Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - Jeffy's Corner: Talking Fear 2 - 2

Episode Date: April 18, 2016

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You're listening to the Jeff Fisher Show. All right, welcome to it. Talking Fear. Talking, Walking Dead. Fear, the Walking Dead. Season 2, episode 2, they need to help a lot. They need help a lot. And one of the things they need to do is work on a theme song

because they don't have a good one, so they just stick with the real one instead. All right, talking fear. Jeff Fisher here, along with Jason Butchrill. Jason, season two, episode two. Yep. You were less than, please. Yeah, I'm still wiping the sleep from my eyes, I believe. Less than pleased with the episode.

I don't think it was as bad as you thought. Maybe I'm so jaded at this point that I'm just looking for the things that piss me off about it. That's possible. I will concede that. It's possible. But I don't know. I think you should kind of go first here because it sounds like you have a different opinion here. Look, I kind of like that one of the things that I'm trying to do is that we are jaded.

Right. We already know what happened or what is to happen. So we're learning some things now, though, that we didn't know, right? We learned that the bigger cities were knocked out from the government. Yep, yep. From the military. Yep. Which, I guess we kind of knew that, but we didn't ever, they never really talked about.

We saw a little bit example of that in Atlanta. Again, that's what this show was supposed to be about, was what happens to those large cities. And then you just give it a, you know, that's the face time you give to that whole plot line. Oh, yeah, those cities got knocked out. That's why we're watching this show, man, is to see that happen. The thing is we're getting there now, right? I mean, I feel like we're getting there. I don't know where we're going, but I guess we're getting there.

Well, we landed on Katrina Island. Yeah, Catalina Island reference. That's laughing at. To get away from who's ever supposed to be pursuing them. Okay. I think might actually be the person that he's trying to hook up with. Yeah, so that's an interesting point. You're talking about Strand and his CD dealings.

Yeah, that's an interesting point. I didn't even think about that. That's a very real possibility. But what happened to that storyline? They completely abandoned it. Yeah, they sure did. All of a sudden, you're right. I was expecting.

Some sort of battle. I was expected. Right with the kid. The guy that called was on the phone. Yep. It was on the radio with what your face. I was expecting this whole Jack Sparrow, Pirates of the Caribbean action going on, but nothing. They just completely abandoned it.

Yeah, we got none of that. That's true. That was kind of sad because I was expecting that. So instead what we got was this little. meaningless episode. This is the type of thing if it happened in The Walking Dead,

I would be kind of annoyed and I'd be on the verge of saying I want to punch this episode in the face, but this is the difference in the writers, okay, and that's my main issue right now is what the writers are doing

with this show. The writers would have come up with the plot line that we all would have been totally into. They would have written in some major character development in like the Carroll episode

or, you know, the Morgan episode, where we would have been completely, into it. So, but so is that what we got here? Okay, so I can see that, okay, you're looking for a filler episode. You didn't want to go straight into the main plot line of these next few episodes. We're still, look, this is season two of, of this series. And we're still, you know,

you talk about filler episodes. I think that we shouldn't be thinking filler episodes with this particular series right now. I completely agree. So why did we get a filler episode? You know, I think that, I think you're on the right track with the writing and the idea behind it, right? Because while this wasn't necessarily a filler episode, it was an episode that they tried to give us some character development, but it didn't seem to work. Yeah. Yeah. So what was the character development? I didn't, I didn't see anything except for Travis and Madison were just ridiculously stupid in this episode.

So just putting this in motion here. That was the plot line. So they see this, they're in the boat. I'm thinking they're going to go straight to, you know, the pirate action, but instead they see this light flickering on and off on this island. Once they decide that they're running from this boat that's faster, so they need to find a little hidey hole or something, yeah. And they find, he says we're going to go here, and she said,

they're a wildlife refuge. There could be people. Okay, whatever. Yeah. There was no way with, first of all, I was thinking that I didn't realize as, you know, they've got this whole city full of people that they're still hiding from on this island. Well, you wouldn't go there. Not at this time. Sorry.

No. You would have gone to the other one. Yeah. Anyway. Yeah. I mean, I think that was Catalan Island, by the way. I think they just called it Katrina. Okay, whatever.

Pretty sure. But yeah. But Catalan Islands is like crazy population. Right. There's tons of people there. And you get to see that. That was kind of a cool image that they showed the little carnival thing. How cool would that be actually, if you want this to be cool, that would have been cool.

Carnival of Walkers. Come on. That would have been really cool. That would have been dope. But these writers are too ridiculously stupid to write anything of any kind of substance or like what we want to see, which would be some cool imagery. Besides the fact of the very opening scene where you saw, you know, Malibu ablaze. That was cool. They had the opportunity to do that here.

They failed. You're right. It may have even been cool to get into the carnival and have the Carney guy still not a walker. Still doing their thing. They're just killing walkers. We're open. We're open for business. That would have been sick.

You're right. Right. Come on. But instead, they introduce us to what I was actually, I was intrigued by the family. I was too. I was annoyed that we weren't getting to the action of the pirates. Even though it was ridiculous as the plot line sounds, I wanted to see that action. But instead, they do their filler episode where we meet this family.

So the family was cool. Family was cool. They were like preppers, I guess. That's what this guy. was. It was George, I think, was his name. Yeah, it was like a prepper, like a survivalist. The thing that it irritated me with it, though, was the wife.

So the wife, they don't develop why she's so paranoid or, I mean, it looked like actually like a loving family. What was the reason behind her wanting this group to kidnap her kids, basically, from to dad? I think she just realized that it was, no, their plan was. that she was just realizing that it was hopeless and she was hoping that there was, you know, like every parent wants a better life for their children.

And she thought that jumping on a boat to nowhere was a better situation than what they were currently in. Right. And maybe it's knowledge of the rest of the world, but it doesn't get any better than that. You have a survivalist prepper guy. Right. At the time that they're pretty good.

I mean, even if we know what's, you know, even us knowing what's coming. Pretty good. the mainland, they're in a perfect position. They are set. Yeah. First of all, there's a limited amount of people there. Correct.

Which you can eventually fight off. Correct. Rick in the game probably could clear that dang island. A little out of time. About five or six hours. Yeah, I mean, even if you don't, just a little at a time, you go in and do a little searching, a little hunting on the island. The worst line, Travis, so they're setting up the fence line, right?

Don't even get me started on that because that really pissed me off. When he said, why are you giving up? I was like, what? What do you mean? Why are you giving up? He's like, what are you talking about? He's like, what are you talking about? I'm patching the fence. I'm not giving up.

See, it's little stuff like that that, where they write these main characters as being dumb. Well, it's not so dumb. I think they're trying to make the characters be the California. I don't want to get too political, but the California liberal, no weapons, no killing, everything's fine, which they were, to begin with. They were teachers, for Christ's sake. They were teachers in a school where there's, I mean, California schools, oh my gosh. I mean, you talk about, ah. So now that the son is like happy, he gets to kill some walkers, he's being productive, he's cool, and he's freaking out.

He's like, why are we killing? He's killing walkers. That's the way this doesn't want his son. He was, my son. Oh, shut. I kind of like how they're taking his character a little bit because he's starting to get into that survival mode and he's like all right this is just the waste that is at the end of the episode he was one of the ones that is coming along with Daniel saying uh because he saw at the end of

the episode he saw um the other kid have to kill his mother and you know he realized oh you know maybe killing my mother wasn't that bad that's what had to happen some mercy you know like Daniel told told the man don't worry someday he'll realize and she showed mercy yeah and that's it's starting to happen, right? But he also knows that, yeah, that was mercy, but these other people got to die too. Yeah. Dad hasn't hit that point yet.

Yeah, I don't know what to think about. Dad and mom are agonizing, no. And I don't know if that's part of an overall story arc or character arc that they're going to develop. Maybe they're going to show that they're just incredibly naive in the beginning and they'll slowly get hard later or something like that. But it's just hard for me because it's just not written well. It's not developed enough for me to even believe it.

And it boggled my mind how Madison was like, yeah, sure, I'll take your, so basically, if you haven't seen it yet, this. You haven't seen it yet, get over it. This family says, even though it looks like a great situation, they're on an island, they're in a survival home with the fence around it. It doesn't get any better in the zombie apocalypse, folks. Well, no kidding. It doesn't get any better. They have food, they have water, they have everything. They've already figured out that when the walkers wash up to shore at the fence line that they've built, they've got to clean them out.

They kill them. They have to do it in the head already. Yeah, they have a system. Yeah, they have a system to do it. I mean, it just does not get any better than that. But for some reason, Madison is like, okay, yeah, we'll take your kids. We don't know where we're going. We know we have no destination in sight.

We just heard that all these other cities are burning. They're blazing over. But sure, we'll take them out when the, you know, we'll take your two small children with us out on the sea with this, like, these crazy pirates coming after us. I don't get that. I don't get that. It just felt forced to me. And I was like, that's why I had, that was the biggest problem, I guess, with this episode is, okay, yeah, they did explore, you know, a few things that could have been shocking, like killing the mom and the daughter when she killed herself and then bit her mother. That was good.

It was good. It was good, but in my opinion, even still, it just wasn't dramatic enough. It was predictable. So the dad has a very fatherly reaction. He's like, what are you talking about? These people aren't taking my kids. I would have reacted the same exactly way. I would have as well.

So now I'm not thinking that our main characters are the good guys. I'm personally seeing them as the bad guys, and I'm annoyed. So now I'm getting more annoyed at this episode. I'm like, wait a minute, we are the bad guys here. As viewers, if we're supposed to watch this thinking, okay, we're with this group. I'm thinking we're the bad guys here. At least it would have been a way to have maybe a few of our people stay on the island. Yeah.

And then they have the boat take off, and then you could have had a couple of different directions to take it. Right. And they could have met up at the end. Or you see one of the boat. People wash up to the island so you think they're all dead, but they're not. Not that I'm helping write the episodes or not. And it was a perfect opportunity, too, to pick up an interesting character into the group. A couple of interesting characters.

The dad and the son. The son was a bad age. He was great. He was awesome. And the little boy is going to turn into the side. That's the new Carl could have been, right? I mean, I'm just saying that we could have had two separate. directions to take the show with the boat and the island.

Specifically, after we find out that, I guess, Sprint's still working? I guess, you know, maybe he's got a next telephone that there's still, nobody knows about anymore. What was he using? What was, uh... I guess it was a sat phone. I don't know. It looked an awful small to be a sat phone, but I guess it could be. Who the heck was he talking to?

I don't know. And I don't know that. And I was originally, I thought maybe it was the boat that was chasing them, right? But then I thought, no. The boat that was chasing them was Dingleberry that was talking to her. Yeah. It has something to do with Daniel goes into,

picks that lock, sees all that stuff in there. I was trying to see what all that stuff was, just a bunch of maps and stuff. It looked like maps with different notes on it. That's the only interesting plot line, I think, of this show is what's going on between Strand and Salazar and what Strand is into.

That's really the only interesting. And I still don't confuse at what it could be, Because he honestly thought it felt like he honestly thought he was going to San Diego. Mm-hmm. To meet up. And then we find out that that's gone. He mentioned Mexico? Is that right?

Yes, Daniel did. Daniel mentioned Mexico. Oh, what was that off of? Was that off the maps? One of the maps. Okay. So maybe some kind of cartel connection, maybe? I don't know.

Okay. Possible. Because he's, I mean, Strand has got to be into something illegal. It's possible. Sure. Well, right. And Daniel caught him in his lie about the boat, right? I mean, that could have been a cartel boat.

He could have been in a cartel house. I mean, all this stuff is screaming cartel to me. So, you know, I'm thinking drugs and very bad guys in Mexico. Okay, that's fine. I guess. Okay. Which is cool. I think that'll be a cool point of going to go into.

We shouldn't have left the island. No. At least some of us should have stayed there. I mean, that's a great storyline at the island. Yeah. I don't understand why they left to begin with. New people can come to the island all the time in the new world. Mm-hmm.

Right? They can clear the island I mean the island is I don't know It was a great storyline For the rest of this season on the island Rather than the boat Perfect and that goes into why I was just so perplexed

On why the mother There must have been a deeper There must have been more to the mom Wanting our characters to take Their two small children away from there But again The writers should have written that into her They should develop her more on that

That way I could have gotten into the story more. It would have been more tragic. I think that's what they tried to do with heroin boy finding the, I think he's going to Jonestown his family. Okay, well, so what? But even that's still weak. I mean, why would he? He's fighting to keep them alive.

Yeah. I mean, even if he did have drugs, maybe that was their last ditch effort. That's what I thought. That's what I thought. He had him stashed in his globe. That was the last ditch. We're not going to. That was like the cyanide cal.

Yeah, it's fine. Okay, then I'm not going to have my family die around me. I'm going to die with my family. That was his big deal. Right. Yeah. And speaking of, heroin boy is again looking for drugs. My eyes almost rolled out of the back of my head. Still, are you trying to make this guy not likable? I thought from the last episode, I was like, oh, they're trying to change him into like a medic. And he's working. And he's going to be the medic of the group. You know what I mean? And yeah, he'll be useful. Nope. They ran right. Right back to what makes him so unlikable. Right. Seriously, just die already, that character. Come on. I do not care.

I'm ready for him to go to, to be honest with you. Okay, so, episode two, season two, you know, I don't know about thumbs down, but I'll give it maybe thumbs sideways. I think that they try. What I'll give is, I think they tried. But I think that the, I think the strongest or the weakest link on this show is the writers. They're writing their characters out of situations that would be interesting And even the situations that might be interesting Like this one like this episode

They just didn't develop it enough so we couldn't feel it And we've had that problem from the very beginning of the show Of the season, season one The whole series And see if you're listening to this I do Of course they do I mean I do some writing here at the Blaze

I am fully available I know this season's probably out of the question Because it's probably already mapped out And done by the way But seriously, have me and Jeffrey come in. We can do even Skype. Skype call. We can do that.

But we can set it out for you. Maybe we could even co-author or co-pin a couple of episodes for you and get you back on track. How about that? I'm willing to do that. I'm willing to offer my services. And you know what? For the first episode that we co-write with you, you don't even have to pay me. I just want to be a walker.

I want to be killed on the original Walking Dead. That's my payment. I've never heard you say that before. I know. I know. It was just a brand new idea. And then after that, Then we'll discuss how much you can help you out and get this,

write this ship. Because it really is. We want it to be good. I do. Really do want it to be good. And, you know, it almost would beg to think that, you know, if the show keeps going off the deep end, so to speak, you might think about maybe doing another show.

Because there's another show that starts up real soon in a week or so, I'm told. Hmm. Just a thought Fear Game of Thrones Oh shit Got that out