Chapo Trap House - Movie Mindset #48 - Barry Lyndon
Episode Date: October 14, 2026Greetings Minders, Will here, and to kick off this season, I wanted to do another one-movie episode with Felix like we did last year with CASINO, and I knew I wanted it to be another movie that has ca...st a long shadow over both my personal mind palace and the chapo extended universe. I wanted it to be another movie that I could easily count as both “my favorite movie of all time” as well as argue that it is “the best movie of all time” *and* I wanted it to be a movie Felix had never seen. And there is only one film that fits that bill, Stanley Kubrick’s masterpiece BARRY LYNDON. Travel back to the 18th century, take ten paces, cock your pistols, aim, fire and witness the rise and fall of an Irish asshole. Good or bad, handsome or ugly, rich or poor, we will all be equal soon. As with all our miniseries, this first episode of the season is free on all platforms. All subsequent eps will be available exclusively at patreon.com/chapotraphouse
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Hello movie fans
I'm here to announce
The movies are back
And Hessa and I are pleased
To give you another season
Of movie mindset
And we're kicking things off
this season exactly like we kicked off last season.
One movie, one guest.
Period.
That guest, Felix Pederman.
And we're doing casino again.
We just have to talk about it again.
We just do a cover of that episode word for word.
No, by way of introducing the inaugural movie for this season of movie mindset, Hesse,
have you brought my pistols?
Now, Felix says, I'm the challenging party here.
you may select the,
you choose from which of the two pistols
you'd like to use Hesel.
I will second,
but you can choose his pistol if you wish.
Catherine, my girlfriend,
she's acting as Felix's second.
Yeah, I already don't like these odds.
I will take,
I'll take the commemorative
pistol
that you bid on this on eBay.
I remember, we were both at the auction.
It was a commemorative dueling pistol
made as merchandise
for Brian De Palma's snake eyes.
Oh, very good.
And it has all the characters from a movie on it.
I really like that movie.
And then, Will's Pistol is the Trump Desert Eagle then.
Yeah.
That would be, if we still had Pistol,
that's like what the Trump family would do.
They would be,
they would, like, give you just like a Flint-like pistol
and they would take like a semi-automatic.
Yeah, yeah.
Like in 1911.
Okay, concept for a movie.
It's called the time-traveling duelists.
Yo.
It's like, you go back in time.
That's Highlander.
You go back in time.
times like the 18th century and you're just like slapping men with silk gloves and they're like,
I demand satisfaction, sir. And then you show up with the Desert Eagle 50 cow. And they're like,
no, I brought my own. We're good. Or so back 10? No, no. Honestly, I would rather shoot. We, when was,
we were in Vegas? In Vegas, yeah. During the 2020 primary tour where it was, we were on the road for like
four or five months and we all went insane just because it's like too long to do a fucking
door. We went to
shoot and we went to that
fucking insane. They have a bunch of these places in
Vegas, places where it's like, oh, you can shoot an
ICBM if you pay money.
And we shot like a bear at 50 cal.
We shot all this shit. But I shot,
I think we both shot a Desert Eagle.
And I was like,
what the fuck is the point of this thing?
Like, you can't hit anything.
It's so fucking impossible to
and like I know pistols are hard to aim
with, but I've shot like
Glock's in 1911s and like
done okay, gotten reasonably good.
I don't know how anyone has ever hit a fucking thing with it as an eagle that isn't like point
blank.
Like it might actually be better to use one of the pistols from this movie.
I don't know.
I mean like in the rules of dueling, it's 10 paces.
Yeah.
10.
I think I could fucking turn someone inside out at 10 pages.
Yeah, yeah.
10 paces and think how short people were back then.
Yeah.
That's not, that's probably less than 10 v.
Shooting the ground at the end and everyone in the room goes death.
Yeah, you rock a jump.
I remember about the Desert Eagle is that even with the
fucking, the ear protectors on, it is
frighteningly loud.
It hurts to pull the trigger on it.
What a stupid gun.
I mean, it's pretty awesome, but it is
fucking dumb.
Well, this is a long introduction to the movie,
our inaugural movie.
Last year, we did Martin Scorsese's casino.
A movie that I've long heralded as one of my
favorites, one of the greatest masterpieces of all
time.
I'm moving on to kick off this season
of movie mindset with another movie
that I've long championed as
both probably my favorite movie
ever made but also like I would say
one of the greatest movies
ever made a masterpiece
and we were talking about from Stanley Kubrick
from 1975
Barry Lyndon
How much money you got a lot
How many problems you got a lot
How many people and doubted
A lot left you out of riot a lot
How many prey did you flop a lot
How many lawyers you got a lot
How many times you got shot
A lot.
How many niggas you shot?
A lot.
How many times did you ride?
A lot.
How many times did you cheat?
A lot.
How many times did you lie?
A lot.
How many times did she leave?
A lot.
How many times do she leave?
In character as characters from Barry Lyndon.
I'm Lord Bullington.
I'll be playing Lord Bullington.
I call the British guy from the beginning.
Captain Quinn?
Yes.
Captain Quinn.
Madam I have born a bonus.
long as I could bear the instrument of this Irish upstart you've taken into your bed.
I love, I love that the Barry's like family, his cousins are just as like shifty.
Like liars as him and they're just like going to Captain Quinn like, listen, our cousin Barry, he's real keen on your wife there.
But we have, we've got a plan.
He's like, oh my God, Irish people are crazy.
What the fuck?
I don't get, no, Barry fine.
I don't want to get too far ahead of the arts.
ourselves but like isn't that the worst dear john letter of alter that's not even a dear john letter
like oh yeah we all conspired like your family conspired to like get you out of there because
you're so annoying and you'll you'll never make 1500 yeah you'll never make that much ever
money amounts in this are so confusing when it's like he's 1500 a year louis door yeah the louis door
the frederick door which i don't know if it's worth less or something he gets two
for like bravery in war.
He gets like fucking two pieces of gold.
I want to begin by saying,
so yeah, we did Martin Sorsese's Casino,
and I'd like to begin our discussion of Barry Lyndon
with this quote from Martin Scorsese about Barry Lyndon,
which I think gets to the heart of like,
this sort of like, eerie and hard to quantify,
like power, pacing, and style of this movie,
which are so unique.
And he says here,
I'm not sure if I can say that if I have a favorite Kubrick picture,
but somehow I keep coming back to Barry.
Linden. I think that's because it's such a profoundly emotional experience. The emotion is conveyed
to the movement of the camera, the slowness of the pace, the way the characters move in relation
to their surroundings. People didn't get it when it came out. Many still don't. Basically, in one
exquisitely beautiful image after another, you're watching the progress of a man as he moves
from the purest innocence to the coldest sophistication, ending in absolute bitterness. And it's
all a matter of simple elemental survival. It's a terrifying film because all of the candlelit
beauty is nothing but a veil over the worst cruelty.
Yes, the epilogue, the amazing epilogue, where it's like, and Barry Lyndon went on to
found the United States of America and changed his name to George Washington.
And what I think that captures here is that like, this, like, and this is sort of like
the hardest Kubrick movie.
Like, you know, it's the most sort of, it seems the most distant and the coldest because I
think it like both with like every frame you know to talk about like every shot of painting every
shot of this movie looks like the paintings that is the william hogarth paintings it looks like an
oil painting yeah the way it's lit like using only like uh like uh using candle light only for
the way they talk like and move even so i know you i know people don't talk or move in oil
paintings but if they did it would look like very linden it would look like very linden something
that really struck me with this was how many scenes uh
How many scenes they just let you sit in silence and don't, this really lends itself to the idea that every, every frame is a painting, how few cuts there are.
Like I was thinking the first scene where Barry meets the Marquise.
Yeah.
And how.
The Chevalier.
Yeah.
The Chevalier, yeah.
How, like, it's not, you wouldn't call it like a slow or boring scene.
And in fact, there is just like every other scene in this movie pretty much.
there's narration telling you exactly what is about to happen before it happens, which I think is
like an amazing stylistic choice.
By the way, the narration to me is like the key to this movie.
It's this very dry and very sardonic and very like ironic narration that's like a, from a
God's point of view over like these people who, where they lived and fought,
Carl, and died.
They're all equal now.
But that is like in the novel that this is based on, it's a first person narration by Barry.
And he's like a stereotypical unreliable first person narrator.
The narration in the film that gives you the audience,
like the perspective of God on this guy's life.
And like you said, like does away with like the traditional notion of suspense by basically
telling you exactly what's going to happen.
And like that makes it all the more unbearable because you know what's coming.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, this is, I mean, any, I think like a three year old could tell you like, oh, this
movie's about fate.
but on a on a deeper level
I can't think of any movie like that
like there are movies where
they play with suspense
they don't do it in a typical way
that a movie does it but not in like
every major plot point is told
to you by this like
I guess like if God was kind of a bitchy queen
that's what the narrator is
if God was
Gideon Othnear
Yeah
Yeah
Yeah
But like just going back to that
That first scene where he meets the Marquis
And you know what's going to happen
And even if the narration wasn't there
You do also kind of know what's going to happen
Because of what his shithead Barry is
Yeah every single person he enters a room with
Who's older than him
He's like, that's my dad
Yeah yeah
That's my ride or die
I'll do anything for him
He does like he does like
I would say
3,000 things in this movie on screen
that could have gotten him killed
any given moment, like, pretty easily.
I mean, in classic, in, like,
classic Kubrick fashion, it's a movie where
a guy does the exact,
like, wrong, worst thing in every single
situation he's in until the very end
and then he's punished for it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I, it's,
you were joking about the idea that, like,
yeah, Barry changes his name and he becomes
George, what he founds America.
Yeah.
But it is, even though this movie is about,
you know,
our favorite type of people.
The Protestant,
Protestant Irish, disabled people.
It is,
I mean,
I think it's appropriate
that this is,
after last season's premiere
of casino,
the movie about modern America.
This is a movie,
this is sort of a movie
about the foundations of America.
Yeah.
These are the,
America was founded by,
you know,
disgruntled former roundheads
and people who were pissed off
that,
you know,
they did into field in England
and it didn't matter.
Yeah, yeah.
But the soul of America
is these types of people.
Protestant, Scots, Irish,
like lower nobility
who just crapped out in their country.
People who are always kind of arriving.
They're always in the process of rising and falling.
Big hearts then.
He pots to there.
Tryers then.
I don't know why that just popped into my head.
Who was I was talking about that with someone the other day,
about how much I love that guy, Chris Jones,
my second empire.
But it is like this is
a Calvinist movie
appropriately so.
Yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely.
Barry does not know
that he is destined to
have one leg in a dead son.
Because of the narration,
like you, the audience do know.
Yeah.
And like,
there are two sort of parts
of the movie and each part tells you
what's going to happen in,
like part one.
By what means Redmond Barry
acquired the style
and title of Barry Lyndon.
Yeah.
And I want to talk about the very first shot of this movie.
And, like, Felix, to get to your point about how this is sort of a Calvinist movie
or a movie about fate, it begins, and it's a duel being set up.
And you see two figures, but they are obscured by the distance.
And it looks like they are figures in an oil painting.
And I love, like, just to set the tone for the movie, the narration begins.
Barry's father had been bred, like many other young sons of a genteel family,
to the profession of the law.
And then you hear in the background, like, cock your pistols!
and there is no doubt
he would have made an eminent figure
in his profession
had he not been killed
in a duel
which arose over the purchase
of some horses
I love and this is the old dual
meta when you both shot
at the same time
the meta will change
by the time Barry
gets into a duel
yeah I
not to get too far off topic
I would love who
I'm sure there is
like some actual history
of dueling I could read
but the guy who was like
actually I think we should like
take turns
that's the greatest
guy in history.
That is the best guy
who's ever lived.
Tales never fails.
That would,
yeah, some like,
again,
probably like lower,
lower nobility
Irish Protestant.
Some like shitty member
of the Irish Protestant gentry
who was addicted to like,
they didn't even have a name for opium at the time.
But he just,
that's what he was addicted to.
And he was like,
my reflexes are never going to be good enough for this.
And I am constantly like stealing
people's horses. Okay, I'm going to come up with something. My name is Applegate Adams,
and we should go in alphabetical order when we do duels. And then you meet another partner,
like the guy you just challenged. They're like, what's your name, sir? Aaron Aronson.
But the point is like, okay, we see Barry's father killed in a duel before Barry is even on
screen. Like, probably like before he's even born. And this gets to like, the idea that duels,
that dueling will be this like, especially a prominent thing in the life of Barry Lyndon,
the main character of this movie, is like, it's all set up for him before he's even born.
And I think this gets to like the essential black comedy at the heart of this movie and many
of Kubrick's other movies, which I think like almost all of them to be properly understood,
have to kind of be understood as comedies. Yeah. Or tragic comedies in a way. Yeah, absolutely. And with this one,
I think of like what Scorsesey talked about.
These like, most of the shots in this movie,
like, they begin and it's like in the middle of an action
of people like doing something sitting in these like
beautifully and pointed interiors or somewhere outside.
And it's in like about a medium range.
And then the camera does this reverse zoom out very slowly
as like the frame fills.
And the individuality of the person that the camera is focused on
immediately becomes obscured as they become part of this larger canvas.
Yes.
And they become like the scenes of all the soldiers marching in unison
to like the fife and drums.
And it's this constant process of like the illusion that we all suffer under of our individuality.
Yeah.
And there's, in the beginnings too, there are like, sorry to interrupt, but like there are parts
where people wearing the exact same outfits and clothes as the main characters are just
standing in the background facing away.
And it's like, oh my God, everyone's like this.
Everyone's very limited.
And like you add to that, like, Felix, the point you made about how comfortable this
movie is having long takes and like of people kind of sitting in movement like very static.
But like really where this movie lives is in the narration and in its use of music.
And if you think of like 2001 and a clockwork orange, like Kubrick does a very similar
thing with like the heavy classical music is that he's really allowing you to like feel
the emotion of the characters through the music, not through the performance that like, I don't
know, like it like sort of individualizes too much a character like Redmond Barry, aka.
Barry Lyndon.
Yeah.
And I think it's like in the scenes of people like dancing.
I remember like in the old interview I did with Adam Curtis,
I asked about how dancing was used as a motif in his movies.
And like I see sort of a similar pattern in this is that like we feel emotion through music.
We feel emotion through dance.
But like the notes are already written.
Yeah.
Like the song is going to end the same way every time.
But it's just like this illusion that we have that we're being borne forth by our emotions,
our individuality, but the pattern is already.
already set. And then the duel we've seen in the very first shot of this movie, the pattern
for Barry's life is already set before he's even done.
Gentlemen, cock your pistols. Gentlemen? Barry's father had been bred, like many other young sons
of a genteel family, to the profession of the law. And there is no doubt he would have made an
eminent figure in his profession. Had he not been killed in a duel, which arose over the purchase
of synchosis.
It puts one in mind of the roller coaster scene from Clifford.
Aren't we all Clifford in the end?
Just on the tracks?
No, but I think that is a great framing of it.
And I mean, for the dancing that Adam Curtis uses in a lot of his movies,
it is like about the time when they desegregated dancing enough for it to move on from this.
when Chubby Checker, Chubby Chacker,
Chubby Chalkers is still alive, by the way,
but when he sort of hit the scene,
but before that,
before the dancing you see in most Curtis movies,
which is people doing the Wittusi and the twist,
and it's sort of improvised.
The dancing you see in this movie,
it's not just of the notes of the music are you,
you already,
they're pre-dezoned.
They didn't invent a jazz yet.
Yeah.
But the steps themselves,
just like the steps of these people's lives,
they are already, these are all pre-choreograph.
And every character they,
every character that we at least spend any amount of time with in Barry's life,
they will follow the steps laid out for them,
you know,
to varying degrees with success.
Barry is sort of an outlier because he just,
he misses his predestined steps,
but in the exact same way every time.
Yeah.
He fucks it up in the exact,
in the exact way where,
half the time it's going to
half the time it's going to work out for him
and then the other half
it will produce the worst outcome imaginable
like the saddest, shittiest thing
that he could have ever met
something he probably never even thought up
yeah and like you know
this is a story about
kind of a nobody who becomes a somebody
who goes back to being a nobody
yeah like casino
yeah yeah yeah
and it's like you know it's a story about like
the many rises and falls
of this one kind of like
rake and like I think the thing
with Barry as a character
and Ryan O'Neill's performance here
is that like Barry is not an evil guy
he's not a good guy
but he's not evil like he's kind of selfish
and vain and stupid in the way
pretty much everyone is. Yeah and I think
like Ryan O'Neill often gets
kind of like done and like I think a lot of the reason
a lot of people didn't
I don't know get this movie when I first came out is because like
Ryan O'Neill's performance seems like I don't know
strangely bad or
like ill-fitted to it but like it's
actually works perfectly.
I can't imagine anyone else in this role.
Like we were talking about this last night before the episode.
Like this is,
Ryan O'Neill,
I guess,
okay,
yeah,
technically there might be guys around this time.
Like,
I'm sure John Cazel would have been great in this.
Yeah.
But if you put John Cazel in this time frame and made him not Italian,
he's a different guy than,
yeah.
If you put Ryan O'Neill in this exact time,
this is probably Ryan O'Neill's ancestors.
Yeah, yeah.
This is Ryan O'Neill in the 20th century, basically.
There has never been a character who matches his actor better.
For people who don't know a lot about Ryan O'Neill, all of us were born in 1945.
We, you know, we had Ryan O'Neill posters growing up.
But Ryan O'Neill, that I remember one of my favorite things I've ever, one of my favorite,
this is a bad guy articles I've ever read is about Ryan O'Neill.
and Ryan O'Neill tells the reporter this story
that he's at Farah Fawc's funeral
and he sees a girl from behind and he's like,
hey, what's up?
You know a lot of dead chicks?
You come here often?
Yeah.
You kill her?
Yeah, yeah.
He's heading on her.
And then she turns around and it's fucking Tatum O'Neill.
It's his daughter.
And he's like, oh, whoops.
His daughter that he brutally abused.
Yeah.
And, like, really just, like, fucked her life up horribly.
And then he, and he,
telling the reporter this like
isn't that funny? Yeah
he and at this
point he was the biggest actor
in the world because love story had just
come out and so like
I saw like the studio gave
Kubrick a list of actors and was
like you will make this movie
but you have to pick one of these actors
because they're the top ten best actors
biggest actors in the world and the only two
people that were the right age to play this character
were Robert Redford and Ryan
O'Neill and he
said it said that he offered it to
Robert Redford first and he turned it down
which I'm like could you imagine
that movie? Thank God.
That would not have worked. No.
Yeah. He needs
you need a shithead.
Yeah. Yeah. This movie is about
like an Irish shithead.
Yeah. That's essentially what the movie
is about. Now so
the course of Barry's life is like he's
from a sort of lower Irish
gentry family. Like educated
his family owns something but they're
clearly like always looking for a come-up.
up just like Barry.
Yeah.
This is another funny thing
about this movie
is that it seems like
everyone lives the exact
same way in this like
in this like class
kind of which I guess
can't really be true
because you know
but when he's like
destitute they're like
you're so poor
and he's just like
doing the same shit
that he's always been doing
he's like
but it's very funny
his family
they're like
his family is very poor
but like
they got
a nice house. They got a nice fucking lawn, you know?
That is, I mean, you could not make this movie, or it wouldn't be as interesting if you made it about, like, an actual, like, commoner.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Because, I mean, this is why, you know, this, on our, on Chappo, we are the most pro-George R. Martin podcast in existence.
And, you know, one of the reasons that we identify George is the greatest.
George is a true materialist.
the Targaryans, the ruling family,
they were minor nobility in Valeria,
which is his like Egypt, Rome, shit.
Who are the biggest movers and chakers in all of history?
They're all people who started it as minor nobility.
Caesar, Napoleon.
They're all the guys that Diggler names in the documentary.
But that's like the 0.002% of minor nobility.
There are people who are in Barry's shitty family's circumstances
of like, okay,
We own these lands and we make 700 guidos or whatever.
Fuck their currency is here.
But we need to like, we need to marry off a daughter or fucking something.
Yeah.
The families like train there.
These like people like you're getting us out.
You're getting us up there.
Okay.
We're going to be the king basically.
And it's the people that founded America.
Yeah.
No, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
It is they're the opposite of the Venet Jesuit.
Yeah.
Their plans are measured in milliseconds.
they're just like
you made you made
you made less money
from selling like corn this year
than you spent on like
wigs for your servants
and they're like
oh fuck fuck fuck
can we sell our daughter
and you bring up
Napoleon and actually like
this movie came about
because Kubrick was trying to do
a movie about Napoleon
I think after 2001
one of the saddest movies
to never get made
but you know what like
what he ended up making
with this movie is a movie
that like Barry is a figure
whose life sort of mirrors out of Napoleon.
He's an outsider who comes from an island,
goes to a war on the continent,
fucks shit up, gets big,
then fucks it all up and goes back to the island.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Goes to a second exile at a different island.
But, like, the course of Barry's life begins to take shape
with a common story.
A common story that I think we can all relate to.
Your cousin is the hottest woman you know
because there are like six women in the way.
part of Ireland that you live in.
And you fall in love with her and she takes your sherry.
Can you imagine?
Like this is,
we make fun of people who like their only issues walkable cities.
But like this made me go like,
okay,
yeah,
they kind of have a point.
Because this is like,
is there at least a less walkable city or country than Ireland in the 18th century?
The closest thing is like 18 hours away.
If you get the fastest force.
you're probably getting robbed on the way there.
Well, we'll get to that.
But like, and for the most part, you're probably just walking.
Yeah.
And like, you, like, you're best, if you're a horny young man, your best hope is that, like,
your, your cousins are once removed and they're girls.
Yeah.
It really sucks.
It's really bad times.
To be, to be fair to Barry, his cousin is hot.
She is fine.
She is fine.
She's pretty fucking hot.
And, like, I love her seduction technique with her, you know, like, an unworldly cousin, which is she's like, turn around, Barry.
And she, like, takes, like, her little, like, neck ribbon off and, like, sticks it in her cleavage.
And she's like, I've taken the ribbon from around my neck and hidden it somewhere on my person.
And I will think very little of you if you don't find it.
He's like, but Nora, I can't find it.
She's like, it's in my tints, you find it.
I cannot find the ribbon.
She's like, look harder.
you ask so he's like so he's like why are you she's like why are you trembling and he's like at the joy at the pleasure of finding the ribbon
it's like this guy is like 30 years old i know he's supposed to be like a kid but it's like no one has ever gotten it let like we all everyone have stories from their life
where they're like oh i fucked up you know but those stories are those stories are not like it wasn't like oh her
she was like find a ribbon in my tits.
Yeah, yeah.
And it wasn't at that point.
Like this is like Barry might, he might as well be like mid penetration with her.
Yeah.
And be like, what am I supposed to do next?
Do you like me?
Yeah.
But, you know, like this is the innocence of youth.
You know, like I said, your hot cousin takes your chair in the hottest woman in Ireland.
And, you know, first cut is the deepest.
He falls completely in love with this cousin.
This becomes a problem for him and his family when his other male cousins essentially conspire to marry her off to a British captain in a British regiment who has, he's off 1,500 guineas a year.
Yeah.
An income like that is a big come up for this family.
Yeah, yeah, that's huge.
And he's agreed to pay off the $4,000 in debt so that Barry's uncle owes.
and I love when he first meets the captain
and he sees like the British company
of General Williamson's company or something like
And they're like they're doing like a sort of like a like a march
for the local, like the 10 local townspeople
Like oh this is great like
I love when they shoot their guns in the air for no reason
Just to end all the women scream
I love the way Captain Quinn like like turns to look at the crowd
is you want they have to like these very precise like the way people hold their bodies and this very kind of like the ritualization of behavior and movement that we see here and like I said I love like again one of these zoom out shots where you see the like the column of troops marching towards you like the fife and drum playing and it's like they're moving towards you as the camera is zooming out in reverse to reveal the people watching them but I keep coming back over and over again to like this kind of like the intentional obfuscation that's
of individuals.
Yeah.
In the landscape
as like one body
becomes just this
undifferentated mass
of like people
moving in these
kind of geometric
constructions and patterns.
Yeah.
Over and over again
we see that in this movie.
And basically,
like things go wrong
because like he has to go
to a family dinner
where it gets announced
that your cousin
is getting engaged
to the British Captain Quinn.
And you're like,
wait,
did she find the ribbon?
Did he find the ribbon
before me?
Yeah, yeah.
I found the ribbon,
though.
I also love one just real quick about the like zooming out thing.
I love that the line of like women and villagers and Irish like peasants that are like being presented this march,
it looks like a row of enemy soldiers being about to be fired upon.
And I love when after she dances with Captain Quinn and her and Barry are leaving.
And he's like, did you really have to dance with him five times?
And she's like, of course, like, he's a good man.
Like, I don't.
She says, she says, Barry, to dance with your cousin looks like you can't have another partner.
And she goes, and besides, you're a boy and Quinn is a man.
Yeah, yeah.
And like, you know, that, that stings him deeply.
So.
Yeah, she, he asked her to dance and she said no.
And he danced with this guy five times, which is so funny.
And again, we get back into the kind of the rituals of behavior that govern this society,
that really like are the sort of, I don't know, the locks and dams that
channel the like gravitational flow of your life down river.
Yeah.
And one of those, as we saw in the very first scene, the thing that defines this movie, is
the duel.
That like, you know, in 18th century society, if you're a gentleman, like, you could not
bear any slight to your honor.
And the only way to rectify that was by like, you know, facing off of the guy, two guys
pointing guns at each other and both taking a shot at one another.
It's very sexual.
Yeah.
Every duel in this, like, it's very like, it's extremely sexual, especially the,
the final one, which we'll get to.
and there's so much sexual stuff going on with his steps on in him
I can't wait to dive into.
But like, okay, so he basically throws a glass in Quinn's face at Dimmer.
And basically, like, and then Quinn being a captain in the British Army,
and he's like, who the fuck is this, like, Irish dickhead?
But he, like, he's in a position where he has to challenge him to a duel.
And he clearly doesn't want to.
And, like, that's what I love about the scene of the duel with him and Quinn.
Is it, like, throughout, like, the history of dueling in, like, European societies,
the vast vast majority of them were like a hold me back bro moment it was like a slap lawsuit
it was it was it was no it was so both parties could like save face yeah but like basically nobody
actually wanted to look down a gun and fire it in another person like yeah yeah that and again
great example of the kinds of pieces of shit and like refuse of the refuse that arrived in
america Andrew jackson he he was like he was like a guy who used glitches and exploits
so he could kill people in duels.
Like he was like, fuck this.
He streams the shit.
He's using bots.
Andrew Jackson would wear like, he was a skinny guy.
He would wear like giant coat.
So you thought that you like, oh, I shot him in the fucking
heart and his heart's like eight feet away.
And then he would just fucking square up and shoot you in the stomach.
Yeah.
And you die in excruciating death.
Yeah, he had wall hacks turned on.
Yeah.
That was like all the people who used who, like all
the people, the people we complain about now who use like movement exploits and call of duty,
those are heritage Americans.
Yeah.
That, yeah, that like, all the people who are like, let's, let's get through this so we can
both like save face and not like kill each other or lose a limb.
Those are all the people that stayed in Europe.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
No.
I love, I also love that I love his family's reaction to this is like, oh, Barry, well, I
guess you got to do what you got to do.
They're like, you bury, your scamp, your scallywag.
And I love, also, this is something that I picked out, like, rewatching it this morning,
is that Captain Quinn, he has this extremely, like, the ultimate affected, like, super prim proper British, British voice.
But he slips every once in a while and will, like, say some, like, low-born, like, have, like, a low-born grammatical error of,
like saying ain't or something, like in his speech.
Like he's also just like a striver, like a pretender.
Yeah.
He's like, he says, I'm an Englishman and a man of property.
Yeah.
And I love, love.
The first dual scene with Barry is so good.
It's like, we hear over and over again in this movie, like the, the main part of
Handel's Saraband.
And Saravan was a kind of a dance and it was this piece written for a harps accord.
But it's this very.
like steady building.
And it's this like sort of procession
to this like lethal
social custom and ritual.
And I love it because like they set up Barry.
They give them the pistol.
You know,
they choose the pistols.
But then they make clear to Barry that like, look,
the girl is going to marry Quinn.
It doesn't have to be this way.
The family is all agreed.
We're going to give you 20 guineas.
Send you to Dublin.
You know,
give you a horse.
You can go to Dublin, have fun.
But like your cousin's marrying this guy.
And like if you just apologize
and take the money and fuck off to Dublin,
Quinn is like,
I will of course consider the matter
honorably settled.
Yeah.
And then they're like,
they're giving him a big out.
But Barry being like,
you know,
young,
dumb,
full of calm.
He's like,
I'd as soon to go to hell
than Dublin.
He's like,
fuck you,
let's die today.
Yeah.
Let's die today.
Let's throw our lives away right now.
I'll have 10 guineas on me.
Yeah,
yeah.
And I love when Barry is just like,
fuck that.
Let's die right now.
The look on Quinn's face is so funny.
Yeah.
Just he just drop.
Because he is so shook.
He is not ready to die for this.
This is going to sound like I'm making fun of the guy
I plays Quinn and I'm not.
There is just perfect casting from the lowest, like,
stable boy in this movie to the top build caps.
It's just perfect casting all fucking around.
Quinn, he has like,
he has a style of balding that like,
either because of like hormones and food or something,
it just doesn't exist anymore.
He has like a tuft of hair.
He has an island of hair.
That he is building his entire face around.
He is such a,
and the actor who is playing it is probably like 27.
But he,
no one,
no one has more looked apart of like,
A, a striver,
B, a guy who's named Quinn,
who's like, what are you talking about?
I'm English.
And yeah, he really does not want to jump out.
He really, you find out how badly he does not want to jump out.
And like the two shots of them as they like aim their pistols, very like just stone face, dead, dead like still as a statue.
Yeah.
And you got Quinn and he's like, it's like mouth is turned up to like a like a toad or something.
And like you see his arm shaking.
Yeah.
Like no, God, no what.
These are the guys that were fighting the 13 colonies.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
It was a bunch of queens.
No wonder they lost.
And he gets signed out.
Or at least Barry thinks that's the case.
Yeah.
So like they like essentially,
Barry is victorious in the duel.
He puts down Quinn.
And then his family is just like, well,
right, lot of the fucking good you did us.
There goes his 1500 days.
But they still like, here, take 20 and go to Ireland.
Sorry, go to Dublin because like the law will be after you.
Yeah.
Which is funny because like I thought this was all just a matter.
of honor. Like, I thought he won fair and square.
What would the law have to anything to say about this?
Yeah, yeah. Like this guy, you know, he fucked
my cousin, or he wants to fuck my cousin.
I've been fucking her and I'm going to sneak. I'm going to keep
doing it, okay? Yeah, it's like a
formality, basically, of like, the cops
are going to have to come here and say, are you
here? And if we, if you are, then,
you know, then they'll have to do something, so
you have to go. It's like,
uh, kind of like, you get
the idea that's how duels happen is like,
the police have to come after as like a formality and just
be like, all right, he's not still here.
Is he?
All right, then it's fine.
So his family, like, they send him off on his own.
And, you know, as the narration said,
no lad who has liberty for the first time
and 20 guineas in his pocket can be sad for long.
Yeah.
So, like, it's heartbroken as he has never,
nor is like, oh boy, like, he's got a horse.
I want his way to Dublin.
The scene where he gets weight laid by the highwayman
is so funny to me because, like,
I think it's so interesting that the very first scene
in the movie, you see Barry's father die.
you never know who he is
Barry never knows who he is
and the whole first half of the movie
is Barry's like repeated
and failed attempts
to find another father figure
Yeah
And the scene with the two highwaymen
I thought like you know
Sorry what's his name
Captain Feeney
Is that it's Captain Feeney and his son
Yeah
He's robbed by a father son
Highwin win duo
And I love the scene
He comes up at some like
You know roadside in
And asks for
Just can I have a cup of water please
And like you know
Pays them
And it's like a fine looking young lad
and it's the father and son they're just like they're like care to join us for a drink and he's like no i
simply couldn't i have to be on my way and then they just meet up with him like a half a mile down
the road pulled guns on him and just leave him with nothing but his fucking shoes yeah and i love
i love the absolute courtesy with which captain feeney addresses his as he refers to his clients
yes i love him saying clients it's so like truly it's like uh this is his job now it's just like
he used to be a captain in some capacity, but now it's just like, no, this is how you make money.
This is how you get cash.
This is how you make bank, you know?
You just like look at people with your owl eyes.
And like he looks so letterous.
He looks like a painting called like the lecherous man or something.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, Captain was like, captain was like calling yourself like, oh, gee back then.
Like you couldn't like you didn't go too far with, like if you were like a 15 year old.
You were like, I'm a captain.
and people would be like, okay, fuck off.
But like, if you're afraid,
if you had enough friends and they called you captain,
you're a captain.
Yeah, yeah.
But, uh,
I,
I love it.
This,
this scene is great,
especially on top of what we've already seen because,
I mean,
I again,
don't want to get too far ahead of ourselves,
but like,
you know,
regardless of what happened in the duel,
it was going to be,
we need to get buried the fuck out of here.
Yeah,
yeah.
We can get this fucking dumb ass to,
um,
you know, settle our stupid dead dads
4,000 guinea dad
and like give us 1500 a year.
And they humiliate Captain Quinn.
They like completely and he's like,
all right, I don't care.
Captain Quinn is like,
yeah, he is like Leahy from
but it's like everyone,
yeah, it doesn't matter what happens.
And then Barry,
who uncharacteristically, like,
probably because he like busted
a nut for the first time before he set out
into the world.
Like he showed,
some street smart by not like okay
I've never fucking seen these guys in my life
I should like I wouldn't
give someone a meal this is
there's something fucking fishy here
it doesn't matter he gets fucking stuck up anyway
probably worse
bro they're probably they probably take more
from him because they're like you made us go down
the road you fucking asshole
and like in the scene where
Captain Feeney talks to him like when they
when they first meet each other at the end and he's just
like care to join us
that there's these very like
uncanny moments in Kubrick's films
where like this sort of like
you sort of get a glimpse behind like the
mask of courtesy. Yeah.
And it's always something like deeply
like alienating and inhuman kind of
like it almost doesn't seem real.
Yeah. It's one of the like closest
up shots of anyone's face in the entire
movie is on Feeney being like
care to have a meal and it's like oh something's up.
Like the camera's too close to this guy's face.
I saw this really weird thing.
it was, I mean, you know, obviously like body language analysis is like fucking cuckoo, you know,
there was way more to astrology and than body language analysis.
But I watched this thing on body language analysis once and it was kind of interesting.
It was about they were doing Cato Cailin's testimony at the OJ trial.
And they did, they did like the slowest motion you could do in like 1998.
And they showed these like micro moments that you would miss if you watched it in full
speed of like,
Cato Caelin,
like,
bearing his teeth
at the people
questioning him,
which was so weird.
There were so many moments like that
in the Kubrick movie
where you see the animal
inside the human coming out.
Yeah.
You see how,
like,
how little removal there is
from like the adivistic
naked animals underneath us all.
Yeah,
it's like he smiles,
but it's like a chimp smiling.
It's like,
yeah,
yeah.
Like,
he is like bearing his teeth to bear.
like, you know, and keep this in mind, like, as the film progresses, like, so much of what we regard
as our personality or our individuality is just the mask that we affect to fit into, like,
the societal roles, these patterns that are entirely predetermined for us.
Yeah.
And that, like, the mask of courtesy is always something that belies deep cruelty, as Scorsesey said.
Yeah.
At the beginning.
And I, but I still love the courtesy of Captain Dufini and his son.
And I love the, like, Barry being victimized by a father and a son.
Because if Barry's father had lived, like, that would have been him.
That would have been him and his dad, like, robbing people or swindling them.
But, like, instead, he doesn't have a father, so he is sort of naked in the world, and as a result of it, remains sort of unknowable to himself and ultimately unknowable to the viewer as well.
Yeah, he's in, like, a permanent state of adolescence throughout the movie, because he's, like, not given, he doesn't, he never really has a figure to model himself after until, I guess the closest is probably the,
The chivalier, as we'll get to.
That's a great way to put it.
And I always, I, I, I think one of the most interesting patterns people follow in adolescence is they latch on to the closest thing they have to a full identity, whether it is like their own ethnicity, their religion, like the fucking football team, their family roots, like whatever.
They just, that is something like a 13 year old does.
Yeah.
Oh, my family's Albanians, so we love dinner.
you know that type of thing
no one has dinner like are people
and that's like you know Barry
is doing that way he's way too old to be doing that
but you can't blame him because he just
he is like who are his role model
yeah like his stupid ass uncle
the Prussian military
the Prussian military his stupid ass uncle
who's like Barry we've got to
we have like one member of this family with a good pussy
and we have to sell her.
Those are his role model.
So he's his entire life,
he is like a 13 year old boy looking for like,
like a,
you know how like a dog likes to find a spicy set to roll around?
That's what he's trying to do all over the,
all over continental Europe.
And after his disaster of like,
and Captain Feeney,
like he,
Barry bears his soul to him and he's like,
I'm but a few, you know,
hours in front of the law myself, you know.
I'm like, I'm just like you.
I just shot a British officer
and like,
now I'm on my way to Dublin
and I love Captain Finney.
He says,
he says like,
in my profession,
we hear many such stories.
Yours is undoubtedly the most interesting
I've heard in weeks.
And as a result,
I'll let you keep your boots.
Oh my God.
They take his horse,
his fucking bankroll,
his father's pistols
that he died with.
And they just got,
like,
he steps over the log
that they've like used to like
waylay his progress.
And then they're like,
you can put your arms now,
now, Barry.
He just walked away, like dejected.
And then as many a young man in various circumstances
find himself, the very good opportunity now available to him
is service in His Majesty's army.
Yeah.
His Majesty's Royal Military.
For one and a half gold pieces, basically.
It's like, fuck.
If we, you know what, if there was like no DNA testing
or anything like that, if you, after you killed a guy,
you could just like re-aracted.
the letters in your name and be like,
oh, I'm a different guy.
We would have 40 million enlisted soldiers.
America would be the bit,
like we,
the greatest military ever assembled just as far as,
like horrible in practice,
because it would just be a bunch of guys
who killed each other over like,
the things that no one even wants,
like CD towers,
like motorized hyracks,
but we'd have like 50 million of them.
We might even win against Iran
because we'd have like 50 million of these idiots
to throw at them.
Yeah.
And they'd just be like,
we're out of bullets.
We killed so many Barry Linden's.
But like this is,
yeah,
no,
this is whenever.
This is why he begins
his illustrious military career.
Yeah,
yeah.
No,
but I mean,
this is our military now,
the only reason,
we actually are exceeding
recruiting goals,
which is like a huge
fucking recession indicator.
But like,
it would be even bigger
if it,
like,
if we didn't have this pesky problem
of needing to like arrest
arrest people for murder
Yeah, yeah.
So Barry, he joins, he becomes a red coat.
And, you know, he's trained and he becomes like a good, but like, as soon as he's in the army, he, like, gets in a fight immediately.
And there's another duel.
I love this.
I love the fight they get into two, two pieces.
He's fighting with a guy who just looks like super saying Ryan O'Neill.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's sort of hard to keep track up.
And, like, I don't watch this scene a few times because it's so, this, Kubrick, who's such an uncompromising filmmaker.
I don't even care if movies are woke.
Like, I don't care.
If you make this movie again and Barry is like,
ovation with dreadlocks, I don't care.
But don't change,
like,
don't make it,
keep it as inscrutable to modern audiences as possible.
In fact,
I,
like,
I think this might kill,
like an average person now to try to watch this movie.
I have to figure out what they were arguing about.
Like,
I have to watch it again because it does say,
correct me if I'm wrong,
Barry is basically making fun of him because, well, the guy is shitting on Barry.
The guy says on Barry because Barry asks for a beaker that's not filled with grease to drink out of him.
You believe this fucking asshole.
Yeah.
I mean, keep in mind, around this, only a hundred years from this period, the first doctor ever, the German doctor, a surgeon, he was like, hey, I think we should wash our hands before we do surgery.
Yeah.
And he was made fun of so bad he died in a mental hospital.
So this is like you, Barry is viciously mocked for asking for a clean beer.
But I was talking about the thing that Barry makes fun of him for.
He makes one of the guy's wife for showing up and him hiding from her.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
His wife is a washerwoman.
And he's like, he's like, why are you hiding?
We're afraid she's going to box your ears.
Yeah.
And then like, he picks up like a stool to brain him with.
Like Barry picks up a club.
And then the officer interjects and he's just like, nope, man, like we're forming a square.
were settling this with fisticuffs.
And they're like, the regiment like assembles.
And once again, like, they have to like sort themselves into these like, so their bodies
make literally a square for these two guys to fight it.
And it's like, you know, bare chested fisticuffs.
Yeah.
Like, this is funny because like the guy Barry like squares off against is probably like 100 pounds
heavier than him and a foot taller.
He literally does look like, yeah.
Like if you, if you had a rot like to a twin Ryan O'Neils and you're like, okay, I'm going
to give the one HGH from the moment.
moment he's born.
Yeah, it's Ryan O'Neill
versus Ryan O'O-O-O-O-Neill.
But Barry kicks his ass.
And I don't know if you noticed this,
but this is like the scene where they're fighting
in the square
and they're doing fisticuffs
is one of the one of like two or three scenes
in this movie where the camera is handheld.
Yeah.
We're like, like the very static,
like stationary camera of zooming in and out
breaks down and it is handheld as they fight in this scene.
I mean, part of that is,
practical because it is very hard to do a step.
Like, it's very hard to make a punch look convincing in a static shot unless you have a guy who's really willing to get hit or like a guy who really knows how to fall real estate.
It's hard to make it look good.
Fighting is just one of those things where it's kind of like filming football in a movie.
It's hard.
You can't really make it look too much like the real thing.
Yeah.
We'll be discussing Oliver Stone's any given Sunday later in the year.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
But just as the feeling of a fight, it is exactly like a dream.
Like capturing a dream in a movie or a show.
You're never going to get exactly what that's like because so much of it is sensual.
And like the weirdness of a dream is, you know, are you or aren't you hearing things,
etc.
There are too many things that are impossible to capture in a medium like film or TV.
But you can capture the feeling state for the viewer through the eyes of the protagonist.
this is the exact same thing.
You know, is this the greatest
fucking choreographed fights scene I've ever seen?
No, but it does feel as
desperate and as shitty as
a real fight does.
Obviously, there are practical concerns for
why they use handheld cams, but it also
does capture the feeling of like,
you know, anyone who's ever been in a fight
before who, like, isn't trained,
most people have about 30 seconds
of gas in that.
Most of what you feel when you're fighting someone is,
exhaustion. And this is
like a very good
visual portrayal of just the
sloppiness and
fatigue of a real fight and
desperation. But like it's all it's all housed
in the square of bodies and like
the duels. This once again like
the sort of the past is a different country and like how
alien their behavior is and like all these rituals
for like the kind of containing and disciplining
of violence. Yeah. To like to make like
savage acts civilized in a way.
to like settle disputes through violence.
Yeah.
But do it in a civilized manner.
Yeah.
It's like, and it's really like, er Kubrick, honestly, because people think of, like, when they think Kubrick, they'll probably think more of like, you know, the painterly beautiful shots where everyone's weirdly still and the camera's slowly zooming out and stuff.
But Kubrick, like, his first ever movie was a boxing, like.
Yeah, Killer's Kiss.
Yeah, no, not even before that even.
Fear and desire.
Was it? Fear and desire?
It's like a short film called like the boxing, the night of the fight or something.
And his first job was as a boxing photographer for Look Magazine when he was like a teenager.
And so that is literally like how he cut his teeth in the filming world was like filming boxing and photographing boxing.
And it's like he's like going back.
He's like, this is what the boxing is like.
you know, this is why there's, you know, a painting of boxing.
There are no, like, fancy paintings of boxing, really, from that period, because it's like,
this is just like, the, it doesn't belong in a picture frame. It belongs in a frame of men who are
forming a big rectangle, you know? Yeah. You showed me some piece, some of these photos that,
like, you know, like a 17-year-old Kubrick hook of professional boxing matches. And they are, like,
obviously like some of the best
fight photography I have ever
17 years old
he is you know
you can see like his eyes how to like frame
images and light and shadow like
yeah he was a he was a
fucking god these are some of the best
but like boxing photographs I've ever seen
and he was taking them with like
you know one of those cameras where you had to put a
like piece of cloth over your head
and like a fucking light bulb broke
but
um
I always
what I think of when I was
thinking of Kubrick is just like
the way that he portrays violence, which
is just always like, again,
it's less about the performances of
the actors themselves,
and he does get great stuff out of actors
who can be inconsistent
in other stuff.
But just, I always think, like,
the way that he like smears
blood on like pale face but
wild-eyed men, just the
repulsive, like
how gross it feels
win or lose, the actual sensation of violence.
And whether you are on the giving or receiving end,
that realization of, again, how few layers there are between you and this,
how few edifices there are protecting society from just being like,
oh, we should just, this is how we should distribute resources.
Yeah.
It's just that everyone squares up in a big circle of guys.
Yeah.
And the irony is that if that was how resources were distributed,
Barry would be like the king of Europe.
Barry is like,
Barry in this movie,
just something about his character.
He is like John Witherspoon and Friday.
Because he is like a,
like if he,
he said,
we used to use these.
Yeah.
Fists and shit,
like melee range,
Barry is awesome.
Yeah.
Barry folks people up.
And like he is what he,
Barry's an old head.
Barry's like,
used to be,
you could.
you put two of these up and if you lost
you still got respect.
Guns, like guns have fucked up
Barry's life since before it started.
Yeah, yeah.
And they are, they have caused
way more misery for him.
Guns and horses are really
really bad things in Barry's life.
But again, like the,
the,
Barry, if Barry Lyndon was born
in, you know,
1995,
he would be, like, he would, they'd be like,
there's a new guy out of Ireland.
He's better than Connor McGregor.
he'd be Mickey Roar
as kind of who Barry would be
yeah
yeah no Barry
Barry would be in the UFC
he'd be like
they'd be like Dana
what do you think about
Barry Lyndon
posting like
y'all
why do they split a baby
in half on Kwanza
Dana would be like
I don't know anything about it
that's fucking stupid
I celebrate Kwanza all the time
I know they don't do that
but Barry's the champion
at 145 pounds
but you know
Barry
Barry
can fucking scrap.
Yeah.
But like,
your point about Kubrick Felix,
there's always this like,
and his movies,
like,
his movies are sometimes,
uh,
people who don't like his movies.
Like,
he can sometimes be critiqued for having a kind of like distaste for human beings.
Because like,
he does take this kind of like,
microscope,
like the guy looking through a microscope at like bacteria.
Like sometimes human beings feel like that in his movies.
Yeah.
And like,
I think that like that coldness,
I think like,
is definitely there.
like a very kind of cynical view of humanity.
But at the same time,
like, I think like, especially in this movie,
it opens, like, I think,
I think with that detachment,
it really opens up, like,
for at least me watching this movie,
you can pour so much of yourself into Barry.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And these figures, like,
and like, that, that, that, that remove,
that kind of emotional coldness,
I think, like,
it wouldn't work if,
if Barry was played by, for instance,
Jack Nicholson.
You know, like, Jack Nicholson's performance,
Jack Nicholson's performance in the show
Shining is like very much Jack Nicholson.
Yeah.
I'm like, that works, but like, most of Kubrick's protagonists are kind of blank.
Yeah.
Like, you know, like, Pierre Dula in 2001.
Like, that's the hero of that movie.
Like, or Matthew Modin in a full metal jacket.
Like, you know, he's kind of, you know, he's funny.
But, like, they're not exactly like, they're all great performances, but they're not
like memorable because of, like, the actor being themselves.
Right.
Yeah, yeah.
The, um, I have a funny thing about, uh, Keer DeLay, which is, uh, when he was in, uh,
Bunny Lake is missing.
Lawrence Olivier is also in that movie.
And Lawrence Olivier fucking was like,
who the fuck is this guy?
And at one point,
Lawrence Olivier was like drunk or something on set
and like beckoned Kier Delay over
and whispered in his ear,
Kier Delay, gone tomorrow.
I think we see more of this.
And like, particularly Kubrick's treatment
of violence.
Like I said, like violence is,
like there's,
it's always present in his movies.
It's always very nasty,
but it's always like,
kept it like a certain like remove it's always abstracted in some way and i think like we see that
perfectly when we see like barry's first real taste of military life yeah where he is almost immediately
shipped out to take part in these seven years of war and i love the narrator just not even trying to
describe why the war happened yeah yeah he's like suffice to say uh england was allied with prussia
against france sweden and russia yeah that's all you need to know and i'm like barry's first
engagement. I love this scene because it's like we've seen the red coats marching. We've seen
them marching in time. We've seen them marching to the fife and drums, the British grenadiers.
And they're doing the same thing, except they're just walking straight towards a line of like,
I don't know, 100 French soldiers posted up with muskets getting ready to fire. And like,
they're doing the drums and the music. And they're just walking in perfect motion and perfect
time directly into like hails of gunfire. Yeah. Yeah. And it's crazy. Like,
that style of warfare that was like of, you know, like, of the define this era is like,
you would just march in perfect formation until you're about 10 yards away from like muskets
and bayonets pointed at you.
And then they fire more or less point blank range.
And in the first volley, as Barry's walk like marching towards the, you know, these French troops,
you see like half of the guys next to him just drop.
Yeah, yeah.
It took it, like, we needed guns and like gunpowder, at least in the West to be around for like
400 years before we came up with ideas like, oh, what if we hid behind something?
Like the American colonists who were like, oh, let's like get into trees.
Let's get into trees and shit.
They were like, they're like, that's cheating.
All the countries in the world should like kill these guys because they're cheating.
They're not just walking directly into it.
It's so funny to imagine like them hunting by doing the same thing.
Marching loudly towards a deer.
If you play with the better music.
Playing the drums.
Yeah.
the better music you play,
the bigger deer it attracts.
Go back a little bit, though,
to what you said about, like,
the perception that Kubrick films are like anti-human,
which I totally don't agree with.
I mean, they are,
they show the ugliest size of humanity, absolutely.
But I think,
I don't know,
I can't think of a single Kubrick movie
that is totally absent,
like absent,
absent any warmth
or like charity or
altruism or like
kindness. Well, okay, yeah, that one.
But that's like,
that's, you know, every
every, yeah, that's a movie about being
a bad guy. But
there's all the, all the, or
there's like a moment of like kindness
in there somewhere. Um,
right? They're like when they, when he
fucks the girl in the snow, that's
consensual. Yeah. See? Okay, I'm
right. But, but, but
even, but even in those like
microscopic moments of like
ultra, even like the smallest
moments like in this movie,
like what we're about to see
after this battle scene,
it makes those sing so much louder
because you see like just the fucking
horrific adivism that is at the core
of people that is being barely held back,
if at all. Yeah.
And yeah, like, so basically like,
you know like basically like he sees everyone die.
And like it, like I said,
it's almost funny.
Because they're drumming
and then it's just like,
the French fire of volley,
like I said,
like half of the people just dropped dead.
And they're not even firing.
They're just walking towards the bull.
And then like,
also like his,
one of his sort of presumptive father figure
is another captain,
Captain Robling,
who's a family friend
who serves in Captain Quinzer Regiment
and served as Barry's second
in the original duel.
He reconnects with Robling
and Roebling has to tell him
the joke of the first duel.
Yeah, yeah.
Which is that, once again,
so good.
His shithead cousins, like, when they loaded the pistols for both of them, Barry was like,
these aren't my guns and they're like, this one's fine.
But instead of loading a lead ball, they, like, loaded it with like a plug of toe.
So, like, you know, it's like shooting some of like salt or something.
Like it hurts.
But like it didn't kill Quinn because there were like, Robling's like, did you really think
your cousins were going to allow any chance that you were going to kill 1500 a year out of the thing?
Yeah.
And like, you know, he has to tell him, like, he's like, he asked him as like, how is Nora?
And like, you know, and she's like, well,
she's married now and he's like really to who
well she's like her name is Nora Quinn now
and he's like wait is there another Quinn
yeah he is really
Barry is not fast on the uptake
and the uncle is like fucking with him
like is truly like loves this
is like oh well this is gonna be good
when I tell him this like he's gonna love this
Barry is I mean I think
this is not
I think Barry Linden might be the best
MMA movie ever
it's okay like hearing out it's there's no real mMA in it except for like the scene with lord bolington
yeah yeah yeah we just talked about with super saint ryan o'neill but this is like what an mhm
fighter is like kind of like you could tell them all you could be like no your entire family lied to you
her last name is quinn we gave you bullshit pistols and you'd be umma fighter would still be like
oh i fucking kill that guy bear yeah no barry is like chuck ladle or someone so
So, yeah.
So he sees Captain Roebling die.
He carries him away.
There's a, you know, and again, this is a tender scene where Roeling says, kiss me, my boy.
We'll never see it.
Pause.
We'll never see each other again.
And so, like, once he gets his first taste of battle, one of my favorite.
And uncle lips.
Yeah.
They kiss on the mouth.
That's true.
Yeah.
That's the real popping the cherry.
Yeah.
Like, I mean, yeah.
Yeah.
Most of him.
Very finally becomes a man.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like, he sees him as much people die and then he kisses his uncle on the lips as he dies.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's like, I'm not a virgin anymore.
I finally have my first kiss.
Anyone can get pussy.
Anyone can fuck their hottest cousin before he gets sold to a guy.
It takes a real man to walk directly.
See all his guys walk directly into gunfire and then like slip your uncle some tongue.
Yeah.
That's an MMA thing.
Like, yo, my uncle was my first kiss.
What man?
No, I bet if they did his study, like, you know, top champions, all of them their first kiss was their uncle.
especially the Brazilians.
But like, after his first taste of battle,
we get one of my favorite moments of narration
in this movie, which I'm just going to bring it here.
It is well to dream of glorious war
and a snug armchair at home,
but it is a very different thing to see it firsthand.
After the death of his friend,
Barry's thoughts turned from those of military glory
to those of finding a way to escape the service,
which he was now tied for another six years.
Gentlemen may talk of the age of chivalry,
but remember the plowman,
poachers, and pickpockets whom they lead.
It is these sad instruments that your great warriors and kings have been doing their murderous
work in the world.
And like that to me gets to the humanism of this movie.
Yes.
Yeah.
This is what war really is.
It's like farm boys and thieves who just get like gang pressed into like walking into
gunfire at the behest of these chivalrous great and noble and honorable chivalrous men.
In a conflict that we just are simply like the seven years war, it was between England
and Prussia and Russia, France and Sweden.
It's like, why did they fight it?
Who fucking came?
It doesn't matter.
Yeah.
Not for the people doing it.
And then barely even for the people who started it.
Yeah.
This is just what human civilization does.
Yeah.
And I love it like later on when he's like pressed into the Prussian service when they're like the Prussian like the people.
The Prussians would just like kidnap people.
They make clear that by the end of the seven years of war, the Prussian like the officer class were Prussians.
But everyone they were commanding were just basically people from every nation of
Europe that had just been kidnapped and stolen and forced to be there into their army of torture
and then murder.
Yeah.
The entire are the entire like Prussian army around Barry Lyndon are people that were also in
the British army and also stole the officer clothes and also got caught.
Yeah.
Does anyone in history have like better PR than the Prussians?
Because like a guy, you know, the average idiot who's like, oh, I love history, you know,
the average on Twitter.
that you'd say Prussian, they're like,
military prowess and genius.
And it's like, they were just a bunch of fucking square-headed Polacks.
They were like Iron Islanders.
They were like,
they were just going around Polishly like,
hey, you're my war slave asshole.
Yeah, yeah.
Okay, so Barry's chance of escape comes
when he sees basically like,
it comes thanks to two gay guys.
Yeah, yeah.
Like, two officers and they're like way steep in the water.
And I love like the, like,
like the little bits of the conversation
going on between them that you hear
as Barry sees that he can steal
an officer's uniform and traveling papers
and they're like,
life would be so dreary without you.
Tiz! Tiz!
So, like, Barry, like, once again,
Larry's looking around.
I love when he looks around.
Once again, like, Felix, like you said,
a plan measured in milliseconds.
Like, he just sees the opportunity
and, like, he just jacks this officer's
uniform and traveling papers and horace.
And he just lights out across Germany.
And he's like, if I can make it across
the lines, I can get to, like, Holland
or something, like, an unaligned
country and, like, maybe he get back to Ireland or
something. And he has a pretty good go of it
for a while. I like when
he, like, he shacks up with that port, like, that
hot German woman and her baby.
And now, like, and that sequence, like,
Barry is not put in the
like the opposite. Like, he is almost, like,
has to play the role of father. Like, he gets, like, a
taste of what it would be like to be someone else's father
figure. Yeah. And, like, to play the role
of a husband for this woman. And,
You also get the impression that this is another kid without a father.
Well, yeah.
His father is off at war.
Well, I think that woman is lying because then the narration says afterwards, like...
She says, a lady who sets her heart upon a lad in uniform must prepare to change lovers pretty quickly, or her life will be but a sad one.
This heart of Leishon was likely, was like many a neighboring town and had been stormed and occupied several times before Barry came to invest it.
Yeah, literally...
She's been doing this with, like, French soldiers.
German soldiers.
Polish soldiers,
Russian soldiers.
This is just like an endless race
because like,
look, she's a woman on her own
with an infant in like war-torn Europe.
What the fuck else you're going to do?
She thinks she's an officer.
Yeah.
This was the closest thing
to social mobility for a lot of people.
You were like,
you were Eskimo brothers
with like a colonel
in the Prussian military
through this woman.
And I love that
the fake name that he gives
is literally Jonathan Fakenham.
my name is Lieutenant Jonathan Fakenham
Would that have to have been the name of the officer
Whose Papers he had Perloined
I
Perhaps I think I like to think that was literally like
Fakenham
Yeah yeah
And then
And Barry can read
Barry can read
He can read
He's gentry he can read
And but I love one of my favorite little details
That's super easy to miss
When she says goodbye to him
She kisses him and says goodbye Redmond
So obviously he fucked her
And was like
Look I'm not so
grand is all I've said.
He called out his own name.
And then like,
when it came.
Oh, Redmond.
Daddy Redmond.
Daddy Barry.
And like, yeah, so, so, uh,
Barry's desertion is like going pretty well for himself.
You know, he gets,
he gets dinner.
He gets laid.
Yeah.
He's got a horse and he's just like, you know,
gallivending across Europe.
He runs into a bit of a problem, though,
when he comes across a Prussian military officer who queries him.
And what I love Captain Potts.
him. I love this character.
Because he's wearing the blue coat.
Barry's in the red coat. And I love it
from like the instant they meet.
Like he is in deep shit
because this guy clocks him, as
happens many times in this movie, this guy
clocks him as a deserter instantly.
Immediately. Instantly. Potsam looks at him
and sees like a steak with legs.
He's like, I can get this guy
to do fucking anything.
Once again, we get like this
very menacing display of courtesy.
Yeah. And this exchange
of like sort of social custom and social status.
Because like Barry is a guy who in actuality
is quite a bit beneath Captain Pottsonam.
Yeah.
But like he's gotten away with pretending to be an officer for a while.
And he pushes it just too far.
Yeah.
Pottsam asks to see his papers and he's like, he's like,
do you mind if I ask?
Like where are you traveling?
And he's like, oh, like I'm going to Bremen.
Bremen.
And he's like, really?
He's like, you're going in the opposite direction.
Bremen is 10 miles back the way you're coming from.
He's like, oh.
in all my haste, like my adjutant, like,
didn't get prepared proper maps to the area from me.
And then he's like, no, no worry.
He's like, we're allies.
He's like, you'd be my honor.
If you could be my guest at dinner tonight
and we'll have proper maps of Bremen made up for you.
Yeah, yeah.
And he's eating, and like, he sort of like regales him
with like, he just keeps Barry talking with like,
as the narrator says.
So what's England like?
And Barry has no clue.
He's like, like, a flattery and, like,
charm and questions.
He just keeps like, and he says, like,
Barry tells him that his uncle is the British ambassador to Berlin.
Yeah.
And his name is O'Grady.
You know how bad, like this was until about, I would say what, like 1870, you could do this.
You could go anywhere and be like, yeah, I'm fucking this guy.
Like, if you didn't get too greedy, right?
If you were like, okay, for instance, if you were in, if you're an Irish guy in Germany, you were like, oh yeah, I'm a.
fucking doctor from Canada because
most Germans, even the
like literate once, they don't know what Canada's
like, they don't know what Canada's like.
But Barry's such a dumbass
that he's like, oh,
I'm actually this, the, related
to this guy whose name and face you know.
Yeah, yeah.
Got his name on just now.
Think how hard that would be to do in the 17th,
in the 18th century.
Your best friend, that's my dad.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm actually your brother.
I'm like, he finally gets them because he's like,
he's like, oh, like, who are you carrying, like, this message to him?
And he goes, oh, uh, General Williamson.
And then, like, that's the name does he has him.
And he's like, General Williamson, really?
He's like, yes.
And he's like, so you're, you're carrying official military documents to a general that died 10 months ago.
And then he's like, Sergeant?
And like, this is just the beginning of, like, another rise and fall in the first half of this story.
And, like, that always coincides with the introduction of another evil father figure.
Yeah, yeah.
We're like, now it's this Prussian military officer who makes Barry, as you said, his war slave.
Yeah.
And if you thought being in the British military sucked, like, they make good, because you see, like, the walking the gauntlet is like, it's like, like, they cut to the, like, to illustrate what being in the Prussian military is like, it's just like poor asshole shirtless walking through like, again, another formation of bodies of like guys on either side of him just cane his back.
and Barry is the one walking in front of him
with a musket pointed backwards.
Yeah, yeah.
Right in his chest.
And they make clear that basically like
Corporal punishment is like,
that's what they do in the Prussian military.
Like any officer can inflicted on you at any time.
Minor offenses, you would be caned in the gauntlet.
And that's like you have to walk past like 30 sets of guys
hitting you as hard as they can with a fucking cane on your back.
Yeah.
And then the more serious events,
they would mutilate or kill you.
Yeah.
And I love,
I love like in the battle scene
too at this point. It's one of my
favorite like sight gags in the entire
movie is when Barry's like in
the building and he's like
fire, he has his musket and he like
just like peeks out the window and then
like points the musket out the window and fires
into like a mass
of like 20,000 guys
that are like a mile and a half
away and it's like that's not going to do
anything. It's so funny.
Yeah. As we mentioned about the
depression service, he says
the narrator says at the close of the
years war, the army so renowned
for its disciplined valor, was officered
by native Prussians, but it was composed
for the most part of men from the lowest
levels of humanity, hired or
stolen from almost every nation in Europe.
Thus, Barry fell into the very
worst of courses and company, and was
soon very far advanced in the science
of every kind of misconduct.
This, Zell Disney
watches the scene, and he's like, this is
the type of military I want.
Like, this is what they're doing over
there. I like, like, I,
this is probably the greatest portrayal of Prussians ever in cinema.
That is, they are the official country of circumcised dryjacking.
It's just that they are a pointlessly painful and cruel society.
The modern day approach, or, you know, modern in the historical sense, Spartan.
Yeah, exactly.
And every sense of it.
Yeah.
And I love like, after the battle, after he saves the guy.
After he saves Potsdam.
Yeah, yeah.
Pots.
And, like, the colonel, like, brings everyone in and is, like, I just talked to the king, and he said, y'all did a great job.
He's so, he loves you guys.
That probably feels so good.
And to honor Barry for his heroic service and saving Captain Podstom, they're like, we give you two coins.
And, like, he comes out in front of the regiment, and then the colonel is just like, I'd like to everyone to be known that even though I'm giving you these two coins, I don't think very much of you.
and for all your skills, you will amount to nothing.
And he's like, thank you, sir.
Yeah, yeah.
He's like, I love the army more than anything, sir.
I love being Prudgeon.
He was like, he was like, I put, sir, he's like, I would go to hell if it served the
regiment.
Yeah.
So like the war ends and then like he finds himself basically like under the wing of Captain
Pottsdam and basically like is set up as like basically his adjutant in Berlin.
And like he is put it into the service.
of Pottsdam's uncle,
who's like the head of the ministry of police.
And basically, like, because he speaks English,
they put him in touch with, like,
what will become, I think,
like, the most consequential father figure
of him in this movie,
which is the Chevalier de Balibari.
Yeah.
Who is another Irish rogue and gambler
who's very close to the court of Vienna,
to, like, the king of Austria,
who is in Berlin,
and they suspect him of being a spy.
So they're like, okay,
we'll take, I'm going to take the dumbest guy I know.
Yeah, yeah.
A double agent for me in service to this, the Chevalier.
And I love one of my favorite, like, gags in the movie is when they're driving in a carriage to the Chevalier's place.
And he's like, you were, you have weakness in your loins.
That's why you're not in the war.
You were in this guy's unit.
Here's a letter from him.
Here's, like, all this info about yourself.
You don't speak English.
You.
And it's like, Barry is literally just.
like, the, uh, okay, could you say that again?
Like, he is just like, dead, staring dead straight out the window with a thousand
yard stare.
Like, you know none of this is getting through to him.
And true to form, Barry cracks instantly.
Because, like, you know, as the narration explains, like, you know, for someone who's
been not in their native country, someone who's sort of, essentially Barry is a prisoner
of the Germans, you know, he's like a prisoner who, like, you know, he's doing his best to
serve them.
but as soon as he sees the Chevalier, played by Patrick McGee,
and his noble bearing and his style and like his just his voice,
the voice of a fellow Irishman,
he cracks instantly and just spills the beans,
and then becomes a double agent for the Chevalier.
And like reports back to the Prussians,
but reports back the inconsequential details of his daily routine,
but nothing like actually,
and like he's speaking English to the Chevalier all the time
because, like, they basically, like,
he just spills the beans and the Chevalier's like,
who himself is a gambler and a rogue
is like this kid
I like this kid
Yeah yeah
This kid's got gum shit
This is one of my favorite scenes in the movie
When he just
He doesn't even like
Barry doesn't even give
Uh being shitty James Bond
Like a second order to that
Like he instantly burst into tears
Because again like he is a kid
He's a kid
And this is how this is why Prussia is not around
anymore. This is why Prussia
is like, you know,
let's be honest, mostly Poland
and part of
like, you know,
New Turkey, Germany.
I'm just kidding. I don't think that.
But anyhow,
because they see,
like anyone with any sense would see
this guy and be like this got, like,
if we send this guy to talk to
the oldest person we have around, which is
a 41 year old,
like he's just going to kiss him on the mouth.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's like this guy
needs a dad
so fucking bad.
He brought,
like,
people shit on
Ryan O'Neill's
performance in this movie
just because Ryan O'Neill's
like a bad guy,
which I don't think is fair to,
let's separate the actor,
actor from the acting,
okay?
He's not,
he's not a bad,
look,
like,
Tatum O'Neill
very bad to his daughter.
But like,
you know,
in preparing for today's episode,
I saw an account
from his son
who said that when he was 11,
his dad gave him cocaine
and made him do it.
So,
But a bad guy
Share his cocaine
That's cool as fuck
Yeah
Like cocaine's cheap
Like yeah
He was like boozy
Yeah
Yeah
But separate the actor
From the acting
I love like
I love this scene
I actually think
O'Neill does a great job here
With just the
He's had to keep up this like
Tough exterior
Like the way that you like
Keep yourself from crying
When you're like a six year old
Yeah
Yeah
when the vending machine is out of soda,
like whatever you cry about when you're six,
when you're just like you,
you were like physically fighting it.
Him do,
he does that,
he makes that he does that convincingly as an adult and then loses to it.
Yeah.
In a way that is,
again,
I can't picture anyone else paying,
plain Barry because,
obviously he is a rhinonyl type guy,
but like,
it's just,
no one else could sell this scene like that to me.
Yeah.
The palpable just,
like relief and almost like
begging for mercy with the
Chevalier is so you just
feel it on such a deep level.
Because like it's a huge gamble.
Like like by all accounts like he has no reason
to believe that this won't completely destroy
him by like. He could die from this. Yeah. They would
kill him like what the show he has no reason
to believe the Chevalier will be on his side.
Yeah. But like in fact he is and he takes him
under his wing and Barry begins his career
as a gamer. Yeah. A professional
gamer. Yeah. A gamer who
like I'd not
get too far ahead of ourselves, but like because
this is the 18th century,
when you do exploits, people are like
what I found your IP address,
I'm going to kick your ass, Barry is
the guy you sent. Yeah.
When they docks you.
Yeah. Barry's the one sending you messages
on Xbox live where you hit plays
a solo on electric guitar. Yeah.
Kill yourself. Well, no, no.
You, you're the guy who
is doing the solo. Yeah.
And because there are no SWAT teams yet, you can't
swap people. So you,
you someone. You show up to their
house and then Barry fucks you up.
Yeah. No streamer would be swatted if Barry was
around today by the way. And
through gambling the Chevalier
cheats at cards
a nobleman who is described as
Felix will enjoy this. A prince who had intimate
connections with the great Frederick.
Oh yeah. This guy
they are there are a lot of
suggestions that this guy has some sugar in the
tank.
They cheat this guy at Karez, and he's like, he's like, Chevalier.
Like, though I don't know how, like, I just know that you cheated me.
I'm like, I'm not paying this debt.
So, like, this becomes like for Captain Potsdam and his uncle, the minister of police,
this could be like a big incident because the shalloye, he's in close to the court of Austria.
So they're like, we can't allow him to challenge this prince or claim satisfaction.
And Barry lets him know that he will.
So they're like, we just have to get him out of the country.
and like this is the opportunity for Barry
to finally make his escape from the Prussians
and like he changes
like knowing that they're going to exile him from the country
he changes places
like he changes places with the Chevalier
and dresses like him with the eye patch and the wig
and then like as he leaves for his morning
carriage ride
the Prussian soldiers put him in a carriage and take him to the frontier
but they're actually taking Barry and like letting him escape
because the Chevalier went the night before
and so then him and his new father figure
are set loose on the continent
on the courts of continental Europe
to just gamble and cheat people.
The happiest part of the movie.
This is, like,
the salad days.
The scene really says like,
you know, like, he was like,
Barry found himself in the best of circumstances.
He was in places where play was patronized
and were professors of that particular science
where you could never not find a home.
We could never not find a place.
That's a great description.
He's a play scientist.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like on all the great courts of Europe,
all noblemen love to game.
I have my PhD in play player.
I'm a certified player.
I feel like when we were talking last night, you described the scene of like, again, like, these scenes,
one of the most famous things about this movie is its use of interiors that are literally
lit only by candlelight to create this like uncanny glow of like what life was like
before electricity.
But like to do that with film, this is the thing where he literally absconded.
with a camera lens that was
created by NASA.
Yeah.
To film like stars.
It's like a lens
it's the lens from an SR 71
Blackbird.
Yeah.
It's the largest aperture
of like any lens like ever used.
0.07 or 0.7.
Like it has to have this huge aperture
and like it's like this priceless piece
with technology that apparently like
you knew someone at NASA,
you know, from faking the moon landing.
Yeah.
He's always interested in camera technology
and they're like,
oh, like check out this cool thing.
And he was like, oh, can I?
can I see it?
They were like, yeah, sure.
And then he, like, just like took it and filmed Barry.
It's the Mr. Burns.
Mr. Burns.
Yeah, yeah.
Castro.
Pretty berry thing to do.
Yeah, yeah.
Like, that is,
hey, there's only one of these that exists.
Don't, like, take it to fucking Ireland to shoot your movie.
Okay.
Do not make Barry Lyndon.
Yeah.
It says that on the sign,
little print.
But, like, the aperture, the camera, the lens has to be so large to allow in, like,
the meager candlelight to make these, like, scenes that are just,
literally lit only with candles
as would have it happened,
would have existed in the 18th century.
That was what it was like.
If you wanted to stay up past,
I don't know, seven o'clock.
Yeah.
Well, I don't know, it's Europe,
so it gets dark a little later.
But yeah, like the, just the, like,
the beauty and the uncanniness
of the interior is shot only by candlelight
in this movie is really,
it's incredible.
It's unbelievable.
Yeah, there's, it's never,
like, you can't do it anymore.
Yeah, it's, it's jaw-dropping.
Like, it's like, it's something I don't think
has ever really been replicated in movies.
No, no.
NASA took their fucking lens back.
Well, no, no, the lens is actually, I saw it in a museum.
Like, there was like a Kubrick, like, exhibit at this, I forget which museum I was in, I think it was in, like, San Francisco.
But it was, like, a traveling exhibit, so it was, like, everywhere.
But Felix, I always, we were talking about this movie last night, and in particular this scene of, like, Barry and the Chevalier, like, doing their work.
Playing Bellotro.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
And, you know, like, they're sort of, the system of cheating and dueling.
We're like, you know, they're all the, although when playing with anyone of honor or title,
like they would never, they would always accept credit.
They would always play on credit and they would always accept promissory notes in lieu of gold.
But, like, you know, when the bill comes due, Barry is there with, you know, fencing sword at the ready.
Yeah.
And make sure that the debt is eventually paid.
And I love the guy who they take at cards who like, he's like, oh, just sweet, fatigé, like, allelu.
Like, and he's just like, like, I would like my de junei now and they're getting up.
And then Barry's just like, you don't mind signing this.
right? And he's like, of course not.
And I saw all these like these rich noble guys that they're like, they're taking,
they're cheating it cards.
They're just like,
that they think like owning anyone money is like violence to them.
Like they can't bear it,
especially someone who's not also nobility.
Yeah.
And they always will try to weasel out of it in any way.
But Barry is there as like the enforcer to once again,
engage in dueling as it means of like settling a dispute.
It is,
this is,
I could just,
I could watch 20 hours.
of just them doing this.
Of them going all over the continent,
just playing whatever
fucking, like whatever weird bullshit
games we have probably never heard of.
Games that probably died with these guys' bloodlines.
Yeah.
Against these hemophiliacs.
And whenever it gets dicey,
whenever someone's like,
hey, how come you,
you and the,
you and the one guy who isn't like as pale as a sheet in here,
how come you keep touching your noses looking at,
other.
Yeah.
Barry's like,
okay,
I'm on go.
It's time to lock in.
And he just has to beat the flock out of one of these little pansies.
Barry's not even like that great of a sword fighter.
And he's going up against guys who like presumably,
you know,
got tutored in fencing and shit.
But there's like the average European noble is so like fragile.
Barry is just,
Barry is a specimen.
Yeah.
He's like,
they probably talked about it.
They were like,
he was the first athlete on.
the dueling over cheating and gambling scene.
Yeah, yeah.
He brought,
he's the first guy brought athleticism there.
And Barry, like, Barry's,
he, like, he could have fucking,
with, like, real blades,
he would have been a warlord from what we see in this scene.
He really fucking owns these guys.
Yeah.
But, like, you describe watching that scene as, like,
you described it, like, invoked a feeling in you
like from childhood of, like,
like getting a Coca-Cola or something?
Yeah, that's, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's, there is this,
I hate the fucking, I try to avoid, uh,
the language everyone uses for this type of stuff.
I think it's, this is like what Kino means, people say,
and it's fucking stupid because like you'll see people,
you know, someone will be like, oh, I just made the nine billionth fucking shitty
YouTube documentary about Chris Chan.
Yeah, people would be like, Kino.
and it's like, okay, it's another word that means nothing now then
and was stupid to begin with.
But there is a specific feeling you get from like watching.
It's not just something that's like great
because there are great things I watch that don't give me this feeling.
But like the only thing I put it up against was like
season five of the Subranos.
Which I wouldn't even necessarily say is my favorite season.
It's up there but like I don't know if it is my favorite.
but for whatever reason there is a confluence of like
the way that it is shot and put together and edited
the confluence of the song choices
the composition specifically and the performances
that just give you this feeling of comfort where
you know we we've had this conversation before how like
the concept of the afterlife is horrifying because anything for eternity is horrifying
but I could deal with watching this for eternity.
If the eternity of this existed,
I could deal with that because it is just
the feeling of palpable comfort and luxury
you get out of like a 34 ounce pebble cup
filled with Coke heavy as a child.
Yeah, that's what, watching these scenes
is the adult equivalent.
It's, I really, I could,
I could be like Howard Hughes
and just spent four years like in a permanent movie theater
watching, you know,
if they have four years
worth of these scenes
in Islamic Evan.
So yeah, like,
it makes quite a career
for himself as a gambler,
but like here is where the movie
like, the entry to part two
begins with the introduction
of Lady Lyndon.
And one of my other favorite narration
but moments in the movie
as he sort of like first sets eyes
on Lady Lyndon who was married
to like this ancient gout sufferer.
Paul Rubens and 30 Rock, basically.
This is another way that he's like a John Singleton character.
Or, uh, fuck, God, I, the dad from Friday.
John Witherspoon.
John Witherspoon. John Sincleton directed the movie.
I'm sorry.
Everyone.
Yeah, F. Gary Gray directed Friday.
Wait, what?
Yeah, yeah.
Singleton directed Boys in the Hood.
Wow, that's not technically raised.
Like, well, it's something what I did there.
But when I said John Singleton, I meant.
to say that yeah he's like
John Witherspoon in Friday
and this is another way that he's like
John Witherspoon because he basically
Barry's next come up he does
some real
like you know the Irish for slaves
to do stuff
Barry does social mobility by playing
the dozens. Yeah
a one-sided game of the dozens
because this guy does not have shit for him.
He basically kills a guy by mocking him
too hard. Yeah yeah
he fucking owns this guy. This guy
This guy, basically, for all intents and purposes, this is like another hemophiliac aristocrat who is just like beamed up by a Star Trek tractor beam and dropped into a barber shop in Bronzeville and Chicago.
That's basically what fucking happens to him.
But it's a tutorial boss that he like, this is how you kill someone with your words.
If you're a black barber, this is like, yeah, this is your undead asylum level is this guy.
wheelbarrow. He's like sitting in a
fucking wheelbarrow basically.
He fucking push him in.
It's just like remedial
making fun of white people class for barbers.
I have the hottest wife you've ever seen and she wants to fuck you.
What are you going to say to me about it?
Lord Linden, like the guy he's seeking to replace.
Like he cuts on Barry because he's like,
have you done with my lady yet, sir?
And he's like, I don't know what you're talking about.
And he's like, come, come.
I'm a man who'd rather be known as a cuckold than a fool.
And it's like, you've already lost.
Great start.
Yeah, right.
Start.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't know how this guy got this far.
This is how he starts off.
And he's like, he's like, how nice does I approach you on in my life that my wife likes me so much that she's preparing for my departure?
And he's like, he's like hacking.
And very close him falling out.
It's like, he coats him up by just like, basically like his comeback is.
like, sir, let those who laugh be the ones who win.
And then he walks away and the guy just dies.
He's not even that good at roasting people.
He's not smart enough.
The two times he roast people and it like works in this movie, it is the guy who's just
a bigger, dumber berry.
And this, like a guy who has 37 seconds to live and just announce the entire room
that his wife is two-timing him.
But the narration to introduce this section.
from the movie I love. Five years in the English and Prussian armies, plus considerable experience
of traveling the world, had by now dispelled any of those romantic notions regarding love with which
Barry commenced life. And he had it in mind, as so many gentlemen had before him, to marry a woman
of great fortune and condition. And as such things so often happened, these thoughts closely
coincided with his setting sight upon a lady who would henceforth play a considerable part in the
drama of his life, the Countess of Linden.
And like,
and she is a dime,
she's fucking hard.
Marissa Berenson,
who plays the Countess of Lyndon,
the seduction scene
where it's another one of these
lit by candlelight,
and she's sitting at the gambling table
with her awful Licksbill chaplain,
the Reverend Runt.
Yes, and it's just straight out of a van like painting.
And I love this scene,
because you get one of the great uses
of music in this movie,
which is Schubert's piano trio and E-flat.
And it's just like the,
it's like the culmination
the building of this piano.
And it's them blocking eyes across the gambling table.
And no words are exchanged between them at all.
And it's like the scene is so long.
And it's like, it's so quiet as she like walks outside and stands out there alone.
And it holds on her for so long until Barry, you see him like remove himself from the table
and come outside and like approach her and kiss her.
And it's like in that moment of seduction that like a kind of shallow lust and desire
between them is like culminates in that moment.
But it is really like it's the cruel.
and coldness endemic in this movie
because it really is the only moment
of actual war between them for the rest of their lives.
Yeah, yeah.
Like, because what Barry does is essentially like
this beautiful young woman who's married to, like,
Lord Gout.
Yeah, he's like, teeth are falling out of his head.
Like, he's got to use fake moles to cover the real moles,
like on his fucking face.
He's wearing, he's wearing, like, face makeup that's, like,
probably, like, powdered cyanide or whatever they were using back in.
The natural, like, un-makeup texture
his skin is like a lays potato chip.
It is like totally translucent.
He cannot like if you brought in to a too big of a candle into that house,
he'd be like,
Ah, too much light.
I'm fucking dying here.
This is like the kind of setup by the way.
Like to be fair to Barry's family,
we made fun of them a lot for,
you know,
we've got to sell pussy to get out of this mess.
This was basically like what you did back that was like,
if you instead of owing
4,000, you owe 400,000
this is the kind of like
pussy selling, your family engages in.
This is like you lost a war.
And you have to like the hottest woman
ever in your family,
you have to marry her off to the grossest guy
that they can find.
But the narration does make clear
that Lady Lyndon's family is also incredibly wealthy.
Yeah.
Like she's not like that.
That's the thing about Lady Lyndon is that
unlike Barry, who is a figure who, like I said,
is always arriving.
Yeah.
And as we see in the second half of the movie,
can never bit in with the true aristocracy.
Like his,
the peerage side quest goes so badly for him.
Because, like, he's not one of them and will never be.
Whereas Lady Lyndon is someone who's inertia,
who's like static position is what signals her legitimacy in this world.
So you think it was maybe the reverse?
No, no, no.
Like the, like the dead, uh, he,
he used to be really.
hot when his family was deeply in debt.
I think it was just like, I'm kidding.
I think it was just like two very wealthy families
becoming even more.
No, I know. I know. I like the idea
that he was like three years ago.
He was fucking sexy.
And then he got like a staff infection and they didn't know how to treat it.
Basically,
Barry is putting himself in like his cousin Nora's position.
Like yeah.
This is my family does.
I'm selling dick though.
Yeah.
I'm going to good dick on back page.
Oh my God.
Yeah.
No.
He is.
This is the jury.
The Hustlers Progress.
Yeah.
A Pilgrim's Progress.
This movie actually should be called the Hustler's Progress.
Yeah, yeah.
He says, like, you know, and after, after like, I love the line by the narrator,
I said like, you know, like after their first, whatever, first meeting, Barry found
innumerable occasions for them to increase their intimacy.
I mean, Barry is, this is another Sopranos connection, by the way.
Barry is constantly like showing up at the tail end of things, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Not always in a bad way.
It does sometimes work out in his advantage.
He's showing up to be a war slave, which is a bad thing.
But at the tail end of that and he gets an out here.
I mean, also just he's showing up to aristocracy when it's got like not that much time left.
Like really it just did it.
The French Revolution is like.
right after this events of this movie,
like a few,
like a decade or so after.
Yeah, yeah.
And this is like,
you know, again,
it's a coin flip,
whether it's good or bad.
He shows up here right literally
when this guy has seconds to live
and he can sell dick.
Yeah.
He like,
he is,
and his,
all,
like another reason why I love
all the fucking gambling
and fighting montage.
That is like,
he's like Goku and the hyperbaric
chamber, but for training to like finally slings some dick.
Yeah, yeah.
He's learning like social skills in there.
Finally.
And then he is just, he is about to fight free, Friza in the form of this woman's
pussy.
Yeah, yeah.
And like, this is like, the scene where he like, he's trunks coming in.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The scene where he mocks Lord Lyndon to death is like the last scene right before we get into
the intermission and like the second part of this movie.
but like very hard very easy to miss but the last line you hear right before it goes to the intermission
as lord linden is like coughing himself to death is one of his friends around the table goes
have some brandy sir charles and then it's he oh my god those are his friends he's like someone
get a surgeon and the surgeon comes like i brought some brandy that was like 90% of like medicine
to be treat any ailment or injury in like the 18th century was like have some brandy i i always
joke about like, I always joke about the idea of a horse doctor in like old times.
It's just like a guy who has a gun.
Any guy who has a gun.
Like, it's just like.
It is amazing that any of a, like humanity survived.
Right?
Like it's fucking insane.
And one of my favorite gags about this is when, when it goes to intermission, it's a slow fade out.
And it like a slow fade.
it slowly fades out on the
narrator eulogizing
Lord Lindian.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We don't give a fuck about that.
Oh, you're the final insult.
This is like the end of the...
Changing the channel on the TV
when it's like a news story about him.
One note about the actual
intermission cart in this movie.
I took Catherine to see this movie
very early in our relationship.
And I was like,
this is one of my favorite movies.
I've never seen in the theater before.
This is going to be awesome.
So like as soon as the, like literally you see intermission on the screen,
I turned to Catherine and I'm doing like the Nicholson nod.
I'm like, amazing, right?
And she just looks at me like, you motherfucker.
Like how the fuck?
She's like, this is.
It's twice to say,
I'm not a fan on her first viewing.
I started to see Barry Linden and Crum
early on in our relationship.
Just to be like, this is a preview of things to come.
If you want to get off the train now,
this leaving the station.
I always love that about you that you showed her crumb.
That's awesome.
I guess for me,
they'd be showing,
you know,
any of the women I dated,
also she wolf,
BSS.
Yeah,
this is what I've seen,
yeah.
Now we return to like
the fatalism of this movie
and like,
as you said,
like the sort of almost Calvinism
of the movie where it puts you as the viewer of the movie
in the position of being the god
that Calvinism describes.
Yeah,
yes.
Because, like, part two begins with, like, the title card that says,
containing an account of the misfortunes and disasters which befell Barry Wendon.
And it's like, well, yeah, once again, it's like, nothing you can do or feel in your life as an individual is really is knowable to other people, nor is it even knowable to yourself.
Yeah.
But the thing is, God has already determined.
God, the society you're born into, your genetics, like, whatever.
Like, that is fate and like, fate always wins.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And also, this is just everything that happens in this, like, final, like, I said this in our conversation last night.
I haven't said it on the episode yet, though.
I guess like third of the movie, this is just while referencing the runtime.
I have never seen a movie this long.
I think, like, 185 minutes.
Yeah, it's like almost four hours.
Yeah, nearly four hour movie.
It's three and a half hours.
I have never seen a movie this long that just fucking flies by.
I remember I had gotten to this point in the movie and I went up to pause it because I was going to do something and I saw that there were like, God, like an hour left and I thought, oh, holy shit.
It is, it's not even, it's not even like this is like a breezy or light movie.
It is just, it is just that that feeling of the perfect confluence, that perfect office.
that perfect audio visual performance,
a confluence,
it just goes down so fucking easy.
And you think, like,
this movie is often described
as difficult to watch
because of like,
I don't know,
probably like how much,
how ADHD everyone is now,
but this movie really does put you in
the kind of like,
the rhythms of life of the 18th century.
And like the fact that like,
there are long stretches,
like without dialogue,
there's like,
but it's the music in the movie.
It's the soundtrack to the movie.
that does really all the heavy lifting
of pushing you through it
and like the sort of,
like the quiet
and the slowness of life
is nonetheless animated
and incredibly propulsive.
Like it's incredibly hypnotic.
And I think it's just like,
it speaks to like the really,
just the uncanny ability
of Stanley Kubrick as a filmmaker
to like,
to do like two seemingly impossible things
at the same time.
Which is like, on the one hand,
ground a modern audience in the kind of
the glacial rhythms of a completely different century
of like of an almost alien world but at the same time like
through music and then like through the images itself like low you
into this dreamlike state where of which like the passage of time
you don't really even experience it yeah yeah yeah I don't
I don't even know I like gun to my head
why exactly does it flow by so quickly I don't think
I could answer that. I mean, obviously it is like the
confluence of all these things, but like
what specifically is that? I mean,
I think the, you can
owe it enormously to
the music because the experience
of watching this, especially for the
first time, it is like
being led in an elaborate
dance and you just get, you
kind of fall into a rhythm and you
you get lost into it.
But this here, like I guess
final like third or so of this movie,
this is really, really,
this really challenges the old truism.
It is better to have loved and lost.
This movie takes that saying and goes,
oh, really?
So part two opens with Barry basically like
as high as he's ever going to be.
He has married the lady Lyndon.
He has been given the name,
Lyndon, the style and title of Barry Lyndon.
And they're married by the like, you know,
hurt like the awful Licksbittal chaplain, the Reverend Runt.
And I love, like, in the sermon delivered for marriage, like, as he's married,
as the Lady Lyndon is married off to this, like, straight up fuck boy.
Yeah.
The whole sermon that the Reverend gives is about how marriage is an important institution to, like,
bridle men's carnal bestial desires to fornicate.
Yeah.
To, like, a holy purpose.
And he says, to satisfy a man's carnal appetites, like brute beasts, who have no understanding.
but instead to be taken into reverently, discreetly, soberly, and in the fear of God.
Like, this is the only time it's okay to have sex.
Reverently, discreetly, and soberly and in the fear of God.
Yeah, yeah.
Sounds great, man.
Sounds fucking great.
You got to be scared when you're fucking.
This chaplain character, by the way, he is one of the, I didn't expect for there to be so many sopranos parallels, but it really makes sense.
I mean, it's, this is the original father, Phil Intentola.
Yep.
This asshole.
Yeah.
This guy.
And what I love about their wedding is that it is obvious to everyone but countess,
Lady Lyndon, what's going on here.
It's obvious to her seven-year-old son who she had with Charles Lyndon, the previous,
the Lord Lyndon, the bog to death guy.
And we'll get to him, he's a done.
Okay.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm wrong.
Lord Bollington is the hero of.
the movie in my
I think I'm gonna
we'll get into this but it's like
I found myself on Barry's side
so often. Yeah yeah yeah yeah.
I think this is like kind of a younger
child, youngest child versus
oldest child. Like as a youngest child
I kind of like identify
Lord Bullington as the enemy.
Yeah, yeah.
What a pity
I'm just imagining Sam saying to you, what a pity
it is for your sake that I'm not dead.
we'll get at the scene where they're trying to study
I was I was I was little
I was a little Brian
I was a little Brian
I don't like
So like he's married into this like
this very wealthy noble house
Um
and I like
And there's a scene where like
They're they've been married
And they're both in carriages like going back to her castle
And I love like it sets the tone for what they're married
He's going to be like
because he's smoking a pipe in this, like, tiny carriage.
And his wife is, like, what's not vaping?
This pipe you have ever seen.
She's like, she's doing the, like, you know, the sort of fake cough, like,
like, ha, like, trying to, like, wave away the smoke.
And she goes, like, I'm sorry, honey, like, do you mind?
And he just turns straight into her and blows smoke straight in her face.
Yeah.
Like, what the fuck is he doing?
He doesn't even, like, it would be so easy.
That, that is, you can't even really do that with this movie.
Be like, oh, Barry, why don't you act normal?
Because then, like, you know, what is the point in?
of this movie.
Yeah.
The asshole who became normal.
That sucks.
But it's like,
there are so many parts where it's like,
if he just was like 7% less of a stupid asshole,
he could ride this out for a.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
He would have it fucking made,
but he is just,
at these crucial moments where it's like,
Barry,
don't be like pointlessly obstinate.
He's like,
have some smoke,
you dumb bitch.
Yeah,
because like he,
he,
you know,
like as someone,
who has had any romantic notions of love
dispelled from him, this name
is like a totally mercenary act.
And as soon as the marriage is completed
and also, crucially, that she bears him
with son, like he has no reason to treat her
like a human being whatsoever.
Yeah, I mean, it is, that is a great summation
of various character, though.
He considers himself, like, incredibly wise for have,
he's gone through the ringer and he sees...
He sees society for what it really is.
Right, in the Kubrickian sense of having all
the veneers stripped away and sees what a mercenary
you must become to, you know,
rise up through the muck and the mire.
Yeah, to advance your social station.
But, yeah.
But because he's still a fucking dumb asshole,
he doesn't realize that all the guys who have successfully
done that, they still, you have to keep up
the act, like a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, they
actually, they even say it like
Barry was good at, like, securing
a fortune, but not good at keeping it.
The same quality as that compel a man to
earn a fortune are often those
what destined him to lose it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It reminds me, what's that great Connor O'Malley video where he's like, everyone's a bug?
Oh, he's like, look at these fucking slums.
And he falls in love with the woman.
Yeah, yeah.
One of my favorite videos of all time.
But that is, like, Barry is like, at this point in the film, he is like Connor O'Malley's character at the start of that, where it's just like, oh, yeah, all this.
I see through your laws and politics.
And it's like, okay, well, maybe don't announce that to everyone, Barry.
It would be so funny if he started dressing like the Matrix.
like
sunglasses
every guy.
Because like
really it is
such a good
character thing
because it's just
like if he
anyone who like
whose dad
didn't get
fucking smoked
over a horse
like they would have
enough
they would be like
yeah
these rules are
stupid and
protect like
property
but you can
exploit them
but Barry is
like
he's such a
spiteful child
that he's like
oh by
blowing smoke
in my wife's
face
and just like
fucking
immediately
making an enemy out of Lord
Bullington,
I am like owning these rules.
Yeah.
When in fact he is spelling his own doom.
Well, yeah, exactly.
Because like,
because Barry thinks he's someone
and he's like,
I see through the all.
Like,
I'm seeing the ones in the zeros.
Yeah.
I've risen up from like
the lower gentry
to like living in a castle.
Like I've been Lyndon now.
I've acquired the style and title.
It's like,
I see through it all.
But what he doesn't realize
in the second half of the movie
is that everyone sees through him.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's like, I could not be more transparent.
Like his seven-year-old stepson
sees through him immediately
because like in the other carriage,
it's Reverend Runt and the young Lord Bullington
who's like a seven or eight at this point
and then like Reverend Rund's like,
what, you don't like, you don't like your new father?
And like the seven-year-old kid clocks him immediately.
He's like, no.
He's like, I think he's a common opportunist
who doesn't love my mother even at even the slightest bit.
I think that he's like,
I think that's Barry Lyndon that just married my mom.
Yeah, yeah.
I also love that, like, it's his failure to become a father at all to this, like, to this kid that
kind of...
Melancholic child.
Yeah, that kind of spells his undoing.
And he says, like, I've tried to be your friend.
Like, it's a good later.
For real line taken for Ryan O'Neill's life, by the way.
Yeah.
I love, I also love, like, he is, like, this is his biggest beef is with, like, a child.
It gets very funny
This is his op
Yeah
It's very fucking funny
But it's like
Yeah
Lord Bullington sucks
But it is so easy
To get on a kid
Like that's good side
Yeah
I mean now it's too easy
Like just get him
The Catcher in the Rye or something
Yeah
For that kid
That is like
If they had jeans
And T-shirts at this time
That is like
I have never seen a more
T-shirt
Into his jeans type kid
Than little Lord Bullington
If you are
in this situation now and you have a
Bullington Stepson. Get him
like, you know, the dumbest
fucking Hitler biography you can find at the airport
bookstore. Get him like
Hitler, the dictator of evil.
I'm going to be like, I love history.
But Barry could
get him like a globe or something.
I don't know what kind of gives you got these kids
back then. A spy glass. Yeah, but
he's such an idiot that he's like, oh,
why don't I teach you how to
like steal a pussy in a village?
Like all this stuff that he has no use
war.
Well, I mean, like, but like, the young Lord Bullington, like, does to Barry what Barry was doing
with the people in, like, the first half of this movie, which is just insulted people out
of nowhere and, like, start shit.
Yeah.
Because, like, you know, like, Barry gets mad at, like, a seven-year-old because he won't kiss
him on the cheek.
And they're like, he's most like, like, Lord Bullington, you've insulted your father.
And then the seven-year-old goes, ma'am, you insulted my father marrying this shit.
Yeah.
And then that's what, like, that's when Barry's, like, you know,
To maintain appearances, he's like, can I have a word of a young Lord Bullington in the other room?
And then he canes him like he's in the Prussian army.
Yeah.
And it's like a weirdly sexual kind of like the motion of the kid against the like deaths and like very and the payoff of it like later on basically is like it's very like he's like humiliating the kid like in this like weird.
He's like this sort of like ritualized performance of cruelty.
Yeah.
Yeah.
this is very
again why Ryan
O'Neill's a perfect choice
the greatest
anti-introspective character
of all time
okay
how do I like
keep this kid in line
what's that institution
I betrayed this second
I got a silver
of an opportunity
okay I'll use their techniques
yeah
I'm like you know
he has his own son
with the Countess Lyndon
and like some time passes
and like Lord Bullington
is now a young man
played by Leon Vital
and one of my favorite performances in this movie
is the grown-up.
He's very good.
Oh, yeah.
And Leon Vitale was Kubrick's long time, like, assistant.
Like, he first worked with him on this movie,
and then he worked with them on every movie he made subsequent.
And he is also the leader of the masked ball in Eyes Wide Shut.
Oh, really?
He never see his face, but that is his voice.
That's cool.
The kid who plays Brian Linden is,
he became a techno musician and signed to R&S records in the 90s,
in the late 80s, early 90s.
I'm like, that's fucking dope, dude.
But, you know, like, there's a, they have a birthday party for, for Brian.
And you see, like, the narrator lets you know that, like, over the years, Lord Bullington's
hatred for his stepfather was matched only, was matched only in this intensity by his
devotion to his mother.
Yeah.
And he's a real mother, mama's boy, like, who, like, despises his awful stepfather.
Yeah.
And I love, I love that, like, even the mom is, like, this kid's a dud.
Yeah, yeah.
kid is like has bad vibes.
But then like Barry brings his own mother to live with them.
And Felix,
he pointed this out like another like Mr.
no self-awareness.
Like as someone who's like,
oh,
I've mastered society.
I've made the come up.
Yes,
that was a mother explained to him that like,
um,
like you've gone really far in life.
Like you live splendidly.
But like if your wife dies tomorrow,
like you have nothing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And there's like a 100% chance of your wife dying like childbirth.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because like all of the,
the title, like the estate, everything, the lands, the money, all the income that is accrued
by being gentry, all of it will pass to Lord Bonington, who despises you.
Yeah.
Like, think about your, it's not like he's a commoner and he needs, like, you're gentry.
Like, you should know this.
Yeah.
And you've spent a few years here.
Like, he's such a shithead.
His mom needs to, like, come to work with it.
Work is being in the castle.
Yeah.
And be like, hey, shithead, we'd, uh, we'd, uh, we'd,
still we were still living in
kind of mercantilism
and there's still aristocracy
can you imagine that can you imagine
if you were like 34
and you marry a woman who works
at I don't know like open AI or some shit
she makes all this money
and you're
you for the first time you have
one of those weird workout things
that LeBron uses was a big flat TV
with those like ropes
those stupid things like people
the billion dollars
have you're doing that all day
but you signed a pre-nup
and your mom has to come live with you guys
in your big stupid modern
architecture house in Miami and she's
like you realize
like you have to like keep fucking her
yeah if she divorces you
she's gonna take your workout TV
she's gonna kick you out of here
you're gonna live with me again and you're like
oh no you have to get her birthday
and anniversary tattooed on you like momentum
or else you're gonna forget it
it's like yeah Barry
all the barriers throughout history
like caveman Barry's
mom had to come to his cave
and be like Barry we live in caveman times
you have to keep hunting
he has to keep being reminded
what period of history he's in
his mom's left to know that like the only thing
that will actually protect him and his son
is a title
is joining the peerage
like being like a lord or a duke
and this is where Barry begins like
one of the many great like failed side quest
in this movie
peerage quest
yeah it's so fun
money. Basically,
his, like, this guy
tells him, like, here's how you get a title.
What you have to do is just, like,
give away all your money.
You have to be, like, you have to become friends
to the guy who's, like, really close to George
the third. And, like, this is the Lord Wendover.
And I love him, like, he's being introduced
to the word Wendover. And Lord Wendover says
of him and the people he knows or the people
that he chooses. He's like, it's like,
the people I, like, people who associate with me
are quite simply the best people.
not in the sense that they are the most handsome,
the wisest, or even good in any way.
But what I mean about them
is that there are people for whom
there is simply no question.
There is no question about them.
They are the right kind of people.
So he begins to like,
and like these guys must see like
what a fucking sucker Barry is.
And they're like,
oh, like you're gonna have to like
throw lavish parties and balls constantly.
You have to buy all this land.
You have to purchase all these paintings.
And I love the scenery as being shown
these paintings.
And he goes like,
and like, this is the adoration
of the mess.
and Barry goes, I love what the artist has done with the color blue here.
And I love the guy's response.
It's like, yes.
Quite right.
Yeah.
Quite right.
It is a good color.
There's a great musicality to this movie.
This is like Barry, this is real, this is some real contrapassos.
Yeah.
This is, Barry is now in a 10th layer of hell where everyone he knows is him and the Marquis.
and he's the asshole.
Yeah.
He's the guy who, like,
is topping off Frederick the grave.
Yeah.
And he's just getting owned.
He went up a tier in Rainbow Sixth siege
and now everyone's better than him.
Yeah, no, that is exactly it.
That is exactly it.
Go, can you please fix my matchmaking?
I'm getting owned here.
Like, in service of his quest for title,
like, he just, like, ruins the Linden Estate
and plunges him into, like,
just like, an undembourged.
payable debt forever, essentially.
They will never make enough pussy.
Lord Bullington, they could not sell his day.
That dick is not worth shit.
You can give that dick away. Yeah. Yeah.
Another great piece of narration is like the camera is panning across this like huge table lit by
candlelight. And it's just like, you know, huge like lavish dinner party. And the narrator says,
bribes were administered and in high places too. So near the royal person of his majesty that you
would be astonished to know what great nobleman condescended to receive his loans
no him yeah that guy stole money from barry linden and he's he's taken about like the true true
upper crust of british society by lord wendova and there's i love the scene where he's in a
receiving line and he meets king george the third yeah and it's like you know it's one of those
things like there's a whole line and again another like geometric construction of people and
these like sort of fake like artificial like social customs dictate like you know how your
body and individual unless just like the king is going down the line and receiving all these
people it reminded me a veep but yeah yeah and like lord wendover like wonderful to see you again
like and how is the lady and go wonderful sir and he's like oh like may i introduce barry linden
like and they're like um like the like the king's body man goes lord linden just raised a
regiment of men to cross the seas and fighting the colonies against the rebels
against His Majesty's Royal Authority.
And then King George looks at him and goes,
good, good, raise another one
and go with them.
Oh, man.
Get the fuck out of my face, dude.
Man, whoa.
The British were never going to win that one.
You were sending berries, guys.
It's literally like,
Lord Lyndon just sent a bunch of guys
to the penal colony in Australia.
Good, you should go there too.
You belong there.
You're getting that.
seem like just like the how remote he is from like actual power yeah and yeah mobility and like
he like it's just like guys like him there's a million of them yeah there's a million of guys like this and
like that's precisely what it means to someone like king george the third raise another company and go
with them this is how you keep this thing going yeah for like finance capital yeah yeah is you have enough
asshole strivers who will like, you know, trick their stable boys' 13-year-old son into going and
dying to a son of liberty. Yeah, they all die on the boat over. Yeah. Because there's not enough
like hard tack for them to eat. And Barry's, Barry's peerage quest really just completely goes
to ruin with an explosion of violence at his stepson, which is once again...
He sequence broken. Yeah. Yeah. Which is once going to set it up again because Barry canes him,
once again as an adult this time
Yeah, it's so humiliating.
That is, that is such a good
central joke to this, by the way,
that it's like, okay,
we're not Prussians. Like, it's one thing
to cane a seven-year-old,
but an adult?
Yeah, yeah. That's not allowed.
He even says the first time, like, I've never
cain to Lord, but I will...
I shall become accustomed to the practice if you fake me.
Yeah. Yeah. And then, but
like, see, Lord Bullington, he certainly
is a dud, because, like,
Leon Vitale, like, he looks sickly.
Like, he's sickly, miserable person.
But, like, I mean, I don't know.
I feel for him because of these horrible stuff.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
But Lord Bullington does stand up for himself,
and he does it in quite, in great style
by ruining his mom's music recital.
Yeah, yeah.
And it's another one of these things Barry has arranged
for all of, like, the rich nobility
and his friends to impress them.
And his steps and ruins it by walking into the recital
while his mother is playing, like, the harpsichord.
With Brian wearing his shoes.
So they're clopping around.
Yeah.
And he says, like, doesn't he fit them well, mother?
And, like, he causes this huge thing where, like, his mother rejects him.
He's like, you know, like, I bore you as much love as any mother could, like, for someone
like you.
And then, like, he in front of, like, all of high society just puts Barry on absolute blast.
Yeah, he's like, the berries of Berryville.
He's like, the illustrious blood of the berries of Berryville.
And he's like, basically says, a great burn.
No more.
Like, he's like, I'll accept.
Like, he's like, I cannot bear it to, like, to see this man.
insult you and like like his it's not too so much his uh his thuggish behavior and his open swindling
of my family's fortune and properties but it is boorish and ungentleman like treatment of his
ladyship of your ladyship himself with his open infidelity and just like this guy is a fraud
a con artist a swindler who's like dogging you out constantly and like now beating me yeah yeah
and then like and what i love is that in that moment lord bollington is the asshole who is broken
every social custom.
And if Barry had just kept his fucking powder dry,
he would have, like, he would have been the good guy.
Yeah, right, right.
But instead, he just blows up and out of nowhere,
just beats the shit out of his stepson.
And people's powdered wigs are flying everywhere.
Women are screaming.
He's just pummeling this poor asshole.
Barry is, like, he is constantly, like,
rolling bad spot checks.
Yeah, yeah.
He's constantly rolling like a two.
There are so many moments where it's like,
okay, if you stop fucking up here,
like you got it made.
but he's like, like, Bear, I would love to see Barry's decision tree.
Yeah, like his disco-alisi of, like, voice in his head.
Like, and then, like, as the narrator says,
if he had murdered Lord Bullington,
Barry could have scarcely been received with more coldness.
I love the scene that follows this is so good.
Okay, so yeah, it's like, Lord Wendover is going to eat at, like,
the one restaurant that exists in England.
Yeah, try the worst beast.
And they're like, Lord.
bully like you see lord of lord wendover come in they're like oh lord wendover wonderful let's see you again
he's like will you be dining alone today and he's like yes just myself and they sit him down at a table
and then barry is like over in the corner and he comes over he's like lord windover it would honor me
if like you just if you like i see you're here alone would you please join me and he goes oh i could
barry it but i'm you see i'm meeting someone yeah and then he's just like oh no matter
no matter like the lady linden and i are having some guests over like later we'd love it if you
good a 10. He's like, well, I'll just check my schedule. But like, basically, at this moment,
all of his highborn, like all the people he'd been bribing and trying to impress to get this
peerage, just give him the high hat. He becomes like radioactive to them.
He was just, he's social suicide forever. And he's like, the narrator says, a legend of his cruelty
to his stepson grew. Yeah. And all hard that he used to do in like 1760. Yeah. Yeah. And I love that
like at that point too
it's like all the
like all the people he
gave money to are basically like
we're gonna need you to pay that right now
like every single person all the creditors all
like all the notices come like come do
at the same time yeah yeah
I'm like he's just like trapped
yeah I love his money man like
it shows him like sweating he looks like
dog shit you notice this the guy who plays
the solicitor the guy who's present
like the sort of Barry's
end but like where
he has to sit there and just have his wife sign all of these notes to creditors.
Yeah.
And it's like the solicitor, do you recognize you plays this solicitor?
No.
It's the guy who plays Grady and The Shining.
Oh, period.
It's the guy who plays Grady, the former caretaker of the Overlook Hotel.
He shares his thoughts in Jack Nicholson in a memorable red bathroom.
Yes.
So, like, Barry, like, you know, like the beginnings of his complete collapse are, like,
set. But like then the movie gives you like this little glimpse of Barry being a good guy
where it's like this is where you can say anything you want about him but like to his own son
he was like a very doting and devoted father. Yeah. These are really cute scenes. But like but it's
not going to add well. Yeah. Like you know, it gives you the scene of like his son is just like,
Papa like I want a horse for my birthday so I can ride with you on the hunt and he's like, oh,
I don't know son. I don't know if you're old enough for a horse. Like you besides you have this
pony and he's like, but father, papa, please. I'm always. I'm
I want a horse so bad.
And the narrator is like,
this kid's dead.
The narrator tells you, like,
you know,
out of everything else
you could say about Barry,
like,
nobody could doubt,
like, how loving and devoted
he was to his son.
And, like,
innumerable were the high hopes
that he had for this child.
But unfortunately,
as fate would turn out,
he would leave this life,
like,
Barry,
like,
like,
none of his race would survive.
and he would leave,
leave this life penniless.
It's like,
at that point,
like,
like,
oh, fuck.
Like,
yeah.
Like,
yeah.
So, like,
once again,
like,
He's doomed by the good things he does.
He buys his son a horse for his birthday.
Yeah.
What does this send do?
He sneaks off and tries to ride it before he's ready, gets thrown from it,
like smashes his head on a rock and then spends two days dying.
Yeah.
Which is, by the way, sneaking off, that is such a berry thing to do.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it's like, again, again, he's so close.
Like, if you, if you raised a kid who has enough berry in him, like enough, like,
enough like lying and fighting
ability but you
tutor him correctly he grows
up in a castle he's smart enough to know
like oh if I'm in this situation
I won't abuse the steps on
I'll go outside of
the carriage to smoke my huge pipe
that
at least like Barry waits 20 years
his son sells dick
they've got a maid yeah
but because Barry again
lacks any introspection
he's like what would I do
if someone got me like a bit like a really cool like a charger when I was a boy oh I'd
fucking crack my skull open yeah yeah it's good no one gave me I'd drive it into a wall
yeah yeah good no one gave me one of those when I was seven I'd kill myself trying to drift yeah yeah yeah
but of course yeah no this is this was Barry's last it was his last the last good thing in his
life and also like kind of his last like the last rung on the ladder you could
grab on to.
Yeah.
Is the idea that, like,
he raises a son who,
like, he's like,
here's how to gamble.
I'm going to teach you sword fighting.
Like, his son would be a cool guy.
His son would have been awesome.
Yeah.
His son would have been fucking awesome.
His son would have succeeded all the places
Barry failed.
Yeah.
Instead,
bang.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's his,
he goes out Paul Walker style.
Yeah,
yeah.
I say,
you,
you compared this movie or Ryan
O'Neill in it.
If this movie were made in the 2000s,
Cooper could have cast Paul Walker.
Oh,
that would have been brilliant.
That would have been so brilliant.
Oh, my God.
If you,
the Paul Walker version of this movie,
it has to be in America, right?
And I think, like,
something, like,
post-war of 1812 America.
Yeah.
Man, that's a good fucking move.
Can we bring Kubrick back and Paul Walker back to life?
I'd love to see that movie.
Paul Walker is Pierre and Melville Pierre.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And he's like,
oh god that'd be honest
so yeah like now barry
like his son is dead
all he has his debts
and he just like lets himself go to drink
he turns over like the affairs at the house
to his mother who fires the reverend runt
I love this scene where she fires
Reverend runt
he she like
Barry's mom is sort of
to me the hero of this movie
yeah she failed she fucked up
like she did her best
Barry's kind of a dumb dumb
but like the scene with her
and what we're run.
It's like,
I want to keep doing my creepy shit.
I want to make the mom
to wear black all the time.
He goes,
I would gladly forego my wages,
but certainly,
as you must understand,
like, I could not leave
Lady Lyndon in her current state.
By the way,
we also just seen like,
another one of the only handheld scenes
in this movie is when Lady Lyndon
tries to kill herself.
Yeah.
We don't see her trying to kill herself.
We just see her,
like, writhing and agony.
And then you get, again,
the very dry, sardonic narration.
In the midst of these great perplexities,
her ladyship made an attempt
to kill herself
by taking poison.
Though she succeeded only in making herself
very ill due to the very small amount
she ingested.
Yeah,
she took,
she took an Advil.
Rising in agony.
Yeah.
And it's just like,
it's like,
heartbreaking,
but it's treated like so coldly.
Yeah.
In light of the perplexity.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's like,
yeah.
What a cruelly written.
Yeah.
And like,
it's like making fun of her.
Like,
she didn't,
she wasn't going to do it.
Yeah,
she didn't take enough poison
to kill herself.
But just always,
just calling,
like,
The squandering of your fortune, the ruining of your life, the death of your son, the son you actually like.
Yeah.
You're like, oh, these perplexities.
Confusing weekend.
But Reverend runs like, I can't possibly leave the lady in her current state.
Barry's mother, like a G, says, he's like, Reverend, it might shock you to learn this.
But it is, in fact, you were the cause of her current city.
Yeah, yeah.
Keeping her in this, like, catatonic, religious madness.
It's so sad.
Brian, you know.
luckily Barry would have
like if Brian he never gets a horse
Barry would
around like what gets
something gets invented around 1780
Barry gets obsessed with like lazy
suses yeah
so he's off trying to find out of Brian
Brian gets raised by the mom
who kind of has their head on her shoulders
Brian is like going to uplift this family
out of pot like Brian changes the course of history
I'm pretty sure yeah yeah
Brian Brian is
Goated. He becomes George Washington.
Yeah.
Brian probably makes England Marxist.
If he just
if Barry's mom just raises him,
not even raises it, just is around.
Because Barry's mom is the only person in
that entire household who, like,
has any fucking sense at all.
But she is, like, wrong
about a lot of stuff.
She made Barry. She made Barry.
She's not perfect. But, like, she's
the closest to right. Yeah.
she has the right ideas.
And of course,
by firing the Reverend Runt,
he reaches out, of course,
to Lord Bullington,
who is like,
since, like,
you know,
after his huge blowup,
he says,
like,
like,
I'm going to leave and never
return as long as this asshole is alive.
Like,
and this society that I detest
as though it were the plague.
So he is like,
he is left because he can't bear,
because I can't chastise this ruffian,
but I can't bear to live under,
around him and seem to degrade my mother the way he does.
So he,
like,
no,
reaches out to Lord Bullington.
And Lord Bullington is like,
I love this because he's like basically like,
he's like,
if I had killed my mother,
if she had died,
it would be like as bad as me killing her myself.
Because like my,
just leaving like,
I might as well have killed her.
Yeah.
And he's like,
I love you also.
He says,
my friends all feigned sympathy,
but behind my back,
I know I am despised
and quite rightly so.
Yeah,
yeah.
Because of like like the state of dishonor
that he's allowed his house to fall in.
And we get like to the climax of this movie.
where Lord Bullington is like,
I simply know there's only one thing
I can do.
Yeah.
And he walks into like the brothel
where Barry Lyndon
is like currently passed out
and they're like,
you know,
is Sir Lyndon,
is Barry Lyndon here
and they're like,
yeah,
he's passed out in the back.
And like,
he walks in and he demands satisfaction.
And we get the climactic duel
of this movie.
It's amazing.
I love this name.
It took,
I think it took them 70 days
to shoot this thing.
Oh my God.
Kubrick is,
he's a madman.
Kubrick put everyone through fucking Abu Ghraib.
He's a maniac.
But like you can't argue with the results.
No, you cannot.
Once again, you hear the
sort of like the building
of Handel's seravant
and you hear like the sort of the
procession. Like it's
thrilling. And once again like
you get a scene of like immaculate courtesy
in a ritual of like
cruelty and violence.
And like so he is challenged
and like now as Hesse, as you pointed out,
the they've nerfed the original dueling stats where you fire at the same time and I don't know for
whatever reason now it's like you take turns and it's decided on a coin flip yeah and bullington
wins the coin toss so he gets to shoot first so you just have to stand there and they say uh you know
mr linden are you ready to receive fire from yeah lord bullington and he's saying there and like
they're like gentlemen cock your pistols and the lord bullington like a complete asshole
Cox's pistol and it goes off.
Yeah.
Before he's even ready to fire.
He did not plan for this.
And he's literally, he's like,
Oh, it's like,
my younger brother had the controller.
Yeah, yeah.
And to the guy, like,
adjudicating this matter of honor,
I love this scene because he's like,
he's like, one of the pistols must be like,
you know, like must have fired an error.
So like, I'll need another pistol.
And they go, yes, but first you have to receive fire.
And he realizes that like,
he's like, that was his shot.
Yeah.
And now, like, he was thinking, like, oh, I won the coin toss.
I got this in the bag.
Yeah.
Then, like, an asshole, his gun goes off and they're like, that was your shot.
You'll get another pistol after you receive Mr. Lyndon's fire.
Yeah.
And it's like, you know, he knows who his step bad is.
He spent time in the pressing military.
He's like, he doesn't know how to fucking shoot people.
Yeah, yeah.
And here is, like, Barry's ultimate undoing and, like, the ultimate irony of this movie.
Because Barry has every reason to kill this bitch fucking asshole.
Yeah.
What does he do?
He purposely fires away.
He fires into the ground.
He fires into the ground.
And it's amazing like the birds fly up too.
Yeah, they're like John Wu, pigeons are flying around.
Yeah.
The duel is in like a barn.
And it's like, it's just like the precision of the way this scene is shot and the sort of like, like, like I said, like the courtesy of this like ritual of absolute barbarity.
We're like a father and a step, like a stepfather, like have to shoot guns at each other like five yards away like into their fucking.
And to just stand there while your stepdad draws a bead on you.
And it is so emblematic of Barry, too.
Not just like, we've talked about like how when he's acting cynically,
if he just like was, you know, 10% put 10% more of a fucking facade on it you get so far.
But also when he acts good, he doesn't realize, he doesn't realize that like,
no, your entire life comes before this moment.
Yeah. And like you can get inside his head enough to go,
okay, he's probably thinking,
okay, I fucking blew all this kid's money to become a peer.
I fucked it up really. I did not even come close.
I fucked it up badly.
His mom, she's going to be blue from drinking some fucked up poison all the time.
His life is, I fucked everyone's life up.
My son's dead. Everything sucks.
But if I like kill this kid, like that's too far for me.
Yeah.
And he's kind of right.
He's like,
I'm the dad that stepped up in this moment.
But it is,
but what he doesn't realize is like,
well,
you've come this far.
Like,
you might as well.
Yeah.
You might as fucking well.
Because it's like,
or he's like,
if you did all that other shit,
you might as well or just,
like pointing at your own head,
you know?
And like literally he's like,
I think in his mind he's like,
I'm going to die right here.
And,
but he neglects that this kid is such a dud
that he shoots him in a leg.
No,
I think he knew Bolington was going to fuck it up.
Like, he knew, Boeington was dead.
Well, because, like, after he fires purposely,
purposefully fires away, like,
the adjudicator of the duel is like,
Lord Blington, like, in light of Mr. Linn,
Mr. Barry's, you know, decision to fire away,
you consider the matter resolved honorably.
You have satisfaction.
Lord Bullington swallows looks up and, like,
stirs himself up and goes, no.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, my God.
And then he gets another shot.
shot, he shoots Barry in the fucking leg.
And like, he just...
I love when the doctor's looking at the leg, he's like...
Yeah.
It's definitely a bullet in there.
He's fucking, like, a ball in ancient diameter.
It's like a grape-sized ball of lead in his shin.
Yeah.
Like, he's like, in writhing in agony, the doctor's looking at him.
He's like, just a little bit more now.
I'm almost done with my examination.
And he goes, I'm sorry to tell you this, but you're going to lose the...
the leg probably
because like,
what else can they fucking do?
And they're like,
and Barry goes,
why?
And the doctor goes to save your life.
Yeah,
yeah,
yeah.
So Barry ends up,
like with his mother at like a carriage house
missing a leg.
Oh.
And like the solicitor shows up,
Grady from the shining
and lets him know that like,
Lord Bullington's,
he's taken everything,
but he's willing to offer you like 200 a year
provided you 500 a year,
a newty for the rest of your life.
provided you leave England and never returned.
Yeah, yeah.
For a one-legged gambler,
one-third the price of the best pussy in Barryville.
Yeah, yeah.
That's not bad.
That's not pretty good.
And then like, as you see him...
He started with 20.
Yeah, that's true.
As you see him hobble out,
helped by his mother to the carriage,
he hit the last,
the ending of the last narration of the movie.
Utterly baffled and beaten.
What was a lonely and broken-hearted man to do?
Barry took the annuity and returned to Ireland with his mother to complete his recovery.
Sometime later he traveled to the continent.
His life there, we have not the means of following accurately,
but he appears to resumed his former profession of a gambler without his former success.
He never saw Lady Lyndon again.
And it's very interesting.
As he gets into the carriage, the last we see of Barry, it's a freeze frame.
We don't see it.
We see him from behind his face.
Like all the masks he's worn are now gone.
And the camera freezes.
and it's like the ultimate moment of cruelty
in this movie, I think.
Is that like the only free,
like it freezes frame
and it freezes on a moment
and Barry were like he's no longer,
everything has been stripped from him,
but like he's being helped into the carriage
with missing a leg
and it's in a moment of absolute helplessness.
Yeah.
That the movie freezes on
and that's the last we see of Barry.
And then the last scene we get in the movie
of now Lord Bullington in Barry's position,
but he's right back where Barry was
waiting for his mom to sign letters to credit.
And then Lady Lyndon pauses on the one that's a note to a bank instructing them to pay an annuity of $500 to Redmond Barry.
And she pauses there and they look at each other and then the end.
And we get the epilogue, the final note of the movie, which I think sums everything up.
It was in the reign of George III that the aforesaid person who just lived and quarreled.
Good or bad, handsome or ugly, rich or poor.
they are all equal now.
Yeah.
And that's what, like,
the ending of this movie
like hits like a fucking Mac truck to me
because like,
you spend like three and a half hours
with Barry.
Like you try to like understand him.
Like you feel,
despite what an asshole he is,
like you feel such empathy for him.
Yeah.
And like,
what I love about this is that it situates you,
the viewer,
like, and any movie that takes place
in the past,
it's like what you said
about how this movie does away
with suspense.
It acknowledges that like
all this has already happened.
Everyone you're watching is dead.
there's nothing that could happen in this movie
that will alter the course of their lives.
Good or bad, handsome or ugly,
they are all equal now.
And it's like saying to you,
like, everything that you've just like seen
the life of this one person
that like, like to him, like to all of us,
you are the main character in this story.
Nothing matters more to you
than what you think of as your life
and your individuality.
But ultimately, what does it mean?
Nothing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like that we are all equal now.
That is the only thing that the degree egliser
is death.
and that's just eternity.
Yeah.
And that's what I find not cold, but so human about this movie,
is that, like, really, like, we are all Barry Lyndon in a way.
Like, not in the specifics,
but I think, like, everybody has this certain combination of, like,
vanity or selfishness or just sort of a lack of self-awareness
to varying degrees that raise us or doom us to varying degrees.
But the point is everyone thinks that they,
that their life story is the most important story.
and that like everyone
every extra in this movie
like every person you see on or off screen
it's just another Redmond Barry
Yeah like all of our lives are exactly like that
Yeah
And then like if he's not special
And if you focus on any one of them
It's fascinating
But at the end of the day
Like it meet we are as unknowable to ourselves
As we are to everyone else
Yeah
No matter like no matter
How good or bad of a person you are
Like that's not the point
except for like, you know, the odd outlier case here or there.
If you have ever like plotted on something in your life,
if you have ever, if you have ever schemed for even like a cookie in a jar you're not
supposed to reach, you are Barry Lyndon.
Yeah.
If even just for one moment, we are all him because we have all strived to become something
greater than ourselves, whether it is in the material sense like we see in this movie
or in a spiritual sense or whatever
and we have all tried
and failed to reach it
because you just don't know what you don't
know. Yeah.
Until it's too late.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't think there is a movie
that is so
I'm obviously not a historian
but so dedicated towards
at least
aesthetically portraying its time period
accurately.
Yeah.
The costumes and details in this movie.
Here's another fact about this movie.
Not a single set was utilized in this movie.
Right. Yeah.
All of the interiors in the movie were filmed in actual castles and estates.
There is not a movie that they've dedicated so many resources to like historical fidelity
where I have felt such a connection to every single character.
Like I, Barry is such an asshole, but every, like even with the lack of suspense, when he
fucking meets Lady Lyndon. I'm like,
let's go. Yeah. Barry,
don't fuck this up. It's like Sharon Stone
and De Niro meeting a casino.
Yeah. Every, like,
that is, that, that,
that, um, the great montage,
the great gambling and fighting montage,
you want to live in that forever.
Yeah. Just like how you,
you know,
not just if you,
if you have, if you have fucked up,
you are Barry Lyndon. Yeah.
Just like how you want to, you,
you lionize.
in the best period of your life, you want to live in that forever, even though you know you can't.
This is, yeah, I, I, going back to what we were talking about earlier, I get why people are,
even if they admit that Kubrick is a fantastic filmmaker, they find his movies like too uncomfortable or harsh on the human condition.
But it just, I don't, I don't think you can make a movie like this that hits this hard without, like,
maybe you hate humanity,
but you can't hate something like this
without loving it too.
Yeah.
Because it's like, on the one hand,
it is kind of cruel and cold to like,
you invest so much and we care so much about Barry
and his trials and tribulations,
ultimately to make the point that like it doesn't matter.
Right, right.
But the thing is like his life doesn't matter
any more or less than your own does.
Exactly.
Because we all belabor under the illusion
like of this very subjective experience of consciousness
and like the brief period we have of our life
and our memories of it,
that we are somebody
and that that story matters.
And it matters to us,
but like,
by showing you,
like, by recreating
every conceivable detail
of, like,
the clothes,
the sounds,
like the,
the appearance of life
in 18th century
is to say,
like,
it gives you,
like,
this God's eye view.
You're seeing everything,
but do you really know
these characters
any more or less
because of it?
No,
because like,
the world that they existed,
and indeed their lives themselves
are all totally gone now.
Yeah.
Just like the world,
the world that we're living in right now
will also be gone once in...
Yeah. Yeah.
And like I said, I think, like...
He has a, like, a jaundiced view of human beings
and, like, a very cynical look...
A very cynical view of, like, human civilization
and, like, this thin, thin sort of algae
of what we think of as, like, civilization.
Yeah.
Of, like, civilized behavior.
And, like, you know, not being animals.
That, like, covers, like, you know,
are, you know, as Reverend Run says,
are beastial, carnal nature.
But at the same time, it's like,
it's the tragedy of every individual,
like, imagining themselves as somebody,
even though, like, we are the same to everyone else
as everyone else is to us.
Yeah.
That there is, like, as they said,
like they are all equal now.
There's an equality in that,
and that's what unites us as human beings.
Is this kind of, like, our tragic sense of individuality
in the sense that, like,
often, like, when we think we are most
rebelling against the patterns or rituals
that society is laid out for us,
is in fact when we are most fulfilling them.
Yeah, absolutely.
It's a great flick.
And I think that's a theme that you can apply
to many of Kubrick's other movies as well.
Absolutely.
Like Cockworth Orange.
Eyes wide shut.
I think of Private Joker and Full Metal Jacket where he has like the peace symbol
on his helmet.
Yeah.
I was like, how do you have that and born to kill?
And he's like, I'm thinking about the youngian thing, sir.
Throughout the entire movie like in Paris Island to Way City,
Joker imagines himself that like he's the rebel.
Like he's like Barry.
he's like, oh, I see through the Marines, and I'm like, I'm the cynical actor here,
but like in the final moment of the movement, we're like, an act of mercy where he cold-bloodedly
kills a teenage Vietnamese girl, you realize that like, that's what the Marines want from him.
Yeah.
Is they want all Marines to think of themselves as secret rebels against the Marines because
that's what makes them such effective killers.
Yeah, it's Kilgore also from Apocalypse Now.
It's like a similar thing to that.
Yeah.
I as much as like
wholeheartedly agree with that idea that like
there is there is like
some horror to that the idea that like
they are all equal now and that
in the blink of a cosmic eye that will be true
about us yeah I think that I don't think it's
horrifying at all like
it depends it depends
if you're like you need to go to the bank tomorrow
I'm like I'll be dead soon
no but I mean like
not horrifying is the word, but like
I guess people could interpret this as like
anti-human, right? Going back to this theme of like,
is Kubrick anti-human or does he hate humanity
when you know that you cannot hate something
without loving it first?
I think at the same time is that being true.
Like that, you know, just you can recreate these things,
this saltifying level of detail
and spend
just an enormous amount of resources
recreating like the sights and sounds
and stealing a fucking lens from NASA
so you can light it all with candle
and ultimately your point is
like this guy's life is just
it might as well not have happened
but at the same time
there is an eternal truth
to the beauty of these individual images
and there is an eternal joy
in these moments
and an eternal pain
in them. And if that is all there is, just the fact that it happened, that is enough for it to
be documented. And like I said earlier that like all of Kubrick's movies, I like, I think for them to
really make sense, you have to understand them as like black comedies or like, or tragic comedies.
And I think someone who truly did have like a purely cynical view of human beings would only
show tragedy. Yeah. Yeah. Like like you like to show the absurdity and like the humor in all of the
tragedy of life, I think you have to understand
what makes life worth living or what makes human
human beings special in some
way. It's the ironic. No, that is the ironic
thing about that. It is while
showing like the
the cruelest, most adivistic, most animal
like features of humanity,
Kubrick shows what does
truly make humanity special.
Our ability to
reflect on that and achieve
if not a higher state
of mind, at least a higher
self-reflection of that recognition.
Yeah, absolutely.
So, yeah, there we go.
That's Barry.
That's Barry.
All movies are equal now.
Honestly, all movies, in my opinion, all movies are equal in so much as that they're not Barry Lyndon.
Yeah.
A movie that really does stand apart for me is like one of the two masterpieces of cinema and one of the great like just works of art.
Pieces of art ever created.
Yeah.
There is nothing I could compare to that.
There is absolute, not even among Cooper.
movies. There's anything compared to this.
The closest
point of comparison I can draw
and it's like a weak one at that
because it's doing something completely different is
the draftsman's contract, the Peter
Greenaway movie which is
I love that. I highly recommend that
for anyone who watches Barry Lyndon and is
like what if they were like
what if it was more evil?
What if it was made by someone who genuinely
hates people?
They're all totally dog shit.
which I think that one fits the bill.
That's a great flick.
But of course, it's no Barry Lyndon.
There's only one Barry.
Just give yourself over to this movie.
And I think you will be astonished.
Like how quickly it just hypnotizes you and pulls you in
and immerses you so thoroughly in the period that it's trying to portray.
The power of the images themselves, like I said,
every single frame of this movie looks like an oil painting.
but like you think about a movie like that and you think like oh it's like it's so dry and like the way people talk is like so mannered but like the thing is like once you understand the humor of this movie everything comes alive yeah yeah truly yeah and you really do not need to be like a student of you know 18th century no because the narrator tells you like the history actually doesn't matter yeah exactly if you have like just any intuitive ability at all you will completely fall in love with this movie and fall into the rhythm of it yeah you will get you will get you
get lost in it. Yeah, it's like a trance. It puts you in a trance with it's like, you know.
I think it speaks to like his, like I said, his just uncanny ability as a director.
And I think this movie represents more perfectly to me like Stanley Kubrick as like what his artistic vision was really about.
Yeah, absolutely. All right. That does it. For this one, that was Barry Lyndon. Pleasure to kick off the season of movie mindset with Felix and another one of the Will Minnaker Canon, really. Like my mind.
the casino in this one now.
I would hazard that like those two movies are like
two films that have had more
of an impact on my life
and like that I return to again
and again and again as these kind of like
text that speak to me about everything.
Yeah, everything about life.
Absolutely. I was
actually really surprised.
I was excited to do this episode.
I had not seen this movie actually.
I was really surprised that you asked me to do this
movie just because I had never
I think it's like it could have been a risk,
but like I know you were enough to know Felix.
I knew that you hadn't seen it and I knew that you would love it.
You were right.
You were totally right.
This is, I mean, I am so glad.
If, like, not just because I don't know if I would, I would have seen this eventually,
but I had gone too long not seeing it.
But, um, I don't know.
Like I knew I knew I'd like it.
I'd seen clips of it and thought, oh, that's an amazing looking.
I've never seen anything that looks like that.
But I did not expect it to just be as,
I don't even think affecting is the right word,
but it just,
it reaches this emotionally resonant.
No, no, not even that,
just this mental pantheon,
I guess,
with the fifth season of Sopranos,
where not necessarily,
I mean, yes, in the case of Barry Lyndon,
where yes, it is like,
you know, one of the paramount movies
that I've ever seen,
but also just,
again, this perfect audio, visual performance confluence that...
A world that you can live in for a while.
Yes, exactly.
In the same way that, like, you know, I get, you can read, you know,
as one of the points of this movie just being like,
the eternal fact of these moments or these stretches of time in your life,
this movie, it is like, it is almost like indirectly accessing those own,
those moments in your own life
just by the vivid portrayal of
this could be like Barry's deathbed recollection
just by just by how vividly it is portrayed in this movie
I am so glad that you we did this
yeah this is one of those movies that really gives you like
an artistic emotional experience unlike anything else
there are no other movies that really
are like this movie
Yeah.
Look like this movie that, like,
that conjured, like, such a specific and singular feeling
the way this movie does.
Yeah.
I, like, the only thing,
I love the movie tree of life,
but it's just, it's not the same thing.
It's not even close.
Yeah.
It's not even, like, on a surface level,
I would think, okay,
they approach similar ideas,
but not really.
This is, like,
this strikes at a more, like,
central truth to human existence, I feel.
All right.
That's it.
I hope you enjoyed the inaugural episode of Moving Mindset this season.
Stick with us.
We've got some more bangers coming for you.
So until next time, keep watching those movies.
