Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - Jeffy's Corner : Talking Walking Dead 614

Episode Date: March 21, 2016

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You're listening to the Jeff Fisher Show. Welcome to it. This is Talking Walking Dead on the blaze.com slash radio. Jeff Fisher here, Jason Buttrill, Aaron Hernandez, and you guessed it another week of Walking Dead. Yeah. So we'll do the roundtable. We'll do the roundtable. Since I have an idea of where Jason lands on this week's episode, we'll start with Aaron.

Oh. Well, I just watched it and, whoa, I am blown away. Let's just start off with crotch biting. Right? Come on, baby. Yeah, that's a move. That's a Rick Grimes move right there. That's taking lessons from Rick Grimes.

That was so beyond intense and not expected. How was he going to? Oh, that's how we got out of it. Oh, literally. Every fiber of my bean hurt right there in that moment. Okay. And I actually had to pause and write this quote. So I have a running tally now of Abraham quotes because they crack me up.

He did the Bisquick baby one. Yeah, yeah. He had a couple that he tried last night too. But he goes, this is after Eugene's laying in bed. He goes, I am sorry for questioning your skills. You knew how to bite a D, Eugene. I mean, I mean that with the utmost respect. I love it.

They're back and forths. I love their back and forth. Actually, any time you have back and forth with Eugene, because you know something crazy is about what you said. Right. I love it. I love it. This episode was, you know, it started out.

I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. And it set up a number of things for the future that are going to be good and bad, which, you know, obviously is why we like the show. But we had, you know, it showed the mundane existence in Alexandria that that they have. Yeah. You know, that day to day doing the same thing.

I have a running tally of shows of The Walking Dead that I just want to punch in the face. And this one made the list. Oh, come on. No. No. You could say, we had that conversation off the year earlier that, you know, they do some of these like in-between episodes or you know. I mean, that's a polite way to say filler episode. Yeah, but this is more of just a filler.

Yeah. Well, okay, so you knew that they were setting something up because, like you said, it was very mundane. It was not only, it was a mundane episode. Well, they tried to show you the mundane existence that they were having day to day inside of Alexandria. Okay, so point number one, why are you mundane when you know, okay, so did they not take Primo and his dead body to the hilltop community? Not only to, I mean, for anything else but to prove that they actually took Negan out because they thought that they took Negan out. Did they not do that? Obviously not because things went very mundane. Yeah, they would have known that it wasn't.

They would have known. So they didn't do that. So did they not have to bring any proof that they completed the task that they got paid for? The Hilltop just believes you? Come on, man. That was the biggest thing. I was expecting the episode to pick up back at the Hilltop community with him saying, here's Negan.

And they're like, no, he's not. And then things get tense. That's what I was expecting. I wasn't expecting life as usual, you know, very mundane to happen. Right. That was my biggest issue right off the bat. I'll give you that So then

You're winning me over almost Okay okay So then This they I hate it when they do Decidedly stupid stuff So Denise wanted to

Go gallivanting around Out in Zombie Land Your only doctor And you guys are like I felt like To be honest I actually felt like Rick would be

Was going to be really pissed about that For that reason Wouldn't he have to approve That type of stuff Because while Darrell, you know, is part of the inner circle, you know, no question, and he can make some decisions on his own, no question. I felt like that was a decision that he wouldn't have made. Yeah.

He would have said no. And he did. And then he got feeling nice again and wanted her to prove her point and all that stuff. No. It's not happening. I love that she got them some new meds. It was good thinking. That was great thinking.

But the whole thing of her going out on a first run, quite a ways, shopping, you know, out scavenging. Yeah, no. To me, this was the equivalent of, oh, how do I say this? So, like, when the black guy joined the away party with Captain Kirk, you knew he was going down. Okay, she's not a core character. The moment she decided she wanted to step out and go out galavanning in Zombie Land,

I was like, oh, she's done. Right. Chalk it up now. Dig her grave now because she's done. Right. She was the black guy on Kevin Kirkson away, too. I knew she was going down. Also, I felt like, I don't know, I'm getting,

Daryl's confusing me. His character's really confusing me because he, I know. And he, because at, you know, one point is not going to be the, we've got to welcome new people in, God. and we're going to be the I should have killed him guy. And then on the other point, he's being Mr. Well, okay, if that's what you want to do, we'll do it. It's fine.

I'm okay because he took her out. And then as we go on, he sticks to his guns at the beginning. No tracks. You knew it was going to be bad. You knew it was going to be a bad decision after they got the meds. They set it up. When he said this way it's faster, right? You knew it was going to be mad because he went against his rule.

of no freaking tracks. What the heck, Darrell? Right? You knew right? It really, really made me angry with him. You knew right there. Something bad doesn't happen. Yes, absolutely.

Well, I feel like that's been the theme of the show, right? It's that there's been all these characters kind of fighting the people that they've becoming, you know, with that line. You know, I should have took him out. And then, you know, he is confusing. He is trying to confuse people because he's like, well, is he trying to save people or is he trying to take people out? but I feel like that's kind of the running theme of this season is people having the inner conflict and fighting their inner demons in this new world.

No question. And building off of that, I want to go back to like one of the first scenes or the first five minutes when Morgan is setting up, is building the jail. Yeah, yeah. You know, and then,

but Rick is looking at him like he's an idiot. So Rick has already made that turn towards, you know, let the bodies hit the floor type. But that's his mantra now. So he is not even, he's like, no, we'll kill them.

That's obviously, you know, so you see, so Rick is, he's completely gone in that direction. Carol is taking a left turn and going completely opposite of how she has been. And she's having these moral questions. And Darrell is too. Now, that's what scares me. Darrell and Carol, I think might be some of the huge upsets that we have come finale time. I don't think, well, yeah, let's talk about that in a little bit. We will talk about finale death.

But I will say that I don't think Daryl has a question about killing people. I think Daryl has a question of once you're on, you know, it's like when he said to the doc, sounds like we had the same brother. I think he's, you know, once you're on the inside with him and you're, you know, you're part of Daryl's day-to-day life, then he loses, he lets his guard down a little and starts to feel sorry for you or wants you to be happy, you know, I want you to like him, and we're still friends.

And yeah, I'll take you out. Okay. I know we shouldn't, but okay. I'm just getting this, like, I don't know, like he's reached that screw at point. You know what I mean? Like, he's not, I don't know. I had that feeling especially,

he had this look on his face after Denise got nailed with the crossbow bolt arrow. Like, you know, I keep screwing this stuff up. You know what I mean? I don't know, I just got this feeling like he's doubting himself or he's at that point. And not to mention that was his crossbow. Right, right. Right. See, he makes those, yeah, his mistakes are leading to other people's death.

That whole time. He should not have let her go on that mission. His instincts told him not to, but he let her. He should not have given up, given in, and gone down the tracks. His instincts are crying, screaming at him telling him to him. And because he let these people live. Exactly. His crossboat now killed her.

Yep. And he made that quote when he was talking to Carol Smoking the SIG saying, you know, I was like, I should have killed him. So he keeps, he keeps on getting nailed with these, with this like moral title wave here. And yeah, like you said, we'll get into it later. But I fear what happens. If what I think is about to happen to Carol happens, what happens to Daryl? And that worries me about the season finale. Okay, so, Aaron? Yeah, I think I'm going with Jason here I think last episode we were thinking maybe Maggie Might meet the bat of Negan

We didn't see her this week We didn't see her Perhaps it may not be Maggie Perhaps it may be Carol Yeah you know what I'm gonna one up you there Aaron Because this is a note that I jotted down while watching Was it look at the comic nods

That they've been throwing out lately So it's almost like they're I don't know like they're teasing us that they're going to start sticking a lot more towards the plot lines or the significant things that happen in the comics. So Eugene, when he went for the crotch bite move, that was in the comics.

That actually happened in the comics. That was a Rick move. That was a survived. That was a Rick Grimes. I'm not going to die, and I don't care what it takes. Right. I'm not going to die.

True. But my point is that happened in the comics and they're doing those little nods. Now, Dwight's return, he came back with a severely burnt face, which was not there before, but which was in the comics. Okay. So, yeah, I know that I was thinking Maggie last time.

It still might happen. But if they're making all of this huge push now to get back towards the comics, that's not spelling too well for Glenn either. But I just think, I think for this huge impact that we've kind of been teased, it's crazy crap's about to happen, I think we're looking at multiple characters going down. Wow, that's intense. The reason why this episode struck me so much is because it took me for a loop because what I was expecting in the comics did not happen. That arrow, even Dwight said it, I wasn't aiming for her.

In the comic book, Abraham gets the arrow to the head. Interesting. And that's like one of my favorite characters, so I'm over there, you know, I'm sweating. I'm like, no, it's going to happen. And then Olivia bites the dust, which was, You know, I mean, it sucks, not Olivia, Denise, which sucks for her, but, you know, I felt relieved. I know that she was the, you know, the doctor and the medical person and everything, but good riddance. I was tired of her.

I was tired of her from day one. Well, it makes them all the. They kept showing the Alexandria people with their, you know, the food bank and the still fat lady with the garage door opener, opening the garage door where the food is. Stop it. Stop it. It makes them all the more dependent on Hilltop now. So I wonder if that's another thing.

It sure does. It sure does. I wonder if they're going to get more militant and actually take that doctor from Hilltop. I don't know. I wouldn't doubt that. They need it. They definitely need it. And they have a baby coming very, very soon.

Yeah. I mean, they've got two babies that are going to, the cure. The Jeff Fisher plan of the cure. That's right. You can't mess with the babies. All right. All right. All right.

So that's last night. And we ended at the, I found it fascinating that at the end, right, Carol says she's gone. She leaves a new boyfriend, smokes a bag of cigarettes. You found that fascinating? I found it fascinating. Ugh, that was so stupid. But go ahead. Why?

Did you hear? I jot it down another quote for something that Carol said. And I was like, did she say that? And it made no sense to me. And she actually said, I can't love anyone because I. I can't kill anyone. What? I mean,

that could only make sense in Carol's head. I was like, what the heck is going on in your head, girl? It was just stupid to me.

I hate it. I'm not quite sure that that's the exact quote, but I'll take your word for it. That's what it sounded like, and I jotted like, and I jotted down. Maybe I was so pissed and messed it up,

but I'm pretty sure that's what you said. I mean, it's easy enough to find out. But okay, so even if it is that, right, I can't, what is it? I can't love anyone. Right. Because I can't kill anyone, right. So she, because if I love you, that means I'm going to have to kill for you and I don't want to kill anymore. So I don't want to love anyone.

Right. Gotcha. So in her mind, I mean, so I've just, we've been, her story has been so built up in a very good way up up through this season to where I've really like Carol. I've liked the moral thing going on in her head, and I liked how she turned into this ultimate badass. Rick's not going to let her go. Well, I think they've already kicked her out. They're going to go looking for her,

and that's going to lead into people getting caught, or the showdown with Negan in a couple episodes from now. But my personal opinion is that this is setting up to where she gets captured by Negan. She gets killed in a horrible way. Darrell responds, gets killed in a horrible way, and either Maggie or Glenn go down at the same. time. So I'm predicting three people die in the final episode. The season finale of finales. That's my that's my prediction. We'll see it. We'll see you season seven in 10 years

from now. See I was I was really thinking Maggie because I thought that from what we went into last episode. I don't know now because all the nods that I kept, you know, jotting down, all those comic book nods. It's like they're just setting it up for, you know, bat to the face for So how many episodes do we have left, Aaron? Three? Two. Two. Oh.

And perhaps this may be, you know, the red wedding. Right. The Walking Dead. Nice Game of Thrones reference. I thought you liked that. I really do. I think, but it's just setting it up perfectly for Carol to go down. Darrell has those weird, I don't know, moral issues.

I think that he's going to blame himself. And I don't, do you think that Daryl's going to, how do you think he's going to respond to Carol? getting a very, very horrible death. Oh. Badly. Yeah, he will not end well. He's not going to restrain himself.

So I don't see how he comes out of that alive. And I've heard that he's already signed an AMC deal to do another show. He's already doing one, right? The around the country one. Motorcycle? He hasn't started that yet, though, has he? I think so. Oh, really?

Well, he's not, Aaron, he's not a core character in the comics, right? He doesn't exist in the comics. At all. At all. See that? Basically, the only. reason he's around is because he's a fan favorite but he's not canon wise he's not restricted to the show so i i that makes him expendable in my in my view if he's already doing other shows he

he doesn't really have to stick around especially nobody does have to stick around as a fan favorite i mean that's a darrell goes down that's a big that's a big chunk taken out of walking dead well i tell you what if they don't then they run the risk of being one of those shows that's too scared to to kill one of their core core guys And they have not been that so far. The only per, I mean, obviously, we know that we're not going to get rid of Rick. Carl's not going down. Rick's not going down.

And everyone else, I would say, in my mind, is expendable. Yeah. As long as Rick is alive, I would even say just Rick, to be honest with you. Carol, I mean, even Carl is in my mind expendable. But think about that. Us as the audience, we prove that we would be devastated if Glenn goes down. Even though if you read the graphic novels, you know that Glenn goes down. I'm okay with Glenn going.

I'd rather have Glenn than Darrell. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. I don't know. I think, I don't know. I think people would be more devastated if Darrell went down. I agree. I agree.

I agree. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, Glenn can go much easier than Darrell. No question. But he's the only one that people, audiences really do not have any clue on what's going to happen to him. Because he's not in canon. So, I don't know.

If you're thinking about the ultimate, holy crap, did that just happen? Carol gets killed, Glenn gets killed, or Maggie. They're not going to kill Maggie. Maggie's pregnant with the baby. I think I'm actually moving along the lines of Glenn now. This is going back and forth every week. But Glenn... But if they do kill Maggie, you're just going to see how brutal naked really is.

And I think that might be a good move for them. It's a good point. Yeah. I don't know. If we kill us, okay, let's walk down that road then. Let's walk down the road of Maggie. If he kills Maggie and the baby to show how brutally is, does that save the life of a couple other people that you're saying

are going to go as far as the multiple deaths for the finale? If he kills Maggie? No. Maggie is, that's two. Yeah, I don't see how Glenn would get, I don't know. If he's there, I don't see how he survives that. Yeah, they would have to do, they would have to kill Glenn Zee because imagine having your wife and kid murdered in front of you

that dude is going to be the most dangerous person in the face of the planet at that point. Yeah. So then you'd be looking at killing them both off. I don't think so now. I think they're going to stick to canon. I really do. But that means getting rid of Daryl as well because he's not in it. So I think Daryl would go down, Glenn would go down,

and I think Carol is just setting this confrontation up. Her getting captured, I think sets it up. I like that idea. So that's what will happen next episode. So they're going to go off on this massive manhunt to go look for Carol. They're going to go in the middle of all that. They're going to find out that Negan has Carol. That sets up the infiltration for the season finale, which has been leaked now that it's, what, 90 minutes long, which is awesome.

Oh, I'm sure, yeah. 90 minute long season finale culminating at Negan's camp. This is going to be insane. I can't wait. I can't wait. Plus knowing, and we are giving more nods to the comic books, knowing while I have not read them all, I do know a couple people that have read them all.

On this broadcast. And I know that a jail cell plays a role in the future, and that's what Morgan built, right? Oh, really? Yes, it does. So that's another nod to the comic books. Oh, let's hear this. Well, we're not, we're going to, no.

Oh. No. No. I'm not even telling you. You did not. Okay. No. It's very important. Look it up. Look it up. Anyway, so, Aaron, seriously. So that's it. Aaron, you want to add anything more? We're looking at the future? We good?

Look to the future, but I think there will be blood. Yeah. A lot of it. Lots. Significant blood. Tons. Talking, mocking dead.