Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - Jeffy's Corner: Talking Fear 2 - 1

Episode Date: April 11, 2016

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You're listening to the Jeff Fisher Show. All right, welcome to it. Jeff Fisher, Jason Butro, Aaron Hernandez, who will join us next week as we discuss Fear the Walking Dead. Latest episodes, season two, episode one, last night. I listened to their theme music in the beginning, and you know what? I don't really like it as much as I like the real Walking Dead.

so we're still using that one. Ha, ha, ha. Don't they wish they had this. I'll change it up. All right. Wow, man. Wow, wow, wow. Was I disappointed?

I'm kind of nervous that what we're about to do to this is going to ruin your chances of becoming a walker. I don't want to be a walker on fear. I do not want to be. Although fear right now is the only really walking dead where I could be a walker because there's still fat walkers. So I still got a shot. So everything that said on this broadcast is all Jason patrol.

I got nothing to do with it. Well. Wow. I was very, I took it. Let's start off. Let's walk through just before we go into helping them. And that's really what it's about. We're helping you, AMC, to make a better broadcast.

We're here for you, AMC. To make a better broadcast because of the fact that, wow. Yeah. I was very disappointed. It was a dumpster fire. is the best way to describe it. Very disappointed. You know what?

This is the thing, is that I went into it completely with an open mind. I did too. I thought I'm going to give it a shot. We're going to, they're on the beach. I got it. I watched all the previews. I tried to get into the characters as much as I could because, as we discussed, there was none of the characters really caught fire.

Well, but so. I mean, there was one that really that I love. Ruben, Ruben Blades. Okay, yeah. I love him. Daniel. Yes. His character's great.

And there were a couple others that I really kind of enjoyed in season one that they killed off. Why is his character great? Because they gave him an interesting backstory. Remember in the first season, they're like, he's like this like, like he was a torturer for the El Salvadorian army or secret police or something crazy like that? And he was taking care of his family. Yeah, so he's interesting. He is actually interesting. Unfortunately, he's alone on the cast for being interesting.

I know. So I want to talk about the opening scene, which got me psyched, right? So, like, they're on this beach, you know, and you can tell everything. I mean, they're concocting this plan because they've basically been, I'm thinking of it like in like military means, like they've been pushed to the ocean and now they're going to be retreating to the ocean. And I'm like, okay, I'm getting into this. And then that battle scene where they're all like having to like knock walkers in the head with rocks and stuff.

Right, it was good. Which, come on, if they would have been in the south, like our Walking Dead was, there'd have been guns all over that place. That would have been like the okay corral. Although California, and these two are, we're in California, so. They can't. They don't have access. Right. And especially these two, these two Dingleberries were teachers.

They don't know about guns. Yeah, I definitely made no to that because I was like, oh, man, come on. Perfect. If you're looking for a great reason for the Second Amendment, there you go. This opening scene right here. I know. Their group, wielding rocks against the zombie apocalypse versus Rick's group wielding AK-47.

And it seemed to me that it, we're supposed to see, watch it go through the beginning, right? At the beginning of the plague. Yeah. Whatever turns them. And boy, it really happened fast. We didn't see it. I know.

They started off kind of strong or not really strong. Kind of slow. They showed us a couple of people getting sick in the streets. And the first season was so slow. It was just the pace was so slow. But the premise, the idea was great. Hey, what happens in a huge, massive city during an apocalypse like this? Apparently wide shots of the city.

And that's it. I mean, there was no drama, there was no action really hard. I didn't feel it because it was just so slow. Well, yeah, you, you eventually, they tease it by showing in the National Guard and all that stuff showing up in the first season. But then I just lost it because it was so slow. Now, then something, okay, so they end the first, the first season, you know, the first season, season where they get to this pristine, you know, like kind of calm beach society. They go from that to the season premiere of this.

Everything's a blaze and it all went to hell. Right. We missed all of that. How did everything get on fire? They didn't show us that step. And that's what you're interested in if you want to watch this. How does that happen? You know, how does society go from the outbreak to everything on fire?

From a YouTube video of a guy not dying, you know, getting sure. shot up and then just continuing to be the walker to the entire city burning up and military planes flying and bombing it. Dude, that could have been half the season right there just showing going for how all that happened, how this, how L.A. is now in flames. You completely missed that. I know. Okay, so that's problem number one.

Now, let's move on. Now, I love that scene though of seeing L.A. It was really, that was a great scene. It was cool looking. The pacing was good. And then you get like Nick. coming in with that Nick, the sun driving in on that little fast boat in the rescue. And I was like, yeah.

You know, I was actually into it for a second. And then he did a very George Romero-esque, you know, motorboat to the face from that walker. Yeah, that was great. That was dope. Yeah, that was great. I was feeling it. I was like, I see what you're doing here. You know, I'm getting pumped up.

And then nothing after that. Absolutely nothing. It went from there, for me, to feeling like they didn't really, they didn't want to be, they didn't want to show, they knew they had to get. get the characters out of the city, which I don't know why, because that's the draw for watching Fear the Walking Dead, this happening in a city. But they wanted to get them out of the city. So they were like, well, we can't put them in the woods, you know, because we have Rick and the gang and Walking Dead, you know, running around the woods. We can't do that. So what do we do? Let's put them on ships and it's like a big pirate adventure. That's what this felt like.

I was like, this is like a pirate adventure. I mean, seriously. Literally. I mean, that's what they're setting up, pirates. That's what they're doing. I mean, that's exactly what they're doing. We found that out with our girl talking to, what's his face, Jack or whatever his name was on the radio, on the vote radio. Which the writing is stupid because you know what you're setting up there. The whole time, I'm like, you're not even pretending that she, you know, you're not even, like in Walking Dead, we even look back on other episodes to go, hmm, I wonder what they were doing there. You know, or like our theory that we, I'm christing this, that we started was that Maggie got poisoned. Yeah. And that's why she...

That's a strong theory, too, by the way. And then what's her name? I'm blanking on her name. Enid is the mole. Absolutely. 100% fact. That's how it's written. If we can look back and have these little conspiracy theories,

where is that in fear of the walking? There is none. The writing is not there. It's so predictable. And the characters are... Let's rip apart the characters, okay? Shall we? Let's do it.

Let's start. By the way, this is Jason Butchran speaking. If you need me to be a fat walker, fear, just call me, I'll sell out to you. The fanboys getting nervous. No, I won't. Actually, I wouldn't. I don't want to. You're sweating. I don't want to be a part of it.

I don't want to be a part of it. I really don't. If I can't have the real Walking Dead crew kill me, I don't want anyone to kill me. All right, so we have Alicia, which we just mentioned, who she's the lonely girl. Right. You know, she's the lonely girl. We have Chris who punched his father, Travis, in the face. He's the mad guy because his dad.

had killed his mom. You know what I mean? It's a whole lot of development there. You got Nick, who was a drug user, and we all wanted him to die in the first season, but for some reason he hung around. And we're supposed to like him. We're supposed to like him, but there's no likeability. Oh, but let's have him all of a sudden become kind of like a medic, you know, like a doctor. One of the most four scenes. He's like, hey, by the way, I know how to treat that injury that you have there. Oh, and by the way, yeah, you, vodka. Vodka, a lot of vodka. Okay, yeah. Oh, my God.

What a forced character, whatever you call that add-on to this guy's character that I've ever seen. I was like, what are you doing? Give me a break. It was just so stupid and forced. The guy, Travis is just a weakling. You know, he's just... The dad. Yeah, I mean, I like that actor.

I actually like him. I do, too. He's been in some cool stuff. I know. Again, here's a character that I want to like. Same with Nick. You want to like him. I want to like him because I was hoping from the beginning that he was going to be someone I could like.

That has not been the case. Yeah. I think we need to go out and finish your role here and then we'll talk a little bit about a couple ideas to help them. Well, I have an easy, I mean, this is all very simple, but I'm just going down and I'm making the point that all these characters are very, there's nothing interesting about them. save for who we just picked out Daniel who's cool. We could have a lot of cool stuff going on with that character. And he's the only one that actually came up with an idea of a theory about our man whose boat we're on. Daniel is the one who said he was already getting ready before all of this happened.

So how does he know? That's another interesting, the Strand character, that guy. I can't remember his first name, just his last name, a Strand, the guy that one's the guy that owns the boat. He seems kind of interesting to me because he's like the survivor. Victor, Strang. But again, but remember now, Daniel made a great point. And when he said it, I was like, yeah. He was getting ready and everything was packed up.

And he was ready to go before this all broke out. And he was, when they went back to the house, there was already, he wasn't ready to stay behind his walled house. He was ready to get out. That's true. So I don't know if they'll develop that further. I'm kind of hoping they did. I hope so.

You assume so because they had Daniel bring it up. Right. But they're really the only two characters that I'm even remotely somewhat interested in. But, and again, the characters are just, they're just flat. They're flat. Who know who these characters are? Every single one of them is a second or third tier character in Walking Dead. These are the ones that we're saying, oh, you know, well, they're obviously going to kill this guy, this guy, this guy, this guy, this guy.

You know what I mean? And we're picking out all the second tier characters. Right. all of these people would barely crack the third or second tier in Walking Dead because we don't know anything about them. We don't care anything about them. And speaking of that, I think that one of the things that they should have at least started with this season

and the reason they didn't do it last season, I don't know why, is to get to know the characters is maybe have, you know, like they all, this episode they made a big deal of nobody's sleeping. Well, somebody's got to pass out something sooner or later. And now would have been a good time because they all would have been worn out for the past,

however long they've been up. So when they first got on that boat, that would have been the time for them to pass out and say, okay, I can sleep for a little bit. And you could have had some couple of dream sequences of backstories to get to know some of these people. Right. Okay, before I make this next point,

going along because you make a good point there. There's so many ways that they can do that. I know how they, like, yeah, like there's like the Morgan episode from Walking Dead. They could do something like that. We've had several of those throughout the same. seasons of regular walking dead. So they could do a full-on background on why this person is the way they are and show them

like that. Or you can take them on a, you know, I don't know, some kind of character progression that kind of like how Carol was done in The Walking Dead, where you devote several episodes into really going into why she is the way she is. Or write some very traumatic things that happen to them to make them, you know, to build them. Sure. But the problem is they should have done that in the first season. The first season should have been all of that. So they didn't do that. They missed the boat on several, just plotline in general pacing. Pacing was a big deal because you just want to fall asleep in half these

episodes. I can honestly say that fear, I almost fell asleep. After the beginning and you're on the boat for a while. I'm trying to think when it was. There was a, there was one point, I felt myself falling asleep during the episode and I was like, oh my gosh, what am I doing? So fall asleep and Okay, I understand if you fall asleep in Wuthering Heights or something like that, you know what I mean, or little women. But a zombie apocalypse film or show? That should not. Come on, man. I know.

Now, I also think that they could do other things as well. Like, no, I already mentioned that one. So basically, you just need to spend a whole heck of a lot more time on your character development. That's the biggest thing. And don't write them so bland or so basic. Like the lonely girl. I'm not sure what they're thinking. I mean, I know they're trying to be,

I get that we wanted to be separate from Walking Dead. Well, okay, fine. But you're not. And being separate from the Walking Dead doesn't mean you have to be boring. Right. Well, yeah. And stick to what made it an interesting idea, which is having it in,

a built-up society inside a massive city. That is what interesting and what's... That's the pool that makes people want... Because we already get from the other angle, Rick and his group trying to survive out in the wilderness and how like... Right. Yeah, and how these people are like going out

and establishing their own communities out from nothing. You know what I mean? We have that. What we want to see is how people survive in like an L.A. or a New York during all this. Now, do they... Does it go back to like, is it kind of like gangs in New York? You know, like Scorsesee-style?

Right. But they're making their own gangs. like devolves into something like that, that would be interesting. I would watch that. And you know, Walking Dead actually hit on that. Remember, like, when they went to Atlanta looking for the CDC? Yeah. And they had, like, those different...

The other group in the hospital and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think they originated from, like, a street gang, too, if I remember correctly. That was, like, right after they met Glenn, right around there. See, that, if they go in that direction, that is interesting to me. I'll watch that. But now it's like they want to make this second group doing exactly the same thing that Rook and the gang are doing.

It just seems like that's the way it's going. Unless you take them off the boats and off this like Pirates of the Caribbean Disney ride and you put them back into like San Diego and that's another big city. But in my opinion, you have to get back to L.A. Somehow you have to ride it into where they go back to L.A. And they try and, you know, I want to see how they try and survive and how a society tries to rebuild itself within a big city. I am in love with the idea that the only reason they invented this show so that could be a Disney ride. Pirates of the Caribbean. That's what it is.

I mean, seriously, when I saw that boat overturned. The all new fear, the Walking Dead Ride at Disney. That's exactly what it is. Oh, man, AMC, you have let me down. You have. All right, so, after week one, man, oh, man, oh man. I got to tell you, it was very, very disheartening. It was.

It's going to be painful. They better pick up the pace. I think that they can I think if their writers get their butts in gear and they start writing more complex plots and get their butts back into the city it'll get more interesting but you have to do some serious work on

you have to devote entire episodes to your characters so it's going to take a while it's going to take the entire season for us to get to like these people and it's going to take some very careful writing for them to do like Carol air quoted Carol type episodes or Morgan type episodes

to where we can start giving a crap about these people. Right. But, so you're going to have to do that, but you're going to have to get them back into the city somehow. Now, I mean, please, guys, if you're listening to this, share this with AMC and hashtag AMC on this, because this is our job. We're not here to bash them. We want this so badly to be good. We want it so badly to be good. No question. No question we do. There's no time to fill without the regular Walking Dead. We have until October. So, I mean, if they- And I don't even think that's been announced yet, has it? A hundred percent.

Dude, don't mess with my emotions. I was really counting on October. Check back next week on our talking fear, but I'm under the impression that while we believe that it's going to be October, and it probably will be, that has not been officially announced yet. So, that's scary. So, so. You're leaving us with that cliffhanger.

It's like the season finale. I'm just saying that it could be, it could be longer than October. Oh, dear Lord, make that not so. Wow. Make that not so. I can't have that. I can't have that. All right.

Talking fear on the blaze.com slash radio. Jason Butchell, Jeff Fisher. Aaron Hernandez will join us next week whenever he decides to join us and wants to do something else with his time. have a job or something. Isn't this a job? Yeah. That's what I thought.

Come on.