Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - Jeffy's Corner: Talking Fear 2 - 5

Episode Date: May 9, 2016

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You're listening to the Jeff Fisher Show. Season 2, episode 5, Fear the Walking Dead. I don't like their theme music, so. Just use the real theme music to the show that matters. But we will talk fear. All right. Episode 5, Jason Butchell joins me here on Talking Fear on the Blaze Radio Network.

What'd you think? I'm kind of surprise you in saying that I'm slowly coming around, I think. I do it. I guess for this episode, this episode is the first time I cheered for the characters and not yelled at them, I think, while watching one of these episodes. I was actually seeing. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, I was like, you know, good decision. Good job.

Yeah, you're getting it. You know. Right. I mean, there was really only the screw up by the young kid, Chris, or whatever, is that. And that really wasn't a screw up. I mean, yes, he shouldn't have, you know, shouldn't have shot him. So I don't, man, I don't think, I guess there's two ways to look at that. Either Reed died, which was, you know, one of the evil brothers that they had, you know,

imprisoned on this boat. Or Chris was putting off a lot of, you know, mojo that he was kind of losing his mind on this. And, you know, he was not in the right place. And what Reed was saying was starting to get to him. him. So I kind of took it as, even though I've heard people write about the opposite, but I kind of took it as he just got pissed and went in there and took it, you know, and killed him before. I think so, too. Oh, that's what you thought too. Ah, yeah. Because I've heard some people say that, oh, he really did put him out of his misery and he just missed. But he didn't put him out of his misery. That's the whole point.

Shot him in the face. Right. And he's not stupid. So let's go back to a couple of episodes when they were on Catalina Island. He was taught by that guy how to kill them. In the head. So he would know. He knows in the skull. Exactly. Right. So if he missed and hit him in the the face he would know just by his experience that that would not have put him out of his misery. Right. So he got pissed. Got pissed. Shot him and then realized, oh, crap. Yeah. So I guess they're setting Chris up to be the douchebag of the group. Like he's going to do something. But I don't think he is. I think he's actually waking up. You know what, who's making. Oh, you don't? You know who's making them into a douchebag is the mother, Madison. She is pissing me off. What she do? She doesn't want a homeboy messing with the gun. You know? You know, you know,

You're getting too comfortable with that, with the guns, don't leave. I mean, and even my man is saying, they're not children. Not anymore. They're not. And she's still tried to. I know that it's mom and she's still trying to fight up. My kids, my kids, I got it. But look around their California teacher.

Life isn't let everybody go to the bathroom in one bathroom anymore. It's true. Madison is still showing. Okay, yeah, I'll agree with you there. I was pissed off at that too. I forgot about that, even forgot about that part. Because Nick is actually one of my favorite characters in the show now, which is such a weird turnaround.

The junkie, I know, big turn around. Big turnaround. For everyone. For everyone it is. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. We were all rooting for him to die. Why are you letting him live?

From episode one. I'm like, why are you letting him escape? I was like, let him die from episode one. But, yeah, I, I, Madison's still doing some weird stuff, but I see her. I mean, just from the way they handled taking reeds now zombie body now that it's animated. Like I was before, I was like, oh, crap, how are they going to pull off this trade if this guy's dead? But then when he reanimated and Daniel did the move.

Well, Daniel's the man. He's the man. You know, and you know he is. And he put, he put, he's like, no, don't kill it. Don't put him out of his misery. And he pushed him back into the wall. Not yet. We're not going to kill him yet.

And pinned him there with that like broomstick. or whatever shoved through his body. That was awesome. Yeah, that was good stuff. The crowbar. We're not going to kill him yet. Yeah. Yeah, we need him right now.

That was great. But that's what had me cheering for these characters. So I'm like, okay, they're starting to figure things out. They're starting to do stuff that, you know, they're starting to figure the world out. This is, you know, this is the apocalypse, the zombie apocalypse. We're going to do some messed up crap to survive in this. And you, you know, the dad was even saying to the other girl who came back, my girl, who they cut away, who we knew was going to come back.

Oh, yeah, the airline chick. I'm surprised that we didn't. take her. We've got to find her again. Yeah. She's going to take over that crowd now. I don't, yeah. She's going to take over Connors, I think. That's a very good point. She probably will be because she's one of the most interesting characters on the show. And she's not redeemable now to this group. She gave them up. I mean, she gave them up. That's the way I took it. She told them everything about the group. You know, she's the one that probably set that plan in motion and probably told them, oh, you know, the mom is going to, I think she said,

she completely told them how to take down the dad ago. That wasn't the daughter's fault. No. With, with Jack. No, no, no, no. Because she didn't, she, what Jack knew wasn't close to what they knew. Right. I mean, he had information, obviously, but she was close to, I mean, she was close to laying all that out. And what was great about that is that she actually should have been on the dad's side. He was the one that wanted to save them. It was like a mercy thing. She hung him out to dry saying, you know, I saw it in your eyes that you should have done.

You did the right thing. But, you know, he was the one that pretty much saved your butt. Yeah. Well, she is unredeemable. Right. Right. Now she is. She's already admitted.

She's antagonist. She's destined to be antagonist, which I like because I think that she's going to be pretty hardcore going to. Oh, my gosh, yes. She's very pragmatic. She's going to be another ringleader. Yeah, I think so. No question. Which I'm glad because I thought that the Connor bad guy was just.

kind of douchey. I didn't... The ships cook. Yeah. Whatever. Thanks. It wasn't believable to me. A steak. I didn't care. You know what I mean? I was like, he just wasn't evil in the slightest, you know? He was just, I don't know, that the pregnant lady was more evil than him, I thought. They tried to make it seem like he was the evil guy, but he was trying to be nice to them,

but it didn't really work because he never came. He never did anything in our presence. Yeah. That made it seem like he was this guy who was a psycho. Yeah. and was just going to wipe off. That's the one thing that makes the strong leaders, the strong leaders is that ever so often you see it in their eye of, at any moment, I could cut your throat out and I don't care.

Right. And I'm blanking on that lady's name, but she is that type of character, I think, eventually. She could be that. Yes. And more believable, too. Yeah, the boat lady. Yeah, the boat lady.

It's horrible that we don't know their names. No, it's not. Make a show we'll read it. remember. You're lucky I remember Madison. The reason I remember Madison is because she pisses me off. Madison still pisses me off. But I love that the group had had the balls to use a walker as a weapon.

Yeah, that was good. That was great. That was great. Yes, it was. I love, I still love the direction Daniels going in. Travis, he irritated me because he was just the teacher and, you know, back in the first season. Yeah, but he's really struggling. But he is now like, he's almost like the McGiver,

or fix it. But today he put his dukes up or his head up, actually. You know, I thought that he was screwed when they started to charge him and to go get him. And then he like went up to him and delivered that awesome headbut. I was like, go trap. When he was talking to Boat Lady, when he was in the cell, when she came down to glowed a little bit, he said that, you know, they were being all touchy-feely for a little while and trying to figure out what was going on. Because both of them, I think, are in the same category of trying to work through this,

and that's what's going to make them so strong. That's kind of the rickish kind of thing, where you can't go back. He's already crossed that. There's no going back. You're not going to get that part back of you, back to you at all. You just have to move forward, and that has to be gone. And Madison is not there yet for sure. the boy heroin is definitely there because he was saying i love going out there i'm okay with going

out there don't worry about it i love that too yeah he's he's just he's just very like in the moment but he has not had he has not had a caught in the mob of walkers yet kind of thing he's he's put on walker flage yeah yeah yeah walker flage yeah i love that i love that he is he is digging the walker fly oh and by trademark walkerflash he is Thank you. Aside that. Thank you. Even if it is and it is, okay?

You heard it here. What respect for Walker Flies. That's great. Anyway, and so that, now, what's your face to daughter? Alicia. I'm surprised that, A, she didn't bring Jack with her. He should have gone with him, I thought.

I thought he should have, they should have added him to the boat. Again, that was, see, and this goes to another point where they're taking forever to develop the characters, it's taking them a season and a half to really get some identity and some likeability to some of these characters. Alicia could have done something really stupid and went ahead with Jack or, I don't know,

I guess she could have, did she even invite him along? No. So she chose the safety of her family over, you know, the cute boyfriend that she doesn't really know. I just like the fact that she kind of realized that there's safety and the people that you know in blood or the people that you've spent time with. And she took that option versus running off with the boyfriend, which is what she was doing in the first season. You know, she kept on leaving.

Right. But now, I mean, I guess I'm just acknowledging the fact that these characters are starting to make rational decisions or they're actually making good decisions. They're not giving me a reason to want to punch them in the face every time I watch them on the show, which is a good thing. It is definitely a good thing. So I'm optimistic. We'll see what happens when they get down to Mexico.

Yeah. and see if we're still have some sane people, some live people in Mexico to get through it. So they keep referencing this group that they've paid off. Or they have to pay off, the flotilla or whatever. Yeah, to get people. So did they say flotilla? I thought that's what he said.

Oh, wow. So that means other boats out there. I thought that's what he said. I could be wrong. I have to go back and I'll go back and I always watch it a second time or third time with my father-in-law. and it's kind of enjoyable sometimes to watch it a second time before we talk about it.

But I don't know. If it's, yeah, if it's, I guess it's, they're obviously a shady group. They're having to pay people off to give them down. Yeah, I mean, they're criminal organization. I mean, that's the whole thing behind Abigail, his whole deal with his mom and him. Yeah.

That was all criminals. And they're thinking of national borders, which means they're thinking that some kind of government is still, you know, in existence. Well, in the beginning of the episode now, we saw the helicopter, right, fly over. Yeah.

When Nick was, or last week, maybe, when Nick was in the neighborhood. Yeah. I still don't know if that means there's any kind of government, though. I mean, it might be some, I don't know. I don't know. I just got the feeling that when they link up with this group,

they're either going to be a governor-esque or Negan-esque group. You know, I mean, there's a cartel-type people. That's what it's seeming like. They're cartel-type people. So they're either completely wiped out Or they are far more vicious than this little, Oh my gosh, yes.

You know, peon group is going to be able to handle. And or they're just going to, obviously, since, you know, Strand and Homeboy can nose them or at least has dealt with them before, they can maybe say, I can't get you through the little flotiller or whatever, but here's the boat go. Yeah. There's definitely going to be, we're all pretty much just kind of wondering, is Strand going to use them to get there and then move on? I don't know.

At this point, I remember he said in the last episode, he was talking about Nick, and he goes, I had him figured out from day one. I saw his potential in the first five minutes I met him. Exactly. So he's looking at, to me, I don't know, that it just seems like he's me, I don't know, it seems like he's team building, team building to me. He's looking for people that have skills. Well, and he always was that way, right?

Only now, you know, before it was team building to be able to rip people off and to be able to build an empire, a professional empire, whether it was thievery or whatever it was. But now, in the new world, he still has people that he has to trust somewhat to live. And these characters don't necessarily know that right now. So he still might have the plan of,

oh, I'm going to use them to get them to a certain place. I just kind of think that he's going to realize how horrible the situation is when he gets down to where they're trying to go, and they'll end up staying together just on necessity. That's what I'm predicting. I hope so. I think so. I mean,

I'm sure that's probably what they're thinking. Plus, they have to. I mean, Strand is one of the only, is one of the only interesting characters in the show. You know what I mean? You have to keep the interesting characters.

They have to make up for the Chris's and the Madisons of the group. Oh, my gosh. That's so sad, though. I mean, think about that. And what's, and Daniel's daughter. I don't know what we're doing with her.

We're trying to make her something. I don't know what. She's... Yeah, I don't know either. I'm not quite sure what's happening with her. She's definitely getting left out. I think we need to just kill her off and be done and let Daniel be pissed that his daughter and his wife are dead

and he's alive. Yeah, I mean, it's a good point. I mean, it's almost like they're setting her up to be one of the, I don't know, shock deaths maybe at the end of the season or something like that because they're just not developing her at all. The big deal was the gunshot, right? But during this whole melee with Connor and everything, she was nowhere.

Yeah, forgotten. She was tied up with the gunshot, right? the rest of them, but nothing about her was anything to do with this at all. Yeah. And can you, I can't think of any other character on the show that's like that at the moment. She's the only one that's kind of left out. Yeah, I mean, she was talking to, in the beginning, right, she was talking to Chris, or maybe it was last week, but I remember her and Chris out drinking coffee, talking about boyfriend,

girlfriend stuff, but that's about it. I mean, I guess Chris kind of likes her, but he's a teenage boy who, you know, any good-looking girl around you like. That's just the way it is. Everybody has a role. You can quote me on that too, by the way. Yeah, everybody in the group has a role except for her. Right.

She's the only one I can think. Her role is just Daniel keeping her alive saying, you're my daughter. And she's pissed at him for being who he is. Yeah. That's the reason you're alive, baby. If you want to kill somebody off, kill off Madison. That would be my vote. Because they won't do that, though.

I'm okay with that. I am okay with that. But think about it because you don't care of Daniel's daughter. I can't even think of her name right now, which is horrible. Ophelia, Ophelia. Oh, yeah, Ophelia. If Ophelia died and that's the shock death, who cares? Right.

I don't care. She dies and no one is going to care. Except for Daniel. I mean, it's a good Daniel building piece. Well, yeah, the characters would, but as in the audience. Right, right, right. But what I'm saying, though, for the audience, you would give a crap on how Daniel reacts. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. But some of the audience maybe have gotten invested in Madison because you're stupid or something. I don't know. But some people, I'm sure, have gotten invested in Madison. I don't know why. She's pivotal to the family. You know what I mean?

She's like maybe the head of the family. So if she gets killed, then that would get, that would get me interested in the show. I'd be like, oh, wow, they're not afraid to kill somebody off like that. Right. I would not get, they're not going to do it. But actually, I would, strangely enough to say, I would actually be more interested in the show if they did, which is weird. I am perfectly okay with that. She is agonizing to me.

I can't take it. You can't sit in it for anyone else. I know that she's the mom and she's all, you know, all this and trying to be Miss Tough guy and brought the Walker back and didn't want Nick to bring it back because you want to. And, you know, trying to rescue the daughter. Just I've had it with her. Dude, and I can't say that I am just looking for a reason not to watch the show anymore.

But if you killed Nick, I would stop watching. I wouldn't do this podcast anymore. He killed Nick. I'd be like, ah, screw it. This is not worth it. If you killed Daniel, I'd stop watching. If you killed Strand, I would stop watching. Because they're interesting to me.

I mean, those characters are the interesting characters. Now, kill off Travis? It's questionable. I don't think they will because they've identified they need him around for certain things. But kill off Madison, I don't quit watching and I'm more interested in the show. And it's that much of a shock value. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it Talking Fear

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