Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - S1 Ep4 | Talking Walking Dead | The Ones Who Live

Episode Date: March 18, 2024

Talking Walking Dead: The Ones Who Live  Season One Episode Four     SHOW TITLED: What We     With myself Jeff Fisher, Jason Buttrill & Maximus Fisher     EPISODE DESCRIPTION ON IMDB:  Rick and Michonne try to find the love they had.       This is the Rick and Michonne story  Show Description:  The love story between Rick and Michonne. Changed by a world that is constantly changing, will they find themselves in a war against the living or will they discover that they too are The Walking Dead?        Each week we discuss the latest episode and what the future may and should hold.  We also discuss all things Dead.  Email the show [e-mail]  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Season 1, episode 4, The Walking Dead, The Ones Who Live. This episode titled What We? Reminder, this show is the love story between Rick and Michone, changed by a world that is consistently changing. Will they find themselves in a war against the living, or will they discover that they, too, are the walking dead? this episode description on IMDB, Rick and Michone try to find the love that they had. This is Talking Walking Dead. Welcome to it. Myself, Jeff Fisher, Jason Butchell, Maximus Fisher.

Appreciate you coming along for the ride on Talking Walking Dead. I just want to, before we get into the entire episode, I will say a line from my father. and law as we watched the episode last night. In the middle of the episode, he says, this sounds like it was written by a woman. Yes, yes, it was. Yes, yes, it was. People don't talk like that.

It sounds like a novel. You had to put that in here. In the opening, in the opening sequence, they should have had the cool little animation. It should have been one of those cheesy romance novel, you know, cover this rick's wearing like this silk shirt that's like half off his body you know like oh yeah i never thought this could happen but then it did uh so we find out that they jumped into water and that's what from the helicopter scene at the end of last episode and that's how they survived

and then they find a building with fully functional internet of things uh well i mean almost fully functional. I mean, the Roomba worked. Best character in Walking Dead history, the Roomba. And the stereo work, because we got a little Tony Orlando and Dawn, a little tie of yellow ribbon around the old dog tree, three long

years. You still want me. A classic from Tony Orlando and Dawn. He was singing it all night after the episode. The finding of that building, the fact that it was there, is come on, guys. Amazing. That's the

dead, baby. I love it. That was so stupid. This is a world where like if they find a prison, they're happy. You know what I mean? Like, oh my gosh, you can turn this into some kind of like lodging. It would be, it's, it'll be so cool. But why do that? Why scrounge for food? Why look for like a hut or a yurt? When you got a full, like the house of the third century.

Where they found the prison. They didn't. Oh my gosh. We've got this building. where people are still living like kings. Okay. No one's seen it. No one's found it. Well, okay.

To be fair, if we're trying to be a bit more realistic-ish, the reason no one's found it is because CRM has basically kept the tri-state area under lockdown. I don't care. There would be people all up in that bitch. It'd be all up in that. There were people in that, and then they left. That's true. That's true.

there were people in that and then there weren't anyway so it was fascinating that we find this building and they were up quite a way so i was amazed that you know they crashed they swam to shore they walked in they found this building went up i don't know how many stories they were up and they found this perfect department that was away from everything i mean great i guess great My, I guess, one or two sentence critique of this episode is that everything was dumb. None of it made sense. Everything was awkward. Had a few good moments that I was like, oh, that was kind of good moment.

But I guess it was needed. It absolutely was needed. It was just like, ugh. We knew this episode was coming. We all knew it. Had to. And honestly, like, the way it ended, the way it, like, I think. I thought, I understand where you're coming from, Jason, but I thought the way it actually

ended and the way everything resolved was good. Well, so my comment on that was, yeah, I'm happy with the new direction, for sure. Rick's mindset, I'm a lot more happy with now. So that was a good kind of like tie a yellow ribbon on, you know, on the episode. The old tree, don't. Don't be smirked. Stoney, Orlando and Dawn. Don't do it. Oh, God.

But it was just, I mean, the chemistry remains absolutely less than zero. So the entire time, I'm just like, it's so cringe. You know, like, even... I will say this was probably, I mean, I know, I think Max was talking about last episode where the chemistry seemed better. I will say that this episode, the chemistry did seem a little bit better. Are you serious? I did, but not think it up that.

at all? Really? I don't know. It felt better than the Walking Dead main show. Oh, yeah, for sure. That doesn't mean it's amazing, but it means it's better than it was. The business scene, which is where, you know, we had to get

to, I mean, there was, hello, duh, we're in an apartment that has a room but cleaning everything up. We still have to talk a little bit about a Michelle and Rick's business one. That has to happen. I love after, I love after Rick's notices it, and he's like, what the hell that?

I was a rumba. It's kind of strange. There's a couple things that happened in that episode that I thought Rick would know what that was. Like, he would know what a rumba was. Not really. The rumbbas were really became popular in the like the,

like late 2000s, early 2010s, which is... He was a deputy sheriff. We're going to town in Georgia. You know what a rumba is? And he couldn't drive a stick. That pissed me off.

That pissed me out. Because of his hand. It's his left hand. Oh, that's a good point. No. But he still, he still. His left hand is the one. He still could have his right hand.

He still could have driven. Wait, Tom, did you forget? I was like, wait a minute. I did forget about the hand. So that's right. Okay, I'll give him that. I'm still pissed that he can't drive a stick. But I did forget about the hand.

He knows how to drive a stick. We've seen him drive a stick before. He can't with his head. He can drive it. with his right hand perfectly fine. I thought so, too. His left hand is the one that's lopped off. Right, if he needed to, the hand, the stuff could drive the steering wheel.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Nobody, if you're cool, no one grabs the wheel with your left hand. That's a good point. You, like, put it over the wheel. Yeah, that's a good point. Plus, if he's got his, plus if he's got the sword on, I mean, if he's got the, just use the knife.

Yeah, that made, that was so stupid. I was like, he's got his right hand. He can drive that. And then on top of that, so now I'm pissed about him not being able to drive a stick. And I got it. I forgot that he had the stump. But then he puts a seatbelt on. What are we doing?

Well, we're still following seatbelt laws in the middle of the Walking Dead? No. No. I'm sorry. No. In the words of Jeffrey Fisher, he was a deputy sheriff. He follows the laws. Come on.

No way. Every police officers put their seatbelt on behind them so they can get in a, out of the car. No cop wears a seatbelt. They only ticket you for that problem. Back to blue, though. Anyway, so back to the episode. It was fascinating. She wrote it.

You know, Michelle wrote the episode. This was her deal. She wrote it. She produced it. She directed it. It was all her. You know, they even talked about it. What's his face? Gimple. Talked about how when they were going down the list of

shows, she said, oh, I'm writing that. one. And she did. And so, you know, she's actually an award-winning playwright. First of all, I just want to be clear about this award-winning playwright. All right? So the one play that she won an award on, it was nominated for a Tony Award for Best Play, didn't win. What it won for was Best Outfits. So I'm just saying. I know that she's got a Tony. I know she's got a Tony. She's out of her way to, you know, an egot.

But calm down just a little bit, okay? Calm down. Plus, as I was reading up about her, because I really did want to find out what it was nominated for. And, you know, her experience as a playwright, and she's got other plays under her belt and stuff. I just making fun of the Tony Award for the play. But she's a fascinating life.

She was born in Iowa, moved back to Africa when she was a little kid, then came back to the United States to go to school. I mean, she actually is, you know, a fascinating human and has had a great life. But I digress. Now we're back to the soap opera and the novel. We forgot to mention that the helicopter actually crashed. Okay. So, yeah, they're in the hotel, and Rick is still Rick from CRM,

and he wants to turn on the beacon and let him know he's still alive. And they see the helicopter that they were in and jumped out of, crashed into the building. Now, I guess that was the same building of the other side of the same building they were on since we're to believe that because CRN came for whatever reason and destroyed the helicopter that was already crashed and destroyed. That brought down the whole building. All right. You got me. Are you a walking dead building truther? I think I am.

What is that? What does that mean? Next thing you're to talk about is like the fuel got hot enough to melt the scaffolding. Sure, buddy. Sure.

What does that mean? Look it up. Don't come at me with your little 9-11 BS later. Okay. Yes, what are we talking about? So anyway, they did that.

I, I, Can I ask a question? Sorry, to go back to Michone writing this show. Yeah. On like potentially the last time we see these characters, a show this important to the fans. Is that common? Like you were like, you know what, let's just throw it out to the casting crew.

You know, like, I heard a lot before. I heard the lighting guy once wrote a school paper about school lunches, you know, and it, you know, back when he was in seventh grade. and I think it would be really important if he would be given a chance to write a really important episode. I'm just going it out there. The old Disney added,

remember when Disney was, when Disney was still in charge of his company because he was alive, he always said, I don't care who I take ideas from, I'll take ideas. A lot of the, like, and this is true, a lot of ideas he got were from the janitor

because the janitor gave him good ideas. Yeah, okay. AFC apologist. I'm not an AIMC apologist. I'm not an AIMC, I'm just saying the truth. I'm sure you can get great ideas from a, you know, from a, from a fortune cookie. I will say this. You know, I will not deny that.

Yeah, you're right. But Disney didn't let the janitor write the show. That's a great idea, Bill. Continue to take the trash out. I'll go let the professionals take care of that idea. I mean, it's just, so maybe I'm alone here, but me personally, I think that's an idiotic move. I don't see any serious show operating that way. I kind of, well, I mean.

I mean, they had all worked together, done other shows, right? She had, I'm sure that she has produced and directed some of the other shows that they did. Definitely had strong input in many shows of The Walking Dead. And when she said, you know, hey, I want to write that. I think Gimple was like, yeah, okay, let's do that. I mean, Norman Redis had a lot of control over the decisions of Daryl. Yeah. Never a good idea.

Never good idea to let your actors have control. Just my opinion. Even though Daryl was. And they used the excuse that, you know, she actually is a playwright and has written plays here in the U.S. and written plays in, uh, in, uh, and then you get a 24th century love check. I know. I know. I get it. And, you know, we had, I understand the breaking down of the barriers of Rick. That was a good scene because Andrew, that was, I thought that was a really good scene, mainly because of how well Andrew Lincoln played that off. That was, like, and I think we all can agree, again, Andrew Lincoln is a phenomenal actor. So, yeah, and there's been so many cases,

mostly recently that I've noticed, that you have great actors that do the best they can with the material they've been given. But the problem is they're given such crap material. So you see them trying. You really see them trying. And he is probably the only reason that was even somewhat watchable last night.

To me, I was just, I don't want to completely crap on it Because there was a few, like, moments. Like, the moment, like, my favorite part was when he was remembering and he was walking with baby Carl. Like, I almost lost it there. I was like, oh, damn. You know, like, but then I get a scene where Rick's uncomfortably looking at what looked like him looking at his sister undressing. And it was like, what? I, I, that looked like a brother that accidentally saw his sister getting undress.

It actually did. You know what? 100% right because it wasn't it wasn't a husband watching the woman that he loves on dress it was not at all that was so uncomfortable i was like oh god change it quick uh i start eating something on my phone now that having been said uh that i guess would get us back to the breaking down of rick's uh you know the barriers of rick and where he's where he's at now in life at least We swear with the character. I understand you, like, I was more forgiving, even though, yeah, I agree with everything you both have said. I was a little more forgiving with this because we both, we all agreed. We knew this episode was coming, and it needed to happen.

Plus, Rick's character throughout it, we finally get Michone going, what the hell is wrong with you? Because we all realized this Rick was different, and we knew that. Well, he spent all that time, you know, becoming that Rick. and it takes, you know, it's like joining a cult, right? And once you're in, you've got to decultify. You could quote me on that. You've got to decultify.

And that, you know, that takes some time, no question. And he didn't, you know, we find out that we finally get the family talk and, you know, the X on the back talk. And, you know, the whole, we get, we're back to, we're back to being a couple again. Okay. The love of a couple. everything all of rick's reasoning for not believing you know especially because of jadis that held true like they should i mean he he could they should have kept to that the only thing that like made it that kind of a moot point was an act of god basically them somehow surviving falling out of a

moving helicopter and then the helicopter crashing so they're dead and then the helicopter crashing giving them an excuse to you know be dead so that's the only thing it made no sense to me when Rick was like no no no I'm still I'm still going back still going back I'm like well this is the act of God you were looking for like now you can so it made no sense for me for him to continue to fight at that point I was kind of annoyed by that but I like good walkers in this episode I thought the walker scenes were great we did have some great walker scenes and we did have some great scenes uh some great scenes between Rick and Michoen both awkwardly killing walkers and

working together to kill walkers. I found it interesting that a giant chandelier falls on her and what did she get a little scrape? I know this is the Walking Dead. I got it. I got it. And I'm happy that it's okay. But it was just like she's stuck and now she's fine.

She's fine. I hate this like whole idea they keep pushing of, you know, together we can do anything. You know, and like everyone's like, oh, well, Rick by himself, you know, no big deal. But because when Shone showed up, oh, now, that's a great point. It always was Rick.

And with the help of Darrell and the help of the others, but Rick was the guy. Yeah, I get the impression that Rick is, he could have found Walt Disney's janitor and still been Superman together. Yes, it's still be Superman. That's absolutely right. We've talked about that before, right?

It was always, Rick was the guy. Yeah. I mean, obviously we love Daryl, but Daryl was always with Rick. Carol always was with Rick. Yeah. I mean, the whole thing, Rick was the guy. I feel like they're deconstructing Rick a little bit too much here for my, you know, for my comfort level. I think they were, the reason they did that specifically was for the CRM plot, because

they needed a reason for him to stay. Now that we got through to, at this point, I think we might be getting the Rick we know in these last two episodes because of what happened this episode. I hope so. And how do they get away from CRM now? Does Jadis go and inspect the rubble? She's going to find the knife.

Yeah, they definitely highlighted the knife in the lobby. Like, well, that's from the apartment, right? And that's only, there's only one way that it could have gotten there. in the rubble is that somebody was in the apartment. I don't think that's going to happen. Now it's going to be a race to get back to Alexandria, which they're not going to get back to Alexandria. But I thought it was just amazingly, I don't know, crazy struck of luck that they find the perfect vehicle just sitting out there untouched with all that ethanol. Well, this wasn't, no, this was a small, we knew this building was used by a small group that all died.

And then this. Yeah, that's just. No, keep going, Max. Keep going. Keep going. I mean, yeah. That's it. That's all I got.

It was used my small group that all died. You just slip and fall out of this like prepper community. It's like this really high, you know, very huge focus on innovation. That's just. That's what makes the Walking Dead so great. That's what has kept them alive is the luck of the Irish. And. Gimples.

I got to talk about Gimples line, which was great. So watching the episode Insider right after, Gimple's talking about it. And the final line of it is the scene where Rick and Mishunner driving off, Gimple says, we could have ended it. We could have ended it all there. But this is the Walking Dead. Cut. Yeah.

And here's the thought. Gimp. Maybe you should have. Maybe you should have. I don't know. Well, no, he's just saying that that would have been the end of it all. Can you imagine if that was... Yeah, yeah, Gimp, you could have ended it there and we all would have rioted.

Exactly correct. Could have, but... But this is the walking dead. I'm an idiot. These people are so high on their own farts. It cracks me up. He most definitely is. He's in charge of everything.

Gimple most definitely is. man, that guy, you know, on behalf of Max as the AMC, a polygist and employee, I love it. I love him. He's great.

Now, Gempel's had some issues. We all know that. And now he's in charge of literally everything Walking Dead Relating. I know. I know. So we have two episodes left of this, the ones you live. This next one is called Become.

And episode six is the last. time. I think we're going to get a season two. I really do. So we have, wait, so there's two or three more? Two. What'd you say?

Two more. There's two episodes left. There's six episodes in this series. One is titled Become. And the sixth episode is called The Last Time. So, we'll see. I mean, we got, they're driving away now into the sunset, listening to Tony Orlando and Dawn.

Tie yellow ribbon around the old oak tree. those of you that remember the song know that Tony if he doesn't see a yellow ribbon he's just going to stay on the bus and forget about us and put the blame on me but when he comes around the corner

he sees 100 yellow ribbons on the old dog street and it's a good time he will be singing this song all week I know it he will be singing this song all week better than easy street yellow ribbons round the I mean it's a classic

and easy street could be stuck in your head so it's you know i know i thought about that as well i i don't know sure why we picked taya yellow ribbon around the old dog tree i should i i really didn't i wonder i didn't ever see why they chose that song they didn't say why yeah i you know so i'm not quite sure i understand the relevance of taya yellow ribbon rather than old dog tree maybe it was just so much favorite song. It's about love and getting back together, I guess. But, you know, after something bad happened, so I guess maybe you can tie it in that way. All right.

So, uh, overall, you know, we're still in a fairly good place in my mind. Oh, I forgot. We forgot, we forgot to mention Rick, Rick finally knows he has a son. Yeah, we talked about them getting back, you know, to the family talk. And that was all, you know, the bed talk with the business and the brave man. Yeah, the brave man. little kid. I mean,

she's been gone long enough now, man. Judith is running the whole place. And the kid is sitting on the, top of the... But is Judith just like basically second in command of the Commonwealth area. My mom's not coming back. I'm in charge.

Back off. Okay. Like, Daryl's not there. Carol's not there. I know. And so if Rick and Michelle ever do show up, Judith is going to be

at the top of the fence with the hat going, uh, wait. which I would actually love to see. I'm a, I, I, yeah. I don't really, it's hard for me to talk about this episode because I was just kind of annoyed the entire time. It's just not like this.

This is not what I enjoy on this show. But there were some callback moments to the past that I didn't enjoy like maybe Carl. There were some good walker fights. And I'm glad that Rick kind of seems to be moving in a direction that I think that we could be happy with. But my issue is is that I do believe there's this active effort to, you know, to break Rick down and to, I don't know, to make him something that he's not.

And to kind of like tie him and like his success so heavily to his like love story with Michone that no one ever really bought to begin with. The thing is we've had Rick broken down a ton before. This isn't the only time. Yeah, we've talked about that multiple times. And we've been unhappy about it. Yeah, but I mean, but this is like on another level to me. This is like you are nothing without Michone.

And I don't, this seems different to me this time. I could be wrong and he could be a total badass and this could be a side plot that isn't mentioned much in the next two episodes. I don't know. But since this whole show was about the love story. Yeah. I don't have high hopes. No, no. This whole show was not only about the love story, it was about.

their togetherness, right? I mean, they've been building that up this entire series that Rick is, Rick and Michone can do anything, not Rick. Come on. Which, I know. I know. Even with this, even with this stump, still Rick Grimes. What are we talking about?

By the way, huge praise. This epil all over the internet for this episode. I have seen nothing but praise for this episode. People are done. And on that note, we thank you for listening to Talking Walking Dead. He doesn't mean you, you the listener of this show. He's talking about those other people out there. Jason Betrell, Maximus Fisher, myself, Jeff Fisher.

Thank you for listening to Talking Walking Dead. And remember, the tie a yellow ribbon from the old oak tree.