Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - Jeffy's Corner: Talking Fear 2 - 7 Mid Season Break

Episode Date: May 23, 2016

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You're listening to the Jeff Fisher Show. So this was episode seven of season two, which also was the mid-season finale of Fear, the Walking Dead, which kind of threw me off guard with the mid-season finale because I'm not really sure that the show has worked up enough love for me to. say it's okay to have a mid-season break. But they didn't ask. So we'll still talk about it. All right, Jason Buttrill, Jeff Fisher, talking a little fear of The Walking Dead. What you think? What's funny is I didn't even notice that it was the mid-season finale until, like, later on in Twitter.

I was like, what? It's been that hard for me to get over or get through all of this. much less to anticipate like any kind of thing like a mid-season finale. I know. So when is this coming back? Do we know that? We do. When is it coming?

You want me to tell you? Tell me. August. Okay. So it's the end of August. So apparently it looks like what they're saying is that it will time out with the end of fear and go right into the beginning of walking. Serious? Walking is, you know, October, end of October.

Wow. so you know fear will time out right to then now they originally the first date I saw uh looks like they would time out where the final week would if you go by what walking dead has done in the past uh that the final week would be the same week as the first week of walking yeah so and i then uh then they and they didn't say anything about that in the t's obviously AMC has not said anything, but I was thinking that they actually might do that and coincide with the end of fear

and the premiere of walking. And AMC would probably win the month with just that one night because you'd catch the finale of two for fear and then seven for walking on the same night. Back to back. Oh my gosh. At this point, I mean,

it seemed like fear was riding on the coattels of Walking Dead and the only reason it has viewership is because the Walking Dead legacy. Now it's almost like, and this goes into tying it with leading up to the next show, I'm almost like, you kind of want to put your distance from this show. I don't disagree with that.

I was thinking the same thing. You don't want these two shows compared next to each other. That's how bad this is getting. It's almost hard not to compare them, right? I mean, that's part of the deal. It's AMC. It's the Walking Dead, it's fear of the Walking Dead,

and how it was, you know, promoted. Yeah. And by at least grabbing on to some of the coattails of walking to at least get the ball rolling for them. But as we've stated on this podcast numerous times, it really is struggling. And, you know, this episode, they actually started to take some of our advice and at least are breaking the teams up a little bit, it looks like, and we'll still be able to have, now we're going to have it looks like three, right? We're going to have Madison, and then we're going to have hubby and the boy, and then we're going to have the boat people. Strand and.

No, Strand is with Madison. We're going to have the boat people, the girl that we cut off back in San Diego, right? I wouldn't just call her the boat people. Yeah. Yeah, I tell you what, it's been laborous for me to get through this because I've been waiting for them to develop the characters. And I was like, you know, if they've developed the characters in a good way, I can get into this show. But it's like, I don't know, it's like they were listening to our podcast and they tried too hard.

And so now they're trying to overdevelop these characters, it seems like, like, I mean, so let's take, for example, like Nick. So I started off hating him. That lasted a long time. I wanted him to straight die. I did not want to see him in another episode. then it went to oh wait he's kind of like turning into one of the coolest guys on the show yeah well you know remember that uh he was on the hate list through all of season one and um through the first two or three of two of this season until he uh got um walker flage yeah right

until he discovered Walker Flodge. Trademark. And then he, and then we just, he kind of turned his, uh, likability around for the cause. He was like,

they, they were transforming him from the first episode of season two. Like, remember when he went and rescued everybody on the beach and you got the, the boat engine to the face on one of those, on one of the walkers. And I was like, bang.

And then slowly, but surely they started taking him and make him into something cool. Every once in a while he'd take a step back, like when he was, do that with everyone. Yeah, but it's so psychotic with Nick. So psychotic. So now he's completely regressed.

I don't mean that in a good way. That's what I mean they've been doing that with everyone in the show. Oh, no, totally. They start taking those extra steps and then it's like, oh, nope, you're getting too good. Yeah. And I was really liking him. But now since he's all on the board with the Celia, I have respect for the Walker's type thing, which it does not make any sense.

whatsoever. So first of all, it reminds me of like, I remember the O.J. Simpson trial where it just seemed ludicrous for like, they were like, oh yeah, these cops, you know, they framed him and they had buckets of blood where they were just like trailing off all over L.A. I mean, when you thought about it, it was ridiculous. Well, apparently, even though Nick is all about the respect for the walkers, he has buckets and buckets of Walker guts and blood that he can just apply at the drop of a hat. Oh, but he has full respect for him. But he always shows up out of nowhere drenched in Walker blood. And we saw how he gets, how he makes his Walker flage.

Yeah. Right? He kills them. He does them. Got some. Got some. Walker flages himself walks among them. But.

So that's how much respect he has. So I don't understand. You just, it's just bad storytelling. It's bad writing. It's like he's two different people, but they're force feeding you into this, this character arc. And it just does not make any sense. Okay. So issued.

number one with character there issue number two with me and this is a good rant because it's a midseason finale daniel one of the coolest characters on the show jephy we love him right right and all of a sudden now he's crazy yeah all of us sudden it was so forced where'd this come from he you only got one glimpse that he was having problems and that was when he woke up from that nightmare in this episode it's just out of nowhere so so he has okay all right let's stop for a second he's the kind of guy that we've had the idea that he's done a bunch of things that you can see him waking up with a nightmare every now and then remembering some you know some horrific thing that he did okay well he's already he's old enough now he's come to grips with those nightmares he has him he wipes just one of his brow and he moves on yeah

I mean you it makes for good TV to see his dreams to see his nightmares he wakes up wipes the sweat of his brow a moves on no no we don't have that he's got to be losing his mind come on now it's so so forced and so out of nowhere

this guy that's been like forged into a you know a calculating weapon since he was obvious since he was like 10 years old or whatever suddenly has a mental breakdown and he's hearing his dead wife seeing all the dead people that he's killed out of nowhere and by the way I might add um

that's what I was jumped out at me watching the show when he started talking to the dead wife when he started hearing the dead wife remember last week

when we talked about fear just recreating what Walking Dead had done because what's her face had the walkers in the cage same storyline and you know he we had the barn geez wasn't Rick talking

to his dead wife. He sure was. Seeing his dead wife and having her come back for all this time when they were together. Oh, that's right. He was. Exactly.

Oh, my gosh. Same crap. Same stuff. I mean, you notice the end? Okay, so let's skip ahead to the end of the show. They're leaving the Sicilia's area. Do you not want me to say this yet?

No, that's fine. Yeah, yeah. No, I was just thinking that, by the way, the only good thing to come up that is that Rick actually, that helped Rick in the long run. So maybe that will help Daniel in the long run. Yeah.

Well, and again, they kind of left it open. Like, you kind of assume that he's dead, but you didn't, you didn't see a body, you didn't see a walker or nothing. You know, you didn't see what's her face in that group either. Yeah, you didn't. Celia. Yeah, I expected him to see her in there. Yeah.

But anyway, when they left, they left with the entire place up in flames. There's massive amounts of walkers coming. Yeah. Same thing that happened to Herschel's farm. Yep. Exactly. Oh, my gosh. Not only did you have to copy the overall plot line of the Herschel Celia Walker mentality.

You have to also have the team destroy the sanctuary and end with them rolling out in a truck. I think they even drove off in a truck away from a burning down sanctuary thing. You've got to be kidding me. Exactly the same. Was that the midseason finale as well when they left? It could have been. I think it was. I think it was.

I think it was. That's so ridiculous. That's so lazy AMC. That's so lazy and stupid. But anyway, back to Celia's death. Madison actually was ticking up, actually, on my likability scale. Oh, yeah. She finally had the balls to do something hardcore,

just protect her family and got rid of Celia. It was a good move. I wanted Celia to die so badly. I just didn't know how it was going to happen. That was a good move. But having, and you knew it was going to happen, too. When she opened the cage up and they started walking in, I was like, oh, my God. You know, there was no mystery there.

You knew exactly what happened. Wouldn't we do anything for our children? Yeah, exactly. That part right there. Yes, we would. Yes, we would. Oh, dude. I was like, yeah.

Yeah, that was great. That was great. Yeah. I'll give her that. She did move up the rung of the ladder, a few rungs. A few rungs, no doubt. My problem with her is she's still just kind of pouty. And I don't know.

I just, I like. She's still west. Coast teacher, man. They still have that. They need to get, she needs to lose that quick. Yeah. Weren't you a teacher?

Yep, that was another lifetime ago. Move on. It's sad, too, because I like that character. She's been in a lot of good movies or... Really good stuff. TV shows.

Like, she was in... Oh, the Sons of Anarchy. She was in that, and she was really good. She was in some HBO... I can't remember the name of that movie, or show, but... Anyway, she's been a lot of stuff.

Yeah, she worked in the latest house of cards as well. What she really? Yeah, she's one of the reporters. Oh, that's right, it's right, that's right. That's right. Anyway, no, I like her. Yeah, she's done a lot of good work. But, so that's, but again, that shows you that these writers are just off the rocker.

Right. Even, even actresses or actors that have done well in the past cannot make it work in this show. And is this not the ultimate tee-up show, too? You've got the Coat Tales of Walking Dead. The fan base is built in for you. Already there for you. Already there. So, dying to want something to be involved in.

And if you can't. make it work, you've got some serious problems. It almost makes you believe that they don't want to make it work. Back to that theory. I know, but you know. Yeah. We'll see. And then we, okay, so this episode,

then we've got them all split up. Chris and Chris runs off. Travis runs off after him, barefoot like an idiot. So Chris has just completely lost it. Now, I get the decision that Travis made where he saw his son taking a little like seven-year-old boy hostage, he knew that there

was no going back for Chris. He could not take him back. No, he could not bring Chris back. So it's all, it's this, it's this conundrum I was thinking about it. I was like, well, what do I what would I do in his position? I'd probably go back to my wife and well, no, I guess he doesn't have any natural kids. He doesn't have any kids with them. No, with her. Chris is the only one. I don't know. It's a rough, it's a rough, it's a rough decision. And he's feeling bad about not being there. Yeah, because he probably hasn't been a father to him for the past three. That's what he said, right?

He had to be with, I got to be with Chris. I guess, but I knew at that moment that there's no way Travis could take him back to the rest because he's a danger to everyone at this point. But now it's just like, I don't know what, I know that we were kind of looking towards that plot line of splitting the group up somehow, but I don't, I don't know, I don't know how you can get everyone back together after all this. Well, I don't know that either, except that I kind of expected what I thought was going to happen was that he would, he decided that he wasn't going to go back and he was going to stay with Chris and that the father of the little kid would kill Chris. Yeah. And just say, no, no, he threatened my son and you're not going to keep him around here. And so I killed him. Sorry about that. Peace.

When Nick found him and he looked over his shoulder and you saw Chris walking up, I was like, is he a walker? I don't know why, but I thought that he might have gotten killed. Yeah, I actually thought it because when he started walking up from a distance, I thought it was going to be like the slow, you know, development. He walks over and he's all like, ugh. For a second, I thought that because that was just the dilemma I had my head. I didn't know how they were going to rectify this in the storyline. I did not actually see them splitting that family up like that extreme. Yeah, I didn't either.

So I've got to bring them back. They've got to bring them back together. They'll come back. Daniel. They can't survive without him. No, he's Mr. Fix it. He's McGiver. Yeah, he's the McGiver.

Yeah, he's the McGiver of the group. Daniel, I think, will end up probably making another appearance. Do you think so? Yes. Oh, my gosh. I hope so. He was the only, he was the saving grace of that shows. Why wouldn't they show his actual death?

They implied it. With the flames going up and everything and him being there, but they didn't show it. No, I get the feeling that he is going to be in that fire, and you're going to see him all of a sudden snap out of it and go, I got to get out of here. Maybe even seeing Celia in there as well. Yeah, where she turns the corner and it's her,

whatever, something happens that he's got to get out of there and he survives. Yeah, I agree. He's a survivor. I'm sorry. is and that character cannot go away. Yeah. And there's just, there's too much backstory on him.

Uh, the actor is just really good. Um, right. He's done an, he's done an awesome job this, this season. I don't see how,

he's not like, we talk about your tier two or your B level characters in the walking dead. And it's kind of, it's kind of funny to, I, I, I've compared him to like the, you know,

the black guy on start, the Star Trek away party. Yeah, yeah, always the new guy that shows up. Yeah. He's going to, he's going to go down. Uh,

the, the, the B characters in the Walking Dead, they're going to die. Daniel is not a B character or a tier two character. Or he's not that random guy on the away team. Not anymore. He's owned that show.

Yeah, he's one of the main guys. So, yeah, I think he'll come back. The problem is it's so funny is that the characters are also weak. There's like literally, there's only like two or three characters if I could say are like alpha level characters, tier one characters.

The rest of them can all die. And they, and really part of the problem with this, with fear, is that even the tier one, with the exception of maybe Daniel and maybe Daniel. I think I'm leaving Daniel all by himself. The other, in parentheses, tier ones,

if they died, you'd go, eh. Yeah. Well, they could have killed Madison, and I would have been fine with it. Seriously. And you know they're not. for some reason, they're not going to kill her. No, she's, they've...

They're setting her up, sure. But still, I mean, if they wouldn't have written Daniel so stupidly in this episode, like just having this all of a sudden mental breakdown, I would... I mean, I guess, my point is,

they were, they set me, they are setting the audience up to accept his fate at the end of this. But it was just so forced and unnatural. It was just like, oh, we got to kill somebody. this is a good plot line, let's do it, and we'll just completely change the way he is in this one episode. Right.

I don't remember a show where it's this hard to pin down who the characters are and what they stand for. And it's getting harder and harder. Let's say to remember it's coming back on in August. Yeah. Fear, I love you, baby. But I don't know that I would have taken this long a break. I think maybe perhaps you might have thought about

not taking this long a break. And like maybe you took a break now and you come back after, I don't know, July 4th, maybe. Have we, sorry, I have to switch subjects here for a time. Have we ever seen a Walking Dead season? Let's just compare it to the Walking Dead. There has such a small amount of walker battle scenes or just showed walkers in general. Like, I almost feel like I could count the amount of walkers we've seen in season two on my hands. you know, we probably could if we sat down and looked at the episodes.

There's been no large herds, which that was, that was, that was, there was a large herd on the beach, right, with the plane crash. That was a, I wouldn't even call that a herd. There was more numbers than we've seen on the show. Right. But that wasn't a herd. Like, either one of the, no, no, that wasn't a herd. Some of the craziest scenes in the Walking Dead were these massive amounts of herds.

Yeah. Of walkers, thousands of them out there. Their argument to that would probably, you know, being, looking at it from their side is that it's new, right? They're new. I don't know. I was going to say budget. I don't think they have the budget to pull it off. Oh, that's very possible. But most of the, most of the, well, even with the green screen and the CGI that still cost money.

Yeah. And that might be the reason why they took it out of the cities to begin with, because that meant more CGI, more green screen, more renting out parts of the city, you know, paying permits and all that stuff. Which California, I don't love you. That's one of the problems why you don't ever get action out there anymore because it's too dang expensive to do anything out there. They tax the crap out of you. I lived there for several years, and in the film industry, too, you can't get anything done because it's so expensive. But I would not be surprised if they were like, oh, this is when they first came up with the concept, yeah, you know, zombie apocalypse in a city. And they were like, oh, crap, this is very expensive.

Okay, let's go out to the ocean. Let's get way to hell away from the city. No permits out here. We don't need them. We're filming in international waters. Yeah. But that's what it feels like. I get the impression that what they wanted to do was,

not doable after they saw the budget and the viewership being low on the first season. So they were like, we can't pull it off. So they said, screw it. Let's take parts of what made Walking Dead, you know, popular, which was some of the, you know, just rehashing some of the plot lines and having this band of heroes that are out in the wilderness. It's like they're trying to copy it now. They had it, they had a model. They wanted to do it. They don't have the budget to pull it off. So they said screw it and they abandoned it all. Actually, that's the reason. That's exactly what it is.

That's exactly what it is. All right, so since we solved that, before we say goodbye to this mid-season finale, we'll talk a little bit about coming up in the next, let's see, three or four weeks here on the Jeff Fisher Show podcast on the blaze.com slash radio. Look for, I think we're going to put together, maybe we'll do a thing, future. dead and you and i talk to aaron hernandez who's joined us here before but who's that guy we'll talk to pat gray oh we'll talk to uh brad stags and uh maybe we'll do a little future dead and we'll find out you know what they see how they enjoyed the first half what they see for the future of walking dead coming up in october and a little something to get us through the summer anyway right

instead of just uh you know twiddling their thumbs going man i wish they would have made that better I've got some theories on who naked killed too, and I cannot wait to go through these with you guys. Tell you what, they get pretty conspiratorial and insane, but they're fun. I'm ready to do that right now. Yeah, that sounds more interesting than what we've been talking about over the past few weeks.