Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - Ep 420 | Epstein: Dead Men Tell No Tales | Guest: Dylan Howard

Episode Date: July 18, 2020

Dylan Howard joins Jeff for a Saturday chat about Jeffrey Epstein and the Ghislaine Maxwell arrest. The past, the present and what the future may hold. Also touched on the Royals and at least one with a connection to Jeffrey and Ghislaine. Dylan has authored Epstein: Dead Men tell No Tales and his latest book Royals at War: The Untold Story of Harry and Meghan's Shocking Split with the House of Windsor He has authored many other books and has been involved in many high profile stories over the last dozen or so years. This is—for the first time—the full and unedited story behind the sick life and mysterious death of Jeffrey Epstein that is being called one of the most significant scandals in American history   He was the billionaire financier and close confidant of presidents, prime ministers, movie stars and British royalty, the mysterious self-made man who rose from blue-collar Brooklyn to the heights of luxury. But while he was flying around the world on his private jet and hosting lavish parties at his private island in the Caribbean, he also was secretly masterminding an international child sex ring—one that may have involved the richest and most influential men in the world. The conspiracy of corruption was an open secret for decades. And then this summer, it all came crashing down.  After his arrest on sex trafficking charges in July, it seemed Epstein’s darkest secrets would finally see the light. But hopes for true justice were shattered on August 10 this year, when he was found dead in his cell at the Metropolitan Correctional Center, New York. The verdict: suicide. The timing: convenient, to say the least.   Now, Epstein: Dead Men Tell No Tales delivers bombshell new revelations, uncovers how the man President Trump once described as a “terrific guy” abused hundreds of underage girls at his mansions in Palm Beach and Manhattan… all while entertaining the world’s most powerful men—including President Clinton, Prince Andrew, and Donald Trump himself.  How much did they know about his perversions? And did they take part? How might they have helped him to continue his abuse, and to escape justice for it? What responsibility might they have for his sudden, shocking death? And is there a shocking spy and blackmail story at the heart of the scandal? The answers to these questions and more will be explored in Epstein: Dead Men Tell No Tales with groundbreaking new reporting, never-before-seen court files, and interviews with new witnesses and confidants. Combining the very best investigative reporting from investigative journalists Dylan Howard, Melissa Cronin and James Robertson—who have been covering the case for close to a decade—will send shockwaves through the highest levels of the establishment. This Week Sponsor: Get your life back with Relief Factor and its 3-Week Quick Start for only $19.95. If you are in pain, what have you got to lose? Go to https://www.relieffactor.com Subscribe on YouTube Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You may have heard of the sex cult nexium and the famous actress who went to prison for her involvement, Alison Mack. But she's never told her side of the story until now. People assume that I'm like this pervert. My name is Natalie Robamed, and in my new podcast, I talked to Allison to try to understand how she went from TV actor to cult member. How do you feel about having been involved in bringing sexual trauma at other people? I don't even know how to answer that question. Alison After Nexium from CBC's Uncover is available now on Spotify. And now, a Blaze Media podcast.

Hello, and welcome to Chewing the Fat. Today, a special podcast for you. We're going to be talking to Dylan Howard. Dylan is a world-renowned author. His book on Jeffrey Epstein, Dead Men Tell No Tales, which we're going to be focusing on because of Jeline Maxwell being arrested and now pleading not guilty and in jail prior to a. set trial of in 2021.

And he also, his latest book, Royals at War, the untold story of Harry and Megan's shocking split with the House of Windsor. We'll have to touch a little bit of that. But he was a pleasure to talk to and a fascinating man. And I hope you enjoy it. We've really learned some information on Jelaine and what could possibly happen post-arrest and post-pleading not guilty. and some new information that has come to light because of her pleading not guilty and when she was in court.

Really fascinating. Dylan Howard joining Chewing the Fat this week on our Saturday podcast. Remember to subscribe to Chewing the Fat, a podcast that is available wherever you can get your podcast. And be sure to subscribe to my YouTube channel as well, Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher. I will release this interview, eh, you know, sometime next week. Ah, you know, when I get around to it. But I wanted you, the podcast listener, to have first bite at my interview with Dylan Howard.

Welcome to Chewing the Fat. Thank you for coming along for the ride today. I appreciate it. It's a special Chewing the Fat. We're going to do a little bit of dive in, Jeffrey Epstein, a little bit of dive into Jolaine, Well, yes, I pronounce to correct you. It's funny.

And we're going to be talking to Dylan Howard. Now, Dylan has authored a number of books. You may have seen him on television. You may have heard him on podcast. You may have heard him on other interviews. Not like this one. And welcome. Dylan, how in the world are you?

Very well. Thank you, Jeffrey. For those listening, I promise to deliver a one-of-a-kind interview for you. And thank you very much. I know this is a podcast, but you do put this on your YouTube. channel. I am wearing this amazing headset that you sent me. And it makes me feel, it makes me feel like I'm a sports commentator. I could be calling the Thousand Oaks. I could be calling Daytona. I could be calling the basketball. I feel like a sports commentator as opposed to a news commentator.

And since those aren't going to happen anymore, at least for a long, long time, people may not even know what those are anymore. It's just incredible. And I'm a little disappointed. You must have the two of the fat sticker must have come off when you were taking it out of the box. I think you can see it. Yeah, I'm forcing to. Yeah. So, Epstein, in the news again, it really hasn't left the news since he was arrested, you know, not even two years ago, right? And he's been hot and heavy in the news.

And then you have the book that I found really fascinating, the dead men tell, no, take. But they kind of do, don't they? Well, no, they don't. With Jeffrey Epstein's death, rested a number of secrets. But the custodian of those secrets became Galeigh Maxwell. Yeah. So she was wanted by authorities that had charged Jeffrey Epstein,

despite the fact that there was a late 2000, in the late 2000s, an immunity deal. that was struck in Florida that had him caught the one charge of prostitution. Which was an incredible deal. I mean, the inside story of that deal is amazing of itself. Well, Trump's former Labor Secretary, Alex Acosta, is infamous for saying that he was told this was above his pay grade and to stand down. Now, the reason for that is explained in Epstein, Dead Men Tell No Tales, and that is that

Jeffrey Epstein and Galane Maxwell, for the purposes of their own benefit, had inherited Gislaying or Galane's father's business. And that was the business of spying and selling information to foreign entities, compromat information that they gathered by mixing and rubbing shoulders with the rich and powerful. So they were essentially spies operating on domestic soil here. So when Epstein died, many would have been relieved. When Gislain Maxwell was still on the loose, many were very, very nervous.

Now that she's been arrested, I think that there are three distinct routes that could happen. She's pled not guilty. Yes. And no bail. No bail. She's not getting out. Which means that she's got 12 months of being the most watched prisoner in the world. We would hope so.

and she has indicated that she's going to fight this six-count indictment. The second option for her would be to, or for the government, to offer a plea deal, which would strike down some of the charges to a lesser extent, maybe drop a charge or two, and she wouldn't necessarily face the 35 years that she's currently facing. All right, we'll get back to that. What's number three? So number three would be that she sings and sings like a connection. and turns whistleblower in exchange for either a reduced sentence, it's hard for me to imagine that they would let her walk free again

without serving some sort of time. But I'm told by my sources close to her that she has no intention of telling what she knows. Really? So then we're back to number two, right, making the deal. Without giving some information, a box containing names of a book, some sort of box full of videos,

without some information, there's not even going to be a deal, right? Maybe. The Southern District of New York rarely prosecutes a case unless they believe it is unimpeachable. So they believe this is a slam dunk case. And they've said to the court that there will be no superseding indictment,

so she will face no more charges and there will be no more defendants named in the action. So they've really reached the king pin, if you like, of this child sex trafficking operation. So the question is, does Maxwell allow this to go to trial? Does the government allow this to go to trial? If those two were, as we believe, international spies, it would be hugely embarrassing for the US government. For everyone, yeah. For everyone to have a trial like this played out. And the reality for both sides of the political eye would be that they would be significantly tarnished because they're allowed to roam free as spies on American soil with impunity.

Right. Okay, so do you believe that she has information stashed away outside of what she knows, you know, actual documented materials? Yes. You know, I'm one of the few people that has seen inside Jeffrey Epstein's Manhattan townhouse, the most expensive property on the island of Manhattan. I have not been in there, let's just clarify that. But I have seen photos.

hundreds of photos. And in every single room, there were cameras. Cameras that fed into a central control room, and then next to it were industrial-sized Xerox machines that would print out the information as a result of a classic honey trap operation. And I was talking to a source a couple of weeks ago about how this unfolded. And they explained to me what they would do is they would have a party or they would invite these rich and powerful people over.

and there would be overage women and they would have a cocktail party for example and they would cede a couple of underage girls in the mix and those underage girls were told to target a certain individual that individual would then go and have their time with this underage minor it would be recorded and that was the compromise and that's how these two ran a very unsophisticated in 2020,

blackmail immigration. Yeah, still though. But, you know, espionage has evolved. This was just a classic honey trap system. We know that, I mean, we absolutely know that it was full of cameras and stuff. And do we know if they, in their investigation already, if they have uncovered recordings?

Well, we know that the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Department in its investment, in its investigation in the 2000's uncovered home videos at Epstein's mansion. They've never been released to the public. In fact, myself and my research team and co-authors are actively in litigation against the FBI to have the entire file released under Freedom of Information Laws. What they have provided to date is embarrassingly inadequate in response to an FOIA. in the sense that they've redacted so much information. So we know that those tapes exist.

And even if you're called John Ratt Duggen is now in Russia, he was a, and got asylum in Russia, he blew the whistle on alleged corruption at the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Department, and he claims that he took with him a copy of those tapes. We don't know that whether that's true or not, but it's frightening to think that those tapes might well be within the grass. of the Premon.

Right. Then, of course, there is the New York evidence, the old geology evidence, the Paris evidence. Okay. So we've seen the, and I've gone down the list on chewing the fat of the address book that was released. And there were some fascinating names that we, you know, that I highlighted and took out of that list.

But nothing really that you would think out of the ordinary. I don't think. No, I agree with you. In fact, I was talking to a very high-profile media CEO about 12 months ago. And he said to me, you know what, Dylan, I'm named in the Blackboard. Yeah. He said, I had one interaction with the guy.

Steve Bing died recently, and they said he was a close associate, the movie producer. He was a close associate of Jeffrey Epstein. I spoke to his friends, and they said, he never once met them. So, I mean, this one. was in an era devoid of a contact book on your computer. So he had a literal book.

It's been dubbed a black book. But that doesn't, that doesn't incriminate everybody whose name is in that book. No, not at all. And it didn't see, you know, it was fun reading some of the names just to, you know, have fun and let your mind wander a little bit with,

you know, from the dirt bag of Jeffrey Epstein world. But it didn't, there wasn't anything really there. Do you think that in video obviously would be devastating to a number of people if, you know, if they're on it? But do you think that Jelaine has an actual black book buried out back somewhere? I think she has a compromise, yeah. I mean, there's a reason she had five bodyguards from the British military around her estate when the FBI stormed it.

and it's not because of what people close to her are saying the potential for the media to come and get her. I mean, she was a concerned individual. That's why she was living a double life. Right. That's why she posed as a journalist and changed her name when she bought the place. That's why she bought it in an LLC. That's why she wrapped her phone in aluminum foil. It wasn't because she was hiding from the media.

It was because she's hiding from those sources that potentially. might want her to end up the way Jeffrey Epstein ended up. Now, do you believe, and I just got a copy of the dead man, Tell No Tales, and I've been scanning it real quick, and obviously you want people to get the book, but do you believe that Jeffrey killed himself? inherently whenever somebody dies of a suicide, a conspiracy theory sets in. And I love nothing more than a conspiracy theory.

I really do. I would like to think that foreign intelligence got to him and killed him. And I can play that scenario out in my head, and I can think that it's a possibility. But the reality of the matter is, I think Jeffrey Epstein took his own. life. Two weeks earlier, he had attempted suicide. He was placed on suicide watch. No prisoner is returned into the regular prison population so quickly after a suicide attempt. Nor are they given regular clothing, like Gisland Maxwell's wearing paper now for clothing. Yeah. Behind bars. You don't give them electrical appliances with cords like this horrible one with this microphone.

It looks great on you. Don't worry about. And you don't give them prescription drugs that they can potentially have a cocktail and kill themselves. But that's what happened with Jeffrey Epstein. So I believe Epstein committed suicide, but I believe he committed suicide in an assisted way. A message was got to him. Yeah, push to do that, that act that ultimately killed himself. Right. And I would love to believe that, you know, it was a new number on the Hillary.

Clinton death list that took care of Jeffrey. But I, you know, I have to do death list. Right. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, of course. Yes, I'm sorry that you thought it was real. Wow. Dylan.

We're talking to Dylan Howard, author of a dead man, tell no tales, and, you know, author of, you know, a million other books that you've probably read and seen and heard tales about. but most importantly, Jeffrey Epstein and Dead Men Tell No Tales. And we have, you know, Delane Maxwell now in jail for at least a year unless, like you say, they make a deal with it. And it would seem that that would be a good thing to do. Even if she knows half of what assumed she knows, it would be better for everyone involved that it kind of goes away as easy as it can. Yeah.

I mean, I've got to tell you, I was fascinated to read, though, that she was married. And we know that there was an individual, a male that was living there as a tech tycoon. But Maxwell refused to identify and call who the person is that she was married. And so I started mulling this notion over yesterday. and the most logical theory would suggest that it is this guy that she was living with, the tech CEO that was photographed at a home in Massachusetts at one point. Right. But just run your mind through this.

This is a conspiracy theory. Okay. And I'm going to tell you, I have no evidence to back this up. What if she married Jeffrey Epstein? Oh, right. Then it's a husband-in-wife. Yeah. So if she goes to court, she would be able to assert spousal privilege about the child sex

trafficking ring because the privilege survives even after death, which means she will not answer questions and cannot answer questions about the child sex trafficking ring, which would leave the prosecution with a case that they would be unlikely to prove beyond a reasonable doubt given that she's using spousal privilege to a jury of her to hear. And that would be great because now she's laid the groundwork for that to actually be true, right? She's laid the groundwork of her being married, but not allowing you to know who it is. Correct. And looking forward to having her day in court and proving that to be true in front of everyone.

You know, call me a lunatic. I can call it worse than it. But it does seem like a logical theory. You've got to understand. These people were dealing with, these people were foreign assets. So in order to protect the compromise, it's not out of the realm of possibility that someone would be so smart to come up with such a Machiavellian plan.

I love it. And that could absolutely be true. And you know what? I'm telling me, obviously I have no evidence if you don't have any evidence, but I love it and I'd probably if it's not true okay let's say she is married to the

you know the tech tycoon does it do any good no absolutely not I mean he could be called as a witness but he would also assert a spouse or privilege

about what he learned and he likely only had anything second hand from her yeah so I mean if she if he knows was everything. That still doesn't do anything for her.

No, and you've got to think about how the federal government built this case. They had multiple women who were victims of not only Jeffrey Epstein, but Gislane Maxwell, because they have alleged that Gislein, Glein, you know, everyone's going to incriminate us for mispronouncing her name. We'll just call her Maxwell. Okay. All right, fine. We won't call her Maxwell Smart.

Maxwell the Pervert. Maxwell the Pervert was allegedly involved in some of these sexual activities. In court, one of those women spoke out by name. In court, another woman spoke out under the pseudonym of Jane Doe. It just so happens that I know Jane Doe. I've known her for a long period of time. She confided in me about a year ago that she was a victim. she's never told her story

and she rang me in tears after the court hearing tears of joy that Galane or Maxwell the pervert was locked up and likely won't see the light of day ever again well this is a woman who has lived in fear

because of the connections of Maxwell and Epstein for years who has been followed who has had to move from house to house has been explicitly threatened through phone calls in the middle of the night. And that's as scandalous and as scintillating as this story is, it's often too easy to overlook

the lives that have been robbed and stolen. Yeah, ruined because of... Yeah, these two dirt, you know, through the whole dirt baggiveness of their lives. It's just incredible. So this person, Jane Doe, she, I'm guessing that it's a she, that doesn't matter what she's identifying as. I'm just going to call her a she for now.

She's identifying as Jane Doe. She was, was what did it start when she was underage and groomed into this? Yeah, she's so sad. And I was communicating by a text message with her. her this week after we spoke. And when I first met Jane Doe, I had no idea. You know, when you're looking to someone's eyes, you have no idea what their truth is.

And this person dispels empathy for everyone around them. She was not only gifted and talented, she was kind, caring, loving, still is. And to think now that she had that living in the back of her mind. The whole time. That's all the time is heartbreaking to me. Yeah. I mean, and this has gotten out.

She spoke up as Jane Doe in the trial, and I don't blame her for being Jane Doe, but as do we, you know that she's prepared to be Jane Doe, understand. I believe she will. And that sort of takes me back to the question that I didn't answer was, you have to understand how this case was built. The Southern District of New York is considered the sovereign nation in the Justice Department. It is considered really among the whole. And when they prosecute, they prosecute hard. And they rarely take cases to trial because they've nailed it. And in this instance, they've nailed it.

What they've done is built it like building blocks, one on top of the other, on top of the other. Which is what seemed to take so long to make it happen, right? To make this arrest happen. I mean, they were on it. They were just building, putting the blocks together. So they would have gone to someone that had exposure as a potential subject in this investigation. Someone that hypothetically may have been a maid, a pilot, a chauffeur, someone that may have procured girl. and they would have said to witness X,

you're facing 10 years in jail unless you cooperate with us. They would have gone in and given evidence and then they would have been afforded immunity or a non-prosecution agreement. And that's one building block. Then they go to the second building block, the third building block, the fourth building block,

the sixth building block, where they're in a comfort zone that they believe they could prove beyond a reasonable doubt and have a sland-dunk case. So their case against Maxwell, trust me, is flawless. And it would be stupid for Maxwell the purveyor to even consider taking this to trial. Unless... Unless spousal privilege kicks.

She wants to have that be the fallback. You know, that would be a rocking day. Well, I think the trial itself, if it ever went to court, would be the most explosive trial that the world has seen. I tell you the one big victor, the one big victor out of all of this is the Duke of York, Prince Andrew, who is alleged to have had underage sex with Virginia Guilfrey. She has made that explicit claim. He, of course, denied it in the world's worst television interview on the BBC.

The Southern District of New York had been very vocal. about its desire to want to speak to Prince Andrew. And it made me believe that he potentially could have been criminally charged, that he was somebody who would be classified as a subject, i.e., someone they believed could have committed a crime, but also has potential information that could help that building block get to the point of charging Galane Maxwell. But for the Department of Justice to say in court,

that there will be no superseding indictment, and no other defendants means that the Duke of York is seemingly in the clear. Seemingly. Seemingly. Seemingly. Yeah, because I mean, he's still, you know, I know that, I know that, you know, we're in the middle of a pandemic and, you know,

we don't want to travel anywhere, but, you know, he's still canceling trips out of the country. Absolutely. He wants to answer questions. He's been put on the back burner from the royals. I mean, that's a whole, I want to talk to you about the Royals as well. I mean, I am so fascinated with them. I mean, Megan and Harry have rocked the house of Windsor.

I don't care about. They have rocked it. And I would love to talk to you a little bit about that as well. I know that your latest book is on the Royals. And I would, can we talk a little bit about that? Yeah, look, I mean, there are some really interesting similarities with Prince Harry and Prince Andrew in the sense that Prince Andrew pursued a desire to want to sing for his own supper, not be relying upon tax payer-funded wages to live his life as a member of the royal family,

exactly what Harry did. But in the course of that, he of course became friends with people like Jeffrey Epstein. And look where he ended up. Now you've got Prince Harry and Megan Markle, estranged from the royal family, singing for their own supper in California and the monarchy, to my understanding, based on people that I've spoken with, are very concerned that in LA, of all places,

they could end up rubbing shoulders with people that are not in their best interests. Oh, well, there's no doubt about that. And we know that they, you know, you call it singing for their supper, there hasn't been a lot of singing going out. I still see a beautiful supper. There's got to be some singing going on soon, right?

I mean, I don't know how much money we've got in the bank. I don't know who they're going to, to borrow some cash, but I know they've got a lot of friends that are taken care of them, but there's got to be some singing soon. Well, this is a couple that he's said to be able to earn at least a million dollars per public engagement. They were earning about $2.7 million combined as members of the British royal family, excluding, of course, the household labour and taxpayer-funded home, etc., etc.

So the question remains just how much money are they going to take and how much money are they going to put into the foundation, Archwell, that they're formed and said that they're going to do a lot of their charity endeavours through. I think that's going to be the most interesting foundation filing ever, because we'll be able to see how much of the money actually really went into charitable things as opposed to the pocket. So do you think, and I have surmised that Harry and Megan don't make it past another year together, and that Harry goes back with his tail between his legs because Burroughs going to be king. and dad's either going to be really sick.

You know, I mean, obviously, you know, the queen isn't going to become queen or give up the throne to Charles. That would have happened already if that was going to happen. She, you know, Charlie's not getting it. Have a nice day. So, you know, brother's going to be king. He's got a, I just feel like he's going to go back and say, all right, you're right. Megan, heck with her. and break up.

It's kind of just my theory with no info. Look, I think that might have been the attitude towards Prince Charles 15 years ago when the British public despised him in the wake of Diana's death. But he's now like the third most popular royal. So the succession to the throne inevitably does have him unless... No, I know. abdicates and gives it by her order to Prince William. That would seem to me highly unlikely.

Can she do that? I'm not versed on. Okay. I don't know that she can. I don't know that she can't. But even if that, and I know that's not going to happen. No, I understand the chain of command. And if she does pass away, you know, obviously it goes to Charles and it would be nice.

If that was possible, it'd be nice to, you know, give it to Charles if she can't jump him to give it to Charles. And then Charles can say, I see I was king. And then, all right, I'm not going to be king anymore and give it to his son. But no way. I mean, Charles has wanted to be king forever, right? Yeah. And I mean, he's de facto king at the moment by serving out the queen's public duties because she's age 94.

Right. Your question about whether Harry and Megan are going to make it, I just don't know. It seems to me that these two found a common bond with a number of things. They both come from broken homes. Megan's parents split. Of course, Harry's mother died. They both have philanthropic blood running through their veins.

They're both activists. They generally speaking are doing good for society. And Harry has not really liked the limelight, but not avoided the limelight in the sense that he would routinely go out and party and be the rebel royal or the rogue royal. And she was a Hollywood star. So there was a lot that brought these two together. But there's a lot that could tear these two apart. too. If Megan works to pursue a Hollywood Dreams, which she does, she wants to win an Oscar,

that's in the book. Plain and simple. Well, I'm sure the Obamas will help with that. Can they buy an Oscar these days? I think you can. I think they can too. So, look, I don't, the last line at the book is that this is an unwritten story. The conclusion is not there.

I wouldn't be surprised if they moved back to England at some point with their tail between their H.R.H. legs and seek to be reintroduced to the family and the family would take them back. There's no doubt about that. Oh, absolutely. That's not a bad. That's not a bad issue where they don't break up, but they do still come back with the tail between the HR's legs. Yes. absolutely could happen. Okay, Dylan Howard. My man, thank you so much. I know, look, I could be here with you for continued to go, and I'm not sure that you or I both need to make that happen. So I really appreciate you being on the show. So we'll jump back. We'll wrap it up back to Epstein. So Lady Maxwell, we have, do you foresee anything of any interest really happening in the next couple of months, or are we just going to have to wait for something to break after the first of the year? We won't know what's going on, but I can tell you what's going on.

The Department of Justice is having regular meetings with her lawyers, and they're telling them how strong their case is. You're facing 35 years. And look at what they did to Harvey Weinstein. He copped the full sentence. Gis Lane's going to cop the full sentence, just like Bill Cosby. they're going to be taunting them into wanting to take a deal. And if I was Galane Maxwell, I wouldn't, unless you've got that, you know,

unbelievable play that we don't know, which could quite well be spousal privilege. We don't know. Unless she has that, she's going to have to take a deal. Yeah. Because it's the only opportunity for her to potentially see daylight again. And even then, it's very, very fraught that she ever will. Oh, yeah. And she'd be lucky to take a deal.

And even if it's for 20 years, like you said, you know, and potentially be able to see the light of day again. I mean, holy cow, is she going to see the lighter day again? Or is she going to make another, you know, death list if she goes to prison? I mean, if she makes a deal, I don't. I know. I just, I tell you what, she's guilty of one thing. excessive hubris

because she didn't believe that she would ever be arrested she stayed in the United States she's a French national she has a passport she could have done a Roman Polanski and fled to France and not face extradition

but she didn't because she believed she would never be charged right just like Epstein thought he would never be charged fascinating Dylan Howard author of Dead Men

Tell Not and, of course, Royals at war. I would hope that I can put you on the list of talking to you again. Of course. I have to keep in touch with you. You are a fascinating man. Thank you so much for coming on chewing with that. I really appreciate it.

With the headphones or no headphones, it is great. Thank you to you, and thank you to your listeners. An absolute pleasure to be with you.