Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - Ep 486 | Good Luck, God Bless | Guest: Susan Goldberg

Episode Date: October 14, 2020

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Oh boy. Another murder horn. that could have led scientists to his nest. You guessed it, evaded the experts once more. So last week, scientists in Washington, with the Washington State Department of Agriculture, captured a live Asian giant horn. Now, they, you know, we don't like them

because they decimate honeybee populations. So they used dental floss to attach a tracking device to its body. which according to them worked quite well. Really? Because I don't think so. But apparently when they released it, it went wild onto an apple tree and they were happy with tracking it. And then it went down into some vegetated area.

Big surprise there. That's where they go. And then they lost it. So there's that. We got that going to us. Now, a guess these scientists did get an initial direction of flights, so they're still wandering around in what they think is a place that this giant hornet could have gone and where the nest is located.

But they don't know where it's at. They'd like to vacuum the hornets and use carbon dioxide gas to knock out any remaining hornets in the nest. If they knew where the nest was. Now, I guess they did it once before earlier in the month, and they lost that one too. So good luck, God bless. Finding out, they're just going to stumble across it is what's going to happen. Some little kid is going to stumble across the live Asian giant hornet murder hornet nest. And then they'll be aware of where they're at.

So good luck. God bless. Welcome to chewing the fat. So before I tell you about a new love story that bypasses the ages, and I do mean bypasses the ages. Let me ask you a question. Did you know that our brains are not designed

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Or at least he is, I guess. I don't know. I'm trying to follow the thread. He lost his wife a couple years ago. he's in a nursing home and this girl was working at the nursing home at least for a while and now she's hooked up with the

89 year old and there's threads on social media talking about how you know hey I'm considering I'm considering this and if I marry him then I'm the only one that gets the inheritance correct

that is correct but let's hope that you know there is some love there and that you're, you know, not just using him. On the other hand, what does it matter? If he's got no family, or he's estranged from the, from a family member, and he's all, you know, wound up about this 19-year-old girl.

And, you know, he's 89, so who knows, he may go for another 20 years, and that may be the curse for the 19-year-old. Yeah. You thought you were going to get. get it over with soon and do. Do you're not. You're going to have to be taken care of hubby for the next 20 years.

Well, he makes it to 110. That would be, you know, and he's going to be extra happy then, right? All right. So, uh, I would say right now, have fun. Be happy. There's no age limit on love. You just can't. Do it.

Now, I'm sure that many people will say that she's got him, you know, hoodwinked. But who's hoodwinking whom? Did you see the Seattle Seahawks? And I know this is not a big, you know, it's in Seattle. I got it. But it's really where we're at in the world today. More so even in America. The Seattle Seahawks have indefinitely.

suspended radio host Dori Monson, following what they're calling a transphobic tweet he sent Wednesday evening. And that was, you know, during the debate. So he since deleted the tweet, which, you know, okay. He posted the tweet during the Washington gubernatorial debate with Jay Inslee, the incumbent. and they were discussing the state's adherence to science. Okay. Now, he also works for Seattle's K-I-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-M, where he hosts his own show,

and he features weekly interviews with the Seahawks head coach, Pete Carroll. That's part of the gig, right? He hosts the pre-and-post game talk. He probably does some updates during halftime, maybe even an update or two during the game, if there's time. But I've done that job before for college football.

And you do the interviews, you do the coaches interviews. You do the away team interview coaches. You do the home team. And if you're doing your own show, then you end up getting an interview with the coach. And the coach may even, that might be part of the deal. The station is the team, the team's voice. So they do shows and they do interviews.

And that's all part of the, NFL deal for the station and the team. Now, if you're the team's station and the network, you better tow the line because a major league baseball, NBA, NFL, NHL, they all, they all, you know, pull the work. So the stations, you know, have to, they follow a good, no, making fun of the team.

That's why it's always fun. If you're in a big city that has a professional sports team. It's cool to be the station of record that has the teams. No question. Because you get the interviews. You get the coaches. You get the players. And that's what you do. And if you're on the station doing a show and you are able to be a part of the game, that's even better. You get all the interviews, right? So anyway, that having been said, that happens. Sometimes you have to be. Sometimes you have to a little careful of what you say, especially on the air.

But tweets, he's watching the debate of the, of the governor's debate, which he may or may not have to talk about on his show. It's a sports guy, so I don't know how much of it he's talking about it on his show.

But he tweets out after Inslee was talking about the state's adherence to science, the state where I could go to Olympia tomorrow and change my birth certificate to say I was a girl on 10-261. Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha.

Okay, so that's during the debate. He's just trying to be funny and he's live tweeting it. Well, no. Seattle Pride, at our Seattle Pride, was not happy. They posted a copy of the tweet and it said,

we're calling on 97-3-K-I-R-O-R-R-R-R-R-R-R-O-R-R-O-R-O-R-O-R-O and at C-Haw. to terminate contract with Dori Mothi. See, that's the deal. They want people fired. They want people silenced and they want people fired. Due to his continued mockery of and attacks on our transgender community. And they have a link to a statement. And then they also have a link for sign up for our advocacy alerts.

Man, do I want to do that? Hashtag trans rights. Well, they got it. All right. Now, he responded to the claims of transphobia direct at him. He decry cancel culture for coming after him and maintained his words were taken out of context. He said the libertarian in him doesn't allow him to care whether adults would like to change their gender. I couldn't care less.

That's what he said. And they're saying that you're laughing at transgender people. I'm laughing at Jay Inslee, saying we are a science-based state. But I heard a couple of people. I care about deeply. I personally called them this morning, and I said, I'm sorry. If you were hurt by that, I'm sorry. Not where I was going.

Not my intent. Now, they called him a conservative radio host, who previously made comments critical of Black Lives Matter movement and has victim blamed members of the black community killed in police shootings. Okay. Well, he was not on the air on Friday. And big surprise, the Seattle Seahawks

have suspended him from pregame radio. Oh, okay. Now, they call, you know, his politically themed tweet. Okay, that's great. Now, you'd think, now, since the Bonneville radio station, K-I-R-O-F-M-N-A-M, you know, they're going to tow the line with the NFL and the Seattle Seahawks. He gets suspended there too. So not only does he get the boot from doing the games, the show gets the boot.

All right. Now, does he coming back on the air? Good luck. Not in Seattle. I doubt that. Very much. But I haven't seen a release where he got the boot. It's very possible they already, you know, got the booter.

They're telling him you need to just resign. And whatever contract we have with you is Nell and Void. He probably doesn't even have a contract doing the football games. That's probably a deal where he's doing a show. He gets the interviews. And, hey, you want to be part of the game? You get, you know, we'll let you do the pregame. You can do the post game, do some updates maybe during halftime.

And if we have time during the game, we'll call on you. Dori, what? you got for us and you do a quick update on what's happening around the league although the network probably has their own reporter doing that so dory really doesn't get it he just gets a tie-in to the radio station for pre-game and post-game and during his show usually the way it works well inside behind the door of radio of what's going on but my i mean it's incredible right he's tweeting live during a debate and makes a uh what he thinks is just a light-heartedly comment about science and, and, you know, Jay Inslee is a big science believer.

I think we all know that. I mean, we've seen Jay before, and boy, I'm sorry I missed the debate that he was in, but I did, and I apologize. But apparently he was reminding people how much he believes in science. And even Dori Monson was saying, well, you know, really, I, realized that I could go down and be a girl on my birth certificate already, and I was born a male back in 62 or 61, whenever 64, whatever the heck he was born, whatever the tweet said. But that's not really science, is it? That's just what we feel, what we believe. But no jokes

about that. Not in Seattle, my friend. Dory, you should know better. You're in Seattle. And they're already thinking that you're a, you know, right-wing conservative host on a Seattle FM. Wow. Okay. All right. Good luck. God bless. But that is a perfect example of where we're at in the world today.

Man, oh, man, oh, man. And it's a good example of why you need to subscribe to Blaze TV. I'll tell you that. More voices, not less. we're not asking for people to be silenced that's for sure the people that are saying things that you know i don't like that you don't like uh or even that we like i mean more voices the better not silence but immediately they want the voice silenced and they want his job they want his head and it won't be long before you know literally they want his head but for right now it's

just the job we don't want to hear your voice and we don't want you to work in this city again. Wow. Go to blazedtv.com slash jeffee, J-E-F-F-Y. Use the promo code, Jeffey, get whatever discount they give you for the year subscription. There's probably, you know, Glenn's probably got a special promo code to use. It gets you more money off. Try different promo codes to get the most money off, but be a subscriber. Because that also helps in keeping this podcast alive.

We joke around all the time about it being free, but it's free because of the subscriptions to Blaze TV. And, you know, and of course because of our sponsors that help the shows on this network and this particular show. So more important than ever, more voices. Really, the more voices, the better. My gosh, it's just wanting people silenced is not the way to go. Not the way to go. Remember the guy that got arrested by police in Galveston, the horse police? You know, police officers riding on horses in Galveston, Texas.

And they busted him for criminal trespass near a U.S. post office last year in, I don't know, August, end of the summer, somewhere in there. And they made national attention over the photos that showed the two mounted officers from the the Galveston Police Department leading Neely through the city with, you know, his hands are handcuffed behind him and they've got a rope tied to the handcuffs and the one police officer, who's a female, by the way, is leading him down the street with the other officer following behind. Well, I didn't know this, that there's video of it as well. The other police officer has, I guess, his, you know, his chest cam on, his body cam on.

And there's video of it. I watched the video. It is, I don't know how he gets away with now suing the Galveston Police Department for more than a million dollars. So he's arrested for criminal trespass. He's, I get the embarrassment of being tied with a line or a rope to his handcuffs and being led down the street to, the jail, but I don't know I don't know what they

what else they're supposed to do. I guess maybe you call for a car, but I know that you know, the attorney brings up the era of slavery. Does it? I mean, no, but for you and a million dollars, I guess it does. But I'll play

the video because, well, you know, for those of you watching live on the 14th of October, you'll be able to see it if you're not watching live, you're just only going to be able to hear the audio from the video. But what is incredible is that he's fine with it at the time. And the one officer is like, ooh, this is going to look bad. The one officer knows, wow.

The one officer that has the body cam on, he's like, oh, this is going to look bad. I mean, he knows it's an issue right away. If he knows that, they shouldn't have done it, right? They should have called for, they should have called for a backup car to come and get but I don't know how long that takes. I don't know what the Galveston Police Department was supposed to do. Now, the case was dismissed

earlier this year. And that's what made it in the news, right? In March, because it was dismissed. And, you know, he was arrested for criminal trespass. And they tell him in the video, you're not going to go back there, right? You got to find someplace else. You can't be, you know,

hanging out by the post office. And he says yes. And he's got some kind of cap on that keeps falling on his, on his face and they're asking him, well, you'll hear. It's pretty incredible what was going on. I don't know how you get a million bucks

after this video. I don't know how that happens. Come on over to me. You're staying on the side of my horse. He's going to look really bad. Oh, yeah, he knows. Huh? He knows.

You're not embarrassed? I know. You're doing good, Mr. Neely. But we got to do what we got to do, too, you know? Bring your hands up. My wedding cup, too. All right, see we are.

Come back towards me. Let's go look so bad. I'm glad you're not embarrassed, Mr. Neely. Can you see? Can you see Mr. Neely? Can you answer me? Okay. Mr. Neely, you're not going to go back, right?

Don't go back to that location. They don't want to keep taking a jail just for that stupid thing, you know? Right. You can go find somewhere else. It's out of sight that you can. That's fine. walking him down the street now. Now, you know, as bad as it looks, and I say as bad as it looks, it doesn't really look bad. I don't know what you want these horse police officers to do,

the mounted, I'm sorry, the mounted police to do. I, you know, I guess you don't have mounted police anymore. You bring in a mule along to have the, the arrested party ride on the mule as you take him back? I don't know what you do. And you can obviously tell that it had nothing to do with this man being a black man.

It wouldn't have mattered who this person was. Or what color their skin was. The officer decided that we're going to take you back to jail and we're going to arrest you and we're going to, you know, I can put handcuffs on you. But to make sure you're not going to run away.

I'm going to tie a string or a rope or a chain. It's some kind of, some kind of climbing rope chain string that, you know, hooks up to your handcuffs and just, I'm going to, you know, tie it around my saddle and walk you along. I don't know what you do. It's so bad. But he was obviously, look, the guy is being arrested, so he's got to be okay with it.

complying. The case was dismissed, but now, you know, we have attorneys that think they could get, you know, big money in, you know, will Galveston, Texas fold for a million bucks? Probably not. Will they settle for a few hundred thousand so the attorney gets a good cut and Mr. Neely gets, you know, maybe $100,000 or $200,000? Probably. Probably. So, You know, I mean, I keep saying it today. And I think it's going to be the title of the show. Good luck. God bless.

All right. So let's go to the break room. Ah, yes. I'll drink an ice cold, refreshing beverage. From a plastic bottle. That's all I could find. Thank you for listening to Chewing the Fat. I want to remind you to.

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and subscribe to Chewing the Fat there as well. And it'd be good to go. So, yeah. Yeah. In fact, there will be a new video, an unboxing video, going up probably tomorrow. I'll probably put up a chewing the fat. I'll probably put up by Chewing the Fat from Pat Gray unleashed today, for those of you listening live on the 14th of October 2020. And then tomorrow I want to release an unboxing video from a friend of mine who sent me a bunch of stuff.

I can't see it. I believe it's, uh, most of it, if not all of it is from his, uh, The Silent Will Beheard.com. The Silent Will Beheard.com. So you can look forward to that. Anyway, subscribe to the YouTube channel. And then you'll be able to see some of the merchandise. that you can get and be a part of the silent will be heard.com. So there was a bomb that they found from World War II.

I know. It's a British bomb. They called it the earthquake bomb. A tall boy that was dropped by the Royal Air Force in 1945. Wow. It was dropped during an attack on the German cruiser, when the Polish city was part of Germany. And the Polish town of...

Yeah, they... That's where they were going to... It's where they found it underwater, near the town of... Swinowistee. Yeah, you know, that's right there. and so they were going to diffuse this bomb that they found because they found it underwater near the Polish town of Spinoe

Yeah S-W-I-N-O-J-S-C-I-E Beautiful If you've ever thought to yourself Where could I get a timeshare That would be beautiful right there on the water that would be where and so while they're doing it they're doing a thing

called a deflagration deflagration it's a diffusing technique that involves burning the explosive charge and the bomb without causing the explosion uh it exploded they didn't do it right or it was just wrong or the bomb was ready to go

so it was felt all across the city of and it's the home of a liquefied natural gas terminal wow so i mean it's possible it didn't happen of course everything's fine the mayor said ah no infrastructure was damaged don't worry about it stop whining it was fine nothing happened it just blew up the old bomb, okay? Everything in... Is fine. Don't worry about it. Just, you know, if something like that ever happened again in... Then, you know, it's possible that the national gas terminal could explode.

But it didn't. So quit your whining. But it does go to prove that no matter where you're at, whether you're in, you know, the waters off of Florida, or the waters off of Florida, or the waters off of if you find an old World War II bomb, it could explode. So be careful. And if you really, I mean, if you were walking around, let's say you bought a timeshare in and you were just walking around and enjoying the day and you found a huge bomb like that and you didn't know what to do and you didn't

know, hey, should I call the mayor of spinowice or should I just, you know, pull it out of the water good luck god bless did you see where gale goddott or gal gadadadad or whatever the hell her name is i don't know you know the great actress gal gadadat and you know wonder woman and uh you know the huge star that galgad is i know she is stop it i'm just uh you know i love her i did i say she was great she is she's great i love her but she's getting criticism now because she's going to star as Cleopatra in the upcoming Paramount film. So they don't want her because she's an Israeli actress. Those Jews, man.

They just want to do everything. It's so silly because the actress playing the role of the queen of, of Egypt. Wait, what? I mean, you can't have an actress play someone that's trans, that's not trans. You can't have an actress

playing a gay person that's not gay. And now we can't have an actress that is going to be playing Cleopatra from Egypt from another country, especially Israel. Oh my gosh. Oh, now I didn't know this,

but apparently, you know, Liz Taylor, who played Cleopatra, you know, the big Cleopatra moment. She was in trouble for playing Cleopatra as well, because she was outspoken for the support of Israel and her conversion to Judaism. So that made her persona non-grata in Egypt, which later decided, you know what, this movie is going to give us a lot of publicity. So you know what? We're fine with it.

Don't you worry about her playing Cleopatra. That's fine. We live on, we know that they live off tourism. My gosh, we do those stories of them finding old tombs all the time and they're always whining about nobody coming, especially during the pandemic.

I mean, they got nobody going into Egypt. And they want to, you know, they want to open up the world again so people can start coming back and spending some money. And I don't blame them. I agree. Open it back up. But to be upset now over actors

playing roles that they have to act in to fulfill that role is insane. It's just insane. And by the way, Cleopatra, the queen of Egypt, let's remember that

she really wasn't Egyptian. I know. I know. It's a funny little thing. She was really kind of Greek. Yeah. I know that she was the queen.

and everything of Egypt or the king or whatever that her title was whatever title she wanted to be but she wasn't really Egyptian according to this I don't have the DNA in front of me but she was Greek

with Persian and Syrian ancestry so I think it has more to do with Gail Gadot an Israeli a Jew playing another Greek person.

And there were also, you know, the haters saying just that. Your country steals Arab land and you're stealing their movie roles. Shame on you. Hey, at Samira Khan. Zip it. In 2017,

according to Pew Research Center, approximately two-thirds of people report receiving some, if not all, of their news from social media. Wow. And that's why they're so on top of this. You know, we talk about what Facebook and Twitter is doing to, you know, as we head up to the election. Just incredible. If we said yesterday, Facebook's not going to ban content that distorts or denies the Holocaust. Wow.

Pretty huge. They also said that, you know, during the election, they're going to, you know, they're not, they're going to make sure that, what is it, the exact quote that they're going to do? Oh, darn it. Well, they're going to ban ads, glads after the polls close on election day. they're going to put a banner at the top of your at the top page letting you know that no winner has been decided until news outlets declare one oh oh that's good

i know twitter is probably going to be doing the same thing i mean they're already blocking and making you double and triple click president trump's tweets so your tweets are going to be looked at as well And now they're going to start, I think, in a few days. Yeah, October 20th. They're going to start when you hit retweet on Twitter. You're going to be given a prompt to add your own take. The quote tweet option.

Well, if I wanted to quote tweet it, I would have hit the other prompt. I wouldn't have hit just retweet. Now, we know it's going to add extra friction. The goal is to encourage users to add their own things. thoughts, reactions, and perspectives to the conversation. Yes, we want you to say more so that we can block you for saying it. That's

what we want. We want to create more conversation. But be careful what you say. But we want you to say it. That's for sure. We don't want to have anyone undermine any of the election results. Oh.

Okay. Now, are you going to be removing tweets that encourage violence or urge people to interfere with the election process? You say you will, but are you going to do that? Okay. Now, according to this, that's going to, you know, they're going to be a problem for candidates who prematurely claim they've won an election before they blow the final whistle. Well, you know, if one of the news outlets hasn't declared you a winner yet,

then you're not a winner. So heaven forbid you say something on social media that one of the news outlets hasn't declared yet. It's just amazing. It's just amazing to me. More voices. More voices. Not less. More voices.

Not less. Good luck. God bless. That's my line for the day. More voices, not less. Good luck. God bless. So I told you the other day, I was reading about.

the Broadway and how they they've extended the shutdown now through May of next year some shows are you know there's some shows are bragging hey we're going to be back in February of 2022 yay

and so you know we're Broadway there's dying right I mean New York is major ripple effects through the entire city and they're talking about about, you know, it's billions of dollars, billions of dollars, tens of billions of dollars

that are just being washed away and lost in New York. But it got me thinking about the stupid George Benson and, uh, on Broadway. So I've been singing that stupid song for a couple of days now. It's been in my head and I can't get it out of my head.

But then I went and looked up George Benson. And there's a fascinating guy. Now he's 77 now. So I've got to reach out to George Benson and talk to him because he's at the age now where he's not afraid to say whatever the heck he wants to say about whoever it is he's talking about and mad at. So I've got to reach out to George Benson and see if we can talk to him. He was born in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

Fascinating story. When he was a little kid, he was performing. So he talked about playing a ukulele at a corner drug store when he played guitar at a nightclub an unlicensed nightclub that I'm sure was probably just for, you know, black people because he was born in 1943, right? So this would have been 1950 in the 50s. So as a little kid, as seven and eight years old. And so it was probably, you know, the unlicensed nightclub was just for black people.

And when they closed it down, then he set out to record an album when he was nine. And they found out that his schooling was being affected because he was performing. So they took his guitar away and then he went to a juvenile detention center and his stepdad then made him a new guitar. I mean, it's just a fascinating story, George Benson. So I may be talking to you more about George Benson because I can't get the song out of my head. Stream and subscribe to more Blaze Media content at theblaze.com slash podcasts. So I talked about that Pew Research Center. poll that talked about two-thirds of people report receiving some, if not all of their news from

social media, which brings into light this new National Geographic book that I have in my hands, breaking the news, what's real and what's not, and why the difference matters. And you open it up, and one of the opening pages, it looks really good, too. I've been fingering through it. And I love the fact here that it talks about. 63%. This is where do kids, teens, from 10 to 18, get their news. 63% family, teachers, friends.

49% social media and the internet. 46% TV, print, newspapers, and radio. That seems a little high for me between 10 and 16. TV, yeah, I guess, print, newspapers and radio. I mean, those are all still things that are alive, but, I mean, newspapers are barely alive. Magazines are barely alive. People are still doing books. You know, absolutely doing books, which is why I wanted to talk to Susan Goldberg,

who's the editor-in-chief of National Geographic and editorial director of National Geographic. partners, and she's going to be talking about this new book with us here on Chewing the Fat. So let's get around and have a few moments with Susan. Editorial Director of the National Geographic. Wow. How long have you had that job? Susan, before we get to the new book, breaking the news, I mean, how long have you been the editorial director of National Geographic?

So I've been the editor-in-chief of National Geographic for about seven years and editorial director for about six years. Now I have both titles. So how, wow, I mean, you've taken the reins. You've taken over the power. Okay. How has, I mean, the world has changed even in six years, right? I mean, it's been incredible.

It has been incredible. And, you know, the changes in media, particularly and news consumption have been dramatic, which is one of the reasons why we decided to do this book. Yeah. I mean, I was just talking about some of the, the things that, you know, the social media is doing up to the election and after the election. And I was talking about the pure research poll that talked about two-thirds of people report receiving some, if not all of their news on social media.

That was three years ago. That had to have grown. I mean, the amount of people getting their news from social media has to be at least that much. Oh, I'm sure it has grown. And especially young people particularly are getting, you know, just a vast amount of their information from social media and other sources on the Internet. Sure. I mean, this show is just, I mean, when you think of all the shows that people are listening to, technically, that's the Internet, right? I mean, they're listening to, you know, calling it radio shows and, you know, interview shows, but it's all Internet driven.

so, you know, when you start thinking about it, it's you're getting your news from the Internet every day. I'm going to look. I subscribe to YouTube TV. Send that, hello, Internet. Right. Anyway, go ahead. I'm sorry, Susan. I mean, just, you know, coming from the Internet doesn't mean it's bad.

The Internet is an amazing tool. What it does mean, though, is that we've got the ability to disseminate information in a way we never really had before. And anybody can disseminate that information. And I think that's the big dividing line between what happened before when you had to own a printing press to disseminate information or had access to radio airwaves or a television or a television network. Now, anybody has the power to disseminate information. And so that's why people don't know where it's coming from. And that's why we're all so overloaded. Well, and that's, you know, the beginning gets us into breaking the news.

what's real and what's not the latest book from National Geographic. And it's four ages starting, you know, anywhere from, what, eight, nine, ten-year-olds? Yeah, I would say, you know, it's really designed for 10 to 18-year-olds. But I have to tell you, I have learned a lot reading this book. And I've been in the news business for 40 years because we all need those tips and tricks and roadmap for how we can tell good information from bad. because there is just so much of it now. And like we were saying, you don't know where it's coming from. So we all need help trying to sort through good and bad.

I love it. I actually started thumbing through it this morning, and I got tied up with other things, and I'm going to get back to it. Because we all need a refresher course, even if you're not 10 to 18 years of age, which I most definitely am not. But we all need a refresher course of, you know,

the history of news. what it's all about. And, you know, I know it's easy to think that, well, you know, it's who, what, why, where, when, and how. And that's the story. But in today's world, you have all of that, but it's the surrounding fluff that becomes the wishwash of the story. One of the things I like about this book is you do go into the history. And one of the things you find out is that there has been misinformation as long as there has been information. Right. Right. And so, this isn't just a new phenomenon. What's new is the ubiquity of it, the ease of it spread, the, you know, how just, how a lie can make it around the world before truth gets its pants on.

That's for sure. Right. So it's an old expression, but it is so true and it has never been more true than right now. So when you, like my, I use my kids, for example, they would, you know, if it wasn't for me, they would be, you know, just your average kids. So, I mean, do you just throw this book on the table and say read it? Or do you think, I was really, as I was looking through it, I was thinking, this would be a great thing to sit down and just thumb through with your kids to give them an idea of, you know, of the relationship between, you know, media and everyday people, what it's supposed to be. Oh, I think it's a great family conversation.

And there's a lot of compare and contrast, right, with the news that you and I grew up with, with how people are getting news now. And it is interesting. And I think young people are very interested in being good news consumers. I mean, one of the facts in the book that I was surprised by was a third of the young people told us that they had unknowingly passed on a story that turned out not to be a true story. Nobody wants to be that person, right? We all want to not only understand whether the information that we've got is, right or wrong, but we don't want to pass on bad information. I mean, I've been in, look, I've been in

radio, you know, radio and TV a long time. And, you know, you always, there's always stuff that you throughout the years, you know, I was wrong. That was fake. I knew that was fake. Why did I even talk about it? Or, you know, so, so much of the stories, so many of the stories I do now is like, I'm going to tell you this story, but I don't think it's true. Well, you know what, Jeff, the, the book actually talks about that very phenomenon. You know, if something seems too good to be true or seems too outrageous to be true or if your spidey sense just kind of goes off when you look at a photograph and you say, is that real? You know what? Chances are it probably isn't. And so we need to listen to that little voice

inside us all saying, you know, I don't think that's right. Or there's something wrong with this. And people shouldn't be shy about listening to that voice. So you guys put together a lot of, a lot of great books and a lot of great ideas. When you sat down and, you know, had this pitch to you, or maybe it was your idea. It seems like a pretty easy decision. You know, it was not my idea. I wish it had been because it is a great book, and it's incredibly timely and highly useful.

So I think it really hits all those marks. What I like about this book, though, is it's also really entertaining. You know, it's not swaths of gray type. It's not boring. It's, you know, it's fun to read. It's accessible information in sort of bite-sized chunks. It's beautifully illustrated.

Some of it's very funny when you look back at fake photos through history and, you know, amazing hoaxes. You're just like, wow, I can't believe people fell for that. Then people will probably in the future say the same about us. I was just amazed being reminded of some timelines, you know, because we had the timeline of, you know, the typewriter in 1868. Do you remember that personally? No, I'm just thinking. Oh, yes, I do. As a matter of fact, I do.

And what a good year that was. by the way. And I couldn't believe, I told them that that thing would never work. Nobody will ever use it. You know, so that's where I was in 1868. But it just,

how, I mean, we're still using those things. Yet in Facebook is only, you know, 15 years old, 15, 16 years old.

And it seems like we've been overwhelmed by this thing. But the things we're still using are, you know, hundreds of years old. Well, and things are speeding up. And that's the, you know,

one of the points, really that, that the book makes, which is, you know, we've got this set of tools at our disposal right now, but those tools are changing and modernizing every day. So we will never be able to say, aha, I've got it. Now I am 100% media literate. I've got this thing nailed because the tools will keep changing and the stories will keep changing. And so people really need to be active consumers on their guard. You've kind of got to be a professional skeptic when you read stories and when you access news.

really that's the that's the main point of any of the the news stories in the news i mean that's probably you know i don't know if it says it in the book i'm not 100% through it yet but i mean really that's the number one thing right if it looks too good to be true it probably is and you've got to think i don't know that that's that story doesn't sound real and so if it is you're like wow okay well when when i was a young journalist um i remember uh great Rizzled veteran coming up to me and saying, hey, kid, if your mother says she loves you, check it out. Now, that was a common expression back then.

And of course, you know, my mother loved me, but I understood what he meant was be skeptical, be a curious person, act like an editor. You know, does this story really add up? Does it quote legitimate people? Does it come from a legitimate place? Are the people named, or if they're not named, is there a reason given as to why somebody's isn't attached to this? I mean, that's the whole, that's the whole who what, where, why, when, how, you know,

I mean, we didn't want to know those. Yeah, those are the prime parts of the stories. Susan Goldberg, editor-in-chief of National Geographic and editorial director. She's taking all the titles now at National Geographic. Breaking the news, what's real and what's not, and why the difference matters is the new book from National Geographic. Really fascinating. What's your, one last thing.

let you go. I know you've had a long day and I appreciate your time with us here on chewing the fat. What's your favorite part of the book? Oh, you know, I really love looking. There's a, there's a couple pages in the book that show people how they can look at photographs to tell if they're real or if they're fake. And so at National Geographic, we spend a lot of time looking at photographs. And what we always do is we get, you know, the brains from the camera. We make people give us their raw files. They have to turn over every single shutter click to us so we make sure that nothing we picture is fake. My wife is a photographer. She'll be very happy to hear that. Okay. But what we do is give people a lot of just tips and tricks and show them pictures so they can look at a picture on

Instagram or something and go, wait a minute. That can't be right. You know, I see a flower in a beautiful field of flowers, but when I look at it more closely, it's the same flower. A thousand times over, that's a fake picture. And that's an innocent example, but there's a lot of examples for ways that you can tell real from false. And I think it's incredibly handy. Oh, yeah, really important. I mean, we've seen, you know, let alone fake stories, we've seen fake pictures that travel around the globe pretty fast as well. That's for sure.

Susan Goldberg, editor-editorial director of National Geographic, the new book Breaking the News, What's Real, What's Real, not and why the difference matters you can get it. It's available wherever you get your National Geographic stores. Is there a specific website you want people to go to or are you just good sending people out on their own? People can go to bookstores. They can go to Amazon.com and get the book or to National Geographic.com. And we would be very delighted if you did that. There's a lot of good stuff there. Susan, thank you very much. I appreciate it. Have a great day. Thank you. You too. It's week two of Canadian Tire's early Black Friday sale.

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