Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - Jeffy's Corner: Talking Walking Dead - Season Finale 616

Episode Date: April 4, 2016

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You're listening to the Jeff Fisher Show. Welcome to it. Talking, Walking Dead on the Blaze Radio Network, season six finale. Oh my goodness. Yeah, baby. Jason Butchrill, Aaron Hernandez, and myself Jeff Fisher. So...

We're taking shots today. We are. We are taking shots. We are taking shots. Season six, final episode. We have to wait until sometime in the... year 2030 for the next season. That's going to feel like it.

It is going to feel that way. A little bit off the air chat makes me think that two of the three of us had some issues. There are those two could be. Ultimate fanboy Jeffie Fisher is probably not one of those three. You know, there were several parts that I questioned at what they would do. But overall, I thought it was a really good episode. I enjoyed it. Well, check it. I think that it feels like they hired on some, like, additional writers that don't really understand the group and the characters for me over the past few episodes.

I was all in when they're all developing Carol. And, like, they were on this, like, this, I don't know, this, like, trend of blurring the lines between heroes and villains. Right. You know, and it was, I was digging it. You know, I was into it. But then, starting, like, two episodes ago, they started having our heroes do stupid stuff. Yes, they did. Yes, they did, which seems like we talked about to maybe they were trying to just make the characters fit the narrative of the comic book of getting back to it, right?

Right. So case and point, how many people got on board with taking Maggie over to Hilltop? I was counting all of their good, all of their good fighters. I know. I was like, one by one, everyone. One by one is like, okay, Rick, stop. Rick, say no. I'm with you there.

I'm with you there. It was almost like he couldn't say no. But then you're like, okay, well, they're setting up like a big showdown, you know, where our guys are going to go after their guys and it's going to be a good battle. You know, I was thinking, okay, maybe they're setting that up. So I was like, I want to give it the benefit of the doubt. But then Father Gabriel is the guy that Rick's like, oh, yeah, you just, you take care of the community. I'm all good with that, you know, and he's all talking tactically, you know, like, yeah, you know, we're going to get at the rendezvous point, you know.

Well, he's got the plan. He's got the plan. Well, I mean, what's wrong with that thing? Well, they've been teaching him. Rick's been going that through it with them. The problem is it's Father Gabriel. I know, but the left, but, you know, he's... Go ahead.

Go ahead, Aaron. That drove me crazy. I got to get... That threw me crazy because, for Christ's sake, how many times have we heard Rick say, I'm taking no chances. Right. No chances.

And they put Father Gabriel of all people in charge of the whole place. Well, first of all, you got to be kidding me. I believe the quote is, I don't take chances anymore. Come on, man. so then I was all into the episode in the beginning they're going out and they start running into these roadblocks of saviors so the saviors are coming up

now how the heck did the saviors know that they were going to be leaving the community and to set up all these like they went as far as taking that guy and laying him out there like they knew they knew that Rick and the gang were coming that they were on the way so guys this I'm going to

start getting into conspiracy theories here. Okay. All right. Well, I think I'm actually starting it, maybe. So there's a mole in Alexandria. Got to be. I wonder who that could be. So unless...

I think I do too. I'll get to that. But unless the writers just completely went idiot, right? And are just writing this stuff just out of thin air. Which according to you could be possible. Which according to me could be possible. But I'm going to be very disappointed that's the case. Now, there's got to be a reason why the saviors were all out there waiting for them.

Got to be. Now, think about, I'm not buying this Maggie baby thing right now. I mean, that it's her pregnancy that's causing this. I'm starting to doubt that at the moment. Follow me through here. Okay. I think she was poisoned. I think she was poisoned.

And think about the last person that was with her. I know. That's who I'm thinking is the mole. Enid. Yeah, I know. That's who I'm thinking was the mole right off the bat. She's the only one. Bro, she's a mole.

She's the only one, right? She's the one with the slogan, just surveillance. survive somehow? Yep. Out of all. Yes. At any stake, regardless of what happened, you just survive somehow. I think when she was doing one of her trips all along the wall, she got captured by one of the

Saviors. I bet we even start the first episode with a flashback, maybe, of Enid getting caught by the saviors and turned. And having Negan Turner. Right. And she couldn't even have some of our family members in Negan's camp. I don't know. Well, her family member, I think, died right in the car?

Wasn't that the eating the turtle show? where her folks died in the car so she was on her own, right? Yeah. Well, who knows? She might have a long-laws brother or something like that that they've caught. Who knows what they'll pull out. Well, that's possible. But at any rate, I think that she's helping them.

I think that she was relaying back to them all of their plans, and she sprung that trap, and that's what set them out. So I think that... Well, Negan's the one smart enough to say, well, they don't have a doctor anymore, make her sick, and they'll have to go to the hilltop for the doctor. And again, that would have to be conveyed to them that their doctor died. You know what I mean? And that also...

That's what I mean. So that was a setup as well. Shoot the doctor. That's why they didn't shoot Abraham like they were supposed to. You get rid of their doctor. That way they have to travel out to go to Hilltop. That's possible. I mean, you're stretching it for me with that because I think that that was, I think that after the doc died by, you know, it does fit.

But as a coincidence, let's say the doc died, then Negan makes the plan of, well, now they need to go see the doc. You've got to make them go see the doctor. I don't necessarily believe that he was that far out saying we need to kill the doc so that they have to go see the doc. You know what I mean? I don't know. I think once the doc was dead, then you reach the point of, well, now we can act. Yeah.

But I'll give you that. Okay. It goes along with my lines. I'm giving AMC the walking, the benefit of the doubt here. So I'm hoping that they've constructed this plot line that's very, you know, that's layered and we're going somewhere, and it's not just, oh, these random things are happening. I refuse to believe that they were just out there. You mean, you're giving the Walking Dead AMC, the benefit of the doubt,

the same Walking Dead AMC that tagged me in a tweet yesterday just before the show. Get ready at Jeff EMRA. Get ready for an epic 90-minute TWD finale tonight with their Walker picture with my Twitter account tagged in the picture. Are you referring to that AMC, walking? those same folks. Okay, just check it. Go ahead. It was so funny, I was saying it off the air. I was texting

Jeffie, like an hour before this show. And I was like, dude, I'm getting all nervous, man. I can't wait. And he's like, not me, man. EMC just tag me in a tweet. I'm suck, man, I'm pumped. I was like, oh, God. But sure enough, I looked at it. I'm not saying Jeffrey right now, but I can tell he's glowing.

Oh, he is glowing. Thank you, MC. It's all I'm saying. And, you know, trust me, with the picture of all the walkers, I get your hint. I'll be one of your walkers next year. No problem. I get it. No, I've already said yes.

Just call me. That's highly hinted. So his Twitter handle, guys, go to his Twitter page, his feed, and it's on there. And his Twitter handle is above one of the walkers' heads. As if they're saying, get ready, buddy. I'm all, you know, no problem. I'm there for you. I've seen no problem.

That's all I ever wanted. I don't want to be a big star on your show. Just want to be a Walker that gets killed. That's all. You know that. Call me. Okay. So, all right.

So now let's back up a little bit and talk about we'll lose the conspiracy theory. Okay. Let's back up a little bit and say, all right, we've decided that we're going to leave all the people that we didn't trust before back at the ranch. And we're going to pile everybody else into the rust bucket as what's his face, Eugene called it. And drive around, drive around the neighborhood and follow the maps. and every road is going to be blocked, and the one road was blocked by the same group. Two roads were blocked by the same group.

The fire and the first guy. Oh, that's right. Yeah. Right? They did show up on the second one. Yeah. Just so, you know, Negan's crew is not as big as they'd have you believe. It looks a little bit.

He's spread them out a little bit. I don't know, man. That final scene. Hoo! You see how many were sitting? I know. Oh, my gosh. I know.

And then you also have to think, How many of they have protecting their base? They have to have a lot of people at their base protecting, you know, all the stuff that they've been taking from everybody else. So I feel like, you know, we're just seeing the tip of the iceberg here. I'll give you that, but I will say that it does remind me of the Iraq war, where they says we have, you know, blood will flow in the streets, and we have, you know, all these Iraq military men fighting for Saddam Hussein.

And as soon as they didn't have to fight for Saddam Hussein, they were done, they ran the other way. And here's our guns. We fight for you now. So I kind of think that that's going to happen with some of these soldiers that have been ruled by the king. And when there's a possibility of a new king, they'll go with the new king just as fast as they went with the old king.

Interesting. What does Canon say to that, Aaron? Does that happen on the comments? I think there, I think all these, like our group, you know, we see that people bond so strongly because there's not that many people. anymore, man. And the stuff that you go through, you know, it's so intense and horrific in this world,

I think that we're going to be seen, you know, if there is, say, a new king, they're going to be very hard-pressed to follow that person because they have already made the bonds that have made them survive this long, especially for a group like the Savior. So I think that there's a lot of devotion towards Megan, and I don't think there's really a possibility, for that group to go on without a meagin character.

I was just that whole, this whole ambush, I was just rolling my eyes the entire time when they're like, they're everywhere. And the final scene was just like really did me in, where they like Eugene crafts this like awesome plan. Oh, and by the way, I got to throw this in. The Eugene Abraham Hug was freaking awesome. I don't know why I'm not like a sappy person or anything, but it was, it was, it was so genuine.

No, no, it was though. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was. It was so genuine. They've been through a lot together, right? And really, while they don't admit it, we talked about it, I think, last week where, you know, Eugene actually saved him. Yeah. Big time. Yeah.

I mean, he saved him from killing himself. And so, you know, they've been with each other for a while now. Man, I loved it because, like, Abraham was like, hey, you know, I was wrong. You know, you are a savior. Or I'm not a savior. You are a survivor. Always were. Always were.

And then, yeah, I was just like, I just love that recognition between the two of them. That was great, man. They just did a really good job with that. I loved it. Yeah. But, so Eugene has this plan where I was like, yeah, this is going to work. I was going to drive. I was, and I was waiting for this, the whole episode. I was like, yeah, they're going to like diversion and our smart, you know, tactical group is going to flank them.

And then they're going to have a big stand. And, of course, they're going to have to get kind of beat at the end to have this, you know, to have the tragedy, you know, inevitable tragedy happen. But I was like, we're at least going to do something clever. Well, no, because apparently these guys are omnipotent for this episode. and they were freaking everywhere, and it didn't matter what they did, regardless of how smart Eugene was, they were going to get caught.

And they all did. And they did. And they got Eugene and brought him back to the center of the woods with the Winnebago before they chased Rick and the rest of him into the main circle. Yeah. I mean, a little much.

Come on. You're right. And they're right. You know what, though, but I love that because the way that this show has been portraying the saviors. They've been kind of portraying them as a kind of an incompetent group. That's true. And this shows that they're not.

And in the comic books, there's so much more intense and menacing and really a horrifying presence in this world. That's absolutely terrifying. So I like the fact that they made them smart. They made them out think our group. And you see it in Rick's face when he's kneeling down. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

They got the best of me. Oh, yeah, but I love the, I love the Negan. You killed my people and then, you know, not cool. And then the people that I sent to kill you because you killed my people, you killed them. Really not cool. That is the great leader. That is a mafia leader right there. He was great.

Justifying mad that you killed the people that he sent to kill you. I loved, Aaron, that you pointed out his face. And that's a note that I wrote down last night because contrasts that. his face at the end, which he was just, I was trying to think of an adjective to describe how he looked. He just looked hollow. That's the only word that came to mind. His face just looked hollow, hollow expression, like, oh, my God, I've completely misjudged this guy, this group, this situation, and I cannot believe I did that.

And he was just, he was terrified, he was just hollow. And I was thinking earlier in the episode, the first group that came on, he was full of burrado. That was like bravado. That was like, what was that quote that he said? He was like, yeah, I won't kid. I haven't, maybe I won't kill any more of you. You know what I mean? He was like talking trash.

I was like, dang. That's Rick, you know. That's Rick, you know, it's like, yeah, you know, he's a fighter. And I was like, right. But that was so funny. Gone at the end. Gone. Long gone.

And then he also, you see that Rick, you know, he's almost justified to feel that way. Because you just look at everything that has gone through. I took down Terminus. I took down the cannibals. I took down the governor. And that dude had a tank. I mean, you know, these guys, who's better than me, man? Who's better than me?

And we see, guess what? You know, every once in a while, there's a bigger kid at the playground, and this kid has a bat. Well, and now it's a question of numbers now. I was thinking about that. I was, like, thinking of that final scene, there's, like, a hundred guys out there, and they're, like, prime fighters. I mean, at least 50, right? It looked like the, I don't know where Niggins getting his recruiting, but it looked like every single bully from middle school was, like all hanging out in his little group. Did every East Coast biker not get the Walker flew?

The entire Hell's Angel motorcycle gang was like sitting there. Did not become Walker. Yeah. They all just showed up. That's a good case. That's a good case to be made that, you know what? I'm riding a bike. Oh, God, man.

So I was like, man, it's just a question of numbers. They have so many fighters. In our group, the amount of fighters they have, like, legit fighters are pretty much all right there. They're great. They're good. but that's about all we had. And the ones that are really good have been made out to appear not good.

As you so well noted the last couple of weeks. Because they've, I mean, our, Daryl's all beat up, looking bad, Michone's all beat up, looking bad. I mean, they're all, they're... Yeah, my theories last week, I don't, I kind of shot it. I was thinking that,

I was thinking Abraham, I think I called with Daryl, Abraham, and Glenn, all going down in this episode. And I just, I thought they had to get rid of Abraham because he's not, you know, he's supposed to already be dead. So I was like, he's, he's totally expendable. Right. And they were building up his story arc big time. So it's like he's going down. Maybe he goes down the first episode. And when, when they leave. He's the one that met Lucille. Yeah. Yeah. Huh? Possibly. Yeah. He's the one that met Lucille. Oh, Abe. Oh, oh, I still think that's

Glenn. I still think that's Glenn. Do you really? Because I was thinking about this, man. Like, they fake them out not once but twice this season. You know, it's so I think they could go for a third strike, man. No pun intended.

I think they could go for a third strike. I think, I think it's good. I think he's not going to die. We're going to throw everybody off. Yeah, I don't think it's Glenn. Because he saw how shook he was with the girl.

With Maggie. And so he knows that as long as he keeps Maggie and check, that guy will do anything he wants. From what I, we've been told that it's going to be a very loved character. So that automatically takes out, you know it's not going to be Rick and, uh, and Carl. Because while Negan takes the strike, he says, if anybody stops this, I'm going to tear out the kid's other eye or something like that. Right. Right. So that automatically takes out Rick and Carl, which we, which is obvious anyway. Sure.

So if it's a very loved character, it's either Maggie. Glenn Mishone Mishone Abram No you think Abraham's very loved I'd put him second tier

How many funny things That's that guy That's true In the last couple weeks He's been This season he's been really funny And they've built them up I think that's because

They're building you up That haven't killed off I just consider his second time So he takes Lucille Don't turn my heart out So he meets Lucille Right And remember

the first one, remember, okay, when Negan, this is why I think it's him, because when Negan first walked up, Abraham squared his shoulders and sat up on his knees, went forward like calling it. It was great. And after the first strike from Negan, he says, took it like a champ.

Did he? He took it like a champ. And then he nailed him again. Oh, wow. And then he nailed him again. So the second one was the end of the, you know, end of the show. You might be right. So I think that it was him.

They can't. So they can't. I argue that they have to kill Glenn. Because if you let him survive, we now think that the main loved characters are omnipotent. You have to kill him by now. You have to do it. You've teased it so much. Well, he may die in the aftermath of Abraham.

This scene is exactly the same as it was in the graphic novel. With the iny, me, miny, moe, and everything. It's exactly the same. And Glenn buys it in that scene. All right. But so we kill Abraham. And then in the aftermath of this, anybody move, Glenn dies. See, I think it's reverse.

I think Glenn dies and then Abraham moves and he dies. That's what I think. I think they both go down. I think Abraham goes down because I think he has to because he shouldn't even be alive right now. But I think Glenn is the one that got nailed. I hate to say this, but I'm going to be disappointed if they let someone. on Glenn's level survive. All right, so let's back up a little bit and take a look at Morgan, Carol, and the horse people.

Yeah. Okay? The horse people. What do we say we called them? They're the kingdom. Is that right? The kingdom. The kingdom people.

What's up with them? Okay. Yeah. Well, we finally, we meet. We finally got a couple of them, but they seem like they're Morganish kind of people, right? They're very cool. They're not psychopathic murderers. Right.

Right. So they're definitely more, you know, closer to what our group has kind of been dealing with people and how they've been viewing the world. So they're definitely good people, but they definitely do have their, you know, hiccups or however you like to call it. So that's going to be interesting to see it. What I'm really, really fascinated by is their leader is a really interesting dude to say the leader. but I want to know if they do a true which everybody please remember this is a comic book so there's comic book

things in it he has a pet that's way over the top that's pretty insane and if they do do it to the comic book I want to see how the television show is going to be portraying that pet and this pet is a are you going to leak that? It is a bangle tiger that's a good pet

Yeah, it's right. But I guess the guy, the guy's name Ezekiel, he usually be a zookeeper, and we kept one of the animals. Nice. So that would be, literally they'd have to

CGI that the entire time. Why? No, they have the horse. Right? I mean, we've got the horses. We'll have different animals. They'll add that, right? The horse is not going to freak out

and eat all the actors. Well, neither is a metal tiger. I mean, you wanted to eat. The last tiger that ate anybody was, what, The comedian, who cares? No, the magician. Yeah. Right, the magician.

He needed to go in it. Aided his face off. I'm going anywhere near, no, Tiger. Sorry about that. Move on. Yeah, this whole plot line, I was like, I was watching Morgan going off and doing this thing. And literally, I felt like I was watching old Kung Fu episode. I can't take it.

Where Kane is like wandering the earth going off on a, you know, a mission to find himself and reach a new kind of spiritual onness or something. I was like, oh, gosh, typical Morgan crap. And I didn't want to look. look, I didn't even want to watch that. I didn't even care about Carol at that moment. I just wanted to see what was going on with the main group. I'm really mad at her right now. But then the whole time I'm thinking, you know what?

They have to be setting up something that's going to push the plot line. They've got to be setting something up. And then when we see the coming of this other group, I've got to think that I'm hoping that maybe this is part of the rescue plan. Maybe they're going to come in and help Rick and the gang or something? I don't know. I mean, unless this... Yeah.

I just felt that dragged on far too long. The whole Carol narrative for finding herself and struggling. It dragged on way too long for that payoff with Morgan. It just wasn't there, man. That payoff was not there for me. And I think that, you know, the plotline really suffered and really brought down just the entire tone of the season down. At least for me, that's what I felt. I didn't feel a payoff when when Morgan was forced to kill.

It just felt a little, like, okay, I knew this was going to happen. Get to the main group. Totally, yeah. You knew when Rick gave him that gun that he was going to have to use it at some point. You knew they were foreshadowing that and setting that up. You knew when this savior guy was torturing Carol and just doing his best, you know, Dr. No impression where he's like slowly like talking and dragging out this death, that it was giving time for Morgan to catch up and stop it so he could shoot him with that gun that Rick gave him.

I totally agree with you there. It was way too drawn out. It was way too set up. It was drawn out. But one thing, though, I did like about it was that when Morgan told Rick not to kill that guy, it helped Morgan out in the long run, right? But then if you use the same logic with Daryl and one-eyed over there, you know, that totally messed him up.

So, you know, if you killed that guy, they may not be in the circumstance that they are right now. That's right. See, now your point now, again, little things like that, the writers did. You know, like we said, blurring the lines between heroes and villains, and, you know, Daryl's mistakes get people killed, you know, letting people go. Morgan letting people go is helping people live.

It's just, it's a weird dynamic there that you know. Well, not really. Morgan's mistake didn't really help people live. I mean, that's a... It's going to. That's a fine line there where he was talking about what's his face two that was back at Alexandria that ended up saving the doctor's life. Well, you know, they wouldn't have been in that situation if he wasn't there.

But then Morgan stopped Rick from killing that guy. Now this is going to be this new kingdom community. And they're the ones that are probably going to be major players and helping out and making up for the lack of numbers that Rick and the gang have. They'll probably be the numbers. Rick will be the, you know, the tactical genius, they're the people that are maybe going to teach them how to fight or give them guns. I'm assuming they're going to be low on guns. Is that probably going to be a plot?

Yeah, I mean, because we see, look, dude, Negan has the numbers, and Rick does it, you know, so they're definitely going to have to do like a Marvel team up here, but the other groups that have been getting, you know, being bullied by Neon and, you know, all his motorcycle friends. So they all do look like they just came out of the Hells Angel. But, yeah, so I think you're going to have to see the progression of this world. The widening of the world, I think you're going to be seeing Rick's willingness to work with other groups,

which he obviously has not been kind of, you know, he hasn't been nurturing that thought process. No, he has. For him, any other group is competition. They're going to fight eventually. Yeah, he has not been receptive to that, but the hilltop changed that a little bit. So, I mean, he's starting to open up to a little bit of the new world plan. Okay. God, can we wait?

I don't know. I don't know. Season 7, episode one. But we didn't. Okay, go ahead. So we are, I mean, what was your thought? I just want to get everyone's thoughts of, do you agree with the way they ended with not doing a reveal? Do you guys agree with that at all?

I was pissed. A lot of people I followed on social media. We're unhappy with that outcome of the episode. However, it's the Walking Dead style. They definitely did their job. I mean, everyone's going to come back to see who, you know, we're not going to stop watching. How many seasons now has that happened? Everyone.

At least two or three, for sure, big ones, right? So, you know, I mean, I was not unprepared for that. My favorite cliffhanger, I don't remember which season that was, but when they were in terminus and they were locked in that thing. But then Rick was like back and he was like, you know, no longer. Yeah, exactly. Oh, yeah, and you knew there was going to be some. Messing with the wrong group of people.

Right. I love that one. That was great. This one just left me pissed, though. I was like, come on. You spent 90 minutes setting up, sitting this. You actually did 70 minutes of, blah, 20 minutes of actual suspense, and then nothing. Well, no, we got a nice monologue from Nagan.

He came out. Yeah. That was great, man. I think Jeffrey Dean Morgan, incredible Negan. I mean, really, that was the payoff for me. I know, you love him. I was really worried about how they're going to portray that character. Because he does have this wonderful sense of morbid,

psychopathic humor that really played his character. And Jeffrey D. Morgan pulled it off, man. And as a comic book nerd, I am a kind of woman. I'm proud of it. I'm sorry. But, you know, to see them cast. Jeffrey D. Morgan, who also did the comedian and Watchman,

which is an incredible graphic novel. It was really cool, so I'm glad that they chose the right guy, because I think it could be true to the character. Okay, we got it, you love them. We got it. We got it. You love them.

I got it. I agree. I like it. He did great. All right, so before we wrap up season six with Jason Butchrell and Aaron Hernandez, I was thinking maybe, I've had some requests for fear.

And I've been hesitant to do that since I wasn't that crazy about the first season. But we are coming into the new season of fear. And perhaps we maybe get together maybe every other week or something on fear just to see where we're at. I'd be down. Yeah, sure. I'd love to rip that show apart and tell them how they, maybe we can help them change and get more like the walking dead instead of fear the walking dead. I actually love the sound of that.