Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - Ep 212 | Amber Guyger Verdict is IN!, Horses on the Loose, & Library Forgives Fines | Guest: Dr. Alex del Carmen

Episode Date: October 1, 2019

Looks like DFW is all over the news and Jeffy brings you the news about the Amber Guyger cases. Dr. Alex del Carmen, heads up the School of Criminology, Criminal Justice and Strategic Studies at Tarleton State University in Fort Worth. More DFW news like horses on the loose, library fines, and old man shoots someone.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

And now, a Blaze Media podcast. Why do I have to be happy that China is celebrating its 70th anniversary today? Why? I'm not. Everybody, happy anniversary, happy birthday, great stuff. No, I refuse to be happy about China celebrating their 70th anniversary today. No. You can't make me wish them happy birthday.

You can't make me wish him happy anniversary. I don't care how many parades they have. have. I don't care how many ballistic missiles they parade by the Ling Chi Chow, the head of the company or whatever country or whatever his name is. What's his name? G. Right? China's head guy? I don't even know his name. I don't care. I don't want to know his name.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's him. That guy. The guy that's saluting the military going by with his ballistic missiles. No. I'm not being happy about it. No. Can't make me. The Amber Geiger trial has come to, well, a conclusion of what she was found. Guilty or not guilty. Today, the jury reached their verdict in Dallas. And Judge Tammy Kemp read their finding.

Dan. We the jury unanimously find the defendant, Amber Geiger, guilty of murder, as charged in the indictment. No outburst. And it is signed by the presiding juror who is juror number 11. Mr. Rogers, would you like to have the jury poll? All right.

You may be seated, Ms. Geiger. We're going to take a break. You all have a long lunch break today. And we will resume court at 1 p.m. Yeah, they're going to resume court and find out, you know, the sentencing phase of the trial. Joining me is Dr. Alex Del Carmen. Alex, good to have you on again. How are you, sir?

Doing well. Good to be here. I appreciate you coming on. Alex, of course, is a criminologist and law enforcement trainer at the Charleston State University here in Fort Worth. So he's familiar with the DFW Metroplex. And have you been following this case of Amber Geiger? I have. surprised with the guilty verdict murder and not manslaughter?

You know, I am. I actually thought that she was going to get manslaughter instead of murder, but, you know, one of the mysteries that we have in our criminal justice system is exactly how that jury is going to respond. I was really surprised that they're going to get with murder. Do you think that, and this is just at the time of this recording, as we're recording chewing, is that the jury has not reached any kind of sentencing in court.

So what's your gut feeling on the sentencing for Amber? You know, they're likely going to be as punitive as they were with the actual sentence. I mean, again, it's hard to guess, but I cannot imagine if they actually cross that threshold of murder that they're going to give her something more lenient than not. You know, when you think of the definition of murder, it carries the unlawful premeditated killing of a human being. Right. And so, I mean, the minimum is what, five to 99 years, right? I mean, it's somewhere in that neck of the woods. So you're thinking, you know, a lot more than five. A lot more than five, you know, if I were to guess. But then again, you know, we may be surprised, you know, when they actually sentenced her that they may be more lenient than what we think. It's just that it's really shocking. I mean, to many of us that have been following a trial, we never thought that this was going to come out as murder.

I did not either. right but something something most registered with those jurors that they felt that impact was a murder. I mean, I will say I watched not every minute of the trial but I watched a lot of it

and you know there were a couple of turning points in that trial that made me question Amber's actions that night but I didn't think you know obviously she's going into the wrong apartment

and that's been proven that you know many people in that complex did and have been doing and continue to do is walk into the wrong apartment and so I mean that's not a surprising act what's surprising is once she realized that she was in that wrong apartment her actions were I mean her testimony really kind of turned me the wrong way and that's just me I'm sure that you saw her testimony was there something that that changed your mind at all or did you stick with manslaughter altogether through the whole thing? Well, you know, I mean, I've trained, you know, thousands of police officers over the past 21 years. And unfortunately, you know, in this profession, you know, law enforcement,

you do have some variables that a lot of people can understand. And one of those things is, you know, I think the most powerful aspect of our testimony was when she said, when she was asked, did you intend to kill him? And she said, yes. Well, some people in that jury box may have actually heard that and thought, oh, so this was clearly premeditated. But the police officers. He's trained for that. Right. Right. Right. So for me, I zeroed in on that because I thought, okay, so this is where the divide between somebody that's trained police officers versus someone that has not may actually reach a very different type of conclusion, right? You know, to that jury box, you may have meant that she intended to kill them and was premeditated to do so.

Right. To the rest of us, we know that that's what police officers are trained to do if they're trying, if they're going to engage in a legal force. Well, I mean, that's the fault of, of, of, After she said that, I mean, the defense should have used that and had, you know, other police officers and training to talk about that's what she meant, right? No question. No question. And I thought that was a missed opportunity for that defense team to come back and say, wait a minute. So explain, let's explain what this means. Police officers, whenever they feel there is a lethal threat to themselves or to individuals around them, they are going to use force, lethal force.

You know, I mean, look, the images of somebody, a police officer shooting at somebody's leg or arm, because they don't want to really kill him. I mean, those were the days of Hollywood. I was going to say, no, we're not shooting at a hand. That's a movie. Right. Right. Right.

They're going to do what we call center mass, which is they're going to shoot at someone where there is the largest level of volume to neutralize the threat. That's what they're trying to do. So, you know. Yeah. So were you concerned that if, like many people here in the Metroplex and DFW and maybe even other communities, but for sure here in Dallas Ford Worth, that if the verdict were to come back not guilty, that we would have some sort of civil unrest? I think, you know, there's always that challenge, you know, and I can understand that, right? So from inside of civil rights, you know, I mean, you've got this sort of what appears to be. a prevalent, you know, notion throughout the United States where, you know, if you're black

or Hispanic, you're more likely to be viewed upon as a criminal than not. That is the prevalent attitude. That's not necessarily true, but it is the prevalent attitude. No, that's true. That is a prevalent attitude, exactly. And that's my point, that, you know, at the end of the day, you have that sort of in the back of your mind, and then you've got people that really want justice and they're demanding for justice.

So at the end of the day, though, what's really sad here, looking at it from a thousand your view is that you have a tragedy in two lives. You have the individual that actually died and whose family will never be able to gain his presence back. And then, of course, now you have a police officer that may or may not have made a mistake or may or may not have intended to kill this guy that she's going to end up, you know, the rest of her life in all likelihood behind prison. And, you know, let's not forget, you know, and I'm sure you didn't do it on purpose,

but, you know, you talked about the victim's family, but, I mean, Ambergaier's got family, too. And, I mean, that family is rocked just as bad. Absolutely, absolutely. I mean, you've got a daughter, a sister, you know, a niece. She's many things to many people in her family. And, you know, you could tell from the images that were shown in the courtroom, and they were just destroyed.

I mean, when you hear that verdict come out and you think about the political implications of it and how that jury may or may not, react. I mean, this is the end of a chapter for many people today. And it's really, really sad for our community. Very, very sad. So let's go down that road a little bit. As we progress on now, what do you see happening as far as, you know, we're going to go back into court and we're going to say, hey, we're going to try to retry this. We're going to try to say something went wrong. What happens now?

Well, you know, I'm sure she's got an appeal, you know, component, right? So surely, you know, if she has good lawyers, they would have been taking notes, like in the case of the OJ Simpson trial, where they were ready to file an appeal. I'm sure they're going to be filing one and they may have basis for one. The other side of the coin is that I think we're going to take a lot of these lessons and use it in our law enforcement trainings, right, to train police officers and perhaps, you know, to each other. sure that that these kinds of mistakes or these kinds of situations don't arise and when they do that they're absolutely certain, you know, when they're going to engage in force as best as we can. Yeah. You know, that, that, and bringing that up, that, I was really surprised in her testimony that she said, and obviously everything that you get taught or I get taught doesn't stick.

A lot of things I got taught didn't stick. Trust me. But, you know, when she testified in court about the de-escalation training and not remembering it and it wasn't, you know, it wasn't strong in her mind. I mean, that seems like something that would be prevalent in a police officer that is on the streets every day. No question. And I think that also the other side of that, too, is that remember that when law enforcement actually engage in those de-escalation trainings, they're likely in a classroom or in a controlled environment. Yeah. You know, as much as we can hype them up to make them feel that the imminent threat is in front of them,

in reality, it's not. And they know that. And it's very different when you're actually in front of someone in the middle of the night and that person, you think that person's pulling out of gun when, in fact, it may be a cell phone or it may be something else. So, you know, they get tunnel vision. They get which one of the experts testify to. You know, there are a lot of issues that come up that we just can't replicate reality.

So the training can only be as good as we can make a D. But at the end of the day, we never know how police officers are going to react when those two seconds or one second of terror comes about. And, you know, it also bows to well what that police officer does on the job. You know, I mean, I don't know. Like I said, I didn't hear all the entirety of the trial. But, you know, it would seem to me that it makes a difference if the police officer is working a desk or if the police officer is on the street.

Because when the police officer who works on the street goes into a particular situation, that situation normally is already escalated. Right? So, I mean, you're already way beyond, I mean, there obviously are some de-escalation techniques that can be used. But that situation is not just a couple saying, well, we think something's wrong. Something already is wrong. Right, right. Absolutely.

And I think that at the end of the day, when you look at the law enforcement, you know, component and what people do or don't do, you know, again, we can teach them, we can show them, we can teach them the theory, we can teach them to practice, we can even use simulators like the FBI and other law enforcement agencies do. But, you know, when you're in front of that person, and that's why we call the profession 100 hours of bored them, one second affair. Right. It's because you're going to have that one second of terror that's going to come about

and all of your training better be there and you better remember all of it. Wow, just amazing. Dr. Alex Del Carmen, I appreciate it. I know you're busy, man. I appreciate you coming by today and, you know, giving us a little bit of insight behind the scenes of this trial. And I hope to talk to you again. Dr. Alex Del Carmen heads up the School of Criminology.

Absolutely here in Fort Worth. Thank you, sir. I appreciate it. Amazing Amber Geiger found guilty today from the jury. You know, this whole story is just not amazing. I mean, it's just tragic. the whole thing is tragic. It is amazing.

It's just she, the story itself was, you know, she went into the wrong apartment thinking it was hers and the guy was in his own apartment that she thought was hers. She then, as an off-duty police officer, which, by the way, is going to hurt her in the sentencing because in Texas, police officers are never considered off-duty, but that's just, you know, hey, that's just me. Which goes, I should have talked to Alex about that because he's probably right, that will add to the sentencing because she's never off duty, right? She's always a cop, but always on duty as a police officer.

And then shoots the guy because the guy, she sees, she says the, you know, is shadow, can't tell. She doesn't realize that she's in the wrong apartment when she shoots them. I mean, it's just, just tragic, just tragic. So it'll be fascinating to find out what the sentencing is. And if we get that before the end of chewing the fat today, I have to post this, I'll tell you on the podcast. If not, I'll tell you on Twitter at Jeff EJFR, Facebook and Instagram, Jeff Fisher

Radio. Do you have a guest of, I'm thinking. My original guess, go ahead. I'm thinking between five and ten. Okay. My original guess was going to be low because I thought maybe that the jury would say, okay, we're going to find her guilty, but then we're going to not give her any time. And by not giving her any time, I mean, they have to give her some.

So, I mean, they'd give her a low amount. However, after talking to my man Alex, Dr. Alex Del Carmen, he's right that it was surprising that she was found guilty of murder, not manslaughter. So it appears that the jury thinks that she went far beyond what should have happened, right? Not just an accident, but far beyond that. So you're looking at what? 25 to 40? Yeah, 25 to 40, my guess.

Yep, that's what I'm going with. Okay, well, we've got some big stories in Texas. I mean, we have the Amber Geiger story, which you just heard about and the guilty plea. And it probably, we won't get the, we won't get the sentencing by the end of this podcast, so just follow me on Twitter and Facebook and Instagram

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It's been a year, one year of chewing the fat. Amazing. Today is the anniversary. So, I mean, those of you, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. No, no, no, no, no, no. You don't have to. No, stop. We're too kind. You're too kind.

There's no deed. Thank you. There's two kind. Thank you. Thank you. So anyway, thanks for, you know, Thanks for coming along for the ride. It's been a year of chewing the fat. It's been fun. I appreciate it.

So we've got some more Texas news for you. All right. So you had Amber Geiger. We'll get that sense. And we have a more alleged in The Who. We're playing at a concert in Houston, you know, the band The Who, playing a concert in Houston. And they came out, belted out a couple of songs, and then Roger Daltry. Oh, oh.

Every time we come to Texas, it's ragweed. season. I can't I can't. Oh, I got to leave the stage. I can't sing. And so then they sang Eminence Front. Townsend's saying that's one of his songs, not adulteries, Eminence Front.

And the camera that walked off stage to check on Roger. Came back out. Yeah, I just checked on Roger. You can't sing. So we're going to cancel the show. Good night. Good night, everybody. Take care. Thanks for coming.

Appreciate it. I know, look. Good luck getting your money back, but if you tell people you were here and get your money back, go ahead. No, no, we don't want people, no. I'm not going to shoot you. No. No, no, we don't let all guns into the place anyway,

so we're good. Don't worry about it. It's just amazing. We have news, more news out of DFW. The Frisco, Texas is in the Metroplex, the greater Metroplex area. Health officials are now giving a warning to parents because of exposure to typhoid fever.

It was just a case from a restaurant in McKinney. No, another city that's in the Metroplex. Don't worry about it. You know, the Collin County Health Services confirmed the case of typhoid fever from a food service worker. Don't worry about it. The Hat Creek Burger Company.

So if you were dining at the Hat Creek Burger Company, it's possible. It's possible that you've, you know, you can be coming down with the old typhoid fever. That's usually, typhoid fever doesn't usually happen in, you know, places where we actually have sinks

and wash our hands usually doesn't happen because it's usually it's transmitted through your poop. So just wash your hands. So I'm asking, just wash your hands. Just wash your hands. So if you've come down with, I don't know,

high fever, Uh-oh. Stomach. Ooh. Diarrhea. Loss of appetite. Oh, maybe a rash. Oh, where?

And that happens within the next week or two. You may have typhoid fever. Come on down. Janie from Friscoe, you've got typhoid fever. Come on down. Yes, you two-aided Hat Creek Burger Company in McKinney. Come on down. Yes, how does it feel they have typhoid fever?

I can't talk right now I've got diarrhea and I've got high fever and stomach cramps okay? Thank you go ahead get out of here out of here with your typhoid fever

so I mean amazing right just amazing one of my favorite stories out of the Metroplex except for the Houston story is all Metroplex man we are happening

I was going to say because a lot of thing happens in the last 24 hours I have three stories from the DFW and I want to see if those are the same ones

Well, I've given you a couple, and now I've got one of my favorite stories. So, so far you have not hit my stories that I have. Big surprise, I'm doing the correct stories. Anyway, so this story, 72-year-old man in Dallas. This is why I like Texas. Okay. This is what Texas is about. It's about 5 a.m. in the morning.

It's sound asleep. Here's some noise outside the house. Rustling. Yeah, hey, what the heck is going on out there? grabs the gun. Guess what? People in Texas are armed. Walks.

Walks down. Is that someone trying to get into my storage shed? There's somebody running away. He's running right toward the park. Another shot from the park. All right. They're gone. I got to go back to bed.

Close the door up. Goes back to bed. Wakes up about seven. Uh-oh. Oh, I think I got a cup of coffee. Oh, you know. That's right. Somebody tried to break in a couple hours ago. What happened?

I had to go check. I look out toward the park. It looked like he dropped a bag out there. Nope. That's the body. Oh, well, I'll call 911. I'll call the police. Yeah, hey, listen, there's a body in the park.

It's probably the guy I shot a couple hours ago. Wait, wait, wait, hold on. Slow down. So he heard some... Power cock in the morning. Fires. He grabs a gun. Fires once.

Fires once. But this is... Well, he doesn't know if he missed, right? He just knows that there's a shadow walking. The shadow running away. Towards the park. Fires again. Goes back to bed.

All right. That's good. He's gone. I'm going back to bed. Seven o'clock. Coffee. Gets up. Coffee.

Remember. Steady. He's up to the morning smoking coffee on the back porch. Oh, did he drop a bag out in the park? I'm going to go see what's in the bag. Oh, that's him. No, that's him. Oh, darn.

I better call police. Oh, no. Is that all we know? That's all we know. That's all we know. Wow. Where's this at? This is in Dallas.

Wow. So go ahead. Try to break in around here. Go ahead. Wow. Right? Man, I am tired. I'm so tired.

Did you just shoot? I don't know, but I didn't go back to bed. He's 72. Yeah. What is he supposed to wake up and then keep to go to the day? He's retired? No. Is that the house?

He's retired. He's at the house. Somebody's trying to break in. You shoot him. You go back to bed. Well, you can't get no more Texan than that. Thank you. Thank you.

I have two stories. One of them, did you see the 13 horses that were loose on the highway in Dallas? Go ahead. So 13 horses, ponies become loose in the highway and two die.

Oh, no. They get hit or they just fall in a ditch? They were hit by cars and boom. Oh. So 13. First of all, not that I don't feel sorry for the horses, but they do some damage to cars.

They do. It's like a deer. You don't want to. You don't want to hit a deer or horse or like a giraffe. Plus, if you think that you're going to get the meat after you hit a deer, you can get it. But it's all smashed up and bruised and everything. It's no good.

It's no good. Plus you might get the tuberculosis in today's world. I will pull up the videos because the cameras captured the crew as they were tried to wrangle the horses of I-35 southbound. People don't slow down with that. We're in a hurry. Get those horses. Hawk, hog, hog, hop, poop.

Dallas County says two points were gathering the party. I'm a Franklin lot of Hampton in suites near I-35 in camp. This is fascinating. The animals just got out. Well, that's what happens. I mean, animals get away. They get away. I grew up in farm country and dairy country.

I mean, every so often the cows would get out and you have to, here's a, you know, a herd of dairy cows block on the road. You're not going anywhere. Amazingly, you can't say, here, 150 cows, move out of the way. Hurry up. I've got to get somewhere. And then, um, they move at their own pace. We like the library in this program. We love the library.

I love this story. I love this story. If you have overdue books out of Fort Worth Public Library, you no longer have to pay those fines. Pull the plugs. Anything. Anything. You owe any money.

Gone. It's like 450 grand. Yes. They forgave $461,000. That's like $450,000. Yeah, $461. That's what I said. Yeah, $460,000.

$1,000 in fines that we just drop, boop. Yeah, they're trying to make it so that this is their excuse. Look, all these people that have their cards blocked at the library are coming to the library because they owe $18,000. Because they owe money. I got news for you. That's not why they're not coming to the library. No, no, it's called the Google.

If I owe the library money, which I might, by the way. Not in New York. Well, not in Fort Worth. Not in Florida. I'm still out of outstanding warrants in Florida. Oh, no. What about Philly? The Florida,

just let's concern ourselves with one state at a time, okay? Oh, okay. Don't bring up Michigan. Don't do not bring up Michigan, man. Seriously. Michigan is more than a library, bro. Oh, really? When they start, and I'll tell you why I'm getting nervous about Michigan.

All right, so, because just so. Wow, you're really nervous about this. Listen, I'll tell you, because I've looked into this, all right? Most of my, most of my indiscretions. Okay. Okay. Were before computers. Oh, okay, so the carbon copies and the...

So, eh. I figured that was good. I figured that was good. I can see that. But a couple governors ago... Oh, no. They started saying, we need to start going through all the old records and digitize everything.

Ooh. When they start doing that, uh-huh. Cold case files. Oof. So those of you listening in Michigan, inks, angs, I never lived there, okay?

Sorry, it's all a lie. But there was an estimate of 18. thousand car holders with at least $5 in over the fines. So no one was, you know, remember like that one book that they owed like $30,000 in like New Hampshire or something like that. It wasn't like that. But the thing is is that, you know, they're saying, well, now we've relieved all these charges.

Yeah. And these people could come to the library now. And this is, like, remember we talked about the warrants of New Orleans? Yeah. Well, this is the same thing that libraries are along like, Denver, New Orleans and San Francisco. Really enough. this are the same cities that you talked when it when it become about the warrants and those bench warrants.

So I wonder what's concerning is how do they get the money for the cities? Oh, you just write it off. No, but I'm just saying the cities still have to have the money. No, no, no, no, write it off. There has to be some sort of money for the city. I don't know, but I don't even know about money, but once you write off, you no longer.

But the city still has to provide service. But you should, they wrote it off. It's like when you write out something for the tax, you just write that off and don't worry about it. But the services have to be provided, so there's still need the money. Why are you bugging me down with fax, Jeffrey? I'm sorry.

Why are you bugging me off of that? I'm sorry. I just want to go to the library. You know, don't pay my $5 that I owed. That's what I wanted to do. I apologize. Go ahead. Go back to the library and, you know,

see if you can look up porn. Go ahead. But yeah, there's a cash. Jeffrey. You mean there's a catch. There's a catch. There's a catch. There's no catch.

You just got done hollering at me saying there's no catch. You write them off. The money's clear. The cities don't have to pay anything. No, you remember when I said, don't bog me down with facts? I read into this story a little bit more and it says, for those fees to be forgiven, when folks come in to the library. So they're not just writing it off.

They're not just writing it off. You have to come in. I mean, they're saying that they're saying that they're going to forgive it. So they are just, I mean, obviously they're just writing it up, but they're putting it on a separate page, separate billing page. It's another book. It's the other books. Yes.

It's the book that no one wants to see. And so you've got to go in. You have to go in and check out some material. Right. And then once you're putting your card, your card will be unblocked and then your fines will be forgiven. Oh, it looks like, look at that. You owed us $150.

You're going to write it off, right? You're going to write it off? You're going to write it off, right? That law went into effect next month. You're arrested. Yeah. No way. That's what I'm thinking here.

We've had that ruse before. That's what I'm thinking here. They do that. Yes, they say, hey, you win a prize. You want a prize. Come down here to the- What a brand new TV. Come pick it up.

And next thing you know you, hey, I'm here to, uh, uh, I'm, uh, uh, hello. Yes. I just got a text message. I want a brand new TV. That's right. Yes. Listen, come,

let's get your name. Come on in. Chris. Yeah, yeah, come on in. Yeah, I'm right here. I'll work to watch the door for you. Yeah.

Thanks for coming, Chris. You're under arrest. Wait. What? Yeah, no, there was no TV. Absolutely. You have a warrant after your arrest. Dude, that's scary right there.

That is scary. I'm not coming in. I don't have a, I don't think I have a library card here, but I'm not coming in. No. I'm sending a decoy. I'm sending,

how about, here's an idea. This is just a thought from me. Something else top of my head. Oh, right there? Oh, that's genius. Yeah. From right there. How about you pay the bill?

No, but this is a forgiven. There are $4161,000. But if you're worried. That is true. That the fix is in. That you're going to go down and say, yeah, said, I was forgiven. I want to check this book out.

Here's my card. Yeah. Mr. Jeffie, okay. You owe us $110. Boop, boop. Wait. Hands behind you back, please. Hand behind you back.

Yeah, that doesn't. That doesn't start a. until next year. Sorry, sir, you're under arrest. I'm telling you. That's a good catch. And if the police out of DFW have not thought about that, you're welcome. Yeah.

And that's what I'm saying. Just pay your bill. Yeah. It's been a very tricky couple of days here in the DFW area. Yes, it has. Just pay the bill. Got me. But if you're going to the Fort Worth Library, that's downtown Fort Worth, probably.

Yeah, probably. I've never been to the big Fort Worth Library. I know there's multiple ones. I'm sure they have a huge, all major cities. Yes. Huge libraries, yeah. Except for New York. So, but I mean, all in downtown Fort Worth, that's where they have the bicycle police

officers. Pring-ring. Yeah, you probably get away from. Yeah, you'd probably get away from them. Just if you go to pay in the summer. Oh, yeah. Because it's hot. They're in the building under AC.

They're not chasing. If you're in Houston, you got the cops and horses. They're not chasing. Yeah, ooh, they just hit the horse. Then you see. Okay, so Justin. I mean, Justin, I mean, Justin, and Haley are married now, right?

I mean, officially, they're 100% married because people were all wound up at them for taking over this hotel in South Carolina for a few days, and they were going to be getting married there. They had all their friends there at the Montage Palmetto Bluff Hotel. Yeah, they got married on September 13, 2018. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and they just got remarried again. Because they took over, and people were all pissed because they, the hotel sent out a little. little email to all the other guests.

You're banned from using the spa or the pool or any of the hotel restaurants for 48 hours. Sorry. I'm sorry? Sunday noon to Tuesday noon. The entire Beaver-Baldwin wedding extravaganza is going on. I know this is an email. It all belongs to them. I know this is an email, but I'm going to yell at you.

Why? Why can I go? Because it's about our stuff. It's out of this. We took it over. It's ours. Who's this we? Justin Bieber and Haley Baldwin.

No. Yes. You go to the Bahamas. Get out. I'll be pissed if I was dating. You get a refund or an upgrade. Shut up. Oh, really?

Okay, never mind then. They could come and take it. Yeah. Do you need more time? Can I do it until Monday? Can they do it until Monday? Yeah, it's still Tuesday. Oh, until Tuesday.

Yeah, they're here until Tuesday. Oh, okay. That's fine. At Tuesday, dude, you can come on back. Can I extend my stay into Tuesday? I was going to say to Sunday. but I feel like I need to send to Tuesday. Yeah, of course.

We'll get you a refund and we'll upgrade you as well. How about a free meal? Oh, yes. Okay, no problem. Yes, okay. So sorry. Oh, no, it's okay. I understand.

You sure? Yes. I mean, I know that I know it's, I know it's inconvenience. You know what? No, it's not anymore. If you're going to refund me, give me a meal and refund everything that I've used. And I really wanted to use the pool of the spa for those two days. I wanted to get a massage.

See, right here, it hurts my neck. Now I can't. I know, really good. Well, you can't. You just can't do it here. I know. Can you give me some money? I could go next door to the Hilton.

I mean, I'm guessing the people were mad because it was just short notice. Right? I'm surprised that, because Justin probably said, oh, we love this place. Okay, it's ours. Think about it. You have that money right there. You have money to say, I'm going to take over the. I know.

So you know what? I like this as ours. This is ours. So for the next 48 hours, can you get the manager and tell them that this is ours? And by the way, while we're here, I don't want anybody else using the pool or the spa or the restaurant. I don't want to go in there and have to put up with those people. Yeah, I don't want to sign autographs or nothing. And can we make sure that between 11 and 12, nobody's at the elevator?

you know, make sure that between floor 68 and 1. This isn't for me. This is for Haley. Oh, Haley, yeah, this is all Haley. Yeah, I want my princess to be, you know, taking care of. What Haley wants, Haley gets. Yes. So.

I hate him. Praise the Lord. I hate them so much. But good for him. You know what? If you have the money to do that, I mean, the B's it, man. I'm not going to say you douche. I'm not.

Oh, no. Because. J.B. is the band. Yes. I'm surprised that you didn't catch. take me. I'm a little hurt. J.B., I thought we were buds. You didn't get an invite for the second wedding?

I thought we were, buts. It's only the one-year wedding, you know, anniversary. I thought we were, I thought we were friends. I almost said, Haley. Haley didn't invite me. That's what I'm upset about. Well, she's, she couldn't invite you. She's with Justin now.

Yeah, but still an invite. Yeah, she's with Justin now. Did you see that? You know, we should, we should have aired it on the show because the, the roast of Alec Baldwin. We talked about it off air. I watched it because it was just horrible. And I went away.

I know, I know. And I went away and I should have stayed so that I heard his daughter. Because his daughter was there. And I didn't know this at the time. I watched it. I took it for about 10 minutes. And I was like, I can't do this anymore. And that's, I just was agonizing.

But I should have stayed because the daughter got up to roast him. And the daughter is the daughter that was the little pig. The little pig on the phone? Her roast was great. It was great. We have to play that because it was really good. I'll have it for tomorrow. She knifed her dad hard.

I mean, that's what a roast is supposed to be. Yeah, absolutely. I don't know that Alex was real happy about it. I mean, maybe he was. Maybe it was all written in the script and part of the deal, but I'm hoping that he wasn't. I'm hoping it was for real because it was, she got him good.

All right, we've got some airline news for you. I don't know. Oh, Fisher Air? This is not Fisher Air. No, we don't need Fisher Air. No, we don't need Fisher Air. Okay. But we do have some airline news.

We have the FAA is going to review, now I just want to answer this question for them all for them. Oh, you're going to review anything. Okay, okay. The FAA is going to review whether airplane seats are too small for safe evacuations. Okay, Jeffie? Yes. They're too small.

Already been reviewed. Okay. This is what, this is the, their way to get bigger seats, right? Because they said the airlines, the airline seats are fine. And the airlines went, oh, yeah, great. They're good. The where they're at. We're not going to, we're not going to make them any smaller. I know we always have news that they're going to make, you know, little stool seeds. They make them smaller. But, I mean, they're pretty small as it is to add people on the players, right? So they've said, we're going to leave it a day is. But this is a way for

the FAA to say, it's not safe. So you're going to have to make them bigger. Big boy. So I would like to say, yes, that's correct. That is correct. They are way too small for the evacuations. So we should make a bigger. Remember when they started removing sections of seats? So we put them all together. Yes.

What was that all about? So we've also talked about how it's not possible to open an emergency exit. And we had stories. Okay. We've had people trying when the plane is in the air and they can't open it. And, you know, you're thinking they're trying to open the exit. Well, according to reports, whether it's in the air and it's pressurized, and it's locked, you can't open it.

Right, it's for those open on purpose for crashes and on the ground. But we had a lady, they were stuck on the ground and it was dark and they've been sitting there on the tarmac for quite some time and she was like,

man, it is way too stuffy in here. I need some fresh air and smoke a cigarette, so I'm going to pop open this emergency exit door. Did this flag come out? She popped it open. Don't mind me. It's always too stuffy in here, wasn't it? Are they ever going to take off?

They can't falter on that one. I know. They can't falter that way. What are they going to do? If I'm on the plane, I'm like, no, no, no, go ahead. Can I have one? We already said. Can I let me as well?

Yeah. That's awesome. Does she get in trouble? Oh, yeah. Oh, no. Don't bug me down with facts. What's the thing? Yeah, no, no.

That was, way to go. Way to go. Good job. We have to wait another couple. hours before we take off. Oh, sorry. So we had a story about a lady at DFW, the Dallas International, Dallas Fort Worth International Airport, which is, by the way, sits on about 18 counties.

It's huge. I know for a fact that it's bigger than the island of Manhattan. Dallas Fort Worth International. It's huge. So a Tampa lady has been planning this. Do you know her? Just because they're from Tampa, doesn't mean. I know her. Also, you don't know her. Well, I didn't say that either. Look at a picture.

Do you know her? Yeah. You seen her around? I feel like I've seen her. You seen her before? Okay. So she's been telling her family, hey, I'm, man, I'm excited. I want to go to Mexico.

I need a vacation. I'm going to go to Mexico. So she hops out of plane from Tampa. It's a Mexico vacation. And, of course, the stopover is at DFW. And then we're going to jump down into Mexico for a vacation. She lands at DFW and she calls home and says, sis, I'm at Dallas, Fort Worth and

I just want to come back to Tampa. I just want to come back to Tampa. Now the sister, it doesn't say this in the story, but the sister said, shut up, get on the plane and go to Mexico. Sick of hearing about your stupid Mexico trip. No, you're not coming home. But sis, this is where it comes back

to the real life story. Sis, just can you send me, can you buy me a ticket back to Tampa? And the sis says, okay, sure. And then the ticket doesn't get used because now. they can't find her. She's been missing for days.

Let's be clear. Remember, the international airport is like 18 acres. She could be wandering around anywhere. She might have went outside for a smoke. She wandering around. Doesn't know where she's at. Makes a left-hand turn. She's walking down 114.

She doesn't know where she's at. But she's missing. And plus, they're concerned for her safety. On top of not only are they concerned for her safety because they don't know where she is. she's transgender. So something bad could have happened to her because she's transgender.

I mean, something bad could have happened to her whether she was a dog or a cat. I mean, she's been missing for days and she just disappears. Plus, this is really pissed. She bought the ticket and now she can't get the money back because nobody used it. Holy cow.

That's the problem. Download and subscribe to more content at the blaze.com slash podcasts. Okay, so now I can't even take Zantek. what now I haven't taken Xantec actual brand name in quite some time but I take the you know the generic brand

the Rinnitin tin whatever it is whatever I think that's the actual name of it the generic brand is Rinnatin tin but now you know I heard the story I saw the headline a while ago and I thought nah it's only something but apparently there's human carcinogen in the pills and so out of an abundance of caution

all the all the pharmacies are pulling it off the shelf now I don't think they're pulling Rintin Tintin off just the Zandek but I don't know Rintin Tintin might come off too so if you take

I don't know now I just have to down gallons of pepto-bizmal and hope that that works because that only works if it's an active volcano in your throat. All right? What the, what the Rintin Tintin does is keep that volcano down.

Yeah, keeps it cool. It keeps it down. Do you like the flavor one? I like the cool, man, flavor Rintin Tintin. That doesn't matter. Just get the, because it makes you feel like it's actually. Get the bottle from like Sam's Club for, you know, coming. Oh, never remember that.

Like 80K. I go to CBS. Yeah. Oh, and I'm not paying full price for Rintin Tintin. Maybe I need to give you some money to you can buy me some. Yeah, go ahead. You do that. In fact, I'll take the money right now.

That's what I'm saying, yeah. How much? I get it for you. How much? I think the generic bottles cost 35 total. Oh, yeah. But it's good for. Forever.

Yeah, forever. Okay, I'll give you $35. You take check? No. Cash only? Yes. Okay. Yeah, new checks.

Okay. One of the things, I guess a million dollar idea for us. Another one? It's a million dollar idea for us. I've been working on this. It's kind of in my head throughout the show. So I'm not sure. We've got to start our own security company.

You always like to tell people, I was a cop, I was a cop. I know how to do security. I don't like the idea. I mean, I know you were a little, and you weren't really a cop. I was a cop. How you weren't?

According to the... Now you were like a military... That was a cop. You were guarding the gate. According to the State Department, you guarded the gate that the military. It doesn't count as a cop. I was a cop.

Excuse me, I need to see ID to get in. That doesn't count as a cop to me. Now, maybe the military it does. To me, it doesn't. That's all I'm saying. How many gates do you card it? A lot. A lot of gates.

That's the first thing you do when you become a cop in the military. You have the gate and then you become patrolmen. And then if you really like it. Then you step up to the. second gate. He's such a jerk. I wish you get hate mail for this. Which, by the way, we never got our mail back from that guy when we talked about the Air Force

band, remember? Oh, yeah, he never called back to know. He never come back. Yeah, he should have. Yeah, he should have. Because we were ready. The floor was open to you. It was, yeah.

The floor was open. Maybe you could call the CTF hotline. That's not that intimidating. Oh, it is? I found the CTF hotline. It was in the car. Oh my gosh. Where did I hear that before?

I don't know. Me? Yeah, I got to give you the video of me finding it was under the seat of the passenger. It took me a while to find it. I didn't take it a while. That's where I told you it was, douche. It's a big car. I had to move a couple of seats.

Did you? Yeah, I had to move it back and forth. Did you? I can look in the bag and look in the front. And there it is. I don't know. Maybe you ought to just, I don't know, when you're done with something. thing, I don't know, when you're done with your drive-through containers, throw them out instead of just tossing them.

It had 30 voicemails and 333 text messages. Y'all need to calm the hell down. We'll get to them. Don't worry about it. Oh, yeah, we won't get to them. So anyway, I want to start. We need it in the security company because there's pirates. What?

That are now robbing the drilling platforms out of the Gulf of Mexico. Come on, man. Hello? We know someone in the oil business, Jackie Daly. you can hook us up with the contacts. Thank you. And then you got Fisher and Cruise Security LLC. Or just Fisher, you know.

Fisher security. Well, Fisher, Fish or Fish. Well, I will be partners, but your name just won't be out of them. Oh, that's fine. That's fine, because fish sounds like fish. We're in the water. We're already there. I mean, they're still got pirates, still have oil platforms.

I mean, they're stealing oil, taking it from them. Like, what are they doing? Is this like another movie with Tom Hanks? Yes. Just like that? Huh. That's pretty cool. I know.

I mean, actually, I kind of won't be a pirate. I don't want to be the security guys. Vicious attacks launched by modern-day pirates. I mean, pirates don't mess around. If you're a pirate, you know, you can't mess around. You've got to be hardcore. Do you know any pirates or previous pirates? Not that I'm going to admit here.

I'll tell you that. No. No, I do not. Which aren't parts Like in Like beat up Boats? Like

Those are the ones you see in the parades Oh okay Those aren't real life Oh those are not real part That's a Gasparilla parade Oh Which by the way is a tremendous parade I miss I miss broadcasting the Gasparilla parade

I miss being a part of the parade I love it That's some of the great times of my life Broadcasting the Gasparilla parade We two of the facts should actually do that again we should make that happen. Chewing the fat, we need to broadcast the Gasparilla Parade live.

That is a good idea. What networks are going to pick that up? We could syndicate that around the globe, my friend. Around the globe. Is it that important? Yes. Yes. Video and audio of the Gasparilla Parade

brought to you by Chewing the Fat. Sponsored by Oh, and that's insert ad agency. Sponsored by. Insert ad agency here. Brought to you by. Insert ad agency here. Oh, here comes the marching band segment.

Brought to you by. Insert ad agency here. I'm so happy that. Insert ad agency here. Came on board to bring you this segment today. I mean, we've got to. We're ready. We're ready.

We're ready. Actually, I'm going to cut this and send it to you. Thank you. Thank you. Or to the insert ad agent here. So here's something that I noticed that you might need to be. you made aware of. I know we're in the dessert section of the podcast.

Actually, you know what? The dessert section of the podcast should be the first part. The first part, we broadcast it on Blaze Radio. Everybody's able to hear that. Freeloaders are able to hear that. This is for the subscribers. This is not the meat. It is.

We got to change that around. Okay. So broadcast the dessert? Desert first. Desert first. Well, I'll tell you this right now. A lot of people will agree with you that dessert first is a great idea. Dessert first.

But usually here's a problem. With dessert being first, so I got to take the court out of my ear, we run like longer on the dessert than what we do the show for the network. Right. So then. We're professionals. We edit it down. We do. I mean, I do try to edit as much as I can.

I don't think you do, but go ahead. Like yesterday or a couple days ago it goes an hour, and then after that, another hour, and then after that hour, five minutes. I don't cut me off, you know, it's caught me down. Jeff Fisher, I caught you in that ear. To the point I'm like, to the point I'm like, you know what, I'm going to just stop because he'll get upset at me because I gave him a 10, and a minute later, he stops.

I give him a wrap up because every one of them, you know, it's a floating clock when it comes to our year's show year. It's a floating cock. You take ads out. It's amazing because I can do what I want. Yes. Absolutely. With that one hour of this, you could do whatever you want.

But I don't think we could do the dessert first. Okay. That, my friend, is where you're wrong. If I say it's so, it's so. Okay. Okay. So this is something that I've been, I was going to do this story earlier, but then I thought, why do it in the dessert when I could do it in the meat section of the show?

I noticed that you're too good for shoes today. I'm too good for shoes for the next two weeks because I can't bend down and put shoes on. And I can't find my... Shut the hell up. I can't bend down. I can't put shoes on. There's slip-ons.

I don't have slip-ons. You know, you get yourself an old man, a little shoehorn. Okay. It has the handle. Flip on the shoes. Yeah, see, I'm trying to find my slippers. Plus you have a wife. She's not here.

me put my shoes on. She's not here. Girlfriend, help me put my shoes on. That is true. I usually bring her in this house or something else. Maybe I need to bring her to the house. So sneakers. Yeah, before she leaves.

Put the shoes. Yeah, before she leaves. Sneakers are set to outsell fashion footwear in the U.S. for the first time. Nice. I like sneakers. Yeah. I'm a sneaker fan. Obviously, everyone has turned into a sneaker fan.

Is there any specific company that's on a sneaker fan? Is there any specific company that's a sneaker fan? on the lead or is just sneakers in general? Sneakers, sport leisure. Sports leisure, okay, okay. Are gonna outdo fashion footwear. That's a good, it's comfortable. Like the duck shoes, that's when you go out,

you know, to a gala. You know, the boots, here in Texas, you wear them. In today's world is like, oh, yeah. Look at, look at the big guys, the big CEOs. They wore in their suits and look at, look at their shoes. They wore in, you know, $800 sneakers. I know. And pastors across his nation.

they give me fun of because of their sneakers. I know. So. See, I would much rather, much rather, if you're going to spend, if you're going to spend 700 bucks on a pair of shoes. Sneakers, she said, why? Gucci's.

Guccis. Gucci slipons, man. Gucci slipons. They are so comfortable. You get them, you know, you get them on sale for five, six hundred bucks. Yeah, you're talking to the audience. You know, not everybody's blessed by the.

by the amount of money you received by doing churned fat. I wish that were true, my friend. The amount of money I receive is a lot less than you think, my friend. Can we do more like pay less? Payless is closed. Oh, okay. Can we do more like sketchers? Sure.

I love skeeters. Or I don't know, maybe a Walmart brand. Oh. No. That's where you draw the line? Hold on. So Walmart is good enough for Everything else, S for sneakers.

Everything else, medicine, toilet paper, toothpaste, water, milk, and something you put in your body, in your body. But when I'm about two, you know, what about socks? Can you buy more socks? Sport socks. Okay, and then like underwear, is that good? Okay. But when I say sneakers, that's where you draw the line,

something that goes on the outside of your body over socks you bought from that same company. Actually, I did buy them from the same company. Fruit of the Loom doesn't make the shoes. That is true. They do not. Walmart sells them. But Fruit of the Loom does not make the shoes. That is true.

If there was a Fruit of the Loom shoe at Walmart, you're in. Yeah. Okay. But if it's Walmart brand like choice. Bill's shoes. What is it? Choice? What's the...

I think it's choice. I don't know. I don't go with the shoe section, man. I do. They got you 10 bucks. Payless is close. So, next up is one more. I'm not too good...

I'm not there yet to buy shoes from Target. Target sells some expensive shoes. No, they don't. Yes, they do. Target has some okay shoes in their shoes. Starting at $70. Okay. 20 bucks.

That's where I'm at. I'm a $20 range sneakers. That lasts me up out of a year and that's it. Another story coming from San Francisco is sad, really, is what you are. No, efficient. No, no, it's better for your body. Oh, you, Jeff Fisher. Jeff Fisher is going to give me some tips of what's better for my body.

Yes, I am. Okay, you know what? Yes, I am. You're like 200 and you're surviving a heart attack. So you know what? Thank you. I'll give you that credit. All right.

What is it? You should wear good shoes. Okay. It's important. Okay. It's important. It's important. It's important for you.

Posture? It's important for posture. It's important for your feet. Important for the look. You know, so other people see you and realize that, I think those are Walmart shoes. Go the other way. The sandals are worn right now.

Walmart sandals. and I love. I know they are, my friend. Oh, you can tell? Oh, yes. Oh, you can tell? Oh, this is sad. I'm sad.

Now, I'm a shoe aficionado. I was just going to say, if there's anybody I'm going to take shoes advice, Jeff Fisher is that person. Yes, I know where you got your flip-flops from. I'm sorry, the shoes that you're wearing. No, it's for the flops. They're flipping and flopping the Glenbeck radio show today. Oh, Jesus.

Yeah. Don't worry about it. though. Nobody noticed, except for me and everyone. One last story. San Francisco. The poop nation of the country. The poop nation. The poop nation town.

The other Bay Area. The West Coast Bay Area. A neighborhood wanted to keep the vagrants out. And you know, you can't blame them. So they put great big boulders on the end of their streets to keep the vagrants out. And now the city is coming, taking the boulders. Come on. I don't want to sound stupid.

What are those things that you're trying to, vulgars? What are those? Boulders. No, no, I know what boulders are, but why are they trying to keep out? Vagrants. Yeah, what are those? Homeless people. Oh.

Street poopers, drug users. Street rats? Yes. Amazing, man. So they put them boulders. The neighbors along the Delora Street have, could, take it anymore. So they raised a couple thousand dollars and installed 24 boulders. Wow. Around the neighborhood just to keep them out. So the building walls.

Amazing, right? So hold on, hold on, Jeff Fisher. Hold on. Hold on. Jeff Fisher. I got to digest this a little bit more. So you're saying this community got together and said, hey, we have a homeless population that is trying to lower our, you know, our cost of living around here. Our property Valley is going down. How about if we raise money... We want to be able to walk the street. Yes. Without stepping a poop or a needle. Drug needles. Yeah. Without smelling urine. I have an idea. I think I have an idea here.

How about we bring boulders and we make him like a wall? Why don't we say wall? We'll put them next to each other to block the path for those migrants not to come in here. Huh. Wouldn't that be No, don't bug me done with facts Because I don't want to put a wall But I want to put boulders That's a good idea Next to each other

And while the method was chastised By all the homeless advocates The method was Effective No Well you tell me it works Walls work The boulders work

I'm sorry boulders work Not walls they did not put up walls They put up boulders Correct So I might think here the nation, the poop nation has a

a good case. Poop Nation is pissed. Poop Nation, yes it is because they just proved that Donald Trump is right. The Blue Nation is not happy, man. That's fascinating. Those idiots prove

something that we all knew. Without even... Without realizing that they're proving it. They were like, oh, those food boulders. I'm like, oh, Nikki, that is a great idea, sweetie. Let's go ahead and poop boulders. Thank you.

Honey, we just put a warm. up. No, no, no, no, no, no, honey. No, no, no, no, honey, look at it. It's a wall. We literally walling ourselves inside. No, they're the boulders, baby. Okay. All right. All right. I feel like the city's going to come and say that we did put up a wall and they're going to take the boulders away. Huh. If you do? I think so too. Yeah, Nikki. Yeah. Boop, boop. Oh, see, there it is. Here's a city of the poop nation. Oh, yeah. The poop nation trucks are here. Have a nice day. Yeah.