Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - S1 Ep1 | Talking Walking Dead | The Ones Who Live

Episode Date: February 27, 2024

Talking Walking Dead: The Ones Who Live  Season One Episode One     SHOW TITLED: Years…     With myself Jeff Fisher, Jason Buttrill & Maximus Fisher     EPISODE DESCRIPTION ON IMDB:  In another world, built on a war against the dead, Rick Grimes and Michonne attempt to find each other and who they were.     This is the Rick and Michonne story    Show Description:  The love story between Rick and Michonne. Changed by a world that is constantly changing, will they find themselves in a war against the living or will they discover that they too are The Walking Dead?        Each week we discuss the latest episode and what the future may and should hold.  We also discuss all things Dead.  Email the show [e-mail]  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Season one, episode one, the walking dead, the ones who live. This is the Rick and Michone's story. The love story between Rick and Michone changed by a world that is constantly changing. Will they find themselves in a war against the living or whether they discover that they too are the walking dead? This episode is titled Years. The episode description on IMDB in another one. world built on a war against the dead, Rick Grimes and Michone attempt to find each other and who they were. This is Talking Walking Dead. Welcome to it. Myself, Jeff Fisher, Jason Butrell, Maximus Fisher.

It's a while, everybody. This is Talking Walking Dead. How in the world, it has been a, it has been a minute since we have, well, it's been more than a minute, Jeff. I know. It's been a minute since We've had a little dead to talk about. And the ones who live supposed to be a one-off, you know, one season, and it's supposed to be done. And, you know, my gut reaction is, it was okay. It was okay. I liked it.

I enjoyed it. It was okay. No, Jason, oh, no. I don't really know what to say. I actually don't really know what to say. Well, how many years has it been since we've seen Rick? Six years? Long time. It was nice to see Rick.

It was good to see Rick. It was good to see Rick. I agree. I don't know if I like this show or not. I know. I think it's too early to tell, which is probably the most glowing thing I can say about a Walking Dead show since

Daryl. Besides Daryl. Daryl and Dead City. Yeah, they both were, you know, they both were excellent. enjoyed those, no question. Yeah.

But this absolutely was, you know, we got to see, you know, what Rick was doing. I thought for sure, I was so, for the first, for the first scene, I was so pissed when he was trying to kill himself. I'm going, they're not going to make him into a puss again, are they? No. And they did. Not going to try to kill himself. No.

And then the next scene, he cuts off his own hand. Yeah. So, I mean, by the way, they gave Rick the comic cutoff hand. He actually is missing his hand now. Yeah, I was thinking the exact same thing. And they gave him like a, I don't know, like an Assassin's Creed, you know, appendage. Which is kind of cool. I thought the little, you know, black fist with a knife was kind of cool.

Yeah, it was a good touch. I still don't. I really just do not know how to critique this episode. I think that, so what do we go from? We went from Gimple saying it was going to be like AMC movies, like multiple. That was the original plan. They had two or three movies. then like yeah two or three

I think it's three yeah that was the original plan like COVID hit it was like screw that it's just gonna be like then they said it was gonna be a theatrical release movie right that it got changed to a show

then it got changed to a show so I can tell that they like I think the budget was higher on this obviously but it feels like because of that maybe the first episode was so weird you know like all of the narration

in this show really pissed me off well you mean you mean because it was all Rick doing narration? Because you're not supposed to do... Well, yeah, and you're not supposed to do that in filmmaking. You're supposed to, you know, show them, not tell them. So we don't need Rick to tell us everything that he's been doing over the past few years, which is what this episode was all about.

We need to see all that. And they would have showed us that in a lot more detail in the films. Yeah. So you're seeing like a big time pacing issue, and I feel like that's really kind of distorting my view of this. That's something I think that my... might fix or build up steam towards the middle of the season or something like that.

I think. But can I say my biggest issue with this? Sure. I don't give a almost a bad word a crap about the Rick and Michone love story. Don't give a crap. That's the main thing too. Why? I think we're alone.

Jason, I think you and I a bit of me too. Maybe Maximus. But you and I for sure are alone on an island with this. I don't care. It was never a focus of the show. And now it's the focus of the return show of Rick Grimes. Right.

That's weird. I just don't buy it, I guess. And we went the whole show right that he's writing letters to Mishon. I didn't see any letters of being written to the kid. I thought the same thing. Oh, to Judith. He mentioned Judith like twice.

But barely. It was like you're not having visions or dreams of Judith. It's all just Mishone. Just Michelle. I don't care about the kid. I don't know, man. That's why I just don't know what to think about this. This is my oldest son. I wish he had died.

I'm so happy I still have my daughter to look forward to and get back to. Nope. Just Michelle. One thing I'm happy about, and I'll say this fully, it was, like you like saying, it was great to see Andrew Lincoln back, but I remember seeing a lot of people before the show. You included Dad saying like, oh, you don't, I don't know how Andrew Lincoln's going to go being Rick again. If he'll be good at it. He was amazing in this episode.

Andrew Lincoln was perfect as Rick again in this episode. Which is almost detrimental to the Walking Dead universe because he is such a better actor than anybody else they have. Yeah, he's the guy. It's obvious. Like he made that role, you know, himself. And he is such a good actor. I almost laugh when I think about some of the other actors in the show. I'm like, oh my gosh, he's just completely upstaging them.

Yeah, he's the guy. And he's been the guy and he was the guy. And that's what hurt so bad when he went away. Yeah. So, I mean, we laid the groundwork on, you know, where... We had a lot of World Beyond references. And World Beyond references. We had, you know, in the open, we got a fear reference, you know, with the maps,

and they show the nuke blast. And we see the maps of the country and specifically Philadelphia. So, I mean, we... And the World Beyond was definitely, I mean, Rick was then put in charge with... taking care of that big meeting that they were all waiting for it to happen at the end of world beyond yeah so i think we're we're like and it started out right this was five years after the bridge but and now we're like eight years got to be like eight or nine years now after the bridge right because he was upset when omaha went down and that was the beginning of world beyond and then then he was

then he was getting ready for the meeting, which was another year after that, which is when our world beyond dingleberries were trekking. That was kind of the end of world. To New York, yeah. How old is Judith? Judith is like, would be around. She's retired.

She's collecting CRM Social Security, living off the coast. So this episode had, so we had Rick obviously trying to escape, like knowing that Rick, is basically the only one that's ever tried to escape multiple times. Well, now the girl said she tried to. Like one, only once.

Yeah, Thorne. Thorne, yeah. So are you guys, that was the biggest question, and I think on everyone's mind, or at least it was mine, was this amount of time, why the hell did Rick not get back to his family? Because you know that would be the only thing on his mind. Number one. And this is why. So are you satisfied? Is that question answered for you guys?

I don't know. I mean, it's answered. The question is answered. Is it a satisfactory answer? It is a bit of one, but not the best, if that makes sense. Yeah, it does make sense because I don't know that it's a satisfactory answer, but that's the answer we have. It was, I mean, it was, you saw Rick being Rick at several points,

but that was not the Rick of the cannibals and the train car. No, it was not. That was not the Rick we fell in love with. No, this is the Rick from season 8 to season 9 after he beat Negan. Yeah, once, this is him after he pushed out. No, no, not that. I said, Pete Negan. No, I know, I know.

After he pushed out, then he became, you know, quasi-rick again. That's where he's at now. But he's not the Rick of the train car and... Character development. Yeah. Character development. I read multiple, I just kind of finished reading multiple, like, reviews of this episode to see whatever, like, kind of the feel. And it was really weird.

It seemed like, yeah, on social media, it seemed like people were a buzz about it. Like, they were liking it. I watched, like, I can't remember. Now I can't remember where the outlets were. But, like, one guy was kind of like with me. He wasn't really satisfied with it. And he's not entirely sure. Well, we have to wait for the rest of the episode.

We said that out of Dale, too. I think it was from, like, maybe Daily Beast. I can't remember it was something weird. And they're talking about how, yeah, they're completely deconstructing Rick Grimes and showing that he's nothing without his, you know, the people that's around him. And they just. And that author just loved it. I was like, what?

But is that what they're doing? No. Not at all. I didn't see that. I'm bummed that they got rid of the main guy. Oh, Okafore. Yeah, Okafore. I liked him.

I know. He was such a great character. Why build him up with that backstory? I don't know. You know, a pilot. I know. By the way, Bob was a lot. All was a buildup and he's dead.

That was a hell of a backstory. story. Yeah, it was great. It was great. Now, some had made the case. Not that I would ever make a case, but some have made the case that, you know, another black character goes down and walking dead. And anytime they have a good black character, have a nice day. Take care. I read someone say that as well, the exact same thing. That's not me. That's not this program. I'm just saying that's what I saw and read. But like so, and then we met, we met General Bale, which was cool because he was mentioned like five or six times and world beyond like oh he's the

guy in charge of the military. Yeah he's the guy and so he's you know Mr. I can look you in the eye and tell you whether you're lying to me or not. Okay. All right. All right. It was actually, I thought that was a cool back and forth. That was a great scene. That was a good scene. I thought so too.

Look me in the eye. You don't have to answer. Just look me in the eye. Oh, and we finally, after years get the answer on what A and B. means. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, with the A's and the Bs. And it was surprising that, uh, uh, what's your face, um, our girl, Jadis. Jadis. She saved Rick by calling him a B instead of an A. Because that's what, uh, that's what Okafor said is that it was as soon as the A's came in, they would get rid of him. Mm-hmm. So she saved Rick by calling him a B, uh, when he was rest.

But somehow Okofor immediately Right, I do you're an A right away I mean it's I mean with Rick it's kind of hard to To say oh this guy isn't a leader right Yeah that's true That's true and that's where remember Jadis told Gabriel I reminded that out this Jadis told Gabriel when they were in the junkyard

I thought you were a B and knocked him out because So she sees Gabriel as an A he's a leader he's a leader yeah absolutely it doesn't mean bloodthirsty for you know it just means yeah so i mean that's so yeah a means someone who you will follow b means the followers okay yeah it was just it was interesting to see them and we don't know if they're using the walk this in the beginning he talked about how they used the walkers for energy so are they doing the same thing that homeboys doing in new york i missed that hmm It was in the beginning.

In the very beginning, when he said they used them for energy. He was killing all of them. Yeah, when they're killing them there at the kill wall. So I guess they're doing the same thing that New York is doing, right? They're just burning them and making the energy. Now we know, here's the thing. We now know fully where the Civic Republic City is. Because we have theories, but now we know where it is.

It's in Philly. It's Philadelphia. So that, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, secrets among secrets among secrets thing i thought was kind of interesting and that's kind of what maybe satisfied me a little bit as the fact that i didn't actually get away because apparently it seemed like if you see that city if you know its location you're not allowed to leave and that is like one of the prime security concerns so if you're there you're there and they're going to do everything possible to keep you there so kind of get that i think our rick would have circumvented that somehow

but yeah well he was already doing i mean that's where his boy estabye's on. That was great. You might as well just join so you can, so they leave you alone. Then you'd be able to leave. And he was, Rick was like, oh, yeah. Okay, so his conversion,

air quotes, conversion. Yeah. Was it a conversion or was this still Rick playing the long game? No, I think it was playing along, right? Because that's what he tried to escape. And then he, then his hero complex kicked in because he saw a little girl he needed to save. Another little kid, too, thank.

She better not turn into. another kid we have to deal with as an actress or an actor on this show okay i don't want another little kid all right you killed off you killed off oak for this great character and if i have to deal with another kid man i want to that's gonna be it you are not alone inside i've read other people say the same thing it's so hilarious the people are skeptical of the show and wanted to be so much better they all realize the down the downfalls of it like there's a playbook for this to be good just follow I know, just follow it. You know, it's hilarious. We all said the same, very similar things about Darrell, like, this can be good, but we're scared they would mess it up. We do the same with Dead City.

And you know what? They'd worked out in the end. Every episode was continuously good or really good or great. Will they follow that trend with the ones who live? I hope so. Can they get three in a row? Dead City, Darrell, and then hopefully the ones who live. Fear, they just. had to get rid of and finish, so I don't want to count that. No, we're not counting that. My issue with, with this show is that it's starting off on a dumb premise, right? So we're going to make this the love story. No, well, most of a, okay, I don't even know if that's true.

But that is not what I want to see. I don't want to see an effing love story between Rick and Michone, something that never was prioritized before. It was just something that kind of happened. it was in the background. So it's like, I don't want to, I don't want to like have this reunion,

him finally back as that. At the point when they were together, it was just lack of options. Right. The thing is, it also, the reason, the reason Michone left was because,

because she found the, she found the boots and on the boat, which we saw, you know, Rick throw at the end and stuff. But the thing is, too, we saw their,

like the beginning of their reunion. Which, by the way, I have to admit, that was great when the helicopter crashed and then Michone's like taking off all their helmets. She sees Rick. They look at each other, recognize each other. Yeah, it was okay. It was good, I think. I mean, Michelle, not sure that I go with the young kid's softball mask. But that's okay.

I got it. With the tarp and the softball mask. Okay. All right. You're fine. No problem. You're out there, hawker people. Plus, where, Michone's killing people with the sword, right?

But she did sword the helicopter. That was brought down by rocket launchers. Like a little bit different, a weapon. It sounded like a rail gun or something. I thought it was aliens for a second. The way Okafor died, it was like a flare or something got into his chest. He's like bleeding out like, boom. I will say that when he,

died in I was I was shocked I was like I was not expecting that death I was like what that took me my surprise I was like whoa okay for sure he was gonna live and he should have lived that's this absolutely he should have it would have been great to see him like say because he's trying to change the military from the inside out that was he's his goal

we know that it would have been so cool to see him versus Jadis and they're like different ideals on this yeah well it also would have been cool if he lived and Rick lived, then they killed the rest of them, and they would just believe that they all died, right? But Rick and Okafer would go with Michone and her group and be on the outside.

Does Michone know about the, what's the other big group now? I forgot. Commonwealth? No, I don't know. She left before then, right? Okay, wow. That would have been interesting intel that Rick would have gotten, especially if he decides to stay in the CRM to keep changing it from within.

And then you say, I was thinking of this now that I'm thinking about the show again, right? So where his pal Estefan hooks him up with the idea of you might as well join, so then they leave you alone and then you could figure out a way. But there, at one point, he destroys everything, right? He destroys all his letters and the phones and everything, all the all the knicknacks that he had he destroyed them all after his failed escape because of the little girl he was like

so that's a very good point and that was after his fight and conversation and his conversation with Ogefort so yeah he was I don't know has he been converted yeah he was in he had already he had already he had already bought in so now having already bought in he's got

you know the wife staring at him crap I mean let's all just take a moment and imagine thinking you're without a wife for 10 years and then she shows back up. Just pause for a moment. Okay. One thing, actually, I did appreciate it because I was, I'll admit, I know we. I sure do love you. It's not where I put that stuff anymore.

Okay. I would you just dust it off and leave it there. One thing I actually do appreciate I was worried a bit I'll admit like I know none of us were the biggest fan of World Beyond but it was important and definitely more important than fear.

Yeah. I was I was a bit worried that oh due to a lot of the reception because World Beyond was not universally liked it was very much a middle show of the fan base. Yeah but throughout that show

the main reason we watched it was for the info on the Civil Republic. Yeah. They kept a lot of that info up where Omaha's dead. Omaha died. Now it's only two things, the Civic Republic and Nebraska, like all that. Did they explain in that show why Omaha went down? I don't remember.

Well, yeah, yeah. Remember, they said it was originally just like the official quote unquote that was given to the public was, oh, like, Walker's got in, tore the whole city down 90,000 people are dead. but we know it was an off branch of the civic republic military that gassed the whole place remember yeah but did they say why though i don't remember they never answered why i don't think they ever answered why but i feel like it was because they were all remember the doc and his kids who were part of world beyond were all working to solve the problem but not rule and i think that was the big problem is that yeah you can rule work on solving the problem but the point is is we're ruling everything.

We're not doing this for freedom. We're doing this for us to rule. What's interesting, too, is we kind of knew, we kind of were given this hint and world beyond, but now we know it for a fact with a, like, secrets on secrets and secrets, is the civic republic, the city, does not know what the military is doing at all.

And then the, and then the CRM military, most of it doesn't know what the higher-ups are doing at all. it's interesting yeah that is because Esteban is Mr. Bigshot now right he's in the end

that's gonna help that's gonna help in the end I hope it's gonna come back around because he will he will be able to realize that it's all not what he thought it was or maybe we can get

maybe we can get the city on our side like against the leaders of the military like yeah and that will happen because Esteban will believe in Rick and not the others So Max, you're the best to ask this. So since they're kind of blending the comic book storyline with Rick as far as with the hand,

do you think that he'll end up getting that his end at the end of this show series? Oh, what if they'll get like a different character to play the Sebastian type? Yeah. Maybe. Oh, that'd be interesting if Rick gets his comic death in this show. And if this is, these episodes are supposed to be a one-off, right? This season is supposed to be one season. and be done. That's what they reported.

You keep looking at me like I don't. I mean, I read the stories. And they said this was supposed to be a one-off. This is a one-time deal. And maybe, you know, maybe they talk him into doing more because if it's a big hit. But originally this was supposed to be just a, you know, one season and we wrap it up. So if that's the case, then that probably will happen. So now that is very interesting, especially if they're blending the storyline.

So like if they end it with Rick's death. and then they flash forward multiple years into the future. And then the world's kind of going back to normal. You know, there's more, you know, civilization. Yeah. And you see that, okay, humanity won. Right. That would be interesting.

Judith is in a wheelchair. You could actually show grown Judith. Yeah, absolutely. You could. So, by the way, something I noticed, they were playing the ads of like the Walking Dead universe. I think we actually, if I read it right, I could be very wrong.

If I am wrong, yeah, let me, people. I didn't do much research on this one, so my bad. I think we have, they gave season two of Daryl a name. They did? Yeah, because on the, like, on like the ad before where he goes, oh, the Walking Dead universe, just showing everything, like in ads for the different shows. It showed like, Coming Soon, Daryl Dixon, the Book of Carol. Oh, yeah, well, yeah, they named it that.

I do know that. You're right. That's what they did in that because it was they were bringing Carol back and it is the book of Carol. And they showed some footage. Yeah. Did you see that? Yes. Yeah.

Yeah. So that's correct. Yeah. Don't know what I think about that. I know. I don't know either. I don't know either because I know what I thought about when I first saw it. And it wasn't, it wasn't, it wasn't happiness.

But we'll let it go. And I did. I let it go. I said, okay. They had such a good thing going. Like, why center it on Carol now? Like, what? Like, you had a great thing going.

Just stick with it. Right. Like, I think we all agree. We have to wait to see where the ones who live ends up and how it goes. Like, Maybe it right. Maybe it ends in, you know, notebook style. And Rick and Michone are laying out of bed and they both died at the same time.

It's over. Have a nice day. Both 90 years old. Yeah, they're both dead's fine. Rick is hugging her and they're holding a stump to hand and they both die. You know, I think I would be okay if they did ultimate closure at the end of the over. Let's see how this goes. Like, you're right, Jason.

They have a roadmap. We know we're going to see Jadis this show. We know she's in it. We're going to see Jadis. Well, yeah, she's got to come looking for them. Yeah. We're probably going, we're probably, I know we won't like this much. We're probably going to see a good chunk of the world beyond crew at some point.

That's my guess. We're probably going to see Morgan. Maybe. You know, it's interesting. I was reading some, I was reading a ton of reviews. I was reading this one review and this one lady said, I think it was a lady, said that every time they go to like a civilization, like every time the show is centered around like a built up civilization where everyone's eating ice cream and stuff and blah blah blah. It seems like the show loses a big part of itself. And I tend to agree.

Like that author said that the show was the best when it was. was a small group of people scavenging around. It felt post-apocalyptic surviving. Yeah. I got to agree, man. Well, that's what made Rick Rick, right? That's what made us fall in love with Rick. Was the choices were made that he had to be a bad guy to be the good guy.

Yeah. And you don't mess with Rick, right? They're messing with the wrong group of people because we're surviving. We want to live. We want to get back to normal, but that whole, the normalcy isn't, you know, the top. square with the ice cream and, you know, the pretzels. Yeah, I don't necessarily disagree with that. I think that's kind of why we liked Dead City so much, because it wasn't a, like, New York

wasn't a civilization. Manhattan was closed off with this gang by a phone Egan. Yeah, it was the new, it was a new world, but it was, you know, run by phones. Sure. And it was, and it was still, you know, apocalyptic. Right. Which is what made the show, makes the show great. But it can't continue that way

Society would start to rebuild And I mean as much as it pains me to say it It's time for it to come to an end It really is Because you just can't keep doing these It's not as interesting If you're in this big built-up society It's in no it's not

Opinion No it's not It's not There has to be an end Yeah so we'll see how the ones Who live go Well let's hope it goes well Let's hope they get a three-peat

Let's hope they get Dead City was good Darrell Dixon was good. This started off okay. Let's see. Okay. Thanks, Mr. AMC. Am I wrong?

No, you're not wrong. You just get the heck out of here. Final thoughts, Mr. Vutrell? My final thoughts. With us talking it through the way we did, if this really is the ultimate closure to this story, the Rick Grime story, I'm a whole lot more

I guess I don't know I'm looking forward to it a whole lot more than I was before like if we're moving towards ultimate closure this will be I will still be satisfied at the end of the season Yeah let's do it Yeah excellent I agree

It was amazing seeing Andrew Lincoln as Rick again He is still great I agree with Jason Let's see where this goes If we get ultimate closure at the end of this season Or hey they tell us It's only like we're beyond. We're only getting two seasons, and season two is the ending.

That might work, too. Give us more time. But let's see. I know we're still in the beginning. We're not sending Rick to a nursing home. That's not happening. We're going to end this thing. We're going to end this thing and be done with it, okay?

Okay, well, either way. The episode was okay. It was pretty good. Great seeing Rick again. Good, not bad characters. Surprised Oak of Ford died. Yeah, sad. Father?

Next week is titled Gone. So hopefully we'll see. It'll probably be the Mishone backstory where she's been, right? And what she's been doing. Oh, great. I know. I know. The thing is, I'm okay with Mishone by herself.

Mr. Amcey. Go ahead. I don't mind seeing that part of the story. The only problem is, I bet you the original version of this was going back and forth. This is what Rick's doing. Now this is what Michone's doing. Now at the same time, this is what Rich's doing. Now the same time, this is what Michone's doing.

And it's better that way. That would have been great. Yes. Which is what I actually expected last night. And not the full Rick rhyme story. I think that's better. Instead of a full-on episode of what next week of what Michone was doing, I just, eh. It's probably going to be that.

I don't know that. You know. You know, Gimble didn't send me a script. He didn't send me the first three episodes to a review. I'm surprised. You know, screw you two, Gimp. This is Talking Walking Dead. But, you know, I'm just guessing that that's probably what it's going to be.

All right. So Jason Butchell, Maximus Fisher, myself, Jeff Fisher. Thank you for listening to Talking Walking Dead. And we'll see you here next week on, yeah, Talking Walking Dead.