Chapo Trap House - This is Sus: Homeland feat. Hasan Piker

Episode Date: February 11, 2022

Welcome to our new Patreon mini-series "This Is Sus". As with all these miniseries, the first episode will be free to all listeners, the following episodes will be Patreon exclusives. Felix is joined by Hasan Piker to discuss the 2011 Showtime series “Homeland” You can find Hasan here: twitch.tv/hasanabi twitter.com/hasanthehun instagram.com/hasandpiker

How many 90s kids out there remember 2012? It's a great year. You know, it was it's a year of Benghazi It was here that Bill Maher went on TV after Benghazi and was like I'm more I'm as tolerant as anyone But I'm sick of Muslims killing people because of cartoons. He's so brave. That was brave He he Glenn Greenwald actually was on that episode and like shit on him, but oh, yeah, that was I remember that That was so good. That was like Glenn was so fucking base back then. Holy shit. He was zoomin, but You know, it was it was a certain time in America. It was the end of the war on terror Or the former the formal war on terror the Bush war on terror. It was the start of the Obama war on terror and It was the start of a very complicated

liberal liberalization of the image of the CIA and And the show that we are doing this week I'm having of course is on biker on I I Decided I would subject him to this utter dog shit. Yeah, oh, yeah He remembers this time like I do we're doing a homeland. It's a very interesting show homeland is It was made by a guy named Gideon Raft who based homeland off of

a hot open a similar series he did on Israeli TV and Gideon is not just he's not just a random Israeli His dad was an economic advisor to the Israeli embassy when Gideon went back to Israel to do his mandatory service He was a paratrooper. He was band of brothers and In the late 90s when he gets out he goes into the tech business right before the dot-com bubble burst But this being around like 1999 2000 You could just you know You didn't need like eight unpaid internships and he immediately goes to New York City and becomes a co-director on mr.

And mrs. Smith this leads to him doing the killing floor, which was like I remember being a decently received thriller and Then he goes back to Israel and when he goes back to Israel he starts studying indigenous Jewish show business techniques Digitist TV magic of the Israeli he does had to fin which is a show about a prison of war an Israeli one who gets turned who gets muslimized during captivity and people love had to fin and he gets clouded up and Hollywood is like Gideon come back We need you to do this show, but do it for Americans and we need you to do it with

Damien Lewis band of brothers He also made tyrant around this time, which is a did not fare as well as homelanded It is a show about the Assad family basically, but is far worse acted and far more Nakedly propaganda than homeland is so it only went one season It sort of had the FX curse of being buried, you know with similar shows But homeland was in its own way genius. I think it's um, I Think Chris should put in the thing right here of the CIA ad with it The girl says she's a millennial with anxiety an imposter syndrome

I am a cisgender millennial who's been diagnosed with generalized anxiety disorder a proud first-generation Latina an officer at CIA because that all came from this show. Oh, yeah Yeah, this um for people who don't know for you know large portion of our audience that was born in 2012 This is a show that is mainly about Kerry Matheson played by Claire Danes She's a CIA operations officer who is bipolar. I Love this. I look first of all, can I just start off by saying you've given me irreparable brain brain damage? I watched this I watch I think like one show back in like one episode of this back when it first came out And back then I was like I'm in college. I'm a liberal. I'm getting laid. I don't really care

I don't really care too much. You know, I mean I like I want like universal health care Well, I universal good like a national health care system But like yeah, I don't think too much about it because I was just like I had turkey brain, you know, but yeah Americans are weird and I watched one episode of that and I was like, yeah, this seems kind of weird I don't know what's going on here And I didn't even notice like the whole in the big reveal or the Islamophobia of the show at all Like I just it totally was lost on me. So like rewatching it now the first season I think it just it broke my brain a little bit. It's it was is very very interesting very interesting stuff on the first

Yeah, yeah, no, so in the episodes we watched like you watched the episode where they do You know Sergeant Nicholas Brody. He's back in America. Everyone's thrilled and They show some scenes that like they they give you a tell like something's up Something's not quite right and then the big reveal ominous music dark scene Brody in his garage kneeling on the prayer rug And residing shit in Arabic. That's like, uh-oh. He turned Muslim over there. He was spitting. He was actually spitting He's a we've talked about so much earlier, but like he is a method actor. I'm pretty sure I'm pretty sure he actually said the Shahada and Became Muslim just for the duration of the show. Absolutely. I mean like Damien Lewis is he's a goat

He's like he's the Tom Brady of showtime like he's carried so many fucking showtime shows that like honestly would Not survive if not for him. He's just he's a franchise player You can hang a not that good show around him because he always shows up and does what he needs to do. I mean He I don't think there was any pork on his fork during the entire time. He was in the show. It's just like two seasons Yeah, great. I mean look he is he's not like how do I do? He's like a Woody Harrelson type I almost feel like where he's like it's not his good handsome looks. That's keeping him afloat. You know what I mean? It's his it's his acting chops. No. Yeah, it's It's

For those who don't know Damien Lewis looks like he's like like six seven and the most ginger man on the planet Yeah, yeah, and it like some somehow he's able to play like a special forces soldier who works for al-Qaeda and like a cool like street billionaire and billions and You never you never look at him and go He's kind of too red to do all these things. I was wrong. He's six for one I've and also he's not first of all, he's Welsh. So, you know automatically that's you know, that's interesting there But he is he's so ginger like the way I describe it to my brother was he's so ginger that he's like his eyelashes are like Why like they're a different color. Yeah, he is fucking

He is kissed by fire the fucking the Welsh dragon spit all over him Yeah, yeah, he but like, you know, if you're you know, if you're out there If you're one of the many Israeli Americans that listen to this or watch us on stream and you're like, how do I make a show? It's just put Damien Lewis in it will go for like at least five seasons. Oh, yeah, he's yeah, he's he's Nicholas Brody He's been in Afghanistan for years. He's been a captive. Everyone's thrilled. He's back But then Carrie Matheson who you know, she faces You know men taking credit for her work at her job of just Incinerating the poorest people in the world. Just like doing reality-winner stuff getting 500 bodies a month

You know men are taking credit for her people think less of her And she's struggling, you know, she needs medication It's it's not easy to face mental illness And she's like there's there's something up with this guy She has a she has kind of a older mentor figure in the agency Who is Saul Barenson? He's played by Mandy Patinkin another franchise player. Oh, yeah, this is yeah, this is like Man, you look at the cast for this show They kept this fucking turd afloat. They really did they they really sold this like everyone

Everyone from Carrie to Abu Nizir is like man Man, I don't think just some Tom Dick and Harry could have done this but She starts she starts looking into Brody and Saul is like what the fuck are you doing? This is like a war hero where you're already on thin ice because everyone thinks you're crazy and you're a woman and then This is what I like about this show is that it was very early in like CIA approved productions learning out how to cynically use in pole

because They like Carrie's response to this is to immediately try to fuck Saul and he's like you're gross like go away Yeah, that was her that was a really cool moment because it comes completely out of nowhere Like this is a relationship that they've supposedly cultivated like a like a dynamic where you know Saul is the boss and like you and she is like his most trusted person and then she just tries to fuck him like that was They really dropped the ball on that. I think like they kind of came out of nowhere. Yeah, and it's in like the second episode In the second episode like these people who presumably know each other for like 12 years They've like done like things they would never admit to anyone

They've done like horrible insane things that they like obviously self-rationalized or like it, you know if we didn't do that, that's American lives blah blah blah and Without even thinking they're not even like we're gonna fire you she he's just like people will be mad at you like you're gonna get in Trouble. She's like like what if I suck your cock? Get 36 year old woman doing that. I mean it was it was very cool that you know, it's obviously, you know Listen as long if this was written by women sweaty if there were more women in the writer's room That would not have passed there. You know, that would not have that would not have made the final cut. Okay So this is another example for diversity. It is a very interesting choice

It is like, you know, you see that you're like, what the fuck is this character supposed to be like out of nowhere Yeah, you like there's a ton of stuff in that like that there because like I watched this entire first season I watched all season two when it was out, you know, when it was a kid I think I used like I think I was like one of the last things that torrented probably and I remember at the time like being in college and like not getting laid, but like being like I Don't know. Yeah, I guess Yeah, I was still like a Lib who you know wants nationalized healthcare, but was I was very anti-war but I was at that time. I

Was like, well, yeah, that's like politics of this or that like fuck the war and terror and like I'm already like soured on Obama But like this is just such a it's like such a fun suspenseful show, you know, I mean, yeah And they're like, yeah, you have American soldiers that are you know, reading the Koran This is this is like threat level midnight, dude. This doesn't get me. Yeah, doesn't get any worse than that, dude Terrifying terrifying like, you know scarier scarier than the guys like doing The GD pitchforks graffiti in Iraq in 2007, but yeah, I don't know like going back watching it I was like, I was like, I don't think excited. It's the right word but like, you know relieved relieved that I was gonna watch something I'd already seen and

and relieved that You know for as awful as it's like politics are and a cynical Like zero in a zero dark 30 way it is That it would at least be like Exciting, you know exciting and fun in the way that like justified is but I Going back now it's like an adult like You know in peter aritz's uh parlance a fully adult man

I it just it The clunkiness of everything else Took away from all the suspense plots, you know, like is kari gonna get this Bugging device on this guy. Are they gonna be able to flip this guy who is that they're You know, they have that cia gillain maxwell character The double agent that kari uses and they are they gonna be able to like blackmail this evil guy And it's like it's like very competent, you know thriller

Middlebrow tv horseshit But it's her and was worse than gillain maxwell's by the way. That's not like like gillain maxwell got out good You're talking about the lady who's like Is is, you know pimping out like other young 20 year old, uh, the women to the prince guy, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, they have yeah the like 29 year old woman who kari flipped who's like, yeah Rod's a high-end escort ring and the yeah, I love she just I love that I don't want to like, you know harp on too many of the tiny details, but like one thing I do love about that is that like She's doing that not because of uh, I don't know any sort of

intricate, uh There's no like There's no like illegal activity that she was caught doing and that's why she had to do this she's doing it because like She she has a sense of pride And and loyalty to the american state like she's doing this And spying on The the chic guy while also pimping out other women to the chic guy

Specifically because maybe I've misunderstood it, but specifically because like she loves america. Oh, yeah. No, absolutely They like they're they're working Yeah, they're working really hard on that like, you know liberal war on terror angles like oh, we actually love this country more Yeah, we're actually like bigger fans of it. So yeah, they they They carry like gets this poor woman killed. We find out brody is muslim uh Brody starts gearing up to run for congress and

This is when things kick into high gear because the thinking is like Well, if brody like brody the war hero if he becomes like the rap from nova if he gets the eric canter seed He's just gonna be able to like suicide bomb the president And that's when yeah, carry is like Carries like oh my god. I gotta stop taking my pills I guess that's like the op. I guess if you're have exactly carries intersections of mental illness Not taking your pills is the same thing as taking aterol. You just did it like Yeah constant state of producing your own vivans. Yeah

um One of the things I thought I was interesting about that in particular was that you know, it's the mental It's the stigma of having mental illness that uh, That was stopping her from actually, you know Coming out, but I guess the cia no longer cares about that, right? Like you can you can you be bipolar now and be in the cia like openly? I don't think bipolar. I feel like if you could be bipolar or like schizophrenia can be in the cia They would absolutely put that in an ad

but I That's why like in that ad the only mental illnesses people have are like yeah depression and imposter syndrome Yeah, no, they have like it. They have like a new disease that webmd invented in 2021. That's called like youngest child disorder shortest cousin disease You guys I don't I don't think they let you be bipolar. I think that they've like loosened up rules about drug use um Just because it's like who are you gonna find you're gonna find a fucking weirdo

So they got stuck with yeah, they got stuck with all those alcoholic Mormons Yeah, I mean who they're recruiting from too is like you got like fucking liberal Yale graduates that you want to be a part of your Your agency and like a lot of those kids are You know, they're they're coming from like upper middle class or even Like wealthy families, you know what I mean like you're not gonna you're not gonna get Like there's gonna be a lot of that there regardless people are just like more aware of it Yeah, yeah, like medicated for it. I think like the real purpose of that test honestly, like this is a digression, but I think it's to like find someone who either is

Like a weird nerd that you can convince into doing anything which is you know, why in the golden age to see I had famously alcoholic Mormons and teetotaler Catholics Uh, or someone who's like at least with it enough to when they're asked that question will just lie Yeah, but but uh still unfortunately, I do not think you can Maybe you can I don't know I feel like the rules are different like I don't Think though that you can be like bipolar and be there Dependent. I think like you could either some things you can do, but I don't think you could like be in the field per se, but um

You know regardless Carrie's in the field. Carrie has like a search warrant on Brody and it's running out. So she um Yeah, the her surveillance guy is named Virgil She gets this like awful bald man named Virgil to help her wiretap Brody illegally and she's kind of like paying him out of pocket Is sort of like a black budget like violating posicomatitis Uh item and that their wiretaping Brody. Meanwhile Brody is You know, he doesn't necessarily feel the heat being turned up by Carrie yet at this point so early in the show But there there is some heat on him, you know, he's always he's in contact with Abu Nazir's guys. He's You know, he's concealing details about

His detainment like he's hiding these scars. He has from being beaten. No one notes. He's Muslim yet Uh, and he's he's running for office And he starts snapping a little like there's a paparazzi guy that comes to their house to take pictures and Brody like beats the shit out of him he he There's a dinner party and Brody just gets gets the fucking pull and ups the pull on a deer and blows its brains out in front of Everyone and his long suffering wife, Jessica Uh

Played by what's this actor's name? Oh, uh, she's hot. I love her so fucking hot She and she's been in tugs of shit like this like middle brow shit. She's so she's beautiful. I love her She's fired marina bachran. That's her name. I like forgot her name. Uh She's so fucking fire and you know, she's got her own problems because we're finding out that You know Brody's been gone for eight years She just figured that he's dead because like why wouldn't you think that? And she's been getting piped down by Brody's homie by Mike

Mike Faber who looks like played by uh Well, this is the hell of a name. Diego Clattenoff uh This looks like sort of a You know like a great value nice brand, uh, matt daemon Yeah, no, he's matt daemon's ugly brother that no one knows about that's what it looks like. Yeah, he's been He's been uh getting clowned from her this entire time and it's you know, it's a bad situation Brody's back Brody's alive Brody's Muslim

and you know He's not about to do the devil's threesome Not now not after not after being in afghanistan and converting to deal bondy islam no way but You know temperature temperatures up Uh, kary starts following Brody around though Um, she follows him to like a veteran like a for veterans. I guess um

And she recognizes him from when he was debrief when he gets back But then like kary. I guess this is kary's like a special move. This is her combo. She was in guilty gear one of those games She's immediately just starts flirting with him and it works She completely defuses it Well, one thing I wanted to talk about Specifically was like how Muslims and like the Islamic world in general is depicted And I guess like it's very common place for 2012 Uh, or whenever the whenever the show originally aired

Where like every there was a point in time when it was just like if you're brown if you're like if you're Muslim You're like automatically villain. You're automatically the villain. You're like vilified and like the depiction of like areas Uh, even places like fucking Beirut and and places that are not like Places that do not look like bombed out like carved out rubble Uh, you know backwards parts of the Middle East that have been completely eviscerated by western imperialism Uh were made to look like Exactly that like they were they were made to look a certain type of way It's just like every part of it

Every part of it from you know, the the creepy music that plays every time like Uh, you know Brody is is you know praying like every part of that all the way to the Collective identity of like every Muslim is the same and how they coordinate with one another was Really interesting to see it was like I felt nostalgic almost where I felt as though, you know I mean, I don't think they do that anymore as much Maybe I'm wrong. But like that kind of stereotyping

It doesn't happen as much anymore. It reminded me of Uh, something I watched recently and I think we watched it together the the WWE guys, uh, that that oh, yeah. Yeah, Muhammad Hassan um, yeah Muhammad Hassan who would like come on and give like a very Like well thought out critique of the Iraq war and then they would just beat the shit out Yeah, and he was like and Muhammad Hassan, of course was Mark Julian Capani who is a american school principal Now retired professional wrestler Who is italian like he was not

And he was not Muslim he was not of that background at all. He's just like some syracuse guy He's a guy from syracuse who's of italian descent and his guy his his manager was persian And Muhammad Hassan was supposed to be like this guy who is a terrorist or a sympathizer of terrorists even though like He was right. He was supposed to be jordanian palestinian But his like he didn't know how to speak arabic obviously

And his manager was also his manager was persian And and he would speak at farsi like on stage And I always found that to be so strange because it's like These guys I mean they don't even like each other half the fucking time. You know what I mean? Like they they're not communicating in each other's language They're not and I feel like you see that in the show too Where there are like a legions. Oh my god. Yeah

There are allegiances crafted that you pointed out that I find to be very very interesting because it's like Like it goes back to the uh, was it david from who added the the line of iran into the axis of evil? Yeah, yeah, the thing that the thing that like um Stopped iran from cooperating with us. Yeah, afghanistan Literally, yeah, which I guess they kind of wanted, you know, but yeah Yeah, well, I mean they ended up still like they ended up still fighting against uh isis and and you know being like uh

Like an asset in the middle east regardless an ally in the middle east regardless of what like the american media's portrayed her on as Right And and it's just funny that like they They missed out on like one of the most significant like one of the most significant breakdowns in in uh, Allegiances in that like in that regional conflict Uh, like the ongoing geopolitical struggle between sunnis and shea's Uh and and having all of that be the exact same like the connection between al-qaeda and

And iran and everyone is actually a part of the same thing because they're ultimately united under islam Yeah, yeah, they're and iran had like, you know a motive outside of trying to please united states in or in afghanistan There is a ethnic minority of she is that they really like felt that they You know whether for political reasons or like from the bottom of their hearts like really felt like they had to protect and It was sort of like a mutually agreed upon goal and axis of evil completely like obliterated that but that's it's You know on its face, uh, you look at that and you go that's a huge fuck up But then you look at like what was the point of afghanistan really? For the people that knew since the beginning like the people running the war

I mean, yeah, the point was like the point was to never achieve concrete goals Like the but like we let bin laden get away all these times. It was just a 20 year fog Where they could steal as much as possible But it is it's very interesting that this like more liberal show that's trying to take like a more liberal angle to You know sell obama voters of the cia just completely like Excepts like the steven haze david from line that All the bad muslims are working together

But there's also a certain type of perfect good muslim Who's highly westernized and you can tell they're good because they don't live As you but you you've pointed out don't live in like the mud huts that all other muslims live in Oh, yeah Like any muslim any muslim who isn't sufficiently Don't like pro america in all these shows like no matter how liberal they were until like really like 2019 It portrays them as like living on dirt floor shacks like they just don't care I guess But then also you gotta be their animals

You also got to be afraid of the the bowtide or the the suit and tie muslim too Because then the suit and tie muslim is actually doing fifth column shit Where yeah, yeah, they're like behind enemy lines and they're actually westernizing specifically With the express purpose of like, you know destroying america from within Oh, there is something very interesting in season two that I will I'll get to That yeah, you haven't seen but it's very telling. Um So, yeah, no, there's Half of who carry tails and carry like tries to flip and fuck with are like, yeah suit and tie muslims where it's like

Oh, i'm normal and then they go home and like to beat the shit out of their wife It's like oh look, none of them are normal but uh Good like going but we're about like halfway through the season now and the cia Wants to bring brody in because they've captured this guy afsul hameed He's was a survivor on a raid on an al-qaeda compound and they want him there because hameed

Supposedly tortured brody when he was in captivity They you know in front of everyone they have this big like dust up and hameed later kills himself But carry is like what the fuck? I don't trust this. I think brody did something I think brozy brody slipped him a razor blade so he could kill himself so you can give anything up and then carry like gives a polygraph to everyone who is in contact with hameed and like including brody and She's you know bro bro. He's bro. He's a true double agent He's he's he's cool but

That cool can only last so long he He goes over to mike at the funeral for for walker uh, oh, I didn't introduce walker my bad walker is uh Was he the drunk? There's like a greek chorus of brody's friends Who are all drunk all the time?

I know that no walker isn't like the drunkest one But walker is like one of like a guy who was captured with brody Yeah, he's the oh wait. Oh wait. No. Yeah brody brody beat walker to death. Brody beats walker to death in the first episode Thomas patrick walker is the marine who was an active duty and he was a scout sniper He was like his He was the guy who holds the binoculars right or was brody the one who was holding the binoculars. I guess he was a shooter Yeah, walker is the shooter brody. Yeah, they're having the funeral for walker and you know Brody feeling the heat again

You know, he's found out He's found out from his daughter that mike's been having an affair that he's been he's been busting down marina bachran Giving her the backshots and just beats the shit out of him in front of everyone You know bro brody's been acting awesome ever since he got back Um, he immediately like, you know, everyone's like what the fuck? What are you doing? And he's like i'm done. This family doesn't understand me and he calls karry and karry like

The best thing you can do in antipsychotics gets wasted and fucks brody But wall she's drunk reveals like why she gave him the lie detector this is like karry's character when I first saw this I was like, oh, this is like an interesting suspenseful show I'm like really gripped and now when I watch it. I'm like karry's character is like counterterrorism d from always sunny Like she fucking sucks. Yeah, good instincts though. It's amazing instincts

Like, yeah, I mean even even when she went to the AA meeting and then like continued on with the conversation like Uh after seeing him there everything brody there I don't know if you remember that in the beginning where like she's like attending an AA meeting Or not an AA meeting. I think it's a PTSD meeting. Sorry Where they're talking about, you know, I guess she's talking about how she has PTSD or she's going to And I couldn't tell if that was like organically if she was supposed to be there Or if she was like actually trailing him and like, you know, did one of those like Like random meetups, but it seemed like she was organically there and that's why she walked away

Like even then she like establishes contact with them from the jump in In ways that, you know, totally compromise her position as a security operative. I guess someone who's supposed to be Surveiling this person from afar. She really fucking blows it Like she she gets drunk. She fucks him. She's hung over giving him a polygraph and You know, obviously like he passes all of it and then she asks him like, have you ever been unfaithful to your wife? And he goes no never and like, you know, she just fucked him. So she's like, oh, I found out he's a liar It's like you really took the long way there. You really like

Um, you have unorthodox and maybe not that effective methods Uh, but anyway You know after the polygraph after Kerry is like, holy shit, this guy's a fucking liar It might be an al-Qaeda double agent who wants to call the president She goes off to have a dirty weekend with him in a cabin She's like, you know, I really fucked up. Um You know flirting with and then banging this subject of my Investigation this guy who I think could be potentially the most dangerous terrorist on us oil

A guy who I'm illegally surveilled like and and trailed numerous times Yeah, you know that guy. Yeah. Yeah, they They have a fucking They have a dirty weekend. They fuck But like this is so sweet day. I love how sweet this is like after Like the first day of their dirty weekend. She's like, oh, I've actually been uh spying on you Like buy it like she doesn't mean to but she's she reveals it in a very sweet D way And then she's like, well, like, you know, I get you that you're mad, but I think you that you're working for al-Qaeda

But brody. Yeah, brody goes. Well, I'm not I am muslim though and I I did kill walker And I think abu nazir is cool, but I'm not in al-Qaeda Yeah, because he was his below. Yeah, that's what he was. Yeah, he was he was being truthful there because he's like, you know I'm not I'm actually, you know, I'm I'm hezbollah not al-Qaeda But in the of course, you know, the same on the show. Oh, it doesn't matter. Yeah. Yeah. No, he's um You know, they get a lot done Uh, and kary calls sol and is like, well, you know, if you're not gonna fuck me

You know, look who look who I got not really but she's like, oh my god, sol I've I've found out so much um Sol he's a muslim and he killed walker and sol's like actually walker's alive Somehow this is like this is really like they jumped the shark pretty early Walker is alive. They tell walker's family, but not brody um Walker is in dc

In the start of the next episode they show him like hooking up You know, he get he he gets a little drop from a savage student tie muslim. Oh, yeah, uh, yeah the You know, they don't fully establish what's going on here, but the fbi like tracks walker down Uh, this is realistic The fbi accidentally kills like two random muslims trying to try to like walk walker down in the mosque It is quite quite realistic But walker, you know being another flipped muslim being another secret evil muslim who's dealing with the student thai ones

He immediately gets a poll that they hit in the mosque Because that's where you keep it and He's got like a psg one Carries like you won't believe this brody But walker is alive and he's working for al-qaeda Brody ends up just fucking stealing off the student thai muslim guy Uh

And he's like i'm done. This is too many. There's too many lies and too much backstabbing people are fake as fuck I'm not working for al-qaeda anymore. Fuck you. I was down. I was down to be a double agent and like, I don't know I don't know what like To a side bomb the president as a congressperson Even though I feel like there's better ways of doing that But now that I've found out that walker is alive. This is a step too far. I think Yeah, no, it's Dude people switch up on me too much. Yeah fake friends. I really need to be alone right now. I can't be doing this

I'm done. It's a it is the perfect like guy a bitch is about fake friends because it's like well. Yeah I know that I'm like a double agent I know that I like try to beat my friend to death, but like You know, I'm like nice to my wife. Oh, no, I would never lie like these guys did We know you did like He did cheat on her but like he knew that mike he was for you That was I think after he found out that mike was piping her down. Yeah, and yeah, and also like When an insane woman that's been spying on you is like, do you want to like to go to a cabin?

You like no man's gonna say no. I'm sorry. Yeah. No, Carrie's got gorilla grip for sure. Oh my god. Yeah Not even gonna talk about the throat. Yeah. No, it's just it makes sense but You know abu nizir may not physically have a gorilla grip But he has a mental gorilla grip. That's right. He has the good pussy of islam Because now now we're doing now we're doing flashbacks I love that because that's the most compelling part though. Felix is like like these guys have such a strong hold and such a Uh, it's such a firm hold ideologically on these people that they've turned

Obviously through torture and and and brainwashing like menturian candidate style shit But also because you know the good the the holy faith like being reverts I mean when you think about it homeland actually is about how reverts are way way way more aggro than like, uh, you know People who are born into the religion. So in that sense, I I do see a little bit of a realism there I mean, yeah, isn't that like the guys who did the worst atrocities for isis were guys who are like Yeah, they want I'm like, I'm yeah, I'm getting really back into being muslim Yeah, reverts are reverts are like they I mean, they're like the it's the same with every religion. Okay Mike Pence used to be like a radio talk show guy or still kind of is but you know

Or or had it for a long time born again christian people who Like people who find religion in their adulthood Often do have like, uh, you know the most Uh, they're they're the most right or die per se. So that's that's what the show is actually trying to show here Yeah, I mean it is it is an interesting like I don't think Maybe this is a propaganda angle, but they are like there is an implied thing of like if a charismatic enough muslim talks to you You you will like you're fully hypnotized by Islam. Yeah, it can happen to anyone Yeah, even someone who's you know, a marine sniper. Yeah

but yeah, so they show like, um A few years in the brody's captivity abin is here came in and was like, all right, we're done fucking you up You can sleep on the good dirt floor and I'm your friend And I'm gonna have you teach english to my son And they actually named the son isa, which is the name of the crown for jesus christ. Yep, but um Brody's like I miss my kid so much. I love isa. He's a sweet little boy and everything's going great and Then isa is killed by a drone strike

That was authorized by vice president walden Uh, walden says that any of the dead children shown were actually terrorists Which is a pretty realistic thing for an american president or vice president to say Um brody's fucking pissed. We kind of find out the reason that brody's about to do this. He Yeah, he doesn't have it just cause walden and everyone else is a murderer, but Really, so is kerry really is Everyone brody's interacted with and brody, you know, they're all just as culpable, but nevertheless This eia figure out suit and tie muslim. They're like, oh this guy

This guy did the switch up on us Um, they really can't do anything because the guy's a diplomat for the saudis also kind of realistic Uh brody gets snatched and grabbed by abu nizir's dudes and they FaceTime with abu nizir And abu nizir is like don't fucking switch up on me Come on, man. Like We were both there. They killed my son You're gonna you're gonna run for office and you're gonna win. You're gonna do this for me And

Just like that next episode Walden is like brody We want you to be eric canter and brody's like Absolutely The best time of my life to run for office They're uh, the cia is interrogating suit and tie muslim and saudi diplomat Uh, they find out that he's he's he's he's got a planned meeting with walker Brody goes to kerry's house for some reason and is like hey, hey, I'm gonna be a representative

Um, there are more cabins in our future But uh, you can't tell anyone you can't tell anyone I I I busted in you I mean, that's like that's pretty realistic. Uh, maybe not the cia part, but like, you know representatives busting in random women She's a little like old for a representative. Are this true? Yeah, yeah, he's like, don't tell anyone Don't tell anyone I usually only bust a 34 year old woman. The representatives usually only bust in like, you know, foreign, uh, espionage, uh, actors like the maria between a lady or the

Was it fang fang or something? What was the fucking? Oh, yeah The Chinese spy that eric canter fucked. No, no, it's swallow. Where's eric swallow? I've been eric canter on the brain. By the way, it was awesome. I mean, good for him. You know, he needs to Do a tough job. He needs to be able to get late. She was hot too Yeah, I don't know why people are mad at me But not for me. Was she? Oh, she wasn't hot neither. I don't think maria butina nor uh, the the Chinese spy, uh Was was you know, they they weren't for me. They were not my

They're not sending their best. I think uh, okay, uh, I'm I'm I'm searching for her Uh, I know this is like a huge digression. She just looks like I'm just saying she looks like a normal lady Like she just looks oh, yeah, what the fuck? Yeah, this is just like a normal woman He could have just gone on bumble. What the fuck's going on. Yeah, literally. No, no, no, wait. Wait, wait, wait. I saw Ah wait, no, that's a different woman. Yeah Yeah, I mean she's not like neither of them are like ugly or busted, but it is like it is funny It's like why couldn't you like just gone on bumble? I think I'm sure there's tons of women that would fuck erics wall Well, yeah, erics wall was a he's a he's a quirk the white boy

He's go to with the sauce. You know what I mean? Like he's yeah, he's got like a jock physique I don't know why he I don't know what happened. I mean, I guess she was a big fundraiser for him too early on, you know So maybe that's how I don't know. Anyway, this is this is a total random This is a total digression. This is a total digression. I just want to say erics wall Well, if you are listening you would kill on bumble you get a lot you you know spy woman Would yeah trick you you just like fucked some cute normal women. But anyway, um back to back to homeland There's like a complicated thing with a briefcase that I think I thought was very exciting when I watched this the first time Like almost like 10 years ago and now like don't like like now. It's just like I don't care about these characters

There's like a briefcase bomb The student high evil muslim dies several innocent people do Carrie gets a concussion Saul comes to her in the hospital. Everyone's dream, right? Everyone's dream that you know someone that rebuffed you sexually They visit you in the hospital and they're like, hey all your crazy ideas. You were right about them You know, what what a what a dream come true. Carrie is really She's really killing it

Unfortunately, uh the suitcase bomb It knocks up and loose because Carrie is fucked up. She's manic as hell Uh Saul has to stay with her at her house while she's just you know Go back to some old chicago slang. She's Carrie's tweaking. Carrie's like got a green felt pen. She's going crazy She's like i'm i put his ears here He's fucking I fucked this guy in the cabin and this guy this guy got a briefcase from hand Saul's like

To calm your crazy ass down But he doesn't know what to do. He doesn't know you can just if someone's having a bad trip You can just give them his annex and it kills the trip. He's just he thinks he has to be nice and like make her tea And little does he know he's accomplishing nothing Brody is you know doing campaign stuff. He's like, oh, we're we're we're going to some but fucking battlefield Uh, i'm gonna get my picture taken with my family who has never been more alienated with me Uh, but that is just that that's a pretext to meet with an al-qaeda guy

And he gets a suicide vest and it is he's fitted up. This is like he went to indichine and got tallard The shit's the shit's fucking glistening off of him. It's dripper. Drip and die Uh carry through like the fog of her mania kind of figures out The timeline after Abidazir's son was killed that he may have like successfully flipped brody Uh, she calls brody try to talk about i said try to talk about abidazir

and That like unfortunately another cia guy Comes and is like brody told me everything brody told me that you fucked him that you spied on him That you spied on his family. You're fucked. You're suspended from the cia Tough and this is this is the penultimate episode. This is where it all goes down Brody does a walter white style video where he's like, what's up? I'm brody. I'm muslim I'm so fucking mad at the at the vice president walden. I I did this. I blew myself up

He's he's he's locked in. He's ready to go All these guys are are at the state department including walden for some, you know, bullshit sanctions package or something And brody's invited and brody's tacked up with that vest on under his suit Walker we find out why you had the sniper rifle. He creates chaos. He does some dc sniper shit He fucking blicks up three people with the psg one creating chaos Brody walden everyone they're they're they're they're rushed into a bunker. They're like it's going down. They're fucking they're shooting people Carrie's like, oh my god, that's what walker's purpose was. That's why we had to think he was dead

We needed a really good snipe. I guess I don't know why they needed like a great sniper to just kill three people randomly and Created a problem. I guess they needed a guy who they flipped But I don't know why they couldn't couldn't have just like gotten anyone But that's neither here nor there. I guess it's just they needed a b-plot So all these all these people are in a room with brody who's wearing the suicide vest Carrie goes to brody's house again and is like, look, I know you're really mad at me for everything Uh, but your your dad is about to He's about to drip and die. He's about to hit the suicide vest. He's about to take everyone to hell with him

Including walden. I did like this part. They show walden to have an awful disgusting family Like the sun is like a little fucking pervy cunt I did like that very very very realistic Uh, but they're they're all about to die. It seems brody's about to fucking just go crazy And his daughter calls him and it's like dad like please come home like, you know, we we we miss you Everyone's safe He doesn't do it. He doesn't he doesn't fucking blow himself up

Everyone makes it out Brody now safely home Has a rendezvous with walker. I just want to point something out here just to pause for a second, but like this is Logistically incredibly unsound as far as like assassination methods goes I just I feel like they took the longest way they could to the situation Like this is not this is not the al-qaeda of you know, 2001 that made the most out of box cutters. Okay, this is They're they're unnecessarily complicating things a lot in the minds of in the minds of the person who wrote the show No, yeah, they um

Well, I mean that that's tv right you have to like fill time with b-plots and shit You know you have to like the whole walker b-plot was just like No, we got a fucking hour to fill like yeah He didn't have to be a congressperson to like or use a suicide vest Or blow himself up. Yeah, it is Yeah, no, but it's like, you know, welcome to the magic of tv. That's all I can say Yeah, you're you're really learning about middle brow. What makes middle brow tv middle brow? Um, it's great. He's captivating. Yeah, but um, you know, he's Brody

Talking on the phone. He's like, look, I know you're mad at me for not like killing all these guys But like I'm so close now Like I'm gonna win my I'm gonna win my election and the next I can like kill the president and This here's like, all right, you know Brody, you're my boy kill walker and he really does kill walker this time Carry meanwhile, uh, what what what happens to people with imposter syndrome in the CIA? They give her uh electroshock therapy And right before she's about to be electroshock

She remembers Brody calling out ice's name When he's in a post pussy coma when they're at the at the cabin And it's like, well, oh, was she gonna remember that? Anyway, uh, you know spoiler alert next season is all about Iran and it's like Iran is working for al-Qaeda and abu nizir Like comes to America. They like bring him to America in a fucking amazon box It's like, oh, oh, no, he's in America. Oh, he's gonna be able to do more terror to America Yeah, it's always it's so much easier to do it when the mastermind is on on site Yeah, I mean, it's like, you know, it's like a podcast live show versus, you know, whatever, but um

At the end of that season the CIA headquarters get blowed up and they blame Brody and Brody Brody ends up in I wanted to remember the thing you said about how Muslims are portrayed because in season the start of season three Brody is Homeless in Caracas, Venezuela and finds refuge with like good Muslims and he's like, oh, what's up? Yo, I'm Brody wait, I didn't watch this season I didn't watch this season, but I do know that like there is a tie back to Venezuela as well Right, like this is it is a pure axis of evil. Like it's just literally like Isn't it isn't it also like Venezuela is also a part of this this, uh,

you know this Anti-american, uh, you know collaborators That are harboring resentment against America and like want to blow it up muslim style I think it season four, but I didn't watch season four because season three is so ridiculous I just want to go through what happens in season three. So yeah, he He's like, you know, they everyone thinks he did the CIA thing He's like go find season muslims houses in Caracas. It is like what's up on Brody I'm the I'm the muslim everyone's afraid of will you like harper me and they're like, yeah, sure and then

He did like he's there for a long enough time and they're like, we just called the police like You're you're a disgrace to all muslims Like we're not we're against terrorism. We would never blow up the CIA and then I think the CIA just comes in and blows their brains out And Brody who's like addicted I think they show Brody is like being addicted to heroin And then the CIA is like, okay. We're really mad at you But you can make this right by detoxing from heroin in three weeks and becoming special forces shape again and going to Iran to kill like a sulimani figure And Brody goes there the look at the CIA fire team like all die

Again much simpler much simpler assassination methods as we saw with sulimani like but literally yeah Incredibly complicated for no reason. Yeah, this is I mean They yeah Brody's captured Brody's like I've been on your side the whole time I've been on the side of al-Qaeda and Iran who are together always and uh Uh, yeah, the Iranians like we love Brody Brody's a hero and Brody like Is like well, I got to make this right and beats the sulimani guy to death in his office with like a paper weight They like publicly hang Brody But then they

The the guy who replaces sulimani in goods force is this guy that in the previous season Kerry and Saul got blackmail on like an Iranian intelligence agent who like killed his wife And then like like six months later like the end of the season Saul is like, uh, you know Kerry they're uh They're saying that Iranian us relations are better than they've ever been We really we really swept it. Yeah This show fucking sucks This show is so fucking bad. The show is is basically perfect for uh liberals who want to feel uh the same kind of like anger and righteous Uh indignation towards Muslims that reactionary people feel

You know, it hits all the high notes Americans are the good guys, but they're complicated And they do bad stuff, but they do bad stuff ultimately for a justifiable good goal So you got identity politics. You have like a woman who's being Disrespected for being a woman and also being neuro divergent Uh, you know, she's right from the jump. She fucks up, but that's okay. We're all complicated people the The muslim villains are all collaborating and they're all under the umbrella of islam regardless of like their own complex geopolitical Uh and ongoing battles, you know battles that have gone on for hundreds of years all of that doesn't matter That actually is completely non-existent as a matter of fact and they all collaborate against america

And all of america's foreign adversaries are also uh in on the fight uh themselves this this complex web of Of anti-american uh terrorists, they're all they're all working together and you know, yeah Yeah, like literally everyone is stacked up against america Everyone is trying to make the worst possible thing happen And kind of the only way we can make it right the only way we can make ourselves safe is to be as crooked And to kind of like, you know, believe our own lies to kind of be bipolar in the way the carry is and the way that

um, uh The brody kind of ends up being You know like going to iran and being like i defected and beating a guy to death with a fucking paperweight We literally have to be delusional to to really get this done to really make the world safe just a fucking A real turd of a show, um It was definitely a pilot run on the sort of like id polarization of the cia and intelligence. I would say that zero dark 30 a

spectacularly boring overrated movie Is the refinement of this? um altogether um The first two seasons I would say are like very competent thriller espionage writing But you can literally just watch justified You want a thriller an episodic thriller just watch justified and you'll feel better My dad loves justified and shows like that and he'd never watched homeland

But he knew a lot about it and he immediately came over and spoiled it for me as soon as I was watching while I was watching season one He was like, you know brody fucking dies Right, like I don't know how they continue. He literally just sat down and was like, oh, you're watching this show brody dies I was like, oh, thanks. I mean not that I was gonna watch the rest of it, but like They'll kind of messed up that he just ruined it Your dad has like the exact same taste in tv as I do. Yeah, it's sick. Yeah, he loves he loves watching trash tv Did not watch this did not you know, he avoided it. I don't know why uh, but uh, you know He just didn't find it entertaining. I guess but also still knew that brody died

I don't understand how it went on for eight fucking seasons Oh my god, it like really grip like nat sec lives like they fucking love this and then like I don't know a lot of people who It's hard to it's hard to describe like a middlebrow show like this is like very exciting to watch because it has like Way better performances than you would see on like an equivalent product on most basic cable or network And like yeah, no Claire Danes is a great actor. Uh, the fucking Damian Lewis amazing actor Uh, you may everyone loves Mandy Patinkin but it's sort of it it it really It hides the shit flavor of what you're swallowing and it it, um

They definitely like ran out of ideas midway through season two and it became really fucking dumb down and Like kind of as stupid as 24. I would say which I also find to be a totally joyless show Yeah, I look at this in opposite of like the seasons post uh season two And on season three it says in the aftermath of terrorist attack on landly brody has fled the country So we already talked about that. He's in venezuela and then Kerry is working as season four. Kerry is working as a CIA station chief in Kabul, Afghanistan And later Islamabad, Pakistan She oversees a botched drone strike on the suspected location of a terrorist mastermind

Then season five two years after the events Kerry is no longer an intelligence officer And is now working as the head of security for a private charitable foundation and its billionaire owner in berlin Like so she does I mean there is some realism there at least like they're she's moving into the private sector doing defense or defense contracting work and then after that she goes back and she's um She's working in season six Living in brooklyn working at a foundation that provides aid to muslims living in the united states And also this season features season six features the first female president and occurs between election day and inauguration day so in 20 the 2016 season

Leading up to 20 like the season that they shot in 2016 had a female president winning So I think a lot of that like absolutely signals exactly what the audience they're going for which is like you said natsek lives I just um all of this is like Depressing and discouraging but I want to especially point out how grossed out I am that they had or live in brooklyn Come on guys Can we not do that? They're ruining the sanctity. We like a but yeah, can we like avoid doing that? But hey, this is this is I guess that is sort of the genius of the show. It does track what like very enthusiastic like obama bots and later

You know Whether they k-hive or peat heads or any of those What they were into it really tracks their interest and it is It's sort of the last gasp of a sort of like liberal open racism against muslims. I guess it You know it still exists But the thing is the thing is more like you don't talk about them You don't talk about or show that they you know live on dirt floors And you can't trust 80 of the types of ones you see and that the good ones just die. They get killed by

by bad ones They're all weak or they're evil Um, but you just the way that racism shows is like It's it's good to make your career by killing a ton of them that like Reality winner who has like 500 bodies in the muslim world is Somehow like a hero. I guess that's how it shows but it's no longer as explicit as it was in homeland I don't know how big of a constituency there is for people who like legitimately I think just like the normal position now is like they'll see the

Maybe not the CIA as much. I don't think people think about the CIA that much but Uh, the FBI is like liberal and they're going after, you know, uh white supremacist, uh, you know Trump supporters and stuff, which I mean here and there they do that But it's obviously never going to be like it's it's it's kind of like the CIA is like kkk operations versus like the way that they treated Uh, the black panthers, you know what I mean? Yes Um, so it's never going to be anything, but that is never going to be anything beyond that because like the CIA of the FBI itself is also Uh, you know a white supremacist institution with like express white supremacist interests in its inception so

I don't know how big of like a like how much people love the CIA and like the nats like liberal audience or how big that audience is Uh beyond just like yeah, they protect us. I think our agencies like they're cool And they're supposed to be protecting us Um, but would you say that the show's like the west wing for that small constituency? The constituency that all happens to be living in dc in virginia and our different contractors themselves I don't know. I don't think like I think like for the most part americans don't like thinking about the CIA and espionage Like I don't think that's really why people watch the show I think that it had a secondary function for like

The few very sick people in this country that would describe themselves as nat sec watchers But, um I think it's more that it was just like yeah, it's exciting middle brow tv Like I know a ton of people who watched it who's like politics are You know, definitely not where the show is at. They just found it like an exciting like middle brow show I like I I definitely found it that way at least in the first season when it came out I I think those same people would probably after the last 10 years look back and watch this again and probably feel the same thing

I did But I don't yeah, I just think yeah the constituency of nat sec watchers is so small That it it could never be profitable to expressly make a show for them, right? Yeah, like that is just it's just not enough people. Yeah, I mean even then like the way to sell the cia uh as a uh as an institution that could that cares about like diversity And whatnot like that audience that you are trying to uh recruit from Like you don't want that audience to look too deeply into what the cia is doing You know what I mean because like they if they're college educated liberals like they're gonna

At a certain point they're gonna have to recognize unless they're like deeply deeply racist Or uh, you know coming from like very white supremacist reaction or backgrounds like they're not gonna I don't think that the a person who Uh, it cares about the representation of like uh people with disabilities in media is is then going to be like, you know It's actually cool that we're uh, I don't know like assassinating union leaders or uh, trying to drone strike Strategic targets in different countries that we have declared foreign adversaries Or maybe yeah, no, I think yeah I think it'll just it's like everything else

It's just like this thing that you never think about like most americans with foreign policy. It is just like it is Yeah, that's our default. We never want to think about what's going on or what we may be culpable in But I guess that also means like probably no more homeland for a while No more shows like this for like quite a while Or at least I think so but hey, it could come roaring back I hope they make you never know. Yeah, no, they should make one with like, uh Uh, they should make one with the Gretchen Whitmer kidnappers. Yeah Those dangerous operatives. Yeah

God that that was awesome When I was yeah, when you were supposed to like take that really seriously Yeah, well, the worst part about it is that there are some really fucked up people out there You know, you got the autumn walking people, you know, I mean, there's like definitely some serious, uh, Nazi Uh types that are, you know ideologically positioned they they're they're You do, you know, I mean I get death threats from people like not like that but

Uh, definitely people who larp as them regularly so on on on On the one side, I recognize that like, you know, how do you deal with that? What do you do? How are you supposed to deal with that? But then I do know how you're not supposed to deal with that And that is by I don't know I think like other neurodivergent

White anarchist dudes or whatever the fuck in the middle of nowhere that just are larping as like weekend warriors into purchasing tenorite and you know And getting guns so they can catch them in the act of doing something when you're the one who goaded them into doing it Yeah, yeah, I mean like I I totally agree like there are Awful people out there in this country every day like they know There are truly evil people who like want to do like violent things or like have done them But yeah, the more that we learn about how the fbi the content the kindness of contact that they have with people who commit these hacks a lot of the time

The more you wonder how much they're actually helping the problem and Yeah, I don't know what the solution is really like Solution as far as like something that isn't like broad Broad reaching in a sort of transformation of society But it does it does seem like our current methods of Goading these guys into doing something so you can at best so you can get a big win is Not very good. It's not smart. It's not helping anyone

But you know if you're a carry, yeah, it's helping it's helping the fbi Uh, it's helping their budgets making them look good in the eyes of the media In the eyes of people that are like at least like Kind of following along they'll watch msmbc, but that's pretty much it Yeah, no one talks about the whitmer guys anymore. I think even like the Like nat sec watcher people realize those are just like Fucking saps. Yeah, they were dopes. Well, I mean they got fucked Yeah, look the rule of thumb is like if if your if your ci is doing like

70% of the conversation if he's engaged in like 70% of the logistics like then, you know, those guys weren't doing shit They were not going to be able to do shit on their own you you're just You know, you're you're putting on a show. Yeah, I mean those guys got indicted for like having a scary group chat basically think Ah, what a bad situation What a bad security app or as we built That's depressing

There's no one even as like cool as bandy patinkin in there in real life. Actually. Yeah, but who knows I mean, we'll we'll see I just I don't know Now i'm gonna go back and watch the the latest seasons because I want to see what happens to carry I want to see just skip the season three. It's so funny I want to see I want to see season six when she's working for a foundation that provides aid to muslims living in the united states like what Like how that works, you know what I mean is she is she atoning for her? Uh sins probably not. I suspect she's just like, um, like one of those

It's like majid and the was types, you know what I'm saying Yeah, yeah, like an ex-muslim. Yeah, uh, what's the what's the other lady that's like anti circumcision anti-female circumcision? Oh, uh, uh Uh, you're she fell off. I know you're talking really did a lot of those guys did because but why do they fall off? Because no one cares anymore. Like it's it's kind of a faux pas Like it's kind of that people just know that like it's it's It's a no-no to just like say these things now out and about like bill mar doesn't even talk about it as much anymore like the whole Everyone's too focused on cancel culture now and how fucking woke the libs are or whatever

To to care about like how woke the libs were about islam like how about how barack above is a secret muslim sympathizer Yeah, and I guess like yeah, that is kind of like a good closing note for this that like everyone you see like a Not everyone you see I think that's a little too broad But a lot of like a lot of the people you see who are like hackering you about like vote like a black woman and Refugees are welcome here up until like really Really up until like donald trump started talking about muslims They they were just fine with like the most awful rhetoric and treatment of muslims by the empire

Just it was totally okay for a very long time. Yeah It's the same with black lives matter before donald trump came out against callin capper nick like Even the podjons were not very fond of blm as a movement and this is like all retcont now I feel like people just like totally forgot about this, but That was a turning point for blm like blm turning into oh, obviously Uh, what we know it as now, which is a co-opted completely commoditized movement that isn't Uh, what the actual movement is on the streets, obviously, but um even but before we got to that stage Like it was still considered to be negative

And and yeah, that was just only until they assassinated all the guys who actually like lived in ferguson and shit Oh, yeah, I think those guys they were yeah once those guys were dead. It was like, okay Now we can like this is this can be something that like nike and like gusher's tweets about okay. Yeah I it's just like I do think that liberals themselves are Pretty like they are reactionary in that way where they do operate on them. They do operate on on a reactionary point of view not only when it comes to like actual Revolutionary movements or any sort of like radical Uh, any sort of radical activism that occurs on the ground their immediate predisposition is like no don't do that

That's terrible. That's going to hurt our chances in the Uh, you know in the midterms or that's going to hurt our chances in the election cycle Uh, like the the jim coli burns of the world that say stuff like that, right? But also they also react to like what conservatives are Uh stating as well like they they kind of find their own political ideology Or rather, uh, the the things that they claim to care about the movements that they're on board with Uh by by what uh movements the republicans are against. Well, I mean like that is

In that way that's kind of like the cultural space that like something like homelanders here at dark 30 occupies There was like this internalization of republican like war on terror rhetoric where it's like Oh, no, actually like we're going to do a better job in the war on terror than bush. We're actually like we care more We're we like we would have killed like more people in afghanistan. We actually like obama ran on like Afghanistan's the good war. I'm going to spend more resources there and It's it was very clunky for a while. The first iteration of it was like john carry Yeah, but

Homeland is like it's the full refinement of that and now, you know, everyone's done caring about it No one gives a shit about the war on terror anymore We're out of afghanistan and it's this this thing. We'll never fucking think about even though we are Left with this fucking bloated security state and you're supposed to like take your fucking shoes off and get blasted with x-rays every time you fly from like chicago to demoyne and You cannot repair the lives of just the american muslims who were spied on and trapped and fucking You had the fbi try to bully them into spying on their families who weren't even doing fucking anything

You can't undo that you can't You can't get back the individual liberties that we lost But it's just this thing that no one wants to think about Uh And the only way that you would know it's it would happen is by going to the airport or by going back and watching homeland Or looking at i mean looking at police departments too Yeah, and see how fucking fat and inflated their budgets are which was already happening, but i think it definitely like It definitely, uh, you know push it into it into the next level. Yeah, just go yeah go to

Or go to yeah any place in america Like look at look at cops before and look at cops on 9 11. Have you ever watched 9 11 footage? Oh, yeah No, they just they're not Yeah, they're like they're not tacked up. Yeah, they're all they're all normal. They're not like operators Like they're not normal, but like they they don't look like operators now cops all cops are operators all the time Don't stop. Yeah, they started doing steroids during the warrant error or more Yeah, and that's like those are that that's the permanent mark that will stay there forever as like some of the some of the negative consequences of like

One of the millions of different negative consequences of the warrant error and like post 9 11 america. Yeah, and i think like Some of it like will be rolled back, but it will be rolled back after like All the people who were adults during the start of the warrant error are dead And it's it won't be a big ceremonious thing. It'll be like You know someone with no memory of this or no emotional connection to it either will be like Wait, like what the fuck like why are we? It wouldn't like why are we do we really need to do like the shoes? And then like just one day you won't have to do it and you you won't think about like why we had to do it why we

You know built the greatest security apparatus the world had ever seen yet all these things slipped through and we still have to Perform these ridiculous humiliating actions and so many people got their lives destroyed but That'll you know that'll be that and then we'll like probably half at least half of them will become permanent things that we never get rid of and uh It'll just be on to the next thing the next thing will happen and we'll make a fucking shitty show about that And then hopefully have all these things that we just accept as another indignity in life All I'm saying is like that's life. I want to end on this note. I think they giddy and raff if he wrote tyrant like a couple years after

It was too ahead of it is too ahead of its time Like the Assad sentiment had not like fully fleshed out like we just didn't care I think when he first popped off with it when it came out do you remember like around the time it came out in 2012 it came out like a year after homeland did And around that time there was like a big thing about obama talking about the red line in syria, right? And all these republicans in congress were like no like fuck you you're not like we're not getting involved in syria And there was like this viral picture of this guy in the u.s. Navy with his face and like name tag linked out He was holding up a sign that was like

I didn't sign up for the navy to provide uh artillery support for al-qaeda which was Is you know, it's one of those things where it's like actually like that kind of is your job just like literally the type of shit we do but um I mean, I I think like the country seemed like very against it. I don't care what polls say people just seem very against it but um

Hasan where can people find you? Uh, people can find me on my twitch stream at twitch.tv slash hasa navi are on instagram at hasan d piger or on twitter at hasan the hun Um, that's where I'm at. I'm mostly just on twitch though all day every day for like the few people that don't know you We will put like links to everything and links to the your podcast in the description of the show Oh, yeah, thank you so much. Thank you for having me. This was wonderful. My pleasure This will not stand this aggression against the kueh We will make no distinction. The u.s. Is cold was attacked while refueling in the port of this was an act of terrorism Terrorism, it is a despicable encounter by those the next time what we're going to think for you if you're winning a good

Something stops him. I'm just making sure we don't get hit again Five five you must and we will remain vigilant