Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - Jeffy's Corner: Talking Fear 2 - 3

Episode Date: April 25, 2016

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You're listening to the Jeff Fisher Show. All right. You sick, stinking freak, season two, episode three, fear, the walking dead. And since I don't like their theme music, we might as well play one that I really do like to get me in the mood. I love that song. All right. Yeah. Jeff Fisher with Jason Butchrill, Jason.

Who? Where are you at, buddy? Tell you what, man. Where are you at? They, uh... They redeem themselves. A little bit. In my eyes with this episode.

Yes, they did. I was digging it. I got to say. And it was tough for me because I was coming off of the premiere of Game of Thrones. So I was like, there's no way I'm going to be into this show. I'm just not going to want to watch it. I'm going to be all thinking about Game of Thrones. But I, you know, I devoured it.

And I was like, I better watch it so I can do this podcast. And I was impressed. I know. I really was. They stepped up the game big time for this episode. I kind of felt like. this is where we should have been all along. Yeah.

Well, I think what grabbed my attention right off the bat was that they had like, and this is maybe this is just me, but I like problem solving in these types of like into the world scenarios. Right. So I loved how, you know, Travis was like, you know, investigating what was wrong with the boat. Gotta be able to fix the boat. Got to fix it. And then he's all getting into it, you know, and he's like, he's a smart guy, you know.

So he's like all reading through the manuals and, you know, having to investigate, go under the boat. I like that. I did too. It made me realize how important my wife is in those situations. Honey, the manual is down there. Go read it and fix it. She loves putting that stuff together.

I would say, I love you too, honey. I'll be up on deck. So great. But then even, but they kept it going. And you knew it was full of sludge and guts and goo. You just knew there was going to be walkers down there. You knew it. Oh, my gosh, yes.

Or I'm sorry, not walkers. infected. Yeah, the infected, the sick ones. And you knew also that that for sure was clogging it up and then full of goo and gunk. I mean, bad. You know it was bad. Yeah, yeah. They did portray that really well as the smell

when it came out of the filter and stuff. So I did enjoy that. I liked it. And I enjoyed being on land when they went in to get the stuff. Very good? Not to mention, the whole reason why this scenario was set up was them integrating in the little

shorts into this episode. You know the, what was it, that flight, 462? Right. Webisodes. Right. I mean, that, I mean, that, all the, all the infected, that's going to get, that's going to get hard to say instead of walkers, but all of the infected walk, screw at walkers that were on the beach and all their luggage,

that was from their flight. Right. Right, right, right, right. And then the inclusion of Charlie, which was, that's the girl, right, Charlie. And I don't remember. Her brother or boyfriend or whatever his name is. Yeah. Which, by the way, Charlie is the type of character that we need on this show.

Absolutely. And you know what I was thinking? I know we're jumping ahead to the end. But when we cut her loose at the end, I thought, man, that is a bad move. Because that is the type of character that's going to come back and haunt your rear end for a while. Yeah. Let's go back to that once we get to the. end of this but yeah she um just everything about her i know the way she acts the way she sees

the world the way she's perfect perfect she she's i wrote down uh i wrote a note i said um fierce she's fierce and compassionate right that's what we need yeah something to make it look like these characters are not dull um badly written you know and actually have to daniels the only one that's like that really for us yeah yeah yeah um heroin boy started to be a little bit last night. I'm so glad you mentioned that because, yeah, for once I liked Nick. I know, and it came after the fact that you thought, go ahead, eat him, kill him, eat him, bite him, bite him. I know, no, come on.

So he, so, yeah, just to catch everybody up. So they see all of them. You watched it. You know what you're talking about. Well, anyway, so they see all these, all this luggage and all the bags and the beach. and they have to go and they're like, hey, since we're here because the boats broke down, let's go over there and do some supply gathering. Which I thought was interesting.

That was good. Like you said, they tied in the web episode, but it was interesting that they actually fought to do that. That was a smart move. Right. It was a good move. What's the kid's name? Chris, of course, goes off in his usual douchebag mode and just kind of wanders off on his own. We have to do something about him.

He, again, I made another note of this. came of what he did. No, it just, I think, again, it was, I think it was character building for him. He, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he did a mercy killing. He did. And you bring that back to his mother. You know, he's starting to realize this is the way the world is. Right. Your dad wasn't such a bad guy, which I thought we'd already crossed that bridge. Right. So the little things like this, even though I still think the character's kind of a douchebag, but. I will give you that. It does build it up a little bit. So maybe.

An idea of what he needs to do to survive, which he has now started to realize, okay, well, then I got to step up. Right. So. Sure. So at the main point I'm taken from Daniel's, or not Daniel, Chris's storyline here, is that maybe the writers are, maybe they're listening to us. I don't know.

But they're starting to develop their characters a little bit. They are. I don't know why it's taking two seasons or a season and a half to do that, but it feels that way. It does, it does feel that way. And that's what made last night feel so good. So he mercy killings, a guy in there, takes him out because he knows he's going to die anyway. Like I said before, exactly the same scenario as his mother.

Nick goes off on his own and does the stupid... Were you at all surprised that he was going to slip and fall into that little hole? No. You knew it was coming. Come on. I know. I was like, come on. I was hoping, actually at that time, I seriously was hoping, oh, he's going to fall in and die.

Die, die, die. He'll become a walker and they'll have to kill him good. So, but then he learns these Too much of a big character. Zombie flage or zombie camouflage, however we want to call that. How fast did he figure that out? Walker Flage.

I love that. He figured out the Walker Flage way before the Walking Dead crew did. Yes, but the scenario was a little bit different. I'll give you, you know, they didn't really ever have, I don't think, I'm going to have to go back. I almost started watching Walking Dead from season one again. just to go through it again. Yeah.

But I don't think that they were faced with a scenario similar enough to this to where it would have dawned on them. You know what I mean? It was just, I'm not sure. And that's one of the things that made me think I need to go back and maybe judge the differences. Because he was faced with that scenario where he was covered in it by accident,

by saving his own life. and then realizing that, I mean, you saw him stand in front of one, look right in the eye and growl back at it because he was realizing at that point, I'm covered in this goo. They don't know I'm alive. Right. And the way he figured it out ultimately, I loved that, I mean, I don't know.

If they continue to develop Nick out this way, I will like the character because they made him basically have huge balls. Yep. He turned straight around. He didn't have to do that. You know, he comes in there swinging all, you know, all bad A going in there, you know, kicking some tail. And then he turns right around and faces them and walks into them and stares that walker down in the face. That's good.

I'm sorry, even though I hate this character up until this episode, I was dating it. I was like, that's pretty awesome. I know. It was pretty awesome. So, okay, so AMC, if you are listening to this, which you should, I mean, everybody else is. Thank you. But continue to develop him. that way. I like it. I like it. Absolutely. And he got medicine for the girl.

You know, got medicine for Daniel's daughter. Yeah. The amoxicillin or whatever in the box. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but he wasn't trying to be misleading at all on that, was he? I heard him say right after that, maybe he was talking about something else, but he said these are worthless. Was he talking about a different drug or was he talking about the oxycodone? No, he was talking about a different drug. Okay. I hope Because he was telling Daniel, you needed this, you want the sins. Okay. You want the sins and the don'ts.

Okay. Because I was... The other stuff is worthless because he was looking for, he was looking for the hydrooxycodones. And he was looking for the sins, the antibiotics. And that's how skeptical I am of his character. For a second there, I thought he was trying to mislead him so that he could take those drugs and go off and do it. He tossed those back. Okay, good.

I didn't see him deep pocket any of those. Okay. Because I think at that point, I mean, I'll give you what you're thinking, but I think he would have said, you know, these are not going to help. They're not going to help your daughter or whatever. You know, he might be, but then deep pocketed himself or whatever. Yeah. I would think they haven't reached a point now where they realize that, you know,

maybe we should just take them anyway. Yeah. Because we're not going to be having any kind of medicine. Yeah, right. So maybe perhaps these vitamins might help. Yes. And that's another thing. I mean, it goes back to last episode.

is they're not really thinking endgame. They're not thinking long term. I still think that they're in that mindset of, well, this catastrophe has happened, but eventually it's going to come back around. Yeah, right. It's not going to stay this way. That's kind of how they're thinking. They just don't know what's really going on. Yeah.

And they're, I mean, they're getting close to that, right? We're going up and down the coast. We're seeing all this gun. So now we've decided that we know where we're going. Yeah. So back to what we're talking about with Charlie. So now they did fix the boat, which I thought was awesome. He found the severed hand.

Again, you know, plus one for the goryness. I know. Got back to that. I know. See, this was just so much what we needed. We needed gore. We needed mass, you know, mass amounts of zombies coming out, some killing. And some backstories.

And some backstores. This is perfect. Yeah. Anyway. So they found the severed hand up in that thing. They get the boat running. They're on their way. They have this like meltdown, whether to take Charlie and this kid on the boat with them.

And Strand is kind of, you know, his, usual self, not wanting to add any more humans. Yeah, no more, he doesn't want to take on. So we still, I mean, that's kind of a weird scenario there. I'm not quite sure what to make out of, you know, the total number of humans being the cutoff point. Yeah, and I don't know, it's like the, the Walking Dead crew realized from a very, from the get-go that numbers equal safety.

And the Strand guy, which maybe tips you off on what his motivations are going forward, He's not thinking along those lines. But you've got to be thinking. You've got to find like-minded people and get them on your side. I kind of felt like they would have, I just kind of felt like they, in a real-life scenario, and I got it, it's a TV show, I know. In a real-life scenario, you would have killed the boy, kept the girl. Right?

That's cold, but okay. No, I mean, really, the guy is, I mean, he's almost dead, right? He's burned. He's almost dead. Yeah. And, I mean, he's got to go. I got it. You're sorry.

You're the one that was running from the walkers, the infected on the beach saying, run, they're coming. And then because we saved you, you made us go pick up this guy that's burned and almost dead. No, honey. Sorry. Kiss him goodbye. We're pushing them overboard. Yeah.

If you don't want to kill him dead, fine. no problem. If he can swim and float the land, good luck, God bless. But he's not staying here. Yeah. Okay, you can. Love, come on. Come on aboard. Not him. And no, we're not wasting the raft with him in it either. So he's going to go. Yeah. I mean, I just felt weird. So I kind of understood cutting her off. But at the same time, like I said earlier, I just felt when that happened, she is the perfect kind of character that we need, as used to. and she's also the type of character that can come back and but you in the ass, boy, hard. Yeah, well, I hope she doesn't turn out to be a rival or some kind of antagonist. I wanted her with this group because it just makes it. I did too. She makes the group better, you know, more interesting to watch.

I had an interesting conversation with Brad Staggs. Yeah. Our man here at the Blaze TV commercial guru and whatever the hell else he does around here. about fear. And he wanted to join us today. And he's busy now at the time of this recording doing some other television work. I mean, hello, what's more important? Apparently working on the TV show.

Okay, whatever. Our heads are right. The Red Beg TV show, whatever. Two people are right. Thank you. Thank you. But he has a very interesting theory about fear and what's happening with it. how it came to pass.

Okay. I'll let him tell the whole story of how he got to it, but the short version is that they were contractually obligated to make this show with AMC. They didn't want to do it. They tried to talk AMC out of it saying, no, don't. You're going to take away from the real walking. Let's just make walking the best we can.

No, we're going to capitalize on, the success of walking dead you're contractually obligated we're going to knock it we need another show and that's what you have to do so they've made it unlikable just good enough

to be able to say because they're a stretch really thin on the main show anyway so they've made it just good enough they've got walkers they've got infected they've got they went before time they've got some people they've got a storyline they've plotted it out

and they're making it just good enough to say, there you go, here's your show, there you go. And so when they sit down at the conference table, and AMC says, man, we're getting a lot of reports that nobody likes it, or it's not good, and what are you doing? They can say, nobody likes it. What are you talking about? This is perfect.

We've got the plan. Here's the layout. It's the dead. People are watching. I know they're not watching as much as they're watching the regular Walking Dead, but you knew that, of course, wasn't going to happen, right? I mean, Walking Dead is the mothership. Yeah.

So they're following, they're keeping under contract, but they're just not giving it they're all. That's interesting. Any shape or fashion. I mean, it's interesting because, I mean, it's such a deviation from Walking Dead as far as storytelling is concerned. Right. So that's what's always baffled me is if you can get it so right here, how can you screw it up this back? Sadly, I mean, they don't have the source material. So there's not like any graphic novel for them to fall back on.

Right. Because that's just a great story, and that's why it's successful in the first place. Well, one of the things that we talked about with Brad, too, is that in the original story, the guy who started it all, you know, he broke away after, I think, season one or, or might even been before that. But the guy that actually saw the comic book and said, hey, this would be a good TV show. Yeah.

You know, he broke away with AMC at the end, and that was a fight over, I think, keeping it strictly comic book or taking merging, merging fantasy with comic book. Interesting. And it's funny how you merge fantasy with comic book? Wait, what? Comic books are real, real life.

But you understand, you know what I mean. The fans know what I'm talking about. You're going to mix made-up and, you know, mix made-up and, comic books are made, never mind. You know what I'm talking about. I know what you're talking about. So do you. Don't look at me that way.

Don't look at your phone that way at the podcast. Don't, don't. I see you. And that was a mix over that, which was a good fight for AMC to have because they knew that they needed to add a little non-comic book action and people. And it worked. Yeah. It's just, it's an interesting thought about fear because they're giving it just enough to let you hang on, but it's just not that. good.

Yeah, that's interesting. But this last episode was a step up, no question. Yeah, it might have, I mean, I'm gonna. So there's a whole lot of episodes behind this one for this to redeem the whole thing, though. Yeah. I mean, you're almost ready to redeem the whole thing after one episode. I can see it in your eye. Well, I mean, I was last episode, I was about to say, forget it.

I'm not doing this anymore. I'm not going to watch it anymore. We're going to have to pick something else. That's why I was like teasing Game of Thrones. But, I mean, but this episode really did, it helped. I mean, it was a lot of stuff that we really needed to see. They finally put it in one episode. And I got to tell you, too, speaking of last week's episode,

like this week, season two, episode three, but I went back and watched episode two again with my father-in-law, and it made me even more mad. So they really, I'm glad they stepped up this episode. And you, last week, you weren't all that off of this train. You sounded like you weren't as mad about the last episode. Well, I just felt like they were headed and they were going in the right direction. There was just some things that they should have done.

Yeah. Like we should have left some people on the island, I thought, so that it gave us two storylines. Yeah. So that we could, you know, somewhere down the line, whether it be the end of this season or into the third season, you know there's going to be three or four seasons of this at least. There's no way around that that we meet back up with the island people. Yeah. It was just so obvious that there were so many things that they could have done better.

Yes. And there was dramatic parts that could have been so much more dramatic and so much more compelling, and it could have went a long way to character development. That's what irritated me about last week. But they didn't make those mistakes this week. No, they did not. It's like they actually took the time to point out certain points and say, remember this, this is important for this character going forward. You know what I mean? Right.

I'd never gotten that forethought from the show before until this episode. So I could actually go back and say, oh, remember that? Remember in episode three? when he said this or he did this or when he found the zombie flage and all that stuff. I mean, you know what I mean? Excuse me. Walker flush. Walker flush.

Zombie flogs, that's already taken. We got to use Walker Flush. Somebody used zombie flush? I have no idea. I love the Walker Flage, though. We're definitely using that. Yeah, I think we might have to trademark that. Yeah, we're going to have to at least is a hashtag a trademark.

Anyway. I want to point out one more thing before we say sign our here. The very end. when Strand is all talking about the compound that they're going to. Right. So they're going to Mexico. We are Mexico bound. This train is, or boats going to Mexico.

And they're going to a compound that has a built-up structure with walls and all kinds of crazy stuff with food. What the heck are they going to? The Baja prison. It very well could be. I did not even think about that. It could be a prison. I'm thinking this has got to lead into some kind of cartel stuff. It's got to be.

This guy is dirty. Strand is dirty. He's got something else going on under the table before the apocalypse happened. I think it's drugs. Perhaps the front end of the boat underneath all the bedrooms is a billion dollars worth of Coke. We might find something like that. That's an interesting point. That would not surprise me in the slightest. It would not surprise me either. So what they're going to is a bunch of armed probably commandos, like federallies that are involved. with this illicit drug train, something like that. Right. If that's the case, we could be getting it into like a Negan type, you know,

or governor type, ruthless society, you know, a group. That might be kind of cool. Bad news. That'd be cool. Yes, it would. Now, what the side note to that is is that, yes, it would be kind of cool. Now, it may not be exactly what Strand is hoping for when we get to the prison or the compound of the drug lords because, you know,

not everybody is healthy. It's going to be overrun. I bet you. Yeah. Not everyone is healthy. So they're either going to an overrun compound or a very ruthless group like Negan, very Negan-esque or governor-esque type group.

So they're not just going to go to the beach and hang out of Baja? Well, that could happen too, knowing these writers. Yeah, you never know. Fear of the Walking Dead. Thanks for listening. See you next week.