Chapo Trap House - Movie Mindset #48 - Barry Lyndon

Episode Date: October 14, 2026

Greetings Minders, Will here, and to kick off this season, I wanted to do another one-movie episode with Felix like we did last year with CASINO, and I knew I wanted it to be another movie that has ca...st a long shadow over both my personal mind palace and the chapo extended universe. I wanted it to be another movie that I could easily count as both “my favorite movie of all time” as well as argue that it is “the best movie of all time” *and* I wanted it to be a movie Felix had never seen. And there is only one film that fits that bill, Stanley Kubrick’s masterpiece BARRY LYNDON. Travel back to the 18th century, take ten paces, cock your pistols, aim, fire and witness the rise and fall of an Irish asshole. Good or bad, handsome or ugly, rich or poor, we will all be equal soon. As with all our miniseries, this first episode of the season is free on all platforms. All subsequent eps will be available exclusively at patreon.com/chapotraphouse

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Starting point is 00:00:10 Let's all go to ourselves a tree Hello, Hello, movie fans to meet I'm here to handle and drinks are just standing in peace To let's all go to ourselves a street
Starting point is 00:00:32 That's all going ourselves The Shre Hello movie fans I'm here to announce The movies are back And Hessa and I are pleased To give you another season Of movie mindset
Starting point is 00:00:52 And we're kicking things off this season exactly like we kicked off last season. One movie, one guest. Period. That guest, Felix Pederman. And we're doing casino again. We just have to talk about it again. We just do a cover of that episode word for word.
Starting point is 00:01:10 No, by way of introducing the inaugural movie for this season of movie mindset, Hesse, have you brought my pistols? Now, Felix says, I'm the challenging party here. you may select the, you choose from which of the two pistols you'd like to use Hesel. I will second, but you can choose his pistol if you wish.
Starting point is 00:01:30 Catherine, my girlfriend, she's acting as Felix's second. Yeah, I already don't like these odds. I will take, I'll take the commemorative pistol that you bid on this on eBay. I remember, we were both at the auction.
Starting point is 00:01:48 It was a commemorative dueling pistol made as merchandise for Brian De Palma's snake eyes. Oh, very good. And it has all the characters from a movie on it. I really like that movie. And then, Will's Pistol is the Trump Desert Eagle then. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:02:03 That would be, if we still had Pistol, that's like what the Trump family would do. They would be, they would, like, give you just like a Flint-like pistol and they would take like a semi-automatic. Yeah, yeah. Like in 1911. Okay, concept for a movie.
Starting point is 00:02:16 It's called the time-traveling duelists. Yo. It's like, you go back in time. That's Highlander. You go back in time. times like the 18th century and you're just like slapping men with silk gloves and they're like, I demand satisfaction, sir. And then you show up with the Desert Eagle 50 cow. And they're like, no, I brought my own. We're good. Or so back 10? No, no. Honestly, I would rather shoot. We, when was,
Starting point is 00:02:38 we were in Vegas? In Vegas, yeah. During the 2020 primary tour where it was, we were on the road for like four or five months and we all went insane just because it's like too long to do a fucking door. We went to shoot and we went to that fucking insane. They have a bunch of these places in Vegas, places where it's like, oh, you can shoot an ICBM if you pay money. And we shot like a bear at 50 cal.
Starting point is 00:03:01 We shot all this shit. But I shot, I think we both shot a Desert Eagle. And I was like, what the fuck is the point of this thing? Like, you can't hit anything. It's so fucking impossible to and like I know pistols are hard to aim with, but I've shot like
Starting point is 00:03:16 Glock's in 1911s and like done okay, gotten reasonably good. I don't know how anyone has ever hit a fucking thing with it as an eagle that isn't like point blank. Like it might actually be better to use one of the pistols from this movie. I don't know. I mean like in the rules of dueling, it's 10 paces. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:03:33 10. I think I could fucking turn someone inside out at 10 pages. Yeah, yeah. 10 paces and think how short people were back then. Yeah. That's not, that's probably less than 10 v. Shooting the ground at the end and everyone in the room goes death. Yeah, you rock a jump.
Starting point is 00:03:50 I remember about the Desert Eagle is that even with the fucking, the ear protectors on, it is frighteningly loud. It hurts to pull the trigger on it. What a stupid gun. I mean, it's pretty awesome, but it is fucking dumb. Well, this is a long introduction to the movie,
Starting point is 00:04:08 our inaugural movie. Last year, we did Martin Scorsese's casino. A movie that I've long heralded as one of my favorites, one of the greatest masterpieces of all time. I'm moving on to kick off this season of movie mindset with another movie that I've long championed as
Starting point is 00:04:23 both probably my favorite movie ever made but also like I would say one of the greatest movies ever made a masterpiece and we were talking about from Stanley Kubrick from 1975 Barry Lyndon How much money you got a lot
Starting point is 00:04:38 How many problems you got a lot How many people and doubted A lot left you out of riot a lot How many prey did you flop a lot How many lawyers you got a lot How many times you got shot A lot. How many niggas you shot?
Starting point is 00:04:49 A lot. How many times did you ride? A lot. How many times did you cheat? A lot. How many times did you lie? A lot. How many times did she leave?
Starting point is 00:04:57 A lot. How many times do she leave? In character as characters from Barry Lyndon. I'm Lord Bullington. I'll be playing Lord Bullington. I call the British guy from the beginning. Captain Quinn? Yes.
Starting point is 00:05:13 Captain Quinn. Madam I have born a bonus. long as I could bear the instrument of this Irish upstart you've taken into your bed. I love, I love that the Barry's like family, his cousins are just as like shifty. Like liars as him and they're just like going to Captain Quinn like, listen, our cousin Barry, he's real keen on your wife there. But we have, we've got a plan. He's like, oh my God, Irish people are crazy. What the fuck?
Starting point is 00:05:44 I don't get, no, Barry fine. I don't want to get too far ahead of the arts. ourselves but like isn't that the worst dear john letter of alter that's not even a dear john letter like oh yeah we all conspired like your family conspired to like get you out of there because you're so annoying and you'll you'll never make 1500 yeah you'll never make that much ever money amounts in this are so confusing when it's like he's 1500 a year louis door yeah the louis door the frederick door which i don't know if it's worth less or something he gets two for like bravery in war.
Starting point is 00:06:20 He gets like fucking two pieces of gold. I want to begin by saying, so yeah, we did Martin Sorsese's Casino, and I'd like to begin our discussion of Barry Lyndon with this quote from Martin Scorsese about Barry Lyndon, which I think gets to the heart of like, this sort of like, eerie and hard to quantify, like power, pacing, and style of this movie,
Starting point is 00:06:40 which are so unique. And he says here, I'm not sure if I can say that if I have a favorite Kubrick picture, but somehow I keep coming back to Barry. Linden. I think that's because it's such a profoundly emotional experience. The emotion is conveyed to the movement of the camera, the slowness of the pace, the way the characters move in relation to their surroundings. People didn't get it when it came out. Many still don't. Basically, in one exquisitely beautiful image after another, you're watching the progress of a man as he moves
Starting point is 00:07:05 from the purest innocence to the coldest sophistication, ending in absolute bitterness. And it's all a matter of simple elemental survival. It's a terrifying film because all of the candlelit beauty is nothing but a veil over the worst cruelty. Yes, the epilogue, the amazing epilogue, where it's like, and Barry Lyndon went on to found the United States of America and changed his name to George Washington. And what I think that captures here is that like, this, like, and this is sort of like the hardest Kubrick movie. Like, you know, it's the most sort of, it seems the most distant and the coldest because I
Starting point is 00:07:46 think it like both with like every frame you know to talk about like every shot of painting every shot of this movie looks like the paintings that is the william hogarth paintings it looks like an oil painting yeah the way it's lit like using only like uh like uh using candle light only for the way they talk like and move even so i know you i know people don't talk or move in oil paintings but if they did it would look like very linden it would look like very linden something that really struck me with this was how many scenes uh How many scenes they just let you sit in silence and don't, this really lends itself to the idea that every, every frame is a painting, how few cuts there are. Like I was thinking the first scene where Barry meets the Marquise.
Starting point is 00:08:31 Yeah. And how. The Chevalier. Yeah. The Chevalier, yeah. How, like, it's not, you wouldn't call it like a slow or boring scene. And in fact, there is just like every other scene in this movie pretty much. there's narration telling you exactly what is about to happen before it happens, which I think is
Starting point is 00:08:49 like an amazing stylistic choice. By the way, the narration to me is like the key to this movie. It's this very dry and very sardonic and very like ironic narration that's like a, from a God's point of view over like these people who, where they lived and fought, Carl, and died. They're all equal now. But that is like in the novel that this is based on, it's a first person narration by Barry. And he's like a stereotypical unreliable first person narrator.
Starting point is 00:09:15 The narration in the film that gives you the audience, like the perspective of God on this guy's life. And like you said, like does away with like the traditional notion of suspense by basically telling you exactly what's going to happen. And like that makes it all the more unbearable because you know what's coming. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, this is, I mean, any, I think like a three year old could tell you like, oh, this
Starting point is 00:09:42 movie's about fate. but on a on a deeper level I can't think of any movie like that like there are movies where they play with suspense they don't do it in a typical way that a movie does it but not in like every major plot point is told
Starting point is 00:09:59 to you by this like I guess like if God was kind of a bitchy queen that's what the narrator is if God was Gideon Othnear Yeah Yeah Yeah
Starting point is 00:10:11 But like just going back to that That first scene where he meets the Marquis And you know what's going to happen And even if the narration wasn't there You do also kind of know what's going to happen Because of what his shithead Barry is Yeah every single person he enters a room with Who's older than him
Starting point is 00:10:28 He's like, that's my dad Yeah yeah That's my ride or die I'll do anything for him He does like he does like I would say 3,000 things in this movie on screen that could have gotten him killed
Starting point is 00:10:42 any given moment, like, pretty easily. I mean, in classic, in, like, classic Kubrick fashion, it's a movie where a guy does the exact, like, wrong, worst thing in every single situation he's in until the very end and then he's punished for it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:10:59 I, it's, you were joking about the idea that, like, yeah, Barry changes his name and he becomes George, what he founds America. Yeah. But it is, even though this movie is about, you know, our favorite type of people.
Starting point is 00:11:13 The Protestant, Protestant Irish, disabled people. It is, I mean, I think it's appropriate that this is, after last season's premiere of casino,
Starting point is 00:11:27 the movie about modern America. This is a movie, this is sort of a movie about the foundations of America. Yeah. These are the, America was founded by, you know,
Starting point is 00:11:36 disgruntled former roundheads and people who were pissed off that, you know, they did into field in England and it didn't matter. Yeah, yeah. But the soul of America
Starting point is 00:11:47 is these types of people. Protestant, Scots, Irish, like lower nobility who just crapped out in their country. People who are always kind of arriving. They're always in the process of rising and falling. Big hearts then. He pots to there.
Starting point is 00:12:02 Tryers then. I don't know why that just popped into my head. Who was I was talking about that with someone the other day, about how much I love that guy, Chris Jones, my second empire. But it is like this is a Calvinist movie appropriately so.
Starting point is 00:12:17 Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Barry does not know that he is destined to have one leg in a dead son. Because of the narration, like you, the audience do know. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:28 And like, there are two sort of parts of the movie and each part tells you what's going to happen in, like part one. By what means Redmond Barry acquired the style and title of Barry Lyndon.
Starting point is 00:12:39 Yeah. And I want to talk about the very first shot of this movie. And, like, Felix, to get to your point about how this is sort of a Calvinist movie or a movie about fate, it begins, and it's a duel being set up. And you see two figures, but they are obscured by the distance. And it looks like they are figures in an oil painting. And I love, like, just to set the tone for the movie, the narration begins. Barry's father had been bred, like many other young sons of a genteel family,
Starting point is 00:13:03 to the profession of the law. And then you hear in the background, like, cock your pistols! and there is no doubt he would have made an eminent figure in his profession had he not been killed in a duel which arose over the purchase
Starting point is 00:13:16 of some horses I love and this is the old dual meta when you both shot at the same time the meta will change by the time Barry gets into a duel yeah I
Starting point is 00:13:24 not to get too far off topic I would love who I'm sure there is like some actual history of dueling I could read but the guy who was like actually I think we should like take turns
Starting point is 00:13:36 that's the greatest guy in history. That is the best guy who's ever lived. Tales never fails. That would, yeah, some like, again,
Starting point is 00:13:48 probably like lower, lower nobility Irish Protestant. Some like shitty member of the Irish Protestant gentry who was addicted to like, they didn't even have a name for opium at the time. But he just,
Starting point is 00:14:01 that's what he was addicted to. And he was like, my reflexes are never going to be good enough for this. And I am constantly like stealing people's horses. Okay, I'm going to come up with something. My name is Applegate Adams, and we should go in alphabetical order when we do duels. And then you meet another partner, like the guy you just challenged. They're like, what's your name, sir? Aaron Aronson. But the point is like, okay, we see Barry's father killed in a duel before Barry is even on
Starting point is 00:14:36 screen. Like, probably like before he's even born. And this gets to like, the idea that duels, that dueling will be this like, especially a prominent thing in the life of Barry Lyndon, the main character of this movie, is like, it's all set up for him before he's even born. And I think this gets to like the essential black comedy at the heart of this movie and many of Kubrick's other movies, which I think like almost all of them to be properly understood, have to kind of be understood as comedies. Yeah. Or tragic comedies in a way. Yeah, absolutely. And with this one, I think of like what Scorsesey talked about. These like, most of the shots in this movie,
Starting point is 00:15:09 like, they begin and it's like in the middle of an action of people like doing something sitting in these like beautifully and pointed interiors or somewhere outside. And it's in like about a medium range. And then the camera does this reverse zoom out very slowly as like the frame fills. And the individuality of the person that the camera is focused on immediately becomes obscured as they become part of this larger canvas.
Starting point is 00:15:31 Yes. And they become like the scenes of all the soldiers marching in unison to like the fife and drums. And it's this constant process of like the illusion that we all suffer under of our individuality. Yeah. And there's, in the beginnings too, there are like, sorry to interrupt, but like there are parts where people wearing the exact same outfits and clothes as the main characters are just standing in the background facing away.
Starting point is 00:15:54 And it's like, oh my God, everyone's like this. Everyone's very limited. And like you add to that, like, Felix, the point you made about how comfortable this movie is having long takes and like of people kind of sitting in movement like very static. But like really where this movie lives is in the narration and in its use of music. And if you think of like 2001 and a clockwork orange, like Kubrick does a very similar thing with like the heavy classical music is that he's really allowing you to like feel the emotion of the characters through the music, not through the performance that like, I don't
Starting point is 00:16:29 know, like it like sort of individualizes too much a character like Redmond Barry, aka. Barry Lyndon. Yeah. And I think it's like in the scenes of people like dancing. I remember like in the old interview I did with Adam Curtis, I asked about how dancing was used as a motif in his movies. And like I see sort of a similar pattern in this is that like we feel emotion through music. We feel emotion through dance.
Starting point is 00:16:52 But like the notes are already written. Yeah. Like the song is going to end the same way every time. But it's just like this illusion that we have that we're being borne forth by our emotions, our individuality, but the pattern is already. already set. And then the duel we've seen in the very first shot of this movie, the pattern for Barry's life is already set before he's even done. Gentlemen, cock your pistols. Gentlemen? Barry's father had been bred, like many other young sons
Starting point is 00:17:34 of a genteel family, to the profession of the law. And there is no doubt he would have made an eminent figure in his profession. Had he not been killed in a duel, which arose over the purchase of synchosis. It puts one in mind of the roller coaster scene from Clifford. Aren't we all Clifford in the end? Just on the tracks? No, but I think that is a great framing of it. And I mean, for the dancing that Adam Curtis uses in a lot of his movies,
Starting point is 00:18:09 it is like about the time when they desegregated dancing enough for it to move on from this. when Chubby Checker, Chubby Chacker, Chubby Chalkers is still alive, by the way, but when he sort of hit the scene, but before that, before the dancing you see in most Curtis movies, which is people doing the Wittusi and the twist, and it's sort of improvised.
Starting point is 00:18:31 The dancing you see in this movie, it's not just of the notes of the music are you, you already, they're pre-dezoned. They didn't invent a jazz yet. Yeah. But the steps themselves, just like the steps of these people's lives,
Starting point is 00:18:47 they are already, these are all pre-choreograph. And every character they, every character that we at least spend any amount of time with in Barry's life, they will follow the steps laid out for them, you know, to varying degrees with success. Barry is sort of an outlier because he just, he misses his predestined steps,
Starting point is 00:19:11 but in the exact same way every time. Yeah. He fucks it up in the exact, in the exact way where, half the time it's going to half the time it's going to work out for him and then the other half it will produce the worst outcome imaginable
Starting point is 00:19:26 like the saddest, shittiest thing that he could have ever met something he probably never even thought up yeah and like you know this is a story about kind of a nobody who becomes a somebody who goes back to being a nobody yeah like casino
Starting point is 00:19:39 yeah yeah yeah and it's like you know it's a story about like the many rises and falls of this one kind of like rake and like I think the thing with Barry as a character and Ryan O'Neill's performance here is that like Barry is not an evil guy
Starting point is 00:19:55 he's not a good guy but he's not evil like he's kind of selfish and vain and stupid in the way pretty much everyone is. Yeah and I think like Ryan O'Neill often gets kind of like done and like I think a lot of the reason a lot of people didn't I don't know get this movie when I first came out is because like
Starting point is 00:20:10 Ryan O'Neill's performance seems like I don't know strangely bad or like ill-fitted to it but like it's actually works perfectly. I can't imagine anyone else in this role. Like we were talking about this last night before the episode. Like this is, Ryan O'Neill,
Starting point is 00:20:27 I guess, okay, yeah, technically there might be guys around this time. Like, I'm sure John Cazel would have been great in this. Yeah. But if you put John Cazel in this time frame and made him not Italian,
Starting point is 00:20:38 he's a different guy than, yeah. If you put Ryan O'Neill in this exact time, this is probably Ryan O'Neill's ancestors. Yeah, yeah. This is Ryan O'Neill in the 20th century, basically. There has never been a character who matches his actor better. For people who don't know a lot about Ryan O'Neill, all of us were born in 1945.
Starting point is 00:21:00 We, you know, we had Ryan O'Neill posters growing up. But Ryan O'Neill, that I remember one of my favorite things I've ever, one of my favorite, this is a bad guy articles I've ever read is about Ryan O'Neill. and Ryan O'Neill tells the reporter this story that he's at Farah Fawc's funeral and he sees a girl from behind and he's like, hey, what's up? You know a lot of dead chicks?
Starting point is 00:21:27 You come here often? Yeah. You kill her? Yeah, yeah. He's heading on her. And then she turns around and it's fucking Tatum O'Neill. It's his daughter. And he's like, oh, whoops.
Starting point is 00:21:36 His daughter that he brutally abused. Yeah. And, like, really just, like, fucked her life up horribly. And then he, and he, telling the reporter this like isn't that funny? Yeah he and at this point he was the biggest actor
Starting point is 00:21:51 in the world because love story had just come out and so like I saw like the studio gave Kubrick a list of actors and was like you will make this movie but you have to pick one of these actors because they're the top ten best actors biggest actors in the world and the only two
Starting point is 00:22:07 people that were the right age to play this character were Robert Redford and Ryan O'Neill and he said it said that he offered it to Robert Redford first and he turned it down which I'm like could you imagine that movie? Thank God. That would not have worked. No.
Starting point is 00:22:22 Yeah. He needs you need a shithead. Yeah. Yeah. This movie is about like an Irish shithead. Yeah. That's essentially what the movie is about. Now so the course of Barry's life is like he's from a sort of lower Irish
Starting point is 00:22:37 gentry family. Like educated his family owns something but they're clearly like always looking for a come-up. up just like Barry. Yeah. This is another funny thing about this movie is that it seems like
Starting point is 00:22:49 everyone lives the exact same way in this like in this like class kind of which I guess can't really be true because you know but when he's like destitute they're like
Starting point is 00:23:01 you're so poor and he's just like doing the same shit that he's always been doing he's like but it's very funny his family they're like
Starting point is 00:23:10 his family is very poor but like they got a nice house. They got a nice fucking lawn, you know? That is, I mean, you could not make this movie, or it wouldn't be as interesting if you made it about, like, an actual, like, commoner. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Because, I mean, this is why, you know, this, on our, on Chappo, we are the most pro-George R. Martin podcast in existence.
Starting point is 00:23:37 And, you know, one of the reasons that we identify George is the greatest. George is a true materialist. the Targaryans, the ruling family, they were minor nobility in Valeria, which is his like Egypt, Rome, shit. Who are the biggest movers and chakers in all of history? They're all people who started it as minor nobility. Caesar, Napoleon.
Starting point is 00:23:58 They're all the guys that Diggler names in the documentary. But that's like the 0.002% of minor nobility. There are people who are in Barry's shitty family's circumstances of like, okay, We own these lands and we make 700 guidos or whatever. Fuck their currency is here. But we need to like, we need to marry off a daughter or fucking something. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:23 The families like train there. These like people like you're getting us out. You're getting us up there. Okay. We're going to be the king basically. And it's the people that founded America. Yeah. No, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:24:35 Yeah. It is they're the opposite of the Venet Jesuit. Yeah. Their plans are measured in milliseconds. they're just like you made you made you made less money from selling like corn this year
Starting point is 00:24:47 than you spent on like wigs for your servants and they're like oh fuck fuck fuck can we sell our daughter and you bring up Napoleon and actually like this movie came about
Starting point is 00:24:59 because Kubrick was trying to do a movie about Napoleon I think after 2001 one of the saddest movies to never get made but you know what like what he ended up making with this movie is a movie
Starting point is 00:25:09 that like Barry is a figure whose life sort of mirrors out of Napoleon. He's an outsider who comes from an island, goes to a war on the continent, fucks shit up, gets big, then fucks it all up and goes back to the island. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Goes to a second exile at a different island.
Starting point is 00:25:28 But, like, the course of Barry's life begins to take shape with a common story. A common story that I think we can all relate to. Your cousin is the hottest woman you know because there are like six women in the way. part of Ireland that you live in. And you fall in love with her and she takes your sherry. Can you imagine?
Starting point is 00:25:47 Like this is, we make fun of people who like their only issues walkable cities. But like this made me go like, okay, yeah, they kind of have a point. Because this is like, is there at least a less walkable city or country than Ireland in the 18th century?
Starting point is 00:26:04 The closest thing is like 18 hours away. If you get the fastest force. you're probably getting robbed on the way there. Well, we'll get to that. But like, and for the most part, you're probably just walking. Yeah. And like, you, like, you're best, if you're a horny young man, your best hope is that, like, your, your cousins are once removed and they're girls.
Starting point is 00:26:31 Yeah. It really sucks. It's really bad times. To be, to be fair to Barry, his cousin is hot. She is fine. She is fine. She's pretty fucking hot. And, like, I love her seduction technique with her, you know, like, an unworldly cousin, which is she's like, turn around, Barry.
Starting point is 00:26:47 And she, like, takes, like, her little, like, neck ribbon off and, like, sticks it in her cleavage. And she's like, I've taken the ribbon from around my neck and hidden it somewhere on my person. And I will think very little of you if you don't find it. He's like, but Nora, I can't find it. She's like, it's in my tints, you find it. I cannot find the ribbon. She's like, look harder. you ask so he's like so he's like why are you she's like why are you trembling and he's like at the joy at the pleasure of finding the ribbon
Starting point is 00:27:18 it's like this guy is like 30 years old i know he's supposed to be like a kid but it's like no one has ever gotten it let like we all everyone have stories from their life where they're like oh i fucked up you know but those stories are those stories are not like it wasn't like oh her she was like find a ribbon in my tits. Yeah, yeah. And it wasn't at that point. Like this is like Barry might, he might as well be like mid penetration with her. Yeah. And be like, what am I supposed to do next?
Starting point is 00:27:51 Do you like me? Yeah. But, you know, like this is the innocence of youth. You know, like I said, your hot cousin takes your chair in the hottest woman in Ireland. And, you know, first cut is the deepest. He falls completely in love with this cousin. This becomes a problem for him and his family when his other male cousins essentially conspire to marry her off to a British captain in a British regiment who has, he's off 1,500 guineas a year. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:28:19 An income like that is a big come up for this family. Yeah, yeah, that's huge. And he's agreed to pay off the $4,000 in debt so that Barry's uncle owes. and I love when he first meets the captain and he sees like the British company of General Williamson's company or something like And they're like they're doing like a sort of like a like a march for the local, like the 10 local townspeople
Starting point is 00:28:48 Like oh this is great like I love when they shoot their guns in the air for no reason Just to end all the women scream I love the way Captain Quinn like like turns to look at the crowd is you want they have to like these very precise like the way people hold their bodies and this very kind of like the ritualization of behavior and movement that we see here and like I said I love like again one of these zoom out shots where you see the like the column of troops marching towards you like the fife and drum playing and it's like they're moving towards you as the camera is zooming out in reverse to reveal the people watching them but I keep coming back over and over again to like this kind of like the intentional obfuscation that's of individuals. Yeah. In the landscape
Starting point is 00:29:31 as like one body becomes just this undifferentated mass of like people moving in these kind of geometric constructions and patterns. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:40 Over and over again we see that in this movie. And basically, like things go wrong because like he has to go to a family dinner where it gets announced that your cousin
Starting point is 00:29:50 is getting engaged to the British Captain Quinn. And you're like, wait, did she find the ribbon? Did he find the ribbon before me? Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:57 I found the ribbon, though. I also love one just real quick about the like zooming out thing. I love that the line of like women and villagers and Irish like peasants that are like being presented this march, it looks like a row of enemy soldiers being about to be fired upon. And I love when after she dances with Captain Quinn and her and Barry are leaving. And he's like, did you really have to dance with him five times? And she's like, of course, like, he's a good man.
Starting point is 00:30:32 Like, I don't. She says, she says, Barry, to dance with your cousin looks like you can't have another partner. And she goes, and besides, you're a boy and Quinn is a man. Yeah, yeah. And like, you know, that, that stings him deeply. So. Yeah, she, he asked her to dance and she said no. And he danced with this guy five times, which is so funny.
Starting point is 00:30:50 And again, we get back into the kind of the rituals of behavior that govern this society, that really like are the sort of, I don't know, the locks and dams that channel the like gravitational flow of your life down river. Yeah. And one of those, as we saw in the very first scene, the thing that defines this movie, is the duel. That like, you know, in 18th century society, if you're a gentleman, like, you could not bear any slight to your honor.
Starting point is 00:31:13 And the only way to rectify that was by like, you know, facing off of the guy, two guys pointing guns at each other and both taking a shot at one another. It's very sexual. Yeah. Every duel in this, like, it's very like, it's extremely sexual, especially the, the final one, which we'll get to. and there's so much sexual stuff going on with his steps on in him I can't wait to dive into.
Starting point is 00:31:34 But like, okay, so he basically throws a glass in Quinn's face at Dimmer. And basically, like, and then Quinn being a captain in the British Army, and he's like, who the fuck is this, like, Irish dickhead? But he, like, he's in a position where he has to challenge him to a duel. And he clearly doesn't want to. And, like, that's what I love about the scene of the duel with him and Quinn. Is it, like, throughout, like, the history of dueling in, like, European societies, the vast vast majority of them were like a hold me back bro moment it was like a slap lawsuit
Starting point is 00:32:02 it was it was it was no it was so both parties could like save face yeah but like basically nobody actually wanted to look down a gun and fire it in another person like yeah yeah that and again great example of the kinds of pieces of shit and like refuse of the refuse that arrived in america Andrew jackson he he was like he was like a guy who used glitches and exploits so he could kill people in duels. Like he was like, fuck this. He streams the shit. He's using bots.
Starting point is 00:32:35 Andrew Jackson would wear like, he was a skinny guy. He would wear like giant coat. So you thought that you like, oh, I shot him in the fucking heart and his heart's like eight feet away. And then he would just fucking square up and shoot you in the stomach. Yeah. And you die in excruciating death. Yeah, he had wall hacks turned on.
Starting point is 00:32:53 Yeah. That was like all the people who used who, like all the people, the people we complain about now who use like movement exploits and call of duty, those are heritage Americans. Yeah. That, yeah, that like, all the people who are like, let's, let's get through this so we can both like save face and not like kill each other or lose a limb. Those are all the people that stayed in Europe.
Starting point is 00:33:15 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. I love, I also love that I love his family's reaction to this is like, oh, Barry, well, I guess you got to do what you got to do. They're like, you bury, your scamp, your scallywag. And I love, also, this is something that I picked out, like, rewatching it this morning,
Starting point is 00:33:36 is that Captain Quinn, he has this extremely, like, the ultimate affected, like, super prim proper British, British voice. But he slips every once in a while and will, like, say some, like, low-born, like, have, like, a low-born grammatical error of, like saying ain't or something, like in his speech. Like he's also just like a striver, like a pretender. Yeah. He's like, he says, I'm an Englishman and a man of property. Yeah. And I love, love.
Starting point is 00:34:10 The first dual scene with Barry is so good. It's like, we hear over and over again in this movie, like the, the main part of Handel's Saraband. And Saravan was a kind of a dance and it was this piece written for a harps accord. But it's this very. like steady building. And it's this like sort of procession to this like lethal
Starting point is 00:34:31 social custom and ritual. And I love it because like they set up Barry. They give them the pistol. You know, they choose the pistols. But then they make clear to Barry that like, look, the girl is going to marry Quinn. It doesn't have to be this way.
Starting point is 00:34:43 The family is all agreed. We're going to give you 20 guineas. Send you to Dublin. You know, give you a horse. You can go to Dublin, have fun. But like your cousin's marrying this guy. And like if you just apologize
Starting point is 00:34:53 and take the money and fuck off to Dublin, Quinn is like, I will of course consider the matter honorably settled. Yeah. And then they're like, they're giving him a big out. But Barry being like,
Starting point is 00:35:04 you know, young, dumb, full of calm. He's like, I'd as soon to go to hell than Dublin. He's like,
Starting point is 00:35:09 fuck you, let's die today. Yeah. Let's die today. Let's throw our lives away right now. I'll have 10 guineas on me. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:35:17 And I love when Barry is just like, fuck that. Let's die right now. The look on Quinn's face is so funny. Yeah. Just he just drop. Because he is so shook. He is not ready to die for this.
Starting point is 00:35:33 This is going to sound like I'm making fun of the guy I plays Quinn and I'm not. There is just perfect casting from the lowest, like, stable boy in this movie to the top build caps. It's just perfect casting all fucking around. Quinn, he has like, he has a style of balding that like, either because of like hormones and food or something,
Starting point is 00:35:56 it just doesn't exist anymore. He has like a tuft of hair. He has an island of hair. That he is building his entire face around. He is such a, and the actor who is playing it is probably like 27. But he, no one,
Starting point is 00:36:13 no one has more looked apart of like, A, a striver, B, a guy who's named Quinn, who's like, what are you talking about? I'm English. And yeah, he really does not want to jump out. He really, you find out how badly he does not want to jump out. And like the two shots of them as they like aim their pistols, very like just stone face, dead, dead like still as a statue.
Starting point is 00:36:39 Yeah. And you got Quinn and he's like, it's like mouth is turned up to like a like a toad or something. And like you see his arm shaking. Yeah. Like no, God, no what. These are the guys that were fighting the 13 colonies. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:51 It was a bunch of queens. No wonder they lost. And he gets signed out. Or at least Barry thinks that's the case. Yeah. So like they like essentially, Barry is victorious in the duel. He puts down Quinn.
Starting point is 00:37:08 And then his family is just like, well, right, lot of the fucking good you did us. There goes his 1500 days. But they still like, here, take 20 and go to Ireland. Sorry, go to Dublin because like the law will be after you. Yeah. Which is funny because like I thought this was all just a matter. of honor. Like, I thought he won fair and square.
Starting point is 00:37:23 What would the law have to anything to say about this? Yeah, yeah. Like this guy, you know, he fucked my cousin, or he wants to fuck my cousin. I've been fucking her and I'm going to sneak. I'm going to keep doing it, okay? Yeah, it's like a formality, basically, of like, the cops are going to have to come here and say, are you here? And if we, if you are, then,
Starting point is 00:37:39 you know, then they'll have to do something, so you have to go. It's like, uh, kind of like, you get the idea that's how duels happen is like, the police have to come after as like a formality and just be like, all right, he's not still here. Is he? All right, then it's fine.
Starting point is 00:37:56 So his family, like, they send him off on his own. And, you know, as the narration said, no lad who has liberty for the first time and 20 guineas in his pocket can be sad for long. Yeah. So, like, it's heartbroken as he has never, nor is like, oh boy, like, he's got a horse. I want his way to Dublin.
Starting point is 00:38:12 The scene where he gets weight laid by the highwayman is so funny to me because, like, I think it's so interesting that the very first scene in the movie, you see Barry's father die. you never know who he is Barry never knows who he is and the whole first half of the movie is Barry's like repeated
Starting point is 00:38:28 and failed attempts to find another father figure Yeah And the scene with the two highwaymen I thought like you know Sorry what's his name Captain Feeney Is that it's Captain Feeney and his son
Starting point is 00:38:38 Yeah He's robbed by a father son Highwin win duo And I love the scene He comes up at some like You know roadside in And asks for Just can I have a cup of water please
Starting point is 00:38:48 And like you know Pays them And it's like a fine looking young lad and it's the father and son they're just like they're like care to join us for a drink and he's like no i simply couldn't i have to be on my way and then they just meet up with him like a half a mile down the road pulled guns on him and just leave him with nothing but his fucking shoes yeah and i love i love the absolute courtesy with which captain feeney addresses his as he refers to his clients yes i love him saying clients it's so like truly it's like uh this is his job now it's just like
Starting point is 00:39:17 he used to be a captain in some capacity, but now it's just like, no, this is how you make money. This is how you get cash. This is how you make bank, you know? You just like look at people with your owl eyes. And like he looks so letterous. He looks like a painting called like the lecherous man or something. Yeah. Well, I mean, Captain was like, captain was like calling yourself like, oh, gee back then.
Starting point is 00:39:42 Like you couldn't like you didn't go too far with, like if you were like a 15 year old. You were like, I'm a captain. and people would be like, okay, fuck off. But like, if you're afraid, if you had enough friends and they called you captain, you're a captain. Yeah, yeah. But, uh,
Starting point is 00:39:54 I, I love it. This, this scene is great, especially on top of what we've already seen because, I mean, I again, don't want to get too far ahead of ourselves,
Starting point is 00:40:04 but like, you know, regardless of what happened in the duel, it was going to be, we need to get buried the fuck out of here. Yeah, yeah. We can get this fucking dumb ass to,
Starting point is 00:40:15 um, you know, settle our stupid dead dads 4,000 guinea dad and like give us 1500 a year. And they humiliate Captain Quinn. They like completely and he's like, all right, I don't care. Captain Quinn is like,
Starting point is 00:40:30 yeah, he is like Leahy from but it's like everyone, yeah, it doesn't matter what happens. And then Barry, who uncharacteristically, like, probably because he like busted a nut for the first time before he set out into the world.
Starting point is 00:40:46 Like he showed, some street smart by not like okay I've never fucking seen these guys in my life I should like I wouldn't give someone a meal this is there's something fucking fishy here it doesn't matter he gets fucking stuck up anyway probably worse
Starting point is 00:41:01 bro they're probably they probably take more from him because they're like you made us go down the road you fucking asshole and like in the scene where Captain Feeney talks to him like when they when they first meet each other at the end and he's just like care to join us that there's these very like
Starting point is 00:41:16 uncanny moments in Kubrick's films where like this sort of like you sort of get a glimpse behind like the mask of courtesy. Yeah. And it's always something like deeply like alienating and inhuman kind of like it almost doesn't seem real. Yeah. It's one of the like closest
Starting point is 00:41:32 up shots of anyone's face in the entire movie is on Feeney being like care to have a meal and it's like oh something's up. Like the camera's too close to this guy's face. I saw this really weird thing. it was, I mean, you know, obviously like body language analysis is like fucking cuckoo, you know, there was way more to astrology and than body language analysis. But I watched this thing on body language analysis once and it was kind of interesting.
Starting point is 00:41:59 It was about they were doing Cato Cailin's testimony at the OJ trial. And they did, they did like the slowest motion you could do in like 1998. And they showed these like micro moments that you would miss if you watched it in full speed of like, Cato Caelin, like, bearing his teeth at the people
Starting point is 00:42:20 questioning him, which was so weird. There were so many moments like that in the Kubrick movie where you see the animal inside the human coming out. Yeah. You see how,
Starting point is 00:42:31 like, how little removal there is from like the adivistic naked animals underneath us all. Yeah, it's like he smiles, but it's like a chimp smiling. It's like,
Starting point is 00:42:40 yeah, yeah. Like, he is like bearing his teeth to bear. like, you know, and keep this in mind, like, as the film progresses, like, so much of what we regard as our personality or our individuality is just the mask that we affect to fit into, like, the societal roles, these patterns that are entirely predetermined for us. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:01 And that, like, the mask of courtesy is always something that belies deep cruelty, as Scorsesey said. Yeah. At the beginning. And I, but I still love the courtesy of Captain Dufini and his son. And I love the, like, Barry being victimized by a father and a son. Because if Barry's father had lived, like, that would have been him. That would have been him and his dad, like, robbing people or swindling them. But, like, instead, he doesn't have a father, so he is sort of naked in the world, and as a result of it, remains sort of unknowable to himself and ultimately unknowable to the viewer as well.
Starting point is 00:43:33 Yeah, he's in, like, a permanent state of adolescence throughout the movie, because he's, like, not given, he doesn't, he never really has a figure to model himself after until, I guess the closest is probably the, The chivalier, as we'll get to. That's a great way to put it. And I always, I, I, I think one of the most interesting patterns people follow in adolescence is they latch on to the closest thing they have to a full identity, whether it is like their own ethnicity, their religion, like the fucking football team, their family roots, like whatever. They just, that is something like a 13 year old does. Yeah. Oh, my family's Albanians, so we love dinner. you know that type of thing
Starting point is 00:44:16 no one has dinner like are people and that's like you know Barry is doing that way he's way too old to be doing that but you can't blame him because he just he is like who are his role model yeah like his stupid ass uncle the Prussian military the Prussian military his stupid ass uncle
Starting point is 00:44:38 who's like Barry we've got to we have like one member of this family with a good pussy and we have to sell her. Those are his role model. So he's his entire life, he is like a 13 year old boy looking for like, like a, you know how like a dog likes to find a spicy set to roll around?
Starting point is 00:44:57 That's what he's trying to do all over the, all over continental Europe. And after his disaster of like, and Captain Feeney, like he, Barry bears his soul to him and he's like, I'm but a few, you know, hours in front of the law myself, you know.
Starting point is 00:45:11 I'm like, I'm just like you. I just shot a British officer and like, now I'm on my way to Dublin and I love Captain Finney. He says, he says like, in my profession,
Starting point is 00:45:20 we hear many such stories. Yours is undoubtedly the most interesting I've heard in weeks. And as a result, I'll let you keep your boots. Oh my God. They take his horse, his fucking bankroll,
Starting point is 00:45:31 his father's pistols that he died with. And they just got, like, he steps over the log that they've like used to like waylay his progress. And then they're like,
Starting point is 00:45:40 you can put your arms now, now, Barry. He just walked away, like dejected. And then as many a young man in various circumstances find himself, the very good opportunity now available to him is service in His Majesty's army. Yeah. His Majesty's Royal Military.
Starting point is 00:45:59 For one and a half gold pieces, basically. It's like, fuck. If we, you know what, if there was like no DNA testing or anything like that, if you, after you killed a guy, you could just like re-aracted. the letters in your name and be like, oh, I'm a different guy. We would have 40 million enlisted soldiers.
Starting point is 00:46:19 America would be the bit, like we, the greatest military ever assembled just as far as, like horrible in practice, because it would just be a bunch of guys who killed each other over like, the things that no one even wants, like CD towers,
Starting point is 00:46:32 like motorized hyracks, but we'd have like 50 million of them. We might even win against Iran because we'd have like 50 million of these idiots to throw at them. Yeah. And they'd just be like, we're out of bullets.
Starting point is 00:46:46 We killed so many Barry Linden's. But like this is, yeah, no, this is whenever. This is why he begins his illustrious military career. Yeah,
Starting point is 00:46:54 yeah. No, but I mean, this is our military now, the only reason, we actually are exceeding recruiting goals, which is like a huge
Starting point is 00:47:02 fucking recession indicator. But like, it would be even bigger if it, like, if we didn't have this pesky problem of needing to like arrest arrest people for murder
Starting point is 00:47:12 Yeah, yeah. So Barry, he joins, he becomes a red coat. And, you know, he's trained and he becomes like a good, but like, as soon as he's in the army, he, like, gets in a fight immediately. And there's another duel. I love this. I love the fight they get into two, two pieces. He's fighting with a guy who just looks like super saying Ryan O'Neill. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:47:33 It's sort of hard to keep track up. And, like, I don't watch this scene a few times because it's so, this, Kubrick, who's such an uncompromising filmmaker. I don't even care if movies are woke. Like, I don't care. If you make this movie again and Barry is like, ovation with dreadlocks, I don't care. But don't change, like,
Starting point is 00:47:54 don't make it, keep it as inscrutable to modern audiences as possible. In fact, I, like, I think this might kill, like an average person now to try to watch this movie. I have to figure out what they were arguing about.
Starting point is 00:48:08 Like, I have to watch it again because it does say, correct me if I'm wrong, Barry is basically making fun of him because, well, the guy is shitting on Barry. The guy says on Barry because Barry asks for a beaker that's not filled with grease to drink out of him. You believe this fucking asshole. Yeah. I mean, keep in mind, around this, only a hundred years from this period, the first doctor ever, the German doctor, a surgeon, he was like, hey, I think we should wash our hands before we do surgery.
Starting point is 00:48:35 Yeah. And he was made fun of so bad he died in a mental hospital. So this is like you, Barry is viciously mocked for asking for a clean beer. But I was talking about the thing that Barry makes fun of him for. He makes one of the guy's wife for showing up and him hiding from her. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. His wife is a washerwoman. And he's like, he's like, why are you hiding?
Starting point is 00:48:57 We're afraid she's going to box your ears. Yeah. And then like, he picks up like a stool to brain him with. Like Barry picks up a club. And then the officer interjects and he's just like, nope, man, like we're forming a square. were settling this with fisticuffs. And they're like, the regiment like assembles. And once again, like, they have to like sort themselves into these like, so their bodies
Starting point is 00:49:15 make literally a square for these two guys to fight it. And it's like, you know, bare chested fisticuffs. Yeah. Like, this is funny because like the guy Barry like squares off against is probably like 100 pounds heavier than him and a foot taller. He literally does look like, yeah. Like if you, if you had a rot like to a twin Ryan O'Neils and you're like, okay, I'm going to give the one HGH from the moment.
Starting point is 00:49:38 moment he's born. Yeah, it's Ryan O'Neill versus Ryan O'O-O-O-O-Neill. But Barry kicks his ass. And I don't know if you noticed this, but this is like the scene where they're fighting in the square and they're doing fisticuffs
Starting point is 00:49:53 is one of the one of like two or three scenes in this movie where the camera is handheld. Yeah. We're like, like the very static, like stationary camera of zooming in and out breaks down and it is handheld as they fight in this scene. I mean, part of that is, practical because it is very hard to do a step.
Starting point is 00:50:11 Like, it's very hard to make a punch look convincing in a static shot unless you have a guy who's really willing to get hit or like a guy who really knows how to fall real estate. It's hard to make it look good. Fighting is just one of those things where it's kind of like filming football in a movie. It's hard. You can't really make it look too much like the real thing. Yeah. We'll be discussing Oliver Stone's any given Sunday later in the year. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Starting point is 00:50:37 But just as the feeling of a fight, it is exactly like a dream. Like capturing a dream in a movie or a show. You're never going to get exactly what that's like because so much of it is sensual. And like the weirdness of a dream is, you know, are you or aren't you hearing things, etc. There are too many things that are impossible to capture in a medium like film or TV. But you can capture the feeling state for the viewer through the eyes of the protagonist. this is the exact same thing.
Starting point is 00:51:08 You know, is this the greatest fucking choreographed fights scene I've ever seen? No, but it does feel as desperate and as shitty as a real fight does. Obviously, there are practical concerns for why they use handheld cams, but it also does capture the feeling of like,
Starting point is 00:51:26 you know, anyone who's ever been in a fight before who, like, isn't trained, most people have about 30 seconds of gas in that. Most of what you feel when you're fighting someone is, exhaustion. And this is like a very good visual portrayal of just the
Starting point is 00:51:42 sloppiness and fatigue of a real fight and desperation. But like it's all it's all housed in the square of bodies and like the duels. This once again like the sort of the past is a different country and like how alien their behavior is and like all these rituals for like the kind of containing and disciplining
Starting point is 00:52:01 of violence. Yeah. To like to make like savage acts civilized in a way. to like settle disputes through violence. Yeah. But do it in a civilized manner. Yeah. It's like, and it's really like, er Kubrick, honestly, because people think of, like, when they think Kubrick, they'll probably think more of like, you know, the painterly beautiful shots where everyone's weirdly still and the camera's slowly zooming out and stuff. But Kubrick, like, his first ever movie was a boxing, like.
Starting point is 00:52:32 Yeah, Killer's Kiss. Yeah, no, not even before that even. Fear and desire. Was it? Fear and desire? It's like a short film called like the boxing, the night of the fight or something. And his first job was as a boxing photographer for Look Magazine when he was like a teenager. And so that is literally like how he cut his teeth in the filming world was like filming boxing and photographing boxing. And it's like he's like going back.
Starting point is 00:53:00 He's like, this is what the boxing is like. you know, this is why there's, you know, a painting of boxing. There are no, like, fancy paintings of boxing, really, from that period, because it's like, this is just like, the, it doesn't belong in a picture frame. It belongs in a frame of men who are forming a big rectangle, you know? Yeah. You showed me some piece, some of these photos that, like, you know, like a 17-year-old Kubrick hook of professional boxing matches. And they are, like, obviously like some of the best fight photography I have ever
Starting point is 00:53:35 17 years old he is you know you can see like his eyes how to like frame images and light and shadow like yeah he was a he was a fucking god these are some of the best but like boxing photographs I've ever seen and he was taking them with like
Starting point is 00:53:50 you know one of those cameras where you had to put a like piece of cloth over your head and like a fucking light bulb broke but um I always what I think of when I was thinking of Kubrick is just like
Starting point is 00:54:04 the way that he portrays violence, which is just always like, again, it's less about the performances of the actors themselves, and he does get great stuff out of actors who can be inconsistent in other stuff. But just, I always think, like,
Starting point is 00:54:21 the way that he like smears blood on like pale face but wild-eyed men, just the repulsive, like how gross it feels win or lose, the actual sensation of violence. And whether you are on the giving or receiving end, that realization of, again, how few layers there are between you and this,
Starting point is 00:54:46 how few edifices there are protecting society from just being like, oh, we should just, this is how we should distribute resources. Yeah. It's just that everyone squares up in a big circle of guys. Yeah. And the irony is that if that was how resources were distributed, Barry would be like the king of Europe. Barry is like,
Starting point is 00:55:07 Barry in this movie, just something about his character. He is like John Witherspoon and Friday. Because he is like a, like if he, he said, we used to use these. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:55:18 Fists and shit, like melee range, Barry is awesome. Yeah. Barry folks people up. And like he is what he, Barry's an old head. Barry's like,
Starting point is 00:55:27 used to be, you could. you put two of these up and if you lost you still got respect. Guns, like guns have fucked up Barry's life since before it started. Yeah, yeah. And they are, they have caused
Starting point is 00:55:38 way more misery for him. Guns and horses are really really bad things in Barry's life. But again, like the, the, Barry, if Barry Lyndon was born in, you know, 1995,
Starting point is 00:55:53 he would be, like, he would, they'd be like, there's a new guy out of Ireland. He's better than Connor McGregor. he'd be Mickey Roar as kind of who Barry would be yeah yeah no Barry Barry would be in the UFC
Starting point is 00:56:05 he'd be like they'd be like Dana what do you think about Barry Lyndon posting like y'all why do they split a baby in half on Kwanza
Starting point is 00:56:14 Dana would be like I don't know anything about it that's fucking stupid I celebrate Kwanza all the time I know they don't do that but Barry's the champion at 145 pounds but you know
Starting point is 00:56:27 Barry Barry can fucking scrap. Yeah. But like, your point about Kubrick Felix, there's always this like, and his movies,
Starting point is 00:56:35 like, his movies are sometimes, uh, people who don't like his movies. Like, he can sometimes be critiqued for having a kind of like distaste for human beings. Because like, he does take this kind of like,
Starting point is 00:56:46 microscope, like the guy looking through a microscope at like bacteria. Like sometimes human beings feel like that in his movies. Yeah. And like, I think that like that coldness, I think like, is definitely there.
Starting point is 00:56:58 like a very kind of cynical view of humanity. But at the same time, like, I think like, especially in this movie, it opens, like, I think, I think with that detachment, it really opens up, like, for at least me watching this movie, you can pour so much of yourself into Barry.
Starting point is 00:57:12 Yeah. Yeah. And these figures, like, and like, that, that, that, that remove, that kind of emotional coldness, I think, like, it wouldn't work if, if Barry was played by, for instance,
Starting point is 00:57:24 Jack Nicholson. You know, like, Jack Nicholson's performance, Jack Nicholson's performance in the show Shining is like very much Jack Nicholson. Yeah. I'm like, that works, but like, most of Kubrick's protagonists are kind of blank. Yeah. Like, you know, like, Pierre Dula in 2001.
Starting point is 00:57:39 Like, that's the hero of that movie. Like, or Matthew Modin in a full metal jacket. Like, you know, he's kind of, you know, he's funny. But, like, they're not exactly like, they're all great performances, but they're not like memorable because of, like, the actor being themselves. Right. Yeah, yeah. The, um, I have a funny thing about, uh, Keer DeLay, which is, uh, when he was in, uh,
Starting point is 00:57:58 Bunny Lake is missing. Lawrence Olivier is also in that movie. And Lawrence Olivier fucking was like, who the fuck is this guy? And at one point, Lawrence Olivier was like drunk or something on set and like beckoned Kier Delay over and whispered in his ear,
Starting point is 00:58:13 Kier Delay, gone tomorrow. I think we see more of this. And like, particularly Kubrick's treatment of violence. Like I said, like violence is, like there's, it's always present in his movies. It's always very nasty,
Starting point is 00:58:27 but it's always like, kept it like a certain like remove it's always abstracted in some way and i think like we see that perfectly when we see like barry's first real taste of military life yeah where he is almost immediately shipped out to take part in these seven years of war and i love the narrator just not even trying to describe why the war happened yeah yeah he's like suffice to say uh england was allied with prussia against france sweden and russia yeah that's all you need to know and i'm like barry's first engagement. I love this scene because it's like we've seen the red coats marching. We've seen them marching in time. We've seen them marching to the fife and drums, the British grenadiers.
Starting point is 00:59:05 And they're doing the same thing, except they're just walking straight towards a line of like, I don't know, 100 French soldiers posted up with muskets getting ready to fire. And like, they're doing the drums and the music. And they're just walking in perfect motion and perfect time directly into like hails of gunfire. Yeah. Yeah. And it's crazy. Like, that style of warfare that was like of, you know, like, of the define this era is like, you would just march in perfect formation until you're about 10 yards away from like muskets and bayonets pointed at you. And then they fire more or less point blank range.
Starting point is 00:59:40 And in the first volley, as Barry's walk like marching towards the, you know, these French troops, you see like half of the guys next to him just drop. Yeah, yeah. It took it, like, we needed guns and like gunpowder, at least in the West to be around for like 400 years before we came up with ideas like, oh, what if we hid behind something? Like the American colonists who were like, oh, let's like get into trees. Let's get into trees and shit. They were like, they're like, that's cheating.
Starting point is 01:00:09 All the countries in the world should like kill these guys because they're cheating. They're not just walking directly into it. It's so funny to imagine like them hunting by doing the same thing. Marching loudly towards a deer. If you play with the better music. Playing the drums. Yeah. the better music you play,
Starting point is 01:00:26 the bigger deer it attracts. Go back a little bit, though, to what you said about, like, the perception that Kubrick films are like anti-human, which I totally don't agree with. I mean, they are, they show the ugliest size of humanity, absolutely. But I think,
Starting point is 01:00:46 I don't know, I can't think of a single Kubrick movie that is totally absent, like absent, absent any warmth or like charity or altruism or like kindness. Well, okay, yeah, that one.
Starting point is 01:01:02 But that's like, that's, you know, every every, yeah, that's a movie about being a bad guy. But there's all the, all the, or there's like a moment of like kindness in there somewhere. Um, right? They're like when they, when he
Starting point is 01:01:17 fucks the girl in the snow, that's consensual. Yeah. See? Okay, I'm right. But, but, but even, but even in those like microscopic moments of like ultra, even like the smallest moments like in this movie, like what we're about to see
Starting point is 01:01:33 after this battle scene, it makes those sing so much louder because you see like just the fucking horrific adivism that is at the core of people that is being barely held back, if at all. Yeah. And yeah, like, so basically like, you know like basically like he sees everyone die.
Starting point is 01:01:52 And like it, like I said, it's almost funny. Because they're drumming and then it's just like, the French fire of volley, like I said, like half of the people just dropped dead. And they're not even firing.
Starting point is 01:02:01 They're just walking towards the bull. And then like, also like his, one of his sort of presumptive father figure is another captain, Captain Robling, who's a family friend who serves in Captain Quinzer Regiment
Starting point is 01:02:12 and served as Barry's second in the original duel. He reconnects with Robling and Roebling has to tell him the joke of the first duel. Yeah, yeah. Which is that, once again, so good.
Starting point is 01:02:23 His shithead cousins, like, when they loaded the pistols for both of them, Barry was like, these aren't my guns and they're like, this one's fine. But instead of loading a lead ball, they, like, loaded it with like a plug of toe. So, like, you know, it's like shooting some of like salt or something. Like it hurts. But like it didn't kill Quinn because there were like, Robling's like, did you really think your cousins were going to allow any chance that you were going to kill 1500 a year out of the thing? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:02:47 And like, you know, he has to tell him, like, he's like, he asked him as like, how is Nora? And like, you know, and she's like, well, she's married now and he's like really to who well she's like her name is Nora Quinn now and he's like wait is there another Quinn yeah he is really Barry is not fast on the uptake and the uncle is like fucking with him
Starting point is 01:03:07 like is truly like loves this is like oh well this is gonna be good when I tell him this like he's gonna love this Barry is I mean I think this is not I think Barry Linden might be the best MMA movie ever it's okay like hearing out it's there's no real mMA in it except for like the scene with lord bolington
Starting point is 01:03:28 yeah yeah yeah we just talked about with super saint ryan o'neill but this is like what an mhm fighter is like kind of like you could tell them all you could be like no your entire family lied to you her last name is quinn we gave you bullshit pistols and you'd be umma fighter would still be like oh i fucking kill that guy bear yeah no barry is like chuck ladle or someone so So, yeah. So he sees Captain Roebling die. He carries him away. There's a, you know, and again, this is a tender scene where Roeling says, kiss me, my boy.
Starting point is 01:03:58 We'll never see it. Pause. We'll never see each other again. And so, like, once he gets his first taste of battle, one of my favorite. And uncle lips. Yeah. They kiss on the mouth. That's true.
Starting point is 01:04:08 Yeah. That's the real popping the cherry. Yeah. Like, I mean, yeah. Yeah. Most of him. Very finally becomes a man. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:04:15 Yeah. Yeah. Like, he sees him as much people die and then he kisses his uncle on the lips as he dies. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, I'm not a virgin anymore. I finally have my first kiss. Anyone can get pussy.
Starting point is 01:04:26 Anyone can fuck their hottest cousin before he gets sold to a guy. It takes a real man to walk directly. See all his guys walk directly into gunfire and then like slip your uncle some tongue. Yeah. That's an MMA thing. Like, yo, my uncle was my first kiss. What man? No, I bet if they did his study, like, you know, top champions, all of them their first kiss was their uncle.
Starting point is 01:04:51 especially the Brazilians. But like, after his first taste of battle, we get one of my favorite moments of narration in this movie, which I'm just going to bring it here. It is well to dream of glorious war and a snug armchair at home, but it is a very different thing to see it firsthand. After the death of his friend,
Starting point is 01:05:08 Barry's thoughts turned from those of military glory to those of finding a way to escape the service, which he was now tied for another six years. Gentlemen may talk of the age of chivalry, but remember the plowman, poachers, and pickpockets whom they lead. It is these sad instruments that your great warriors and kings have been doing their murderous work in the world.
Starting point is 01:05:27 And like that to me gets to the humanism of this movie. Yes. Yeah. This is what war really is. It's like farm boys and thieves who just get like gang pressed into like walking into gunfire at the behest of these chivalrous great and noble and honorable chivalrous men. In a conflict that we just are simply like the seven years war, it was between England and Prussia and Russia, France and Sweden.
Starting point is 01:05:49 It's like, why did they fight it? Who fucking came? It doesn't matter. Yeah. Not for the people doing it. And then barely even for the people who started it. Yeah. This is just what human civilization does.
Starting point is 01:06:01 Yeah. And I love it like later on when he's like pressed into the Prussian service when they're like the Prussian like the people. The Prussians would just like kidnap people. They make clear that by the end of the seven years of war, the Prussian like the officer class were Prussians. But everyone they were commanding were just basically people from every nation of Europe that had just been kidnapped and stolen and forced to be there into their army of torture and then murder. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:06:28 The entire are the entire like Prussian army around Barry Lyndon are people that were also in the British army and also stole the officer clothes and also got caught. Yeah. Does anyone in history have like better PR than the Prussians? Because like a guy, you know, the average idiot who's like, oh, I love history, you know, the average on Twitter. that you'd say Prussian, they're like, military prowess and genius.
Starting point is 01:06:54 And it's like, they were just a bunch of fucking square-headed Polacks. They were like Iron Islanders. They were like, they were just going around Polishly like, hey, you're my war slave asshole. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so Barry's chance of escape comes when he sees basically like,
Starting point is 01:07:12 it comes thanks to two gay guys. Yeah, yeah. Like, two officers and they're like way steep in the water. And I love like the, like, like the little bits of the conversation going on between them that you hear as Barry sees that he can steal an officer's uniform and traveling papers
Starting point is 01:07:26 and they're like, life would be so dreary without you. Tiz! Tiz! So, like, Barry, like, once again, Larry's looking around. I love when he looks around. Once again, like, Felix, like you said, a plan measured in milliseconds.
Starting point is 01:07:41 Like, he just sees the opportunity and, like, he just jacks this officer's uniform and traveling papers and horace. And he just lights out across Germany. And he's like, if I can make it across the lines, I can get to, like, Holland or something, like, an unaligned country and, like, maybe he get back to Ireland or
Starting point is 01:07:57 something. And he has a pretty good go of it for a while. I like when he, like, he shacks up with that port, like, that hot German woman and her baby. And now, like, and that sequence, like, Barry is not put in the like the opposite. Like, he is almost, like, has to play the role of father. Like, he gets, like, a
Starting point is 01:08:13 taste of what it would be like to be someone else's father figure. Yeah. And, like, to play the role of a husband for this woman. And, You also get the impression that this is another kid without a father. Well, yeah. His father is off at war. Well, I think that woman is lying because then the narration says afterwards, like... She says, a lady who sets her heart upon a lad in uniform must prepare to change lovers pretty quickly, or her life will be but a sad one.
Starting point is 01:08:37 This heart of Leishon was likely, was like many a neighboring town and had been stormed and occupied several times before Barry came to invest it. Yeah, literally... She's been doing this with, like, French soldiers. German soldiers. Polish soldiers, Russian soldiers. This is just like an endless race because like,
Starting point is 01:08:53 look, she's a woman on her own with an infant in like war-torn Europe. What the fuck else you're going to do? She thinks she's an officer. Yeah. This was the closest thing to social mobility for a lot of people. You were like,
Starting point is 01:09:04 you were Eskimo brothers with like a colonel in the Prussian military through this woman. And I love that the fake name that he gives is literally Jonathan Fakenham. my name is Lieutenant Jonathan Fakenham
Starting point is 01:09:20 Would that have to have been the name of the officer Whose Papers he had Perloined I Perhaps I think I like to think that was literally like Fakenham Yeah yeah And then And Barry can read
Starting point is 01:09:32 Barry can read He can read He's gentry he can read And but I love one of my favorite little details That's super easy to miss When she says goodbye to him She kisses him and says goodbye Redmond So obviously he fucked her
Starting point is 01:09:43 And was like Look I'm not so grand is all I've said. He called out his own name. And then like, when it came. Oh, Redmond. Daddy Redmond.
Starting point is 01:09:54 Daddy Barry. And like, yeah, so, so, uh, Barry's desertion is like going pretty well for himself. You know, he gets, he gets dinner. He gets laid. Yeah. He's got a horse and he's just like, you know,
Starting point is 01:10:04 gallivending across Europe. He runs into a bit of a problem, though, when he comes across a Prussian military officer who queries him. And what I love Captain Potts. him. I love this character. Because he's wearing the blue coat. Barry's in the red coat. And I love it from like the instant they meet.
Starting point is 01:10:24 Like he is in deep shit because this guy clocks him, as happens many times in this movie, this guy clocks him as a deserter instantly. Immediately. Instantly. Potsam looks at him and sees like a steak with legs. He's like, I can get this guy to do fucking anything.
Starting point is 01:10:39 Once again, we get like this very menacing display of courtesy. Yeah. And this exchange of like sort of social custom and social status. Because like Barry is a guy who in actuality is quite a bit beneath Captain Pottsonam. Yeah. But like he's gotten away with pretending to be an officer for a while.
Starting point is 01:10:58 And he pushes it just too far. Yeah. Pottsam asks to see his papers and he's like, he's like, do you mind if I ask? Like where are you traveling? And he's like, oh, like I'm going to Bremen. Bremen. And he's like, really?
Starting point is 01:11:10 He's like, you're going in the opposite direction. Bremen is 10 miles back the way you're coming from. He's like, oh. in all my haste, like my adjutant, like, didn't get prepared proper maps to the area from me. And then he's like, no, no worry. He's like, we're allies. He's like, you'd be my honor.
Starting point is 01:11:25 If you could be my guest at dinner tonight and we'll have proper maps of Bremen made up for you. Yeah, yeah. And he's eating, and like, he sort of like regales him with like, he just keeps Barry talking with like, as the narrator says. So what's England like? And Barry has no clue.
Starting point is 01:11:38 He's like, like, a flattery and, like, charm and questions. He just keeps like, and he says, like, Barry tells him that his uncle is the British ambassador to Berlin. Yeah. And his name is O'Grady. You know how bad, like this was until about, I would say what, like 1870, you could do this. You could go anywhere and be like, yeah, I'm fucking this guy.
Starting point is 01:12:03 Like, if you didn't get too greedy, right? If you were like, okay, for instance, if you were in, if you're an Irish guy in Germany, you were like, oh yeah, I'm a. fucking doctor from Canada because most Germans, even the like literate once, they don't know what Canada's like, they don't know what Canada's like. But Barry's such a dumbass that he's like, oh,
Starting point is 01:12:25 I'm actually this, the, related to this guy whose name and face you know. Yeah, yeah. Got his name on just now. Think how hard that would be to do in the 17th, in the 18th century. Your best friend, that's my dad. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:12:38 I'm actually your brother. I'm like, he finally gets them because he's like, he's like, oh, like, who are you carrying, like, this message to him? And he goes, oh, uh, General Williamson. And then, like, that's the name does he has him. And he's like, General Williamson, really? He's like, yes. And he's like, so you're, you're carrying official military documents to a general that died 10 months ago.
Starting point is 01:12:59 And then he's like, Sergeant? And like, this is just the beginning of, like, another rise and fall in the first half of this story. And, like, that always coincides with the introduction of another evil father figure. Yeah, yeah. We're like, now it's this Prussian military officer who makes Barry, as you said, his war slave. Yeah. And if you thought being in the British military sucked, like, they make good, because you see, like, the walking the gauntlet is like, it's like, like, they cut to the, like, to illustrate what being in the Prussian military is like, it's just like poor asshole shirtless walking through like, again, another formation of bodies of like guys on either side of him just cane his back. and Barry is the one walking in front of him
Starting point is 01:13:41 with a musket pointed backwards. Yeah, yeah. Right in his chest. And they make clear that basically like Corporal punishment is like, that's what they do in the Prussian military. Like any officer can inflicted on you at any time. Minor offenses, you would be caned in the gauntlet.
Starting point is 01:13:56 And that's like you have to walk past like 30 sets of guys hitting you as hard as they can with a fucking cane on your back. Yeah. And then the more serious events, they would mutilate or kill you. Yeah. And I love, I love like in the battle scene
Starting point is 01:14:09 too at this point. It's one of my favorite like sight gags in the entire movie is when Barry's like in the building and he's like fire, he has his musket and he like just like peeks out the window and then like points the musket out the window and fires into like a mass
Starting point is 01:14:25 of like 20,000 guys that are like a mile and a half away and it's like that's not going to do anything. It's so funny. Yeah. As we mentioned about the depression service, he says the narrator says at the close of the years war, the army so renowned
Starting point is 01:14:41 for its disciplined valor, was officered by native Prussians, but it was composed for the most part of men from the lowest levels of humanity, hired or stolen from almost every nation in Europe. Thus, Barry fell into the very worst of courses and company, and was soon very far advanced in the science
Starting point is 01:14:57 of every kind of misconduct. This, Zell Disney watches the scene, and he's like, this is the type of military I want. Like, this is what they're doing over there. I like, like, I, this is probably the greatest portrayal of Prussians ever in cinema. That is, they are the official country of circumcised dryjacking.
Starting point is 01:15:19 It's just that they are a pointlessly painful and cruel society. The modern day approach, or, you know, modern in the historical sense, Spartan. Yeah, exactly. And every sense of it. Yeah. And I love like, after the battle, after he saves the guy. After he saves Potsdam. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:15:36 Pots. And, like, the colonel, like, brings everyone in and is, like, I just talked to the king, and he said, y'all did a great job. He's so, he loves you guys. That probably feels so good. And to honor Barry for his heroic service and saving Captain Podstom, they're like, we give you two coins. And, like, he comes out in front of the regiment, and then the colonel is just like, I'd like to everyone to be known that even though I'm giving you these two coins, I don't think very much of you. and for all your skills, you will amount to nothing. And he's like, thank you, sir.
Starting point is 01:16:09 Yeah, yeah. He's like, I love the army more than anything, sir. I love being Prudgeon. He was like, he was like, I put, sir, he's like, I would go to hell if it served the regiment. Yeah. So like the war ends and then like he finds himself basically like under the wing of Captain Pottsdam and basically like is set up as like basically his adjutant in Berlin.
Starting point is 01:16:33 And like he is put it into the service. of Pottsdam's uncle, who's like the head of the ministry of police. And basically, like, because he speaks English, they put him in touch with, like, what will become, I think, like, the most consequential father figure of him in this movie,
Starting point is 01:16:48 which is the Chevalier de Balibari. Yeah. Who is another Irish rogue and gambler who's very close to the court of Vienna, to, like, the king of Austria, who is in Berlin, and they suspect him of being a spy. So they're like, okay,
Starting point is 01:17:03 we'll take, I'm going to take the dumbest guy I know. Yeah, yeah. A double agent for me in service to this, the Chevalier. And I love one of my favorite, like, gags in the movie is when they're driving in a carriage to the Chevalier's place. And he's like, you were, you have weakness in your loins. That's why you're not in the war. You were in this guy's unit. Here's a letter from him.
Starting point is 01:17:27 Here's, like, all this info about yourself. You don't speak English. You. And it's like, Barry is literally just. like, the, uh, okay, could you say that again? Like, he is just like, dead, staring dead straight out the window with a thousand yard stare. Like, you know none of this is getting through to him.
Starting point is 01:17:46 And true to form, Barry cracks instantly. Because, like, you know, as the narration explains, like, you know, for someone who's been not in their native country, someone who's sort of, essentially Barry is a prisoner of the Germans, you know, he's like a prisoner who, like, you know, he's doing his best to serve them. but as soon as he sees the Chevalier, played by Patrick McGee, and his noble bearing and his style and like his just his voice, the voice of a fellow Irishman,
Starting point is 01:18:13 he cracks instantly and just spills the beans, and then becomes a double agent for the Chevalier. And like reports back to the Prussians, but reports back the inconsequential details of his daily routine, but nothing like actually, and like he's speaking English to the Chevalier all the time because, like, they basically, like, he just spills the beans and the Chevalier's like,
Starting point is 01:18:31 who himself is a gambler and a rogue is like this kid I like this kid Yeah yeah This kid's got gum shit This is one of my favorite scenes in the movie When he just He doesn't even like
Starting point is 01:18:45 Barry doesn't even give Uh being shitty James Bond Like a second order to that Like he instantly burst into tears Because again like he is a kid He's a kid And this is how this is why Prussia is not around anymore. This is why Prussia
Starting point is 01:19:03 is like, you know, let's be honest, mostly Poland and part of like, you know, New Turkey, Germany. I'm just kidding. I don't think that. But anyhow, because they see,
Starting point is 01:19:19 like anyone with any sense would see this guy and be like this got, like, if we send this guy to talk to the oldest person we have around, which is a 41 year old, like he's just going to kiss him on the mouth. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:19:32 It's like this guy needs a dad so fucking bad. He brought, like, people shit on Ryan O'Neill's performance in this movie
Starting point is 01:19:40 just because Ryan O'Neill's like a bad guy, which I don't think is fair to, let's separate the actor, actor from the acting, okay? He's not, he's not a bad,
Starting point is 01:19:50 look, like, Tatum O'Neill very bad to his daughter. But like, you know, in preparing for today's episode, I saw an account
Starting point is 01:19:55 from his son who said that when he was 11, his dad gave him cocaine and made him do it. So, But a bad guy Share his cocaine That's cool as fuck
Starting point is 01:20:04 Yeah Like cocaine's cheap Like yeah He was like boozy Yeah Yeah But separate the actor From the acting
Starting point is 01:20:14 I love like I love this scene I actually think O'Neill does a great job here With just the He's had to keep up this like Tough exterior Like the way that you like
Starting point is 01:20:26 Keep yourself from crying When you're like a six year old Yeah Yeah when the vending machine is out of soda, like whatever you cry about when you're six, when you're just like you, you were like physically fighting it.
Starting point is 01:20:39 Him do, he does that, he makes that he does that convincingly as an adult and then loses to it. Yeah. In a way that is, again, I can't picture anyone else paying, plain Barry because,
Starting point is 01:20:53 obviously he is a rhinonyl type guy, but like, it's just, no one else could sell this scene like that to me. Yeah. The palpable just, like relief and almost like begging for mercy with the
Starting point is 01:21:04 Chevalier is so you just feel it on such a deep level. Because like it's a huge gamble. Like like by all accounts like he has no reason to believe that this won't completely destroy him by like. He could die from this. Yeah. They would kill him like what the show he has no reason to believe the Chevalier will be on his side.
Starting point is 01:21:20 Yeah. But like in fact he is and he takes him under his wing and Barry begins his career as a gamer. Yeah. A professional gamer. Yeah. A gamer who like I'd not get too far ahead of ourselves, but like because this is the 18th century, when you do exploits, people are like
Starting point is 01:21:36 what I found your IP address, I'm going to kick your ass, Barry is the guy you sent. Yeah. When they docks you. Yeah. Barry's the one sending you messages on Xbox live where you hit plays a solo on electric guitar. Yeah. Kill yourself. Well, no, no.
Starting point is 01:21:52 You, you're the guy who is doing the solo. Yeah. And because there are no SWAT teams yet, you can't swap people. So you, you someone. You show up to their house and then Barry fucks you up. Yeah. No streamer would be swatted if Barry was around today by the way. And
Starting point is 01:22:10 through gambling the Chevalier cheats at cards a nobleman who is described as Felix will enjoy this. A prince who had intimate connections with the great Frederick. Oh yeah. This guy they are there are a lot of suggestions that this guy has some sugar in the
Starting point is 01:22:28 tank. They cheat this guy at Karez, and he's like, he's like, Chevalier. Like, though I don't know how, like, I just know that you cheated me. I'm like, I'm not paying this debt. So, like, this becomes like for Captain Potsdam and his uncle, the minister of police, this could be like a big incident because the shalloye, he's in close to the court of Austria. So they're like, we can't allow him to challenge this prince or claim satisfaction. And Barry lets him know that he will.
Starting point is 01:22:56 So they're like, we just have to get him out of the country. and like this is the opportunity for Barry to finally make his escape from the Prussians and like he changes like knowing that they're going to exile him from the country he changes places like he changes places with the Chevalier and dresses like him with the eye patch and the wig
Starting point is 01:23:12 and then like as he leaves for his morning carriage ride the Prussian soldiers put him in a carriage and take him to the frontier but they're actually taking Barry and like letting him escape because the Chevalier went the night before and so then him and his new father figure are set loose on the continent on the courts of continental Europe
Starting point is 01:23:29 to just gamble and cheat people. The happiest part of the movie. This is, like, the salad days. The scene really says like, you know, like, he was like, Barry found himself in the best of circumstances. He was in places where play was patronized
Starting point is 01:23:44 and were professors of that particular science where you could never not find a home. We could never not find a place. That's a great description. He's a play scientist. Yeah. Yeah. Like on all the great courts of Europe,
Starting point is 01:23:55 all noblemen love to game. I have my PhD in play player. I'm a certified player. I feel like when we were talking last night, you described the scene of like, again, like, these scenes, one of the most famous things about this movie is its use of interiors that are literally lit only by candlelight to create this like uncanny glow of like what life was like before electricity. But like to do that with film, this is the thing where he literally absconded.
Starting point is 01:24:27 with a camera lens that was created by NASA. Yeah. To film like stars. It's like a lens it's the lens from an SR 71 Blackbird. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:24:39 It's the largest aperture of like any lens like ever used. 0.07 or 0.7. Like it has to have this huge aperture and like it's like this priceless piece with technology that apparently like you knew someone at NASA, you know, from faking the moon landing.
Starting point is 01:24:52 Yeah. He's always interested in camera technology and they're like, oh, like check out this cool thing. And he was like, oh, can I? can I see it? They were like, yeah, sure. And then he, like, just like took it and filmed Barry.
Starting point is 01:25:01 It's the Mr. Burns. Mr. Burns. Yeah, yeah. Castro. Pretty berry thing to do. Yeah, yeah. Like, that is, hey, there's only one of these that exists.
Starting point is 01:25:11 Don't, like, take it to fucking Ireland to shoot your movie. Okay. Do not make Barry Lyndon. Yeah. It says that on the sign, little print. But, like, the aperture, the camera, the lens has to be so large to allow in, like, the meager candlelight to make these, like, scenes that are just,
Starting point is 01:25:27 literally lit only with candles as would have it happened, would have existed in the 18th century. That was what it was like. If you wanted to stay up past, I don't know, seven o'clock. Yeah. Well, I don't know, it's Europe,
Starting point is 01:25:36 so it gets dark a little later. But yeah, like the, just the, like, the beauty and the uncanniness of the interior is shot only by candlelight in this movie is really, it's incredible. It's unbelievable. Yeah, there's, it's never,
Starting point is 01:25:50 like, you can't do it anymore. Yeah, it's, it's jaw-dropping. Like, it's like, it's something I don't think has ever really been replicated in movies. No, no. NASA took their fucking lens back. Well, no, no, the lens is actually, I saw it in a museum. Like, there was like a Kubrick, like, exhibit at this, I forget which museum I was in, I think it was in, like, San Francisco.
Starting point is 01:26:10 But it was, like, a traveling exhibit, so it was, like, everywhere. But Felix, I always, we were talking about this movie last night, and in particular this scene of, like, Barry and the Chevalier, like, doing their work. Playing Bellotro. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And, you know, like, they're sort of, the system of cheating and dueling. We're like, you know, they're all the, although when playing with anyone of honor or title, like they would never, they would always accept credit.
Starting point is 01:26:33 They would always play on credit and they would always accept promissory notes in lieu of gold. But, like, you know, when the bill comes due, Barry is there with, you know, fencing sword at the ready. Yeah. And make sure that the debt is eventually paid. And I love the guy who they take at cards who like, he's like, oh, just sweet, fatigé, like, allelu. Like, and he's just like, like, I would like my de junei now and they're getting up. And then Barry's just like, you don't mind signing this. right? And he's like, of course not.
Starting point is 01:27:00 And I saw all these like these rich noble guys that they're like, they're taking, they're cheating it cards. They're just like, that they think like owning anyone money is like violence to them. Like they can't bear it, especially someone who's not also nobility. Yeah. And they always will try to weasel out of it in any way.
Starting point is 01:27:15 But Barry is there as like the enforcer to once again, engage in dueling as it means of like settling a dispute. It is, this is, I could just, I could watch 20 hours. of just them doing this. Of them going all over the continent,
Starting point is 01:27:31 just playing whatever fucking, like whatever weird bullshit games we have probably never heard of. Games that probably died with these guys' bloodlines. Yeah. Against these hemophiliacs. And whenever it gets dicey, whenever someone's like,
Starting point is 01:27:48 hey, how come you, you and the, you and the one guy who isn't like as pale as a sheet in here, how come you keep touching your noses looking at, other. Yeah. Barry's like, okay,
Starting point is 01:27:59 I'm on go. It's time to lock in. And he just has to beat the flock out of one of these little pansies. Barry's not even like that great of a sword fighter. And he's going up against guys who like presumably, you know, got tutored in fencing and shit. But there's like the average European noble is so like fragile.
Starting point is 01:28:20 Barry is just, Barry is a specimen. Yeah. He's like, they probably talked about it. They were like, he was the first athlete on. the dueling over cheating and gambling scene.
Starting point is 01:28:31 Yeah, yeah. He brought, he's the first guy brought athleticism there. And Barry, like, Barry's, he, like, he could have fucking, with, like, real blades, he would have been a warlord from what we see in this scene. He really fucking owns these guys.
Starting point is 01:28:49 Yeah. But, like, you describe watching that scene as, like, you described it, like, invoked a feeling in you like from childhood of, like, like getting a Coca-Cola or something? Yeah, that's, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's, there is this, I hate the fucking, I try to avoid, uh, the language everyone uses for this type of stuff.
Starting point is 01:29:11 I think it's, this is like what Kino means, people say, and it's fucking stupid because like you'll see people, you know, someone will be like, oh, I just made the nine billionth fucking shitty YouTube documentary about Chris Chan. Yeah, people would be like, Kino. and it's like, okay, it's another word that means nothing now then and was stupid to begin with. But there is a specific feeling you get from like watching.
Starting point is 01:29:35 It's not just something that's like great because there are great things I watch that don't give me this feeling. But like the only thing I put it up against was like season five of the Subranos. Which I wouldn't even necessarily say is my favorite season. It's up there but like I don't know if it is my favorite. but for whatever reason there is a confluence of like the way that it is shot and put together and edited
Starting point is 01:30:03 the confluence of the song choices the composition specifically and the performances that just give you this feeling of comfort where you know we we've had this conversation before how like the concept of the afterlife is horrifying because anything for eternity is horrifying but I could deal with watching this for eternity. If the eternity of this existed, I could deal with that because it is just
Starting point is 01:30:31 the feeling of palpable comfort and luxury you get out of like a 34 ounce pebble cup filled with Coke heavy as a child. Yeah, that's what, watching these scenes is the adult equivalent. It's, I really, I could, I could be like Howard Hughes and just spent four years like in a permanent movie theater
Starting point is 01:30:52 watching, you know, if they have four years worth of these scenes in Islamic Evan. So yeah, like, it makes quite a career for himself as a gambler, but like here is where the movie
Starting point is 01:31:07 like, the entry to part two begins with the introduction of Lady Lyndon. And one of my other favorite narration but moments in the movie as he sort of like first sets eyes on Lady Lyndon who was married to like this ancient gout sufferer.
Starting point is 01:31:22 Paul Rubens and 30 Rock, basically. This is another way that he's like a John Singleton character. Or, uh, fuck, God, I, the dad from Friday. John Witherspoon. John Witherspoon. John Sincleton directed the movie. I'm sorry. Everyone. Yeah, F. Gary Gray directed Friday.
Starting point is 01:31:39 Wait, what? Yeah, yeah. Singleton directed Boys in the Hood. Wow, that's not technically raised. Like, well, it's something what I did there. But when I said John Singleton, I meant. to say that yeah he's like John Witherspoon in Friday
Starting point is 01:31:56 and this is another way that he's like John Witherspoon because he basically Barry's next come up he does some real like you know the Irish for slaves to do stuff Barry does social mobility by playing the dozens. Yeah
Starting point is 01:32:12 a one-sided game of the dozens because this guy does not have shit for him. He basically kills a guy by mocking him too hard. Yeah yeah he fucking owns this guy. This guy This guy, basically, for all intents and purposes, this is like another hemophiliac aristocrat who is just like beamed up by a Star Trek tractor beam and dropped into a barber shop in Bronzeville and Chicago. That's basically what fucking happens to him. But it's a tutorial boss that he like, this is how you kill someone with your words.
Starting point is 01:32:44 If you're a black barber, this is like, yeah, this is your undead asylum level is this guy. wheelbarrow. He's like sitting in a fucking wheelbarrow basically. He fucking push him in. It's just like remedial making fun of white people class for barbers. I have the hottest wife you've ever seen and she wants to fuck you. What are you going to say to me about it?
Starting point is 01:33:11 Lord Linden, like the guy he's seeking to replace. Like he cuts on Barry because he's like, have you done with my lady yet, sir? And he's like, I don't know what you're talking about. And he's like, come, come. I'm a man who'd rather be known as a cuckold than a fool. And it's like, you've already lost. Great start.
Starting point is 01:33:26 Yeah, right. Start. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know how this guy got this far. This is how he starts off. And he's like, he's like, how nice does I approach you on in my life that my wife likes me so much that she's preparing for my departure? And he's like, he's like hacking. And very close him falling out.
Starting point is 01:33:48 It's like, he coats him up by just like, basically like his comeback is. like, sir, let those who laugh be the ones who win. And then he walks away and the guy just dies. He's not even that good at roasting people. He's not smart enough. The two times he roast people and it like works in this movie, it is the guy who's just a bigger, dumber berry. And this, like a guy who has 37 seconds to live and just announce the entire room
Starting point is 01:34:15 that his wife is two-timing him. But the narration to introduce this section. from the movie I love. Five years in the English and Prussian armies, plus considerable experience of traveling the world, had by now dispelled any of those romantic notions regarding love with which Barry commenced life. And he had it in mind, as so many gentlemen had before him, to marry a woman of great fortune and condition. And as such things so often happened, these thoughts closely coincided with his setting sight upon a lady who would henceforth play a considerable part in the drama of his life, the Countess of Linden.
Starting point is 01:34:51 And like, and she is a dime, she's fucking hard. Marissa Berenson, who plays the Countess of Lyndon, the seduction scene where it's another one of these lit by candlelight,
Starting point is 01:35:01 and she's sitting at the gambling table with her awful Licksbill chaplain, the Reverend Runt. Yes, and it's just straight out of a van like painting. And I love this scene, because you get one of the great uses of music in this movie, which is Schubert's piano trio and E-flat.
Starting point is 01:35:15 And it's just like the, it's like the culmination the building of this piano. And it's them blocking eyes across the gambling table. And no words are exchanged between them at all. And it's like the scene is so long. And it's like, it's so quiet as she like walks outside and stands out there alone. And it holds on her for so long until Barry, you see him like remove himself from the table
Starting point is 01:35:36 and come outside and like approach her and kiss her. And it's like in that moment of seduction that like a kind of shallow lust and desire between them is like culminates in that moment. But it is really like it's the cruel. and coldness endemic in this movie because it really is the only moment of actual war between them for the rest of their lives. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:35:55 Like, because what Barry does is essentially like this beautiful young woman who's married to, like, Lord Gout. Yeah, he's like, teeth are falling out of his head. Like, he's got to use fake moles to cover the real moles, like on his fucking face. He's wearing, he's wearing, like, face makeup that's, like, probably, like, powdered cyanide or whatever they were using back in.
Starting point is 01:36:15 The natural, like, un-makeup texture his skin is like a lays potato chip. It is like totally translucent. He cannot like if you brought in to a too big of a candle into that house, he'd be like, Ah, too much light. I'm fucking dying here. This is like the kind of setup by the way.
Starting point is 01:36:35 Like to be fair to Barry's family, we made fun of them a lot for, you know, we've got to sell pussy to get out of this mess. This was basically like what you did back that was like, if you instead of owing 4,000, you owe 400,000 this is the kind of like
Starting point is 01:36:54 pussy selling, your family engages in. This is like you lost a war. And you have to like the hottest woman ever in your family, you have to marry her off to the grossest guy that they can find. But the narration does make clear that Lady Lyndon's family is also incredibly wealthy.
Starting point is 01:37:13 Yeah. Like she's not like that. That's the thing about Lady Lyndon is that unlike Barry, who is a figure who, like I said, is always arriving. Yeah. And as we see in the second half of the movie, can never bit in with the true aristocracy.
Starting point is 01:37:25 Like his, the peerage side quest goes so badly for him. Because, like, he's not one of them and will never be. Whereas Lady Lyndon is someone who's inertia, who's like static position is what signals her legitimacy in this world. So you think it was maybe the reverse? No, no, no. Like the, like the dead, uh, he,
Starting point is 01:37:45 he used to be really. hot when his family was deeply in debt. I think it was just like, I'm kidding. I think it was just like two very wealthy families becoming even more. No, I know. I know. I like the idea that he was like three years ago. He was fucking sexy.
Starting point is 01:37:59 And then he got like a staff infection and they didn't know how to treat it. Basically, Barry is putting himself in like his cousin Nora's position. Like yeah. This is my family does. I'm selling dick though. Yeah. I'm going to good dick on back page.
Starting point is 01:38:12 Oh my God. Yeah. No. He is. This is the jury. The Hustlers Progress. Yeah. A Pilgrim's Progress.
Starting point is 01:38:19 This movie actually should be called the Hustler's Progress. Yeah, yeah. He says, like, you know, and after, after like, I love the line by the narrator, I said like, you know, like after their first, whatever, first meeting, Barry found innumerable occasions for them to increase their intimacy. I mean, Barry is, this is another Sopranos connection, by the way. Barry is constantly like showing up at the tail end of things, right? Yeah.
Starting point is 01:38:47 Yeah. Not always in a bad way. It does sometimes work out in his advantage. He's showing up to be a war slave, which is a bad thing. But at the tail end of that and he gets an out here. I mean, also just he's showing up to aristocracy when it's got like not that much time left. Like really it just did it. The French Revolution is like.
Starting point is 01:39:13 right after this events of this movie, like a few, like a decade or so after. Yeah, yeah. And this is like, you know, again, it's a coin flip, whether it's good or bad.
Starting point is 01:39:26 He shows up here right literally when this guy has seconds to live and he can sell dick. Yeah. He like, he is, and his, all,
Starting point is 01:39:36 like another reason why I love all the fucking gambling and fighting montage. That is like, he's like Goku and the hyperbaric chamber, but for training to like finally slings some dick. Yeah, yeah. He's learning like social skills in there.
Starting point is 01:39:50 Finally. And then he is just, he is about to fight free, Friza in the form of this woman's pussy. Yeah, yeah. And like, this is like, the scene where he like, he's trunks coming in. Yeah. Yeah. The scene where he mocks Lord Lyndon to death is like the last scene right before we get into
Starting point is 01:40:10 the intermission and like the second part of this movie. but like very hard very easy to miss but the last line you hear right before it goes to the intermission as lord linden is like coughing himself to death is one of his friends around the table goes have some brandy sir charles and then it's he oh my god those are his friends he's like someone get a surgeon and the surgeon comes like i brought some brandy that was like 90% of like medicine to be treat any ailment or injury in like the 18th century was like have some brandy i i always joke about like, I always joke about the idea of a horse doctor in like old times. It's just like a guy who has a gun.
Starting point is 01:40:50 Any guy who has a gun. Like, it's just like. It is amazing that any of a, like humanity survived. Right? Like it's fucking insane. And one of my favorite gags about this is when, when it goes to intermission, it's a slow fade out. And it like a slow fade. it slowly fades out on the
Starting point is 01:41:12 narrator eulogizing Lord Lindian. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We don't give a fuck about that. Oh, you're the final insult. This is like the end of the... Changing the channel on the TV when it's like a news story about him.
Starting point is 01:41:29 One note about the actual intermission cart in this movie. I took Catherine to see this movie very early in our relationship. And I was like, this is one of my favorite movies. I've never seen in the theater before. This is going to be awesome.
Starting point is 01:41:43 So like as soon as the, like literally you see intermission on the screen, I turned to Catherine and I'm doing like the Nicholson nod. I'm like, amazing, right? And she just looks at me like, you motherfucker. Like how the fuck? She's like, this is. It's twice to say, I'm not a fan on her first viewing.
Starting point is 01:42:00 I started to see Barry Linden and Crum early on in our relationship. Just to be like, this is a preview of things to come. If you want to get off the train now, this leaving the station. I always love that about you that you showed her crumb. That's awesome. I guess for me,
Starting point is 01:42:16 they'd be showing, you know, any of the women I dated, also she wolf, BSS. Yeah, this is what I've seen, yeah.
Starting point is 01:42:25 Now we return to like the fatalism of this movie and like, as you said, like the sort of almost Calvinism of the movie where it puts you as the viewer of the movie in the position of being the god that Calvinism describes.
Starting point is 01:42:38 Yeah, yes. Because, like, part two begins with, like, the title card that says, containing an account of the misfortunes and disasters which befell Barry Wendon. And it's like, well, yeah, once again, it's like, nothing you can do or feel in your life as an individual is really is knowable to other people, nor is it even knowable to yourself. Yeah. But the thing is, God has already determined. God, the society you're born into, your genetics, like, whatever.
Starting point is 01:43:06 Like, that is fate and like, fate always wins. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And also, this is just everything that happens in this, like, final, like, I said this in our conversation last night. I haven't said it on the episode yet, though. I guess like third of the movie, this is just while referencing the runtime. I have never seen a movie this long. I think, like, 185 minutes. Yeah, it's like almost four hours.
Starting point is 01:43:35 Yeah, nearly four hour movie. It's three and a half hours. I have never seen a movie this long that just fucking flies by. I remember I had gotten to this point in the movie and I went up to pause it because I was going to do something and I saw that there were like, God, like an hour left and I thought, oh, holy shit. It is, it's not even, it's not even like this is like a breezy or light movie. It is just, it is just that that feeling of the perfect confluence, that perfect office. that perfect audio visual performance, a confluence,
Starting point is 01:44:12 it just goes down so fucking easy. And you think, like, this movie is often described as difficult to watch because of like, I don't know, probably like how much, how ADHD everyone is now,
Starting point is 01:44:22 but this movie really does put you in the kind of like, the rhythms of life of the 18th century. And like the fact that like, there are long stretches, like without dialogue, there's like, but it's the music in the movie.
Starting point is 01:44:35 It's the soundtrack to the movie. that does really all the heavy lifting of pushing you through it and like the sort of, like the quiet and the slowness of life is nonetheless animated and incredibly propulsive.
Starting point is 01:44:50 Like it's incredibly hypnotic. And I think it's just like, it speaks to like the really, just the uncanny ability of Stanley Kubrick as a filmmaker to like, to do like two seemingly impossible things at the same time.
Starting point is 01:45:03 Which is like, on the one hand, ground a modern audience in the kind of the glacial rhythms of a completely different century of like of an almost alien world but at the same time like through music and then like through the images itself like low you into this dreamlike state where of which like the passage of time you don't really even experience it yeah yeah yeah I don't I don't even know I like gun to my head
Starting point is 01:45:29 why exactly does it flow by so quickly I don't think I could answer that. I mean, obviously it is like the confluence of all these things, but like what specifically is that? I mean, I think the, you can owe it enormously to the music because the experience of watching this, especially for the
Starting point is 01:45:48 first time, it is like being led in an elaborate dance and you just get, you kind of fall into a rhythm and you you get lost into it. But this here, like I guess final like third or so of this movie, this is really, really,
Starting point is 01:46:04 this really challenges the old truism. It is better to have loved and lost. This movie takes that saying and goes, oh, really? So part two opens with Barry basically like as high as he's ever going to be. He has married the lady Lyndon. He has been given the name,
Starting point is 01:46:29 Lyndon, the style and title of Barry Lyndon. And they're married by the like, you know, hurt like the awful Licksbittal chaplain, the Reverend Runt. And I love, like, in the sermon delivered for marriage, like, as he's married, as the Lady Lyndon is married off to this, like, straight up fuck boy. Yeah. The whole sermon that the Reverend gives is about how marriage is an important institution to, like, bridle men's carnal bestial desires to fornicate.
Starting point is 01:46:55 Yeah. To, like, a holy purpose. And he says, to satisfy a man's carnal appetites, like brute beasts, who have no understanding. but instead to be taken into reverently, discreetly, soberly, and in the fear of God. Like, this is the only time it's okay to have sex. Reverently, discreetly, and soberly and in the fear of God. Yeah, yeah. Sounds great, man.
Starting point is 01:47:19 Sounds fucking great. You got to be scared when you're fucking. This chaplain character, by the way, he is one of the, I didn't expect for there to be so many sopranos parallels, but it really makes sense. I mean, it's, this is the original father, Phil Intentola. Yep. This asshole. Yeah. This guy.
Starting point is 01:47:41 And what I love about their wedding is that it is obvious to everyone but countess, Lady Lyndon, what's going on here. It's obvious to her seven-year-old son who she had with Charles Lyndon, the previous, the Lord Lyndon, the bog to death guy. And we'll get to him, he's a done. Okay. Yeah, yeah. I'm wrong.
Starting point is 01:48:00 Lord Bollington is the hero of. the movie in my I think I'm gonna we'll get into this but it's like I found myself on Barry's side so often. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. I think this is like kind of a younger child, youngest child versus
Starting point is 01:48:15 oldest child. Like as a youngest child I kind of like identify Lord Bullington as the enemy. Yeah, yeah. What a pity I'm just imagining Sam saying to you, what a pity it is for your sake that I'm not dead. we'll get at the scene where they're trying to study
Starting point is 01:48:34 I was I was I was little I was a little Brian I was a little Brian I don't like So like he's married into this like this very wealthy noble house Um and I like
Starting point is 01:48:50 And there's a scene where like They're they've been married And they're both in carriages like going back to her castle And I love like it sets the tone for what they're married He's going to be like because he's smoking a pipe in this, like, tiny carriage. And his wife is, like, what's not vaping? This pipe you have ever seen.
Starting point is 01:49:05 She's like, she's doing the, like, you know, the sort of fake cough, like, like, ha, like, trying to, like, wave away the smoke. And she goes, like, I'm sorry, honey, like, do you mind? And he just turns straight into her and blows smoke straight in her face. Yeah. Like, what the fuck is he doing? He doesn't even, like, it would be so easy. That, that is, you can't even really do that with this movie.
Starting point is 01:49:23 Be like, oh, Barry, why don't you act normal? Because then, like, you know, what is the point in? of this movie. Yeah. The asshole who became normal. That sucks. But it's like, there are so many parts where it's like,
Starting point is 01:49:36 if he just was like 7% less of a stupid asshole, he could ride this out for a. Yeah. Oh yeah. He would have it fucking made, but he is just, at these crucial moments where it's like, Barry,
Starting point is 01:49:48 don't be like pointlessly obstinate. He's like, have some smoke, you dumb bitch. Yeah, because like he, he, you know,
Starting point is 01:49:57 like as someone, who has had any romantic notions of love dispelled from him, this name is like a totally mercenary act. And as soon as the marriage is completed and also, crucially, that she bears him with son, like he has no reason to treat her like a human being whatsoever.
Starting point is 01:50:13 Yeah, I mean, it is, that is a great summation of various character, though. He considers himself, like, incredibly wise for have, he's gone through the ringer and he sees... He sees society for what it really is. Right, in the Kubrickian sense of having all the veneers stripped away and sees what a mercenary you must become to, you know,
Starting point is 01:50:32 rise up through the muck and the mire. Yeah, to advance your social station. But, yeah. But because he's still a fucking dumb asshole, he doesn't realize that all the guys who have successfully done that, they still, you have to keep up the act, like a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, they actually, they even say it like
Starting point is 01:50:47 Barry was good at, like, securing a fortune, but not good at keeping it. The same quality as that compel a man to earn a fortune are often those what destined him to lose it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It reminds me, what's that great Connor O'Malley video where he's like, everyone's a bug? Oh, he's like, look at these fucking slums. And he falls in love with the woman.
Starting point is 01:51:07 Yeah, yeah. One of my favorite videos of all time. But that is, like, Barry is like, at this point in the film, he is like Connor O'Malley's character at the start of that, where it's just like, oh, yeah, all this. I see through your laws and politics. And it's like, okay, well, maybe don't announce that to everyone, Barry. It would be so funny if he started dressing like the Matrix. like sunglasses
Starting point is 01:51:29 every guy. Because like really it is such a good character thing because it's just like if he anyone who like
Starting point is 01:51:37 whose dad didn't get fucking smoked over a horse like they would have enough they would be like yeah
Starting point is 01:51:43 these rules are stupid and protect like property but you can exploit them but Barry is like
Starting point is 01:51:49 he's such a spiteful child that he's like oh by blowing smoke in my wife's face and just like
Starting point is 01:51:56 fucking immediately making an enemy out of Lord Bullington, I am like owning these rules. Yeah. When in fact he is spelling his own doom. Well, yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 01:52:07 Because like, because Barry thinks he's someone and he's like, I see through the all. Like, I'm seeing the ones in the zeros. Yeah. I've risen up from like
Starting point is 01:52:13 the lower gentry to like living in a castle. Like I've been Lyndon now. I've acquired the style and title. It's like, I see through it all. But what he doesn't realize in the second half of the movie
Starting point is 01:52:23 is that everyone sees through him. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, I could not be more transparent. Like his seven-year-old stepson sees through him immediately because like in the other carriage, it's Reverend Runt and the young Lord Bullington
Starting point is 01:52:34 who's like a seven or eight at this point and then like Reverend Rund's like, what, you don't like, you don't like your new father? And like the seven-year-old kid clocks him immediately. He's like, no. He's like, I think he's a common opportunist who doesn't love my mother even at even the slightest bit. I think that he's like,
Starting point is 01:52:50 I think that's Barry Lyndon that just married my mom. Yeah, yeah. I also love that, like, it's his failure to become a father at all to this, like, to this kid that kind of... Melancholic child. Yeah, that kind of spells his undoing. And he says, like, I've tried to be your friend. Like, it's a good later.
Starting point is 01:53:11 For real line taken for Ryan O'Neill's life, by the way. Yeah. I love, I also love, like, he is, like, this is his biggest beef is with, like, a child. It gets very funny This is his op Yeah It's very fucking funny But it's like
Starting point is 01:53:28 Yeah Lord Bullington sucks But it is so easy To get on a kid Like that's good side Yeah I mean now it's too easy Like just get him
Starting point is 01:53:37 The Catcher in the Rye or something Yeah For that kid That is like If they had jeans And T-shirts at this time That is like I have never seen a more
Starting point is 01:53:46 T-shirt Into his jeans type kid Than little Lord Bullington If you are in this situation now and you have a Bullington Stepson. Get him like, you know, the dumbest fucking Hitler biography you can find at the airport
Starting point is 01:54:00 bookstore. Get him like Hitler, the dictator of evil. I'm going to be like, I love history. But Barry could get him like a globe or something. I don't know what kind of gives you got these kids back then. A spy glass. Yeah, but he's such an idiot that he's like, oh,
Starting point is 01:54:16 why don't I teach you how to like steal a pussy in a village? Like all this stuff that he has no use war. Well, I mean, like, but like, the young Lord Bullington, like, does to Barry what Barry was doing with the people in, like, the first half of this movie, which is just insulted people out of nowhere and, like, start shit. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:54:33 Because, like, you know, like, Barry gets mad at, like, a seven-year-old because he won't kiss him on the cheek. And they're like, he's most like, like, Lord Bullington, you've insulted your father. And then the seven-year-old goes, ma'am, you insulted my father marrying this shit. Yeah. And then that's what, like, that's when Barry's, like, you know, To maintain appearances, he's like, can I have a word of a young Lord Bullington in the other room? And then he canes him like he's in the Prussian army.
Starting point is 01:54:59 Yeah. And it's like a weirdly sexual kind of like the motion of the kid against the like deaths and like very and the payoff of it like later on basically is like it's very like he's like humiliating the kid like in this like weird. He's like this sort of like ritualized performance of cruelty. Yeah. Yeah. this is very again why Ryan O'Neill's a perfect choice
Starting point is 01:55:26 the greatest anti-introspective character of all time okay how do I like keep this kid in line what's that institution I betrayed this second
Starting point is 01:55:37 I got a silver of an opportunity okay I'll use their techniques yeah I'm like you know he has his own son with the Countess Lyndon and like some time passes
Starting point is 01:55:47 and like Lord Bullington is now a young man played by Leon Vital and one of my favorite performances in this movie is the grown-up. He's very good. Oh, yeah. And Leon Vitale was Kubrick's long time, like, assistant.
Starting point is 01:55:58 Like, he first worked with him on this movie, and then he worked with them on every movie he made subsequent. And he is also the leader of the masked ball in Eyes Wide Shut. Oh, really? He never see his face, but that is his voice. That's cool. The kid who plays Brian Linden is, he became a techno musician and signed to R&S records in the 90s,
Starting point is 01:56:19 in the late 80s, early 90s. I'm like, that's fucking dope, dude. But, you know, like, there's a, they have a birthday party for, for Brian. And you see, like, the narrator lets you know that, like, over the years, Lord Bullington's hatred for his stepfather was matched only, was matched only in this intensity by his devotion to his mother. Yeah. And he's a real mother, mama's boy, like, who, like, despises his awful stepfather.
Starting point is 01:56:44 Yeah. And I love, I love that, like, even the mom is, like, this kid's a dud. Yeah, yeah. kid is like has bad vibes. But then like Barry brings his own mother to live with them. And Felix, he pointed this out like another like Mr. no self-awareness.
Starting point is 01:56:58 Like as someone who's like, oh, I've mastered society. I've made the come up. Yes, that was a mother explained to him that like, um, like you've gone really far in life.
Starting point is 01:57:07 Like you live splendidly. But like if your wife dies tomorrow, like you have nothing. Yeah. Yeah. And there's like a 100% chance of your wife dying like childbirth. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:57:18 Because like all of the, the title, like the estate, everything, the lands, the money, all the income that is accrued by being gentry, all of it will pass to Lord Bonington, who despises you. Yeah. Like, think about your, it's not like he's a commoner and he needs, like, you're gentry. Like, you should know this. Yeah. And you've spent a few years here.
Starting point is 01:57:38 Like, he's such a shithead. His mom needs to, like, come to work with it. Work is being in the castle. Yeah. And be like, hey, shithead, we'd, uh, we'd, uh, we'd, still we were still living in kind of mercantilism and there's still aristocracy
Starting point is 01:57:54 can you imagine that can you imagine if you were like 34 and you marry a woman who works at I don't know like open AI or some shit she makes all this money and you're you for the first time you have one of those weird workout things
Starting point is 01:58:11 that LeBron uses was a big flat TV with those like ropes those stupid things like people the billion dollars have you're doing that all day but you signed a pre-nup and your mom has to come live with you guys in your big stupid modern
Starting point is 01:58:27 architecture house in Miami and she's like you realize like you have to like keep fucking her yeah if she divorces you she's gonna take your workout TV she's gonna kick you out of here you're gonna live with me again and you're like oh no you have to get her birthday
Starting point is 01:58:43 and anniversary tattooed on you like momentum or else you're gonna forget it it's like yeah Barry all the barriers throughout history like caveman Barry's mom had to come to his cave and be like Barry we live in caveman times you have to keep hunting
Starting point is 01:58:57 he has to keep being reminded what period of history he's in his mom's left to know that like the only thing that will actually protect him and his son is a title is joining the peerage like being like a lord or a duke and this is where Barry begins like
Starting point is 01:59:12 one of the many great like failed side quest in this movie peerage quest yeah it's so fun money. Basically, his, like, this guy tells him, like, here's how you get a title. What you have to do is just, like,
Starting point is 01:59:26 give away all your money. You have to be, like, you have to become friends to the guy who's, like, really close to George the third. And, like, this is the Lord Wendover. And I love him, like, he's being introduced to the word Wendover. And Lord Wendover says of him and the people he knows or the people that he chooses. He's like, it's like,
Starting point is 01:59:44 the people I, like, people who associate with me are quite simply the best people. not in the sense that they are the most handsome, the wisest, or even good in any way. But what I mean about them is that there are people for whom there is simply no question. There is no question about them.
Starting point is 01:59:59 They are the right kind of people. So he begins to like, and like these guys must see like what a fucking sucker Barry is. And they're like, oh, like you're gonna have to like throw lavish parties and balls constantly. You have to buy all this land.
Starting point is 02:00:11 You have to purchase all these paintings. And I love the scenery as being shown these paintings. And he goes like, and like, this is the adoration of the mess. and Barry goes, I love what the artist has done with the color blue here. And I love the guy's response.
Starting point is 02:00:25 It's like, yes. Quite right. Yeah. Quite right. It is a good color. There's a great musicality to this movie. This is like Barry, this is real, this is some real contrapassos. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:00:39 This is, Barry is now in a 10th layer of hell where everyone he knows is him and the Marquis. and he's the asshole. Yeah. He's the guy who, like, is topping off Frederick the grave. Yeah. And he's just getting owned. He went up a tier in Rainbow Sixth siege
Starting point is 02:01:00 and now everyone's better than him. Yeah, no, that is exactly it. That is exactly it. Go, can you please fix my matchmaking? I'm getting owned here. Like, in service of his quest for title, like, he just, like, ruins the Linden Estate and plunges him into, like,
Starting point is 02:01:16 just like, an undembourged. payable debt forever, essentially. They will never make enough pussy. Lord Bullington, they could not sell his day. That dick is not worth shit. You can give that dick away. Yeah. Yeah. Another great piece of narration is like the camera is panning across this like huge table lit by candlelight. And it's just like, you know, huge like lavish dinner party. And the narrator says,
Starting point is 02:01:41 bribes were administered and in high places too. So near the royal person of his majesty that you would be astonished to know what great nobleman condescended to receive his loans no him yeah that guy stole money from barry linden and he's he's taken about like the true true upper crust of british society by lord wendova and there's i love the scene where he's in a receiving line and he meets king george the third yeah and it's like you know it's one of those things like there's a whole line and again another like geometric construction of people and these like sort of fake like artificial like social customs dictate like you know how your body and individual unless just like the king is going down the line and receiving all these
Starting point is 02:02:23 people it reminded me a veep but yeah yeah and like lord wendover like wonderful to see you again like and how is the lady and go wonderful sir and he's like oh like may i introduce barry linden like and they're like um like the like the king's body man goes lord linden just raised a regiment of men to cross the seas and fighting the colonies against the rebels against His Majesty's Royal Authority. And then King George looks at him and goes, good, good, raise another one and go with them.
Starting point is 02:02:51 Oh, man. Get the fuck out of my face, dude. Man, whoa. The British were never going to win that one. You were sending berries, guys. It's literally like, Lord Lyndon just sent a bunch of guys to the penal colony in Australia.
Starting point is 02:03:09 Good, you should go there too. You belong there. You're getting that. seem like just like the how remote he is from like actual power yeah and yeah mobility and like he like it's just like guys like him there's a million of them yeah there's a million of guys like this and like that's precisely what it means to someone like king george the third raise another company and go with them this is how you keep this thing going yeah for like finance capital yeah yeah is you have enough asshole strivers who will like, you know, trick their stable boys' 13-year-old son into going and
Starting point is 02:03:43 dying to a son of liberty. Yeah, they all die on the boat over. Yeah. Because there's not enough like hard tack for them to eat. And Barry's, Barry's peerage quest really just completely goes to ruin with an explosion of violence at his stepson, which is once again... He sequence broken. Yeah. Yeah. Which is once going to set it up again because Barry canes him, once again as an adult this time Yeah, it's so humiliating. That is, that is such a good central joke to this, by the way,
Starting point is 02:04:13 that it's like, okay, we're not Prussians. Like, it's one thing to cane a seven-year-old, but an adult? Yeah, yeah. That's not allowed. He even says the first time, like, I've never cain to Lord, but I will... I shall become accustomed to the practice if you fake me.
Starting point is 02:04:29 Yeah. Yeah. And then, but like, see, Lord Bullington, he certainly is a dud, because, like, Leon Vitale, like, he looks sickly. Like, he's sickly, miserable person. But, like, I mean, I don't know. I feel for him because of these horrible stuff. Oh, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 02:04:44 But Lord Bullington does stand up for himself, and he does it in quite, in great style by ruining his mom's music recital. Yeah, yeah. And it's another one of these things Barry has arranged for all of, like, the rich nobility and his friends to impress them. And his steps and ruins it by walking into the recital
Starting point is 02:04:59 while his mother is playing, like, the harpsichord. With Brian wearing his shoes. So they're clopping around. Yeah. And he says, like, doesn't he fit them well, mother? And, like, he causes this huge thing where, like, his mother rejects him. He's like, you know, like, I bore you as much love as any mother could, like, for someone like you.
Starting point is 02:05:18 And then, like, he in front of, like, all of high society just puts Barry on absolute blast. Yeah, he's like, the berries of Berryville. He's like, the illustrious blood of the berries of Berryville. And he's like, basically says, a great burn. No more. Like, he's like, I'll accept. Like, he's like, I cannot bear it to, like, to see this man. insult you and like like his it's not too so much his uh his thuggish behavior and his open swindling
Starting point is 02:05:40 of my family's fortune and properties but it is boorish and ungentleman like treatment of his ladyship of your ladyship himself with his open infidelity and just like this guy is a fraud a con artist a swindler who's like dogging you out constantly and like now beating me yeah yeah and then like and what i love is that in that moment lord bollington is the asshole who is broken every social custom. And if Barry had just kept his fucking powder dry, he would have, like, he would have been the good guy. Yeah, right, right.
Starting point is 02:06:12 But instead, he just blows up and out of nowhere, just beats the shit out of his stepson. And people's powdered wigs are flying everywhere. Women are screaming. He's just pummeling this poor asshole. Barry is, like, he is constantly, like, rolling bad spot checks. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 02:06:28 He's constantly rolling like a two. There are so many moments where it's like, okay, if you stop fucking up here, like you got it made. but he's like, like, Bear, I would love to see Barry's decision tree. Yeah, like his disco-alisi of, like, voice in his head. Like, and then, like, as the narrator says, if he had murdered Lord Bullington,
Starting point is 02:06:49 Barry could have scarcely been received with more coldness. I love the scene that follows this is so good. Okay, so yeah, it's like, Lord Wendover is going to eat at, like, the one restaurant that exists in England. Yeah, try the worst beast. And they're like, Lord. bully like you see lord of lord wendover come in they're like oh lord wendover wonderful let's see you again he's like will you be dining alone today and he's like yes just myself and they sit him down at a table
Starting point is 02:07:14 and then barry is like over in the corner and he comes over he's like lord windover it would honor me if like you just if you like i see you're here alone would you please join me and he goes oh i could barry it but i'm you see i'm meeting someone yeah and then he's just like oh no matter no matter like the lady linden and i are having some guests over like later we'd love it if you good a 10. He's like, well, I'll just check my schedule. But like, basically, at this moment, all of his highborn, like all the people he'd been bribing and trying to impress to get this peerage, just give him the high hat. He becomes like radioactive to them. He was just, he's social suicide forever. And he's like, the narrator says, a legend of his cruelty
Starting point is 02:07:56 to his stepson grew. Yeah. And all hard that he used to do in like 1760. Yeah. Yeah. And I love that like at that point too it's like all the like all the people he gave money to are basically like we're gonna need you to pay that right now like every single person all the creditors all like all the notices come like come do
Starting point is 02:08:17 at the same time yeah yeah I'm like he's just like trapped yeah I love his money man like it shows him like sweating he looks like dog shit you notice this the guy who plays the solicitor the guy who's present like the sort of Barry's end but like where
Starting point is 02:08:33 he has to sit there and just have his wife sign all of these notes to creditors. Yeah. And it's like the solicitor, do you recognize you plays this solicitor? No. It's the guy who plays Grady and The Shining. Oh, period. It's the guy who plays Grady, the former caretaker of the Overlook Hotel. He shares his thoughts in Jack Nicholson in a memorable red bathroom.
Starting point is 02:08:55 Yes. So, like, Barry, like, you know, like the beginnings of his complete collapse are, like, set. But like then the movie gives you like this little glimpse of Barry being a good guy where it's like this is where you can say anything you want about him but like to his own son he was like a very doting and devoted father. Yeah. These are really cute scenes. But like but it's not going to add well. Yeah. Like you know, it gives you the scene of like his son is just like, Papa like I want a horse for my birthday so I can ride with you on the hunt and he's like, oh, I don't know son. I don't know if you're old enough for a horse. Like you besides you have this
Starting point is 02:09:30 pony and he's like, but father, papa, please. I'm always. I'm I want a horse so bad. And the narrator is like, this kid's dead. The narrator tells you, like, you know, out of everything else you could say about Barry,
Starting point is 02:09:42 like, nobody could doubt, like, how loving and devoted he was to his son. And, like, innumerable were the high hopes that he had for this child. But unfortunately,
Starting point is 02:09:50 as fate would turn out, he would leave this life, like, Barry, like, like, none of his race would survive. and he would leave,
Starting point is 02:09:56 leave this life penniless. It's like, at that point, like, like, oh, fuck. Like, yeah.
Starting point is 02:10:01 Like, yeah. So, like, once again, like, He's doomed by the good things he does. He buys his son a horse for his birthday. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:10:09 What does this send do? He sneaks off and tries to ride it before he's ready, gets thrown from it, like smashes his head on a rock and then spends two days dying. Yeah. Which is, by the way, sneaking off, that is such a berry thing to do. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, again, again, he's so close.
Starting point is 02:10:25 Like, if you, if you raised a kid who has enough berry in him, like enough, like, enough like lying and fighting ability but you tutor him correctly he grows up in a castle he's smart enough to know like oh if I'm in this situation I won't abuse the steps on I'll go outside of
Starting point is 02:10:45 the carriage to smoke my huge pipe that at least like Barry waits 20 years his son sells dick they've got a maid yeah but because Barry again lacks any introspection he's like what would I do
Starting point is 02:11:01 if someone got me like a bit like a really cool like a charger when I was a boy oh I'd fucking crack my skull open yeah yeah it's good no one gave me I'd drive it into a wall yeah yeah good no one gave me one of those when I was seven I'd kill myself trying to drift yeah yeah yeah but of course yeah no this is this was Barry's last it was his last the last good thing in his life and also like kind of his last like the last rung on the ladder you could grab on to. Yeah. Is the idea that, like,
Starting point is 02:11:33 he raises a son who, like, he's like, here's how to gamble. I'm going to teach you sword fighting. Like, his son would be a cool guy. His son would have been awesome. Yeah. His son would have been fucking awesome.
Starting point is 02:11:44 His son would have succeeded all the places Barry failed. Yeah. Instead, bang. Yeah. Yeah. It's his,
Starting point is 02:11:53 he goes out Paul Walker style. Yeah, yeah. I say, you, you compared this movie or Ryan O'Neill in it. If this movie were made in the 2000s,
Starting point is 02:12:03 Cooper could have cast Paul Walker. Oh, that would have been brilliant. That would have been so brilliant. Oh, my God. If you, the Paul Walker version of this movie, it has to be in America, right?
Starting point is 02:12:14 And I think, like, something, like, post-war of 1812 America. Yeah. Man, that's a good fucking move. Can we bring Kubrick back and Paul Walker back to life? I'd love to see that movie. Paul Walker is Pierre and Melville Pierre.
Starting point is 02:12:28 Yeah. Yeah. And he's like, oh god that'd be honest so yeah like now barry like his son is dead all he has his debts and he just like lets himself go to drink
Starting point is 02:12:39 he turns over like the affairs at the house to his mother who fires the reverend runt I love this scene where she fires Reverend runt he she like Barry's mom is sort of to me the hero of this movie yeah she failed she fucked up
Starting point is 02:12:54 like she did her best Barry's kind of a dumb dumb but like the scene with her and what we're run. It's like, I want to keep doing my creepy shit. I want to make the mom to wear black all the time.
Starting point is 02:13:06 He goes, I would gladly forego my wages, but certainly, as you must understand, like, I could not leave Lady Lyndon in her current state. By the way, we also just seen like,
Starting point is 02:13:14 another one of the only handheld scenes in this movie is when Lady Lyndon tries to kill herself. Yeah. We don't see her trying to kill herself. We just see her, like, writhing and agony. And then you get, again,
Starting point is 02:13:23 the very dry, sardonic narration. In the midst of these great perplexities, her ladyship made an attempt to kill herself by taking poison. Though she succeeded only in making herself very ill due to the very small amount she ingested.
Starting point is 02:13:34 Yeah, she took, she took an Advil. Rising in agony. Yeah. And it's just like, it's like, heartbreaking,
Starting point is 02:13:41 but it's treated like so coldly. Yeah. In light of the perplexity. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, yeah. What a cruelly written.
Starting point is 02:13:50 Yeah. And like, it's like making fun of her. Like, she didn't, she wasn't going to do it. Yeah, she didn't take enough poison
Starting point is 02:13:56 to kill herself. But just always, just calling, like, The squandering of your fortune, the ruining of your life, the death of your son, the son you actually like. Yeah. You're like, oh, these perplexities. Confusing weekend.
Starting point is 02:14:10 But Reverend runs like, I can't possibly leave the lady in her current state. Barry's mother, like a G, says, he's like, Reverend, it might shock you to learn this. But it is, in fact, you were the cause of her current city. Yeah, yeah. Keeping her in this, like, catatonic, religious madness. It's so sad. Brian, you know. luckily Barry would have
Starting point is 02:14:31 like if Brian he never gets a horse Barry would around like what gets something gets invented around 1780 Barry gets obsessed with like lazy suses yeah so he's off trying to find out of Brian Brian gets raised by the mom
Starting point is 02:14:48 who kind of has their head on her shoulders Brian is like going to uplift this family out of pot like Brian changes the course of history I'm pretty sure yeah yeah Brian Brian is Goated. He becomes George Washington. Yeah. Brian probably makes England Marxist.
Starting point is 02:15:05 If he just if Barry's mom just raises him, not even raises it, just is around. Because Barry's mom is the only person in that entire household who, like, has any fucking sense at all. But she is, like, wrong about a lot of stuff.
Starting point is 02:15:22 She made Barry. She made Barry. She's not perfect. But, like, she's the closest to right. Yeah. she has the right ideas. And of course, by firing the Reverend Runt, he reaches out, of course, to Lord Bullington,
Starting point is 02:15:37 who is like, since, like, you know, after his huge blowup, he says, like, like, I'm going to leave and never
Starting point is 02:15:42 return as long as this asshole is alive. Like, and this society that I detest as though it were the plague. So he is like, he is left because he can't bear, because I can't chastise this ruffian, but I can't bear to live under,
Starting point is 02:15:54 around him and seem to degrade my mother the way he does. So he, like, no, reaches out to Lord Bullington. And Lord Bullington is like, I love this because he's like basically like, he's like,
Starting point is 02:16:06 if I had killed my mother, if she had died, it would be like as bad as me killing her myself. Because like my, just leaving like, I might as well have killed her. Yeah. And he's like,
Starting point is 02:16:15 I love you also. He says, my friends all feigned sympathy, but behind my back, I know I am despised and quite rightly so. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 02:16:22 Because of like like the state of dishonor that he's allowed his house to fall in. And we get like to the climax of this movie. where Lord Bullington is like, I simply know there's only one thing I can do. Yeah. And he walks into like the brothel
Starting point is 02:16:35 where Barry Lyndon is like currently passed out and they're like, you know, is Sir Lyndon, is Barry Lyndon here and they're like, yeah,
Starting point is 02:16:42 he's passed out in the back. And like, he walks in and he demands satisfaction. And we get the climactic duel of this movie. It's amazing. I love this name. It took,
Starting point is 02:16:53 I think it took them 70 days to shoot this thing. Oh my God. Kubrick is, he's a madman. Kubrick put everyone through fucking Abu Ghraib. He's a maniac. But like you can't argue with the results.
Starting point is 02:17:06 No, you cannot. Once again, you hear the sort of like the building of Handel's seravant and you hear like the sort of the procession. Like it's thrilling. And once again like you get a scene of like immaculate courtesy
Starting point is 02:17:20 in a ritual of like cruelty and violence. And like so he is challenged and like now as Hesse, as you pointed out, the they've nerfed the original dueling stats where you fire at the same time and I don't know for whatever reason now it's like you take turns and it's decided on a coin flip yeah and bullington wins the coin toss so he gets to shoot first so you just have to stand there and they say uh you know mr linden are you ready to receive fire from yeah lord bullington and he's saying there and like
Starting point is 02:17:53 they're like gentlemen cock your pistols and the lord bullington like a complete asshole Cox's pistol and it goes off. Yeah. Before he's even ready to fire. He did not plan for this. And he's literally, he's like, Oh, it's like, my younger brother had the controller.
Starting point is 02:18:08 Yeah, yeah. And to the guy, like, adjudicating this matter of honor, I love this scene because he's like, he's like, one of the pistols must be like, you know, like must have fired an error. So like, I'll need another pistol. And they go, yes, but first you have to receive fire.
Starting point is 02:18:23 And he realizes that like, he's like, that was his shot. Yeah. And now, like, he was thinking, like, oh, I won the coin toss. I got this in the bag. Yeah. Then, like, an asshole, his gun goes off and they're like, that was your shot. You'll get another pistol after you receive Mr. Lyndon's fire.
Starting point is 02:18:40 Yeah. And it's like, you know, he knows who his step bad is. He spent time in the pressing military. He's like, he doesn't know how to fucking shoot people. Yeah, yeah. And here is, like, Barry's ultimate undoing and, like, the ultimate irony of this movie. Because Barry has every reason to kill this bitch fucking asshole. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:18:57 What does he do? He purposely fires away. He fires into the ground. He fires into the ground. And it's amazing like the birds fly up too. Yeah, they're like John Wu, pigeons are flying around. Yeah. The duel is in like a barn.
Starting point is 02:19:09 And it's like, it's just like the precision of the way this scene is shot and the sort of like, like, like I said, like the courtesy of this like ritual of absolute barbarity. We're like a father and a step, like a stepfather, like have to shoot guns at each other like five yards away like into their fucking. And to just stand there while your stepdad draws a bead on you. And it is so emblematic of Barry, too. Not just like, we've talked about like how when he's acting cynically, if he just like was, you know, 10% put 10% more of a fucking facade on it you get so far. But also when he acts good, he doesn't realize, he doesn't realize that like, no, your entire life comes before this moment.
Starting point is 02:19:57 Yeah. And like you can get inside his head enough to go, okay, he's probably thinking, okay, I fucking blew all this kid's money to become a peer. I fucked it up really. I did not even come close. I fucked it up badly. His mom, she's going to be blue from drinking some fucked up poison all the time. His life is, I fucked everyone's life up. My son's dead. Everything sucks.
Starting point is 02:20:23 But if I like kill this kid, like that's too far for me. Yeah. And he's kind of right. He's like, I'm the dad that stepped up in this moment. But it is, but what he doesn't realize is like, well,
Starting point is 02:20:34 you've come this far. Like, you might as well. Yeah. You might as fucking well. Because it's like, or he's like, if you did all that other shit,
Starting point is 02:20:43 you might as well or just, like pointing at your own head, you know? And like literally he's like, I think in his mind he's like, I'm going to die right here. And, but he neglects that this kid is such a dud
Starting point is 02:20:54 that he shoots him in a leg. No, I think he knew Bolington was going to fuck it up. Like, he knew, Boeington was dead. Well, because, like, after he fires purposely, purposefully fires away, like, the adjudicator of the duel is like, Lord Blington, like, in light of Mr. Linn,
Starting point is 02:21:11 Mr. Barry's, you know, decision to fire away, you consider the matter resolved honorably. You have satisfaction. Lord Bullington swallows looks up and, like, stirs himself up and goes, no. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 02:21:25 And then he gets another shot. shot, he shoots Barry in the fucking leg. And like, he just... I love when the doctor's looking at the leg, he's like... Yeah. It's definitely a bullet in there. He's fucking, like, a ball in ancient diameter. It's like a grape-sized ball of lead in his shin.
Starting point is 02:21:46 Yeah. Like, he's like, in writhing in agony, the doctor's looking at him. He's like, just a little bit more now. I'm almost done with my examination. And he goes, I'm sorry to tell you this, but you're going to lose the... the leg probably because like, what else can they fucking do?
Starting point is 02:22:01 And they're like, and Barry goes, why? And the doctor goes to save your life. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Barry ends up,
Starting point is 02:22:09 like with his mother at like a carriage house missing a leg. Oh. And like the solicitor shows up, Grady from the shining and lets him know that like, Lord Bullington's, he's taken everything,
Starting point is 02:22:20 but he's willing to offer you like 200 a year provided you 500 a year, a newty for the rest of your life. provided you leave England and never returned. Yeah, yeah. For a one-legged gambler, one-third the price of the best pussy in Barryville. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 02:22:36 That's not bad. That's not pretty good. And then like, as you see him... He started with 20. Yeah, that's true. As you see him hobble out, helped by his mother to the carriage, he hit the last,
Starting point is 02:22:47 the ending of the last narration of the movie. Utterly baffled and beaten. What was a lonely and broken-hearted man to do? Barry took the annuity and returned to Ireland with his mother to complete his recovery. Sometime later he traveled to the continent. His life there, we have not the means of following accurately, but he appears to resumed his former profession of a gambler without his former success. He never saw Lady Lyndon again.
Starting point is 02:23:11 And it's very interesting. As he gets into the carriage, the last we see of Barry, it's a freeze frame. We don't see it. We see him from behind his face. Like all the masks he's worn are now gone. And the camera freezes. and it's like the ultimate moment of cruelty in this movie, I think.
Starting point is 02:23:26 Is that like the only free, like it freezes frame and it freezes on a moment and Barry were like he's no longer, everything has been stripped from him, but like he's being helped into the carriage with missing a leg and it's in a moment of absolute helplessness.
Starting point is 02:23:40 Yeah. That the movie freezes on and that's the last we see of Barry. And then the last scene we get in the movie of now Lord Bullington in Barry's position, but he's right back where Barry was waiting for his mom to sign letters to credit. And then Lady Lyndon pauses on the one that's a note to a bank instructing them to pay an annuity of $500 to Redmond Barry.
Starting point is 02:24:03 And she pauses there and they look at each other and then the end. And we get the epilogue, the final note of the movie, which I think sums everything up. It was in the reign of George III that the aforesaid person who just lived and quarreled. Good or bad, handsome or ugly, rich or poor. they are all equal now. Yeah. And that's what, like, the ending of this movie
Starting point is 02:24:26 like hits like a fucking Mac truck to me because like, you spend like three and a half hours with Barry. Like you try to like understand him. Like you feel, despite what an asshole he is, like you feel such empathy for him.
Starting point is 02:24:36 Yeah. And like, what I love about this is that it situates you, the viewer, like, and any movie that takes place in the past, it's like what you said about how this movie does away
Starting point is 02:24:45 with suspense. It acknowledges that like all this has already happened. Everyone you're watching is dead. there's nothing that could happen in this movie that will alter the course of their lives. Good or bad, handsome or ugly, they are all equal now.
Starting point is 02:24:57 And it's like saying to you, like, everything that you've just like seen the life of this one person that like, like to him, like to all of us, you are the main character in this story. Nothing matters more to you than what you think of as your life and your individuality.
Starting point is 02:25:11 But ultimately, what does it mean? Nothing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like that we are all equal now. That is the only thing that the degree egliser is death. and that's just eternity. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:25:22 And that's what I find not cold, but so human about this movie, is that, like, really, like, we are all Barry Lyndon in a way. Like, not in the specifics, but I think, like, everybody has this certain combination of, like, vanity or selfishness or just sort of a lack of self-awareness to varying degrees that raise us or doom us to varying degrees. But the point is everyone thinks that they, that their life story is the most important story.
Starting point is 02:25:48 and that like everyone every extra in this movie like every person you see on or off screen it's just another Redmond Barry Yeah like all of our lives are exactly like that Yeah And then like if he's not special And if you focus on any one of them
Starting point is 02:26:03 It's fascinating But at the end of the day Like it meet we are as unknowable to ourselves As we are to everyone else Yeah No matter like no matter How good or bad of a person you are Like that's not the point
Starting point is 02:26:17 except for like, you know, the odd outlier case here or there. If you have ever like plotted on something in your life, if you have ever, if you have ever schemed for even like a cookie in a jar you're not supposed to reach, you are Barry Lyndon. Yeah. If even just for one moment, we are all him because we have all strived to become something greater than ourselves, whether it is in the material sense like we see in this movie or in a spiritual sense or whatever
Starting point is 02:26:47 and we have all tried and failed to reach it because you just don't know what you don't know. Yeah. Until it's too late. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think there is a movie
Starting point is 02:27:03 that is so I'm obviously not a historian but so dedicated towards at least aesthetically portraying its time period accurately. Yeah. The costumes and details in this movie.
Starting point is 02:27:16 Here's another fact about this movie. Not a single set was utilized in this movie. Right. Yeah. All of the interiors in the movie were filmed in actual castles and estates. There is not a movie that they've dedicated so many resources to like historical fidelity where I have felt such a connection to every single character. Like I, Barry is such an asshole, but every, like even with the lack of suspense, when he fucking meets Lady Lyndon. I'm like,
Starting point is 02:27:46 let's go. Yeah. Barry, don't fuck this up. It's like Sharon Stone and De Niro meeting a casino. Yeah. Every, like, that is, that, that, that, um, the great montage, the great gambling and fighting montage, you want to live in that forever.
Starting point is 02:28:02 Yeah. Just like how you, you know, not just if you, if you have, if you have fucked up, you are Barry Lyndon. Yeah. Just like how you want to, you, you lionize. in the best period of your life, you want to live in that forever, even though you know you can't.
Starting point is 02:28:18 This is, yeah, I, I, going back to what we were talking about earlier, I get why people are, even if they admit that Kubrick is a fantastic filmmaker, they find his movies like too uncomfortable or harsh on the human condition. But it just, I don't, I don't think you can make a movie like this that hits this hard without, like, maybe you hate humanity, but you can't hate something like this without loving it too. Yeah. Because it's like, on the one hand,
Starting point is 02:28:48 it is kind of cruel and cold to like, you invest so much and we care so much about Barry and his trials and tribulations, ultimately to make the point that like it doesn't matter. Right, right. But the thing is like his life doesn't matter any more or less than your own does. Exactly.
Starting point is 02:29:02 Because we all belabor under the illusion like of this very subjective experience of consciousness and like the brief period we have of our life and our memories of it, that we are somebody and that that story matters. And it matters to us, but like,
Starting point is 02:29:15 by showing you, like, by recreating every conceivable detail of, like, the clothes, the sounds, like the, the appearance of life
Starting point is 02:29:24 in 18th century is to say, like, it gives you, like, this God's eye view. You're seeing everything, but do you really know
Starting point is 02:29:31 these characters any more or less because of it? No, because like, the world that they existed, and indeed their lives themselves are all totally gone now.
Starting point is 02:29:39 Yeah. Just like the world, the world that we're living in right now will also be gone once in... Yeah. Yeah. And like I said, I think, like... He has a, like, a jaundiced view of human beings and, like, a very cynical look...
Starting point is 02:29:52 A very cynical view of, like, human civilization and, like, this thin, thin sort of algae of what we think of as, like, civilization. Yeah. Of, like, civilized behavior. And, like, you know, not being animals. That, like, covers, like, you know, are, you know, as Reverend Run says,
Starting point is 02:30:09 are beastial, carnal nature. But at the same time, it's like, it's the tragedy of every individual, like, imagining themselves as somebody, even though, like, we are the same to everyone else as everyone else is to us. Yeah. That there is, like, as they said,
Starting point is 02:30:24 like they are all equal now. There's an equality in that, and that's what unites us as human beings. Is this kind of, like, our tragic sense of individuality in the sense that, like, often, like, when we think we are most rebelling against the patterns or rituals that society is laid out for us,
Starting point is 02:30:39 is in fact when we are most fulfilling them. Yeah, absolutely. It's a great flick. And I think that's a theme that you can apply to many of Kubrick's other movies as well. Absolutely. Like Cockworth Orange. Eyes wide shut.
Starting point is 02:30:52 I think of Private Joker and Full Metal Jacket where he has like the peace symbol on his helmet. Yeah. I was like, how do you have that and born to kill? And he's like, I'm thinking about the youngian thing, sir. Throughout the entire movie like in Paris Island to Way City, Joker imagines himself that like he's the rebel. Like he's like Barry.
Starting point is 02:31:09 he's like, oh, I see through the Marines, and I'm like, I'm the cynical actor here, but like in the final moment of the movement, we're like, an act of mercy where he cold-bloodedly kills a teenage Vietnamese girl, you realize that like, that's what the Marines want from him. Yeah. Is they want all Marines to think of themselves as secret rebels against the Marines because that's what makes them such effective killers. Yeah, it's Kilgore also from Apocalypse Now. It's like a similar thing to that.
Starting point is 02:31:35 Yeah. I as much as like wholeheartedly agree with that idea that like there is there is like some horror to that the idea that like they are all equal now and that in the blink of a cosmic eye that will be true about us yeah I think that I don't think it's
Starting point is 02:31:56 horrifying at all like it depends it depends if you're like you need to go to the bank tomorrow I'm like I'll be dead soon no but I mean like not horrifying is the word, but like I guess people could interpret this as like anti-human, right? Going back to this theme of like,
Starting point is 02:32:15 is Kubrick anti-human or does he hate humanity when you know that you cannot hate something without loving it first? I think at the same time is that being true. Like that, you know, just you can recreate these things, this saltifying level of detail and spend just an enormous amount of resources
Starting point is 02:32:40 recreating like the sights and sounds and stealing a fucking lens from NASA so you can light it all with candle and ultimately your point is like this guy's life is just it might as well not have happened but at the same time there is an eternal truth
Starting point is 02:32:58 to the beauty of these individual images and there is an eternal joy in these moments and an eternal pain in them. And if that is all there is, just the fact that it happened, that is enough for it to be documented. And like I said earlier that like all of Kubrick's movies, I like, I think for them to really make sense, you have to understand them as like black comedies or like, or tragic comedies. And I think someone who truly did have like a purely cynical view of human beings would only
Starting point is 02:33:26 show tragedy. Yeah. Yeah. Like like you like to show the absurdity and like the humor in all of the tragedy of life, I think you have to understand what makes life worth living or what makes human human beings special in some way. It's the ironic. No, that is the ironic thing about that. It is while showing like the the cruelest, most adivistic, most animal
Starting point is 02:33:47 like features of humanity, Kubrick shows what does truly make humanity special. Our ability to reflect on that and achieve if not a higher state of mind, at least a higher self-reflection of that recognition.
Starting point is 02:34:03 Yeah, absolutely. So, yeah, there we go. That's Barry. That's Barry. All movies are equal now. Honestly, all movies, in my opinion, all movies are equal in so much as that they're not Barry Lyndon. Yeah. A movie that really does stand apart for me is like one of the two masterpieces of cinema and one of the great like just works of art.
Starting point is 02:34:26 Pieces of art ever created. Yeah. There is nothing I could compare to that. There is absolute, not even among Cooper. movies. There's anything compared to this. The closest point of comparison I can draw and it's like a weak one at that
Starting point is 02:34:41 because it's doing something completely different is the draftsman's contract, the Peter Greenaway movie which is I love that. I highly recommend that for anyone who watches Barry Lyndon and is like what if they were like what if it was more evil? What if it was made by someone who genuinely
Starting point is 02:34:58 hates people? They're all totally dog shit. which I think that one fits the bill. That's a great flick. But of course, it's no Barry Lyndon. There's only one Barry. Just give yourself over to this movie. And I think you will be astonished.
Starting point is 02:35:16 Like how quickly it just hypnotizes you and pulls you in and immerses you so thoroughly in the period that it's trying to portray. The power of the images themselves, like I said, every single frame of this movie looks like an oil painting. but like you think about a movie like that and you think like oh it's like it's so dry and like the way people talk is like so mannered but like the thing is like once you understand the humor of this movie everything comes alive yeah yeah truly yeah and you really do not need to be like a student of you know 18th century no because the narrator tells you like the history actually doesn't matter yeah exactly if you have like just any intuitive ability at all you will completely fall in love with this movie and fall into the rhythm of it yeah you will get you will get you get lost in it. Yeah, it's like a trance. It puts you in a trance with it's like, you know. I think it speaks to like his, like I said, his just uncanny ability as a director. And I think this movie represents more perfectly to me like Stanley Kubrick as like what his artistic vision was really about.
Starting point is 02:36:19 Yeah, absolutely. All right. That does it. For this one, that was Barry Lyndon. Pleasure to kick off the season of movie mindset with Felix and another one of the Will Minnaker Canon, really. Like my mind. the casino in this one now. I would hazard that like those two movies are like two films that have had more of an impact on my life and like that I return to again and again and again as these kind of like text that speak to me about everything.
Starting point is 02:36:46 Yeah, everything about life. Absolutely. I was actually really surprised. I was excited to do this episode. I had not seen this movie actually. I was really surprised that you asked me to do this movie just because I had never I think it's like it could have been a risk,
Starting point is 02:37:04 but like I know you were enough to know Felix. I knew that you hadn't seen it and I knew that you would love it. You were right. You were totally right. This is, I mean, I am so glad. If, like, not just because I don't know if I would, I would have seen this eventually, but I had gone too long not seeing it. But, um, I don't know.
Starting point is 02:37:26 Like I knew I knew I'd like it. I'd seen clips of it and thought, oh, that's an amazing looking. I've never seen anything that looks like that. But I did not expect it to just be as, I don't even think affecting is the right word, but it just, it reaches this emotionally resonant. No, no, not even that,
Starting point is 02:37:43 just this mental pantheon, I guess, with the fifth season of Sopranos, where not necessarily, I mean, yes, in the case of Barry Lyndon, where yes, it is like, you know, one of the paramount movies that I've ever seen,
Starting point is 02:37:59 but also just, again, this perfect audio, visual performance confluence that... A world that you can live in for a while. Yes, exactly. In the same way that, like, you know, I get, you can read, you know, as one of the points of this movie just being like, the eternal fact of these moments or these stretches of time in your life, this movie, it is like, it is almost like indirectly accessing those own,
Starting point is 02:38:30 those moments in your own life just by the vivid portrayal of this could be like Barry's deathbed recollection just by just by how vividly it is portrayed in this movie I am so glad that you we did this yeah this is one of those movies that really gives you like an artistic emotional experience unlike anything else there are no other movies that really
Starting point is 02:38:56 are like this movie Yeah. Look like this movie that, like, that conjured, like, such a specific and singular feeling the way this movie does. Yeah. I, like, the only thing, I love the movie tree of life,
Starting point is 02:39:10 but it's just, it's not the same thing. It's not even close. Yeah. It's not even, like, on a surface level, I would think, okay, they approach similar ideas, but not really. This is, like,
Starting point is 02:39:21 this strikes at a more, like, central truth to human existence, I feel. All right. That's it. I hope you enjoyed the inaugural episode of Moving Mindset this season. Stick with us. We've got some more bangers coming for you. So until next time, keep watching those movies.

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