Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - No Evidence… | Guest: Joshua Browder | 1/11/23

Episode Date: January 11, 2023

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Starting point is 00:00:00 With Amex Platinum, you have access to over 1,400 airport lounges worldwide. So your experience before takeoff is a taste of what's to come. That's the powerful backing of Amex. Conditions apply. Blaze Radio Network. And now, chewing the fat with Jeff Fisher. So when a car says, or the company that makes the car, says full self-driving capabilities,
Starting point is 00:00:29 that's really not what it means. It just means you get to pretend like it has full self-driving capabilities. I mean, there's plenty of states that want car makers, most importantly, Tesla, to stop using that term full self-driving. But there are plenty of cases where people have been under the influence of whatever substance and decided to put it on self-driving mode and go where they've got to go. Some places, one report was an accident, but everything was fine. It happened in a park.
Starting point is 00:01:10 Nobody was hurt. There was no fire. It was fine. We're moving on. We had a guy not long ago admit on a Twitter Spaces story. Twitter Spaces was for a Tesla space talk. the Musk Meltdown Marathon. And he admitted that he got drunk,
Starting point is 00:01:36 claimed he put it on self-driving, and it drove him home flawlessly. People said, hey, don't do that. And they booed him. Had I been on the spaces, I may have said, good job, thank you, appreciate it. Thanks for thinking of me and other people on the road, knowing that you couldn't do it yourself,
Starting point is 00:01:59 so you're going to go ahead and let the car do it. I'm sure that there are plenty of people out there that disagree with that. I will say that why not? When are we at the point for letting the self-driving car just self-drive us? I'm ready for it. I am ready. If you could tell me I could get a car today without having to get a driver
Starting point is 00:02:26 and have someone drive me to and fro, which I am not opposed to and I'm a fan of. I like driving, but, I mean, I would much rather have a driver. But if I could have a car
Starting point is 00:02:39 that would just, I just get in and say, home, and it takes me home? Yeah, I'm all about that. And whether you're under the influence or not, just take me home work store whatever just so that you don't i don't have to worry about it and just
Starting point is 00:03:02 let the car do it i'm in but especially if you're under the influence no kidding i mean now i don't think you can start the electric cars unless you're behind the wheel we've seen the electric trucks on the road they've already got them all over the internet or all over the uh uh interstates here in DFW, but they always have a driver. But they're close. They're close to just letting them be on the road without humans behind the wheel. So I'm close to.
Starting point is 00:03:32 That's all I want is want to get in and say, home. You just get in the car and you can go, hey, put on chewing the fat and take me home. I mean, that's perfection right there. Welcome. Welcome to chewing the fat.
Starting point is 00:03:51 So if you're still waiting, Waiting at the airport. Uh, hello. Uh, sorry about that. That was the FAA problem. I know. I know. The ground order has been lifted on flights.
Starting point is 00:04:04 Uh, apparently they claim after two and a half hours. It was a lot longer than that. I mean, they started grounding flights first thing this morning. If you're listening live, today is the 11th of January, 2023. And people were noticing delays on flights and grounding of flights early on this morning, four or five a.m. So it was a lot longer than just two and a half hours. Now, according to the FAA, the no-tam system, N-O-T-A-M system,
Starting point is 00:04:35 which pilots used to see flight plans failed overnight. Now, the White House says there's no evidence of a cyber attack. So that pretty much... That almost guarantees that it was a cyber attack. But, hey, that's what they claim. They claim there's no evidence of a cyber attack. Okay. So the issue was fixed by 9 a.m.
Starting point is 00:04:59 More than 4,000 flights were delayed as a result. Yay! So, I mean, this is the first time that all flights were grounded since 9-11. So it's not a good thing. You can quote me on that. It's not a good thing that that happened. Now, they announced it. This is where, okay, this is where they get their two and a half hours.
Starting point is 00:05:25 They announced that they had grounded all flights as an overnight failure of its No-Tam system at 6.30 a.m. So they were back up and running by 9 a.m. And so that's where you get your two and a half hours. But they were grounded at least a couple of hours before that. They even talk about the system going down overnight. Duh. So 4,500 flights delayed, 840 flights.
Starting point is 00:05:52 It's canceled. Oh, man, it's got to be a nightmare. I am thankful that I am not flying today. And those of you that are waiting in airports and waiting to fly out or fly to someplace listening to chewing the fat, I'm with you. I feel your pain. I feel your pain.
Starting point is 00:06:11 So I guess transportation secretary, Pete Buttigieg, who is on top of it. He's been briefed along with President Biden. And that's why they know that there's no evidence that there was a cyber attack. The airline experts are saying, no, it's the Biden administration's fault. No excuse for the failure that is the latest in a string of embarrassing transport headaches since he took office. So specifically, they're blaming Pete Buttigieg. Good. Good.
Starting point is 00:06:48 Well, he's home on baby leave. maybe we could have paid a little bit more attention to, I don't know, his job. But anyway, if you're stuck at an airport waiting for a flight that doesn't matter whose fault it is, you just know you want to get to where you're going. So keep your head up and sooner or later they'll get you out. No, really, they will. Sooner or later, they will. They'll get you out, no problem.
Starting point is 00:07:14 I mean, at least you're not flying with the Wells Fargo VP or the, I should say, the former Wells Fargo VP of operations in India. He urinated on a 72-year-old woman during a business class flight from New York to New Delhi. Wait, now he claims, hey, she condoned it. Did she? He's accused of urinating on an elderly lady. The incident occurred in November on board a flight between New York and Mumbai. Shankar Mishra alleges through his lawyers that the woman's,
Starting point is 00:07:51 condoned the act. Of course. You're flying from New York to Mumbai. You want to pee on me? Yeah, go ahead. So he apparently was drunk on board the flight. And after he did, he was crying, oh, Mishra, were you? Did you think that that was going to end your job and everything? Yes. Well, he's been fired after he was accused of this urination issue with the 72 year old woman. Unbelievable. So he pees on this lady and then he says, she condoned it. So just stop it. Wow.
Starting point is 00:08:35 I mean, if you're on a plane and you've got some drunk guy that starts peeing on you, that seems to be a problem. Now, apparently, he only stopped when the passenger sitting beside her told him to. So I guess he was stumbling from a few seats back, unzipped his pants and started going.
Starting point is 00:08:58 And then the passenger next to the lady said, Hey, what are you doing? So he was arrested upon landing. But she was forced to sit him in crew seats for the duration of the flight. Yeah, well, she's covered in his people. Couldn't we find her some different clothes to wear? Somebody's got to have some PJs in one of their car. for her right oh they did okay good yes thank you the crew did give her a set of pajamas and footwear
Starting point is 00:09:27 and sprayed disinfectant on her belongings excellent i mean that's that was nice of i mean holy cow so they claim that it's all faults and uh the woman let it happen we'll see what happens but at least today if you're stuck at an airport because the fAA shut down flights you're You don't have to worry about this happening to you. You know, on a plane. You may have to worry about it there at the airport, though. Wow, congratulations to Harry. Yes, Prince Harry, or formerly Prince Harry.
Starting point is 00:10:04 Anyway, his new book, Spare has become the UK's fastest selling nonfiction book ever. Now, he's been on a big tour to promote the book for sure. it has sold more than 400,000 copies so far across hardbook, e-book and audio formats in Great Britain in the United Kingdom. So congratulations to Harry. They for sure knew that it was going to fly off the shelf, and it most definitely did. Right now, it looks like the only books that have sold more on the first day was you know, the other the Harry Potter books.
Starting point is 00:10:52 So congratulations to Harry. I'm sure it'll be huge right now. It ranks a bestseller on Amazon's UK, U.S., Australian, German, and Canadian websites. Wow. Just incredible. I know I watched the Netflix special
Starting point is 00:11:10 the series, Harry and Megan are Megan and Harry are Spare and I won't call her that. It does not make you like them. I'm sorry, it just does not make you like it. It didn't make me like them. And I kind of liked them.
Starting point is 00:11:29 I'm kind of a Royals fan. But wow, it just, they were living at friends places, and you just see Harry barefoot all the time. And they're living at friends places until they finally moved into their dump in Montecito, which, by the way, they've been evacuated from because there's been, you know, world-class rain in California with the weather phenomenon known as an atmospheric river, which is a plume of deep tropical moisture that stretches across the Pacific. Wow, I mean, they've had some serious rain, though, in California.
Starting point is 00:12:07 At least 17 people have been killed. One child remains missing. Record rainfall, flash flooding. Rainfall amounts of up to seven inches are. expected in northern California and the Pacific Northwest, exasperating areas that have already forced tens of thousands of residents to leave their homes. Yeah, that's just today. I mean, San Francisco has already seen, I think, 13 inches of rain, which they're saying,
Starting point is 00:12:33 that's the wettest day ever since 1849. You know, it's the third wettest day. This is how they're doing their records now, okay? San Francisco has seen 13 inches of rain marking the third wettest 15-day stretch since 1849. Okay.
Starting point is 00:13:02 You know what? It's wet. There's a lot of rain. A whole bunch of rain. Okay. I mean, there's also a record that talks about the past eight years saw the highest global temperatures on record dating back to 1850.
Starting point is 00:13:25 Okay. So the highest global temperatures on record. What does that even mean? I mean, okay. Anyway, all that to say, congratulations to Harry, who needed these sales to bump it up. He's got to keep Megan happy. so it's big sales we'll see what else is next
Starting point is 00:13:48 I mean they still have got they've got to create some more content for Spotify they've got to create some content for Netflix he's I don't know how many you know if he's signed another book deal what else is he going to write about next time it's going to be you know his Evictus games
Starting point is 00:14:03 the Invictus games we got to have that and we have a book on that I guarantee you it won't sell as much as this one but for right now it is a best seller and man, I mean, I kind of want to read it. I've seen all the headlines, and they are so...
Starting point is 00:14:20 That Netflix special really did not do them justice as far as I'm concerned. You know what I mean? It just bothered me. I don't know why. It just bothered me. And then he did his 60 Minutes interview, and he's talked about the text between Megan and Kate
Starting point is 00:14:40 and the disagreement he has. had with Elton and he's just he's just trying to sell the book just trying to sell the book and it's working but what's next? I'll tell you what's next. The break room. Let's go to the break room. I need something cold to drink desperately. So how about those golden globes last night, Huh? I know. I know. Wow. The 2023 Golden Globe Awards. I did not watch it. I know. I actually did want to. I went back and watched the speech from Vladimir Zelensky from Ukraine. And that was riveting. And then Gerard Carmichael was the host. He, you know, he's a comedian. And I've seen some of his work. He's funny. Some of the stuff he does is kind of funny. But he said in his monologue,
Starting point is 00:15:50 I'm here because I'm black. I mean, that's why they canceled it because of last year, because of the lack of diversity. And he even claimed, he said that he wanted to explain why he agreed to host. He said they weren't up to speed
Starting point is 00:16:08 that I won't say they were a racist organization. but he said they didn't have a single black member until George Floyd died. So with that information, do with that information what you will. He didn't presume any of the organization's promise changes resulted in actual reform. I took this job assuming they hadn't changed at all. And he said that he, and he said they paid him $500,000 to get to host it for the night. I'm in.
Starting point is 00:16:40 I'm in for $500,000. I'm hosting that thing, too. Yeah, lack of diversity, yep, they sure were. But 500 grand, I'm in. The ratings have got to. I mean, I haven't seen any of the numbers yet, but they cannot be good. They've already, they were on a huge slide anyway. So I'm sure that these numbers will not be good at all.
Starting point is 00:17:06 They took a beating on social media for being boring, amazing. that the beating that they took. Spielberg's, the Fablemans, won the coveted drama category, with Spielberg also taking home best director. Austin Butler, Elvis, the King, won. And Kate Blanchard, who played the composer Lydia Tar, NabD Awards for Best Actor and Best Actress in a Drama. And so also,
Starting point is 00:17:44 Notable winners include Angela Bassett, who became the first actor to earn an award for starring in a superhero film. Okay, she was best supporting actress for her role as Queen Ramonda in Black Panther Wakanda forever. So congratulations to all the winners at the Golden Globes. And you guys are all great. I mean that with every ounce of being. in me you guys are just great uh no one won the uh mega millions last night i know man i was really really looking forward to winning the mega millions it was only 1.1 billion dollars so you know i don't know that i could get by on that but i was going to give it a shot
Starting point is 00:18:44 So since there was no winner, we have a new jackpot for Friday the 13th. This coming Friday, the 13th. 1.35 billion jackpot, 7707.9 million cash payout. It's still the fourth largest. I feel like it would have jumped more than that. It was 1.1 and now it's only 1.35. I feel like mega's
Starting point is 00:19:14 Holden the reins a little tight on that bad boy. Plus, I talked a little bit about this on my two in the fat segment during Pat Unleashed today, which I do every Wednesday on Pat Gray unleashed. When I went to, and I did go buy a ticket yesterday for the Mega Millions drawing, and when I went, you know, they have the side-by-side, the Powerball and the Mega Millions.
Starting point is 00:19:38 And the Mega Millions, obviously, is, you know, 1.35 billion. And then the power ball is $360 million. And it looks like only $360 million. Oh, just wait. What?
Starting point is 00:19:52 I mean, that's still $188 million $1.7. Cash payouts. You're only going to get almost $189 million if you were to win the powerball. And it's nothing.
Starting point is 00:20:09 It's like, Nothing feels like nothing. So, and we've talked about that before because there's plenty of winners that win 10 million, five million, a million. And those are, I mean, those can really help. And some, I mean, 10 million could change your life drastically. A million? Does that change your life drastically?
Starting point is 00:20:30 Well, I mean, it certainly changes your life. I don't know. It certainly doesn't come close to, you know, 100 million or 20 million. but I'm not turning it down. I'm not turning it down at all. So if you play, good luck. I really want you to win. Now, I mean that.
Starting point is 00:20:53 I want you to win. And you can let me know if you win. Just reach out to me on my social media accounts. Twitter is at Jeffrey JFR. Facebook and Instagram is Jeff Fisher Radio. and you can always email the show Chewing the Fat at the Blaze.com. I got an email from Russ that talks about listening to Chewing the Fat and Pat Gray unleashed daily at work. And he's subscribed through the Apple Podcast app.
Starting point is 00:21:23 Thank you. Appreciate it. He's also a Blaze subscriber. That's fantastic. Thank you, which you could do. BlazTV.com slash Jeffie. promo code Jeffie gets you a discount. That's that subscriberhip helps keep this.
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Starting point is 00:23:38 The algorithm is created by the company Do Not Pay. And I have the CEO and founder, Joshua Browder, on the phone as we speak. Joshua, welcome to chewing the fat. How in the world are you? I'm doing great. Thank you for having me. So you are the founder and creator of, well, we'll just call it robot lawyer, but it's really an algorithm that people are able to use. I could use it myself now? Yes, exactly. So the Do Not Pay robot lawyer started with parking ticket,
Starting point is 00:24:16 and we started sending templates for people's tickets. And we realize this is bigger than just tickets. So today it works in over 200 areas of consumer rights, including things like getting refunds from airlines like Southwest, cutting down people's utility bills, canceling subscriptions, all of these areas where you can't hire a lawyer over $100. So that's a great job for AI. So correct, I can't hire a lawyer for over $100.
Starting point is 00:24:45 So do I, am I able to just be a member? of don't pay.com and then use your services as needed, or is it a buffet and I just have to come and pay for what I need? It's a buffet, so it's do not pay it.com, and it's all you can eat. It's only $36, though, so it's like a thousand times cheaper than a lawyer, and the average user makes about seven times the subscription price. So we have things that even if you don't have an explicit problem, you can like connect your account and it shows you all the ways you're being ripped off all the fees all the subscriptions and then it starts getting to work sending angry letters to get you money back that is awesome so the story that we are told about the algorithm being used in the courtroom first let me ask is that even legal i mean are the attorneys and judges allowing a robot in the court room So just to give you some background, we decided to do this experiment where AI is going to be whispering in someone's ear in a physical courtroom.
Starting point is 00:26:04 And I tweeted out this offer saying, do not pay, we'll pay even if you lose. But if you want to be the first ever test case for a robot lawyer in a U.S. courtroom, let me know. And the tweet got hundreds and hundreds of thousands of views. I bet. And a few hundred people reached out offering their cases. In most of those cases, it's illegal for various reasons, but we found two cases where it's not strictly against the law. I don't think it's in the spirit of what the courts would like, but they haven't banned it yet. So we're trying it.
Starting point is 00:26:36 We're not announcing an advance where they are, and we're seeing where it goes. So the person in the courtroom is going to use your algorithm to listen to what's happening in the courtroom and then respond. bond to them and he'll just he'll just parrot what's being told to him then, correct? That's right. And the AI technology has got, in my opinion, a hundred times better in the past year. There's only so much you can do with the template. I mentioned earlier we send a lot of angry letters to companies, and that's great for a $100 dispute, but maybe it's not so good for a $20,000 medical bill.
Starting point is 00:27:18 So where we want to take this is we want to automate all of consumer rights by actually allowing AI to go back and forth with companies and governments in real time. On your behalf, that's awesome. Yeah. That's awesome. So are you, okay, so if I don't pay.com obviously is a website. I do not, I'm sorry, do not pay.com. But if I is, am I able to use it on Android and iOS? That's right. It's actually a website and it works great on mobile, so you can use it on any device that has internet connection.
Starting point is 00:27:56 Awesome. So do I get to choose? I mean, right now it's just an algorithm, so I don't get to choose what my lawyer looks like. But do I get to choose what my lawyer sounds like? So the courtroom stuff we're doing is an experiment. We're pushing the boundaries and we want to encourage more courts to allow. AI in the justice system. But we do have projects coming out that actually will talk to companies on your behalf. So imagine a robot that will phone up United and argue with them about the in-flight Wi-Fi. And in that case, you will get to choose which voice and you can even have your own voice. So the AI technology is so good these days that maybe if you record two minutes of audio
Starting point is 00:28:41 to the app or website, it will be able to clone it. And there's already technology out there that can do that. Well, yeah, Microsoft was just announcing that they have that hammered out now, right? Where they pretty much have that technology hammered out, which is awesome, I guess. It doesn't bode well for someone in the broadcast industry, but, you know, oh, well, I'll get by. Yeah, I mean, it can be used for good, like consumer rights, but it can also be used for evil. I would imagine that grandparents will be getting calls from their scam calls for pending to be their grandson asking for money. So we live in scary times.
Starting point is 00:29:19 Yeah, we do. And how do you get that? So if you have figured out that someone is going to use, well, yeah, I mean, you're going to have to find a way to believe or not believe, right? You're going to have to everybody's going to have to find a way themselves to figure out whether it's true or not in what you believe and what you believe. in what you don't believe. No question. That's a whole other issue. I get that.
Starting point is 00:29:44 So how far are we? I find it fascinating that they don't allow it in the courtroom yet, obviously. How far do you think we are from them allowing the algorithm to be used in court? Are they going to just start out with, well, you can use it in traffic court, but that's it. I think there's a crisis right now where people can't afford these expensive lawyers. The American Bar Association assumes over 80% of people who need legal help can't afford it. And so these lawyers, they really want to protect their industry. They want to keep the prices high because that's their paycheck.
Starting point is 00:30:28 Right. But there's such a big crisis. They have to do something. So I agree they're going to do things like allow it for smaller cases. There's not a lawyer who will get out of bed for 100. dollar traffic ticket. Well, there are some, but they're not very good. And so I think that those ones could be replaced by AI and the system may allow it. That's, that'll be, that'll be absolutely amazing. So, um, I'm actually kind of looking forward to the outcome of, uh, and I'm sure you are too,
Starting point is 00:31:00 for this, uh, trial case. Are you thinking that perhaps the, and obviously, I know you're not talking about where it is and what it's happening. but what happens if the judge says what are you doing i'll come here what do you got in your you know what are you what are you listening to what's happening what's going on here and then you know kicks everybody to the curb i mean then you're i mean obviously you said you'd pay for it but so when i um tweeted about it originally i um said air pods but we recently discovered there are these glasses i'm not sure if you've heard of them where there are actually earphones, but you can't see them as earphones. It goes through the bone.
Starting point is 00:31:43 Yes. So, yeah, so we found a version of those that are very, very discreet, and we're going to use that. So no one will actually be able to tell that the person is being whispered to by AI. Interesting. That's, that's really interesting. Although the person may have, you're going to end up having a slight delay between, and I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm just talking off the top of my head now, but I mean, you're going to end up having that delay
Starting point is 00:32:14 between the parroting of what the algorithm is telling the person, right? Yeah, so this is all stuff we're working out now. We've made it the whispering very fast to reduce the delay. There are other problems as well that we're dealing with. One other issue is that the AI is very manipulative. We tried to do a live dispute with Comcast where the AI successfully got someone a discreet. count and it worked, but the AI was making stuff up.
Starting point is 00:32:43 It was like saying, I had five outages in the past 24 hours. And that might be a successful strategy with Comcast, but from a liability perspective, you can't have AI lying. So we've had to really build guardrails to make sure it tells the truth. That's awesome that it's lying for you. I mean, it's not awesome at all, Joshua. What am I talking about? It's okay.
Starting point is 00:33:08 if you lie, but not the robot, you don't want the robot to lie. So what makes the robot, so the robot decides the AI, I'm sorry, I keep calling a robot, but the AI decides that it's working on your behalf. So whatever it says, it's going to do and say what it believes is best for you, right? So the guardrails are, hey, yes, we want you to do what's, best, but you got to tell the truth. Yeah, so we have to, you have to tell the AI. We say, make sure you stick to the information.
Starting point is 00:33:49 And when we tell it back, it doesn't lie so much. There's one other issue, which is that the AI talks too much. So going back to our Comcast dispute, Comcast would like say, oh, I'm looking into it. And AI would keep saying, thank you. So you imagine in the courtroom, the judge is saying, just give me a minute. Sure, Judge, I'm happy to give you a minute. And it was the most rude. And so what we've done is we've built another AI to even decide whether to say anything
Starting point is 00:34:18 and then a second AI to decide what to say. So there's so many AI working together to make this a success. And we'll see what happened. Now, the thing with the in the courtroom, you would hope that the human that's parroting what AI is telling them to do would not parrot sure judge go ahead the human would realize that he didn't have to say that right I mean that's the course of ordinary conversation right yeah of your ordinary human conversation so you would hope that the human would realize I don't have to say that that's just the AI saying
Starting point is 00:34:57 that well um we are um compensating the people involved in these cases so that if they say exactly what the AI says, they get money. And they're not obliged to do it. So we've still said, we'll pay your ticket regardless of what happens. Because, you know, if you give people the freedom from a compliance perspective, that reduces our liability. Right. We want this to be a completely AI case.
Starting point is 00:35:26 The human is actually almost like a speakerphone for the AI. That's the way we see it in these cases. And so we want it to be a success and we want people to be comfortable saying what the Yeah, I tell something. Got it. Because that's, I mean, that's a problem with, that's been a problem with, with robots, with actual robots. I realize this is, you know, the algorithm, but with actual robots, right?
Starting point is 00:35:49 Where people are okay when they know that the robot is a robot. But where people start questioning and having issues with robots in their lives is when they try to pull off not being a robot. and they realized, the humans realize, hey, that's not right. That's something is a little off there. And so they have a problem with the robots, right? So that's the same with the AI. And obviously that's what you're working on. You want the human to just parrot exactly what the AI is saying
Starting point is 00:36:22 so that the AI learns to actually be a part of a conversation and not look like it's a robot. Got it. Yeah. And could you imagine how much. time we're going to save when robots are just dealing with this. Like, no one has time to call United. I know. I know. And it's such a, I realize that.
Starting point is 00:36:44 And it's still, you know, again, you go back to we live in such, you know, great times, right? I mean, we are we are leaping ahead with technology and our knowledge, you know, leaps and bounds. But on the, you know, the flip side of that is, uh, is kind of scary. and so I'm not sure I want to be really happy and say I know look at the time we're going to save and look at the AI knows all this information and for how much are you charging
Starting point is 00:37:15 for me to be a member of of I want to make sure I say your name right because I've said it wrong so much so it's it's don't pay.com do not pay why do I keep saying that? Would you stop me? Stop me. It's do not pay. It's do not pay.
Starting point is 00:37:32 It's do not pay. dot com okay so i got it right i promise josh i won't i won't screw up again so how much does it cost for for me to be a member of do not pay dot com it costs $36 every three months and the reason we chose that time period is because that's typically how long these cases take to get resolved right for users to see their first refund or win right So I could, you know, I could theoretically pay you for a year or more and just have you at my beck and call then, right? Yeah. And within that, within the membership fee, I have access to everything under your umbrella? Exactly.
Starting point is 00:38:19 All you can eat legal robot lawyer, Sam, sis. That's awesome. I'm really excited to see how this, I'm probably not excited as you, but I'm really excited. excited to see how this turns out for you at do not pay.com. There, I finally, I've almost screw it up again. So Joshua Browder, thank you so much for joining me on chewing the fat. Is there anything else that you want to tell people about? Or, I mean, I'm just kind of excited. I would love to talk to you once this wraps up, and we actually have confirmation on what happened, you know, good or bad. I would love to.
Starting point is 00:39:01 to find out what happened. Of course, I've added you to our updates, and I will keep you in the loop. That's fantastic. I will, I'll send you an email and, you know, that we can stay in touch. I would love that very much because it's really fascinating what you guys are doing. And I know in the end, it'll all be for good. It's not evil, right? Hopefully.
Starting point is 00:39:30 Thanks, Joshua. I appreciate it. Thank you. Do not pay.com. At Desjardin, we speak business. We speak startup funding and comprehensive game plans. We've mastered made-to-measure growth and expansion advice, and we can talk your ear-off about transferring your business when the time comes.
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Starting point is 00:40:51 But there's no evidence whatsoever of any cyber attack. So, you know, good. Good. I'm glad that there's no evidence of that. In my interview with Josh, I was talking about the Microsoft new voice AI.
Starting point is 00:41:12 And I couldn't remember what it was called. And it's called Valley. I guess it's a play on Wally, V-A-L-L-E. And it can simulate anyone's voice with three seconds of audio. So that's either good or bad. That's either good or bad. All right, let me leave you with a little joke that I love this thread. It's a Twitter thread about a workplace incident.
Starting point is 00:41:47 Co-worker got his lunch stolen, and they've agreed to let him watch the security camera. This is the most excited I've ever been at any job ever. The lunch in question was shrimp-fried rice, which means this escalates from a misdemeanor to felony, no doubt. Case facts. Lunch was in fridge for less than an hour before it vanished. No shrimp smell remnants in the microwave or kitchen area. This was a professional hit, no doubt. Holy crap.
Starting point is 00:42:16 He's back. He watched the tape. He knows who did it. So the man whose lunch was stolen sits across for me. The person who stole his lunch sits right next to me. She left for the day before the investigation started. According to the video, this psychopath didn't he even eat the food? She took it out of the fridge and threw and buried it in the trash.
Starting point is 00:42:42 Her motives remained completely unknown. In lieu of what he saw on the tape, he's decided. to not press the matter anymore. I can't say I blame him. We don't know what this woman is fully capable of. Points to clarify. He bought the shrimp fried rice around 11.30 a.m. carryout. Put it in the fridge to chill until he takes lunch at noon.
Starting point is 00:43:02 So she had exactly a 30-minute window of time to do what she did. There was no intention of microwaving the food. Update. So when dude watched the video with HR, they ask, what do you want to do about it? He told them he was solely interested in who did it, and he didn't want to be responsible for someone getting fired. After charges were dropped, HR sent a company-wide email about stealing people's lunches. She's scheduled to arrive at work in 20 minutes.
Starting point is 00:43:31 My blood is on cocaine. She has walked into the room, and the room is dead silent. Dead effing silent! Yet there is a palpable explosive energy pulsing through everyone but her. From the moment she walked in, I've been. staring at her, watched her open her email, and how she clicked on the gut-dart HR email. Holy F! Strap in! Here we go! I can't move. I simply can't move. Anything could happen right now.
Starting point is 00:44:02 After seeing the HR email, she says out loud, whoa! Someone stole the lunch? Who would do something like that? I may have to run out of this room. After she said that, shrimp guy responds, well yeah it's not okay to throw someone's food away we're all about to start screaming the crap about to get crazier after he says that she goes oh it was your lunch well why would you go to hr about that she has simultaneously denied her involvement and called the guy who saved her job a snitch dude just sighed and went back to work after she said what she said she looks frighteningly calm. I'll keep updating if anything else occurs, but all I can say
Starting point is 00:44:45 is that everyone in the office from the janitor to the founder knows that she did. She now carries an invisible scarlet letter. This is real. This is happening. We know who did it. We don't know why. It's a post production company, so we're in fact opened. She's been sitting
Starting point is 00:45:00 three feet from me this whole time. Unbeknownst to the guy and the woman, I just ordered three shrimp fried rice plates for lunch and we'll be hand delivering them. She took the fried rice from me with a big smile on her face. She's eating it and loving it. This is utter ruthlessness.
Starting point is 00:45:24 I love shrimp fried rice. The thief. That is a tremendous thread. And I believe none of it. stream and subscribe to more Blaze Media content at theblaze.com slash podcasts.

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