Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - Jeffy's Corner: Taunted Throughout Time; Jeffy Talks With Social Autopsy CEO Candace Owens

Episode Date: April 16, 2016

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You're listening to the Jeff Fisher Show. The founder of this company 10 years ago was trying to sell his house and went through real estate agent after real estate agent. And they were all talking a great game. And this guy who is selling his house, the founder of this company, he's kind of an important guy and should get the best treatment. And he said to his wife, if this is what it's like for us, how do people who have no clout ever get around this? So he started a company and it went into business, I think, three years ago. Their deal is, their word is their bond. And they are just like you.

Now, how can I say that? Because I'm the founder of the company. We have 1,000 agents across the country and they are people that listen to the show. And so when you go through real estate agents I trust, it's sent to somebody who already, you already know their sensibilities. They already are cut from exactly the same cloth. There's got to be a better way. There is.

Real estate agents, itrust.com. All right. Cyberbullying. Do you believe in it? You kind of have to. We hear stories more and more every day, right? I mean, we all have children or someone we know.

You know, it uses the Internet every day. I have a different breed. I mean, I got it. I use it every day, you know, too much, probably. If I was diagnosed, I'd be diagnosed with too much Internet addiction. And I, you know, look, I'm used to being abused. Just listen to this network. But, you know, you can't bully me online.

Come on now. Come on. If my children, if my daughter, if my son came to me and said, I just got a thing from the kid around the corner on my phone, which, by the way, my daughter won't have her. quite some time. And it said, he thinks I'm ugly and hates me. I would say, delete.

You don't need to see that dingleberry anymore. And don't worry about him move on. However, I guess, you know, for some, it isn't that easy. So I read a story about a new Kickstarter program. to create something called social autopsy. Social autopsy. And I think to myself, I don't know if that sounds good or not.

So I contacted Candace Owens, the founder, CEO. And I said, Candice, you're coming out of my show. Or I'm going to cyber, no, I asked her and she agreed. Candice, welcome to the show. How are you? Hi, I am doing very well. well this morning. How are you? Good. Oh, so good. All right. Social autopsy, your other site, Degree180.com. What are, what, first of all, let's stop, social autopsy, what are you hoping to

achieve with this? Honestly, all we're really hoping to achieve is that through a very, you know, simple means of accountability, you know, instead of people being able to post anonymously on the web, if they knew, you know, that they had to be who they are, they may pull back on some of the things that they're saying. Okay. So if I say something bad anywhere, sometimes I mean it, Sometimes I don't. You know, sometimes I may say something and two people agree and two people think it's mean. Who decides? Well, no one decides.

I think, first off, I think bad is a very subjective word, right? I mean, how bad are we talking? I think for us what we are looking for are the people that just take things a step a little too far when we're talking about exercising, you know, hate speech. and threats to people on the web and doing it anonymously, you know, or trying to, you know, hide yourself. We don't think that's acceptable. So, I mean, I guess, just kind of talking about what the word bad means

because I think people are afraid. We're talking about an opinion, which everyone has opinions, you know, and people can get a little, you know, hostile back and forth, but we're not talking about opinions. Okay. So what happens when? someone says, hey, that person is bullying me and they come to you? So they would fill out what we have is pretty much a submission form.

And that submission form goes, it kind of functions like a tip line for us. It kind of gets filtered into a box and they include links. And we can go and observe the situation ourselves and make sure that we do the due diligence to determine that the person is, in fact, the person that they say they are. And all we do is we don't even say, you know, this is bullying or this is harassment or this person should be fired. We just create, you know, an easily accessible digital record of it. And that's it. I mean, it's up to whoever reads the words to interpret whether or not they think it's, you know, harassment, this or that in our database.

Okay. How's it going? I've been reading since we chatted through email. I looked around and searched around a little bit, and it seems that you are taking some heat for this. How's it going? You know, it's actually, as of this morning, going pretty well. I think we're starting to narrow down on how this all got started. There was, you know, pretty much what seemed to be like a viral smear campaign saying a bunch of things about our database that were just categorically false.

And, you know, going off of our Kickstarter video, which I don't think any of it. of us could have predicted was going to be so popular. So what started, what got you into the idea that, you know, we really should do something about this, and this is what we should do? You know, so I think we're kind of getting, you know, foremost, when I was in high school, Facebook had just started, and I think that was sort of the genesis, the beginning of the end, actually, I should say the genesis of the revelation, and we were just able to see how easy it is, and to feel like you said, you would tell your kid, just walk away from it.

It's just not that easy. It really isn't. Why not? Why isn't that easy? Because especially, I think, for children, but it's hard to being a kid. You know, you don't even know about yourself. Like, you know, you're not confident yet. You're not sure of who you are in the world.

You know, you have tremendous insecurities that you wear every single day. And just have someone reinforce it. You know, you just start to believe it. Okay, but when we have that our entire lives. I just seems like it would seem easier to just let it go. Oh, my gosh. There should be a song. There should be a song.

All right. Yeah, I do think it's a little harder. You know, we're young, and we've come up in this show. generation. I think that some of the opinions coming from people who haven't had to live it as a kid, it's just it's different. It's a different understanding, but I totally understand it. Well, I mean, look, every kid's been taunted throughout time somehow. Right, right. Right. But now you can't just leave it at school. You know, once upon a time, you get into a fight, it's shoved into a locker and go home. Now before you get home, it's on Twitter, it's on Instagram,

it's recorded by your friends in the hallway, and it's got, a like from your crush, you know, or a thumbs up. So it's just, it's more. There's just more to deal with, I think. I get that. All right. So what are some of the things that you see being said about your platform that are completely false? The number one thing, which was essentially just a fair campaign, is that we docks minors and put up their addresses to make it easier for pedophiles.

files to find them. It's just, it's so false and so crazy. You know, because we built this to help miners, you know, to help people and kind of shift how people are using the internet. Okay. So, and so it's just not anyone. I can't just say, Billy next door is bugging me and I want him up on your website so I can search to see if Billy is on there.

Is that how I would do it? I'm confused at how if I get bullied by Billy and I'm mad at Billy and I go to autopsy and you say, okay, you know what, Billy deserves to be on my website. Okay, so then what? Then what? So in that example, I'm assuming Billy has had something pretty extreme. You know, just to give you an example is like you should buy a gun and shoot yourself in the head, you know, nobody wants. you to live anymore, that sort of a thing, which we think is important to create a digital archive of. You'd have to have his first and last name.

You could, you know, we'd enter him into our database. Our database can only be searched by a full name. So you can't just be like, I'm just going to browse and see who was added to social autopsy today. It doesn't work that way. What we're trying to create this database for is, like, you know, employers, university, these schools because I think this stuff is really important to take a look at. It's kind of like a social background check.

I think once upon a time, you know, it's, I mean, it still is relevant, but people were so focused on criminal background checks, you know, like somebody smokes pot and someone finds it and it affects whether or not they get a scholarship or a job. Me personally, I don't care so much about that, but I do think as an employer, I wouldn't hire someone that I saw was going around telling people to kill themselves. I just, to me, it's disturbing. That's my personal opinion. We're just giving people, you know, an opportunity to kind of see that trend because we think

it's very important. We're arriving at a largely digital era right now. So when is it up and running? You know, because of everything that's happened with the Kickstarter campaign, we have just a lot of stuff on the table right now that we kind of need to sift through before we can give you any guaranteed date of when we're going to be up. We were looking at much sooner, but we just got to give it some time now. And how much time?

How much time? When am I going to be able to? First of all, first of all, once it goes back up, how do I access it? I mean, I just have to type in a full name like Billy Joe Dupree or whatever. His name? Oh, don't know. That's a real name. Never mind. Just joking. You know, Johnny. Yeah. Okay. Jeff Fisher, New York.

And, you know, your picture would come up and then you'd be able to see it. It's a free database to search. There's no, you know, there's no place to comment, obviously. We can't host comments. And so if you type in, and please don't type my name in because it's going to come up no matter what database you're in. But you type in Jeff Fisher and New York. My picture comes up and underneath my picture it says, my God, what a loser. Is that what it says?

I mean, what is it just what, what is the rundown? I'm confused of what it's saying. Oh, under your, under your picture would be a screenshot of what you said. It would be captured what you said. A history of what I've said. Yeah, there's no, we don't, we don't write anything. We're not sitting here saying, you know, Jeff is a really bad guy. Right.

Of course not because that's a form of bullying. That would be a form of bullying ourselves. It's just a record. Okay. All right. So what's the outside date that we're going to have it? You know, it's... You know, I don't want to say a date and be held to it.

We have completely built the database and we have a ton of people on it. But as I said, because of this Kickstarter quotation marks scandal, we have had a lot more opportunities than we could have ever dreamed of right now. And, you know, this all just happened. What was the Kickstarter scandal? You know, our Kickstarter, essentially an individual or two, got very upset about our database, which I think the reasons may have been because they are some of the people. Would end up on it? Yes.

Yes. But they had a lot to lose. And they started this, they started, they went to the gaming community, which is a very tight-knit community. I don't know anything about gaming. So I'm speaking, you know, just as in terms of what just happened and started tweeting, you know, this is, they're going to be doxing minors, you know, minors are going to be getting killed. They started tweeting to the FBI to parenting organizations.

And then they coordinated on 4chan.org to have everyone inundate Kickstarter and pretending to be parents saying like, you know, My, you know, the miners are going to be doxed. So you were bullied on Kickstarter? Yeah. You were bullied on Kickstarter. It's ironic, yeah. But it didn't affect us, obviously.

We're not going to be cyber bullied into not doing anything about cyberbullying. Good. Now, a couple of quick things that I want to know now. You can access it for free. But how do you know that it's the real Jeff Fisher from New York? I mean, it could be. So we do that. We do that research.

And it's very, very simple. You know, like, anybody can really do what we're doing. It's just connecting the dots. It's not difficult to see if it's a fake Facebook account. You know what I mean? Because that person has one or two friends. If Jeff Fisher has one or two friends, then, you know, it's a little suspect. If Jeff Fisher is posting all of his stuff and all of his radio interviews and his mom is writing on his wall, you know, she's so proud of this or that.

And he's got his school linked in, and he's in all the groups. It's very obvious to know when you're doing it. dealing with a troll account across any of the social media accounts. Candace, I'm up against the clock. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Candice Owens. Thank you so much.

Is there an information site you'd like people to go to, or are we just waiting to get that back up? We're just waiting to get it back up at the moment. We just kind of got inundated, but, you know, they can, in the meantime, they can contact us at, contact at degree 180.com. If they have any questions or concerns, we definitely want to make sure we remain transparent in this process. Candice Owens, thank you very much. I appreciate it.

Thank you so much. Have a good one. Here we go. This is the Jeff Fisher Show on the Blaze Radio Network. The founder of this company 10 years ago was trying to sell his house and went through real estate agent after real estate agent, and they were all talking a great game. And this guy who is selling his house, the founder of this company, he's kind of an important guy and should get the best treatment.

he said to his wife, if this is what it's like for us, how do people who have no clout ever get around this? So he started a company and it went into business, I think, three years ago. Their deal is, their word is their bond. And they are just like you. Now, how can I say that? Because I'm the founder of the company. We have a thousand agents across the country and they are people that listen to the show. And so when you go through real estate agents I trust, it's sent to somebody who already, you already know,

their sensibilities. They already are cut from exactly the same cloth. There's got to be a better way. There is. Real Estate Agents.itrust.com.