Chapo Trap House - 997 - Moment For 25 To Life (12/23/25)

Episode Date: December 23, 2025

To round out a very dark year, Will and Felix take a look at some grim stories: the Brown shooter’s identity, another Epstein drop, Bari Weiss’s promotion to Regime Censor, and Jelly Roll being pardoned. We then turn to the TPUSA conference where the fight for Charlie Kirk’s legacy continues, with Nicki Minaj joining the fray and JD Vance working overtime to hold together a splintering coalition. Finally, we dive into a City Journal panel on the state of the modern right, where we learn what Gen Z conservatives think about Jews, Hitler, and marriage. By popular demand, ¡No Pasarán! Matt Christman's Spanish Civil War is back both for a second round of orders and an ebook. PLUS: everything is still 20% off for the holidays! Order now at https://chapotraphouse.store/ Year Zero: A Chapo Trap House Comics Anthology is also 15% off at badegg.co. Through end of year purchases of the book also include a free digital version of the comic. The digital version also available through GlobalComix. Follow the new Chapo Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chapotraphousereal/ And Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/chapotraphousereal.bsky.social

All right All I want to be is there are trouble All I want to be is a joke Hello, everybody It's Monday, December 22nd, and this is your Chapo. I hope you are all simply having a wonderful Christmas time. I'm calling in today from God's Country, also known as the state of Wisconsin, and then I'm watching a small cottontail rabbit trapes across the perfectly snow-blanketed backyard.

of Catherine's parents. I hope you're all having a similarly perfect Christmas experience, but let's kick this week off with some podcast. Let's do some chop off of everyone. Obviously, got a lot of things to talk about today, but the first story I want to talk about today, Felix, is one that like on our last episode on Thursday, a big part of the shows we were talking about how they still haven't arrested anyone in the Brown University shooting. Well, you know, victim of timing and scheduling. It's the busiest time of the year. Like for us.

Think about what it's like for the FBI. They have to do what we're doing today and they have to record a double-decker episode. Do you know that the FBI, they have to do listener calling episodes at the end of the month? Yep. But this is a story that was very quickly resolved

after just like literally right after we got done recording. And, you know, like I know a lot of people have been, you know, libeled by, you know, figures in Silicon Valley and the mainstream media, but like, the head of the DOJ's Civil Rights Department just posted a random guy and said,

let's kill him. Pretty much. Which how that happens? If you're in charge of the Civil Rights Division, that's your job, you know? Just to take random people and be like, I think he killed all these people. Sorry. I mean, it would be irresponsible. It would be irresponsible not to speculate at this point.

Because, you know, like, this is a serious crime we're talking about. But Felix, when it was unveiled right after we got done recording on Thursday that the shooter had killed himself in a storage facility in New Hampshire, but the shooter

was a Portuguese guy. It was just a Portuguese guy who was caught due to a tip source to Reddit. Of course, Felix, obviously, I had one thought and one thought only, which is, oh no, DeCretio!

DeCretio! DeCretio! Did you shoot up an economics class because you were mad at engineering and also kill a cold fusion professor at MIT in Boston the day before. DeCretio! DeCretio got really dark

when HBO bought the show and Ryan Murphy became the showrunner. That's been on BBC in a number of years. It's no longer a light comedy about a Portuguese buffoon. It's a really fucked up show now. And you know, like,

I'm going to get my Sean McGuire on. You know, like, Sean McGuire, he immediately saw an opportunity to, at this horrible shooting at a university, as an opportunity to advance his political agenda, which is, you know, the extermination of Palestinians and the destruction of human and civil rights in this country and the world. So I'm going to use this tragedy to advance my political cause, which is the resurrection of the classic comedy character, DeCretio, the incompetent Portuguese butler. Right.

So for people, DeCretio, I think it dates back to like 20, 14, 2015. Yeah. And our, the idea, like a chop-a-mark-1 mainstay, was DeCretio. Yeah, I think even,

he, I think he came after Emo Prague Radio Hour, which I was horrified to learn certain people listen to in middle school, which I think I could be the subject of a class action

lawsuit over. But anyway, he is, he exists in modern times, he interacts with modern people. The problem is, de Crechio is kind of like, I don't know what the Portuguese called it,

but he's like a Siglo de Oro-era Portuguese explorer. And this creates a lot of problems, as you may imagine. Yeah, you know, but like the main thing about DeCretia, the Portuguese butler, is that he's always,

through his buffoonish behavior, he's always screwing up and his employers get mad at him and say, DeCretio, and then he goes, oh, no, oh, no. You know, in this case, they're going to send me to Madagascar.

And, you know, like, as this story sort of resolved itself, Felix, I mean, there was the Brown University shooting, but then like that, the news story that happened like a day before where it was that MIT professor who was working on cold fusion at MIT was killed at his Boston apartment, I read that new story and I was like, ooh, wow, like damn, what's going on there? This sounds like a movie or something. Like, holy shit. This sounds like the Keanu Reeves movie, Chain Reaction, cold fusion scientists being

assassinated by whom for what purpose but then it turns out it was a Portuguese guy who was just mad at the engineering from like 30 years ago yeah it was a Portuguese guy who thought that like transubstantiation means a cold fusion is like sacrilegious and then apparently like the the classroom he shot up at Brown like he just thought it was an engineering class but they had like switched rooms or something so it was just an economics class what the fuck I mean I mean, like, Matt, who is the last, like, kind of smart mass shooter? Has there ever been one? Really?

They're usually, like, they're usually, he was so good at gambling. I guess, yeah, I guess, yeah. Well, that, his is, like, the close, that's, like, one of the only, like, one to one things where it's like, oh, I, you know, I blew out all my serotonin receptors, I lost all my money gambling. I'll shoot up Las Vegas. Usually it's, like, I always think of, like, like the Lane Bryant shooter. It's always very, because there are, there are all. always like crazy people who like got a dose of initiative and they're like oh i've always been mad at women i'll shoot up uh like lean bryant and it just this one i i am not a stem guy but i cannot make

heads nor tails of this yeah yes none of my business none of my business it's just all sometimes all you can say is oh no sorry to uh continue to make light of this uh horrible string of murders. But like I said, I have a political agenda to advance, which is basically resurrecting the character of Decretio, which a sponsor has said made his premiere on Chappo episode from June 26, 2016 was the first appearance of DeCretio. Oh, man. Oh, he really has DeCretio is really, he's been around for every season of my life, I like to say. Time gets away from us all. So Sean McGuire and Harmeet Dillon, Armeet Dillon is the, she's at the, at the, the Department of Justice's Civil Rights Division, which you can only imagine what...

I can't believe they still have a civil rights division at the Justice Department. I suppose it makes sense because, like, their remit now is destroying civil rights. Right. And, and actually, you know, you're violating Hillel civil rights by not allowing them to cannabis. Right, right, right. You know, the IDF can sign kids up for the Israeli draft at this magnet school in St. Louis. at those kinds of civil rights. Yeah, exactly. So Harvey Dillon and Sean McGuire,

they were both like, hey, this is a crazy coincidence, but it's actually the first Muslim guy we found in this crowd analysis. And like, I mean, this is not Trump one. You're not firing cabinet level people or people who need confirmation.

They're not getting fired from articles anymore, like they were in Trump one. That was happening like once a fucking week during Trump one. They said no more articles. articles aren't making our staff decisions anymore so i don't have high hopes for that one but for fucking sean mcguire like even in that world right like even in silicon valley even in uh you know um venture capital there are enough people who are like i don't think it's good to randomly

accuse just a random private citizen of a mass killing uh because of uh my insane opinions on Israel in the case of Sean McIre. Is there going to be any, is anyone of any consequence going to go, I don't know, maybe this guy's a little too fucking nuts for me to put my money in with? Yeah, like, is Sequoia partners, are they publicly

trade? Is it a public company? I mean, I don't know, but like, yeah, it seems like if you're in charge of billions of dollars, you should like at least project some sort of, I don't know, non-insanity as part of your public-facing persona. And like, the, I feel like,

The thing I loved about that is as soon as it became clear that they had just accused a totally innocent man of this horrible murder, they said, well, we only did that because it was very suspicious that Brown University, like, scrubbed all, basically like referenced, removed his contact information and name from their public. Why would they do that? And this was like, after you had already, like, accused him of doing these, like, string of fucking politically motivated murders, they were like, we had no choice because it was just simply so suspicious. that our actions caused them to have to, like, protect the privacy and identity of one of their own students. They were like, we wouldn't have made this grievous mistake in the first place if Brown hadn't compounded it by, by like dealing with the fallout of our actions. You know, we loathe how people use the term schizophrenia now, but this is actual, like, schizophrenic-guer logic. If, oh, if you, if you really didn't kidnap me, why did you, why did you get a restraining order against me? Yeah, exactly.

You fucking got me there. It's just like. So for these people, in their universe, Brown is like, just another day with our new, like, we love our new adjunct professor, the guy who committed the mass shooting. Yeah. Oh, no.

People found his publicly listed page. Like, what is the risk reward for Brown of like protecting a mass shooter? Yeah. Is he that good at grading papers? Like, that is, That is a type of thing that, like, you know, I think even the most, even the most DEI lived out guy would go. I don't think, I think we should put, I think we should suspend this guy for killing all these people.

You know, you know, I mean, killing all those people because of wokeness is bad. But, you know, we do need a starting point guard for our basketball team. So we're really going to, we're going to sweet this one under the rug. You know how universities are. It's like fucking Dean Wolf. like having a werewolf on our basketball team does endanger our students in a general learning environment but you know what he can dunk how do these like how do these guys like for a guy like Sean McGuire or Hermit Dillon for that matter like these are people in elite circles presumably if not their kids probably nieces and nephews like children of other friends family friends whatever they're probably going to Brown or schools close to it. at no point are they're like, hey, this is going to sound fucking nuts, but I think Brown is not only protecting a mass shooter,

but keeping them as a paid member of the faculty for some reason. Well, look, Harvard kept Larry Summers around just about as long as they could. Well, that would be, that was the example of a school doing things right for them, you know. Standing by their, those are the kind of civil rights they're defending. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Well, you know, Felix, before we get to some of the other big news stories of the day, another story. This is a quick one, but it's another story about crime and punishment

in America that I thought you might be interested in. Headline here from the Associated Press, Tennessee governor pardons country star Jelly Roll who has sought redemption from his criminal past. It says here, Tennessee governor, Jelly Roll, it was the first federal RICO case about stealing pies from

windowsills. It said, it's a really big thing. The governor acknowledged the Nashville natives long road back from drugs in prison, through soul-searching, songwriting and advocacy for second chances. The rapper turned singer whose legal name is Jason DeFord

has spoken for years about his redemption arc before diverse audiences, from people serving time in correctional centers to concert crowds. From morons to imbecils, to fuck-offs, to clods, to shitheads.

Republican Governor Bill Lee issued the pardon after friends and civic leaders of the Grammy-nominated musician joined in and outpouring with support. Jelly Rolls convictions include robbery and drug felonies. He set up hard and it would make it easier

for him to travel internationally for concert tours and to perform Christian missionary work without filling out burdensome paperwork. Oh, great. Thank God. So many millions of souls are going to be saved.

How do you, can we get an interview with the guy who was robbed by jelly roll? How the fuck does that happen? Just run. Just walk in a brisk face. What the fuck are you doing? Well, I suppose,

with a gun, you know, I don't know. Any floor jelly roll walks on are like those Japanese anti-chin no-be nightingale floors they're all singing just go upstairs go to the second floor

in the building also also like did I you know apologies if I'm wrong and I believe in second chances and in jelly roll's case likely likely like a ninth

or tenth chance but he was he was like a fentanyl dealer that was like one of his things he was a fentanyl user and dealer didn't they just make that a weapon of mass destruction If you're a Republican, like this shit at a governor, isn't that like, okay, it's been seven entire years

since you sold a dirty bomb. I think you're in the clear to teach the uncontacted crimes about low Protestantism. Yeah, yeah. I think you can go to Sentinel Island and sing your song. I'm not all right. God. I need a favor, and I'm not all right.

Yeah, I think it was in one of the jelly rolls, big songs called I Need a Favor. That'd be a great song to perform for people who have just had their lives destroyed by like a flood or an earthquake or something. Do you have $30 on you for the bus? It's okay to not be okay is the message of his songs. And I hope it helps him with his missionary work. But my main takeaway from this story is this is another example of liberal hug-a-thug policies by a loony Republican governor. the idea that we see yeah oh because you like his music you think it's okay that oh i just pardoned now i don't give a shit he's a dangerous thug and a criminal have you seen what he

looks like he's got tattoos on his face send him to sea cot i mean i think i think we should take a lead from one of our greatest allies in the um in the gulf region and uh we should cut jelly rolls hands off he's a thief isn't he yeah it would be part of his weight loss journey. Believe me, I thought of that one. I thought I thought of doing that. Didn't get to that point, thankfully. Well, moving on from,

I guess this story is also law and order related, but this is the big sort of news media story of today is the revelation that Barry Weiss personally spiked a 60 minutes packet, like a 60 minutes segment. that was set to air this Sunday, which featured testimony from Venezuelans who basically like, well, with legal status who were, you know, renditioned to the Seacot torture prison in El Salvador.

And this was a story that 60 Minutes had already promed, like the promos had already been cut, and it had gone through every conceivable, like, level of legal and standards and practices. Like, it had been vetted to the point of near oblivion. and that Barry came along and spiked this story which is like I guess still I mean it's like still kind of shocking to me

that she would do something that blatant because like look the point of this story is that it makes the Trump administration look horrible because they have been they sent innocent people to be tortured in a foreign country's dungeons and okay I just want to I want to read Barry's statement

today this is what she said about because it's obviously very controversial and you know people are people at CBS News and elsewhere are rightly upset about this and this is this is Barry's statement I want to say something about trust our trust for each other and our trust with the public the only newsroom I'm interested in running is one in which you're able to have contentious disagreements about the thornyest editorial matters with respect and crucially where we assume the best intent of our colleagues anything else is unacceptable I held a 60 minute story because it was not ready While the story presented powerful testimony of torture at Seacot, it did not advance the ball.

The Times and other outlets have previously done similar work. The public knows that Venezuelans have been subjected to horrific treatment at this prison. To run a story on this subject two months later, we need to do more. And this is 60 minutes. We need to be able to get the principles on the record and on camera. Our viewers come first, not the listing schedule or anything else. That's my North Star, and I hope it's yours too. So, like, according to her, if anyone, like, if they're going to do any story, right?

They have to have, like, a novel, they have to bring something new. They have to get someone new on camera or something. So if you were to watch, like, CBS programming or open up the free press for that fucking matter, you wouldn't see like, for instance, 70 million stories that are like, you know, the anti-Semitism of the Ivy League that are identical to 20,000 other fucking articles that exist in tablet commentary and whatever the hell else, it add nothing. Not to mention Erica Kirk. Talk about a story that is not moving the ball forward.

She did about 80 different podcasts before you premiered your town hall with her. And it's like, what's the news you're breaking here? Her husband is dead and she's a woman of an unimaginable grace and charm and godliness. Like, and you see, like, CBS's fucking website. It was like 80 stories about her fucking pointless interview with Erica Kirk. And she's saying that, oh, and I also like her, her, are very casual dismissal that like the public knows that Venezuelans have been subjected to horrific treatment at this prison. So what's the point in belaboring it? It's not an, you know, unlike the,

the four people who don't know that Charlie Kirk has been killed already and that his widow is still a wonderful woman. I would go as hard to say the only novel features of any, like any reporting, any journalism under Barry Weiss's ages, it is anything by Olivia Ryan Gold. Yep. We're big Olivia you're Ryan Gold fans here. I love her. Legitimately, there is no one like. Felix, did you see she posted, she posted a story about Jewish parents in New York who are just kvetching that their kids

all voted for Mom Dani? And she called it, this is my magnum opus. The piece is about a thousand words long. Well, you know, some magnums are bigger than others. That's what Morris said. But what I'm always saying, hey, didn't magnums used to be smaller? but I also Liel Leibowitz's article in the free press

my favorite article I think yours too Scoop the Americanness of Scooby-Doole Yes that was so good By Dr. Cap Jackson You see the dog is sort of an All-Father figure An enjoyer and patriarch to all women Scoopy and Shaggy, they have enormous appetites,

but these are actually sexual in nature. And it's truly, you know, if modern endocrinology existed for the purposes of the mystery machine, you'd find no one actually is the most testosterone-laden member of the menagerie. The thing about Dagwood and his sandwiches is that they are standing for the penis.

The prototypical American blondie. Biddle Bailey's sergeant, he chooses to chase the secretary on the desk. And this is a man who's attended military colleges, now his military maneuvers. He could catch up with his madame if he's probably a wish. But he does it because he just wishes for private Biddle Bailey to see him pursuing the war. So it is to say, Biddle, what we do in private is not my public persona. I wear a mask. It is the pursuit of the act rather than its fulfillment, which is to say,

gives us a psychological gratification, as you can see. Just a few more things about Barry's statement here. One is, and she says, the only newsroom I'm interested is running, blah, blah, blah. When the fuck have you ever run a newsroom until last week? Like, she's always been on the opinion side

of any journalistic outlets. She's never been a reporter or fucking much of an editor as far as I can, as far as I can judge. And then more than anything, the sickest part to me about this, Bateman is she says, like, basically, we need to be able to get the principles on record and on camera. I would think that the principles in this story were the innocent Venezuelans that were

tortured in this fucking dungeon. You've got them on the record, but like, oh, we need to hear Stephen Miller's side of the story in which he says, it's actually good that this happened, and I support it. Thanks a lot. And also, like, sending up a standard by which you can't run a story unless you get the government, by the way, and the 60 minutes of people who reported this story said they gave the White House ample opportunity to comment, and they chose not to. but saying you can't run the story

unless they comment on it is essentially like a veto power over any story that 60 Minutes wants to run dealing with the White House or the American government. I guess then it's so, you know, that's their own punishment then. If they don't comment then Barry Weiss won't platform the White

House. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. But 60 Minutes producers who obviously predate Barry's tenure, they obviously pointed out that yeah, this gives the administration veto, power over anything they run about anything like this. But while she's making the point that it's like,

okay, there's no point in us running anything unless there's a novel angle. What fucking novel angle are you going to get from talking to Stephen Miller or any of these fucking dopes? They're just going to say, oh, we arrested criminals and drug dealers. Yeah. Oh, they're all trend to Agua. Where have we heard that before except for every goddamn interview they've ever done? Yeah, exactly, because that's the only thing they can say about it when they're like, well, these people had no criminal records. Some of them had legal status and like let's say let's say some of them were criminals or overstate a visa on like a

misdemeanor does that warrant them being tortured and raped in some fucking gulag like right i go as far as to say that like even if someone's a fucking trend dog limit whatever the fuck that means yeah it's a mass murder you can't rendition them to a to a fucking banana republic without due process without any due process and then to be to be tortured as a form of like judicial uh sanction against them like Like, you know, and her rather blithe statement that, like, Americans already know that these Venezuelans are being tortured. Well, it's like reading it in the New York Times is one thing. Seeing it on 60 minutes after the football, you know, after the football's over is quite a bit different.

And I think, like, that is her role as sort of ideological commissar for the new David Ellison, you know, administration-friendly CBS News, is to prevent normy Americans from coming into contact with any news story that would reflect badly on Donald Trump. when I was thinking about this, Felix, I thought about, like, obviously, like, you know, comments you've made before about what makes the New York Times effective propaganda. And I was a little bit shocked that, like, I would have thought Barry, given her experience of the New York Times, would understand the utility of, like, if you were going to be an ideological commissar and, like, be the sort of vanguard of fully transitioning, like, an institution like CBS News into just regime propaganda, you would recognize the utility and

running a few negative stories on Donald Trump so that when you come time to put your your fat fucking fingers on the scale for a story about Israel, which is the real reason you've been put in charge of this, it would go down a little smoother. But, you know, like, I don't think that's a consideration at all for these people. Like, I don't think they're trying to preserve the credibility, like, to the credibility, use the institutional credibility of CBS News to advance their political agenda. I think their political agenda is part of a project that is about removing any and all assumption

that like the news is a public good or that or that people that like people who are not immensely wealthy and powerful like have a point of view or like that something becomes true simply because David Ellison like Barry has credibility and respect because David Ellison and his shithead son

respect her like that's all that matters and I think like yeah she doesn't one of the specific reasons they picked her why it's her specifically doing this and not someone who's aligned with her, but you could at least throw some like patina of professional credibility

on is with Barry and especially among Barry's fans, I've taken to reading the replies to free press posts and posts about Barry and collecting all the sex tourists who are like that. Jim 1947 in Thailand,

she's one great gal. A little old for me, but I like her. they like to them to Barry's fans she's like a lip you know yeah like to them they're like oh it's fucking ridiculous

that anyone would think she's like a Trump water carrier and we know that because three or four times she said I don't like Trump therefore she could you know she would never ever do anything she would never like compromise

her standards for Trump like in this case and she doesn't need to do the New York Times or BBC thing of like you know actually covering some unflattering story actually doing their stated job in some instance

because they already have that they already have enough of her supporters going well clearly she's like kind of a lib so like if she's saying this you know what what do you think you know it's like I don't want to make

it seem like CBS News has ever been anything other than a fucking mouthpiece for the sort of capitalism and empire and wealth and power I mean, time to rewatch the insider, everyone. Fantastic movie, one of the best of the 90s. But, like, it's just, it's the brazenness of this.

And I think it's about, like, the assumption that, like, everybody understands the news is already ideologically biased and, like, shades things to the benefit of the people who own it. But they just, I think they want to make that explicit now so that they have, like, a free hand. Because it's not really, it can't possibly even about ratings for CBS. I think it is about like a pure exercise in that and in what wealth and power buys you in America now which is like you don't have to pretend anymore and I think that that is the real

I don't know like that that is the real consequence of Trump being in power twice now. Yeah. Is that is that no one has to pretend anymore. And as long as we're down we're down that road, I suppose we should talk about the latest the Epstein file release or whatever want to call it. I don't have I don't really have too much to

say about this. The files are all heavily redacted, but of what we do see is like fucking demonic. And like, a reminder that like the victims in these cases, you're talking, someone who are as young as 14 years old, which is like, I don't know, like I need a corrective to like, as you said, this kind of memeification of the whole thing, or at least like the shift on the, I don't know, the intellectual right as the story transitioned from being one about Bill Clinton to being one that directly implicates Donald Trump and making him look bad. There's a bit like the attempt to be like, actually I've seen was cool. and based and like he led an envious life that we should all admire and emulate and like the thing

is unlike virtually every other controversy or scandal or outright criminality of the Trump administration you can tell that this one like actually does scare them because unlike you know just murdering people in the Caribbean every like think about every other Donald Trump scandal or crime they just big dick through it they just brag about it like they don't give a shit at all whereas this one they look so obviously guilty in their attempts to cover everything up That, like, you know what, you know that shit that's been redacted is demonic. The thing that surprised me about this, too, is, um, I ever since I saw, you know, like the blaze or some fucking bullshit place like that selling like, you know, the obscened to hang himself ugly Christmas sweaters in like 2018 or 29th. I thought, you know, this is done.

This is, this has been turned to meaninglessness. And it really looked like it was going to be that way through the election, through all of this. And consequent to that, I also thought, okay, well, you know, obviously there could be things in those files that not only implicate, you know, the Bill Clinton's of this world, but also heavily implicate Trump. But there's a way to get out of that, right? We've seen it in everything from fucking Iran-Contra to little blips on the radar like Craig Spence. There is a way to like release enough of this stuff, take enough out, slow pedal things. that through both time and distance and through meeting this out

through like a series of conduits, you distance yourself further and further in the public's eyes. And if anything does come out, it will be years after you're gone. I thought that was what they were doing. It seemed quite obvious. But a combination

of there being no Steve Mnuchin figure, and this just, this being the administration of, uh, of, uh, podcasters. I was talking with a friend about Cash and Dan, how funny they are. Hell yeah. The boys. He said to me, yeah, I mean, like, when I saw that they were having podcasters in there, I knew they were fucking done, no offense.

And I said, no, if my ideal Gaddafi Sanders administration, 2016 Sanders administration came in there. And they were like, we need you, Felix, to run the FBI. I'd be like, all right, this isn't working out. I'll see you. This is going to go fucking nowhere. but the fact that they had those guys in there it meant they had no one with the bureaucratic ability

to play that you know what is it's a slimy disgusting thing but it is it takes a lot of foresight and patience to do that none of these guys had that and it seemed like Cash and Dan had people working overtime to redact these files and they still didn't fucking work

there were still photos and name checks that got through and again I mean we pointed this out at the beginning this is the biggest difference between Trump 1 and Trump Trump 1. In Trump 1, all the people who would be in charge of this, they were at least smart enough to know,

okay, there is a guy running a fucking pedophilia, sexual blackmail operation. Obviously, Donald, our boss, Donald Trump was involved. Obviously. If he wasn't involved, we'll just assume that.

Yeah. Yeah. In this one, in this one, these fucking geniuses started reading the files and they probably called each other. Cash.

I think the president might have done something. A president or a body double might have done something bad. You know, it's like when you said about Trump one is that there was enough people in that administration that knew he was a piece of shit who can't be trusted.

Or just like, you know, it's just a criminal by nature. Whereas like it seems like in the podcaster administration, they all seem to want to genuinely believe in this horse shit. Every, even this quote unquote smart ones. Like J.D's entire pitch for Trump since he has been on the ticket is, hey, everyone, I have a new father.

figure and he doesn't touch me ever. Yes, exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Like I, it's weird that he would imprint on father figures that are so obviously inadequate and bad as being a father. Yeah. It's almost like he's he's looking to, to, you know, find sort of flighty, amoral pieces of shit father figures who he can, he can prove his worth to over and over again. And it just never works. I don't know why. But like, Felix, I know I was speaking with father figures. I just rewatched up. I started to bring it up again, but I just rewatched bad Santa again. And in Billy's opening monologue in that, where he goes, where I came from, we didn't celebrate Christmas. Not because we're Jewish, but because my father was a worthless

coward piece of shit who never did any for me in his life and took it out on me. Oh, God, what a great movie. That is such a fucking great movie. Yeah. It's, no, it, God, it's, I don't know how many times I see it. Just the kid going, I could I can fix you some sandwiches over and over again. It just kills me. You want some sandwiches? It's such a little scene, but like the scene where he first meets Lauren Graham,

and he's just having that bizarre concentration with that like foosy tube looking guy in the bar. Yeah, yeah. It's that one, that is like the realest portrayal of what it's like when a crazy guy just wants to kill you for no reason that I've ever seen in cinema. I'm going to watch that on my flight home tomorrow. Yeah, you definitely should. Um, my other, I, I, I have to admit, my, like, my, my continuous, like, initial gut reaction to each one of these, like, trenches of, like, Epstein files being released, I got to say, like, the thought that is a foremost in my head, but more than anything else is, God damn, this guy had a lot of photos of himself and his friends. And I guess that makes sense if you take it holistically. But I'm like, man, this guy loved scrapbooking. He loved having photos of all his friends.

And, Felix, your point about how, like, how flat-footed they are because they actually believe in Trump as a human being being being interviewed on meet the press and was asked, like, because in the files, like I said, a couple of photos of Trump slipped through. And one of them was like, it was a framed photo of Trump on Jeffrey Epstein's desk that featured him with like six, what looked to be about a half dozen young women. and then they caught that and then redacted it after missing it on the first round and he was asked why was this photo of a desk with a drawer open containing photos of Trump taken down

and this guy Todd Blanche Deputy Attorney General says you can see in that photo there are photographs of women we learned after it released that there were concerns about those women and then the obvious question being asked is are you saying that one or more of these women

is a victim of Epstein then he goes no that's not what I'm saying so he's saying like no no no we had to redact them because the women around him were victims. So it's like, oh, how exonerating of our wonderful president? Yeah, I guess I didn't know how deep the undercover operation went. I mean, I guess he just said concerns.

Maybe he meant like, I don't know. They looked at those women's Twitters and they retweeted Norman Finkelstein. There were concerns about them. Oh, man. Like I said, I mean, like the level of redactions, you know, I mean, like, obviously, like, this is just more like, it's hard to think that this will satisfy anyone. I mean, like, I just think, like, whatever happens to this is going to be like just a steady drip of things like this. And I really don't expect, like, any kind of sort of consequences or accountability.

I just think it will continue to hurt Trump politically because, like I said, like he could not look more guilty. And he looks guilty in a way that he never does. Because the thing is, like, as I said before, like, he's guilty of so many things, but he's able to skate from it because his attitude is always... Of course I'm guilty. Of course I love doing crimes. We all love it. You would do it too if you or me, you know? But with this, he's just like, and also like similar to the Brown University thing, like when they thought there was like some young Republican was one of the victims.

And then when they thought it was the Palestinian kid, they were like, they were like, the cover up is happening. The cover up is real. And it's like, who? Who's covering it up? Like you're in charge of the FBI now. Like the number of people that would have to be like complicit in this cover up includes the head of the justice department, the head of the head of the. the FBI and like all of the Providence Police Department, all of the New York, you know, it's just like, there's no more excuses anymore for this shit.

Because it's like, you guys are the ones who would be running any cover up that would, if a cover up were possible and it's something like this, it would have to be your guys doing it. And by the way, during that conspiracy angle, when they were like, they killed Charlie Kirk, they killed blah, blah, blah, blah, they killed, they tried to kill Trump. They killed, you know, this, like the head of Brown University's college Republicans. Which is like, it's awful when like, you know, like, it's horrible for like a 20 year old to die. But like the implication was that like they're killing all the most effective Republicans, which raises the question. So they killed this 20 year old girl because she was so effective.

But like no one's even so much is tried to like bring brass knuckles to a J.D. Vance event. Very good point. Very good point. I mean, does that just not say at all? Well, speaking of J.D. Vance, the next time I want to talk about is turning points USA had their America fest over the weekend and basically like very cool videos out of this oh my oh did you see did you see the one that was like like the boys out on the town it was like a oh yeah a very pale remake of the classic online video alt right dogs with matt forney and several other um sort of i don't know

maladroids or misshapen men walking around like downtown boston just set to you know little green bag or whatever it had um it had echoes of course like we love all right dogs here but uh it It had echoes of one of my favorite directors. I know yours, too. The author Davis Oriani. Oh, of course. Of course. Yes, absolutely.

And, like, a lot of videos of, like, men who, like, smoke pipes as an affectation, like slapping other men and then running away and declaring victory over their ideological enemies. A lot of really dope shit. A lot of really cool shit. But basically, everything that happened to the U.S. A northern Italian fighting style. Pond fight. It was like, several dozen pawns.

Unfights occurred at the TPUSA America Festival this weekend. America, America Fest 25. No need for rock, pussy. But basically, everything that happened at this thing was just kind of like a lot of infighting over the shit we were talking about last week, which is like the question of like, do we get to be racist to everyone, including Jews, or are we accepting them? You know, who gets to control Charlie Kirk's legacy? Is it Candace Owens, Tucker Carlson, and Steve Bannon? Or is it, like, Ben Shapiro and, I don't know, like, his cohorts.

And, like, and J.D. Vance in the middle being like, I'm not trying to cancel anyone, man. I think we need to have a big. I agree. I agree. My wife is pretty disgusting. Yeah. I don't know why I married a jeet, guys. I hope my kids don't shoot in the street.

We shouldn't toilets in my family, huh? Oh. But, like, but then he's, like, coming out being like, okay, like, the best, though, was the, the appearance of Nicky Minaj says you're I wonder what got her into the conservative movement

besides her brother and her husband being on the fucking sex offender registry they should redo the Churchill quote if you're not a liberal by the time

you're fucking 18 you have no heart if you're not a conservative by the time you have two family members on the registry you have no brain and it's like

not only does she need to be like her husband and her brother not only does she need to enlist Trump support to I don't know, make it easier for them

to travel internationally, forget jelly roll. Allow them to travel interstate, which I really don't think should be allowed even. But also, like, nobody has listened to Nikki Minaj's music in probably six or seven years now. Oh, my God. And J.D. Van Sweeney today, he was like, Nikki over, Cardi. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, you are a gay homosexual.

If you are a man who likes Nicky Minaj's music, I'm sorry, like, there is no other... I don't know what else to say. you are a gay homosexual it's just like what do they call the the like the people who like really fucking love Nikki Minaj barbs barbs

barbs all the barbs have like gotten married they've all moved on all the barbs like they either their kids are now part of the Charlie XX army which is sort of like a children's crusade type thing yeah yeah I don't mean to offend them I don't mean to offend but

you know they they've all moved on they've all become you know semi-productive members of society. Like Little Nas-X. He was the original Nicky Menaz-Stan. Yeah. Or George Santos. You know, they've all gone on to other stuff. Yeah, exactly. But J.D., who's like, you know, I don't

I don't know quite what his I don't know what the fuck is going on with that guy. Who knows, right? Maybe he had maybe there was like a finding Forrester type thing. I don't know. Like, who the fuck knows, right? Yeah, except if he wasn't

it's sports. Yeah. I mean, who knows what his talent was in there. But Jamie Vance's affect is so fucking weird because he's half the time I hear him speak and like 70% of his posts

on anything, he sort of speaks like, who is the guy from Queer Eye, TAN France? If TAN France was like evil. Right. I just want to get to the Nicki Minaj thing. It says here. A rapper Nicky Minaj on Sunday made a surprise appearance at a gathering of conservatives in

Arizona that was memorializing late activist Charlie Kirk and used her time on stage to praise Donald Trump and Vice President J.D. Vance, calling them role models for young men. Menage mocked California Governor Gavin Newsome, referring to him as New Scum, a nickname Trump gave him.

It says here, Menaz's appearance included an awkward moment when in an attempt to praise Vance's political skills, she described him as an assassin. She paused, seemingly regretting her word choice, and after Kirk appeared to wipe a tear out of one of her eyes. The artist put her hand over her mouth while the crowd murmured.

If the internet wants to clip it, if the internet wants to clip it, who cares? I love this woman, said Erica Kirk, who became a widow when Charlie Kirk was assassinated in September. It's like, oh, Charlie. You have to laugh about it, truly. I have been called every single thing. And you know what? God is so good. You let it roll right off your back.

It's like, okay. Okay. When I saw this when he was like, J.D. Vance is an assassin as she's being interviewed by a woman who's only known and only known quality is that her husband was assassinated. And then also possibly like making it seem like J.D. was the one who pulled the trigger, which is really funny. That's how bad he wanted this.

Yeah, yeah. How bad he wanted a white wife. Are you want a guy like that in charge? And footage I saw from the TPUSA festival where they created a recreation of the debating tent that he was sitting in when he was killed.

Oh, my man. could like take photos and like it seemingly like in like here have your photo taken in a recreation of the debate tent charlie kirk was sitting in when he was killed it's like felix has there been any man any murder victim in american or world history who has been as disrespected as charlie kirk has by the people claiming to like uphold him and it's like look here's the deal felix protestants cannot do martyr martyr martyrdom no that's for catholics and for Muslims okay they're literally trying to create a shrine of where he died and it's just like yeah American Protestantism leave martyrdom to the professionals because you were fucking making it a

cock up of this whole thing like the extent to which like he has been so thoroughly humiliated by dying and it's like it's one thing for like you know people like us to make fun of him because like look if there's anyone who lived his life in a way that would warrant this it's probably Charlie Kirk but I'm talking about by the people who are trying to make him into like Martin Luther King Jr. thing we could do is like as as cruel or disrespectful or distasteful as what these

people have done. Yeah. Like there's a joke. I think I pulled it last episode I told a few times on the show. Like the concept of Jews after we, um, it was a collaboration. We worked with the Romans to crucify Christ. Yeah. The basketball hoop on the back of the cross.

So that was, that's not my joke. That's not my joke. A very foundational figure in my internet, uh, my internet history. This guy named Nitro, who was like, he was a few years older than me. He was, uh, he was on my IRC channel. Nothing weird happened. He was a great guy. But, uh,

he was a hilarious, he was a hilarious guy. Um, and that was his joke. And I've always thought it was so funny. I've always reused it. What they're doing is like 10 times worse than if you started a Protestant church that like incorporated the basketball hoop everywhere in all their imagery. Imagine if you will, the 1868

Republican National Convention and they bring out Mary Todd Lincoln like Goldberg at Somerset. I think like probably Charlie Kirk was just killed by like

you know some guy who got his brain fried by being given a tablet by his shithead disinterested parents when he was two years old probably right

simplest explanation I mean I know the guy they arrested like who knows who fucking knows but who the fuck who the fuck knows right who the fuck knows

but the reason I'm reticent to say that there's this whole thing that involves Erica is just because like could you have you ever tried to do anything with a person like this could you imagine trying to have planned an assassination with this fucking dunderhead like Jesus fuck she would reply all within a second but every the only thing that makes me even take a step back on that is every single thing she has done since he died yeah like I know they were a tacky stupid couple But, like, if I got, if I got my fucking arteries splattered all over the place, if anyone I knew, anyone is related to, they were like, every time I got out and talk about him, we wanted to be like the pride fighting championship events where one of the fighters caught on fire. We wanted to be like the Michael Javston Pepsi commercial that ruined his life.

I would come back from the grave and be like, they did it. Felix, I'm imagining you being martyred and your brother and sister immediately get like plastic surgery, 30 foot hair extensions and start appearing on every left-wing podcast, crying, and then start their own podcast. Who would be my Nicki Minaj? Oh, man. Father John Misty. That's a good one.

One of your insane stalkers, no doubt. Well, I mean, probably, but I would like it to be a beloved music. politician. Father John missed the yeah. Yeah. Joe Budden. Joe Budden.

I would love it if Joe Budden like after my death was like I loved him. I always loved him. Felix, Lil Durk from prison and Joe Button. They're like he made us both Democratic Centralists who loved

Gaddafi. Okay, how about this? Little Durk kills you in Chicago and then he becomes the third mic on this show as I tried the soldier on. Second Mike. I was supposed at this point. That would be the perfect crime, right?

Yeah. Because he'll be like, there's no way. Why would he kill this guy? I mean, I guess the only thing from a T.P. USA that I like is, I talked a little bit about this on Thursday's show. But, like, it's all about this tug of war, like I said, between, like, Ben Shapiro, who's like, people fomending conspiracies about Charlie Kirk are malevolent actors

and the cowards in this room who platform them or whatever. You pusillane, you pusillanimous, and I mentioned this on Thursday show, but I'm fascinated by Vivek Ramswame's, like, speech where he's like... He's killing it. Yeah, like, he's trying to like, says here, on Friday, Vivek Ramswame, an Indian American who is running for governor of Ohio as a Republican, took on a faction of the right that is pushing the idea of so-called heritage Americans, people whose families have been in the country for multiple generations, have a greater claim to the nation than more recent arrivals. Mr. Momsomei assailed the idea as a blood-and-soil conception of citizenship, one that is un-American at its core and about as loony as anything the woke left has actually put up. Although Mr. Monsw did not mention Vice President J.D. Vance, his remarks appeared to put him at odds with the vice president, who in a controversial July speech spoke against importing millions and millions of low-wage serfs and extolled the country and its heritage as a distinctive place with distinctive people. And this is also like, you know, Ben Shapiro is like, you know, basically saying like, candid. Candice Owens is a despicable person

because of her anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. I'll just note here that Ben Shapiro was the one who hired Candace Owens. And like, there is no difference in the content of Candace Owens' output now. I mean, Candice Owens is doing like business secrets of the Talmud type shit for years. And she's currently doing it again.

And people are being like, wow, this anti-Semitism, like, you know, this is actually anti-Semitic. But the thing is, for people like Ben Shapiro and outlets like Turning Point USA, who are now trying to like, I don't know, excise the tumor of, you know, actual anti-Semitism or trying to, like, basically, it's not about, they're totally fine with people hating Jews or even being anti-Semitic to Jews so long as they're in America.

This is only about criticism of Israel. That is the only thing they're trying to, like, excise here. Because they have, like, this is a movement, which is, all its juice that it has comes from the hatred of minorities, immigrants, women, gay people, et cetera. And like, like, you said, like, throwing a drug. drug party where you tell people that they can only do whippets, even though every other drug is available to them and in wide supply.

And look, I agree with what Vivek says about this idea about Heritage Americans. It is Looney, woke, ID, Paul, but only for wasps. You know, it's like the Heritage Americans thing is trying to do DEI, but for wasps only. And really what it is, like,

you see all sorts of posts that were like, my 11th great-grandfather was on the Mayflower and, lo, blah, they fought in the Revolutionary War. It was a civil war general. It's just like, what have you done for me lately? What have you done with your fucking life? Nothing. I also want to point out, Josh, editor, Madam, he's also brought this up.

The actual Mayflower descendants, one of the most, like, liberal demographics in America. Kamala plus 60. Yeah. Their Kamala Harris is strongest. Like, the more Mayflower your family heritage is, the more absolutely libtarded you are. If you meet a guy named Cold Arthur McMass. he voted for Kamala eight times same with like all of the old heritage towns of new england like that that is the that was the msmdc death star oh my god that is the heritage americans

that jd vans is drawing from though are like the scotch irish border reavers that were sent into appellation which is just scape scalp native americans and like basically had to be kicked out of scotland because there were too many blood feuds and there wasn't any cows left to steal Okay, those guys, those are all solidly Trump voters My family's been here a long, long time Walton Goggins from Django Yeah, exactly

And it's like, what I mean is like DEI for a very specific kind of white person Where it's just like, oh, if one of your descendants Like fought in the Civil War, that means that your opinion And your vote should count more And in fact, your lived experience should be deferred to Among all other identity groups. It reminds you like Doug Stanhope had an old

joke about how, like, nationalism is just, like, claiming credit for things that you had nothing to do with. It's just, like, like, it's just by virtue of who you're, and that's another thing. My knowledge of my family goes back to, like, maybe a great-grandparent, but if I didn't know you, I don't fucking care what you did. It's of no interest in me whatsoever. I don't care who you are, where you're from. I know, I think, I'm pretty, yeah, actually, I'm, I'm saying this because I think I do know

that someone of my grandfather's family fought for the Confederacy. So, you know. It doesn't matter to me, is what I'm saying. It doesn't matter to me. And also, half of all white people, what we would generously describe as white people in this country, are not Mayflower material or heritage Americans in any sense that these people understand it.

It's just, no, they just want to do ID Paul for themselves. And by the way, like, this is an identity group that they're not even a part of for the most part. Yeah, like J.D. Vance is not fucking Mayflower stock. Get out of here with that. Second of all, this is the most crowded up country on Earth 10 times more than Germany. Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah, fair to all, I don't know, yeah, just anyone who puts that much stock into this, we have an ancestor who was, this is how not tough he was. They drafted him into the Russian Imperial Army, and they were like, your job is piano player. And then, and then we had, you know, illiterate drug dealers, we had bootleggers. It takes all kinds. Basically, like, the heritage American population that is solidly pro Donald Trump are people whose ancestors were all white slaves. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

They were all like the groundskeeper in Absalom, Absalom. They were the kid who got raped with a corn cob. Yeah, exactly. Well, actually, like, this goes perfectly into the last story I wanted to talk about today, which is a very fascinating sort of, I don't know, panel or article that was in a city journal, which is like the sort of media outlet of the Manhattan Institute. And, you know, like, and basically, like, they did a focus group of Gen Z Republicans. And they, like, wanted to, like, and the results are pretty interesting because, like, you know,

like, because they're trying to get their hands around, like, the fact that, like, the hard right-wing agenda that they've fomented and largely been successful with based on, you know, you know, a fear and hatred of immigrants or just like, you know, like the race hate that they've been fomenting is now beginning to sort of like roll back on them in a way that makes them uncomfortable, at least as it regards Jewish people or the state of Israel or just like, it's begun to become unmanageable because all the young people like fuck with Nick Fuentes and not whoever writes for the Manhattan Institute, even though their opinions on any matter. I mean, I can't tell much of a difference between them. It's just, I don't know, like Nick Fuentes is rude. That's basically the thing. And just a few things that I wanted to mention from this, including there's a lot in here, but some highlights here is what my favorite of the people in the focus group is a guy named Bryce, who's described as a 24-year-old white Baptist man. He attended some college and previously worked in security. He is now self-employed as a writer working primarily on Star Wars YouTube channel. He is an independent voter for Trump in 2024. But I think the interesting thing about this, and like I said, I think this is actually like a like a huge.

useful and interesting article because they like in their description of like who these young people who are considered themselves like you know in their 20s and consider themselves conservatives like what are their politics really about or what are they responding to and I think the thing that was interesting is that like it's not about like any kind of material insecurity because like they make clear that most of the people that they talk to are doing quite well were young white or Latino or otherwise like you know like if anything health care is their biggest not not housing or other things like that but basically that they said like they respond to a politics that is like really vibes based and they want someone who's funny and cool and it doesn't really like like and

whose policies and sort of public persona piss people off and it's not really about policy or like or any sort of like strict conservative doctrine as it relates to capitalism or race and identity they just kind of want like sort of cool people supporting them yeah to that end it's like um I mean I think I think like the most important thing for Nick Fuentes's success among like the younger right wing base is that he's actually funny. Yeah. Because he has technology that nobody else on the right has or is able

to know. Which is having a sense of humor and being mean to his own supporters. Right. And look, Trump is funny, but there's like, there's two basic types of people who can like be funny more or less on command, right? There's people who are

funny because they just have no fucking feelings and all their comedy is based on defying expectations. And if you have, like, no feelings or no warmth or appreciation for anyone else in the world, you know, sooner or later, you're going to fucking defy expectations more than you're not, you know? And that's, that's Trump. He has some funny terms of phrases, but a lot of this comedy is based on that. Flentes is able to make traditionally funny jokes based on his knowledge of events and others.

Yeah. You know, he's, and there is a difference in these two types of things. And you, whatever else you could say about the fucking guy, uh, how comfortable he is in his own skin, uh, his own identity, whatever. He at least has that versus JD, which is just every second, uh, of, uh, public footage of J.D. He looks like he wants to crawl out of his fucking skeleton. He's like the least self-assured person I've ever seen. Yeah. He's disgusted with himself.

He is disgust. He hates every fucking word that comes out of his mouth. he is just one of the most preening, insecure people I've ever seen. Well, I mean, and you can tell that because he's gone through about seven or eight different major political conversions over the last couple years. Because, like, remember, you started out as an anti-Trump guy. Yeah. Who said he was a dangerous xenophobic and Hitler-like. Yeah, he compared him to Hitler.

But now I guess he's like, well, I am still comparing him to Hitler. But, you know, I mean that in a good way. And actually, that's like, I just want to get to it says here, they were not, for the most part, crushed, speaking of the respondents in the panels here, it says, They were not for the most part crushed by economic conditions. Their concerns about housing costs and the economy sounded more like talking points than lived traumas. They had flexibility and mobility and felt very little urgency to lock themselves into the life milestones they say they want. Even in a highly religious room, many were less likely to be sprinting toward marriage and family

and more likely to be disappointed by the dating market, convinced that there just aren't many serious partners left. It says, psychologically this group was marked by desensitization, shaped less by fear than by boredom. They were not especially anxious about their own futures. They worried about what AI and automation might do to other people than themselves. Politics is entertainment, a stage for mockery, transgression, and performance, not moral seriousness, or policy discipline. The sensibility is to help explain their media diets and their favorite characters. Most like President Donald Trump, many like Tucker Carlson and other figures who keep politics loose, funny, and combative. Vice President J.D. Vance, named by many as the next ideal president, was treated less as a flashy standard berry than a

standard bearer than as a default assumption about where the party is headed. The group knows about the on-rights more incendiary content, but mostly his background noise. About half knew who Nick Fuentes is. Some describes him as funny or provocative. Others saw him as toxic. None was fully panic. And there's a lot of like, you know, interesting responses. I think their responses on Israel are particularly interesting because they're basically all saying, I don't think the United States should support genocide or the state of Israel. But similar to like our comments about Tucker Carlson here, I don't know how far, I mean, like, look, a welcome shift in attitude, but I get the sense that, like, the young online right, like their anger at Israel is more

like you said, an anger about America being humiliated, but also I think a palpable jealousy that Israel gets to do all of the things that they wish to do in this country. Right. Without fear or, you know. Yeah. One of the most revealing, like, early online right wing things was this idea of like, oh, oh, open borders for Israel, which like, I mean, yeah. Yeah, certainly it raises a point, I guess, about how, at least at that time, in like 2015, 2016, how among like, you know, the Romney or David French set that they applied different standards for Israel than America in all things. But beyond that, there was like an aspirational, no, we should, we America should be more like Israel. and that is in separate like if you if you want a white ethno state here no matter how explicitly you say it you want american israel yeah

it's going to turn out exactly the fucking same way I when they ask obviously like I like I said I think the main thrust of this panel was to try to get like a handle on like on Nick Fuentes and like what do we do about Nick Fuentes and it says moderator asks what do you think of him George responds I think he's hilarious I agree with a lot of his points he definitely doesn't care about how it's going to be reacted to, which I respect, but I also think it can be kind of dangerous. I think I read earlier that he's not ever planning on running for political office, which I think is probably a good thing. There's a lot of baggage attached to him. I just

think he's funny, honestly, and though the humor, through his humor, he's saying a lot of things that I kind of align with. He said that all black should be in jail on Pierce Morgan, and I was like, oh my God, this guy's kind of a psycho. And Atticus goes, I dig him. He knows his market. He's not trying to please everybody. He's definitely going after more of the shock value with some of his stuff. But as far as his general beliefs or values, I sort of agree. Bryce said, Nick, I think Nick Fuentes is very dangerous for our side of things. The rights already being accused of being racist and invalidating women's issues and things like that. It's why the left keeps drawing people in, whether it gets clipped.

This is a good point. This is a good point by Brace Bolden. Yeah. I don't know why he was there. Whether it gets clipped or whether people take it serious or not, the very fact that you make light of it makes us all look bad. Ashley says, I think being too radical pushes people away and makes them look for true. elsewhere. Then Andrew, who by the way, in this article is the only one who self-identifies as a groper, he says, I would just disagree. As far as Fuentes is concerned, I feel like his

viewpoints would have been mainstream not that long ago. If he's saying something like most women want to be raped, well, 50 Shades of Gray sells like hotcakes to women. So I feel that that's just a fact. I don't think that that was the plot of 50 Shades of Grey. I mean, I haven't read it, but I don't think that that is why that book was so popular. The moderator asked, wants to get married and have babies. This is Andrew the Graper replies. Potentially, I'm a Christian, and no offense to any women here, but there's not a ton of

good traditional Christian women out there. It's like, yeah. Yeah, I think you hit on something you hit on something important here with like, I do kind of wish they had a broader sample size, but I do think it's crucial that their sample size here. It's more like

upwardly mobile or like self-replicating young conservatives, right? Yeah. Because if any, Ethos, like, defines these people. If they remind me of anything, it's, um, and anyone who's ever been like a piece of shit son will, they will remember doing this. When your parents are like,

you should get a job and just without like looking anywhere, without like going anywhere or exactly. Yeah. You're like, do you know how bad the economy is? Yeah. I remember saying that to my parents and they were like, do you get a job?

And I was like, a global economic crash just happened. have you been watching the news dad hey listeners out there if you are now or considering being a piece of shit son try that one non for size it's a really good move you know there's a lot of stuff about how hard it is to date

right now because it's hard to find women who are family oriented and share your exact politics I know the struggle continues some of them says women one of them said that women shouldn't have the right to vote and that's just common sense because women think emotionally and not politically.

When the moderator asks, who is your ideal next president? Most of them say J.D. Vance. But then some guy named Jaden says, there's this guy. He's a streamer. His name is Papa Gut. Have you ever heard of him?

Have you ever heard of Papa Gut? I have. I've seen no less than five different clips of him weeping into the camera. So I think great, great presidential material. That's where we're headed. Insanely, this is a really out of left field. Bryce, Bryce Belvin said the next president should be Michelle Obama and says, I voted for Donald

Trump last time. I'm not voting based on the party issue. I think there needs to be a lot more compassion in this country. And that's not for me a party issue. It's a person issue. I'll vote for anyone if they show the right humanitarian values. Okay. My favorite is Atticus says Donald Trump run it back. FDR did four terms. But my favorite reply is Andrew says Steve Bannon. I like him because he's an economic populist. He takes some good stances against the big tech industry. and I also agree with his foreign policy and immigration views. Leaving aside

Steve Bannon's political views, I think it's funny that after Donald Trump, you're the ideal person you have to run for president is someone even older and in worse health than he is. Yeah, I was thinking like, does this guy even like Steve Bannon or is he trying to kill him? It's just like the drunkest Irish guy,

the drunkest fattest Irish guy on the planet. Let's get him to run for president. I'm sure his heart can take it. I would love an American. run like sunny veil trailer park under jim lehi i think it would be great here here's the money graph though here here's the best responses and here's the thing that everyone uh keyed it on the question of the hour this is a question that you know

conservatives have to ask themselves these days as they wonder what what happened to the young people and that question is what do you think of adolf hitler oh i love i love these replies to the question of what do you think of adolf hitler ashley replies i think he was a great leader to be honest i think what he was going for was terrible but i think he showed very strong leadership values this is the funniest possible way to be a nazi is to be like look obviously world war two the holocaust the tens of millions of people he killed that's all very bad but i got to say he was just i i liked his i liked his highway building policies yeah like he was like he was Yeah, like he was Jack Welch.

And it's just like, and this is the tenor of a lot of their replies. Andrew says, I'm in favor of a strong executive. I think we should have a stronger executive branch. I don't think we should be killing people or doing mass genocide, obviously, but I do think we should have a strong executive. It's like, that's not a love about Hitler. It's like, not all the people he killed, but just, you know, the strength and the leadership values and sort of the way he accrued more, more authority to the executive branch of the

German Reich. He invented 6 million Sigma. I goes, listen to Bryce's response. Bryce, I myself am actually Jewish ancestrally. This is just Brace. Brace just got in this focus

group. This is another Brace Belden another Brace Belden prank. Rachel Jake back at it again. So Bryce says, I myself am actually Jewish ancestrally. I'm Christian. by faith, but Jewish by blood.

I've actually read Mindcomp. The end conclusions that he came to, absolutely abominable. But I strangely understood where he was coming from as far as wanting to improve the national state of Germany. I just love the idea that like, this is like, when we talked about, I think we were with Brian a while ago, like, all the people who were like,

say what you want about Hitler, but he was a genius military leader. It's like, no, he wasn't. He started a war and lost it and like had his country destroyed. Yeah, you can really tell a lot about a person by their response to Mindcom, but I don't just mean like agreeing with it i mean like there's some like you know hateful people out there but they could still admit like wow it really seems like a fucking mentally ill guy with an

uppers problem just down all his grievances with no like outline or anything because like it is not one of the better written books there's better fascist literature out there yeah yeah and it's like i just love this like the evolution and being a nazi in america because he used to be like if you were a nazi you were like i love adolf hitler because the Holocaust never happened, but if it did, good, and, like, it was good of him to do that. Or, like, what I liked about Hitler was all the millions of people he killed

in service of an ideology of racial supremacy. But the funny thing that was, like, to be like, yeah, Nick Fuentes is pretty based. And, like, Hitler, he was a great leader. I didn't like all the people he killed and all the needless suffering and dying, but, you know, like, he was a really good public speaker, and that's, I think, admirable.

You know what's funny about it? They sound exactly like the people who are, like, look I don't like what Biden did in Gaza but he did some great things yeah do we forget the build back better though he was a great man he wanted to restore the soul of our nation he did and he was stabbed in the back just like someone else

I know the next question though what do you think of Jewish people Atticus replies they've got Hollywood on lock Thank you Atticus I was like I like had to just be like they got Hollywood on lock and like but he means that like in a positive sense he's like damn you know they're goaded

it making movies bro this someone has read my favorite than Fujita is the Jewish way of doing George says don't they own like a ton of the media and just kind of like everything Bryce replies no different than black people Asian people or any other people

here today I don't know why I don't know why there's a single issue about Jewish people Andrew replies I would say a force for evil? I don't see why we support Israel. I think Israel is a very evil state. The genocide in Gaza killing all these poor people. The only reason we really support them is because they're the biggest donors. We have A-PAC and these are all Jewish-run organizations. This guy is the griper, by the way. And I thought, Brett, no, Andrew is. You're right, yeah. Yeah, Andrew says, moderator, let me clarify that, Andrew. You think the Jewish people are a force for evil? Yes,

sir. It doesn't bother me if it's true. Those slurs, if you're racist or whatever, that just rolls off my back. This is my country and my people have been here since the American Revolution. So I say what I want to. Once again, this fucking like brain dead ID poll on the right. A guy who has no achievements to his own name, can't even get a fucking girlfriend because I don't know, they have tattoos or whatever,

whatever ridiculous hurdle he's invented in his own mind to prevent him from talking to a woman. He's like, my family's been here since the American Revolution. So I get to say what I want and you have to take me seriously. They're doing a progressive stack for, like, uh, also white imbreds. I'm, okay, I'm sorry. Again, this is another thing that we admire about the old American neo-Nazi's,

the types of people we started the show for. Our day ones. Our day ones are first subscribers. But like, okay, you cannot, you cannot be like, I hate, I hate Jews. I hate international capital. I hate war profiteering. I love America. Pick one asshole.

Yeah, exactly. I just wanted to chime in as the Gen Z correspondent and say, I actually know a Gen Z. Groyper. I actually know, and he has an absolutely fascinating story. He was, he's from a, he's a family friend. Let's call him Joshua Cohen. He's from my friend. He's my best friend, he's part of my best friend's family.

The whole family is super rich, but the Nazi kid is from the side. of the family that is much less rich and they are constantly begging the rich side of the family for money so basically this kid Joshua, we went to this like super elite private school in the South. I got in

for free but they didn't and he got kicked out because you're a Heritage American. You got the Heritage Scholarship. Spencer's father is actually Stonewall Jackson had a very much. No my family are all Germans who came to Michigan and teach them how to build long cars.

I think my family stole our fake last name from yours. No, but what happened is that this kid ran a Discord server where he complained about having to do community service with mentally disabled kids, called them the R word, and also dropped constant N-bombs in their like full hard R. And they eventually got the great idea to invite a girl to the Discord server. And the girl immediately flipped on all of them. of them, send it everything to the dean, and they

all got kicked out of school. This kid later still found a way to get into UVA, the Ivy League of the South, and was going to... I think that gets you into UVA. Yeah, no, he probably was a straight line. He got to skip senior year because of that. You said us your Discord transcript. No, but this kid was going to get like a scholarship

to UVA, like a really good one to this very fancy school, but he refused it because he would have to get vaccinated to get the scholarship. So they ended up They ended up You're standing on business So they had to beg the rich side of the family

To get to give them the money To send them to UVA Oh my God Yeah Anyways my buddy says that every time he goes to Thanksgiving He'll just hear something from the other room It's like I mean black people made jazz music But their culture is just so rotten right now

Or just something just insane like that Talking about them like they're the white socks But the whole family They're all like Fox News Republicans Except for my friend Who's like the one live in the family But they still like are just like What the fuck is this guy's deal?

Well as always an amazing case. Yeah this I mean it's very representative Like it's you're rich But your family like I don't know Got tricked 18 times So your income bracket is like six figures Instead of seven Yeah I mean there

isn't this just true throughout all human history? There's no one you have to watch out for more than like the lowest rung of aristocracy. Like I said, the responses on whether they think, what they think about Israel is interesting to me because like Bryce says

it's one thing to declare war on terrorists. It's another thing to declare war on the race of Arab people. I tend to avoid topics on Israel because my feelings are so conflicted about it. Honestly, this is the most thought I've given the subject. I wish genocide had never even started. I feel conflicted on the subject from a biblical standpoint, I don't think we should have anything to do with putting weapons

in Israel. I actually personally don't know why we're allied with Israel at all, but from a biblical standpoint, I can see we would want to keep our eyes on Israel, because that's where things will start stirring when the end times come. And I think what's interesting about that is like, despite this like weird constellation of beliefs, I think that this is just generally kind of like reflective of the sentiment of any young person in America right now, which is like, maybe they haven't thought too much about Israel, but what they have seen of it is just like pure fucking evil. And if they think about, they're just like, I don't know, why we're involved in this. Why is this our fucking problem? And also of what I can tell

about Israel, it seems like they're really fucking evil. And not because they're Jewish, but because they've taken it upon themselves to kill all of the people who they have to share their country with. But you could see himself giving himself an on-ramp for when he becomes like Mike Johnson's staffer. Yeah, of course. Well, I guess for biblical reasons. Yeah, for a biblical Samuel. Someone says Dawson says, I think there's a lot of negative opinions on Israel based on a situation that wasn't provoked by them and they have to respond and they've responded with some mistakes and people don't appreciate america's resources going to that but if you have hamas hiding behind civilians in gaza that's not really a recipe for success so i guess some of the young people have still been

corralled into the talking points and then at the end someone madison says as christians basically we're supposed to protect them it's just like i mean it's like this is this is the problem with that it's like on the one hand you have like i said candace owens doing her business secrets of the Talmud, like actual anti-Semitism. But like, which I think is very helpful for the pro-Israel right, by the way.

It's so much so that it begins to put my, you know, conspiracy brain thinking, because it's like, if the worm is turning on Zionism in this country, it behoo supporters of Zionism to have the most popular critics of Israel

be actual protocols of the elders of Zion anti-Semites. And I mean, look, would an agent of Israel try to spring Harvey Weinstein from the clink? I don't think so. Yeah.

Yeah, so that's the, you know, I think it's interesting like the problems that the right are having now where it's just like a guy like Ben Shapiro whose entire political project is based on, like I said, fomenting conspiracies and hysteria and hatred towards black people, gay people, women,

any minority, visible or otherwise, provided that only Israelis are accepted from this. It's just not tenable. It's just not tenable. And it's like, and it's also, like, you gave Candace Owens her job. You have no problem whatsoever with any actual anti-Semitism provided it's being done and said and, you know, enjoyed by someone who supports Israel at the end of the debt. Like that is the stance that they've taken for years now. And now that they come to find, similar to the Democratic Party that a lot of young people in the country

are not holding the line, particularly on things like foreign policy vis-a-vis Israel or Ukraine. And like the House of Cards that they've assembled is beginning to, these foundations are beginning to be a little shaky. In terms of their ability to replicate what is the elite consensus on foreign policy, be it Democrat or Republican, their ability to transmit that to the next generation, whether you're on the right or the left, is breaking down. And they're having kind of a panic moment about it. Yeah, yeah. In the future, when they do more of these, I would be very interested to hear from more people who are not in the, in or like adjacent to like the con ink or like staff or world space. I would like to hear more from just like, I don't know.

I'm always, you know what I always think whenever I see like those weird annual APEC conferences where everyone's like, me and my opponent, we both try to poison you. other but we both love Israel. I always think like what the fuck did what the fuck does like an 18 year old from North Dakota think when he sees. Yeah. Yeah. Or Cash Patel going on Fox News and saying Americans have got to learn to prioritize Israel our strongest hour. Yeah. It's just like this doesn't look good. You got to try a little harder than that. Like Ted Cruz is now apparently going to run for president and like his entire platform is going to be like we need to expel anti-Semitism on the right, i.e. any criticism of Israel. Because like, what the fuck does he think? think that's going to go. I know, right? Like, well, anyway, as always with the Gen Z right,

once again, oops, all Hitler, but all Hitler in the dumbest way, imaginable. All people who admire Hitler because he was like, they think he was a good, a strong executive, I think we should have a strong executive branch, but his mistake was starting World War II with the power given to that he agreed for himself. Yeah, I mean, we always, our favorite boast of all time, where it's like, don't siege Stalin grad just take it. Yeah, yeah. That is like the intellectual core of this movement now. You know, say what you will about the guy, but he was, he was just, you know, he exhibited strong leadership values.

That's the funniest possible way to be like, you know, Adolf Hitler, he had some points. It's so stupid to, yeah, like, take the, take the plunge of being like, I like Hitler, but it's like because he had aura. Yeah. So fucking dumb. well i mean i i i guess that was like the the conclusion of this is that young people of all of any political stripe they want aura forming they want vibes they want entertainment they don't want fucking uh they don't care about policy or fucking uh ideology or even for the most part they just want someone who's cool someone who kind of like is funny and seems like them i mean there was

a place for aura farming and pa like our favorite guys did a lot of it Gaddafi oh my god yeah no one can, you know, I can say that guy never did that. Like, come on. You know. Kim Jong-un. Castro. Yeah. Zhukov. Oh, yeah. All those medals. Yeah. Chavez. Hugo Chavez.

Oh, huge one. But it has to, you know, there has to be something behind that aura. I guess, I guess, I guess Hitler could, like, win a metal or riding a bike in World War I. I'm just trying to think of, like, the left-wing equivalent to this. It's like, someone asked you, what did you think of Joseph Stalin? And, like, my reply would be like,

You know, I'm not a fan of, like, all the people who died under him. But you know what? Like, he had a dope mustache. I think, like, he did a lot for guys who have mustaches. They had a big, strong mustache, and I respect that. Not so much anything he did. But, you know, like, it was just, he was handsome. Yeah, yeah.

Not, not, I read, like, a really moving. And I like, I liked him more than Lennon because Lennon was bald and, like, I don't trust bald, man. I don't trust a guy with sides. Exactly. nothing like none of the like traditional defenses of Stalin where it's like

you know the great Promethean struggle etc. It's winning World War II it's just like he had like a great hairline for guys exactly all right let's let's leave it there for today once again

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