Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - Jeffy's Corner: Talking Fear 2 - 11

Episode Date: September 12, 2016

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This is the Blaze Radio on demand. Welcome to it. Talking Fear. Fear, the Walking Dead. Season 2, episode 11, I don't know. I'm torn between two lovers as this episode wrapped it up. I feel like a fool.

Joining me is Brad Staggs and Jason Butchrell for our weekly talking fear. I have a feeling. I have a feeling that Mr. Butchral really liked it. But before we get started, we have to play a theme song, right? And it can't be years theme song. They don't really have one. It's got to be the real theme song.

What a good sound effect. All right. Let's knock it out. I have questions. And I actually, I share your affinity for this one. You like this one? And I don't know why. It's...

Maybe it's because it was action. There was finally some action. There was finally something. But I have questions. I have some questions too. Now, let's just kind of recap the episode and then we'll go about our opinions about the show. They did it again.

First seen out. Flashback. Yes, they had the flashback, which was very good. I enjoyed, I kind of enjoyed the flashback. It was nice to be without Travis and Winyy Boy. For an episode, we didn't see any of them during the episode. In previous storywriting, they would have just left it to your imagination

on what happened to Madison and what's his face. Strand. Right. Now they're actually providing that, you know, that little bit of extra explanation and development. And we know that she didn't get bitten. She was just suffering from a hangover. Yep. Because we had those questions.

Mm-hmm. So, she wasn't bitten. Anyway, so I'm proud of them. I think they're obviously, like I've said before, we're listening to our podcast. So this is good news. I think so too. They're still sticking a little bit to the old Walking Dead playlist. A little too much. Should we mention our theory about characters?

About the fact that the Walking Dead, Rick Grimes, had the advantage of being alive 10 years before the show. Essentially. Because Robert Kirkman was writing the comics 10 years before. So he had a chance and it's possible that Rick Grimes was based on a real person that Bob Kirkman knows or new or whatever. With this show, we're seeing that, I mean, it could be that the comic books sucked as bad as fear the first few episodes for the first few issues.

Nah. I don't know, maybe. I'm just throwing them up there, you're shooting it out if you want to. But with these characters, we're seeing their birth. Yeah. Yeah. And that's been part of the problem, right? I mean, their birth, and we didn't get an opportunity.

The birth has happened pretty slow. Childbirth is ugly. I catch your drift, though, because Walking Dead unfairly had awesome canon material. They just stick to that. They could have went word for word, and it would have been awesome. Which they haven't really done. I mean, they've stuck to this basic storyline premise. So you can't go wrong there.

Fear has every route to go wrong, a very limited amount to actually be successful. So that's why it's harder. If it weren't for the Walking Dead. Would fear have made it this far? I don't know. That's a good... I thought about that a couple weeks ago about if they were on their own,

would they have made it? I don't know. I mean, Walking Dead, it took a while for Walking Dead to really take off, too. It took, you know, AMC believed in it. So they left it on, and then that deal with Netflix retroed them through the roof. As soon as they put the first two or three seasons up,

that's how it got me. That's how it got me. It made huge. That's how it got me. Yeah. Yes. Right. I mean, my wife, just to go back to a quick Walking Dead story,

but I remember my wife saying, you know, you might want to watch that. And I was like, ah, you know, whatever. You know, she usually, she has good taste. She knows what I would like, what I wouldn't, you know. And so I remember one weekend sitting there going, all right, well, I'll check it out. And then, you know, the weekend was over, and I watched every episode. Sucked you right in. Yeah.

But we should recap the episode. Yeah. We haven't done that. Well, I was glad to get back to this Rosarito Beach Hotel, which we identified as the setting for this. Which, again, I recognize every single part of where they're filming this. It's kind of amazing. I'm actually really surprised that they got the access without all the tourists and stuff, because this is a heavy tourist spot. But it looks like it's completely abandoned.

So that's kudos to AMC. I don't know if the hotel was doing renovations, so they cleared out everyone that was there. That was my first because I saw the scaffolding. that one shot and I wonder if maybe they just got them during a renovation. Yeah. That had to have been it. Yeah, or they were going to do renovation and then AMC said, you know, we'd like to

shoot here and they said, well, we'd like you to pay for our renovation. That's going to happen. Yeah, exactly. But it starts off with Madison and Strand and they do the flashback and they show how they, you know, got... Escape from the bar room of walkers.

Yeah. Which brings me to one of my first questions but I'm just going to throw it in here. He took notes. I did take notes in order, but actually I think this first one may be out of order. But Madison, when she hears Alicia on the other side of the door, goes over, grabs the fire extinguisher. First, she tries the door knob. He turns the doorknob, but you see the deadbolt.

So the deadbolt's got it locked. So what does she do? She just beats down the door handle. She beats the door handle off. Which technically wouldn't have done squat. Thank you. So we have another Daniel. Yeah, we have another model.

Yeah, with the car. That's great. They really might want to give up on the locked handles. They need some continuity on that. They definitely need some continuity on that. But I just happened to notice. I was like, wait a minute, that's the dead boat. She's going to beat the crack.

Okay. There it is. Yep. Perfect. Yeah. So anyway, beyond that. Beyond that. This is where we find out that this hotel is basically like, it's basically like the prison from

Walking Dead. It's something that they see as this could sustain us for a very long amount of time. It could provide us with security. And this chick that was with, I always forget, his, her name, the daughter, Madison's daughter. No, it's not Ophelia. Oh, Madison's daughter, Alicia. Alicia.

Oh, and that was my other question, by the way. What? Why do you take two characters, two females, Ophelia and Alicia? And that's bound. Why wasn't one Betty? Yeah, that's true. Maybe that's when they got rid of Ophelia, Alicia. It just, you've got two names that are very similar.

Something I still understand is Ophelia is just gone. She's disappeared. They didn't even really write a good explanation for that. She's just gone. every floor and she wasn't any part of that. So we're assuming that she was the one that took the truck, right? Strand is giving her the out of the truck. Now, is it possible that she didn't believe that her father was dead and she's going to show back up with dad?

They never hinted to that, though. She's going to show back up. She must. I mean, but that's just, see, that's just one of the things that for all the praise I've been getting in the show lately. They didn't explain that. No, they did not. But that's called a cliffhanger. You don't know.

But again, you have to care about the character. Yeah, right. It's like Rick disappearing. You care. Where's Rick? Right. Do you die? But Ophelia, you're like, she stole my damn truck.

Yeah, I don't get that. But I was pleasantly surprised with, I was like, okay, this is me cool. But again, I'm surprised, but this is also the downfalls that they're sticking too closely to the Walking Dead. You know, it's Big Brothers storylines is this is basically the prison from the Walking Dead. Now, you're not leading us in any new directions. This is the same exact thing. Now, maybe I'm being too critical on it. What else are you going to do in a zombie apocalypse?

You're going to look for a fortress to survive. Right. But still, that's interesting to me. So I was hooked from the get-go on this. How are they going to do this? Well, and here's how they diverged from the walking dead. Do you remember in the show, when they first went, discovered that by covering themselves with zombie guts?

Yeah. But do you remember they had to put, but they, I mean, they had intestines on them. They were covered head to toe. Yeah. With the raincoats. Now, all they do is a little on the face. Like after shave.

Yeah. They barely slap any on them. So why in the hell did our main beloved characters have to wear intestines and raincoats and be covered in it? Because they're stupid? Apparently so. When all they really had to do was a little war pain. Just wipe a little bit on the face and they're good. Yeah.

They're making the fear characters a lot more smarter. They learn faster. Everything comes to them a lot cooker. Except our group, still, I don't think, except for Alicia really knows to kill them in the head. Right? I mean, I- And Nick and Chris. She discovered that.

At our group at the hotel, I don't know that they, I mean, I know that they did the, the quarry move. Well, you heard them all up and walked them down the dock to kill them. That was a core. That was such a cool scene. I was on to that. which was cool how they did that I'll give you that but they still

weren't sure early on that they would kill them in the head that got rid of them right she would be stabbing them I don't know what was the moment somebody who wasn't it Nick that figured out you had to get him in the head who was that early on I think yeah was it Nick or Chris Chris no Chris hasn't figured out anything I was figuring out of kill people

you know again let me also it's also just thinking about how they're stealing plot lines. Even though I loved how they hurted all of the walkers down onto the beach, down to the water, again, that was still a flashback from what two seasons ago Walking Dead, or was it last season, when remember all the zombies that were at that quarry or whatever? Yeah, that's what I called. That's why I said the quarry.

Oh, you just said that. Okay, yeah. So again, same thing. I zoned out, I guess. There's a volume control. But still. Sometimes Jeffie says things that makes sense. Sometimes.

That's why I was typically. I wasn't paying attention. Yeah. Thank you. I'm not going to beat up on my own show. I'll pull the plug on this thing faster. Wait, my mic doesn't work. But remember the Walking Dead during that scene, there was so much more drama involved.

It was just so much more. It was so much more built up. I kept waiting for someone. I kept waiting for, you know, someone to actually show up and start shooting or a horn honking or something. So it would be like the Walking Dead. But they actually followed through with this and got it done right. And I never doubted it. was going to work. You know what I mean? It wasn't going to work. I was just like, okay,

yeah, this is what's going to happen. I was on the edge of my seat during the walking dead in that quarry scene. I know. Edge of my seat. But on this one, I was like, okay, this is cool, but I don't doubt it's not going to be successful. What if Madison had tripped? I was, that's what I was hoping. I was going. I was going at least trip and fall and, you know, get eaten, which would have stopped the herd. Yeah. Would have clogged up the herd a little bit. They would have had to improvise a little bit there. But they didn't. They just kept around going, which was, you know, that's good. And I kept thinking, maybe this is the military in me, but how coordinated the different groups have to be.

And they kind of mentioned haphazardly during one point. So, oh, where's Alicia? She should be here by now. And I was like, oh, crap. If she's just a smidge of, you know, off here in her timing, she's going to get eaten, you know, because she's going to wind up in the middle of them. But then they just kind of like, oh, there she is. And then it went on.

I was like, oh, come on, man. All right, since we're nitpicking, this is the part that when they pull Madison, she, Madison jumps in the water, they pull her into the boat. And then they're sitting there. They're just, he doesn't like hit it. He didn't gun it and get the hell out of the way. Right, because we learned from our trip in the yacht that, I mean, they're still getting you in the water. Yeah.

Yeah. But they just sat there. They were like, oh, we're free. That was close. I mean, yeah. And I mean, they're falling in 10 feet away. And correct me if I'm wrong. She saw the riptide sign.

So I was like, she's assuming that it's going to take them back out. But wouldn't they eventually just come right back in? That was like the next morning when the tide goes back in or out or whatever. Jason, Jason. They'll just come back in. Cut his mic. Shut up. They will. The very next morning, they'll be back.

Sounds like you're going to have this hurry. That's pretty much the way tide works, right? Hello, would you stop talking about episode 12 before we get there? I wonder if that is, though, the next couple of episodes. Like, oh, crap, we didn't think that went all the way through. We're going to have a 300 zombie herd walking straight up under the beach. I get on the beach and they start coming back up. I kind of hope they do.

actually good. That would be a great scene. Okay, another one of my question. It'd be a good scene for a fat guy Walker, too, because you'd be bloated coming out of the there you go. There's your, there's your chance. That's what I'm saying. We could put one in a well, and then as they're pulling him out of the well, you split. No, shoot, that's already been dead. What did Nick say when they were making the pills? So he makes that statement, and he said something about, he said something muddled. Something about being a junkie or something like that?

No, you're a pharmacist. this, let's do this. But then he, after he was tired and I think he made another statement, I should have recorded that part because he said something that I didn't understand. I was like, and I listened to it three or four times. So you guys didn't have any problem understanding any of that? I was trying to think that I care what he was saying. No.

That was, that's, I, I thought it was interesting that he was doing his old junkie science. You know what I mean to? I love it. I love the junkie science. Did that come right after the Walker scene, where they? they flew fell into the ocean or was that before that I can't remember four I think so they went back and forth a couple times and they did and if you remember correctly this is a part of this episode that threw me I hope we get the flashback because what that's kind of been their story you know we didn't know how Madison and Strand got out of the bar with the

walkers we know we're all happy and proud that he's going to go give them the pills and you know make sure that everything's okay and the next thing he's back home getting a new house and you know, and making out with the girl because he did such a great job. I'd like to see that exchange with the drug glords? Yeah, me too. Yeah. Okay, I'm starting to get really concerned or not concerned, just intrigued on whether they're just using Nick because they don't understand how he can walk with walkers and survive. I'm wondering if they're just manipulating him.

But she's doing that with him. Yeah. They both had. Did she have the Walker Flage on? He had war paint on. So I don't, but they didn't do that before Nick. Right? No. Only after Nick.

Didn't she see them? I think she did that. She was the one that, she was with the other two guys on top of the hill watching Nick walk with the herd down the street. So, yeah. But she seemed pretty comfortable an episode or so ago when they came out of the bus to the walker yard. Right. You know, and stabbed the one up against the wall and gutted them just for the blood. It's true.

She stabbed him up against the wall and just blooded him. That was, by the way, the Madison and Strand scene. Yeah, the seepage. Yes. Yeah. The reason I bring that up is because he was like, you know, he told me you're always testing me or you're testing me or you're always testing or something like that. Right. And she didn't like give in until that moment.

So I was like, so she's either actually feeling it just because he said that or there is something going on, like some kind of manipulation, especially with the bite on him and everything. That's kind of weird. They tried to... I didn't feel anything. His story on that, too, I don't know that I buy all that. His story on the bite. Did it not seem a little weird that Nick reached out and he touched it? And they let him?

Yes. I thought that one was an intimate, weird thing to do. Yes. Okay. So that story, he actually gave more into that story now. Yes, he did. So he was going after this kid that took drugs or whatever. I immediately thought bath salts.

Remember that? Remember the story on that? Because he started acting like a walker, this kid. Yep. And so anyway, so he runs in to save that guy. He gets bit. Did he actually get bit by that kid that wasn't a zombie? I think so. I think that's the first thing that popped into my head.

So I was like, if he bit him, but then they use that to manipulate everybody else afterwards. That might have been what happened. I mean, that's kind of the gist I got. Okay, so it's either that or this guy has some kind of weird DNA mystical thing going on. It's probably the most obvious answer. Yeah, the kid who wasn't a walker. Pick that up, too. Because the crowd didn't know that the kid who was acting like a walker wasn't a walker.

Exactly. That's it. Exactly. So, yes, the pharmacist is manipulating the people. He believes, he knows that he didn't get bit by infected. Yeah. Aha. Right.

I just know. And his girlfriend knows this. Luciana knows this. Right. So she's in with this pharmacy guy and they're manipulating Nick. Well, now they're controlling the masses. Yeah, I mean, they're controlling the neighborhood. Which is what we do at the blaze every day.

I mean, that's what they're doing. They have, what is it, Colonia or whatever they call it, right? And there's plotline city that they've got boarded up. And then that the drug lord doesn't know where it's at yet. Oh, yeah. So you can tell what's going to happen to this community. They've already pissed off this group. Now they're going to find out that they screwed them.

They're going to find out. So this community is going by. Well, even if they don't find out they screwed them, they're going to want more drugs. Yeah. Which, again, is a plotline borrowed from the other show? Yeah. Well, you know, to Jason's point,

I mean, there are only so many plot lines when the world comes to an end, right? I mean, everybody's pretty much looking for the same stuff. Plot lines are only limited by your imagination. Thank you, Mr. Teller. Which, you know, before I got here, Oh, my gosh. No, Brad, tell us.

Wait, Brad Stags, tell us. You can see what they're, but you can see what they're setting up here. This drug, this cartel is going to come after this little group, and they're going to get decimated. And it seems obvious where they're going to have to run home to. Nick's going to run home to Mommy, and he's going to bring his manipulative little girlfriend with him. Who's hot, by the way, too? I just want to let him. She's got big ears.

I'll go ahead and let you write your own jokes with that but go ahead because I've already written several with your big ear comments on the girlfriend but it's okay reminds me of an old joke oh wow we're out of time Nick knows where the hotel is though

was he at the hotel? No no no no no he doesn't know they've got to go on the run though right so I mean it's inevitable that I mean it's possible more than possible that that's where they run two. Right. That's what I think. Because they're going to have to link him up with Madison somehow. That's the only way I can think of how it's going to happen. Knowing that their possibility of boats in the past, he's going to run to the water. Either Madison's group is going to go down and they're going to lose

that hotel, or it's going to be vice versa with Nick's group. I think the hotel stays longer. The hotel stays longer than Nick's group. I think so too, yeah. And it's just a more intriguing thing, I think, to witness them go to the stronghold. And then they're going to set up a huge, Then it's going to be Nick and his new friends in this hotel and then this cartel or cartels going after the hotel. The question is how does Travis and Chris link up with them later on? They die in a horrible car crash. Chris, I wouldn't mind dying in a horrible car crash. I know you like it.

Okay, wait a second now. The walking to Carl is essentially a serial killer. No, I love Carl. That's why I like Chris. I'm all for Chris. And Chris is the maniacal serial killer. You know Jason said you like him. I'm all for him.

You guys are comparing Carl and Chris? He just did. How dare you? He just did. Carl, no, I'm just saying. I did not. Carl is a little serial killer. How?

Oh, come on, Jason. Are you really going to let that slide that Carl's not a serial killer? What? Don't you remember the first kill in the forest at the prison when he popped the kid that didn't really need popping? I mean, that's all that Carl really lives for. He's trying to be good because his dad is making him. but if you set that boy free, he's doing some killing. Carl's got, no matter what, the difference is, Carl is actually in a, no,

he's actually, he's kind of like the rest of Rick's group where they're in a struggle, they're in a struggle between how dark do we go for, it's a constant struggle between light and dark. Which is what makes walking bad worth it, right. Exactly, but Chris is not. He's just, he's going dark. There's no struggle there. He's just going dark. Big difference between those two, in my opinion.

Okay. Carl is dark. That's what's so interesting about... He's pretending not to be dark. The struggle of the other walking dead members of being how dark do they go is actually there. Carl's struggle is how well he masked his serial killerness to the rest of them. I'm with Brad on that. Oh, my gosh.

I'm with Brad on that. No. That boy is a split second away from killing everybody and walking away. I can't think of a single person. I don't think off the top of my head who is not in that struggle. That's why Negan likes Carl, though. Yep. Negan is all over Carl.

It's not just the long hair. Exactly. It does gorgeous brown eyes. Oh, my goodness gracious. See, that goes too why the characters on Walking Dead are so much more interesting. There are these layers to the characters that we can actually argue over. I can't argue. about any of the characters that we have in fear right now.

I really can. Is there one character, one character in last night's episode that you, during the entire episode that you said, man, do I hope they don't die? No. Dang. Well, I will say I think that Nick has potential.

Okay, so, and Nick does. He's almost there, right? He's almost reached the, we got to keep, Nick. Yeah. Almost. Oh, and Alicia. I like Alicia now.

I hope Alicia doesn't get killed. She gets battle ready. Wow. Hey, I want my last comment to be, if I'm LGBTQ and whatever, I'm now pissed because Strand isn't gay. He's still gay. No, he's not. That's it for me. I think that's why he killed the guy's wife.

He likes him. Oh, he's moving in. Totally. Mike drop, Jeffie. Hey, this is talking fear. Blase.com slash radio. See you next week.