Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - Jeffy's Corner: Talking Fear 2 - 10

Episode Date: September 6, 2016

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This is the Blaze Radio on demand. All right, welcome to it. Talking Fear. Fear, the Walking Dead, Season 2, Episode 10. With myself, Jeff Fisher, Brad Staggs, and Jason Butchrell. Man, I'll tell you what, this episode has got, we've got to definitely recap and talk about it. But before then, I mean, I can't start anything talking about any Walking Dead without actually hearing the music. It gets me in the mood.

All right. It's almost as catchy as the theme song to fear. It's what? It's almost as catchy. If I just could remember the first note to hear. To fear the walking song. Pretty close. Really close.

This week I think was, something like that. So when we last left, episode nine, we found out that the dock, which we meant to talk about last week and didn't get to it but the doc has got a bite

that he claims to have been from the Walker right he still didn't turn him yeah that's a healthy check of flesh actually yeah it was huge and actually he didn't he didn't even he didn't make a claim one way or the other on camera to it like we didn't hear him

say anything about it that was just that lady mentioning it oh right right and then like you just see it so I'm curious if this has any kind of implicate like this that's potentially a huge plot line that could affect the entire world. He might simply be a carrier. He may not, yeah, he may be infected.

Or he knows how to treat it. Right. Yeah, he may have a secret. I don't know. I don't know. I really don't. I mean, but that's huge. That's like the creator Robert Kirkman.

It is Robert Kirkman, right? Kirkman. So he must have approved that. We call him Bob. We've come Bob. We have your friends with him, old Bobby. Oh, Bobby Kirkman must have approved this, right? He must have because that's huge.

That's his, I mean, this is his deal. So if he approved it, that means that there is something, I don't know, maybe we'll see this later in the walking dead. There's a chance they snuck it past him. There is a chance. There is a chance. I mean, you know. There's a chance because there is a chance that perhaps Bobby is just like, I don't want to know. Right.

And he may have been watching it last weekend. Whoa. Who snuck that into the script? And then there were some heads rolling. I'm not buying that. I actually think that this will, I think we'll see this later on down the line over with Rick and the gang. I think. Like they'll either hear about someone that is either a carrier or they know how to treat it.

But either this guy will be directly involved or you'll just hear about a similar situation. And that will be the key maybe to. Yeah, well, we've traveled quite a way. Now, looking at it that way, before we get to episode 10 here, we've traveled quite a ways down the road past where we are at in fear in the regular Walking Dead. Right. So, yeah, I guess you're right. It would be about take about that long for people to travel from Mexico maybe to finally reach the East Coast. Right?

Because we've had, What's His Face came from Dallas. She, right, and came across and hooked up with them. But how can you put the cure to this whole thing in fear and not in the walking jet? I mean, that would be. See, yeah, I'm an agreement. And actually, it might be good story, just to develop the story and get people interested in more, you know, into it more. if they tie the storylines a little bit more. All seven people who are watching.

Right. I know. Plus, you know, it could be a lie. This girl is saying that, and this could be his story that he's put together to rule his cult. I mean, following the city, whatever his church is. Do you want me to call Bobby and ask him? Yeah, would you? I'll do it right afterwards.

Would you see if it's an actual lie? I'll find out. So this episode, we have Saturday. Sad sack Travis and son. Raising us. We find out that they're wandering around, and we find out exactly kind of what happened at the hotel a little bit. Yeah.

With the starting of the wedding. I love that. I did too. And you thought that was reminiscent of the Walking Dead. Yeah. Well, they do little, like now they're starting to, you know, do those little things where they use flashbacks or whatever at the beginning. Then they go from the flashback to an isolated character and just start developing, you know,

little by little on one isolated character. So they're using those same techniques, which I'm all about. These past two episodes have been my favorite of the entire series. So wait, wait. So when they started this show, they were doing something completely different. And then they thought, wait a minute, let's take our really high-rated show over here and copy some of that stuff on this and see if it works. Genius.

Genius. Smart ones. Let's not forget that the coolest scene so far was the wedding scene. and then finding out in this episode that the two people that were part of this wedding scene were now combative against each other in the hotel. And yet those two people are not part of the original cast of fear. Okay. And those are the people that we like.

So we've created a couple new characters, hopefully that will last, that we can learn to like and hate. That mom. Because it ain't working with the others. That mom is famous. She's been in a lot of stuff, like I think Desperate Housewives and something else. She's been in a lot of stuff. So she kind of seems like she's going to be a character that hangs around for a while.

Good. Yeah. At least two episodes. She's making scale. Good. So we've got the, you know, we've got, as long as the power is still on, and we've still got water at the hotel, it's probably a good move to maybe round up and herd some of the walkers and some of the other people that were staying at the hotel. And let's get them taken care of.

I thought that was really interesting. I really did. I did too. They had no idea what had been going on outside the hood. They basically, all of that entire group, both those little factions. Been in the hotel. The entire time. And the only thing they knew about was the struggle between the two of them.

That's all they knew about. It was a little microcosm of the outside world. Right, right. Exactly. Yeah. And I thought about you saying that you had been there, stayed at that complex before. It's a nice hotel. Because there has to be all kinds of underground stuff, right?

between the two towers and the original building. That I don't know about, but you would think so, probably. When you were there, the dead bodies weren't by the pool, were there? Yeah, they cleaned those off specifically, yeah. They don't want to ruin the buffet. I was going to say, yeah, it's not do much for your appetite, staring at brains. And then what was Felicia? Did you guys not think that every time they showed Felicia doing her thing,

that she was like John McLean and diehard? Like, she's in the Nagatomi Tower or whatever, you know, and like she's all tired of hair. If she was barefoot and a wife beat her, I'd be like, oh, dude. Come out to the coast. She likes that. So, wait, they took some of the plot devices from the Walking Dead. Then they took a hit movie.

Yes. Genius. They're finally, Bobby, I'm calling Bobby. I'm find out what's up. Felicia is now John McLean to me. Totally. Okay. Now, here's the thing, though, when she was making the, you know, the stick figure,

whatever they were on that, she scratched. him into the door. Wasn't it one, two, three, four, five with the, but she was doing. That's true, yeah. What was she doing? Was each one of those one body? That was common core. That's the common core, how to count.

He would just go out in California. Yeah. It used to be pretty basic where you would put four lines and number five would close it off. Yeah, common core, you put them in between. They were kind of a dance move in their jazz hands, I think. Don't play stupid. You know what it is.

Do I? Do I? I don't have to play stupid. All right. So, Chris, going back to Chris, because I think there's another connection here, because he obviously, we're talking about it earlier, he's psycho. Oh, yeah. He's gone.

He's a wack-d-down. He and Sad Sack are out traversing the roads. Yeah, with the possible terminus connection. Those guys are weird. They are weird. Yeah, they're just out killing. But what if Chris ends up being? their leader. I think that's what's going to happen.

He's the one guy that's kind of their leader is going to piss Chris off and he's just going to kill him. So I hope, I'm hoping. See, here's another idea. I'm kind of starting to like Chris because he's just turning into a psycho. And I'm kind of

like, and I'm trying to find, grasp onto a character that I like, that I don't want to die. And it's rare. It's rare because all of them I don't, I care very little about. Right. Very little about. And so, hopefully they make Chris, you know, tournament, let him be a psycho, let him rule. See, I'm going to have to disagree with you there. I hate that punk. I think he is so far gone right now that I, I personally think they're not,

I mean, so when they had him and his dad when Travis, they were traveling together, they were doing a lot of, you know, he was teaching how to drive for the first time. It was, you know, kind of heartwarming. He should have popped right in. They're all joking around. You knew it was going to, And even if he was ready to have Travis go, why did you do that? Right. And then they were camping together. You know, they were starting to bond. But then, so I really had no idea what direction they were taking that in until he met up with this group.

And then we see, like the very final scene when he caps that old dude with, you know, that guy defending his home. And he had that smirk on his face. I'm like, this guy's gone. And Travis is going to have the, he's going to have two options. Either I'm going to have to kill this guy. I'm going to have to put down this dog myself, or I'm going to have to turn him loose and let him go off in a rampage on people. That's Rick, too.

That's Rick gets the same look in his eye when he has to. I know, and that's why I'm thinking that it's going to come down to perhaps. Rick wouldn't take a little kid hostage. He would not do that. No, he's talking about Chris as being, oh, at the beginning. Yeah. I just think this kid's way beyond that. Like, Rick does things because the world demands it from him to survive.

Rick was already an adult when this happened. Right, but Rick was not crazy besides the fact when he's seeing his wife as a ghost. But Rick is not... Except those times when he's crazy. He's not crazy except when he gets crazy. Right. But what I'm saying is Chris is actually psychotic now. I think he's completely lost his mind.

I think it happened after he saw his mom die. I think now he's just crazy. I can foresee an episode soon where one of the guys, one of the new crew that has come on board, is about to kill Travis and Chris kills him. Maybe. And then realizes that he's going to, and then he kills Travis. And then that's it. He finally, thank God, we get rid of him.

Travis has potential. Whatever it takes. I actually like Travis. What? He's McGiver, man. He's all hot wiring cars and rigging stuff up. And, you know, he's the guy that he's the smart guy that can get stuff done. And he's like Eugene.

He's like the Eugene of the group. He doesn't have as good as a personality as Eugene, but he can be the Eugene of the group. He very well could be. And you've talked about that before. I mean, he fixed the boat. He had all that knowledge for that. Yes, I'll give you that. The character they're setting up.

This is where part of the fear, Walking Dead continuity comes in that really kind of frustrated me this week. That made me think, come on, guys. Maybe it's fantastic. We know you're losing lower. We know you're dropping down in ratings. And we know you don't care about this show as much. And you're trying to make us believe that you do. But when he stole the car, before Chris went and stole from the new characters,

and they came across that car and he had his crowbar and he breaks the window to get in the car, perhaps he could have, I don't know, broken the window and put his hand inside the door to open it instead of just opening the door. I mean, he broke the wind. If you look at that scene, he breaks the window and then just opens the door. I didn't even know that. Come on now. How you didn't notice that?

That is so. Come on now. That's no one. That's no one caring on the set. How can all of those people miss that? Because they don't care about them either. Oh my God. Dear, Sad Sack is.

Did he just do that? Lunch is in five minutes anyway. Let's just keep rolling. Just keep rolling. Don't cut. We have to cut the whole thing again. Now we're nitpicking. Oh, gosh.

Okay, I know that. I got it. I got it. I know we're Nickpicking. And I want to like it so bad. I do. I want to like it so bad. so bad.

Yeah. Oh, okay. The tie-in, because we were discussing a little while ago, when does Chris call, or I don't guess he's going to call, when does he refer to? When does he send smoke signals? To his Uncle Negan. I hope they're not going that route. Or he finds a picture in his wallet of his dead mother with his Uncle Negan.

Yeah. Oh, I like that. Yes, that'll be how they have to do it. Yeah. It'll be a picture. It'll be who's this. A picture in his wallet of, oh, that's Bob and her brother, Uncle Negan. They're in D.C.

They're on the East Coast, yeah. Why it take them forever to get there? The only reason I hope that they don't go that route is I hope they don't make that hardcore of a connection between characters in both series. Why? I just don't. I mean, it just seems cheesy that, oh, here's this group and they're related to this group somehow. If the ratings keep going down, they're going to have to grab a

onto the coattails of Walking Dead even more. I think if they combine plot lines a little bit, that makes one, so as you find out, they give a hint in it in fear, then all of a sudden they go into the Walking Dead and you get another hint of the same plotline, it makes me want to continue it to another series. You know what I'm saying? Without me worrying about the connections between the characters, just as long as they release little bits of information on the plot lines in both shows. You see what I'm saying?

Give us a little here. They explain it more in Walking Dead. they leave it a certain way and they explain it more back in fear. That makes me want to watch fear. He's being way too cerebral. I mean, I get it. This is my candy. That would bring more of the audience from Walking Dead because,

ooh, I can't wait to see them explain this further. And then that makes you want to watch fear. That would give the show more money, and that would in turn make it be better. But you do have to make the show better for, I mean, if you give people that free taste, that here, watch this. If the show's not good, they're not going to stick around. Right.

Unless they're stupid, like a... That leads me to my point of I think they're making the right strides to. That's like when they use the same, like they're not being very... They didn't, they did it too late. I mean, or maybe not too late, but they did it later than they should have. That's why we don't care about the characters. Right, to make us care for the characters. They're only just now isolating and explaining all the characters and what makes them tick.

Only just now. What kind of a colossal screw-up is that? Yeah, big time. If they would have done these techniques from the beginning, I'd be into it right now. Absolutely. And that's the struggle, right? Because they threw us into the show thinking they'll just like the characters. Yeah. No?

They couldn't possibly have thought that. There was nothing to like about them. I agree. So they couldn't have just said, oh, they'll like. You asked if it was casting. I don't think it was casting because I like a lot of the actors they have in it. Like Madison's always been a good. With Travis.

He's a good actor? You don't like him? I've liked him in other stuff. I have to. And then a few other movies. I have to. I don't guess I've seen him in any. I don't necessarily like his character in this series.

But we have to remember also. And, you know, we talked about it in earlier podcasts, is that, you know, Madison and Travis both were teachers in California. And that's a long road to hoe right there. It explains a lot. Yeah. Yeah. But you'd think where we're at in the show now, I mean, it's been long enough, right? It's been how long?

A month? Months and a half. Feels like a year. Maybe. Wow. You mean the second part of this season? Well, just how long are we are from the break out? Oh.

Wow, I guess you're probably right. Yeah. It really hasn't been. See, isn't that amazing? We've talked about this before, but the progress that the characters have made on the West Coast is just light years ahead of everything else that's going on, like in Rick's territory. Yeah, it was a long. They're communal already.

That's what it was strange to me. they're already Nick and his girl are already stabbing walkers to put the makeup goo on to walk among them like it's nothing. Yeah. Come on now. I mean, Walking Dead, the original Walking Dead made it

made it appear an uglier process. They am going way, way back. They again, they missed the opportunity to show the breakdown of society. Yeah. Maybe that's coming in fear.

the fear the walking dead. So I would say that that was, that was 1A, their biggest screw-up, 1B was not developing out the characters. Because the whole reason we wanted to watch this was to watch the breakdown of a large metropolis city. That was the whole point, and they just screwed it up. But on a positive note, they may be going, now, they may be going down the right road.

But the only thing is, before you hit that dial on the theme song. I was trying to end up a positive one. I was trying to get there for you. But listen, they're basically having to they're just copying the other show. So the reason we wanted to watch it was to see the breakdown of society in a big city. Now they're separating from the city.

Unless they all of a sudden inject them back into the city. Like if they, maybe let's say okay, AMC, if you really want to change this around, continue to develop these characters, then put them back into L.A. I'll dig that. Because that's what I wanted to see. But they won't though, right? Because they already said those guys were trying to get back to San Diego and Sad Satsack and Chris were saying that

San Diego's gone. And do you know how expensive it is to shoot in L.A. No, I do. It's really expensive. Ridiculous. No, Brad. How expensive is it? It's a lot.

It's a lot of money. They charge a lot of money. They do? A lot. In L.A. In L.A. Which is why you had presumed that they actually went to Mexico. Well.

But I'd like to point out that a lot of things on television... They're not in L.A. Aren't real? They are shooting in Mexico. So we know they are, actually. Talking fear, thanks for listening. Positive note. Appreciate it.

You know we're going to watch episode 11. You know we are. We'll be here for you.