Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - S1 E4 | Talking Walking Dead | Daryl Dixon

Episode Date: October 2, 2023

Talking Walking Dead: Daryl Dixon  Season One Episode Four     SHOW TITLED: La Dem de Fer     With myself Jeff Fisher, Jason Buttrill & Maximus Fisher     EPISODE DESCRIPTION ON IMDB:  Daryl and Isabelle negotiate with the owner of the Demimonde club     Each week we discuss the latest episode and what the future may and should hold.  We also discuss all things Dead.  Email the show [e-mail]  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Season one, episode four. The Walking Dead Darrell Dixon, titled La Dame Deferre. Yeah, that's just French for Iron Lady, you know, the Eiffel Tower. Episode description on IMDB, Daryl and Isabel negotiate with the owner of the Demand Club. Myself, Jeff Fisher, Jason Buttrill, and Maximus Fisher. This is Talking Walking Dead. All right, welcome to it. Jason Maximus, Episode 4, La Dame DeFour.

Mr. Butchel, I'll give you the opening statement of Daryl Dixon, episode 4. I don't know if it's having Norman Reis' executive producer on this or what. But this is kicking ass. This actually has me excited to watch this show again, you know, as in Walking Dead. Right. Before it was like it almost seemed like an obligation like I just need to get through the other shows. You'll feel that way again soon. Yeah.

Yes. But let me enjoy it while I can. Okay. Sorry. But I actually enjoy looking for, I look forward to watching this every Sunday. It's crazy. It's just great. It's great show.

I do too. I agree with Jason. The show's really, really good. And this episode was again, great. I knew in the very beginning when he, uh, when we see, what's his name, Laurent, and he's in the middle of the walkers, and Darrell can't get to him, and the walkers, you know, he's all around. I knew that it wasn't real.

I was bummed, but I knew it wasn't real. I was too. Yeah, I know. I was like, wait a minute. Did I miss something? And then he wakes up, and I was like, oh. I was so, I know. I was like, I'm confused.

And then he wakes up in the pool. I'm like, oh, okay. Yeah, I did like the, you know, we got the underwater walkers, which was good, fighting, you know, getting out of the hole after. fell through. Yeah, but let's not blow past that dream sequence we're saying. He clearly is, I guess, starting to believe that, which is odd. I don't know if that will come true or not, or if it is real, but he's kind of starting to believe it. Well, he definitely is kind of starting to believe it, right? Now, we know it's not, well, I mean, we know it's not real because

later on at the at la d'am de foe, the Iron Lady, the Eiffel Tower, you know, he hides underneath the piece of metal, right? And the Walker tries to get him.

So we know that that's not real. Well, right, right. But it won't be that mystical, right? Like the walkers just see them as one of their homies. That's not going to happen.

But there still could be something special about him. I, that has to be. It has to be. Right? I'm genuinely curious to just see where this goes. Because I was in love with him praying in the middle of the walkers and not being attacked.

I really was. I really was. And you're right. That does mean that Daryl is believing that he's at least the special one. Yeah. Well, I mean, we know they're stealing from The Last of Us. So I don't know. I think at minimum it's something like that.

Like he has some more resistance to, you know, the zombie virus. when he gets bitten or something. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, correct. Right. I mean, he is, and he's definitely the cure. Hello. I mean, that's my, that's my favorite forever.

Well, I mean, it's legitimate. I mean, he was born after his mom turned. So something was going through that in Bill. Absolutely. We've seen, we've seen babies turn, right? Yeah. We've seen babies turn before. We've seen the Walker babies.

But he was born, you know, post mom turning, pre him turning. So that's definitely, there's something there. Yeah. There's definitely something there. I love it. And then,

you know, we get Darrell wandering the streets of Paris. I just wandered. You know what? I was going to walk around. I was, I don't know where I'm at.

I was going to go. I have no clue where I'm going. How many of us have stopped and looked at those maps? And then like, I don't know what the hell that's telling me. He runs in, but you know,

we saw the people in the building, right, having their little lunch in with the music. playing. Do we think, is that, do we believe that's real? Yeah, that's real. I think that is real. Okay. Yeah. All right. All right. I just, because I thought at first he was wondering, I was like, he went back to the crazy guys town. I thought we were going to revisit our,

our Walker Orchestra for a second. Yeah, I did too. That was my first thought. But yeah, I was wondering, is, is that like the security provided by the, whatever? they're called, Guerr or whatever they're called? Is that they feel safe because of them? Was that like one of their districts? I guess so. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then we had pigeon man.

Yeah, let's talk about Pigeon Man for a little second, shall we? Now, this guy weird to believe has been in the city. He's part of the union people, whatever their stupid name is. Union of Hope. Yeah, that's it. And he's been a pigeon guy, right? That's how they communicate with the homing pigeons. I got it.

and he's, you know, wandering the city with his pigeons. And so the military shows up from the Pouvoir or whatever they call themselves. And he's been there long enough to know that they're going to mess with him, right? I mean, I really was confused about how he went before the military guys to save his pigeons when he knew that they were going to kill him. He just knew that. It was just strange to me that he wouldn't, he wasn't smart enough to know I'm going to stay with Daryl

and let things happen to my pigeons and be done. But I love my pigeons. Yeah, he, I mean, he is. He just, it was like, those were like his dog, you know, like if he had a dog through the entire thing. I know. I know. And we all love our homing pigeons.

I got it. I know. That would totally be you, but instead of pigeons, there'd be little squirrels in there. It'd be like Jeffrey and his squirrels. Good God, man. Get rid of those squirrels.

No, I'm going to do it. If dad had homing squirrels, like messenger squirrels. He would totally do that. Yeah. I mean, I'm not opposed to homing squirrels. I'll tell you that right now. That's a good idea. That's a really good idea.

God, you nailed it right on the head, Jason. You tape a message on the back of that tail. You're good to go. That's happening, man. Ain't no one catching those damn squirrels. That's what they're so good about it. They deliver it. They know.

They know who gets the message. That's awesome. Anyway, and you do so. Anyway, it was sad to, you know, you knew the guys were going to kill him.

And Darrell, so now Darrell started a war. I mean, sooner or later, they've got to find the soldiers just dead in the street, right, with the pigeon guy. And he kicks a major ass there.

No doubt about it. Knife all twirling out of nowhere. And, like, This entire episode was just like Daryl on the warpath. I know. And that's the one thing he told Izzy, right? Well, you got one thing, right?

Paris sucks. Yeah. Yeah, it's like, so the way they're treating the Daryl Dixon character, it's got to be, again, that's got to be Norman Redis's input also has executive producer. There's no way he's going to allow them to like pusify that character, you know, or to make him, you know, I don't know, just like second fiddle or, you know, they're not going to do what they're, you know, did to Negan in the very big, you know, it doesn't, it feels like that's not going to happen, right?

I mean, in the end, we saw, and I know we're jumping ahead a little bit, but in the end when he's taking his Paris tour of the boat and the river, okay, all right, let's stop for there for a second. How about we put the kid inside the boat? I mean, everybody in the city is looking for the kid, and we're just going to sightsee on the river with the kid. Oh, look at beautiful Paris. Okay.

go down the river for our tour. But we see the Eiffel Tower, we see all the sites, and we see the Statue of Liberty, which gets him thinking about going home. But he doesn't know that he wants to go home because he's got to take care of the kid. He's got to deliver the kid.

He's watching over the kid for the Union of Hope people. And I don't think Daryl knows, although we know that he believes, right? We were talking about he's getting into the belief that the kid is definitely something. I don't think he realizes how much something the kid is.

You know, because the the Pouvois people or whatever they're called, they, she knows. There's no, we can't allow this hope to take place. Can't allow it. And so, and she saw it firsthand when she was questioning the union of hope people. And the lady was like,

no, he's the guy. He's the guy. And I'm really bummed that she did just take the baby, the head of the Puvua people. You remember when she was consoling the baby, crying and everything. You'll get the kid back when I get the other kid back. How about that? Or just kill it. And this is what's going to happen to all of you if I don't get the kid back.

You think she did that? I don't know. I don't know. I would, if I were her, I would say, you know, give me, give me Laurent back and then you can have your baby back. Otherwise, she knew they, except she knew that they didn't know where the kid was. Okay. All right. If I'm her, I think, I believe that they do know.

And, you know, we have to find a way to find him. I know that we, you know, the soldier guy that's after Darrell, I'll find him. I'll find him for you. I'm Mr. Evil. But she also knows that, you know, these people know where he's at. It's interesting. They actually don't. I didn't really pick up on that or if they even intended that.

But I was curious because the whole baby thing I just thought was weird when she's all comforting it. But it's an interesting just kind of metaphor. She didn't want, they couldn't allow hope and anything else outside the fledging little government they're trying to build here. Right. And when she did that, it was like, look, we'll take, we got it. You know, like, we'll take care of you. I mean, I wonder if that's what they were trying to do. That probably is it.

And it's also, it's hilarious from the people making this movie, but just the form of government that I'm sure they're all in love with. Yes, absolutely. It's kind of a critique on. It is interesting. No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no. No real politics right now, you do. When they-

politics is just, it's certainly interesting. I wonder when the director said cut. They all stopped and went. Hmm. There's some parallels here. You think we should cut that out? No, I'll leave it. Nobody else will see it.

The, okay, so then in the questioning scene, when we're questioning the one, the one soldier that's working for Izzy's boyfriend. Oh, that scene. I love the story, Daryl's story about Jimmy. Yeah. Great story. I don't know why, but I started humming that, I started humming Jimmy and the Pig to the Elton John song, Benny and the Jets. I was like, Jimmy and the Pig.

I have no idea why I just kidding. That's awesome. That was awesome. That was a badass scene. Oh, my gosh. That scene was great. Maybe one of the better acting scenes I've seen from Norman Redis. Probably in all of Walking Dead, but in anything else he's done.

It was really good. It was really good. And then to top it off as they're walking away, I just, made that shit up. Language. Okay. All right. I like it.

I like it. Because I don't think he did. And maybe it was just, I think, I feel like that's a real Norman Reattis, Darrell's story from his past. But he was remember because Isabel was like,

I don't believe you, I don't believe that was somebody else. I believe that was you. And he was like, no, I made it up. Yeah. No way.

Yeah, no way. No way. The drunk father, the brother. Yeah. Yeah. That was him. That was him. Yeah.

Nobody messed with Jimmy anymore. Okay. Truth is hope. Okay. Just remember that. Okay. All right. We got it.

When he was like shanking that guy multiple times prison style, I was like, dang. I know. This is for real. I know. Just like somebody did with the pig. Huh. Interesting. Yeah.

Really good. And then we had them trying to, them taking the secret way into the bar, and then the Union of Hope people setting a diversion at the main entrance, which was good. Yeah, that was interesting. And of course, the boyfriend, whatever his stupid name is, the leader of the, of the bar people, the nightclub people, he realizes that's a diversion when he goes out front. I will say that the Union of Hope people are some bad. shots and

maybe we need to learn how to throw a bottle from time to time. How many Miletov cocktails do they throw like four? They threw quite a few and they left some. What's funny is that's just kind of like the French national pastime. They riot.

They make Molotov cocktails. Their experts at it. They probably their grandma probably has a shopping cart full of Maltaf cocktails for the next riot. That's why they don't throw bottles away in France. They save them for just dead That's exactly what they do. We don't throw bottles because we used to sell them.

They don't throw bottles because there's going to be a riot next week in Paris. We're going to need them. Bank on it. We're going to need them. Yes. It's a pastime. That's exactly what happened. I thought the same thing.

Oh, my God. Okay, everybody, 8.30 next week? Yeah, let's go. Now, something that I noticed about that. So the boyfriend bar owner is good enough to be. be believable. He's not over the top. So like he's believable to me in what he's doing. Yes. He's not scary. But neither is the other chick. She's not scary. But what I figured out last night is that was kind of irritating me at first, but now the story is so good. That doesn't even

matter. So they don't even, they don't need a Negan character. They don't need a alpha character. They don't need it in the story because the story is just so good. You don't have to have these over the top larger than life villains well the the villain is the military right i mean there it doesn't have the military is already larger than life i mean that's you know that's part of the that's part of the storyline right i mean the character is not i understand yeah understand but she's in charge of what is the bad guy right she doesn't have to be this deganish character uh which is good and the bar guy uh the boyfriend right he just wants he's just trying to stay alive he's got a deal he's got he's been running his club he's got the girls his girlfriend is pissed at izzie's coming back she's all jealous

because he's going to take her place uh you know we know that uh laurent is his son right the the guy the kid who is now the one is his son which was i remember we all were actually like holy crap the last episode when when we found that out yeah that was an interesting uh that was an interesting side note of that uh of him being uh the father of of Laurent, no doubt about that. And that's the only reason he's still alive today, right? With the fight with Darrell, Darrell should have killed him. Yeah.

And he didn't want to do it in front of Laurent, which is kind of disheartening. Sorry, that was. That was another thing that, and I don't know, if Norman Reis is not executive producer, I don't think that fight goes down that way. I don't know. It's like, it seems like that's classic Walking Dead for them to fail or something. And Laurent doesn't get out or something like. that but it happened exactly the way I think the fans wanted to happen it was a good

fight readus knocks him the heck out and they doesn't kill him and then let's go it is great go we're out of here great yes yeah absolutely was great um and then of course you know we we have the meet up uh with the union of hope uh underground people and that's when we finally got to the boat and i'm really i'm really surprised that izzie is staying i'm not quite sure i understand why she's staying because Daryl needs her to get through France. I mean, now I guess he has the union of hope people to help him. No, no, it's just him and it's him and Laurent and the captain of the boat. Well, I know, but the captain of the boat is the union of hope people.

That's the underground movement of, you know, they're able to go around. So he's got, he's going to have those people to help him. but really she's the one. I mean, she's the one that can get him through. Well, I think, I mean,

wasn't the, what she said was that she can manipulate the boyfriend dude into manipulating the military group. Yeah, I guess. I mean, that was,

I think that's what she's banking on, that they can. Yeah, because remember, like, the, like, based on one of the last scenes of the episode,

was her walking back into the club. but yeah i guess i just i don't know that that's gonna pay off the way she thinks i feel like she should stay with darrell but i'm okay you know whatever the show's been great and uh you know i really i really haven't been in each show and look we got two more left right it's only six episodes of this which is kind of sad actually um because we're gonna be at the end of you know two more episodes is going to be like well crap let's go what are we doing and then we have the last episodes of fear. Yeah, which is great, which is great.

So amazing. Why do you shank Jason like that? Yeah. Jason like that. I just became the pig out of nowhere. You know, speaking of other episodes and other characters from Walking Dead, I was, as I'm watching this episode, and this episode comes to an end, and I really

enjoyed it. No question. I've been enjoying each one of these Daryl Dick and Talking Walking Dead shows. They really did. They've upped their game. No question. And I think you're right. They up their game with Dead City.

We all thought Dead City was good. It wasn't amazing, but Dead City was good. We all agreed on that. Yes. And then this show comes along being really good. And I think that is because of Daryl being one of the executive producers. I think it is finally he has a say, right? So are we, I think I'm done.

with Rick Grimes. I know we have the new, what's his new show with Mishon? The ones who live? Yeah, yeah, yeah, the ones who live. You know, I don't care. I think I'm at the point where I don't care. You know what?

You left and we've been waiting for you to come back. I know you had to be with your family. Uh-huh. And we've covered all that of why he left and was presumed what he said. I had to spend time with my family, even though I ended up spending all kinds of time on the set away from the family after that. But you know what? It's time to move on.

Rick Gras, there's his hat. He's dead. All right, we've moved on. You know, of all the things you've ever said, who would have thought that this was the moment, Jeff Fisher was canceled? I love Rick Gras. October 2nd, 2023, Jeff Fisher was canceled. He told me this like all.

the air and I was so like, what are you talking about? This was the day, mark it down, folks. I think I am. Obviously, I'm excited to see where the show goes with, what's the name of it again? The ones who live.

Stop it, you know. That's the way that works. That's the way that works. Anyway, you know, I just, it's been long enough. You know, it's been long enough. So, you know, so that that's our beef with how they handle Rick and the main show is everyone's forgotten. Everyone.

I don't, I don't, I don't know if that's all on AMC. I get it. They're part of it. But the issue is, I don't know if that's all part of AMC. And what if that's, because we know Andrew Lincoln also is a producer on those who live. We know that. what if he's been one of the holdups? What if Andrew Lincoln himself has been one of the holes going,

no, we have to get this right. Yeah, I know. I'm excited to have it. Well, for that show, yeah, but for the main Walking Dead show. Right. Like, it was... There was nothing. He said he wasn't coming back, so we knew that wasn't going to happen.

No, it wasn't. In the last season of the Walking Dead, we knew that there was going to be movies and spin-offs. Yeah, we certainly know. Well, the movies and the movies had been canceled, I think. that time, or at least hinted that they were going to be canceled. But their other shows were definitely being talked about. So that final season should have been full of wiggants, of teases. That should have been full of it.

Not the little stupid thing they had at the end, you know, the very ending thing. Yeah. It should have been full. I do kind of agree with you where it should have been like periodically spread out, not just like the last minute of the final episode. No question. We would have been so hype. we'd have been like,

ah, grh, I mean, yeah. I know. I know. I still canceled her. Well,

I think once that's, once, what's that show? What's that called again? What's that called next? What's that? With Rick and what's her face? The ones who,

yeah, the ones that. I think that once that comes on, I think you're going to be so fam-boid out. We're going to, you're going to be. Oh, yeah. Oh, no, no, no.

Here's the thing. If this show is good, oh, it's going to be great. Hello. Then we'll have Dead City. We'll have Daryl Dixon. And is this, do we know, I mean, I feel like there's no been no hence that this was going to be more than this, these episodes, right? The Rick and Michaud, the ones who live. Oh, I did remember that this was just going to be a one season.

season thing. Well, it was kind of the same thing for Darrell and then as soon as it aired, it was like oh hey, there's season two. Same with Dead City. So, hey. So maybe once it airs and everyone's like, holy crap, this is good. Hey, there's a, hey, season two. Or, hey, this is bad.

Hey, no season two. Okay. I don't, so they haven't announced a season two for Daryl Dixon? Yes, they have. They have. They have. They have. That's what I'm... That's what I'm saying is... When did they announce that? New York Comic-Con, I think.

think? No, not New York. I wasn't that long ago. I mean, they were already, the shows had already started, the episodes had already started this season. And then they were like, you know what we're going to do is second season. But the strike was still on. Obviously, the strike is over now, at least for the writers. But the strike was still on because I remember thinking, well, they announced it, but strike still on.

So who knows when it's going to happen? You know what I mean? I wonder if they're just going to time wherever Norman Reas plans on being for his ride season. Like this season, he's in Europe. Next season, he'll watch him do ride Africa. And all of a sudden, the boat, he wakes up in Africa and like, oh, that's a good. It's a conundrum how that happened. I have no idea. I've been trying to get back to America. What am I doing? No, I got a good, no, not Africa. No, we have to go, we have to go full on with a dude, New Zealand. Yeah, I mean, we'll get there. We'll get there soon enough. No doubt about that.

And why not, you know, really? Would any of us complain about that? No. No. Not if it's written like it is, this one is. I won't complain. No way. Doesn't matter. We certainly don't.

We certainly haven't really answered how he ended up on that side of France. Yes, we have. No, we haven't. Not to my satisfaction. I'll tell you that. Not to my sense. But, you know, we certainly, now he's trekking across France. And now he's, now he's on his own with this kid who doesn't know anything,

except that, you know, he knows, I guess he gets the idea that he's special. But, okay, easy there, special one. Okay. You are expected to know something from time to time, okay? Do a little prayer, make a few zombies divert the other direction. Thank you. Right. Stand in the middle.

Put your arms around me. Save me, too. Let's make that happen. So next week is Diaboors, episode five, which should be interesting. hopefully we'll see if if Izzy reconnects with Darrell because I think you know even though she's

a nun and you know she makes a point of you know taking the vows I think we're getting close to some Darrell business that felt like foreshadowing with the other one. A little conversation

yeah yeah it did so and the I'm here for it? Yeah let's see what anytime you can you know business with a nun wife literally Lord

all right so you're already canceled right so you might as well just go all in canceled again look I've run for Pope more than once in my life so I mean

I have an affiliation for nuns all right so I'm sorry So, facts are facts. So, final thoughts on episode four, Mr. There's a hype train going,

man. Keep that rolling down the track. It's just building stronger and stronger. At this point, I'm getting worried that they're not going to be able to live up to the earlier episodes. But, yeah,

just keep on, keeping it going. Yeah, no kidding. Max. I agree with Jason. This show's been really good. Can't wait to see how it continues and how it ends.

And I found it funny because when I was watching the episode, my phone kind of glitched out, so I had to restart, I had to go back into the app and watch the episode. So the episode restarted and I had to fast forward. I got the ad for the last episodes of fear. And I'm like, can you imagine? I'm just like, I am waiting for like the tone shift. The tones, like the tone shift, like the finale of Daryl Dixon to. the beginning of the end of fear and just that towed shift is going to be insane yes it is like when

fear starts my family has to hide all the sharp objects because i'm just going to grab one and it's like oh god well now you have a jimmy the pig story to use well uh fear is being aired so no problem all right thank you for listening to talking walking dead i appreciate it jason jason butrell maximus fisher and thank you for listening to talking walking dead