Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - Jeffy's Corner: Talking Fear 2 - 6

Episode Date: May 16, 2016

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You're listening to the Jeff Fisher Show. Welcome to it. Season 2, episode 6. Fear the Walking Dead. And since I still can't bring myself to enjoy their theme music, I mean, we've got to start with the real dead music, don't we? I mean, it's a monster. Yeah, it's a monster.

Put you into the mood. No other theme music puts you into this mood. That's a topic in itself, you know. Actually, that's a topic in itself because think about that. What other shows theme music puts you in the mood for that show? Oh, Game of Thrones, right off the bat. Maybe the Sopranos? Mm-hmm, yeah, yeah.

Right off the bat, you're like, you're in that mode. Friends had that vibe. I'll be there for you. Yeah, they did. Yeah, I can think of a lot. You know, speaking of that theme song, It's very also relevant since they're using the same dang plot lines, apparently, for fear as they are for Walking Dead. I know.

Because basically what we got was the Herschel Farm Ranch, Barn, in this episode. I mean, really, come on, guys. Let's not rehearse. I mean, I know that Walking Dead is a very superior show and plot, actors, everything, but do we have to use the same plot lines? Come on. And while you would think that a lot of the things, I mean, obviously the other side of the continent is where this show is taking place rather than where Herschel was, so you would think that maybe people are thinking the same kind of things. Yeah. But that's enough.

Yeah. Okay, this episode, though. Yeah, I mean, so it started off. Okay. Okay. Did it start off with the church or to start off on the boat? Did it start off on the church first? Yeah, start off on the church first. The church. Okay, so I actually liked that style because I was like, what the heck is going on here?

And I was kind of getting into, you know, this like I felt like this apocalyptic vibe. I know. And I enjoyed the sermon, by the way. Yeah, yeah. Sermon was good. I did not see the eyes bleeding thing. Oh, yeah, the poison? I had no idea what that was. Now, I knew they were giving the body of Christ and everything, but...

They made too big a deal of having the waivers. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. For the body, you know, for taking sacrament. They did. They made too big a deal of that for me not to think that that's what it was. It's true. So there was, my first thought was, whoa, are they doing some kind of like stigmata type thing going on here? Is that what's going on?

And then, but then I was like you. I was like, okay, yeah, they did make way too big of a deal of them kneeling down. and taking that. Yeah. The sacrament was just way, it was too focused. It was to everybody making such a big focus out of it, that that had to have been the issue.

Yeah. Especially then we realized, looking back, why our man came charging up, racing up, hoping to. Yeah. I think it felt like he was trying to stop it or something. Yeah, can we, so Thomas, yeah, coming up and trying to stop it.

So can we address this really quick before we go further? Address anything you'd like. Great, because- Why the hell do they have somebody with an English accent, pretending like he's a Mexican who grew up in Mexico? Can we address that? That irritates the crap out of the earnest. Did I say we can address anything? No, we can't address that.

That is such, that is so irritating to me. He's not even trying. He's not even trying. It's straight up like, you know, a bloke, you know, hey, guvna. I'm like, dude, you're Mexican. At least try and pretend. God, roll your R's or something. Which kind of leads me back to the theory of the Brad Staggs theory.

We just have to put something together. It was a contract. We couldn't get out of it. So here you go. Oh, you think it's bad? No, we think it's great. At least cast it. There's a lot of good Mexican actors that are in L.A.,

which is with our filming this, I guess. Oh, my gosh, I know. Come on. You could have done better than that. Yes, you could have. Yes, you could. You watched Univision in the morning. They grab one person off the Univision Morning show you're good.

Come on. Anyway, that's, anyway, that's not even nitpicking because that's just so blatantly stupid. But anyway. So then we see Thomas who got bitten, right? We didn't see him get bit. We kind of figured he would get bit there when he was messing around at the church. I guess the priest bit him. I guess that's what we're to guess.

Yeah. When we put his arm around the priest, we're to guess that that's what happened. I mean, I don't know. Yeah, but even getting there, I was like, so even before we. see that when they're like they get through the whole thing they you know they they they fight their way through the little blockade they get to the coast they finally get to uh the con oh okay oh my well I'm getting ahead of myself they come up to the to the village and they come up to that church where we saw in the very beginning right big pile of bodies and finally what we get is a is a is a good

walker scene you know a walker battle scene I was digging it yeah it felt good and you and they were went screaming up around the church hollering you know hollering and even uh while I while I while she is really rubbing me on the wrong side Madeline or Madison. Madison. She even realizes, hey, let's not be hollering.

Yeah. How about we tone the whole holler noise down? Yeah. And here comes, you know, of course, then that brings the small herd. Yeah. I knew that they were setting up from like a scene right

before that where Chris is having that at a conversation with Travis and how they're like alluding to the fact that we have got to talk about. There's like there's sides being taken and and that Madeline has it out for Chris or Madison, you got me saying Mel.

Madison has it out for Chris. So I knew they were setting something up in this episode. I didn't think that he was going to go all, hey I'm just going to, you know, the biggest douchebag move I think of the whole show so far and stand back and hope that his stepmother gets eaten by a zombie. I don't know. I thought that was a good move. Well

like we were saying last week, I want Madison to die. I thought that was good. But still, they're turning this kid. And he froze. I didn't see it that way. Your Honor, he froze. That was his excuse.

He told Alicia he froze. I know, but he totally watched. He was getting rid of opposition. He absolutely was. Getting rid of her. No question. And I was like, wow. So where they're taking this character now is full on nemesis mode.

Like they're saying this kid, up to be a nemesis to the group. Like at this point, I don't know how he continues to move on. They address it later on in the episode, and I thought that it was a very good argument that Travis brings up because he's like, look. Yeah, I've been with you all along. Yeah, I've been with you for all the Nick stuff. All of it. All of it. Very good argument. That was an excellent argument. At that point, he kind of changed my mind. I was like, okay, I was all on the Madison train right there where she was like, yeah, you got to do something about it. And he's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, chick.

Right. Take a step back, you know, step back. Yeah, so he changed my mind a little bit up until one of the final scenes of the show, which we can get to in a second. But then, I don't know. He moves on. He threatens Alicia. Well, I mean, what's he going to do? Alicia, first of all, Alicia's being way, I mean, she's pissed.

She's pissed that she, you know, that he, you know, that he. She saw what she saw, and that was him standing there watching, waiting for the walkers to chew up mom. So she's pissed. But on the other hand, he knows that she can't say anything. He can't because he's already on the outs. He knows that, right? So if she says something, he's doomed forever.

Yeah. And so, you know, he's got to try to put an end to that. So that threat was, I feel, was a minor-needed threat. And, of course, she goes brine into mommy. Yeah. Instead of taking it, instead of stepping up like I thought she was at the boat, at the ship last week, and this bad. She's not.

You go, Mommy, grinned threat me. Oh, shut up. But now we're moving, I mean, so we're moving past just, I thought they were setting this up to be like, it's a dysfunctional family. It's a blended dysfunctional family. And they're like, they're just having that storyline play out. I was like, okay, fine, that's what you're doing. But towards it, but when he threatened Alicia right there, I saw that as a huge thing.

And then when, at the end, when he sneaks into their bedroom and he's holding the knife for scissors or whatever. That wasn't to kill them, though. So, such a confusing scene. And again, I don't know if the writer's meant for it to be confusing. Because, like, he sneaks into the room, which is what are you going to do, sneaking into the room to begin with? Are you going there to talk to them? And then he, like, saw the knife and was like, oh, maybe I'll do this. And then he had second thoughts or whatever.

And then, because they did leave it to where it was like kind of one of those, oh, I have an explanation for this. But then they just runs off. Well, they heard the gunshot, right? That's how he got caught was the gunshot. And then Elise wakes up and screams, starts hollering, get out, get out. Oh, my God. She should have stabbed her right in the head right then.

But that haven't been said, they're not going to do that because she looks a lot better than the kid. Well, that's storyline. I'm very curious on how far they take it. Will next episode and next couple episodes, they better pick up the base. They redeem him a little bit and he'll have an explanation for himself or whatever. If they're not,

then they're setting him up for full-on nemesis mode where he leaves the group or something like that, which I wouldn't be opposed to because I don't really like the character anyway. Yeah, no, I know. And we may end up seeing him hook up with our girl back at the boat and they can go kill people and be mad at the world. Yeah.

And then you have, I'm not sure how we're supposed to be taking, but every time Nick meets somebody new, he's like this enlightened, you know, great person who with a good heart and able to do everything. I think I get the feeling that we're kind of setting him up to be actually the worst of them all. He's just going to kill everyone. Nick? Yeah.

Nick is like Madison made that point when Nick was talking to Celia, when she's all cooking him the psole, that she goes, well, I think she said impressionable or something like that. Yeah, she said that. So basically, anybody that wants to make him do what they want to do, you know, they'll be able to do. He'll be, he's a follower. Yeah, that's what she thinks. But he does seem, they kind of made him, they wrote him like that this episode.

Because then he was actually, I felt he was actually starting to believe this weird theory on life that Celia had about these walkers. Which, anyway, well, first of all, that compound was not a good. all what I expected to be, where Sillian and Thomas's family is from. I thought it was going to be this cartel group or whatever. I did too. Well, it is kind of, I think. But it's, well, you still think some kind of cartels I think? I'm just, she is the big boss.

Well, she's like weird, man. Yeah, she's the big boss bitch. So like Herschel, switching gears over to the Walking Dead, he didn't want to kill Walkers because he was like, oh, with their family and maybe we'll come up with a cure at some point. Yeah, we can fix them. She's not like that. She is like, hey, this is the way of the world now.

Let's basically kill everybody or help everybody off because we're all going to end up this way anyway. So that's the way I was taking it. So she was like, so all the people that we know, all of our family here from this compound, I'll help them along. They'll either die on their own or I'll help them to die. And then we'll just lock them up so the people outside can't kill them

because this is the new way of the world. That sounds about right. She is psycho. She's crazy. So they're borrowing from. the Walking Dead plot line, but they're just injecting this Celia crazy theory about... We're going to have to kill her, right? We're going to have to kill her because...

She's going to die. We're going to have to kill her because she's going to be pissed that Strand didn't die with her boy. Yeah, that's another thing. I thought that maybe Strand was like... He's obviously invested in this Thomas relationship. So he's full... I thought that he might be playing Thomas. And he was...

You know what I mean? Like, he had something else going on here. No, he was invested. But he killed him and we're good. That's over. But he couldn't bring himself to kill himself. Yeah. So, you know, he's going to have to deal with Mommy.

And what was the deal with Mommy and Daniel? There was a scene where she called him an old man. And there was a scene there where it seemed like they knew one another. Oh, really? I got the impression that they knew one another. Interesting. I didn't. I don't know what it was.

It was the impression where he. came walking in and she ended up calling him an old man and walked away or whatever, but it just seemed like there was something there, and I'm not sure what it was. That's an interesting theory. I didn't really think that at the time. She did, like, I don't know if my guess would be that she's more like she understands him. Flirting or something with him. I think she understands who he is.

Like, she sees like death in his eyes, basically. Right. So she's, I mean, he speaks her language. It's kind of a flirting thing. she's a badass, he's a badass, we're just kind of, you know, we're walking along the same planks. And she, I get that. And she mentioned, you have, I think, was it a direct line or implied, but she was

like, you have to come to grips with the death in your life, basically. Basically, I took that as the people you've killed. That's how I took it. Right. And it's definitely something weird going on. And speaking of weird, what is up with the owl thing? You know, I mean, when I first saw that coin, I was like, okay, it's weird, but I didn't really think too much of it, but then when Ophelia and Nick are down there praying. It's the family

crest or whatever, right? So why is Nick staring at this thing and having visions? I don't know. You know, listen, look. So much implied spirituality in this. It was just weird. Yeah, and I'm not really sure about the implied spirituality of the owl, although I'm not, I mean, it's, I have to, I'd have to actually look it up and see what it all means. I mean, I had an aunt that was a big owl freak that collected owls from all over the world. And, you know, I mean, I don't know that it meant anything other than she liked owls. And look, there's another wooden cut out of an owl. That was three and a half feet tall.

Look at that one. That was only an inch high. So I'm not sure if there was any spiritual tie to them. I have no idea where they're going. I really don't. And I had no idea why Nick had his little epiphany while listening to. You know, when they first had Ophelia and Nick going off, I was like, hey, they're moving that relationship. along, you know, he's hooking it up or something.

Right. Which they still might be. They kind of actually hinted that a few times. They've had their little conversations. Yes, they did. And that's what I thought, you know, he would at least, thanks for coming out here with me, Nick. No problem. Can we go have sex now?

Yeah. I mean, I don't come to church for this. For a walk in the olive fields, okay? And that might have been where it was going if he didn't have his weird little flashback and got all freaked out. I know. I know. But now, all right, before we leave you,

and this is, of course, Talking Fear on the Blaze Radio Network, Jeff Fisher, Jason Buttrill, I'll bring us in some other guests. Aaron Hernandez likes to join us from time to time. Although, you know, he's ticking me off, but that's another story. But we've got, I've got a few other people

here in the building as well that are always after me to come on on the podcast and talk to you and talk to us. And every time we are putting it together, they're just a little too busy. So, you know what? We're just a little too busy for them. Screw them.

Okay? Yeah, that's right. We're here for you. They aren't. That's all I'm saying. Now, this episode, season two, episode six, I am not quite sure, but every time I get the feeling that they're starting to get a grasp on, hey, this is the way it is. and if someone has become dead or undead, we have to kill them all.

No questions asked. You're not a killer. That's what has to happen. All of a sudden, they slam on the brakes and make it seem like they haven't come to grips with that yet. And I keep going back to that California liberal mindset that, you know, I mean, Madison is just driving me in a second. Yeah.

Just drive me in a second. And dad is kind of there, but he's, that is almost over it, I think. I think he's just about there to where this is the way it is and I've moved on. I'm just tired of the lazy story. I see this is lazy storytelling. So we've seen that plotline played out before. But I don't know why, why redo it? I get it.

It's something you have to learn in this world in zombie land here. But I don't know why we have to relive. We as an audience already know that. I don't want to see them play it out in a different way between this group. I want to see something different. Right. You know, and it doesn't matter if you have some cool visual stuff, like the beginning church scene and if, you know,

and then you spice it up with the Herschel plot line, but you just have a crazy celia there that's poisoning people with, you know, cyanide-laced bodies of Christ. I don't, it's just lazy storytelling. I mean, get to, I don't know, I just feel like we had such a cool, couple of episodes. And to me...

Then to throw this... Then the slamming at the brakes on with this one? Yeah. It was just a step back, in my opinion. It's like you tried to make it cool, but you did a step back. But anyway, next week, I see they're going to have to deal with Celia.

Celia's going to have to deal with them. You know who else is going to be a badass, too? It was the first lady that they met when they came onto the property, the helper. Oh, the nurse? The helper lady, the head lady of... Yeah, she wasn't a nurse. The head cooking,

bottle washer. She was, you know, the one that took the weapons. Yeah, yeah, she's going to be one to deal with. Yeah, yeah, she was giving me some weird vines. This ain't no party with her, bro. All right.

But it's like, I kind of want to see the plot line of them taking this compound over themselves. They have a lot of people to go through. Yeah, I know. If they can take this compound, but again, that puts us in Walking Dead plot lines again.

It sure does. I don't want to keep saying this or harping on it, but you're supposed to be, in a city. That was the whole point of this in a massive city. Okay. You done? Done.

Okay. Talking fear. See you next week. Jason Butchell, Jeff Fisher, from the Blaze Radio Network.