Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - 6/12/17 Talking Fear Season Three Ep. 1, 2 & 3

Episode Date: June 12, 2017

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Has anyone actually watched the show? Yes. I mean, just start to piss me off. No comment. Right? We're doing all three of them, one, right? Yeah. Yeah.

We're back from vacation. Exactly. Batman died. It has nothing to do with fear, although it does fear. It does fear. What are interesting. Have we started? I thought that was an echo.

Nope. It's called Great Minds Thinking alike. We start and it's Talking Fear. That's it. I'm letting it roll. I'm letting it roll. Absolutely. One of my notes is ham sandwich.

What? I think I just got hungry in the middle of the episode and I thought that was probably more important. So this is Talking Fear. Thank you so much for listening. And it's good to be back. We missed the first couple of episodes

We didn't miss them We didn't miss them We just weren't here to explain Exactly what happened to you Has there been three or two There's been three Last week was opening week Of fear

And they did back-to-back shows Has walking day ever done that? I don't think so They don't need to do that They usually have the extent Right They usually just have the extended shows Not back-to-back episodes

I would rather have the back-to-back episodes because the extended episodes are just basically means extended commercials. Yeah, the extended. That's it. The back-to-back episodes were kind of cool. Yeah. It was a good idea. Yeah, I liked it.

And I really enjoyed these first two episodes, actually. I... Oh, no, no, I said really enjoyed. I was intrigued with the setup. Let me put it that way better. Were you drinking? Probably. I may have had something good.

Oh, so you didn't like it that much? No, I thought it was... Actually, I thought it was good, and I thought the guy had written ISIS on his head. when they were in the... Wow. When they were in the... You know, when they were shooting them, I thought he wrote ISIS.

It turned out to be the time. But I thought, why did he... 15? Yeah, yeah. And I thought, why did he write in ISIS? Isn't this supposed to be in an alternate universe? The voice you're hearing is Brad Staggs. I just thought that was trippy.

And I thought, wow, are they crossing over? Because you know they did that on purpose. They might have. So it looked like... Yes. Yeah. Well, I... Yeah.

Well, that was not an accent. That scene. where they're like down in that little dungeon or whatever. I've actually seen an ISIS propaganda video that looked very similar. That voice is Jason Buttrill. That's which means they probably that's, yeah. So I don't think that was by accident at all. Interesting.

And it made people, do you know, ISIS on his forehead? And what's that it? It reminded me of the rock with Sean Connery. No, I think he meant Dwayne Johnson. That voice is Sean Foster. Actually, I kind of enjoyed the first two episodes a lot, up until they killed Travis. I know we're backtracking a little bit,

and we'll just have to bear with us because we were on vacation, and that's just the way it is. We're making as much sense as a show. Yeah, we actually are. But the first two episodes were good, and I felt like, you're right, I kind of felt like the setup was they were starting to make it a little bit better,

and the characters were starting to define themselves. And we really needed to, yeah. Yes, most importantly, Travis, actually they turned him into a badass, which was really, really good. It felt good to have someone on the team that we're supposed to like be likable that wasn't dead. And then what happened? He's dead.

He killed him. But did any of you care when he died? No. That was the weird. No, I did, though, because they had just started making me like him. I thought, oh, my gosh, they're making me like Travis. He's a bad. That's great.

That's great. Look at me. Finally, something. Had they killed him. Were you surprised, though? I mean, when it happened,

we did you go, it was like, crap, did they, yep, they did. Yeah, I'll give you that.

I'll give you that. Are you kidding? Are you kidding Travis? Was he trying to show Alicia his guts? When she looked down, there was like this shot of, it looked like his guts were hanging out.

Yeah. How'd that happen? Because he got shot from, yeah, through the bottom of the helicopter, went up through him. Oh, and came out his neck.

Yeah. Yeah. But I just, I'm sorry, I just did not care. You've not been in the military before. It was too little too late. It was too late. Only when I landed on the, I thought, the shores of grenade with you. Don't try to take my war from me.

Don't do it. Stolen valor from you, yeah. But that's my only experience, really. So I didn't realize he'd been shot from the butt up. Yeah. Wow. I still just, I didn't care. I liked how they tried to make him into like a kind of like a,

badass. It was almost like a Rick Grimes recreation. You know, him with the post-apocalyptic Walker or whatever. So I was digging that. But then when he died, it was just like too little too late. I mean, he hadn't been developed enough for me to care. He could have died any another number of ways. I just did not care. And then the thing that irritated me, you've lifted a cinder block. Yeah.

He was. Yeah. I mean, okay, you can go well, he had adrenaline. But, I mean, it's hard to throw a cinder block. Yeah. Over your head and hit some dude. Maybe for you, Grandpa. Right.

But for the rest of us. And by the way, if you get even nicked by the corner of that cinder block and you're standing up there and it's going to hurt. You're not going to go, oh. Yeah. Yeah. That's, you know, those are little things that bother me. Yeah, but I, you know, the whole set up, though, felt freaky and eerie and just kind of, I don't know.

What were they there? Okay. So the last thing we saw last season was they, you know, all these, they're getting surrounded. and then all of a sudden they're being taken to this. Yeah. What was it? Completely skipped all that. Yeah, they know.

So they're just all of a sudden there and what were those guys doing there? They were there to get water. Oh, no, no, fuel. They were there to get fuel. Fuel for the ranch, right? Right. And then they just decided to stop and. Because that kid's crazy.

Do some testing, yeah. I didn't think that I didn't, I didn't think they were testing them at first. I thought it was almost like a terminus situation. I thought so too. Where they were going to eat them or harvest them for food or something like that. Until he gets the spoon in his eye. It's the old spoon in the eye trick. What is that kid's fascination with Madison?

Did you get that? I thought that was. As like a mom figure? I mean, we find that in the third episode that he, I guess, had some issues with his mother.

Remember that? Where he said that his dad said that he took care of his mother or whatever. And she said, well, because Madison said, I'm sure your mom would do anything if you were lost in the,

and my mom passed. Yeah. Which, of course, reminded me of the joke we used to play in high school. Where we used to say, hey, go ask Jason how fast his brother runs the mile. And then you go up to Jason's, hey, how fast is your brother on the mile? You go, man, it's not funny.

My brother doesn't have any legs. And that's what we do. But that was a say. I don't even like a joke. I don't even like a joke. That's just not funny. It's cruel. It's a cruel kid joke, which I thought, okay, that just reminded me of that joke.

That's fantastic. See? Well, I mean, it is the old, you know. I was still drunk from Mexico. Wouldn't you agree with that about your mom? But it is that how to kill up a main character. How to kill up a main character is that easily, though, and without any, like, nobody cares about this main character dying.

He was there from the beginning. Right. Well, you saw all the press that it got. Well, wait. Exactly. Can you say anything different from any other one of the characters in this show? No. I don't care.

Except. Except with my man, when they brushed off my man, Daniel, who I thought for sure was still alive. and everybody poo-poohed me, but they never showed him dying in the fire when they burned the house down at the end. Hold on. I want to point out the same scenario that just happened with Travis. We have not seen him die yet. Except that I will say that I heard an interview with him right after that episode.

And they made a big deal about him being dead. I don't buy that for sale. I believe that I kept thinking, well, maybe we'll see him. This week I thought, well, maybe when they go out looking to see what happens. they'll find like a pile of goose with Travis's head sitting on top you know trying to bite him or something so they'll have to actually kill him

so Madison will actually have to put an axe through Travis's head or something which I think would be great well he's been cast in the avatar sequel so I think he's done really oh he's done yeah good ridd's and you think why wouldn't they show him dead then

he fell out of a helicopter under trees and he's been shot in the butt through the butt up through his neck. I don't know if you ever been shot the butt before. Drew it. Drew it. I mean, but that is an inconvenient truth about the entire franchise.

Unless you actually see, every time they kill off a character, he dies brutally and gruesomely. Right. If they don't show it, they leave it open. So they're leaving it open for a reason, I think. Very possible.

Very possible. I mean, maybe goes off and shoots Avatar and comes back in a surprise. Maybe. Hey, like old Daniel Snellazar. Was happy to see. Noel Fisher.

Who? From Shameless. Yes. Of course, he lasted what? Half an episode. Half an episode, if that. And then got sucked. Okay, this really irritated me.

So when he gets sucked into the wall, first of all, why is there a vent in that wall right there? Right. The drywall hadn't been finished. Why did they already put the vent in the wall? Why were there rats coming out of the hole in the wall? Tell me you didn't love the wall walkers with the herd of rats.

I did like it. But, come on. Okay. Wump was the last thing you saw. He's getting pulled in, right? And it catches the bottom of his chin on the wall, right? So it starts to kind of rip up off his head. But then they cut to the wide shot and it's his feet going in last. Oh, detail. There's two of those. And when, what's her name, the girlfriend that was sick the entire three episode run. Right.

Sick. The whole, what did she do? The whole time, like, I'm sick. And she just laid there. The whole three episode run. There was a whole thing with her and her. arms. I just continuity erred. Sean, you should know that. Really irritated me. And then when the guy said, hey, your women are in danger, bro. Remember that? The guy's sitting next to Travis. Oh, yeah. Your women are in danger, bro. It's Mexico. It's L.A. You got to say, bro. I just was so, first of all, how do you know he has women? I mean, how did, first of all, how did Matt Madison just kept asking the crazy brother about Travis? How did he even know the guy's name was Travis?

We never saw that set up. Travis is okay. He's downstairs. And then your women are in danger, bro. How do you know I've got women? There was just a lot of that going on where it's like, okay, this is all disconnected stuff. I think he was probably drinking on vacation. Right?

It might have overstepped you. You might have missed a scene or two. I'm telling you. I know. I know what you're saying. There's just so many missed opportunities in this show. There's so many, like, it goes. into, was there a full setup scene before they actually got taken?

Did they just cut out? No. Because that was the most dramatic part of last season was when they finally get to the border, that shootout, and then nothing. The next thing we see is they're getting taken to that facility. They're getting dragged in there for what? And then, I mean, that could have, you could have spent half the season in that facility. Yeah. You could have developed that.

They just blow through plot lines on their show like nothing I've ever seen. Yeah, and it's like getting out of Los Angeles too early. You know what I mean? Like you had a golden opportunity. Now you're in a terminus style building where they're doing mad scientist stuff on you. That's cool. That's three episodes. Or a season.

Yeah, that's a lot of content. Yeah, you don't know what they're doing downstairs because you don't see it for the first. But no, we see it right off. Boom. Okay, that's what they're doing. So these guys are just jerks. And this kid, that kid is, I don't know, man. I have an issue with the casting of him

because he's just, I don't know, you'd think of some real evil type character. He just seems like a punk. He seems like a slimy punk. He took a spoon in the eye too. Yeah, that was kind of insane. I'm sorry, but I just, how, I mean, I remember that time you had that spoon in your eye, Jeffrey? Yes. I mean. It was just one of those, it was just one of those chocolate shake spoons.

Well, yeah, but it's still a spoon. How do you communicate with a spoon in your eye? How do you dream that scenario up? Well, I can see that. But, I mean, you've got a spoon in your eye. That has got to hurt so bad. How would you even be coherent? Well, it's not going to kill you.

No, but you've got a spoon in your eye. I know, but if you pull it out just right to, like me, the eyeball stays right where it was. The spoon went right over. He's playing with his eyeball right now, everybody. It's only slightly looking off the opposite. We're not recording this, so he's actually. We can't really tell.

Lane with his eyeball right now. Yeah, there's no big guests for a fear. is this just a podcast i wanted to want to be able to do this one in my underwear okay so just leave me alone which uh we are having a suffer through to walk in dead podcast and then how did he know Travis was in the pit

the crazy brother they asked because she kept going where's where's Travis he's in the pit he's in the pit how did he know he didn't he he wasn't there for that whole thing when they took Travis but he was in charge he's in charge so he kind of ordered it yeah he told him he said take him out didn't he say take him outside

he said take him outside and give the special treatment or something like that. Oh, man, that's the special treatment. Right. It was something like that. Right. Yeah. I wonder if that costs extra.

All right. So that's the first couple episodes. So we're already in some sort of, what? What are we doing? And now they're at the farm. So then we get to last night's episode. Mm-hmm. And we're at, what's the name of the ranch?

Jack Dog. Churchill Green's Farm. No, I mean, the actual name of it, though, because They're trying to back it up now with the setup of him running his commercials for the end of the world. Yeah, he's like one of those prepper type. Right. And we saw, broke jaw, broke jaw. Because I was thinking he broke back.

Yeah, broke jaw because, you know, they were at the rents. You would think broke back. You know, he made all kinds of money, right? Because he showed the pantry underneath the house, which was monstrous with, you know, they made a point of showing all the food and all the weapons. it would be heaven for for our crew to get a hold of that on walking down.

Take over the world with that. I mean, Negan would back off. Yeah. That right there. But so we're at the we're at the broke jaw. That's it. I couldn't remember what broke jaw. So they're playing his videos, right?

And then Madison sneaks in and finds the outtake video miraculously of him being a jerk to his wife and kids whatever whatever I want Madison to be dead wow I think you know what I do well so far they've killed off the entire Manawah family it would remember this was

supposed to be a show about how tough it was an integrated family in the apocalypse and now that whole half of the family gone right so it's gonna be pretty easy for yeah she's the only one with her two crazy kids left right that's true that's true

that's so yeah that's and then she's whining to you know mr. broke jaw about Nick is an addict but I kind of I still I can't the how they're missing this just goes beyond me because it's that's actually a cool setting again it's the same it's the same as it's that's cooler than the ranch you know the whole but we're still this prepper compound could be really cool but so far we've gone through terminus and now we're at the farm it's all they've done is change the names of stuff it could be like Herschel's ranch where the whole season was on their ranch but I see yeah like that I see this is definitely different than the Herschel ranch though I mean

these are people that have been planning for this even before they knew anything right zombie apocalypse yeah you know they're so they changed the care what the heck do they call the end of the world Td Wauke or what the heck is that to Waka to Waki to walk it's like well what mr. brook Joe says in his video yeah what Taya Waka What is it? Tai Waka? You call me that again, we're going to fight.

Is this a Bill Maher episode? Right? What's happening right here? Don't, don't. I'm sorry, did I offend you? I am not afraid to use words. I don't know what you're talking about in this room anymore. Teo Tohaki.

Teo Tohaki. What the heck is that? Indian name for the end of the world. Native American is there? You know, like that. I always used to say. Dio to Waki. Yeah.

So we had that, and then we had, so we get the, my favorite part of the entire episode was the Bible study. I want to be invited to that Bible study. That's my Jeff Fisher Bible study. They named their head after you. Yes, they did. It spelled with a G, though, very disappointing. Oh, well.

How do you know it was spelled with the G? Was it written somewhere? They said it in talking, walking after me. I just happened to catch part of the episode post here with the talking dead. And anyway, my great, great setup for the let's get drunk and get high, talk some Bible, a little bit of Bible. And the playing with Jeff wants a head. or Jeff wants to know and asking questions, you know,

with the head of the Walker. And if you didn't see it yet, what they did is they brought a caged head that was still alive. Now, you want to know what's wrong with it? I'm not sure, yeah, I'm not sure how that head would still be alive, though, right?

Because when they decap it, that kills them. No, because remember the governor, governor had the whole fish tanks full of them. So how are they keeping the... Anyway, it doesn't... Okay. Anyway, it's in the cage.

rate slowly over time and their stomachs disappear how do they still eat no I understand but I'm just saying that there's a lot of those questions we just I know I know I should just not ask the questions but uh just not ask the story part that irritated me was it was the cheap way of doing the head in the in the cage they should have had it hanging by a hook so it was like in midair in the cage every time they swing the kid the head boots but instead they did this steep table mirror table with a guy underneath sticking the set through the table details

right they couldn't even get that they asked the question on talking dead last night although they tweeted about it what the backstory was for Jeff I mean he was obviously the camp preacher right before he got his head decaven it he was obviously the camp preacher that's why they were going to

Bible study right that's what did she spray on him remember she took the perfume must have been perfume well you'd be tank hard yeah i mean oh my gosh there's a very little dental work done on the wall of the decapitated head that breath starts to reach your brush more that that whole scene shocked the crap out of me i i thought that they were going to like attack her when she got down because you know i thought so too they were

setting up how they were hostile to their family at least something at least they should have at least gave her some sort of threat instead of so welcoming into the bible study of all of a sudden here we're drinking and partying why don't you join us us. You know, and they did all that and they didn't even get naked. What the hell? I know, right? I mean, why would you do a Bible study with dope and booze if you're not going to get naked? That doesn't make any sense to me. Who else expected? We're going to make this show more interesting. Thank you. Yes. Naked, booze, and Bible study. If you're going to have Bible study with a head in the cage, let's get naked. Who else thought here thought that when Nick and Crazy Brother, what's his name?

Yes. We're rolling around the ground. Yeah, spoon. We're going to kiss. That was the idea. You're just thing ever. So I watched at the other. I was like,

and then he starts laughing. Cackling. Yes. It wasn't even believable in the laugh. I was like, what is he doing? You're right. The director walked away from the set

for like five minutes. Yeah. Like a Nick mating call or something like that. I wanted him to start kissing. I think we can be friends now. Another gay relationship. Yes, I could. Well couldn't figure out what was going on with that one.

He literally thought that is because he stole that journal and ripped up pages and it was hilarious and he would roll around on the ground and wait for him to pounce on top of him What'd you do? I know Oh, I tripped I'm sorry did I land on top of you? That would have been better. Yes, it would have been. It would have been.

It would have. Especially after he even commented prior to that about, you're going to stand around watching two old people, bone. Yeah. Stop it. Who we? And broke jaw. Their head broke jaw ranch. Oh, my gosh.

We could rewrite a satirical version of this show so easily. Oh, my God. It's all tying together now. It is really tied together. I see what they're doing. We see what they're doing. We have to be doing this. You don't take purpose.

You're not taking this seriously. We just decoded it right now. That's the only logical answer. Right. For any of it. So then we get to Dingleberry. What's his face? Strand.

The only interesting story. And he's, that's the only one I'm interested in right now. He's 100 miles away. Yep. And he drives and if you're in Mexico and you're a citizen of Mexico and you're a citizen of Mexico. and you've been standing in line for how many hours at the end of the plague for water to going up to this dam,

which we don't know why they're, at least they haven't told us why all these people are standing in line, but he's driving by them, telling them sorry in Spanish, you know, as he's driving by them in his convertible jag, are you letting him drive all the way up to the front?

No way you know. I don't think so. I don't think he makes it. No. Like somebody's going to say, bro, it's end of the line. Yeah. Jagger, no, jag.

And by the way, you know what? The Jag is mine now. Yeah. You know what? It's mine. Yeah. I think we've reached that point in civilization where people will be taking stuff.

Absolutely. Oh, yeah. So they go up to the dam and with Strand, which is Jason, you're right. It's a great, I mean, that. Like, I want to find out more about that. There's actually, so we know stuff about Strand's past. That's kind of like the setup.

So we know he was involved these crazy shady deals. Right. He's meeting another one. He's crazy shady people. He actually has a backstory that we, it's interesting. It's the only one besides Daniel. It's the only one. Right.

And we also know that now that this guy, another big drug lord, only kept Strand around nice because Thomas, the dead boyfriend, made it so. I love Strand. He's my boyfriend. You'll deal with him. Right? And my mom and I are the big drug lord's and so are you, but you ain't going to mess with Strand.

Because he said at the end of the train. Did he actually die thinking you loved him? Yeah. And Strand was like, I did love him. Shut up. Shut up. Throw him off that damn. Throw him into the pit of walkers.

That was a jacked up way to die, though. When I saw the other guy go down. So basically like breaks his back so he can't move and then gets devoured. I mean, that was pretty jacked up. Good way to have him. But it was also, it was, it was very iconically creepy for walking dead. like what we're used to seeing that type of stuff. Again, why do we only get the interest?

I don't know. It's got to be a joke. Do they have different writers for the different, you know, storylines here? Because this one seems so much better. Yeah, I think, yeah, I think that the stories are all written by different writers. I mean. No, I know.

They changed show runners all the time. Well, so they have like six, five or six writers. So each one of them are pairing up and writing an episode and kind of hopscatching that way. I wish we knew who the writers were doing the strength. storyline and who did the Daniel Salazar storyline and all that I just have a feeling with him coming back yeah I really am it was very it was great to see him show up did you think it was real when you saw it no I didn't either especially when they teased it with the angel when he said he was

going to be his guardian angel exactly yeah thought same thing okay okay yeah but uh I mean walking away and then the teaser for next week's episode looks as though He is back. He is there. And good. Listen, fear. First of all, thank you.

For listening to us. Thank you for listening to us. And finally coming around to realizing that some of the characters that were good, you didn't need to kill off and get rid of. So it was good that you left it kind of open that Daniel was still alive because he didn't burn up in the fire so he could still be alive. Now, I don't know if you can do that with Travis because he was quite the puss anyway. And nobody really liked it. Up until the Andy grew the set.

But your plan, your idea originally was to, hey, let's build up characters so people like them and kill them. That doesn't work. That doesn't work. What works is you build up characters so people like. And then the side characters, you kill them off. Yeah. You kill them off.

You kill off some of their friends. So it builds the strength of the characters that you want people to like. It ain't that. hard. Why don't you see what Jeff thinks? Jeff wants to know. Hey, so if we see Daniel come back, will Ophelia come back as well?

Well, that was the question. Yeah, we haven't seen her anywhere. Because she apparently was kidnapped at gunpoint by Jeremiah in the second season finale. Did they say his name? I don't remember. She was trying to cross the border. She was kidnapped by the tree there or whatever, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. By the tree. No, yeah, because that's when I thought Daniel was coming back. But I thought it was actually, I thought that was Daniel originally before they showed her being taken hostage. Yeah. Well, maybe it was Jeremiah ought to taking her hostage then. Okay. Maybe he's, maybe she's there.

Well, wouldn't that be convenient if they all end up at the same place? Again. Again. And haven't they gone from L.A. down to Mexico and back up? Yes. Aren't they making a big circle? Yes, they are. Okay.

Yeah. Just checking. You got a problem? Nope. Not even a little. I wouldn't want to stay in Mexico. I want to write. I don't know.

They're pretty well behaved. Yeah. You can ride around the sports car and they don't care. Hey. Go ahead. Go to the front of the line. Okay, Amigo. That would never happen.

I guess it's not the real border that we're talking about because you don't go to the border. You don't see. But the guy that, I'll be fascinated to see what happens at the dam. Yeah. We've got, I mean, that's a great storyline. You're right. the Strand storyline. I mean, because he's breaking down Strand again, treating him like crap because

of, you know, bad wheeling and dealing over the years. But this guy, you know, owns the water, right? It's his water. There's got to be battles for that. Right. I mean, even Brokejaw is going to want that. Other people are going to want... The ranch broke

jaw. Why are you... It's got to be comedy. At this point, there's no other explanation. They are writing this. for last. I think it was a great name. I didn't say it wasn't.

It's a great name for a joke. I mean, you cannot get... The end of the world. It's just... And they've got a head in a cage. But what's interesting, go back to Brogjaw. I think it's interesting on what they're building. That's the sequel.

Go back to Brogaw. Back to Brogjaw. So, but you can already tell what they're setting up for what Madison's already setting up. Yes. There's no secret at all. She's trying to become mommy to the craziest dude that's there. With her little napkin at the picnic table and stuff. She put it in his lap.

Oh, my God. I was like, I don't want to repeat. He goes, there's your kids over there. She goes, oh, I know. I don't want to repeat myself, but shut up. They're a little napkin. Well, maybe it's a May-September romance thing. There could be.

Maybe the spoon was like four-point. Right, after you stick a spoon in somebody's eye, you know. He just don't know what kind of feelings you're going to come out with. Right. You know what? So you have Madison with the spoon. Spooned him and see where it goes from there. Again.

That's they spoon. Oh, man. And the problem is, the problem is now what we're building is that Madison has spooned him and is having an affair with him. But now he's also having a affair with Madison's son. Oh, yeah. He and Nick are hooking up, so he's torn. Oh, this is going to be sticky. Right?

Right. Yep. And definitely. I mean, without the water from the dam, it will be sticky. Yep. Are we done? I think so. I hope so.

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