Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - S1 Ep3 | Talking Walking Dead | The Ones Who Live

Episode Date: March 12, 2024

Talking Walking Dead: The Ones Who Live  Season One Episode Three     SHOW TITLED: Bye     With myself Jeff Fisher, Jason Buttrill & Maximus Fisher     EPISODE DESCRIPTION ON IMDB:  While pretending to be strangers, Rick and Michonne search for a way to survive under the eyes of the Civic Republic.    This is the Rick and Michonne story  Show Description:  The love story between Rick and Michonne. Changed by a world that is constantly changing, will they find themselves in a war  Against the living or will they discover that they too are The Walking Dead?        Each week we discuss the latest episode and what the future may and should hold.  We also discuss all things Dead.  Email the show [e-mail]  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Season one, episode three, the ones who live. This is the Rick and Michone story. The love story between Rick and Michone changed by a world that is constantly changing. They will find themselves in a war against the living, or will they discover that they too are the walking dead. This episode titled by B-Y-E, episode description on IMDB, while pretending to be strangers, Rick and Michone's search for a way to survive under the eyes, the watchful eyes of the Civic Republic military.

This is Talking Walking Dead. Welcome to it. Myself, Jeff Fisher, Jason Butchral, Maximus Fisher. Thanks for listening to Talking Walking Dead, Episode 3 of the ones who live. You know, I enjoyed the episode. I'm just going to start right out. I enjoyed the episode. and then I spent the day thinking about the episode

and I'm kind of like, eh, okay. But at the time, had we recorded immediately after the show, I would have been a lot better off. I don't know. I'm still not sure if I like it or not. It's really weird. I don't hate it.

I'm just not sure if I like it. There's like these little clues where they're like, you know, what's the South African chick what's her name Thorne Thorne where Thorne is like Does he look helpless to you You know like they're building him up like he's this badass

And like he had that record His kill count record You know like spray painted up on the building Like yeah he's the badass you know everyone knows he's the badass But he's not acting like it I know It's not the Rick that we know He's completely it's almost like he's surrendered

And we don't see And we don't see anyone, if he's this badass and he's got the kill record up on the wall and, you know, he's on the ring of honor. No one, no one acknowledges it when he's out for his walks or walking around. Nobody's, crimes, grimes. Right, right, yeah. No one acknowledges it when he takes his helmet off. It's really weird. Obviously, he's not a red stripe yet.

He's going to be promoted. We know that. Yeah. I just think it's, I don't know, it just seems like out of character, and I think I know the reason why, is because they dug themselves into a hole. Like, they have this badass character, the most badass in the history of Walking Dead universe. And somehow you have to explain why he's been stuck there for that long. Right. Like, but that's not in his character.

He would have found a way home if he would have had to kill every single person in Philadelphia. Which I believe. Which I believe to. So, I don't know. That's why I'm saying. Like, I don't dislike it because it's Rick, you know, and it's The Walking Dead, but I'm not sure if I like it. They're driving me to kind of be okay with Rick and Michelle. They are written a lot better in this show than they were in the main show.

And I think that's because of the intervention of Andrew Lincoln and Denai Guerrera, because they're actually producing half of the show as well. So I think because they're involved, they're making their relationship feel a bit better than, okay, here's the script. The chemistry is still not there in my opinion. They're trying so hard, but it looks like they're both, like it's like if there was two gay siblings and they were they were forced to kiss each other. That's what it looks like. That is like the weirdest analogy you have ever come up with. Well, that's a pretty good one, though.

It is a pretty good one. Chemistry on the level of two gay siblings. They have to kiss each other. But they have to kiss. The episode actually starts off with, obviously, like, they actually have the consignees visit Philly, and like this is what you're working to get into, and he runs into Jadis.

Yeah, that was early Jadis. Yeah, that was... Before she joined up with the military. Well, she, I don't know, she may have already been with the military, but because she was back in Philly after she was, that was her trash. lady, right? Yeah. That was post-trash lady because she had saved Rick and that was already, you know,

Rick has healed up. So it had to have been months later. And that, so, and that was odd to me too. So all she had to do to get that coveted, you know, citizenship status was to give them Rick? No, well, she, she made, she said later in the episode she had given them a ton of resources over the years as the leader of the scavengers and had been. Right. And Rick. And Rick. was just one of them. And Rick became the final straw because she was like, I have this person, I'm done, I've completed everything you told me to do,

let me in. It's been, she had said years, so it was probably multiple years of her doing that for him. I just, I don't know why he would be such a good get to put her over the hump because he's just a normal guy. Like they classified him as, what was it, an A or B

or whatever. She classified him as a B, which she believed, we believe that she did that to save his life. Yeah, save him. So that they wouldn't kill him because they killed off all the A's that they were bringing in. Mm-hmm.

I don't know. Okay. Okay. She looked a lot better with the regular hair, though. I will say. Which was mentioned in this episode. Yeah, but I like her, though, with the short hair, man.

She looks badass with the short hair. I was texting back and forth with our good friend Brad Staggs, and he was like, why did they turn Jadis into a Vulcan? And that's exactly who she looks like. And it's hilarious too, like as though Rick goes, you're a hero with a crap haircut. Yeah, but Jadis has been, I like her character.

She was the, okay, she was the best part of world beyond. We all agree on that. She was the best part of world beyond, and she's amazing in this show. Yeah, I like Jadis, and I like the plan. I, uh, I don't know. I mean, she's crazy. We know that. And, you know, she believes that their fates are bound, she said.

Otherwise, she believes in what the Civic Republic's doing. Yeah. And she does. 500 years but if she believed in that if she actually believed in that there's got to be something more to that because if she actually believed in the civic republic right she would maybe she keeps rick but she doesn't keep michaud she kills michon right then because she even said you two together can do anything and then we even had michawn you know daydreaming about we can do anything and so she should be dead i mean why are we even why is

Jadis keeping her around at all. There's got to be an ulterior motive to that. Yeah, I don't, possibly. But just to playing devil's advocate, the last thing you want to do is kill Michone, if you want to control Rick. That's the last thing you want to do.

He would go absolutely apeshit if someone killed her. Yeah. That is true. Completely off the handle. Which is why he got her away. And the thing is, did you notice when he said, I sent her off, when he believed she left, Jadis was like, I don't believe she would have left without you, but if she did, I'm with you.

I'll help you cover this up. Yeah. Yeah, that was interesting. I know, that whole escape thing. I'll meet you. And then the note of I'm not coming, get out of here. Yeah. Again, that's where they get you into this new Rick, where we have to believe that he's,

He's trying to actually buy into the Pacific Republic. But he's buying in because he has to. I think he believes... Completely resigned to his fate, which does not seem... I think he believed in what Okafore was doing, trying to change it from within. Okay, so I'm back and forth on that. Because when he went out, when he first saw Michone, he was like, I'm not with him. You know, like, I'm just trying to basically, I'm just trying to find my time and get out of here.

But that goes completely opposite of what he said to O'Gafour. we're like, okay, I'm in. I mean, he's cut off his hand. He's tried to escape a thousand times according to them. Four. Technically four. Like I said, a thousand times. And, you know, I mean, he cut off his hand.

He's wandering around with his fake hand, which we haven't seen him use, by the way. We saw last night. With the knife? Yeah. Yeah. He killed, he killed like three walkers. Oh, in the Walkerfield there? Okay.

With the wheelbarrel bomb? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was a wheelbarrow ball. I didn't think about that, the wheelbarrow bomb. Yeah, the wheelbarrow bomb was kind of cool. That was kind of cool. And I actually kind of got a cool feeling. Like I got a big smile on my face when Michone started pushing it, but then Rick caught up with her and was all, let's go.

I was like, yeah. That seemed more Rickish to me. So I don't know. But then we saw. But see, Thorne knows, right? Because, okay, let's talk about that. When they were out in the Walker Field and they have their, the wheelbarrow bomb. She aimed for.

Thorne knows she's got to die, right? And so she, while you're right, if one of those were to kill Michele, but what she doesn't realize, I don't think is that if she were to kill Michelle, I mean, she's dead. There's no way Rick lets her live. No way. He was just about to kill her in that one scene where she was pulling that knife. Right.

I was like, oh, is he going to be about to kill Thorne? That was a hell of it. That was a tension-filled scene. And I mean, I don't know about you, but I wanted it to happen. I did too. We've already lost the midget. We've lost Okafer. I don't care about Thorne either.

By the way, I didn't realize until this episode, like, where they were. Did you notice, like, where O'Kefour took them and then where they take Michone? Did you know where that was? Same spot. Yeah, it was, I realized it from the, from like the scene with Mishone. It's the ruins of Lincoln Financial Field. Oh, that's the stadium. It's the ruins of the Eagles Stadium that he blew.

love. Yeah, that's the stadium. Belongs in ruins. Yeah. Glad they showed that in ruins. Good stuff. Yeah. Why would that be? Hey, can we, what is this super secret squirrel briefing that the heads get? So remember, we knew from Rick and multiple people. the entirety of the civic republic of Philadelphia, the actual city of Philly,

knows nothing of what the military is doing. The military is just there to protect it. And then the military, there's most of the military, and then there's the 10% of the military, which are what we call what we everyone is calling the red stripes. And to become a red stripe, you have to be promoted, I guess, by hand by General Bale. and then he gives you that briefing.

Which is what? Briefing of what they do. Like what is it? What is the, what is the, what is the, what is the, what is the real thing we're doing?

What we, you know, we had Nebraska and we wiped them out because they got a little uppity. She kept saying, I know what's out there. You know, you don't.

I was briefed. I'm like, what the heck is out there? That's so crazy. we know what's out there too right I mean we that's where our people have been what are we talking about

I thought Nebraska was still there I thought it was Omaha that was well yeah they didn't wipe out the entire state I know I got that I thought it was just Omaha they didn't wipe out all of Nebraska although I'm not opposed to that anyway but so we know at the end of the episode

she said bail wants to talk to you you're getting promoted so he's becoming a red stripe now so I think we're going to see the briefing with Rick. We're not, though, because the show ended with Michone pushing them out of the copter. Okay, episode five. We'll see the briefing episode five, probably. So you're assuming that they're not going to be gone?

I'm assuming that's what my assumption is. So they're going to fall out of the helicopter and land in a tree and make love and then wander back to Philadelphia. Well, no, remember, they had that button on their uniform. Press this. Time out. Okay. They literally explained this. That button on their uniform.

You press this, any helicopter that's in within a hundred miles will be able to pick up your ping. I wish everyone listening to this podcast right now could see Jeffie's face when he narrated that scenario. Seeing it in person's an interesting concept. But did you not hear any of that? I did. I did hear that. Okay, so, all right, so they've fallen out of the holidays. helicopter and we're stuck in the tree and oh my gosh we landed in an abandoned parrot nest so we're safe and we're going to stay there and we're going to hug and kiss and then we're going to push our button and the helicopter's going to come and rescue us and we didn't jump out we fell out because it was storming and it got too bumpy that's what you're telling me they're going to that's going to happen I don't think they're going to land in a parrot nest but yes

show. Yeah, I don't know. At the end of that preview, it showed a helicopter showing up to that apartment building they were in. So I don't know if one of them tripped the that little alarm. That was like foreshadowing totally. Right, which is what I was talking about that button. Which is what Ax was talking about. Yeah. Totally. Yeah.

So I mean, I don't know. He can't, Rick can't leave. He's got to have some kind of excuse. The thing is too. Judith will be dead. Yeah, he, you can't, they're going to kill everybody in Alexandria because of Jadis. And And Michone doesn't know that yet.

No, she does not. No, she does not know that. This needs to be conveyed like ASAP. No kidding. I mean, that's what was, that was the whole point, right? That was the whole point of getting her out. And then Rick could get her out and have her gone. And then he could work on getting out.

But he needed her gone to do that. So why didn't he tell Michone that? I don't know. She saw Jadis. He wanted her to leave. And like, remember as soon as he- I know, that's my point though. But if he was,

have said, look, I've set this up for you to leave. And the reason I want you to leave is because if we both go or you go and they know that you've gone, then all our people are going to get killed. So we need to have you go and be disappeared like you're dead. And then I'm going to work to get out of here knowing that you're still alive and our people and my daughter is still alive. knowing that I could have something to actually leave here and go to. We're probably going to get that explanation in the next episode, so Rick and Michelle can talk. This is when they're in the abandoned parrot nest. Yes, because remember, when she saw Jadis, he ran up to her and basically said,

what we had is broken, basically lying to her to get her away. Did he try to sneak her out after she saw Jadis in the show? No, no, that was, no, that was before. Wait, no, no. She, you're saying that she saw Jadus before he tried to sneak her out. No, no, after. You tried to sneak her out. And then she had come back.

And that's when Jadis saw her, right? Which, oh, there she is. She's noticed on here. Right. Right. Because Jadis was already up until that point. Thought that Rick was correct when he said that she's gone. Yeah, because he was.

she was willing to cover it up for him. Right. Right. Right. Okay. So you said, Jason, yeah. That you had an idea of what the future may hold.

What is that? Well, I hope, which gives the ultimate, you know, closure to this series is that he gets his comic book death. And he gets, killed by like the general's, you know, son or so I, my, it would be cool to see the son.

Yeah, that's why we talked last week. The son has to come back. The crossover from World Beyond. Yep. He comes back and Rick kills the general. The son kills Rick. And then maybe Mishone is back and they, she kind of slides into leadership role or so. I don't think they're going to be able to do that in one season.

I, I know you keep, they haven't told us anything about a season two. They didn't tell us anything about a season two about Daryl. until it ended on the Carroll cliffhanger. Yeah, but they never, hey, we're going to get season two. I know, but they never opened Daryl with anything but, hey, this is a, you know, they didn't say, hey, this is a one-off. They did say that with the ones who live. They did say that this was a one-off. Rick's got to be with this real family.

He can't be on the set recording things all the time. Yeah, I mean, I think he just agreed to this to give the fans some finality, you know, do the movie. Well, I hope that's true. I hope that he realized when he left. I joke around about him wanting to be with the family, but that's what he said. And then we saw him taking pictures half the time on the set. Like, I guess he spent three weeks at home and said, I don't want to be taking the trash out and taking the kids to school.

I got to go back in Georgia. Look at the time. And so, but I think hopefully he realized, which he should have already known, but maybe he's so insulated he didn't that you are the walking dead bro you walking away from this is like a slap in the face to every person ever in line at comic con are you kidding me i know and it's it's so evident when he's on screen he's just he is walking dead i know he's so much better than everyone else in the character he's a great actor well i mean but that's it's him the show is him what do we even Why are we even pretending that it's Michaud? Stop it. It's not. That's why I think there will be a season two.

I think there will be a season two. I want him to get his, I don't want him to get his comic death, but I think that should be at the end of the second season, not a first. Okay. All right, well, we have three episodes left. To me, sorry, to me, it feels like Michael Jordan when he came back to play for the Wizards.

It was just never the same. I don't want to see Rick become that. I don't want to see him in a wizard uniform. I just don't want to see it. And we certainly don't like it when he's in the wizard uniform. Red stripe or no red stripe. We certainly don't like it. You know, it's like, what the hell are we doing?

Get out of there. Really? Yeah. I know. I don't know. And then he's going to retire and go play baseball. We're going to have Rick playing baseball in another city. what are we doing?

Stop it. Just stop it. Yeah, I don't know. I think maybe some of my bigger larger issues just with like how I don't mean, to me, the story just feels very rushed or I don't know. Like it's just kind of coming out of nowhere. I don't know about rushed. I think, I think we're.

This doesn't feel rushed. I don't know, but it does feel, I think that. Pacing. Pacing is what's the issue to me. This whole show series, the ones who live, I feel like. I feel like would have been what they originally had up on the storyboard for movie one or two, or maybe movie one and two. Yeah.

And now we've condensed it down to six episodes. That's why I think there will be a season two, because I think they tried to do the original plan, we all know, was a trilogy. They said that flat out. They were going to tell a story amongst a trilogy. It's going to be hard to tell a trilogy story between, between six episodes. So what I think, they're going to go

all of movie one and half of movie two-ish for season one, and then finish it off for season two, and that's where it ends. That's my idea. Okay. It could be. I hope not,

because to me, that's Rick Grimes in a wizard's uniform. Yeah. Well, we have three episodes in this season left. Next week is, uh, what we?

And then, uh, the episode after that is, become and then the final episode is titled the last time so I mean they could wrap it up I mean it makes it seem like it's the they're going to wrap it up with the last time but I mean maybe they'll do a you know last time part two tour everyone else does just kidding this is the last time So, I mean, okay, so I'm going to leave it with, I think I do agree with you, Jason, that I like it, but I don't know that I actually really do like it. Every time I watch it, like I said, I watched the episode last night.

And if you, if we just sat down and talked right then, I would have given, I would have liked it and it would have been good. And I like the episode and I like it. I like Thor and I like the battle between, I mean, Rick's got the chicks coming to his apartment all night. and it's not Michon. And then she's and she's still back in the city. So Rick is taking care of some serious business is all I know. But I'm just saying that it feels like it's not as enjoyable as it should be. I don't know.

It's really weird. No, I'm right there with you. I blame pacing. I blame them trying to explain the new Rick and why he did not move heaven and earth to get back home. and it just kind of created almost a new character who also was named Rick Grimes which we which they have done they've given us a new character that's Rick Grimes

and it's always agonizing and then we give flashbacks of the old Rick and that's the Rick we love because we've had I think we've had at this point five different ricks we've had beginning Rick where he was the Goody Two Shoes Cop then he became the complete psychopath then he was the guy

that was broken by Negan. Right. Then after that, he was the nice, benevolent leader that led everybody peacefully. And then now we have this, Rick. The one who is a soldier, but is scared of the higher power. If he starts talking to ghosts again, I'm turning the TV.

That's happened once. Once. I know. That happened to once. He started picking up the phone. That's when he was starting. Yes. That's when he became the psychopath.

It became a pig farmer. Remember that? It became a pig farmer. Oh, you know, get those days back. All right, we're out of here. All right. So we'll look forward to next week, and we're still there. We're still enjoying it.

We've got, you know, three episodes left. It's not as bad as fear. It's not, there is not a show on television right now. World beyond. No, not. Not as bad as fear. I'm sorry. No, I'll fight you on that. You're done. As bad as field, world beyond, worse than fear?

Oh my gosh, guys. No. Seriously? The only thing missing from World Beyond is they didn't leave in the middle of the season to go learn karate from an old bald guy with a bow staff. That would have tied it completely for me. We're done now. His hatred of fear is unwa-weigh-weigh- That might have been the best episode I'd fear. I don't know what we're even talking about.

Anyway, for my thoughts, this was a pretty good episode. I do agree. It feels the pacing's a bit off. But let's hope what they do next episode. And yeah, let's see what happens. All right, Jason Butrell, Maximus Fisher, myself, Jeff Fisher. Thank you for listening and coming along for the ride. We'll see you back here.

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