Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - Ep 323 | COVID-19 aka. Coronavirus Officially Becomes a Pandemic | Guest: Justin Paperny

Episode Date: March 12, 2020

Jeffy only wants to talk about the two most important stories in the news cycle. COVID-19 is OFFICIALLY a pandemic and Harvey Weinstein gets 23 yrs in prison after being found guilty of third degree rape. Justin Paperny, founder of White Collar Advice joins the show to talk about prison consulting and how someone like Harvey should look for while in prison. Jeffy and Kris Cruz talk about the evacuation plans if they decide to leave the DFW area. Don't PANIC too much, but do have a plan if things get worse. Subscribe on YouTube Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Pick the one that you like. Just hashtag not SoundCloud. I've already told you, they don't play nice with the other kids. We don't want to play with them back. So pick somebody else to play with, okay? Thank you. Now, I will say for those of you that concerned about China and the world and safety, security issues, know that at least the Chinese company that owned the gay dating app Grindr has agreed to sell it.

Grindr is now sold for 609. Say it with me. All right, I want you to say it with me now. It's not $609, although that would be nice. But it only sold, it didn't even sell for a billion dollars. It only sold for $609. million dollars so good luck to san vincente acquisitions LLC the new owner of grinder so for those of you listening and watching live on the 11th of March 2020 all I want to do

is talk about two things today I want to talk about coronavirus I don't want to talk about Harvey Weinstein that's it I don't care about anything else in the world I just want to talk about Harvey. I will get to them. But before we do that, well, well, well. Look who's back, or listen to who's

back. That wasn't long enough a little incubation period. It's only a couple of days. Yes, it was. I'm not sick anymore. You okay? Yes.

I'm going to Let me just cuffing up a long haul. Oh, man. It's almost not funny. It's almost not funny. I try to call in, but you made me come in. You literally made me come in. Now, you're fine.

Yesterday I had people blocking the entrance from me coming into the studios. Who? Not me. Oh, well, that has to stop. That cannot stand. Two people block me from coming in. So I drove to work yesterday. And I drove back home.

And I don't know if you know this, but there are different entrances to come into this building. Look at the time. They said go home. I'm like, okay. And then you could have just walked around to one or the other. There's like three or four other entrances. I don't know if you have access to a couple of them, but. I'm not coming through the main doors and that's it.

Okay. You might not have access to the other ones. Okay. Yeah. Talent has those. But we got to get you access to those. But I'm here, maybe. I can be gone tomorrow.

I was more concerned that prior to your, prior to your missing work for a couple of days, pretending to have COVID-19. It's a good excuse, though. It sure is. What business is going to say no to you? Not one. Are you really going to take the chance of saying,

stop your lying come to work. I am, but most places are not. I say, come on in. Just come in. Odds are. That you have it. Looking at the numbers.

Oh, sorry. You're going to get it. Oh, that you do have it. Okay, I thought you were going to go somewhere else with that. It's going to happen. Like, I had everything except for the fever, which is why I know I don't have it yet. But Monday morning,

no Sunday night when I got the email from Ted Cruz Press person because she's a friend and then Monday Gilney's like self-quarantine I'm like I'm out so I don't blame you I mean serious business I called you serious business I don't blame you I called you and I said um they have it

and they infected the entire studios Patient Zero is still I you know with that although I think we go back to farther that. I think we go back. Patient Zero was Hillary. She was the one that was sick. She was sick for weeks. Yeah, but I don't think she had a fever, though. I don't know about that.

Did you check her forehead? Did you kiss her forehead to see she had a fever? Because I did. So many jokes I want to go with that and I'm just going to let them go. I was going to let him go. I really want to go down that road now. Never mind Harvey. Never mind the coronavirus. I just want to do a Hillary. I just want to do Hillary jokes and the whole thing.

I could do that for another hour. Easy. Easy. But I'm not going to because I actually love her. Oh. She's such a great person. You know why she doesn't get sick? Coelodal Silver.

That's what she takes. This is coast to coast A.M. I mean, it's possible. All right. Has she promoted that to you? Really? Ooh, that's a good conversation to have. She pushed it hard.

You should have her on to Zahombo? That's a good conversation to have with her. We're doing that. Make that happen. Set that up with her. That's tremendous. Have her bring in some samples because I'd look to try some. You might turn blue.

I could go to the Smurf Festival then. I'm good. I've got to wait until next year, of course, because France had theirs and they'd COVID-19 be damned. We're having our Smurf Festival. That's the way it is. And they did. Bless their hearts. Bless their hearts.

So I really was worried about you because prior to you, you being self-quarantine with the fake COVID-19. You know what? You can cough like that all you want. I don't know that I believe it. Which by the way, the wife is coughing like that. Oh no.

One of these days, actually, I'm going to record her coughing. And I want to see if it's worthy. Compare it because we had a theory that this is a female cough. Yeah, it is. After listening to my wife coughed this morning and almost hawking along and scared the dogs. She's smoking now? I don't know what she's doing with her life.

I barely see her now. I see her in the morning. You're self-quarantine. I wouldn't even. I see her in the morning. I'll be fine in here. I'll be fine, really. Just go ahead.

But, dude, she's coughing like that now. Oh, boy. Yeah. So I think she might have it. Oh, boy. So anyway, as I was getting to prior to you leaving. I thought that they took you away. Who?

I thought, I don't know. They. I thought they took you away. The man? The government? You gave me a few days ago. You said, keep this. We're going to talk about this because if something happens to me, this is the guy.

Yeah. All right. So, I mean, seriously, I was seriously concerned. Yeah, this is serious. So in your driveway, last week, you come out and there's a Louisiana State Board of Private Investigator Examiner's ID card in your driveway. In my driveway. Now, it doesn't bode well for the private. ID that he lost his ID card in your driveway.

No. So that's a good PI. He's charging too much for his so-called talent. I'll tell you that right now. Yeah, that's the first thing. That's like a criminal bringing his wallet. Yes. To what's do your house.

And we talked about it the other day. The diary. The diary. We talked to end. I think Monday I talked about the police are saying that so many criminals today are posting their stuff on Facebook and live. Oh yeah. I heard it.

And then today I have a story about a spree in Nevada that they did. Instagram live the whole crime spree. I wonder if they got arrested or not. I mean, did they? Come on now. Now they're still on the road. Okay. So it didn't work.

As far as I know, they're arrested. It didn't work? As far as I know, they got shut down. Actually, you know what? That's a good question. Hold on. Okay, so they vandalized buildings and rock formations. That's me kicking the rocks.

You can't be doing that, man, going through there. They reported finding more than 100 cans of spray paint and other painting equipment in the trunk of their car. So, yes, they've been... They've been caught? They've been caught because they've been... Well, hold on. Maybe they haven't, though.

They found the car. Let's see. According to a criminal indictment in federal court, each man took turns acting as a lookout while the other vandalized property using the tags Clueur and V-LOR. The indictment includes an Instagram message. I got slant DUI.

Charged with Privacy Center. Used the Instagram account of indictment. So, yeah, I guess they... If they have that much information, like, you should have caught them by now. Doesn't say that... Oh, this is so wrong. The indictment includes the Instagram message from having a describing the interaction with authorities, follow the encounter in the...

So I guess they did. No one supports the police officer more than this. I hope they did, man. It's ticking me off if those guys haven't. got arrested. The police are like, hey, you know what? That's so much information right there. We don't know. We found the car. They're somewhere. It's streamed. You can watch it yourself.

Right. We're not taking it down. No. Just watch it for yourself. So they got to be, yeah, they're done. They got to be honest with that much information. Yes. Yeah. So it's kind of a dumb idea. Yes. Kind of a dumb idea. And I mean, the police are using, they talked about the numbers, incredible numbers of the information they're getting from your streaming service. Well, not just that. Pat was talking about that story. Yeah, I know. With the Google warrant? Yeah, and then they're like geofencing. Yeah. Dude, that was scary. You can call it geo fence. I called it a tuna net.

Tuning. Tuneet. No, geofencing. No, it's a tuna net. Because when you go to your settings, you geofens. No, I know, but when you put the tuna net out, sometimes you get everything. You don't always get, you get tuna and other things. So they tune in at you. Don't give me that geo fencing stuff. I like that tuna netting. Anyway, it's, I mean, it's incredible the numbers that they're getting from that. Now, in the story that I did on Monday, they specifically talked about warrants. So, I mean, they were following some set of guidelines. Right. But with the tuna netting, geofencing. Geofencing.

That's not. That's not. That's not guide last. Just grab, round everybody up. Shouldn't we be doing that for the illegals? What? How dare you? No, we can't do that.

Oh, no, we can't. for a better life. Okay. Except I saw a story earlier today where it talked about, yeah, you know, we're not, we're not coming here because of the violence and stuff. We really are coming here for a better house and better living. Yes. Do it the right way.

Duh. Thank you. Just do it the right way. Go to Puerto Rico. So your Louisiana State Board of Private Investigator examiners. Yeah, back to that, yeah. In your driveway. Should I be worried?

I was. I mean, what's going on? I don't know. What's going on? Oh, do you have a baby? Are you Hunter Biden all of a sudden in Louisiana? I don't think I have a Hunter biting story. You got a stripper baby in Louisiana?

She's looking to cash out. There's any stripper looking. It's being California, not in Louisiana. Okay. Oh, really? What's that story? Oh, yeah. You said that the story isn't, oh, yeah.

Let's want to hear the story. It's a divorce. It's a possible stripper baby. A stripper said hello, and then I say hello back. One thing leads to another. And then boom, boom, boom. Next thing you know, you're Hunter Biden. I mean,

I don't disagree with that. So this licensed private investigator representing a company called MJM Investigations. And I'm guessing he doesn't work there anymore. No. Because the company, what was the company again? MJM investigations.

Yeah, because when I saw that, I thought it was MGM. And I may have owe money to the MGM Resorts. But no, this isn't it, though. But no, but that's not it though. So they have not found me just yet. Now, the other good thing about this particular license card, it's actually a license. He's got his license number, his driver's license number.

And it says, you know, has some information in the back. So he's got a Texas driver's license. He's got a Louisiana private investigators license. And he's got, oh, this has been expired too for a while. So he's working under the wire, which is why I was worried for you. He's working under the wire. So according to the card, the Louisiana State Board of Private Investigator Exhibit. examiners misrepresentation of this license is a criminal offense yeah you can't go around

pretending you're no no you can everybody can't i'm canon frank canon the night's episode faking board of exam so uh you can't be pretending that you're canon license and valid without photo and signature there is an actual photo and a signature on this card this card is property of the state board and must be returned upon expiration or cancellation well that's what I'm doing right now. I'm preparing to return it. I'm just looking at it and reading it out. Any changes to information on this card must be reported to the board. Louisiana State Board of Private Investigator Examiners. This is to certify that this is to certify that

is a certified private investigator of the Louisiana State Board of Private Investigators. Uh, yeah, man, man. I almost want to say his name, but I haven't. No, I don't think so. Uh, you know. Because he could be still trying to find me. Well, he found me. He did.

Somehow he got spooked. I hear what happened. Maybe a delivery guy showed up like the 8,000 people that show up. He could have just waited, walked in the garage. Absolutely. Absolutely. Or maybe that's one of the guys that delivered one of my boxes and dropped it. That's what it is.

That's exactly. because he's got a Texas driver's license number on this card. Yeah. That might be it. I need to go back then and look at all the videos that. Around that date. Around that date. Yeah.

That could be it. Yeah, he came out of the van and plop it fell. Yeah. Because he was sitting in the van looking at this going, man, you don't get these days back. You don't get these days back. Oh, a loser. No, I'm not my Amazon driver. I'm dropping off this freaking popcorn to this kid, freaking Texas.

Look at his reminiscing. since LESPI days. I wish I could get back to that. Another story before we go to the man on the street with the breaking news. When news happens, CTF records go. I mean, run with it, run with it. The World Health Organization, breaking news, has now said that the coronavirus is a pandemic. I was going to go to our man on the street, but I decided, you know,

what? I don't want to go to where I'm at on the street for the pandemic news because it's, they actually have, I know. He just dropped. Sorry to inform me. So the last time that the who, you know, the World Health Organization declared a pandemic was during the H1N1 outbreak in 2009, which infected nearly a quarter of the world's population. Now, remember that that decision was criticized. SARS was a not considered a pandemic despite affecting 26 countries and neither

was MERS as a pandemic so they've now classified coronavirus as a pandemic I know no and it was weird because as soon as you said that

we get a ding and we get emails about what's happening around the world and I know and I wish you guys could see live Fisher's face. I had to bring him back.

I had to unblock his internet. Let him watch a couple of his websites. Give him a cigarette. I'm going to give him a cigarette. Oh, bro. If it's, I think this is time, Fisher. I don't

I don't want to wish you. Driving in this morning, bright and early. Or actually dark and early. Dark and early. I thought to myself, man. If I'm going to go, I'm going to go. I could smoke a pack of cigarettes right now. Just open them up and let me, give me a lighter.

Yeah, stress free. I don't care. Just give me the cheapest lighter you got in the box. And give me a pack of those Marlboro lights right now, man. No, I don't want the 72s. I want the Marlboro lights. I want the strong ones, okay? Because Marlboro lights, that's just a name.

Oh, okay. Yeah, the Marlboro Reds, which are, whof, those are big guy. But I'm not. That's the one that you talk like this. I'm not going to step back into the big guy just yet. But I mean, okay, so I'll just go with the 72s then. All right. I won't even step in the marvellies.

Give me a pack of the 72s and the cheapest lighter in the box. Let's go. I mean, could you? That'll be 3275. Whatever. Here you go. Here's 33. I'm out.

Keep the quarter. Give it to the kids. I'm out. So now we have 124,830 confirmed coronavirus cases worldwide. As of this recording, if you're listening to, and watching live. 4,585 deaths and 67,050 have recovered worldwide numbers. It's just now reaching the United States.

Look, when we go into the podcast mode, for those of you that aren't aware, we do the, you know, we do the show, chewing the fat, and we cut it up also for Blaze Radio Network. And so those of you listening right now on Blaze Radio Network, that only is it free, you're free loading. You're a freeloader. What I want you to do is subscribe to the podcast, chewing the fat. So you get the entire picture of chewing the fat. Because at the end of this podcast today, on the podcast itself, we're going to delve more into this coronavirus.

I am telling you, it's riveting. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, riveting, amazing. Yeah, because I believe we're going to have a conversation

that everybody's having the conversation. Yes, we are. Right now. Yes, we are. But first, do we have some other stories surrounding the coronavirus?

Like, remember way back. I can't remember yesterday. Way back when Hunter Biden missed the court. Several of his court dates. And the judge said, you better be here. Remember way back.

And he missed those court cases and he kept missing them. And the judge said, and hey, we've got a deposition on March 11th. What day is it again today? March 11th. Oh, it's March 11th, right, deposition day. Is that a national holiday?

It is for Hunter. And so there's also a pretrial hearing scheduled for Friday the 13th, which really is a bad omen for a hunter, which I don't blame him. And by the way, Friday of 13, that's when the hunt comes out on movie theaters. But I will say, and remember what the judge said, Better be on fire. Unless his hair is on fire, he needs to be in Arkansas and he needs to be in the deposition. Remember that?

Because I do. And so does Hunter and his attorneys. So obviously he's in Arkansas today, right? Oh, what? No, his hair's on fire then. His hair's on fire. Did we do an Instagram live? We did.

We did. Show him with his hair on fire? We lost him. We lost him. Yeah. No, Hunter is claiming a dude to. my new wife, my new wife is pregnant. He has it?

And no, but he's fears, fears of coronavirus. And the wife is pregnant. And I just, I just can't right now. And so if you could make it, you know, after the election, that'd be fine. Wait, did he say that? Do you actually say after the election? The attorneys did, yeah. So does this coronavirus has an expiration date that after the election is not going to be a coronavirus?

I guess so. But do they know that we don't know? I guess so. You know those elitist bastards, they know. He just, his attorney said, you know, we got all this and look at the time and we're busy and hunters. And I'm going to my hair's on fire. You know, sure, sure the stripper's got a kid that's mine. I already pay her the money.

Eh. I will be paying her her money. Did he give her, I think he did give her some, right? like he has given us some. And then the court said that you have to give him so much of this. But they still need the paperwork

or the deposition. Yes. And so, and remember that Hunter is technically unemployed doing his artwork. You know, an unemployed person doesn't drive a Lamborghini

like he was driving a couple weeks ago. I mean, what are you supposed to drive around in a Mercedes-Benz? Does it drive around in a Toyota? I don't think it was Lamborghini, but it was a high- class it was a rich people's car again what it's supposed to drive around into toyota

Toyota carola some people would say yeah yeah yeah if you're unemployed you drive the 1999 Toyota Corolla that is like missing everything some people would say yeah you would do that yeah and you'd wear an extra jacket because the heater doesn't work yeah or the heater works so you have to unlayer and then when you come out you double layer just you know you'd think that but you can't not hunter you can't you need to talk to uncle oh wait no don't talk to uncle uncle is in trouble too talk to dad oh wait no dad doesn't remember me

he doesn't remember me like bow oh wow i thought you were dead oh wow okay okay wow wow wow what what I mean you've been listening to me too much no holy cow

hey dad how you doing Bo? Bo? Who? Bo? Is that you? I thought you were dead So anyway he's got he can't make it so things are

Dude Things are looking good Joe Please talk to your son He's still alive He's still alive He's still alive I

That's what I said all along What are you doing? man I know I can see why the campaign You know I know you got the preggar's wife Mad at you You know End it

Get it over with And I know that like You know the campaign managers Are like That's toxic We don't talk to you Your son Your brother

You just stay away Stand next to Dr. Jen Or Jim or Biden Whatever it is And stay there Not your sister though That's not your sister That's your wife

Strip clothes are still Trying to hang on We told you know We got Larry Flint Doing videos for the hustler place in Vegas. He's saying, hey, we're hosing it down. We're cleaning up. NYC strip clubs are trying to handle the coronavirus. Do you want to know how they're doing it? I read it. I can give you quick note. Do you want to know how they're keeping the street clubs clean?

Please. Cleaning it twice a shift. I'm sorry? Cleaning it twice a shift. Cleaning it twice a shift. That's what we're going to do. We're going to clear it at the beginning and at the end of the shift. And it is the pole. He's going to host it down at the beginning and at the end of the shift. And you're good. So it is the pole. We're not wiping down anything else. We're not. And by the way, it's funny.

It's funny. Some of the strippers were wearing masks, you know, the little surgical masks, but as a gag, not as like they were worried about the coronavirus. So that was pretty cool.

According to this, they talk about businesses actually spiked due to more locals coming out. Eh, I question that. Well, you know, they're trying to hang out to a little business. They said they've got hand sanitizer stations around the club. Nothing says strict but like hand sanitizer around the club.

Is it hand sanitizer or is it just? No, stop, stop. No, actually it is because it's the one that your Bloomberg is selling. No, no, the Blasio. No, the governor. The governor, sir. New York. Cuomo.

Yeah, Cuomo. They're all the same. They're all the same. Bloomberg, De Blasio. Cuomo. It is the same commie bastards. They are.

It's the same person. So according to Tampa Florida Strip Club, Dejavu showgirls, reportedly giving out 10,000 free masks to customers. Yeah.

What about, Tampa Florida Strip Club Dejavu? What about Mons Vinas? What about the pink pony? Give me some other strip clubs in Tampa. What are you talking about?

Wait. Are they just pulling this from your head? Wait, I can't let that go. What do you mean? Let what go? Did you just pull this shirt goes out of your head? What was the last they went to the circus clubs? You haven't been in Tampa in years.

In years. So Las Vegas Little Darling's is distributing 50,000 bottles of hand sanitizer for free to pay customers. So just get a lap dance and here's a free bottle of your. That's not really free. I just want you to remember that according to the CDC, soap and water are more effective than hand sanitizers. Did they say that? at removing certain kind of germs. So even on this day when the, when who, the world health organization has now technically stamped coronavirus a pandemic.

Look at the time. Look at the time. Look at the time. Let's just go to the strip club. So I'm reading a story, I don't know, a week or so ago, a couple weeks ago about Harvey, Weinstein because I'm enthralled with the Harvey story and we got news today breaking news story. I mean, today was the sentencing day, the 11th of March 2020. And in the story, and Harvey was sentenced and we'll get to that in just a moment.

But in the story that I'm reading a week or so ago, it talks about Harvey's prison consultant. And I thought, a prison consultant. Of course there's prison consultants. What a great idea. Why am I not talk to this person before? And so then I find out the man's name, Justin Perperney. And we contact him, and Justin was more than kind enough to come on the broadcast, come on chewing the fat here on the podcast and the YouTube channel.

And I start reading about his story. He's had an incredible story getting to where we're at today, Justin, welcome to chewing the fat. How are you, sir? Well, great to be here. So do we call you a prison consultant? Do we call you? What do we call you?

Before sentencing, I brand myself a mitigation consultant, helping defendants mitigate through their own efforts to try to get the best outcome. Then if they're sentenced to prison, I transform into prison consulting mode. What is prison like? How to master the experience. How to avoid problems. How to get out early. How to manage your family, et cetera.

So it's both mitigation consultant and prison consultant. Okay. So, and you've been doing this now since you yourself got out of prison. Is that correct? When I surrendered to prison, I realized how many defendants, prepared poorly for sentencing in prison, including me. I sensed an opportunity to help others. So I began chronically my experience in prison,

and then upon my release in 2009, I have never looked back. What a great idea. And I want to talk to you a little bit about your other work outside of Harvey. But since he brought us to the dinner table, we'll talk about Harvey. you've been you were you know in did you help Harvey before he was found guilty in that mitigation phase or was it after he was found guilty and he was looking to be sentenced which he was today so for for clarity i know people in harvey's network were relying on blogs and some content that we produced that article you read quoted and talked about my whole career as a prison consultant I was personally not the one who prepared him four cents. Only because, from what I've heard, he's in a state facility.

And the lawyers, from what I heard, spoke with someone for a couple of hours who actually served some time at Rikers Island. But that doesn't change from what I heard. They were reviewing some of our content and books and blogs and hundreds of YouTube videos that we have created to help federal and state defendants prepare. Yeah. So, I mean, your work at least is helping. even if you're not directly involved personally. Now, for those of you wondering, Mr. Weinstein was sentenced today to 23 years in prison.

That's a tough haul for Harvey. A tough haul for anyone, actually. But for his age and his health, that doesn't bode well for him getting out of there. So what would your advice be to Mr. Weinstein? today. If you were riding in the back of the suburban heading off to a state pen, which is better than a bus, what would your advice be? So with all of our high profile or celebrity clients, federal or state, we remind them that

there are still people in your network that love and support you. And they should recognize this experience is going to be harder on them. So rather than complain or bitch or lament over how unfair this is, they've got to maintain some dignity and strength and look to create a plan so they can be productive in prison. People presume that because you're in prison that life is over.

Yes, you're confined, you're locked up, your body is there. But that doesn't mean your mind isn't free to work and create and think and help and educate others. He's not a productive, privileged life, at least parts of this. He's in a position to educate and help others. So in short, I would convey to him, your life is not over. You're still in a position to contribute and give back, maintain your

dignity, and understand that people have endured worse. People have overcome worse in life. And it's a test for him. And I would remind him of that at every moment rather than fix saving on all that he's lost, perhaps remember what remains. That's a, that's, I love that advice. So let's talk about a little bit about what got you here to this point. You spent some time in, federal prison, not state, correct? That's correct. And while you were there, as you said earlier, you thought to yourself, man, I need to start

documenting this, because you realized to yourself, as you said, life didn't end. Here I am, but I'm still up in the middle of the night worrying about things and thinking about things. So, you know, you started to write it down, and that became a book when you got out. Is that correct? Yeah, so people are fixated on prison. When defendants call me and they haven't even pled guilty or been sentenced yet, what's prison like, the toilets, the showers, et cetera.

And I remind them, prison can be the easiest part of the experience. It's clearly defined with the beginning and an end date. You need to be obsessed with what is life like after prison? Because if you're not ready, it amounts to a life sentence. So in my case, I made a ton of bad decisions before sentencing. I lied to the government. I lied to my lawyers. I just couldn't own what I did.

So not only did I get a longer result out of it, I made matters worse for my network. And then in prison, I realized I wasn't, I wasn't alone. And then I realized prisoners are scared to go home. Imagine you've served two, three, four years for securities fraud, money laundering, bribery, corruption, and you're scared to death to go home. Well, why is that? Can't be a doctor or a lawyer anymore. Your name is scum because of what's on Google and the internet.

You've lost your network and your money. And what the hell are you going to do when you come home? So, you know, I saw a prisoner scared to go home, and I didn't want that to be the case for me. And I began writing through a daily blog and then my first book called Lessons from Prison, chronicling my experience through the system and offering advice to people who were trapped in it. How do you hold a lawyer accountable? How do you not get exploited? How do you keep your family together and get through prison productively?

Because I'm telling you this. If you are not ready to come home, it amounts to a life sentence, whether you're serving six months, or six years or 20 years, you got to be ready. And that's what our work is about what you do on the other side. And it should begin with what you do every day in prison. Do you find that it helps? And I know I realize you're going to, you know, obviously it helps. But do you find that over the years you've refined, you know, hey, I used to tell people, you know, this and now it's this?

Is it pretty much the same kind of thing for everyone? Like you said, the beginning date and the end date is the easiest thing. Let's get you ready to serve that time in between that time. It's evolved a great deal. I've been doing this, our company 10 years, 1,000 individual clients. And with that comes a lot of stories and case studies and data. We have a number of clients in this Marcity Blues college cheating case. So many of them have significant network.

Their priorities on the other side may not be to build a business or even repair their reputation. It's how do I keep my family together? How do I ensure that on probation, my probation officer who thinks my sentence was so short, doesn't try to throw me back in prison. On the flip side, a client I spoke with before our call, convicted at trial, a doctor, used to making money, going to prison for five years. The question is, after five years, what do I do, justice? I'm no longer a doctor.

So each kid, this isn't border plate, it's not templated. Each person has their own life, their own issues, their own idiosyncrasies, and each requires a separate and specific plan. I went to prison at 33. I was not married. I didn't have children. Well, that was measurably easier for me. I was essentially unfettered.

Well, that's different if you're 60 and you've lost your job and you have no resources left. You've got to rebuild. You don't have as much strength perhaps at 60. So there is no cookie cutter approach. Every plan is unique and it requires a great deal of time. to plan it out. Well, as an example, you know, I've talked to a man by the name of David J. Casey, who is a former prisoner and has been out and has, you know, cleaned up.

And he goes back into the prisons trying to help the people in jail as you do. And he was in, you know, prison for over half his life and was with the outlaws and, you know, that whole crime story. But my point is that he often talks about. about the same thing getting out. What happens is they don't realize that life has progressed for the people that were your friends and that you knew.

So when you get out, they've got the big screen TV and the cell phones and the car and you're got the small apartment. And you find yourself wanting, well, I want that stuff too. So maybe I do just one stick up and, you know, so I could get a little cash. And then you're right back into the lifestyle again. So, I mean, it's a difficult road to get out.

Are you working with the national, local penitentiaries to try to get that reform of that thinking of getting out and becoming a productive member of society? Yes, I'm proud to partner with my partner, Michael Santos, who served 26 consecutive years in prison for a non-violent drug crime. I met him in prison. He mentored me, trained me, helped me write, create content, prepare to build this business. And programs that Michael have created are in state prisons.

So, for example, every prison in the state of California goes through a program he created called the Strait a Guide program. The Federal Bureau of Prisons is a client to borrowers. So yes, we create programs, we educate, and we help prisoners prepare for the hardest part. To what you said a moment ago is very telling about his life is moving on. I think something that prisoners have to do is embrace the reality that more disruption is coming. Okay, more downside could be coming. So managing expectations properly and dealing with setbacks is integral because when they come, you shouldn't be a shook.

You shouldn't be as devastated to a degree you become conditioned. And then if you can begin to prepare for that, when it happens, you won't get set back. As an example, a defendant called he was doing great for three months. And then the Department of Justice issued this dreaded press release that paints him as an inveterate criminal. And he has totally sunk. It's tough for him to get out of bed and work and shave and shower and sink because of this. And I said, you should have been prepared for this. You knew that it was coming.

More bad news is coming. Let's be ready when it happens. And if you can do that throughout the journey, when you can do that throughout the journey, when you come home and realize your buddy's living in a big home on the flat screen, you're not as devastated in your tiny apartment because you've prepared for it. And that's a critical component to our consulting. More disruption and pain and suffering is coming, but that's life. How do we prepare and manage it moving forward?

Just incredible. Justin Papernay joining us talking about his work with prisoners, and we'll have more. on the YouTube channel, Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher. And for those of you listening on the podcast, Justin, again, thank you for coming on the show today. I had more to talk to Justin Pappernay about, and we're going to do that on the YouTube channel, Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher. So make sure you subscribe to my YouTube channel, Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher, and we will release that video and the rest of the interview with Justin. on Friday.

6 p.m. Central Time Friday. Now there's going to be another video released today. Chewing the Fat from Pat on Leash. All right. I think it's a pandemic. So you know what you're going to do is just subscribe to the whole kid. Caboodle.

Subscribe to the podcast. I'm telling you. I'm, you know, follow me on Twitter. Holding it the reins. Facebook and Instagram, Jeff Fisher. How to bring you back. How to bring you back? Not being freaked out.

And subscribe to more content. I don't know. I'm not freaked out over the coronavirus. Then what freaks you out? I'm freaked out over the panic around the coronavirus. Okay. Like if we do into a lockdown quarantine mode. Right.

Like how is? I don't know. So are you thinking like a Baltimore kind of situation? Not a Baltimore. Yeah, Boston. Right? When they locked it down there? But again, that was they just asked people.

Yes. You're self-corrhiz. Yes. And the problem that I'm having is, for example, I may have a ranch or two that I want to go to if this because of a pandemic. It's funny because I was thinking the same thing that you may have a ranch or two that I may want to go to. It's funny. Oh, we're on the same vibe. We're viving.

We're viving here. When do I go? I know. Do I wait until they say. Okay. Do you go now? Because it's official. It's a pandemic, right?

You go now. You know, it's, I feel like, when I listen to a guy that does a radio show on this network every day, he does the thing. I mean Glenn? Oh, yeah, Glenn. Glenn. Yeah, he scared me today. Holy cow.

Well, he scares me every third. Holy cow. Every hour three, I'm like, okay, here, me. You mean, every one, hour, two, and three. At three the most because three he goes into deeper dive for why he just went over

You didn't listen to hour one then Oh I did listen to hour one I just skipped that one Oh man Hour one put me I was really I was like I was off the ledge

I was off the ledge And the time when he pushed you in And it was just like Glenn going Oh Jeffie you look like you're You're not close enough to the edge Oh there you go

Okay you're there You're there You're there So let's say that we're According to Lynn 50 days out I think we're more than that though

I think we're better off than being 50 days away from what China was okay because I don't know that when he went back and you look at the headlines of what was happening 50 days ago I think it was worse in

China at that time than what they were reported well I feel like that is true because the way that the government tracks their people you can't do anything over there without So I feel like we're kind of ahead of that curve. Hmm.

But I also know that, you know, we've been waiting for the hammer to fall. And I think the hammer is falling now, right? I mean, we're seeing the numbers go up and up and up every place. We're, you know, we're seeing reports you're talking about, you know, Governor Cuomo is, you know, quarantining. Rochelle, New Rochelle, with a mile circumference around the city. with the National Guard, but they're just going to be there to help out clean. That's the thing, bro.

Okay. Okay. I know. Like, I know. What was the, his quote, hold on his quote, I, I, I tweeted last night. His quote made me so nervous. And it's just because it, it's him, you know, trying to make us feel good. And I get it.

I want him to. But they're going to help maintain the containment center. How? Okay. What move. has that ever gone right? Do I want the National Guard? First of all, if I'm in the National Guard.

What happened to the National Guard that took all those guns away during the storm? Have they gotten their guns back? Very few people got their guns back, right? I think only a few did. Incredible. So like... If I'm in the National Guard,

I don't want to be cleaning park benches and help maintain the containment center? No, thanks. The National Guard they're doing this is the people that see... area. Those are the ones that are cleaning that stuff.

Who's that? CE. What is that? Civil engineering. These are the guys that are doing all that extra work. Right. Or the administrators. Not doing that?

Yeah. I'm not. No. I'm not doing that. Now maybe that's who, you know, when you see the video of people, you know, groups of people, legions of people going down the streets in China hosened off the streets with their bug spray or their disinfectant?

Is that the China National Guard? Whatever the hell it is. Maybe that's who it is. Could be. I don't know. They've made a point of saying, what's happened to the Chinese military? We haven't seen them.

Now, that's a good question, too, by the way. That's what makes me nervous about us sending people to military bases. Yeah. I don't like that. I don't like that. Send somewhere else else. For example, last night. Last night, well, definitely no.

I don't like that at all. Last night. No one supports the military more than this podcast. Especially the Air Force Band. And we talked about that in length. I mean, sure, there's examples of times when we may have drifted away from our support. But for the most part, 100%. No one supports support than we do.

But like, for example, last night, Georgia quarantined a man because he had a coronavirus. He tested positive. He says it positive. For COVID-19. COVID-19, aka Wuhan virus. Wow. He could not be self-quarantine. So you know what they did?

they put him at the state park and he's staying at the state park in Georgia. What does that do? I don't know. I don't get that. And one is pissing me out because now he's staying for free at the state park. He's just keeping him isolated, right? I mean, he's isolated in what at the trip,

at the, not the AAA, but the, uh, the, that's the joint campground? Yeah, the, the COA campgrounds. Yeah, they got the little cab, did you ever stay in those little cabas at the KOA? They're great. I have. Oh, I have. I have.

I have. In Florida. Oh, I've stayed at the K-OA camp. Did I ever stay one in Florida? I think we did. I think I stayed one in Florida, and for sure I've stayed one in Georgia. And I stayed one in North Carolina. And stayed in North Carolina up in Boone,

up in Boone, North Carolina, at one of the highest points in Boone, North Carolina. Great time up there. But we stayed in the one, in the K-O-A camp area, and they got the cabins there. Why, in God's name, I did that. I have no idea, but we did. Oh, geez. But like, and it was fun. That was it.

But let's do have that conversation. When do we leave? I know. Because. And do you leave? As of today, it's a pandemic. So you know what's going to happen? Costco, Sam's, Walmart, Target.

By the time you're listening to this, you're too late to go to the stores. No, you're not. No, you're too late. No, you're not. Because of what you said at the- Except for the one by my house. Stay out of there. Because of what you said at the beginning of this segment is the,

the panic of the people is going to get crazy. Gas is 180. Jason is bragging over there. I know. His Twitter. Because I started that war with him. And I thought, oh, I was so mad last night.

I went to the place that always gives me the lowest one. And I thought I was all ready for 179. Yeah, 179. Yeah. 184. It was 182. I was so pissed. I almost didn't buy gas.

I was so bad. For the two, three cents. No, just because I couldn't take a lower picture to send a Jason. Just swap the things. But hey,

I'll put it back as you want to take a picture. Make this 179. No, you can still charge me 180. No, just put it 108. Just swap the 8 and the zero.

And look at one. No problem. Ooh, out on the board. Yeah. That, my friend, is a good idea.

I do. You welcome. Next time you call you producer and he could help you out. But when. Why did I do that last time? When do you leave? Because what if let's say

the company says, hey, we're closing down shop, everybody worked from home. Because that's what it told me today. If you want to work from home, you can work for home. Who all gets to work from home? Exactly. Like, I can't do this job from home. Like, I can't, but I can't.

But not really. No. And then when do I leave? Do I leave now? Or do I leave when poop his the fan. And when you work from home, I mean, you're limited to. That affects the product. Yes, which is what Glenn was talking about today. It really affects the product.

The quality goes super down. I got friends that do podcasts, you know, and I texted them. I was like, hey, the podcast no longer has the same quality sound. They're like, oh, what are we doing wrong? I'm like, well, this is what you're missing. So like your product gets hurt there too. Yeah. So I'm saying, I know it's like.

I don't know that it matters, right? I mean, in a time of like this, if your audience, if you listening to this, know that, you know, I'm doing the show from my upstairs bedroom. Yeah. They understand. Right. If they don't, well, you know what? I understand. Yeah.

I understand. Right. Can't help that. But I feel like people are having the conversation of when do I leave. I feel the time that you leave is the time when you're questioning when do I leave. Because Fisher, me and you have been on a state of Florida. and when we do the hurricanes craft, when do we leave?

You're supposed to leave before they evacuate your butt. Because then everybody gets clogged up. Right. On the other hand, you could stay and be that old man on the news that drowned. Well, yes, but I'm not talking about, you know, staying, but I am talking about, if you use Florida as an example, you know, when they tell you to evacuate, evacuate.

Yes. All right, and I know, your point is don't get caught on the roads. Well, if you have a plan, if you have a plan of where you're going to go and you have that already worked out, you know, you get in traffic, but I don't know that you get in it. It's the people that don't have a plan that wait until the last minute. And you have a plan. You told me a couple of the plan. You said, you have a plan, maybe go to Amber's. Okay, so let's talk.

Yeah. Because my plans is all here. There's a couple different places to go. Mine is in Houston and college station. So I'm two and a half hours and maybe three hours. It's amazing that mine is in college station in Houston. Can we write together? Yours is in Houston and college station?

Yeah, yeah. Mine is in college station in Houston. Oh, we could just meet in the middle. Wow. Henderson. Weird. Yeah. Okay.

Okay. That's my plan. Okay. Nice. Got that settled. I know. And look, you talked about, you talked about, I watched Dawn of the Planet of the Apes. I talked about this, I think yesterday. I don't know, I've been talking about it,

and I posted it on my Twitter account and Facebook accounts. It's the opening two minutes of dawn, and it's about the Simeon flu. And it's just incredible. Yeah, it looks like today. But life isn't a movie. No. So at the end of the two minutes where it's all shut down, all those people died, by the way. Okay, the guy says, I hope we're remembered. and then they show all the lights going off and all the lights off because there's no power and then we get, you know, we have the shot of the apes in the woods

with our group of people coming from a quarantine zone in San Francisco who are still alive and we're all in love with this guy. Odds are you're not that guy. Wait, what? Yeah, you're not that guy. I'm the guy getting drunk, you know, wrestling with the guerrillas and then having the guerrillas kill me.

I'm that guy. And funny, because when we're having this conversation, I put up a question of... Okay, if life is... What movie do you want it to be? If Corona will be a movie that you watch... What is it? What do you want it to be?

I don't know. I mean, you've got... I'm legend. Okay. Independence Day? Independence Day. It's not a disease, but it's... Okay, but...

Yeah. Damn close to what. They're coming to kill us. I robot. You gave me Eye Robot, but... Look at Eye Robot. But that's, I know, I know. Futuristic movie.

You got 28 days later, 20 and eight weeks later, Res, In In Invo, Contagent. Right. What's the Quiet Place? Oh, that's another sci-fi thing, though, too. Which is a Quiet Place, too, comes out next week. You got the one Hulu, Two Suns? Yeah.

That's the end of the world or whatever. I like that series, too. Limited event series. It was like eight episodes or whatever. It's fun to watch. So. Walking Dead, if we're going to talk about it, I might walk in the dead. Okay. You have to do it.

I'm right. Game of Thrones. Some kind of virus, right? Yeah. I feel like for me, if I want this to be a movie, nothing zombie because that's creepy though. That will freak the hell out of me. But, okay.

I don't want nothing. I'll take, I'll take contagion. That's the movie right there. Okay. Yeah. Because like zombie, dude, that's way too much. to handle. So what's the outcome of contagion?

They all die and they're secure inside the girl? What was the, what was the movie with what's his face and what's his face? Oh, absolutely. Where they're looking for the cure in the rainforest. And the cure is. Yes. Ant going through the sugar and then using that blood as the cure. But what they think is is the ants.

But anyway, I don't remember what it. It's something. I think that was it. I mean, that's how you find the vaccine. And really, we should talk about that. I mean, we have plenty. That's why I'm hoping and praying that we are ahead of the game on that. Because, okay, so even if we don't have a medicine man.

Medicine man, is that what it is? It doesn't sound right, but maybe it is. With, what's his face? Robert, I mean, Sean Connery. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Dude, that's all I put. I literally put what you said to me. The movie or the cure is in the forest with ants.

Yeah, that's right. That's a first medicine man. 192. I love Google. I'll be getting messages on my phone all day. Ants, ants, sugar, sugar. I got it. So, I don't know.

I don't know. I know. And for you, like, you were talking about earlier, it's like, let's say, like, you say you want to go either to the Key West, Philadelphia. All right, let's just, just for an example. Yeah. Don't, we tell them people where I want to go. I didn't say that. I didn't say Key West of Philadelphia.

Okay. Keys and Philly. Sorry. I didn't mean to misquote you. But how are you going to get there? Are you going to fly? No. Are you going to drive?

Yes. Are you sure of them? the state is going to let you drive? They can't. They can't stop Americans from traveling state to state. That's what makes America America. But what happened with the Patriot Act? Because of safety, now we have TSA.

Because of safety. That doesn't stop me from being able to drive where the hell I want to go within the borders of this country. I can go back home. Let me just turn this thing around Don't spot me I got you You guys want to move that truck out of the way Because I got this trailer here

I need to just back this bad boy up Unless you have me just go around the block I just go around the block Come back By the way I'm still winning for my my patron supply And that's what's gonna happen What could happen right

They don't even have to No Wire it now you know You think of the barbed wire fences And the rolls around neighborhoods And cities Where I mean You start to leave your neighborhood

and, you know, we can go back to the house. Well, and then I believe I didn't watch the whole series, but isn't that how, not fear, yeah, fear walking dead? Is it the talking? Fear of the walking dead. Isn't that how they started? Yeah, kind of. Where, like, everybody's in their houses, neighborhood,

locked down, and then they had like a sergeant per neighborhood, and you can't leave. That's how far I watched, so I don't know what else happens. And then they got lost in the shuffle and didn't do the, show right if you want to listen to talking fear or talking walking dead you can go back and listen Jason and myself and Maximus discuss what went wrong with that show in length we discussed if they would have listened to us the show would have been that much better but I digress I feel like if we get there oh I mean oh let's see how New York

New Rochelle was their thing because as I was reading to you off air, you know, for example, as the pandemic gets, as this disease gets labor pandemic, uh, the mayor of San Francisco, uh, bans all large gatherings. Okay. Bigger. Wasn't San Francisco was already, they had already issued a state of emergency, right? San Francisco was the first place. The state.

The state of California. No, no, no, no. I know that the state is in a state of confusion, Genesis. Well, yeah. No, but I know that California is in a state of emergency, and there were more states, I think we're up to maybe 15 or more now that are in a state of emergency.

But San Francisco itself, before there was one case, said that they were in a state of emergency. Pretty sure they were the first one. Was it because of the poop on the streets? Exactly. Exactly. And that's what they're telling you to wash your hands.

I just washed my hands. Oh, was that somebody's crap I just stepped in? Why are you walking with the hands, though? You're talking about that's how I walk in San Francisco uphill. You got a bad knee. Anyways, the mayor bans all large gatherings, including the Warriors games. I mean, the mayor is cutting off a legitimate business.

Yes. From doing their business. Now, you say, Jeff, you might ask me what is. a large gathering. And I will tell you. You know what? Chris? What is a large gathering?

According to the mayor, public gatherings that draw more than a thousand people. Wow. This is in order. So the Warriors could play and let in 500 tonight. Well, you've got to cut the players

and the wraps and everything, right? So 200. So 200. The mayor would for sure, you know. I mean, you got to have. Oh, no. How about we just do what? the debate is doing.

That's going to be no, they won't do that, I bet. I bet that debate's going to get shut down. Just let it, let the players come in and the players play. Some players are already saying they won't do that. Yeah, yeah.

Good luck. And so I'm going to tell you. And I don't think that debate's going to happen either. I bet that's not going to happen. Either they're going to cancel it for fear of coronavirus or Bernie Sanders

and here we are getting political, I know, but Bernie Sanders will drop out. And then Joe does, because I'll tell you what, the best thing in the world for Joe Biden. To cancel all public speaking. Sorry. Yeah. Can't go out.

Wish I could. Man, I would love to. Look at a time. I'm here with joy. I'm just shining my shotguns and my AR-14s, and I'm just here. Boy, Donald Trump is bad, isn't he? Thanks for stopping.

According to the Director of Health in San Francisco, all large gathering and city-sponsored public gathering will be canceled for at least the next two weeks. And I can't read anymore because they need $1.99 to go to the next minister. Yeah, I'm not paying that. Just pay the buck 99. We got the important thing. All large gatherings are canceled.

More than a thousand, though. So if you're going to gather, just keep it low. Keep it low. Keep in groups. 500 here. I mean, really, look, we really should do that. We should be doing that now. I feel that, again, if you're asking yourself, when do I need to self-quarantine, that's when you do it?

And do you think to yourself, like, minor, you know, self-quarantine steps? Yes. You know, like, I'm only going to go from here to here. Yes. Like, I'm only going to do. drive through things. And I talked about, look,

but then you're still interacting with another human who touched your stuff. No, you're not. Because you just go full China. And I thought about that getting gas last night.

Okay, so I get out, I get gas. I don't have my jacket with me. So I don't have my gloves. No, I'm not cold, although I was a little nippy.

But I don't have my gloves. Oh. So, you touch that. Right. But you wash your hands and you don't touch your face. Okay.

So it takes me I don't have any wipes or anything in the car with me I just have towels. You're not prepared at all. I just have towels. So I mean I scrub made my hands bleed from these towels, man.

Because I get in the car, I'm like, crap. Put some gasoline on them and then wipe that gasoline on your hand. That would have been a smart thing to do, wouldn't it? That's why I've done. So I grab a towel and I wipe it off.

And then I got to wipe the steering wheel. Yeah. And I got to wipe the door. I get home and now I got to wipe the garage door opener Oh no I touch that Oh no

Then I got Then I instead of just going in And washing my hands And not, you know Trying not to touch the door and up Yeah no I touch the door not And then I you know So I just grab my stuff from the car

So I've touched all that stuff All that stuff is infected I brought it in the house I mean And you can think about it like that Though you go crazy If you think about it like that I am going crazy thinking about it like that

I know The steps are incredible. They are. They are. They are. Which gets me to the point of we're doomed. We all are going to. Yes. And we all either are going to or already have it. And I believe this is why I do agree with the CDC when they say, you know, elderly should stay home no matter what. And if you have parents or grandparents, you're not going to say hello to them. Because that's the issue I'm handle right now is if I do leave Dallas south of the border to your ranch yes to the ranch I don't want to go down there because they're elderly so I go to plan B well there is no elderly right there is but

they're not on that 60 70 so they're just elder it's elder there's elders yeah and there's not elderly and that's when I ask you where do you fall are you elder or elderly? Yes, I don't remember. You know what? I don't recall. I don't recall. I'm 1505 years old.

So you should not be leaving the house enough. I'm past elderly. So you should definitely not be out. I'm past elderly. And I have, you know, underlying conditions. Oh, the heart attack. Which I don't count now. Well, is a heart attack is your immune system?

It's been over a year. No, but is, is your heart attack something that lowers your immune system? I know. Yeah, so. And I haven't smoked, right? And I haven't smoked, right? I wouldn't count that at all. I don't, me either.

That's, I'm not worried about it. No, because you don't have an immune system. Like, you're fine. Right. It's not an immune deficiency. Yeah, you hard just decided to say. Plus, I have one less body part with the gallbladder gone. So you're golden.

Right. You're golden. You'll be. Right. No wonder they picked you this designated survivor if the cruise was going to happen. Right. Dude, imagine us in a cruise. I would be definitely calling you over the phone.

Oh, yeah. You would not see me for like June, July. Oh, no doubt about that. June July. We'll just come home. They won't let us dock. What did you guys see this week? Water.

It would definitely be an episode from Fear Walking Dead. Oh, man. I do remember they were in the water for a while. Yeah, when they went out. And that was fun. That was a fun part. And then they ended up, don't even get me starting to the podcast. Because I could relive that right now in my head.

I think we were like two hours. now. So I've, no, we only talk for a couple minutes. Don't worry about it. I hear you. I seriously, I don't even know we should be talking about this. I mean, it's, although everybody's talking about it. So, and that's what I get, we're caught up.

I'm concerned about, you know, we did the news thing, you know, Pat on Leash today with the people in Tennessee and I played it yesterday on the podcast. And I want to laugh at the people freaking out. And I want to, you know, you laugh and you think, oh my gosh, at least I'm not that dumb. But they're just scared. they don't know what to do and they're concerned about their families

you know I get it doesn't mean that they're not you know should not be amongst us perhaps should not be having children wow no I don't want to go down that road either

so are we done? Did I mention that coronavirus COVID-19 officially. Officially. Officially from who?

Who? World Health Organization is officially a pandemic.