Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - Jeffy's Corner: Talking Fear 2 - 4

Episode Date: May 3, 2016

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You're listening to the Jeff Fisher Show. Season 2, episode 4, fear the walking dead. Did you make it through the entire show? Have you made it through all four, or are you just waiting for us to tell you about it? Either way, welcome. Makes you miss it, doesn't it? Just as a side note.

before we get into Fear Season 2, Episode 4, as this theme music plays, season 7 is being filmed right now. That sink in. I know. I know. All right, welcome to it. Myself, Jeff Fisher, Jason Buttrill,

Aaron Hernandez has graced us with his expertise and appearance today. Finally back. On talking fear. Welcome to it. All right. So, Aaron, you haven't been with us since the beginning of this season of fear. Yeah, I've been MLA. I've been caught up in the zombie apocalypse here in Los Angeles.

So we'll get a quick recap of the first three before we break into episode four with you. Where are you at? What are you thinking? Dude, I don't know, man. Well, that's good. I want to care about these people, but I don't care. There's nothing these people are doing that I'm, like, invested in to any of the characters yet. And quite, quite frankly, I hope people start getting knocked off real quick here in the situation that they're in right now on the boat.

So hopefully things are to start picking up in that sense. And where's all the zombies? I know they're out to see, but I want to see more zombies as well. It's true. It's a good point. Yeah, I mean, the areas that they've gone in have been slightly less inhabited. And that's what we've been pointing out over the past three of these podcasts was that the whole point of this show was for you to see what it was like to have thousands

and thousands of mass numbers of zombies in cities. That's what got me wanting to watch it. But we haven't seen that. Now they're even, they're so remote, it's not like they're in a forest or something. They're on the freaking ocean. I mean, come on. There's not a whole lot you can see out there. Right.

And we're seeing some, we're seeing some swimmer walkers, water walkers. water walkers water i'm not sure we don't have a name for them yet swimmers yeah i don't know yeah the swimmers i don't want to say that all right so all right this season four we want to like them we're all we're all at the we're all at the point of we wanted to really see the beginning of the outbreak and we're already kind of past that we wanted to see some characters that we like uh that we can rattle our arms around and say we want you to survive no matter what they're taking steps though

they are they are taking some steps for that in this episode they tried to do it even more okay which i thought was nice let me say what i did like i like the flashback scene okay i've been saying we need some kind of uh writing element here something from the writers to to to get us more invested in some of these characters and i think we even said that a couple of episodes that we absolutely did said do some flashbacks do something so they did some i did a flashback back, a character that we actually think is interesting, and they developed him more. So, kudos to AMC for that. However.

However, I still don't care enough about the core A-team. You said that you were like, why can't some of these die? I've been saying that from the get-go. I tell you what, but let me backtrack here. I wanted Nick to die in the worst possible way. Now he's like my favorite character on the show. He's going to come out. He's getting there.

He's getting there. He is my favorite character on the show. I mean, he could totally unredeem himself going forward. I don't know, he'll go back to using drugs or something. Like two episodes ago when they were on Catalan Island or whatever. I felt like he was still looking for drugs. I thought that's what he was doing. But now he's like this fearless kind of almost badass.

He's just kind of developed into it out of nowhere. Maybe, so maybe my biggest scribe would be you took way too long to develop that character. You could have done this towards the end of season one maybe, and I would have been invested more into him. but this gives me hope if you're starting to make your characters out to be a little bit more interesting like Nick and how Strand is

that maybe I can start getting more on board with this but when I saw Nick doing this like top secret mission it was obviously he was out on his own and I assumed right off the bat that he was sent by somebody I didn't know it was a secret from the entire boat except for Strand but I was okay this is kind of cool he's off on a mission

he's doing something didn't really know what it was he was so like calm and collective walking through, you know, that little tent city there on the beach. I was like, dang, check this guy out. And then he was just very calm and collected, you know, like, you know, zipped himself in that tent and waited for the walker to come and just like a pro, like a boss, did him right in the head instead of... He's figuring it out.

He is figuring it out. So he hasn't taught anyone this yet, though. But he is figuring it out. Yeah. Which is good. Right? I mean, it's feeling his way through it. I kind of like that.

As opposed to Chris. who had this stupid move of, we can give him a pass because he just doesn't know the world yet. But when he was like saying, you know, when this pregnant woman was coming up to the boat, you know,

and she's bleeding and he's like, what should I do? Should I shoot him? Should I shoot him? Rick and the gang, yeah, probably just would have straight shot him. Yeah.

To his side for a little bit, because I'm kind of beginning to think that they're going to turn him into a badass too. I thought that last episode, I know. I know. I know. But I think that at this point,

point he's still, remember, he's still coming off of a dad being the California liberal. And so he's struggling from that and he's struggling from seeing what's going on around him and realizing that, hey, I need to not worry about these other people and I need to, you know, unless I'm sure they're dead. Period. So I kind of feel like that's good. Maybe they will or will not get there. I hope that they do. Go ahead. What I find interesting about Chris is that, you know, he is, you know, he has, you know, I guess at fault his father who's like, no, don't touch guns.

It's only the zombie apocalypse. And he's kind of a wimp character. So Chris definitely has, you know, problems with his father with that. But one thing, though, I think that's really interesting was last episode, the scene with him. and the passenger in the down plane and you see him really tear into this guy with the wrench or whatever he picked up

and I feel like this world even though he was hesitant and even you know halting the boat with the pregnant lady that was coming on to the boat I feel like this dude is in this weird transition point where he can either be a total badass for good or this dude

could be one of the dudes that is the bad guy you know what I mean that will kind of lose his entire soul in this new world and, uh, you know, any little thing he will, uh, react violently towards, you know, and there's no, it's kind of a, a loose hinge, you know, if you will. So I think Chris might, they might be taking him into that direction where he might be going to, you know, the dark side of this world, which is already pretty dark. I like that. And, and I am being a little bit too hard on the character, I guess, because he has a kid. I mean, let's go, let's, I mean,

He's a high school kid. So maybe I'm asking too much of them. The fallacy I'm having with the show is I think because of all the experience that our boys in the walking dead have the characters there, they have all this experience. So they know a good thing when they see it. They know a bad thing when they see it. They know the world. These people don't know the world. Correct.

And to be fair, it is still just the, you know, while we're not seeing it the way we'd like to see it, it is still the beginning. Yeah. So, I mean, even Rick was struck. If we want to compare, which I try not to, I'm trying more and more not to just to give the fear a break. Yeah. Because when you do, it makes fear look even worse. Yeah. So I try not to.

But even Rick was struggling in the beginning. I remember, you know, the little girl and the walking through the cars and stuff. So, I mean, it's a struggle. At this point, I'm just looking for character development so I can start to care. Yes. And of course, the character. development we have is Strand and his boyfriend. Oh, yeah. Come on now. I'm not going to go there.

Come on now. Like, I don't care. I felt very awkward watching that. I don't care. And you knew that that was the case that they were, that they were, you know, he was in love with Strand and really liked him. You knew that from the very beginning. But to have it actually play out, you know, I felt like the hand holding was enough. I really did. I felt like the handholding was enough. I felt like the kiss was just like,

we're going to put it in your face now. And it didn't advance anything to the show or the characters to have them, you know, get the big kiss goodbye. Yeah. I just felt like, okay, come on, I got it. I don't want to spend too much on this, but I feel like there has a whole lot of quote unquote product placement nowadays where you just always have to have that element in almost every single show now.

I don't, I'm not exactly sure if he's, sincere on that. Now this guy's a con man. He's a straight con man. Correct. Strand is. I'll give you that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He could just be playing the field here. I understand. falling in love with this guy saved his life. Yeah. You know, at least making it appear that he fell in love with this guy. It saved his life so far. Yeah. Because he stole from him. Yeah. And most people, remember his helper, the son that Nick is saving, wanted to kill him a long time ago. Yeah. So, I mean, this whole played out saved his life. So the compound that they're trying to get to still, is that the, do you think that's the compound that this businessman guy,

you remember his name? Is that the compound they were making out holding hands at? Yeah. Okay, okay. All right. At first I thought it was that housing community where they picked Carlos. Was it Carlos, so you said, Aaron? Carlos, yeah, that's the new character.

Who's a total badass? He is kind of cool. He took out two guys like nothing. Yeah, and I liked how he was, I just kind of, I like little quirks within characters. And I like how he was all, dude, you're messing up the leather of my, you know, you're messing up my car. You're not going to sit my car like that. Yeah, he still has value and stuff like that. You know, I mean, he cracked me up.

And then he rubbed up against the car and he's like, what? Yeah, he's on wiping it down. But it was funny, my first thought was, I was like, oh, my God, they almost have like a mini Alexandria right there. I was like it's all, it didn't even look like they had a fence structure set up around it. Which is why I think that at least some of our crew should have stayed on the island. Oh, no question. If they knew what Rick and the gang knew, they would have stayed on Catalina. The show would not have progressed beyond that.

They would have stayed there. And there was so much more they could have done on the island. Anyway, we're covering old ground, I know. So now we've got the characters kind of trying to develop and see where we're at. I still think Daniel is the man. I'm Mr. El Salvador, man. He's going to take over the – my man is going to – because he's one of the guys that is not going to – to question, should I shoot them?

Yeah, he did piss me off. The move of him taking out the clip of that gun, though, basically screwed the day for them. So I was thinking the same thing Strand was thinking when he went for his gun. Stran could have taken them all out, but he looked at it and he was like, that paranoid, whatever he called. Right. But I was like, oh, my God, dude.

I will give you that. But, yeah, for being, go ahead. But in his defense, right, like this dude has been through genocide that he was part of, in El Salvador. So in his head, he's going, no, I don't think we're going to take the chance. If a weapon is loaded, I want it. Yeah. Yep.

Yeah. That whole, was anybody doubting that that scheme where those kids showed up with the pregnant girl was anything but a trap? No. Not one moment. Not at all. One moment of, oh, maybe it is just, maybe it is, they just need help. Yeah. Well, they were setting it up with...

Not Ophelia. What's the girl's name? The... Yeah, the daughter. What's her name? Alissa? Yeah, yeah. So they were setting it up when she was like

below deck and she was listening. And I was like, okay, that's the guy's voice. Yeah, yeah. But, yeah, so basically they're the minions of this Connor character that shows up at the end. I'm sorry, but I'm not really buying this evil Connor guy. I'm not either. He showed up. He didn't, and he doesn't take the yacht.

Yeah, yeah. The yacht's running. So, yeah, where did they go? The yacht is running. They don't take it. I'm confused. That whole, yeah, thing, that whole split right there didn't make it. It's obviously he was looking, he's on the lookout for people with skills. That's why he took the hot chick, and that's why he took. Oh, right, the dad.

Right, the dad is, like, the way he's progressing. He's obviously not, you know, the rick of the group. he's, I don't know, maybe he's going to turn into the Eugene of the group or something. I don't know about that. Seriously? Yeah. I don't know. I mean, Eugene is Eugene, so he's his own character.

But, I mean, he just seems, this guy seems like he's got some of the, he's the, he's the smart guy. He's the guy that, you know, can make stuff. And if a community is going to form, he's going to be the guy that gets the water going and the electricity going and all that stuff. There's no question. Yeah, yeah. So that's just where I see, that's just how I see them developing that character is that type of, he's that art type, within the group. Right.

I don't know as far as a leader is concerned. No one's showing any kind of leadership at all. I know. Strand's got the smarts, but I don't know if he seems like he's kind of wanting to do his own thing, you know, so I don't know. I think that Madison's is more of the leader in this group than anybody. Even more so than Travis, I think that Madison, I think she's really the one that is. They're trying to push her on us, no question.

Yeah, they're trying to push her on us, no question. us, no question. Okay, well, you better do some serious development on that because everything she does just annoys the crap out of me. Seriously. I see her trying. What's that? I don't even think she's as good as that.

Really? Really? Yeah. You like her, though, don't you? Oh, by the way, you ask, really? You like her. I don't. Maybe a little. I know you do. I don't. I've liked her on other shows. Like, she's been on a lot of other shows that I've liked. So I do like the actress

But just the way that they've portrayed her She every once in a while She mostly acts dumb or stupidly In situations Or just something that just doesn't make any sense But then all of a sudden she acts tough And I just don't buy it I like say for instance

I liked how in this episode How she was trying to make the pregnant chick feel You know nervous or whatever She was trying to get under her skin And that was kind of like this little evil little thing to do I was like I like the way she did it It was just like very kind of conniving and devious so I like that.

But most of the time, I just do not like anything about her. I just can't imagine seeing her as the rick. I just can't imagine it. Maybe you could turn, I don't know. I don't know. I mean, they're making strides to, you know, make her be like, this is the decision. She's standing up to Strand.

You know, she's kind of, you know, starting to step up a little bit. And really, nobody in this group, say, other than maybe Salazar, because he took that dude, you know, hostage. last season, there's nobody really, you know, standing up. So right now, as far within this season, I feel she's the only one that's really trying to make some strides to, for a leadership role. I think Daniel's going to come along. My boy's going to come along.

He's not going to play too much. You know what? I'm sounding incredibly negative right now, but that's not what my, wasn't my goal when I sat down to do this. I actually liked this episode more than most of these episodes. Yeah, did too. Last episode wasn't bad. This episode, I was into it pretty much from the get-go.

So I don't want to make it sound like I dislike this episode because I did not dislike it. There's just the little problems with some of the characters that I just don't like. And that's been the problem in the entire show. Entire show. But they're obviously listening to our podcast because they're starting to do some of the things that we're... They absolutely have. They so are. There's no question about that.

All right, so where are we going, Aaron? Where do you see the future taking us? Well, I think this guy, Jack, which is Alyssa's new boyfriend over the radio. Mr. Loverboy. Mr. Loverboy. I think, and there's, you know, let me pause right now for just a second. That girl, I think she could turn into the badass, too. The daughter?

Really? I do. Because I think that when Jack looks the other way here soon, she's going to have a knife in his skull. So you think this is just all a ploy? To say, I think I just kind of felt like it was a little bit. A couple of times they gave me a camera angle that I felt like she was not going to play that. But I could be wrong because, you know, all these characters are on the edge of either wuss or no wuss, and I can't figure it out yet. I got the sense that they were almost introducing a new character to the group.

With Jack. With Jack. And he's, I don't think, worth the character for the show. The reason I say that is because he was, he almost, he was being portrayed as just someone that had actually a kind heart, but he was being taken advantage of and he was doing what he had to do in the moment. Right. But like he was, he actually felt sorry for this girl and he was trying to give her, I mean, he's, he wanted to, to help her and her family. He just couldn't deliver on the family part, but he could deliver on her. So I don't know.

It just, the way they were setting up, I don't, I don't know. I just got the strong feeling that he's going to be around. more. Plus, she lost her boyfriend to start this show off. Oh, right. And it's almost like they're reintroducing another one for her. And then we've got Strand's bodyguard coming on board now too, right? Yeah, yeah. You save Strand. Strand will be sick for a while because he's got, he'll be lucky to be able to walk being out there in that water forever.

Yeah. How about that look when Madison was picking up Strand out of the while? It was more like, I don't know, I was trying to put my. finger on it. It was more like I would so leave you out here to die. I don't really want to. I felt like she was, I felt like if the show were from me, the end of the show would have been

her pushing his head down under the water. Nope. Sorry, he's dead. He died out there. Couldn't save him. I'm interested to, you ask where we're going. I'm interested to see because they're obviously still pushing on with his plan. They picked up Carlos. That was part

of the plan to get him on board, to bring him over to uh that was part of strands plan strand's plan yeah and so now they're moving on towards wherever this compound is i guess further down in baha but yeah i'm assuming if if it would go it would go along with you know the walking dead

for them to get there and along those pot lines for the compound to just be totally overrun or something bad would happen right or maybe this guy is what's this guy's name something Abigail i don't remember his full name yeah the mobster yeah the head mobster oh thomas

Thomas, yeah, for him to be a walker when they show up or something. That's just what I'm assuming is going to happen. It's not going to be all, you know, cookies and cream once they get there. And we got a first reference, which another thing I might add, that lends to the Jeff Fisher theory of the babies being the cure, being the cure, is that they started to make reference to the baby dying and turning inside the mother. I missed that completely. Okay. That was pretty cool.

I knew you were going to bring that out. Let's be how long it's in Jeffrey to bring that up. Because they were making jokes about, you know, making kind of all the baby could have died and turned inside. You could have one of those things inside your belly already. But I think that that was just a ha, ha, ha, get people, throw people off the track because the babies are the cure. Thank you.

We're done. We'll see. I'll think that's how I was going to be, but okay. Yeah? You got a better one. No. That's what I thought. Okay.

All right. Talking fear, one last thought. Aaron, you got your final thought for talking fear? Yeah, let's get interesting with it. And hopefully, somebody gets killed. I... Do you have a preference on who gets killed? Oh, man.

Maybe that Alyssa girl. Man, come on. How are you going to bring people with guns onto your boat? That's crazy. Okay. Well, she didn't. She didn't bring them on And she was just talking to Jack

Getting all hot and heavy Over the sea phone You gotta have your hot girl You're you to talk about You know, there's got to be a hot girl MacGerman, you know, what are you talking about here? We've got Daniel's daughter Daniel's daughter is pretty hot

But he is, yeah Yeah So we got a couple right now We've got to have those, no question Agreed Yeah All right, Travis can go How about that?

Who's going to fix the boat? That ain't happening. Right. I'm I'm ending I guess my final thought is I'm cautiously optimistic on some of the

character development that I've seen over the past two episodes but from to Aaron's point they do need to get we got to see some more zombies this is a freaking zombie flick crying out loud you can't be stuck out on the water

the entire time you got to get in the thick of things and just continue to develop some of the characters that are annoying me and I could see this turning the corner possibly. I won't definitively say that, but I can see this show turning a corner if they continue on the route that they've done for the past two episodes.

Well, I would say that I hope they pick up the pace on getting to the corner. Definitely that. Season 2, episode 4, talking fear. See you next week.