first time hearing of this i thought he was just throwing things out there uh gender roles and tendencies should not be considered stereotypes women naturally want to do womanly things because god created us with those womanly desires in our hearts the same goes for men god created men god created men in the image of his courage and strength and he created women in the image of his beauty. Okay, who's

that Austrian man who, like he kept his daughter in some... Oh, Joseph Pritzel. Is this one of those situations? Did she not, like, see a word until she was 15 or something? No, I think this is just pretty much standard

American family and education to produce something like this. He intentionally created women differently than men, and we should live our lives with that in mind. It is frustrating when I read articles like this and discussion posts from my classmates of so many people trying to conform to the same mundane opinion, so they do not step on people's toes. I think that is a cowardly and insincere way to live. It is important to use the freedom of speech we have been given in this country, and I personally believe that eliminating gender

in our society would be detrimental. Let's try to use speech first. Let's try to master that one first. eliminating gender in our society would be detrimental as it pulls us farther from God's original plan for humans. It is perfectly normal for kids to follow gender stereotypes because that is how God made us. The reason so many girls want to feel womanly and care for others in a motherly way is not because they feel pressured to fit into social norms. It is because God created and chose them to reflect his beauty and his compassion in that way. In Genesis, God says that it is not good for man to be alone, so he created a helper for man, which is, is a woman.

Okay, I, wait a second. I said she, I incorrectly said she didn't cite any of her sources here. But in fact, she is citing Genesis right now. I hate to bring up Andrew to work in a second time. But if she went to like, if like she went to prison, like Mike Tyson, like during her prime, she went to prison for two years and they were like, okay, like Don King's still promoting her, but we have to give her a tune up fight. this would be like the glass joe

they put her up against the tomato can they feed they feed Andrea Dworkin for her tune up fight on her way back to the belt well I mean like I you know like I'm not a college professor but you know aside from the quality of the writing

the the quality of the argument like I said is highly uh tautological I believe and like that is like you're sort of saying something is something is true because it's already true you know Like, it's circular reasoning here.

Like, she's not really doing much to present a case outside saying God made it this way. Well, I think you can, you could present that argument to her once you take shapes next year. I mean, it's just like, dude, do you remember, you remember the fucking, not Marine Todd, but the thing that Marine Todd was based off of, like, the Marine who knocks out the college professor? Yeah. You know what? That had a setup. it had pacing it had payoff it had suspense that was just a decade ago look how much worse things have gotten look how shit this is marie todd was just a thing passed around by like you know cat turd type

people and it was so much better written than this uh she goes on many people assume the word helper in this context to be condescending and offensive to women however the original word in hebrew is Azar Kinegdo, and that directly translates to helper equal to. Additionally, God describes himself in the Bible using Azar Kanengo or helper, and he describes His Holy Spirit as our helper as well. This shows the importance God places in the role of the helper, women's roles. God does not view women as less significant than men. He created us with such intentionality and care he made women in his image of being a helper

and in the image of his beauty. If leaning into that role means I am following gender stereotype, and I'm happy to be following a stereotype that aligns with the gifts and abilities God gave me as a woman. This is what I mean. This is just redundant. It's just you're stating something

and then stating it again like it's advancing the argument. This is Cocoa the gorilla. Like, what the fuck is it? She signed this entire essay to her handlers. But like, but Felix, I was thinking about you and like, honestly, this girl's mom is a piece of work.

oh my good yeah she she is like she like conservative movement stage mom yeah yeah yeah exactly conservative movement stage mom and like she is like Felix like you talked about this type on the show so many times before like local politician who is in like several like unresolved legal disputes with the own city government that she serves in like suing the chief of police also like there's some question about the legality of her initial run for office but out of all the

details about the mother whose name is Christy Fulnecki Christy Fulnecki Yeah they were okay I can see the argument they were created

with true intentionality Yep Christy full necky When God created Superhead Her line Begat the Fulneckys My favorite detail

about Christy Follnecky though, is that on LinkedIn she lists her occupation as public figure. Yeah, my occupation, spectacle. Lusance. Listen to that. Christy Fulnecki

was not eligible to run for Springfield City Council or take the oath of office when she was elected last year, a report written by a city hired attorney, has concluded due to her failure to obtain and pay for a city business license for seven straight years, Fulneke clearly could have been removed from the April 2015 municipal

municipal election ballot if an opponent had challenged her eligibility in court. She's also an attorney who has represented January 6 defendants. So she, like, these guys, like she's holding their hand while they're walking out of prison. And with their free hand,

they're typing naked baby on their iPad. Right out of the halfway house. I don't know why I didn't put two and together. Springfield, this is, if Missouri can ever have a royal family, it should be the Fulteneckies. Absolutely. These are the destined rulers of that piece of shit state. Put them in charge,

Meiji restoration type thing. And then whatever the dialed, the three-stage thermonuclear warhead that the U.S. tested but never deployed during the Cold War, drop it on the state. also other highlights threatening citizens legal action because they talked bad about her

on Facebook this is a Facebook comment give me a break yeah this is her applying to one of her critics yes I need your name I honestly don't mind pages

that disagree with me just those that poses me and create a likelihood of confusion as you did with your news leader comments pretending to be me trademark and copyright infringement defamation need your name

and where I can serve process do you have an attorney that is I mean that is one of the most common crimes in the country unfortunately people pretending to be Christy Fulnecky it's really unfortunate but you know I mean

once again like this story Christy Follne the whole the Fulnecky family line her you know her subliterate daughter going to a I mean if oh and by the way Oklahoma University has like already fired the teacher

I don't know if they fired the teacher but they're putting it all under review and they're like, we very much apologize for this and like they're treating it like a matter of freedom of speech and freedom of religion rather than just like an inability to write or advance an argument. Yeah, 10 years ago this would be a scandal because they'd be like

you let a feral child into your university because she's kind of good at tennis. You let this illiterate dumb ass. What are you doing? I just wanted to add that in the essay the daughter says, quote, society is pushing the lie that there are multiple genders.

which means I don't think she passed the numbers course she couldn't get past one there is only one gender and it's the gender God created for all of us and here is the word in Hebrew Oh my fucking God You know what I mean is like This is indicative of like I said like

I sort of the evolution and sort of of the American stupid you know and like I really feel like that there is like a core population in this country

that is just getting more feral and more stupid and like you know correspondingly being given more and more and more power over the lives of everyone else or not like if not even the lives over other people's lives

it's like power to just continue to be wrong and stupid and fuck things up all the time and if you notice it or point it out, then they scream at you and it becomes your problem. And what I mean here is like, there seems not to be like, like, you know, if MAGA or the Trump movement stands for anything, it's like for, I don't know, yeah, like creating a, a new kind of, I don't know, a special protected class of feral American stupids where like, you know,

it's like they're like an endangered species. Like if you, if you interfere with them or molest their natural habitat or like, you know, like a park in their parking spot or like make noise near them or something like they're a migratory bird or something that like yeah like no like if you give if you give one of the idiots a bad grade

on their on their homework assignment then it becomes a national issue then you will be brought to heal by sort of you know the stupid park rangers who will prosecute you for you know what it's like you know those low ranking samurai that they would get their new swords, right?

And these were like the minor nobility samurai. They were the lowest rungs of the white-collar samurai professions. Like tax collector, right? They weren't, no one in their family was a field marshal. But they would get their kicks by getting their sword and going out and just like attacking a random traveler to see, you know, how good the sword. Just testing his blade by trying to like just behead some random.

That is what this American stupid is. They are just, these are the, these, low the lowest of the aristocratic samurai class going out to the world and just and just jamming their just poking your eyes gouging their eye gouging your eyes out with their stupid stupid thick thumbs going read my essay well like don't you agree the god invented the sun how come the moon is a girl and the sun's a guy and it's like i don't know like if you are I don't know, like a gender-critical, I don't know, right-wing intellectual, like, doesn't you?

But, like, no, of course it doesn't, because it's just like, it's like just a worse written version of what you already believe. But, like, what matters is, like, not how embarrassing it is that, like, you can't marshal an argument outside of God made it that way. Or nor can you even cite the Bible properly to marshal, like, a case to be made for why there are there shouldn't be multiple genders but it's like what's important is that what's important is that you can enforce discipline on anyone who's like this is wrong or like do better try harder yeah you know it's your first language yeah have you ever talk do you need to speak to an adult

are you thirsty did you fall down do you have double grandparent syndrome and it's like yeah like when when I think about this woman and her mom, it's like, yeah, like this is, this is like sort of an invasive species and it's now being treated like an endangered species, is what I'm getting at here, is that you can't interfere with them. You can't notice them. And like, you know, if they transgress, like, you know, if one of these, if one of the feral stupids like wanders into your sphere of influence or into your frame of reference or just simply into your life in any way, and you sort of shoe them off the property, be like, No, get out of my garbage.

Then it's like, no, the commissars will crack down on you. And then within a couple hours, you're going to have to be apologizing to the Christy full neckies of the world because they ran over your dog with their car. Yeah, no. We really just, like, again, if the ritual works out and we reincarnate for church, in the body of a beautiful man or woman. And it's a reverse McGovern. you know he will move he will get all the stupids into missouri and the problem solves itself

but until then we are really just we are the travelers on the road just hoping they're not testing out their swords that day uh occupation public figure like these are people who like uh like uh they may not know much but like they know how to get on the news you know like they know they know how to get on the news you know like they know how to make a big fucking stink on Facebook and like I said when I think of like you know like turning points to USA is putting this

woman out there like the fact that they published her fucking essay should be humiliating they should be humiliating they should be trying to protect her more than that just like just like you know like there should be trying to protect Riley Gaines a little bit more than they're doing you know like you know what I think

about who they deny I would love to say like think about who they who's like in their rejection bile. Like if this is, if this is there, if this is like R.E. Gold seeing Vincent Chase in the Mentos commercial for them. Who are the shitty? Who, to them, who are the shitty ones?

Uh, like, I, like, the guys with active, like, active ongoing child pornography case. Yeah. Like, the guys, the guys, Christy Folluckie got out of prison. Okay, fine. We'll stop scheduling them. Uh, yeah. Like, maybe someone whose essay was about age of.

consent laws and not gender roles. That may be that may be a bridge too far for them. For the time being, for the time being. Yeah, give it another fucking five. Give it another month or two. You know, like, we'll see if any more these Trump emails come out. And then like I said, like they're already trending in that direction. All right.

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