Chapo Trap House - Bonus: MOVIE MINDSET OSCARS PREVIEW

Episode Date: March 9, 2023

Will and Hesse (@ZeroSuitCamus, @SSDERANGEMENTSS) review the films of 2022 in this special Academy Awards preview. This is also “episode 0” of our next mini-series, MOVIE MINDSET, in which Will and Hesse will give you the keys to unlock true movie consciousness. Series coming late April, details inside.

Let's all go to the lobby. Let's all go to the lobby. Let's all go to the lobby to get ourselves a treat. Delicious things to eat. Greetings, friends, and welcome to a special bonus episode of Chapo Trap House. It's me, Wilmeniker, here, and it is my favorite time of the year. That's right, this Sunday is the 95th Academy Awards, which affords me the opportunity to take stock of the year in movies. But even more importantly, it gives me the opportunity to do a soft launch of the next Chapo Trap House miniseries. That's right, you are listening to Episode Zero of the new and official upcoming Movie Mindset podcast. And best of all, I can introduce you, although you probably already know her, to my co-host for this project, the wonderful Hessa Denny. Hessa, welcome.

Hello, Wil. Thank you. Thank you so much for having me for this lovely excursion into the world of cinema. We got much to discuss this year on the Oscars, but I would just like to give some context here to the listener. You might remember a month or two back, we made fun on the show of the New York Times critics, A.O. Scott and Manola Dargis, their picks for the top movies of the year. In one of their lists, there was a movie called Expedition Content that was described as staring at 40 minutes of a blank screen and listening to noises. We made fun of that seemingly ridiculous movie that is like the kind of movie that only a film critic would put on their best of the year list. I made fun of it, thought nothing of it, until Hessa listened to the episode and immediately texted me saying, Wil, I saw Expedition Content in theaters and all 40 minutes of the blank screen I was staring at was a stunning cinematic achievement, and I thought to myself, this is exactly the kind of sicko,

the kind of movie poisoned sicko that I need to anchor this upcoming project with me. I'm beyond saving, I'm beyond salvation. I was loving it. It was a great movie, I liked it a lot, because it's about Michael Rockefeller, who's the guy all the Harvard researchers went to, that uncontacted tribe in the 60s to document them, and Michael Rockefeller of those Rockefellers was like, yeah, I'll go down there and record some audio, and then he got killed and presumably eaten by one of the tribes, but that is some of the audio you hear. No, no, no, I wish. Can you pass the salt?

No, but it is cool because it's a bunch of audio and they translate what the natives are saying, and they're like, look at this arrogant white guy coming in here again with his gun, and he's talking about the shotgun microphone, and I don't know if it would be good not in a theater. The theater was the surround sound kind of aspect of it, but I liked it a lot. Unfortunately, and when I heard you making fun of it, I was like, yeah, that is pretty much what it is, though. You proved your bona fidesch to me as the only person I know who knows more about movies than I do. So let's talk about some movies people actually have seen and been nominated. So I prepared sort of a preamble for this year's Oscars, and I'd like to take you and the listener through it now.

And then Hesse and I will be getting into each of the movies of the year. We will give you our predictions if you'd like to make a wager on this year's Oscars, and we will also be providing what we think should win, or if we were Oscar voters, what we would be voting for, and then maybe also discuss some movies that didn't make the cut this year for the Oscars, but that are still worth talking about. So without further ado, our preview of the upcoming 95th Academy Awards. So the Oscars are the Super Bowl of movies, and they give us opportunity to take stock of the year in film and consider what the dream factory is pulling from our collective unconscious, and to try and divine in the entrails of the movies and celebs elevated to Oscar status

just what it is that is on our minds and where we might be going. This process is known as Movie Mindset. Let's begin with the overwhelming favorite, Everything Everywhere All at Once. A movie that asks, in an infinite constellation of possible universes, might there be one in which your family likes each other? Or does it not matter how many competing realities there are because it's okay to not be okay in all of them? Likewise, in The Fablemen's, we also get a look at The Family. One of our all-time great American directors pulls back the curtain on his own life and creative journey

to reveal that perhaps a lifelong love of cinema is ultimately a futile attempt to deal with and control the realization that your parents have sex and that you are doomed to follow them. Family trauma is bad enough, but the banshees of Inna Sharon is about how getting rid of someone who isn't related to you is even harder than just showing up for Christmas or Thanksgiving once a year, doubly so if you're Irish. Not sure what this means, but it's one of three big movies this year in which something bad happens to a donkey, perhaps a bad omen for the Democratic Party. Moving on from the cold wars of relationships to the hot ones of the past,

we have All Quiet on the Western Front, which is about a war that happened in the 20th century that was hell, but here's the twist, it's okay to feel bad for the German people who died in it. While World War I may be ancient history, Top Gun Maverick shows us just how cool all the next-gen wars we're going to be fighting are. No need to feel bad for any of the swag alpha males involved because war and the people who kill in them are dope as fuck. While war is a fiery crucible in which countless lives are wasted, but fame is an even deeper furnace into which millions of lives are shoveled, but unlike war, this is all for a very important purpose that's ultimately worth it, entertaining us. In both Tar and Elvis, we're asked to consider the people behind such cultural touchstones

as Jailhouse Rock, Blue Suede Shoes, Unshamed Melody, and the theme from Monster Hunter Rise. Indeed, it's important that Hollywood remind us, the Rube public, that we wouldn't have great culture without those far-seeing individuals who through alchemy transmute the base materials of hillbilly rough trade into the gold of stardom. Now Avatar The Way of Water is on the surface also a movie about war and the grim brutal process of imperial resource extraction which continues to shape all human endeavors. But actually, it is a movie about something much worse than that. Vacations. Indeed, Avatar and Triangle of Sadness both offer us glimpses of fantastic and beautiful cruises we would all love to go on. But should we? No, we shouldn't. Vacations are evil.

There is not one shred of enjoyment and luxury that you should feel good about. You fat fucking five-fingered sky demons stay at home and watch movies instead. And finally, movies can also allow us to explore subjects that are too disturbing and upsetting to consider in our day-to-day lives. I'm referring to women talking. I don't know what this movie is about. I'm just referring to the title which was so frightening to me that I've done no further investigation. So why don't we begin with Best Picture nominee Women Talking, a film that I have not seen but that you watched last night. So please, tell me, what are these women talking about? These women are, it's basically like they're having a woman studies course.

They're all men and I like wives in this compound. And first of all, the movie is gray. It's like one inch away from black and white, but not quite black and white, which is really annoying. But it's an argument between a battered wife, a first-wave feminist, a second-wave feminist, and a third-wave feminist who are all menonites. And the conclusion they come to, I actually wasn't able to finish it because I had to leave because I was late for something. A glowing review of this movie so far. But I'm sure it's excellent. It's like 12 Angry Women kind of, but I think it's taking Best Picture this year. Wow. Five or ten minutes in, I was like, this is going to clinch it. It's either this or Fablemen's, I think.

Well, when we get into making predictions, I think at the Academy Awards, at least at recent vintage, you have to take into account wokeism. And what movies that they will seek to reward based on what apology they're seeking to make for past behavior. So with women talking, it could be all the obvious bad shit Hollywood's done to women. But I guess with women talking, the point of this movie, is it that being a tradwife is not all that it's cracked up to be? From what I could gather, yeah. Because basically, it's an interesting story and there's like good performances, but it is kind of, it wasn't really my cup of tea. It's just, I can talk to a mirror and that's women talking for me. You know, I don't need to watch these women arguing, but that's why I'm a bad person.

And I think that this is the apology movie. I think some people think it's going to be everything everywhere all at once because of the largely Asian cast. I do think that's going to get a bunch of acting awards, but I don't think it's going to take Best Picture because all the anecdotes of people being like, I tried showing, this is like the best movie I've ever seen. I tried showing it to my parents and they fell asleep five minutes in. Oh, that one guy, yeah, was like, who was gutted that his dad was just like checked out during this movie that meant so much to him. But yeah, I suppose like, so by your predictive abilities, Hollywood's need to apologize to women for all of their mistreatment in the past is greater than their need to apologize to you. Asians for roughly a century of portraying them as like gong hitting sexless buffoons or demure gaysha types. Yeah, I also, I think women talking has much more of an academy sheen on it, you know, and I think everything everywhere all at once, which a lot of people are really polarized by. I think it was like a solid three star movie, you know, I think it was really good. But I think that it doesn't have the sheen.

It's like too goofy. There's too much silly stuff going on. And I think the Oscars as, you know, ridiculous as they are and as fraudulent and Mickey Mouse as they are, they still see themselves as like a serious institution in a lot of ways. So I think it can't really go to a silly goose movie. I don't see it happening. Well, like in talking about the best picture nominees and who might win and like just generally what this all means to be like a best picture winner. I just like for frame of reference to discuss the last like since 2013, the last like run of best picture winners. I'd like to go through these and I'd like to just like for you has said and the listener to just sort of think to yourself. Do I still think about any of these movies? Do these movies still like retain a cultural purchase of like the best picture of that year? And the beginning with 2013's Argo, followed by 2014's 12 Years a Slave, 2016's Spotlight, 2017's Moonlight, 2018's The Shape of Water. Oh boy. Then 2019's Green Book, then Parasite and then Nomadland and then God last year's best picture winner Koda.

Koda. A fucking TV movie seen by like 20 people that I mean like that's I think Koda might be the worst one of those. I mean, I haven't even seen this movie. But I swear to God Koda was like a book fixing scheme like engineered by Vegas or something. Someone put like someone put like the steal. Yeah, someone put $500 on Koda winning it all and made like 50 mil. Yeah, now they own Twitter. I think of those though. I think like Moonlight is like definitely still like one of the best movies of the decade. Top three for me at least. But the other ones like. I mean, I thought Parasite was good, but it's a movie that I think has like suffered from like overagulation in a way. Like, yeah, you know, I think and I think people like mistook it. I think I think it was sort of like suffered from a little bit of inflation from like the good politics brigade who looked at this movie is like, it's about class warfare and praxis and like, I just I don't think

I think it suffers from sort of movie inflation a little bit. But I do think Bong Joon Ho is a great director. But oh yeah, he's he's the goat. He's he's awesome. But back to back to women talking. This is by Sarah Polly House. Have you seen any for other films? I mean, like I'm fan of her as an actress. A great deal, you know, go Zack Snyder's Dawn of the Dead remake. Yeah, I didn't even know she was a director until this movie. But you know, there's like a bunch of really good performances in it. And I think like, I don't know, I don't want to be too mean because it's really hard to make a movie. But you know, there's that anecdote that she said where she was whenever she went through the TSA your customs for something for the movie. She would be like, yeah, I made this movie women talking and the TSA people would be like, oh, I got enough of that at home with the wife. She was like, and she was like yelling at them for it. What did she say? She was like, she was like, well, I mean, this is a movie about like men and women being raped and abused and they're incredibly insular, you know, insular like sort of shut off communities with no recourse for the rest of the world. I mean, it's sort of about how they have to choose between like, do we hold accountable these men who have horribly wronged us or do we like sever ourselves from the religion and community that orders our lives? Yeah.

We got a Jesse Buckley who's sort of like a cool indie actress in the moment. She was that movie men this year that I didn't see. Francis McDormand who's always great. Although I will use this opportunity now to slag off Nomadland, another, I thought, very undeserving, best picture winner movie. Total stinker. Yeah, just a movie. A movie. I mean, I hate to grade movies like this, but a movie that has, I mean, like what little, what little affection I could find for myself in that movie based on Francis McDormand's like great performance in it has been utterly wonderful. It has been utterly obliterated by the absolute nitwit, no talent hack director, Chloe Zhao's foray into the Marvel Universe with The Eternals, one of the worst movies I've ever seen. It's just like to see to see to see this one trick pony splay her magic hour fucking Twilight landscape, you know, one note movie movie move to go from Nomadland to doing the exact same thing in the shittiest Marvel movie ever made really puts the lie to the promise of the talent that people praised Nomadland for. My favorite part in Eternals was when the one character who is whose job it is to like make technology and give it to people is like in like Mesopotamia. And he's like, I'm going to give them a steam engine, I think. And they're like, no, it's too early. They won't they'll just destroy and he's like, OK, fine, I'll give them the plow.

And it's like, wait, what were they going to do with the steam engine if they didn't even have agriculture yet? What did you think they were going to use it for? Well, they don't even have wheels to create the a bomb several millennia later when it cuts to him standing in the rubble. It was right, Hessa. We shouldn't ever they shouldn't ever have given these humans the plow. There's a character named Sprite. So funny. No, but yeah, I thought Nomadland was a bit of like sort of like a Hollywood like poverty tourism that left a bad taste in my mouth. Absolutely. So moving on from a women talking a movie I haven't seen to the only other best picture nominee I haven't seen all quiet on the western front. I haven't seen this one either. I mean, I mean, like I'll probably eventually end up watching this movie, but I sort of feel like I know what it is. Yeah, it's good enough. But all I need to know about all basically all I can think about when I try to consider all quiet on the western front is God Lex G's tweet that he hates war movies because they all have boring haircuts for all the men. And that's reordered the way I think about not just war movies, but all movies in general. And it is true war movies are nothing but boring haircuts.

So true. Can I just ask you guys really quickly, have you been in you dated over the last month with wall to wall ads for your consideration ads for all quiet on the western front on all social media platforms? Oh, yeah, absolutely. I don't know what I can't do anything about it. I'm not in the academy. I don't know why I'm getting these ads. All I get on Twitter are all quiet on the western front vote in the academy and then gold ads like by gold. Do you think I can't do anything with it's like buddy, I would vote for you if I could, but it seems like they really want it. Yeah, I mean, no disrespect to all quiet on the western front, but I don't think Hollywood is going to award Oscar gold to this movie because they didn't blow up the Nord Stream pipeline. If Hollywood was responsible to that, they may they may apologize by giving Germany a best picture movie, but I don't think that's happening this time. All right, why don't we move on from women talking who has already already staked out a bold dark horse prediction for that will that will win best picture. So if you're looking to like make a small bet that could pay off huge. This is currently at the lowest odds for winning for winning best picture. So like, why don't we talk about the the odds on favorite that all the Vegas bookmakers are picking and has so you mentioned everything everywhere all at once. Now like you, I feel like to say that I thought that this movie was fine is fighting the scorn of the masses here because I like like similar similar to the movie writers who were a gas to find that their their parents fell asleep watching this movie.

I feel like they're like there's so much cultural baggage and like sort of expectation caught up in this movie about whether you like or don't like it. Who it's for who it's not for. I thought it was a fine movie but certainly not my favorite of the year I'm certainly rooting for Michelle yo and Daniel hey I really liked both of them. But I got to say the second hour of this movie kind of dragged for me and I found it a bit a bit precious and like the best the best summary of my problem with everything everywhere all at once comes from Chris person who I just who described it as it's just Rick and Morty and Rick and Morty is good but like Rick and Morty doesn't need to be like the entire culture and that's sort of how do I feel about like these multi verse movies. Yeah, like I was like really really on board until they started talking about theta verses and like you know all this like Marvel movie type bullshit I was like all right you're losing me a little here but I did cry at the end I was like this is a really you know it's a good emotional and I did get like a little choked up when Michelle yo first does kung fu for the first time I was like let's go because you know it's Michelle yo and I was like yeah and like you know to see her get a best actress nomination is wonderful because like I mean she's just such a great movie star and to have people if you discover her her old films and like yeah just to just to see how like not not just like gifted she is an actress but how physically talented she is as a as a as a stunt performer and a martial artist is really incredible and yeah she's got it she's in her sixties she was killing it she was flying all over the place she was kicking people I was loving it I was like let's go I really like the the first fight scene and everywhere everything everywhere all at once with Daniel Hey Kwan and the Fanny pack I thought that was really cool and well yeah but then is the movie war on I thought I thought the fights got a little too like a little too ridiculous there was a little too many bells and whistles for me and yeah it's a dildo one it lost me at points yeah yeah the dildo fight where she's fighting two guys with like dildos in their asses

and the fact that one of the directors one of the Daniels that was his cameo moment was Michelle yo hitting him with a dildo or like fighting him with a dildo I thought that was a little bit I thought it was showing your hand a little too little bit too much about like you know it was sort of like the equivalent of the scene and from Dustle Dawn where Tarantino just happened to happen to write a scene for Selma Hayek for a shot of tequila into his mouth from from her feet like yeah like like toes in mouth tequila down throat yeah I do think that Jamie Lee Curtis was like perfect casting for that villain role too though I do like her slack jawed like acting like I don't know she just got the look perfectly with that like ridiculous haircut the like Diane from Twin Peaks season three haircut like I would certainly love to see Jamie Lee Curtis win an Oscar because as someone who's had like one of the best careers in Hollywood for an actress that you could possibly you could possibly dream of someone who was defined genre after genre but like she's never really been in like an Oscar movie or never really I could see her winning a best supporting actress as sort of like a career summation and could you imagine how because it's her and Stephanie Sue got nominated both for everything everywhere once I could see like there being an uproar if she wins over Stephanie Sue because you know I feel like or Angela Bassett keep in mind oh my god yeah wait what is Angela Bassett nominated for a black panther Wakanda forever oh my god I forgot about that I'm so glad that the Marvel movies seem to be dying if if I'm not mistaken like how your lips to God's ears yeah quantum mania like bomb isn't it doing horribly well for a Marvel movie it's done it's done about as bad as one of these movies can so far whether whether the fever will have broken remains to be seen but I have like look if you like every if you liked everything everywhere all at once like no no no smoke here I thought it was a good movie just I it was a little too precious for me I didn't quite

like I said it wore thin on me in the second in the second act of the movie but that being said I do have a rooting interest and if it indeed goes according to plan and it does clean up at this Academy Awards I have a rooting interest in seeing it win because I would like to I would like it to induce a some sort of further psychic break in Hollywood elsewhere Jeff Wells I would like to see him detonate a suicide vest in protest of this millennial movie take taking credit from other films that he doesn't hate so dearly absolutely but like God willing inshallah all right everything moving on from everything everywhere all at once this is the other movie that I think is sort of a dark horse to win it's the fablements it's Spielberg back again Spielberg gets nominated a lot but his movies don't actually win that often case in point when when fucking a Shakespeare in love be out saving a movie that was like I like I thought that was be like that you're like that was like as mortal lock as you could get from for a movie to win best picture Steven Spielberg tribute to the greatest generation that date a scene where every kid in the movie theater is like oh dear God that's what grandpa did during the war oh my God can you even imagine how horrible was to be beaten out by a fucking a Tom Stoppard screenplay about about the sort of the a very writerly movie about the Genesis behind Romeo and Juliet starring Gwyneth Paltrow and the other finds brother who no one talks about I yeah I doesn't Gwyneth Paltrow show her tits in that movie too I think she does why she wins yeah but I do think that fablements is my second place pick I think if it's not women talking it's it's going to be fablements just because I do think I don't see anyone but Spielberg getting director here this year just because I think the Academy what they'll do is they'll ignore someone very pointedly for a very long time and then they'll give them like kind of a pity award like

or not a pity award but like a makeup award after like years of ignoring them kind of like how like Leo and Revenant yeah like how I'm a scent of a woman Pacino one percent of a woman but that was the year Malcolm X was so then they had to give Denzel training day yeah training day instead of Malcolm X because they had to give it to Pacino that year and it creates this like weird Domino effect and how they like didn't give it to Leonardo DiCaprio for so long I still don't think he has one does he have one for the Revenant okay yeah he finally won instead of the aviator or Wolf of Wall Street which I think yeah much better much better movies and performances or what's in Gilbert Grape yeah that too but did you what are your thoughts on the fablements did you like this movie I just watched it like a couple hours ago for the first time and I was floored I was like whoa he really wants to have sex with his mom yep I was like this is crazy I can't believe what I'm seeing there's a scene where his mom is like dancing in front of the car headlights and like they're illuminating her white dress and they're like oh we can see through your dress and he's like lovingly filming it with with his dad and her his mom's lover just like the three of them all just watching it like enraptured by this dance and I was like oh my god this is crazy I like for the exact reasons you laid out has I found the fablements fascinating because it is the only Steven Spielberg that movie that I can think of that really foregrounds sex and like because like his movies are pretty sexless like you know that the sex is implied in like Indiana Jones you know like it's usually offscreen there's one totally insane sex scene in Munich you remember that one I don't okay there is a very graphic sex scene where Eric Bonnet has sex with his like third trimester pregnant wife like after years like you're spending the last 12 years or something like assassinating Palestinian terrorists he comes home to like where she's living in Brooklyn and they have sex and he just like really

he really opens up the throttle and he's like screaming and there's like sweat just flying off his head as Steven Spielberg intercuts with the depiction of the Munich athletes getting fucking smoked at that airstrip and fucking Munich it's it's insane he's like previously like that's how he conceives of sex you know like but in the fablements from the very first scene I was fascinated by they take Paul Dano and Michelle Williams who plays Spielberg's parents or the Spielberg characters parents they take it they take him to see a movie the greatest show on earth and in that movie there's there's a train a train derailment talk about you know topical yeah topical yeah but there's a train derailment and then young the young Spielberg character like uses a model train set and like toys to film and recreate to restage this this train disaster and there was something to me so like orgasmic about like in the mind of like like a pre adolescent child the idea of like the bigness of cinema and its movement and this explosion of color and movement and then disaster as being like incredibly sexually charged and his need to to refilm and restage this disaster as a kind of this like primal Freudian scene of finding a means to control one's one's own sexuality and the sexuality of one's parents and it was this like so Freudian truly it was crazy because they're also like he keeps crashing the train and then Paul Dano is like this train is expensive you can't keep crashing it and his mom is like I'll tell you what we can do you crash it one more time and you film it and then you can watch the table for it over again don't tell your dad don't tell your dad about the film I mean I was really impressed by this movie because like Spielberg is a guy that's like you know unlike directors of like a similar class like let's say like Brian de Palma or whatever who always directs with one hand down his pants

like I've always thought Spielberg like shaded human sexuality or like his own sexuality and in this movie he's really putting it all front and center and I was really fascinated by the way this movie connects especially in young boys and young men a you know for lack of a better word movie mindset with a kind of like perversity and horniness and in this movie his um his yen his this unconscious drive to produce and make movies and to keep making them leads to like the revelation of like capturing on film and then editing together in the process the realization that your father is being cucked by Seth Rogen set when when I saw that it was Seth Rogen because it took me a few scenes because I was like there's no way that's but when I realized that I was like wow that's good for good for him wow like Spielberg movie that's big time but I also love the David Lynch cameo as John I mean this is I mean I feel like I feel like that scene was almost cheating in a way for the movie heads out there when you got the last scene of this movie you've got David Lynch just coming on and stealing the whole fucking movie playing John forward and like a recreation of a real moment that happened with Spielberg and John forward to like you know like the final thing outside of the the the the primal scene of witnessing your parents having sex like the thing that really charged it like sends him on the path that we all know Spielberg to have achieved is this astonishing moment with the great filmmaker David Lynch playing you know probably even more like even more like a titanic filmmaker in American history John forward and you know he's like smoking the cigar he's all convergingly and the lesson he gives them about how to use the horizon when you stage a shot was a very fun and like I love a cheat code yeah and I love the last shot how when he's walking out of the studio the camera like at the very end of the shot pans up like to correct it so that the horizons on the bottom yes yes yes yeah this is like I said this is sort of a cheat code for movie perverts but I really appreciated that this movie was about an interest in the cinema and movies as a kind of sexual perversion yes are you familiar with the the Lou Reed song how do you speak to an angel

I'm not actually okay I basically think the fableman's is an adaptation is a film the adaptation of the lyrics to that song the opening lyrics are a son who was cursed with a herit and mother or a weak simpering father at best is raised to play out the timeless classical motives of filial love and incest so the movie is an adaptation of a Lou Reed song and then it goes how do you speak how do you speak to the prettiest girl in the world baby you just say hello well Spielberg answers that question how do you speak to the prettiest girl in the world you just cast her in a movie yeah now has a what did you make of the fact that there's been some commentary about the inclusion of high school Spielberg his sort of schick's a girlfriend which people have subsequently come out to say he didn't have a girlfriend in high school this is made up for the movie he met John Ford and got a job working in movies after you know like after meeting the greatest American filmmaker but he was not getting pussy in high school do you think that this is a do you think this is an illegitimate contribution to his own life story by him and Mr. Krishna or did you find that this takes you out of the movie or is this all fair game well you see I I think maybe it was there to kind of throw the scent off from the mom stuff a little bit but I also think that it was really interesting that she's like hyper like Christian like super super Christian yeah and I love her like she's having a kind of a similar thing that he's having with his mom but she's having it with Jesus because she's like so sexually obsessed with Jesus she has like a wall covered in like pictures of Jesus and pictures of like I don't know like Jimmy Dean or whatever over the fucking country stuff back then that was hot but yeah I think it's it's a nice a parallel to his own like moment yeah I mean like movies Jesus Roy Rogers or Jimmy Dean you know they feel they'll come to us at night

you know yeah absolutely alright so moving on to from the fable men's I have another movie best picture nominee that I think is an adaptation of a song that I just have stuck in my head and that song is cruel to be kind by Nick low as it goes you got to be cruel to be kind in the right measure and of course I'm talking about the banshees of in a Sharon a movie about whether it is better to be cruel or kind so your thoughts on the banshees of in a Sharon I love this movie I thought it was so good I love like well I think it's also maybe a dark horse because like again I think the Academy always does this thing or in the past like 10 years at least they've been doing this thing where they pick the one no one expects them to pick like on purpose I mean most of the years like I think spotlight everyone knew that was going to win like certain other ones but like for the most part like you know Green Book Coda I think they kind of pick like a weird dark horse this year it might I don't know I could see a banshees is winning like easily see it winning to it's a small movie but it like it is very much an Oscars kind of movie I thought it was great I left the theater to after seeing that movie I left the theater profoundly depressed and like that that's usually a good sign that a movie works but to me like the banshees of in a Sharon is all about a showcase for for astonishingly good acting performances and we can get into that when we get into the acting but like I mean you got but Colin Farrell and Brendan Gleason are always great together but then you got Kerry Condon and Barry Barry Keogh or fuck I don't know Barry Keegan Barry Keegan yeah who are fucking fantastic and this movie is really nasty really funny and just really really sad and Martin McDonough I've been sort of hot and cold on him like in

Bruges I thought was great I did not like seven psychopaths I did not like three billboards outside Ebbing Missouri another big Oscars movies that I that I was a whiff for me and I didn't like that movie because I thought he was a string a little bit out of his lane in trying to comment on sort of like red state America and make it like sort of a commentary about Trump's America and I thought he was like swinging I thought he was playing a game that he didn't quite know the rules of whereas he like all his characters are like his male characters are written like 10 year olds and his female characters are written like moms and that's like the only two types of character he can write so well like three billboards that's I feel like that's why just it didn't go like mass well it may not work in a 21st century American context but man oh man does it work in a like early 20th century Irish context and now I talked about this movie with Chet and Andrew on you once pop that corn episode and we all really like this movie but one of the things I really like a joy about the banshees of initially was that I think I was probably like a good quarter or third of the way into the movie before I realized what actual year or time like era it was taking place in until you see a calendar or like this is 1923 and then like the references to the Irish Civil War that's ongoing very much in the background of this movie I thought this movie could have taken place during the American Civil War or like the Vietnam era it's like breaking the waves like when the helicopter flies in yeah yeah yeah just because of how essentially fucking backwards and provincial like rural Ireland is and it's like this mythical Aaron Island like it's it's it's supposed to be one of the Aaron Islands but it's a it's a fictional Aaron Island there is no island of in a Sharon I believe and it's like this microcosm of Ireland where it's like one tiny island oh and then right next to it and even tinier island that represents like all of the

distilled psychological pathologies of the Irish people which is that basically everyone is just waiting to die but no one can kill themselves because of the Catholic Church and like you know there's always you know there's the gay priest there's the local the local rap scallion who's a bit of an outcast but that's only because his father sexually abuses him and then there's like the woman who hasn't had 30 kids by the time she's 25 and is sort of like an outcast as well because of that but what did you make of like because the business of initially is very much a movie about male friendship and male psychology but I thought it also provided a really interesting portrait in the sister played by Kerry Condon of like this this competing depictions of male and female loneliness and how they manifest themselves and I'm wondering if you had any thoughts on that yeah I thought I thought it was like really interesting and I think like he really like I don't know hit that nail on the head in a weird way that he doesn't with his female characters and like you know in bruise or seven psychopaths or especially like three billboards where it's like it really does feel like she's a person it doesn't feel like she's like this weird caricature of like a mom you know even though she is kind of a mother figure I think like and the contrast between her and like the weird aunt that always wants staying out with my favorite character oh yeah and also every Irish village also has to have some sort of which that gives ominous prophetic statements as well when Colin Farrell is like why does he have to come over and she's like I don't want her to come over either she's coming over and I saw like her is kind of like a weird combination of where like Colin Farrell could be in the future and where his sister could be if she stays there like because Colin Farrell you know he's lost basically is for his one friend and is like alone and the people that he would want to

hang out with don't want to really hang out with him and then the sister like needs to kind of escape and spread her wings by going to like you know like Dublin or wherever she goes like the mainland which is a town with like a hundred more people that's where she escapes to but yeah I mean like I loved I loved Colin Farrell's performance in this movie I think this is probably like I think this may be his best role in my opinion because it's so it's very against type for the like the Colin Farrell characters that we know and love for he's usually like this very witty dangerous like sexy kind of like yeah a dark very sharp guy and like a very charged and in this movie he's just like I believe is one character describes him like one of God's good guys you know and I think the movie the movie asked kind of a disturbing question which is that like in the contrast between Colin Farrell's character and Brendan Gleason's we see two men that are desperately lonely and miserable but Colin Farrell is sort of like too nice and a little bit too like a little not smart enough to realize how how lonely and like depressed depressed he really is whereas Brendan Gleason's character has these artistic pretensions of like having his shitty like his shitty jiggity jig music outlast his his boring miserable life but like that's why he suffers his friendship with Colin Farrell because he's like I want to dedicate the time I have left to like composing my music and I just I don't want to be weighed down by having the same fucking conversation every day at the pub with this guy who wants to tell me about the last time his donkey took a shit it's like everyone it's so devastating when it's like everyone in town is basically telling Colin Farrell what they all seem to know and which he doesn't is that and that it's he's boring and every like one takes him aside and has to tell him in like they're a different way and it's like really heartbreaking it's like oh my god this poor guy

which is why I think it's so important to have the inclusion of the sister who tells Brendan Gleason at one point when he's like when he's you know reiterating for like the seventh time that like I've looked nothing against the guy he's just boring he's not interesting to me and she just breaks down and says none of you none of you men are fucking interesting you're all boring like none of you have like you know what it's like to live on this fucking island with you but like none of you are that special or intelligent or fucking interesting and like it's Mozart like the dates of Mozart when Mozart composed wrong and she corrects him on that like he's not like he's not that smart and the Karate Condon character is clearly the most intelligent person on this island and that's why she has to fucking leave first chance she gets and then and then Barry Keegan's character was also fantastic is the sort of like the weird outcast who's just kind of like always around and he has like you know he's in love with the sister and I really love that scene with them at the end where he's like oh you know he's like we both call old we'll go to call old people ghouls we got that in common so do you want to maybe get the get the going to date with me or whatever and then of course he kills himself yeah and yeah it's like so funny because Colin Farrell is like I'm all alone now and Barry Keegan's like you have me and he's like you know you don't really count like yeah it's like a chain of loneliness that's just getting like broken over time and I mean like if you want to talk about like the images in movies that will haunt me for like if you want me for probably as long as I live it's like after his sister leaves and we see all those scenes of Colin Farrell alone in his house with his animals where there's just like the cow in his bedroom and of course we have to get to the most heartbreaking moment in film probably this year or the last decade is the death of Jenny the donkey which was absolutely gutting RIP RIP Jenny I was so sad it was it got it was it really it hurts me to think about it really hurts me to think

about but like the whole movie you know Colin Farrell and his sister live together and she's always telling him like stop letting the animals in the house and he's like oh come on it's just Jenny and then as soon as he leaves he's just alone staring at a fire with like a cow standing next to him and it's just yeah it's so heartbreaking yeah it's just so heartbreaking the only other woman in his life yeah yeah oh and I like you remember like the the old crone prophesies is a number of deaths and like I was always I was waiting for the third one but then I realized the third one was Jenny oh yeah Jenny Jenny's the third one he buries her as a person and gives her a named grave yeah it's so sad oh my god it's like a heartbreaking for Colin Farrell yeah you just want to fly to the island and just like have a beer with it hang out you know alright um okay moving on from a bitch he's gonna share into a very interesting movie has said that I know you're a big fan of and I also was surprised by how good I thought it was Boz Lerman's Elvis I loved Elvis yeah you are a big fan of Elvis and I was actually like I went into Elvis like I saw this movie on my birthday in Los Angeles and I chose it for my birthday movie because I was expecting a ludicrous disaster but I found it was actually a very good musical biopic centered around a truly great performance by Austin Butler as Elvis and he was killing it I was like I was losing it I literally in the theater just like screaming crying like I couldn't believe what I was watching at parts like the the famous he's white moment where he's white and all of the those like five separate scenes where Elvis is like doing something in his career and sees civil rights happening on TV and he's like I should have been there it's so funny to try and like she worn that into Elvis's life I mean like the centerpiece of this movie which was like sound it sounds ludicrous to describe and it is

but it works in the reality like the movie creates such a sort of I don't know all encompassing reality that the ludicrous centerpiece of this movie is the idea that like Elvis basically brought America back from the brink following the assassination of Martin Luther King Jr. by doing a televised Christmas special in which he performed an original song that was like we gotta we gotta love each other you know like it was an original song about how like hey people like come on let's do better and like the whole middle part of that movie where Tom Hanks's character is running around reassuring TV executives that he will do a nice Christmas song like he's running around in a ridiculous Christmas sweater going he will do the jingle bells trust me and Elvis is like yeah we gotta talk about some some more important in Christmas we gotta talk about he ends he fixes race relations by wearing leather on daytime TV what happens I like Tom Hanks's performance is one of the most insane performance as I've ever seen in a movie in my life it's people have been very critical of this but I thought it worked very well in the movie like it was so but like everything in this movie is over the top but like I think it is all very much of a piece of like Bob's Lerman and its subject matter oh yeah I mean the way that I mean I thought it was like actually pretty ballsy of like how much the Colonel Tom Parker character and Tom Hanks's portrayal of him leaned into this like really seedy feeling of like kind of like a dutch fucking seedy dutch pedophile based on not pedophile but a guy as I said in my preamble basically was just like what he sees in Elvis is like a nice piece of rough trade that he can really use something with and I love how the movie basically ends when Elvis stops being a twink they treat it like his death scene basically

twink death is a movie about twink death and I I've always been a huge defender of Baszler man I've I love Mulan Rouge I love Romeo Plus Juliet I love those movies I'm not a big you know great Gatsby or Australia fan but I do Mulan Rouge I will defend to my dying day I'm not a fan of Australia the movie or the nation yeah exact period of people in it but yeah like you know like Bob's Lerman like say what you all about his movies but like they really they move they have like they their color their bombastic and like like I said like I saw Elvis which is like almost a three hour movie in the theater in which the air conditioning was broke and I actually turned 39 during the movie that's how long it was and I didn't feel the length of it even though I got a year older in the theater there was one point where I was like I was kind of sick when I went to see it and I had to like lay down on the ground during one part he was like in Vegas and I was like oh my god I'm gonna die in this movie is still going but I loved it I like genuinely genuinely loved it and like the scene that really like kind of solidified it for me is the scene where he's playing at this like stadium and it's like he's performing and they depict his like his dance moves the effect that they have on the crowd as like it's all these like still black and white photos of the crowd and it just cuts to like Normandy Beach saving Private Ryan like high pitched ringing noises showing like these teens like going like looking wild died it's like a horror movie sequence and I was like this is like one of the best scenes I've seen all year for real I mean like I thought the all of the concert scenes in it were fantastic and like it seems so ridiculous like from a 21st century perspective like trying to account for why Elvis truly was like the king of rock and roll and like the legendary figure

like the like the icon of American culture that he is and what that represents is the idea that like oh like well they'll go put me in jail for a while move my hips but like the movie really does make clear like what yo as soon as he starts doing those doing that little jiggler and whatever like an audience of like a thousand young women and teenage girls like come for the first time in their life introduce sexuality to the American mainstream and it had like it was like the Manhattan Project it was like when they split the atom and it was like Elvis just like like letting the girls feel a little bit of that little bit of that little bit of vibration somewhere inside them exactly exactly and I will say Austin Butler I mean man like the best thing is that he does not do an impersonation of Elvis like I've been doing like he really does not do an impersonation of Elvis at all and I know everyone's been making fun of the fact that like he still has the voice about committed he was doing yeah but I felt like I mean like it was it was incredible rendition of Elvis as a real human being but in the concert in the performing and singing scenes god damn like he doesn't really look like Elvis but god damn like he gets the energy and like the charisma and the fucking stage presence of like all his moves and the singing of just beautifully he has the juice it's like truly this is my favorite like I would give him leading actor for sure if I was getting out these awards get into it it's going to be it's going to be doing him and Brendan Frazier but it's a question about whether they want to apologize for the past or anoint someone in the future that they'll go on to abuse. Alright moving on from Elvis to the movie that if I were voting in terms of like what do I think is like the best picture of the year in terms of representing like the best of cinema like as a craft has to offer it's got to be Todd Fields tar. Oh yeah that's my favorite this year also I have tar fever I tar needs to sweep the Oscars tar tar won all of the electoral college votes it's tar all the way tar top bottom.

What did you say the lesson we were talking about tar is like the scene where they're going through the assistance like emails and there's just a big email that says tar wants to be dead tar wants to be dead. All caps. So funny. It's impossible to talk about this movie without talking about Kate Blanchett who you know a virtuoso performance here really and and like look I will I will not be mad if Michelle Yeowyn's best actress but not at all. To me Kate Blanchett this this is the performance of the year and now tar is a fascinating movie to me because of like when I was watching it it took me like almost 90 minutes into the movie to like really get a handle on like what what is this movie like what am I watching because like of how utterly uncanny the first like 20 minutes of the movie are that is just like this extended interview with the real Adam Gopnik and then this long like sort of lunch conversation between her and Mark Strong by the way Mark Strong having hair in this movie. It took me like 20 minutes to clock that it was Mark Strong. I'm not kidding. I thought it was Stanley Tucci to load the credits. I'm not getting at the entire movie. I thought it was Stanley Tucci but that hair. I was losing it. I was losing it. Now tar is probably the most mysterious of the best picture nominees in terms of like the hardest to pin down what is actually about and what is actually going on in it. Now I know I shared with you and I would like to share with our listeners my sort of like unified field theory of what

I love your theory. I love your theory. So now you might remember when tar came out. I think New York magazine wrote an article about is Lydia tar a real person and it was responding to people who saw this movie and then immediately went on Wikipedia to look up Lydia tar assuming because of like like how organically the reality of the movie like implied that like Lydia tar is a based on a real conductor who had some sort of like me to scandal that ruined her. But no she's an entirely fictional character and people felt sort of like betrayed or somehow like confused that she wasn't a real person. But I think this gets to the exact heart of what the movie is about because in my estimation Lydia tar in the reality of the movie is not a real person. Lydia tar is the fantasy projection of the career that either that the eight planets character believe she was owed or would have had if not for being mistreated herself or mistreating others. Now think about the opening scene of this movie. It's a very important detail this movie is that one of Lydia tar is former assistant or protege is a woman who goes on to kill herself later in the movie. And one of the first images we see in the movie if not I think the very first image like right before the Adam Goknik interview you see the back of this woman's head staring back of a like large auditorium at this like New Yorker festival looking down as Lydia tar goes on to be interviewed in depth about her like amazing stellar careers. The world's greatest conductor the world's most famous conductor which is already a clue. The reality of this movie is a little bit tweak that you're not exactly what you're seeing on screen isn't exactly reality as such. It is my contention that the lead like the Lydia tar character is the fantasy projection of the woman who killed herself. And it's very telling at a late point in this movie where Lydia tar looks at the obituary of her former assistant and the photo that the Times the fake Times article in the obituary choose chooses her red hair is obscuring her face

it's like a shock of hair in motion covering her face. This to me was a tell that if you can see the woman's face in the obituary it would be Kate Blanchette. And as the like as the movie gets more like weird as it goes on like there's a little bit of confusion. Lydia tar follows this other young protege into this like sort of CD Berlin like apartment complex and only to have her disappear and then fall down and hit her head. From that point on the movie the reality begins to break down a little bit and then we get to the famous final shot of the movie in which the Lydia tar character is supposedly exiled to the Philippines to conduct symphony music for a video game convention. Like the last third of the movie or like the last 20 or 30 minutes of the movie is the realest part of the movie. And like when when tar goes home to that like it's like this very claustrophobic scene of her going home to like her house. And like she's not Lydia tar she's like the person she's still that person she's Linda tar Linda tar yeah like she's that person who never had the career of being like Leonard Bernstein's protege. She watches the video of Leonard Bernstein talking about like music and conducting that inspired her and the whole first two thirds of the movie is this like bittersweet like it's like the fantasy that she created for herself can't be maintained any longer and like just the detail upon detail of her being like an egot when like an egot yeah winner going on Alec Baldwin's podcast just the just even concede that there is such a thing as the world's most famous conductor. Yeah it's like all all suggests to me a sort of like a fantasy reality that breaks down as the movie continues and like a lot of people talked about this movie as a ghost story. I think that that's like definitely like within the bounds of what I'm talking about is that like the ghost she's being haunted by is the ghost of like the reality of her actual life and not the the fantasy of like the

best career in classical music that she feels she was owed and then like you know the famous scene of her owning the S. J. Dubb at Juilliard like the reality of that scene breaks down to because like there's a certain quality to it that has it has the quality to me of an argument you have in your head in the shower where you're like yeah literally like like that's how I own this like an imaginary person who tries to tell me that Bach is an important because he's a dead old white man. Yeah literally and like also when they're showing her like video and they're like we're we're gonna have to this video just surfaced and it's like a YouTube poop like yeah it's like cut like a YouTube poop shot like yeah from an angle where there is no student there holding a camera and when they could have just like posted the video probably of like the actual conversation but instead they like edit it because everything has to be everyone working against her in this like weird way you know on every level possible yeah but and here's where I get like the I think one of the more interesting themes explored in tar is that going into it like all I was aware of was sort of the like commentary around it which seemed to focus on this idea that it was this kind of like me to cancel culture morality tail which it very much isn't and if you're going into the movie expecting that you're going to be very surprised however the way the movie deals with Lydia Tarr's cancellation I thought was very interesting because I think it's like kind of similar to the banshees of Sharon which is another movie I think that is kind of about the vanity of artists and the way they think of themselves as sort of better or different than everyone else I think the way cancellation is portrayed in tar is in my in my interpretation of it is it about how is about how cancellation is in fact actually kind of a pleasant fantasy for artists in a certain sense because it means that like you're off the hook for the thing that you thought that you couldn't achieve in the first place it is a way to kind of like a self

like a desire for self-immolation that lets you off the hook and that there is something distinctly pleasurable about the idea of being cancelled and being like rid of it all. And I think that fits with because I didn't have the same reading you did of like you know the Mulholland drive ask you know like vision before death like kind of you know fantasy life flashing before her eyes thing but it's still like that still fits like even without that because there are so many chances that she has to like kind of save herself like when they're like well this video just came out we have to discuss this with the people on the board and so I think it would be really good if you were there and she's like well I can't because I have to read an excerpt from my book tar on tar and this is one of my favorite one of my other favorite parts is when it shows her reading the excerpt from the book and the excerpt from the book is so bad yes yes yes there are many movement of the soul or something like such bullshit yes there are many hints throughout the movie that tar is a complete bullshit artist and I bullshit artist who has like reserved for herself this this this like this niche of high culture that really doesn't matter to anyone anymore and I think like that like that's the point of the last scene of the movie like the real joke of it is that like the like high culture like there is no more high culture it's like video game culture now like it's like it's passed you by literally and I do it's like so fucking funny to like I love like no one ever talks about how like hilarious tar is a lot of the time like it's a very one of my yeah one of my favorite moments is after she falls because she runs from a dog that may remain out of existed and by the way with the first time I saw this movie I got into a huge fight with my friend because my I was like yeah and then she saw the creature in the basement and my friend is like what the fuck are you talking about a creature

that was a dog and I was like that was definitely a creature we got into a huge fight but I think we were both right because the dog is a creature at the end of the day but she runs from this she runs from this creature and falls and like smashes her face and then goes into like work on the conducting the next day and she walks in and her faces all busted up and everyone there's like murmurs from the orchestra and she's like now let's deal with the elephant in the room right away get it out of the way right right now so it's not a big thing weighing on everyone's mind I was attacked and let's get started and then she instantly goes into she just says like I was attacked like making it even more of a thing than it was before when she didn't say anything it's so like BPD if you haven't seen tar I think the way to go into the movie like because I said it took me like 90 minutes to like get my arms around what exactly I was like what this movie really was but I think if you go into it understanding that it is an incredibly dry comedy and you know maybe this is a little too easy but like I'm going to put my marker on this directed by Todd Field who you might remember as one Nick Nightingale from the Stanley Kubrick film Eyes Wide Shut him and Stanley had a you know a working relationship they were very close with one another and I can't help but interpret this movie as I do all Kubrick movies is that the way to understand all of them is that they are all incredibly cold and incredibly dry comedies of manners and that is I think basically the key to understanding tar absolutely and I like when I first saw this I saw in theaters I saw like most of these movies in theaters honestly which is really surprising this was a really good year for movies I think and I when I first saw tar I saw it with like four friends and I took an edible before going in this is this is movie mindset now yeah exactly I the edible hit like before them like right when the movie started and for the first like literal maybe 15 to 20 minutes I was laughing hysterically because the

I was like Max Katie in Cape Fear like literally size cigar everyone in the movie I was like looking rudely at you just yeah yeah this person I was like this is not funny this is about this is about me too well but like the first like 15 to 20 minutes is literally almost incomprehensible the list of accolades yes the New York the New Yorker person like Adam got Nick is like five and a half minutes long and right when you think it's going to be over he just keeps like spitting out more and more like accolades and the the dinner the lunch scene after where they're like oh yeah the tremolo on the second you're like what the fuck are these people talking about what are they talking about but I gotta say like the unkindness of how on point that was like particularly just as it relates to my experiences in the publishing industry in the world of like I've been at so many of those type those those events that Adam got Nick if not him specifically we're moderating and like they all feel like that but like even then I had the attitude of just being like what is what is this what am I looking at these people and just my one last thought about tar is I think like like I said like I think the skeleton key to the movie is in the opening interview between her and Adam got Nick and one of the first thing she says about conducting is very interesting and she talks about how as the conductor she's in control of time and like like in a piece of music or a film or like you know like like any any piece of art in which like you as the experience are traversing time with an artist like even if the artist has been dead for centuries it's this it's this sense that like through art we can like set the tempo but like that the artist the person in control gets to like basically rewrite and control time and like cross time and even death and like that's really what the hope of art is but I think like in that you get a hint into the kind of like the self mythology and the kind of self invention and the control of one's own narrative that I think is kind of a key to the kind of the

more the unrealities of the movie or the dream like aspects of it. Yeah absolutely. I think like and I love her like in that interview at the beginning I was like oh this bitch is smart like as I need a smart bitch like Lydia literally. I need a bitch to suck at tar style. It's so hard that I gotta kill myself after. Yeah I need that Mahler's Fifth Symphony type of shit. But yeah like all sorts of I mean we could talk about tar all day like the scene where she's like actually I got one final thing about tar and that's just because I saw that fucking nitwit Hassan Minaj make some sort of fucking joke at some award show about how the end of that movie was like pseudo racist because it was like oh like the worst thing that can happen to a white woman is that she lives in the Philippines and I was just like you fucking Philistine. How dare you say that in front of Kate Blanchett. Take it back asshole. Yeah literally. I think it just misreads the entire movie. It's like really fun and I did enjoy how that didn't really get a lot of laughs No it was a fucking bomb. It was a real stinker. I mean and it's so obvious it's making fun of like these are like to her these are smelly video game people like it's not that she's in another country it's that she's not in Berlin you know like conducting the Philharmonic it could be Iceland or whatever it's just like you know she's at rock bottom she's in the bottom of the tarpets truly. And what about that scene towards the end of the movie where she goes into like get a massage and there's like these girls presented to her and she's asked to choose and the one she chooses is number five for the fifth symphony the missing piece of her entire career that's been leading up to doing all of Mahler's symphonies the fifth one being the final piece that she never achieves and has left missing I think is like you know another little clue or something to consider based on the time we've been talking about alone I think it's very clear that tar is both of our choice for best picture of the year. I would just like to move now quickly through the last two on the list if we've forgotten anything else

oh no there's still three to go but I'm gonna do pretty quickly Top Gun Maverick and Avatar way of water I'm not gonna spend too much time on these movies because I've already recorded two full episodes singing their praises so I mean you can go back and see my already well established thoughts on both Avatar the way of water and Top Gun Maverick needless to say I love them both absolutely yeah same same I Avatar was another one that I saw in theaters way too high off an edible and I was losing it the whole time I was screaming yelling and screaming alright let's get to the final movie on the best picture roster and maybe this is one that we'll disagree on this is certainly this is gonna be my least favorite of these movies I'm talking about Triangle of Sadness a movie I just saw and hated I'd be interested in your thoughts on this but like this is maybe this is up there with Infinity Pool two very related movies as my least favorite like the movie that made I was physically angry leaving the theater after watching this fucking piece of shit well I feel differently please let's let's debate it out I texted you about like 20 or so minutes in and I was like I'm watching Triangle of Sadness this is pretty good I like this a lot but I do like my thoughts have changed since finishing the movie because I do think like it's three separate movies in like crammed into one it's like the beginning and then the part on the boat and then the part on the island

and each movie is progressively worse by like an order of magnitude than the one before it and like I really liked it up until the part where they're talking about we're Woody Harrelson and the other guy we're talking about Marks over the loudspeaker it's like that was like okay I was like look I would take a joke at my expense as a lefty podcaster if it were even slightly funny yeah and this movie was just like what felt like 10 hours of the most crushingly crushingly heavy handed satire I've ever experienced and by the way I think people I mean like I'm sort of astounded by how many people are interpreting Triangle of Sadness as some sort of like anti-capitalist scathing piece of anti-capitalist satire because I don't know what movie they watch I think this is very much part and parcel of a lot of movies now that throw out you know like they they they revel in the in the idea that like the rich IE the people watching this movie are all venal shallow selfish credence right but like it sort of inoculates the audience from the satire because it's just all about like oh we recognize ourselves in this and by laughing at what cruel assholes we are we're sort of in on the joke and we like oh we know how evil we are but then I felt like the whole third act of the movie on the island which was like by far the worst part of the movie I think just like it's like oh capitalism socialism like it's all fucked up everyone's selfish in any situation there's going to be inequalities of power and what are people going to do when they have power keep it and lord it over other so I think like the point of the third act of the movie where like the like the the woman who's like cleaning toilets on the yacht begins like extorting sexual favors from the male model and look it she like the power that she has is more justified because she actually has skills that are necessary to not die on an island like fishing and building a fire but at the same time it's just like I think it is a movie about reassuring the viewer that hey the people who serve us are just as venal as we are and guess what capitalism socialism

there's really nothing to be done about any of it because look there's always going to be people with power and people who don't have power and I think like that the the moment that really exemplified that for me in the movie was when Woody Harrelson who's the captain of the ship and is Marxist as he says is talking over the loudspeaker because he's like hammered and the ship is basically like going down and it's like Phil like the toilets are overflowing like shit is like filling the corridors the powers out and people are just like in like life vests huddled in the halls and it's like a mother and a daughter and meanwhile Woody Harrelson's on the speaker like and you you people are so privileged you have no idea how good you have it and it cuts to like a mother and daughter like huddling for warmth like in like ankle deep and shit like in a dark hallway and it's like wow this really is making me think I think like the beginning like the first like 15 or 20 minutes were my favorite part like by far I have a friend who's a male model my friend read and I was like is that really what it's like and he was like yeah that's exactly what it's like the casting part at the beginning I was like yeah and I think like that was like so much more interesting than like the shit on the boat and the stuff on the island I would have loved to see like more goofing off more of the models goofing off and there were like so many director like directing choices that I thought were cool at that part and like you know the throwing up scene was cool but yeah it really falls apart at the end. The throwing up scene I was laughing when everyone was just puking and shitting for like the way they like the way they just keep going with that like you just keep seeing it.

I thought it was pretty funny but it was like sandwiched in like I said what I felt like was 10 hours of just like the most lead in just not funny like crushingly unfunny shit I've ever seen in a movie. When I got done with this movie I was just I wanted the director Ruben Ostland I was just like go back to Sweden motherfucker we don't want your movies here fuck off. I was like my favorite thing in the throwing up scene was that all the people like all the people in the like galley or like physically like you can tell they're all getting sick like they're all like you know pale faced like stare the thousand yard stare and the the surfers keep being like if you're feeling sick you should eat something. They keep saying it they say it like 10 times to 10 different people as people are like vomiting like if you feel sick you should eat something it's better on a full stomach than an empty stomach. I sort of feel like the same material is being plumbed in the white lotus obviously I mean I show I once I show I actually quite like but the thing is like as as vicious as the portrayal is of the people like that it's satirizing. I can't like maybe I'm speaking maybe I'm revealing like too much about myself here but like in both triangle of sadness and when I watch white lotus. The single dominating thought I have is man I would like to go on one of these luxury vacations they look like glass onion like yeah yeah why are there all these weird like vacation movies.

Infinity pool infinity yeah like there's so many of these like what is going on people love like a luxury vacation that goes awry I feel like. I think it's kind of like a hangout I think it's like movies are catching up to like psychologically what what what the covid lockdown did to people so I think it's understandable that people are seeking. A way out of their fucking house and their daily life working from home so like the vacation has become this very like politically and culturally contested terrain. And I like what I don't like about all these things is that they're just all sort of about like the nicer the vacation the worse you should feel about it. Yeah literally and I think it's this half ass form of like guilty liberal like conscience mongering that that that that doesn't really doesn't click with me. You know I will say though I think the white lotus is a very good TV show. I have I still have to watch it I still have to I haven't seen it. It's funny the white lotus is funny and I think it's like well written and the characters are good.

I've heard it's really good. Now before we get into our picks there's one last movie that did not make the cut for best picture. And nor should it have in my opinion. However I don't think it's an interesting movie and I'm wondering if you saw it. Tessa I'm sorry. Have you seen Babylon? I haven't seen Babylon. I thought you were going to say blonde and now it's about to say I want to I do want to ask you about blonde as well.

I haven't seen blonde because I've been like afraid to because I know it's going to be an ordeal to get through. I don't know if I'll like it or not like it. I have I do like that director's other movies. But maybe we can devote another episode just to talking about Babylon because it's interesting. But it is trademark Lex G the most bozo mode movie I have ever seen. And it is fascinating in that regard. I think I there's too much to talk about in terms of Babylon without someone who's seen it. But could you quickly tell me about blonde?

Blonde I really liked it. So is it like is it a cruel like carnival of torture? Yeah. They'll get awesome. I mean a lot of it is for sure. But it's it's so like crazy. It's really fucking crazy. And I don't know it's so bold. There's so many insane choices being made.

There's so many like breathtaking like shots and like great scenes. Like Anna de Armas is like so good. I think in any other universe this would be in any other year. This would be like by far and away like best actress like a gimme. Yeah. I really I really liked it. It is definitely really cruel and evil. I mean it's like morally I do. I think it should have been made probably not.

OK. I mean like that's a ring endorsement for a movie as far as I'm concerned. Yeah. Morally poisonous to the soul. I mean it's a good review of a movie. And there are so many scenes that like hit there like some there are a lot of scenes that just completely miss to the point where it's like laughable. But there are so many crazy scenes like her like sucking off JFK.

Well he has his back brace on and the moon the rocket launches on TV in the background. I'm like launching the Apollo rocket and like as he's nutting he's just watching this rocket like take off. And you know the CIA kind of aborting the kidnapping her and aborting her baby with JFK like in a horrifying scene where she like wakes up and it's like literally silence of the lambs like night vision goggles and her house is filled with like G men that are hiding in corners and she's like in the dark like fumbling for the light switch.

It's like really great. There are so many crazy shots like that. There's like the music is really weird. I think the music is really funny. I don't think it's good because it's like but there are like these weird like moments where these weird decisions like I don't know if there are so many like compounding insane decisions and Joyce Carol Oates is like such a good writer. I feel like she gets lumped in with like James Patterson stuff like as like Airport Book

Fair but she's like actually genuinely like a really talented writer. Well she's been on fire on Twitter lately. Yeah. And she's she's on fire and she's spitting. I love her. Well I say here's here's my most important question about blonde. Is it true that Anna Darmus is basically naked the entire movie and what are her tits like because you know I know I know I still remember Gwyneth from Shakespeare and Love.

Yeah. Like this movie is quite generous with Anna Darmus being naked and you know yes in the context of a deeply unpleasant carnival of horror and sadism but like am I going to enjoy seeing Anna Darmus naked or am I going to feel bad for wanting to see her naked. I think it's you're probably going to feel bad. Okay. I mean it's never in like a good context. It's always in a pretty bad mode.

Like yeah and Adrian Brody shows up playing Arthur Miller which I really took me off guard. I was I like leaned over in theater in the theater and like whispered to my girlfriend like that's Adrian Brody. Does someone play Edward G. Robinson Jr. Yes yes they got like a twink to play. They got two twinks to play Edward G. Robinson Jr. and Charlie Chaplin Jr. Don't they like double team her at one point. Yeah they have a thruple.

They have like it's the happiest years of her life when she's like you know with in this like threesome thing with them but yeah it wasn't meant to be unfortunately. All right well those are some of the some of the ones that didn't make the cut. So all right let's get into the balloting. Best picture. Aqua out of the western front. Avatar out of the way of water. Banshee's a bit of Sharon.

Elvis. Everything everywhere all at once. The fable wins tar. Top god Maverick. Triangle of sadness. Women talking. Hesse you've already made you've already put your marker down a bold bold long shot prediction of women talking.

Yes. Winning. And and you agree with me that if you were voting you'd probably vote for tar. Like that's the one you'd like to see win. Absolutely yeah. Okay now the chalk pick for this is everything everywhere all at once. I think that's probably going to win but if I'm filling out my ballot here I just can't go with chalk.

So I think I'm going to go with the fable men's because Hollywood loves movies that jack off itself. Yeah I think I think that's my second pick like very close second behind women's Hawking which makes me insane but I don't know I got to go with my gut. I got to go with my my heart. All right let's get into the acting or no best director. Okay best director first. Martin McDonough.

Banshee's of inner Sharon. The Daniels for everything everywhere all at once. Spielberg for the fable men's. Todd Field for tar. And Ruben Ostland for triangle of sadness. Who do you think you said Spielberg and you think you're going to give it to Spielberg for this one because they like you know just a career summation. I think it's either.

I think if fable men's wins best picture they'll give it to Todd Field they'll give director to Todd Field. But you're right I think it's fable men's will either win best director or best picture but not both. Yeah I agree but yeah other than that I think Spielberg I think is going to be the clear winner here. Yeah I think I don't think they're going to give it to the Daniels. I think they're too young and the movie is a little too wacky.

I think it is probably going to be either Spielberg or Todd Field and I'd like to see Todd Field win. But it's hard for me to imagine Ruben Ostland or Martin McDonough winning anything in this category. Yeah. All right best actress Kate Blanchett for tar Anna DeArmas for blonde Andrea Reisboro for two Leslie Michelle Williams for the fable men's and Michelle Yeo for everything everywhere all at once.

Now I agree with you I think that this is a two person race between Michelle Yeo and Kate Blanchett. Michelle Yeo has already won like the preceding awards like the Golden Globes and a couple of the other ones I think like so she's she's in the pole position right now having won these awards but often the Oscars go well and at least one actor or actress they'll cut against the Golden Globes and the Hollywood Foreign Press. So this one I think Michelle Yeo will win it but I think Kate Blanchett should win it but either way I'm not mad at it.

I think whoever wins we win it's like the opposite of alien versus predator where it's you know two two dynamite actresses and I'm going to be so happy for either of them or Andrea Reisboro. Well Andrea Reisboro I won't be mad at her either just because of Mandy like to me that will be like her getting the award for Mandy. I love her grass roots her weird grass roots campaign that was good on her. We need more people lobbying lobbying for themselves. You know absolutely best actor Austin Butler for Elvis Colin Farrell for the banshees of

Inno Sharon Brendan Fraser for the whale Paul Mezgal for Aftersun and Bill Nighy for living. Now to me that this is also again a two person race it's either going to be Austin Butler or Brendan Fraser. I think Brendan Fraser will win it because Hollywood would like to apologize to him for raping him. Yeah I think he's going to win too yeah. Did you see the whale? I have not seen it either it's one of those movies that's just like I know I'm going

to hate probably and it seems like an absolute ordeal. It looks like I'm like I'm just going to be so sad I want to watch it Ben Ben was like do you want to watch do you want to go see the whale in theaters it looks so funny and it looks so sad what are you talking about like Austin Butler I think he's like ascendant right now and I think I said it's like I think they're going to apologize to the guy whose career they did fuck up and abuse and they're going to do that and anoint Austin Butler as the next guy that they're going to fuck up and abuse however if I were voting I would like to see Colin Farrell win this award.

I could see him winning honestly I think like yeah I think he has a horse in the race I don't think I don't even know what that Bill Nye movie is I truly like I've never even heard of it. No I have no no idea I think it's based on a Kazoo Isha Guru novel I think it's about an old gay British guy basically. Okay awesome and I really want to see After Sun I think I'm going to watch it after this I rented it. I will use Paul Mescal's nomination for best actor here to talk about After Sun a movie

that I thought was fantastic I thought it could easily probably could be in the best picture contention it's one of the better movies I've seen this year I don't it's one of those movies that like don't like like try not to read too much about it before you watch it because I think the effect of the movie is best going in cold but it is a it is a it portrays a vacation taken between a father and daughter who's like you know she's like young teenage years and her father played by Paul Mescal is very young like you know it's like she's like I think she's about like 12 or 13 years old in the movie I think he had clearly had the daughter when he was like 20 or 19 or something like that how should

I put this this is a movie that the entire it's a very quiet intimate and like deeply felt movie about a relationship between a father and a daughter and about how like the memories we have as child the memories that we have of people in our childhood are really all we have of them in one point like I think it's a very devastating and sad movie about memory and family and all I'll say about it is that like both of the lead performances of Paul Mescal and the girl who plays his daughter Frankie Corey I believe is one of the best performances by a child actor I've ever seen in the movie is one of the most realistic and like credibly portrayed like young people I've seen in a movie I don't

want to give too much away about the movie all I will say is that like the whole movie it had my heart in a vice from like the first 15 minutes of it and I was just waiting for like the other shoe to drop and for something bad to happen and I like I guess spoiler alert I'm giving away a lot by saying nothing bad does happen in the movie but the ending is so so devastating because of that after Sun is a movie I highly recommend it is a really I was really affected by it and you want to talk about a movie that made me cry at the end of it after Sun really really gutted me oh wow yeah I'm definitely gonna watch after this then okay moving on to my favorite categories the supporting actor categories best supporting

actress we have Angela Bassett for a black panther Wakanda forever Hong Chao for the whale Carrie Condon for the banshees of an Asherin Jamie Lee Curtis for everything everywhere all at once and Stephanie how do you pronounce her last name has a I think it's Sue I think Stephanie Sue Stephanie Sue for everything everywhere all at once to me that this is once again this is a two-person race between Angela Bassett and Jamie Lee Curtis like and it's just a question of like which one of these grand domes would they like to give a career achievement award I think this is the one I'm gonna put my marker down I think I Jamie Lee Curtis will win it and I think she should however I fall is voting I would probably vote

for Carrie Condon's performance in the banshees of an Asherin but it's either Angela Angela Bassett which is like look Angela Bassett's great but I just cannot bear to see someone get rewarded for being in black panther Wakanda forever yeah I think I don't see Angela Bassett getting it for that I if I was giving the award I would probably give it to Hong Chao because that's my girl I haven't seen the whale yet but I think she should win probably because I love her and she probably does a really good job in it I really love her as an actress like her pardon and in in in inherent vice like I think she has the best line delivery in a movie that is all like a plus line deliveries which is when she's talking about how her

roommate can't stop can't stop like listening to spotted dick this band and is like kind of going off to walkie and phoenix about it I love her in everything I'll probably end up seeing the whale just because of her but I think Stephanie Sue might take it I think odds are I think she would probably win it before Jamie Lee Curtis but I'm not sure yeah I really don't know if I really don't know you know it's anyone's game in this category I think that best supporting actor Brendan Gleason for banshees of Inno Sharon Brian Tyree Henry for a movie called causeway that I fucking never had no idea what that movie is it's it's everyone's favorite place to drive a car Judd Hirsch for the fable bins

Barry Keegan for the banshees of Inno Sharon and Keihei Kwan for everything everywhere all at once this is the easiest one in my opinion it's Keihei Kwan for everything everywhere all at once yeah this is the one that's the lock because just of him like just the narrative of him as an actor him on all these talk shows just the fact that like he spent like 20 years just out of the industry and now just like to come back like this this this is irresistible this is like this is an absolute lock it's Keihei Kwan all the way and I don't know I I would probably vote for Brendan Gleason because I like him so much but Keihei Kwan was really good in everything everywhere I really liked him in it I his like softness and like all

the parts where he's in Hong Kong I loved when he was in Hong Kong like smoking the cigarette like yeah when he like gets to be like a sort of suave dashing guy instead of this like befuddled kind of like beta husband yeah I really loved him in that movie honestly yeah he was really he he moved my heart in that movie yeah so I think he's gonna win and I would probably vote for him I mean especially considering like the story he just told on like late night TV about how he lost his health insurance holy shit like he like he lost his health insurance before like for an entire year because like they stopped filming this movie because of COVID and he was calling his agent being like I just need one job to

re-up my health insurance for the next year and he couldn't get one no one gave him any work and then like you know so this is this is the real feel-good triumphant story of this year in the Academy Awards and like it's his category and no one else yeah alright yeah he better win cinematography editing screenplay adaptive screenplay we can skip over those I just want to talk a little bit about international feature and animated feature so for international feature we've got All Quieter the Western Front a movie called Argentina 1985 a movie called close clothes from Belgium or close I don't know EO from Poland and The Quiet Girl from Ireland conspicuously absent from this list is RRR

the movie that absolutely should win Best Foreign Feature that was one of if not my favorite movie of the year RRR is it's nominated for Best Original Song they're going to perform not to not to at the Oscar which is like the main reason I'm going to watch the awards this year but glaring glaring error on the part of the Academy not nominating RRR in this category probably it's it's everything like that the hype about it is if anything undersells just how insane and like off the hook this movie I gotta see it I gotta see it maybe I'll watch that tonight also I mean it's it like this is like it's the promise of like movie making of like big okay the way I would describe RRR and the director

of this movie has since name-checked Mel Gibson as a major influence on him this is the movie Mel Gibson would make if he were Hindu instead of Catholic and like if that doesn't sell it for you assault I mean yeah there is just insane violence an unbelievable hatred of the British like like manliness but tempered with a lot of it like one scene of extreme homoerotic sadism so this it says this has the this has the DNA of Mel's hell all over it I cannot I cannot rave enough about RRR just everything about it I was floating watching this movie amazing I got to check it out now as for what will win I mean look all part of the western front is nominated for best picture so the fact that like it's not gonna

win best picture it almost certainly gonna win best foreign film I have not seen like any of these movies although I really do want to see EO the other major movie about a donkey this year I've heard of close I one of my friends really liked close I think so I think that's about like two boys who are gay or something I don't know I think all right and then animated feature I basically only want to talk about one movie here we've got Marcel the show with shoes on puss in boots the last wish the sea beast turning red and Guillermo del Toro's Pinocchio is the expert on the correct you like we like the school people now on Pinocchio the correct pronunciation and Guillermo del Toro's Pinocchio my one

of my friends was talking about Pinocchio was like yeah Pinocchio and then my other friend had heard me say Pinocchio was like actually the proper Italian pronunciation is Pinocchio and my other friend was like no it's not told you yeah Guillermo del Toro's Pinocchio is like one of the craziest movies I've ever seen I like I watched it on Christmas Day like and I narrated the whole thing as I was watching it in a Twitter space and it was like just for no reason but it's the only Pinocchio adaptation where there's a scene where Mussolini voiced by Tom Kenny executes Pinocchio by shooting him in the head back of the head because of course Guillermo del Toro has to have like Mussolini involved you know adaptation

but it's like the musical numbers are embarrassingly bad I really didn't think it was a very good movie but there's a lot of really funny parts and fun parts and my you know my friends who have kids said that their kids really loved it so I'm like you know who's maybe it is good I don't know well I think it's gonna win because it's Guillermo del Toro and yeah absolutely the Oscars Oscars love Guillermo you know he's such a such a pleasant man you know like I think he's a guy who I like him as a person more than his movies maybe not to say I don't like his movies but come on the shape of water yeah yeah probably the most like the one of the one of them one of the worst best picture winners I think of

all time like that movie was yeah that's a stinker go back to the fucking black lagoon get the shit out of here yeah Squidward the movie get out of here that's it Guillermo del Toro's Squidward someone just someone someone did a tweet making fun of Guillermo del Toro and unfortunately it's like colored basically every one of his movies now like because it just it was just Guillermo del Toro it was just him saying I love my monsters that's all I can think about whenever I think of his movies now I I love him he's like such a lovable nerd I love him in Death Stranding he's in like Hideo Kojima's game like playing I forgot what his character's name is it's something so stupid it's like Die Hard Man

yeah big fat man yeah the whale oh I saw on Twitter today that the whale in Argentina is called El Muchacho Grande oh my god there's no translation of whale in Spanish all right so like like I'm like we don't have time to get into all of them like the more minor categories you can fill out your own ballot there but like in terms of like the year in movies are there are there any other movies that are not in the Oscar conversation that like are usually the movies that are most remembered of a year or like most like in the cult because like you know of these of these nominees I would hazard a guess that like probably Top Gun, Avric and Avatar are going to be the two movies that people are still watching

and talking about in 10 or 20 years time but like it's usually in like the genre movies or the movies that Oscars tend to like overlook or like not consider nominating that tend to be the most memorable movies of a given era or like the ones that have the most lasting appeal so are there any other movies from this year which was I thought a good year for movies were there any other ones that you think worth mentioning in terms of a summation of like a year at the movies you know I'm worried that like the second we end the episode I'm going to think of something but I can't think of anything off the top of my head right now I know there's got to be the the new Albert Saraw movie past fiction was

really good yeah that's pretty much all I can think of. Well I will just throw in for consideration the fact that Phil Tippett's Mad God was not nominated for best animated feature is a fucking disgrace because it is like probably one of the most breathtaking works of stop motion animation ever created if not the best stop motion animated movie I've ever seen. Oh should it stop motion? Yeah it is a stunning stunning achievement that like he and you know he is like the God of stop motion animation and this movie took him 30 or 40 years to make it is like the

movie is about like it is a it is a Boschian trip to hell and in the movie I think is itself like kind of like contained within it like a metaphor for the creative process process itself of like you know going through hell to ring out like the to ring out your soul and like purge it and in the process create like one single like atom of dust that like you know shimmers in some way or that lasts or that means something I cannot recommend Mad God enough it's one of the most stunning animated movies I've ever seen we mentioned RRR getting snubbed in the best foreign film category for obvious reasons just because it's too cool it's too entertaining it's not boring it's an action movie and then you

know Hollywood the Oscars like they always overlook genre movies I'll also throw in David Cronenberg's Crimes of the Future as another one of my favorite movies this year you know you want to talk about like what could have been like a sort of surprise best supporting actress nominee Kristen Stewart for playing Tim Lynn one of the weirdest characters of the year one of the best named characters of the year just like this twitchy mousy like a surgery fan I thought I really loved her performance in that Lea Sadoe also awesome also Lea Sadoe naked wonderful top marks for that and then also one of my other favorite movies of the year completely forgotten about because it is a genre movie is Barbarian Zach

Craver Barbarian was awesome it was one of the most it was the highest praise I can give Barbarian is that it was the scariest movie I've seen all year and the funniest movie I've seen all year and if you want to talk about a movie that like does deal with me two themes I think Barbarian is just about the only successful movie to plumb that material for like a sort of contemporary and let's say Ocaron take on a controversial cultural hot topic oh yeah it's so good I loved Barbarian the cut to Justin Locke in the car yes one of the coolest things just like hard cuts yeah hard smash cuts in a movie I've ever seen yeah and there is no there is no visual gag that has been like as effective or funny

or perfect than the tape measure gag or the googling yeah googling Kent like underground space Kent like doesn't add to the total square footage of a property after he discovers a rape and torture dungeon in his Airbnb I love him him answering the phone and being like his friend calls and he's like what up faggot yeah I think Barbarian is just a movie that's that's too good for the Academy Awards it's too fun and like I said genuinely genuinely had me rolling laughing in it and then just like barely could look at the screen terrified yeah there are some scenes in Barbarian that are so frightening so fucking scary and it's just like I horror and comedy are such like our two genres that are always overlooked

the never given any consideration by the Academy but I think they're two very related genres and I think it's awesome that Zach Krieger directed this because I think he understands both in horror and comedy it's all about timing like to get a laugh out of someone and to get a Yelp or a scare out of someone is basically you're executing the same move and he does both in that movie so masterfully and like I said it it wears its influences like you know he you know he's dealing with you know Carpenter obviously but I mean he wears his influences lightly and I think turns it one of the best horror movies I've seen in a long time Barbarian also um Megan was pretty funny too there's there's a funny part in Megan

where she's writing on all fours after a kid it's like one of the funniest things I've ever seen but yeah that's a really crazy fun movie but I've yet to see me three good but uh it's it's on my list me three um hashtag me three but um yeah I know there's definitely like a horror movie or something that I'm forgetting but yeah can I shout out to one that I think will get re-evaluated from this year and one that I hope gets re-evaluated and both are more because of the person who directed them being a major auteur who I think will have more career and will get like the total package re-evaluation the Northman uh which I think is Robert Eggers used to make movies people will continue to go back

to that and be like you know that movie really fucking rocks and then the other is three thousand years of longing which you know I think George Miller has a how do you see that one uh it's really magnificent I think and beautiful and touching uh definitely made me cry in theaters unexpectedly and you know I think George Miller has a few more left in him he's going to do that Fury Road sequel or prequel rather and I think you know once he and finally retires people will look at his whole career and give that movie another shot uh but I think for me personally the unifying thing of both of them is they uh they take a look in the uh alien nature and mindsets of the past which is something that

I have been dealing with a lot this year so the but both of those really resonated with me and I I think that they will both be given another chance in in future years excellent yeah I had also kind of forgotten about the Northman but I very much enjoyed that movie as well uh Alexander Sarge maybe I was like Alexander Sarge guard I hate I fucking hated infinity pool so much violently violently hated that movie I really hate a possessor I really didn't really really like the movie oh man I I just look I love sure I love all the nihilistic uh sex and violence and degradation but where's the heart where's the heart just oh god man just like the same thing with possessor when he has nothing to say he just hits you

with strobing lights and when he has nothing to show you he just hits you with droning noise yeah like I like I don't mind movies that are unpleasant but like but for no point and with zero thought in it like in it at all Brandon Cronenberg direct a fucking romantic comedy okay like stop like this is embarrassing what you're doing man like just stop all right I what we've gone almost two hours now I think that that was a very good a very good like a summation of the year at the movies with with with Hessa and like also we should we should mention that this is like I said at the beginning episode zero of the upcoming Shapo miniseries movie mindset starring Hessa and myself which will be dropping when hell

on earth ends we're aiming for roughly the end of April but stay tuned there will be definitely more movie mindset coming we are having a going to be probably a 10 episode run of Hessa and I talking about the movies and the way that I can see for this is sort of like you know I'll be like you know initiating you the listener into the mysteries of movie mindset through a curated selection of like each episode will feature I think a double a double feature curated by Hessa and myself featuring either an actor or a director and like as a way of talking about about their work their career and like two movies of theirs or like you know either star or director that we think are interesting and make for a good

pairing with one another but you know like not much more than that like I said like I just I love talking about movies I love talking about movies with Hessa we'll we'll have some guests and we'll have a lot of fun talking about some really great movies yeah it's I'm looking forward to it it's gonna be so fun alright well from from from that marathon movie session on to the movie mindset miniseries I'm really looking forward to it I hope you guys are too but you know be on the lookout we'll be we'll be promoting that I'm working on having a sort of premier event here and maybe a movie screening here in New York if you're around for that but just stay posted I'm going to hold back now the list of some

of the names of the movies and like that we'll be expecting to talk about but you know like stay tuned we'll have like sort of a watch list for you to like if you can like sort of to prepare on your own if you want to watch along with us or like start watching before we start the show to get a head start on this you can do that but be on the lookout for we'll drop the official list of like the 10 episodes and the 20 movies that are going to be featured on the first run of this miniseries but the cool thing about movies is that they're never going to go away the good times will never end for the people who make movies and enjoy them and I could very much I could very easily imagine movie mindset coming back hopefully

in the fall for October to do maybe a mini run of horror movies for October and then from there like I said like there's a number of different there's I've got a lot of ideas for movie mindset there's a lot of movies yeah there's there's there are so many good movies to talk about hundreds hundreds yeah there are literally dozens of movies to talk about but so I will leave you I'll leave you with that pitch for the upcoming miniseries movie mindset I we I hope that we have wet your appetite and we'll we'll see you at the movies mm-hmm so till next time once again has a thank you for joining oh thank you for having me and I'm looking forward to more all right

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