Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - S10 E20 I Talking Walking Dead

Episode Date: March 22, 2021

TALKING WALKING DEAD: Season Ten Episode Twenty TITLED: Splinter… WELCOME TO IT… With myself Jeff Fisher, Jason Buttrill & Maximus Fisher EPISODE DESCRIPTION ON IMDB Eugene, Ezekiel, Yumiko, and Princess are captured and separated. Princess struggles with memories of her traumatic past and tries to escape one way or another with the help of Ezekiel. Join us as we discuss the latest happenings and what the future has in store for The Walking Dead Universe… Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Season 10, episode 20, titled Splinter. And yes, there was an actual splinter involved. And that makes this Talking Walking Dead. Welcome to it. Talking Walking Dead with myself, Jeff Fisher, Jason Buttrill, and Maximus Fisher. Episode description on IMDB, Eugene, Ezekiel, Yumico, and Princess are captured and separated. Princess struggles with memories of her traumatic past and tries to do a little bit of. escape one way or another with the help of Ezekiel.

I, of course, I'm a huge fan of Princess, so, I mean, I really enjoyed the episode, but it was, at some point you realized what was going on, and I guess for me it was when the king showed up, and he wasn't the king we know. Jeffie, we cannot start this way. Are you kidding me? We cannot start this without your tease to me and Max. That's how we start this episode. What was that tease, brother?

Yeah, really. What was that tease? Because your tease became the theme that I was watching for the entire thing. I couldn't concentrate on anything else. Really? Yeah. Oh, okay. It was a first.

The episode was a first And I was in love for most of the episode Because I let Jason and Maximus know that it was a first And I swore them that they'd not to look it up To try to catch what it was You say that How many seasons are we on now? What is this?

Well, this is what? 10, right? Episode 20 and the extra six that they've done So I'm like thinking what have they not shown us these many years. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I was like, what's new? So instantly, my brain goes to boobs.

Instantly. I'm like, I was all in. Haven't they shown that before? I think they have with walkers. I think, well, I think we've seen naked walkers. That does not count. You kidding me? Naked walkers?

That's what? Seriously. Yeah. Yeah. Don't count, baby. Okay, so, but I don't know that we've actually seen, you know, non-dead breasts.

I don't think we have. Any kind of, any kind of male genitalia either. I'm pretty good on remembering those things, and I do not remember them at all. So that's all I'm thinking about. And in the episode, we had an opportunity that was quite possible that breasts

were going to be seen. I was like, I knew it. I knew it. They had the shot. It seemed like it even started kind of like down low at first, and then it kind of went up to, like, neck level. when Princess is getting interrogated, I was like, yep.

I was happening. That's it? No. It's happening. Very disappointing that it didn't happen. But the first was. I will say that it was very disappointing that it didn't happen. Then it was fun for me because Mr.

I read all the books and everything Maximus didn't. He was struggling. It was so much fun for me, just for me, just my own. Because of my like confirmation bias, I was like, the whole time I'm like, okay, she's going to go back in for another interrogation. They're going to strip her down again. It's going to happen. I was like, how many interrogations are we going to see?

So I thought this episode was going to be just a bunch of interrogations in the nude. Really, dude. That's how you do interrogations. Let's be honest. Yeah. We do know the reason she was named. They stripped her was because they were looking for bites. Yeah, I know.

And, you know, people get bitten in the breasts. You have to check those out. No. Not when you lock them back up in a cage with nothing else. So no. Don't be start bogging us down. Don't do it. So obviously the first was no deaths, right?

No Walker deaths. We didn't have any, and no human deaths either, but for sure, no Walker deaths. Yeah. I mean, we may have gone episodes, and I'm sure we have, looking back where there hasn't been any human deaths, because there's obviously been episodes where we've talked. talked about that. Why didn't that person die? The person should have died.

But there's always walkers, right? Always. In fact, this episode had a couple of walkers. But they were, you know, visions. Visions in the wind. Which is actually a pretty funny scene. Yeah. It got me laughing.

Okay, so let's get actually fully started on the recap then. Well, there was no breast. Thanks for listening. So, you know, we end up with their detention, obviously, and we learned that you saw that when Yumiko had attempted to come back and help Princess, that was all Princess needed to realize that, oh, they are my friends, and I love her. and you know they're my people

so I care about them and remember Max reminded us what about Princess that uh wait what are you talking about in one of her first episodes when she asked the group oh yeah there's a when she's walking

in uh when she's walking in there she goes I've never hallucinated before but uh there's a first time for everything or are you yeah but in one of the earlier episodes she talks about What's the capital of Pennsylvania and Eugene goes Harrisburg? Okay, that true.

But I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about when she asked if they were real. Yeah. Okay, so early on in her character development, she asked if our group is real or not. So she already is whacked out of her mind, even more than we think, right? She already realized early on that, I don't know if these people I'm talking to are real, or not, hello, you, she asked them,

you guys aren't real, right? So, I mean, we know that she's not in the best mental state. I mean, that's why I love her. I mean, that's what makes you great. So, anyway, that's where we're at. And now, you know, okay, Jason,

go ahead. Tell me what you think, because I think I already know your answer. No, I don't have too much to, I don't have too much to complain about. I mean, they let us in a little bit of, you know, the Commonwealth stuff, which was great. It was cool to see them, see how they operate. It wasn't, I mean, everyone, like, I saw a little bit of, what was it, the Chris Hardwick thing afterwards,

and, you know, they were all just, like, marveling on how it was secretive and how they used this plot device, which, yeah, okay, so it was Fight Club, basically. It was fight club. Right. Same exact plot line. Whatever. It was still good. I liked after they made that reveal that, you know, all this stuff was in our head. that, you know, going back and just trying to think about the little clues,

because they were pretty crafty with them. Yeah, they were clever with that. There was the, I remember the one where it was just like one punch. And I was like, holy crap. You know, one punch king. Yeah, I know. I was like, but now it was like one punch princess. I don't know.

That's kind of. Yeah, right. But then he said, but he goes, yeah, I don't want to get in trouble for getting caught by a girl. And I was like, I remember watching that. I was like, there's two of them there, though. You know, I mean, it's a little more believable. They both overpowered you. And the king dropped in.

know he was there, you know. Right. But nope. Not that big to do. Right. I was hoping for a little bit more of the Commonwealth and I'm sure, you know, so the world. And it was the way it ended. And we, you know, I'm jumping ahead, I know, but the way it ended, I was a little disappointed in that.

I like the, I like the, uh, that character, which I'm sure they're going to show a lot, but the interrogator guy, because he's a big actor. Yeah. Um, and I just. I liked how he was like kind of no nonsense. Shut up. Like, actually, what was like? She was like, well, I didn't do anything wrong.

It's like, yeah, you're being a bitch. And I was like, yeah, I was just straight up. That was great. So good. Here's some pictures of you naked. We took them during the early and during when we were washing you off. Yeah. But that was pretty funny when,

then she actually gets the splinter when she's talking to Yuma Co, quote, unquote. So do you think she was not talking to you, Aiko? No, she wasn't clear about it. She wasn't. They actually, the hole in the wall was never there. When she looks up, what she's realizing, like, crap, I'm hallucinating, she looks up, the hole's gone. There wasn't a hole in the wall. Oh, that's right.

Yeah, that's right. So straight from the get-go, straight from getting thrown in there, she was. Yeah, another clue. Wacked out. Right. And, you know, it was, there were. there were, you know, obviously their little clues. I did laugh a little bit at the

at their, you know, we kept everything secret and we didn't want people to know and, you know, speaking of the, you know, the Dingleberry show that comes on after, he, you know, they had the king on too as well last night and how he was saying that

this isn't, you know, part, this isn't how my character is. I've got to stay true to my character. And, you know, that's not, and he's right. You know, that's what, that's what For me, that's what I thought, wow, that's not him. Yeah, that's not as equal. What's going on?

Because he would, you know, he would go to the Commonwealth and say, you know, maybe you don't know, but I'm the king. You can commonwealth all you want, but I'm the king. Oh, you know what? Can I, something that stood out, this is kind of off subject, but at the very beginning when they had the Eugene narration. Yeah. Did you notice how the audio quality was completely different from everything else in the show? Yes. It was almost like he recorded that from home or something like that.

He probably did. You're right, because of the COVID protocols or whatever. But it was so obviously bad. I was like, what are they doing? I love the line, though. I did love that line, the beginning of, we've caught ourselves in a precarious pickle. I loved that. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, it was no question. And, you know, we're using footage that they had already filmed. And then, you know, the voice, the voiceover, which was really strange. You're right. That audio was really strange for them. And, you know, speaking of that, just as a side note. I've had a of the show that comes on after. I know that we're specifically talking about, you know, Walking Dead here.

But that show has, you know, become, you know, part of the Walking Dead. I'm over the at-home edition. Okay. We all, we got it. We've all, it's been the at-home edition now. It's the show. Permission to say the name of that show? Whatever.

Like when Hardwick says, hey, everybody, welcome to Talking Dead Home Edition. Yeah, that's exactly right. That's the example I'm thinking of. And we got it. And it's ridiculous, too. Like, even sportscasters, like on ESPN, they just have the stupid, like, plexiglass thing in between them. Just do something like that.

But my point is even if it's, if it's even still, if you're going to leave it like that, Where you record it. Obviously, we've discussed that we believe that they record it earlier in the week now. They do. Yeah, because of AMC Plus, right? Everybody, the episode's already out so they can get everybody together and record the show and just be done with it, right? Which is fine. I got it.

I don't blame them for that. I would, too. But even if we're going to do that, okay, we got it. It's the show. It's not the home edition. You know what I mean? It's, I just, it just buzz. me, it's all.

You know, they didn't call me. AMC Plus can call me. Let me know. I'll help them produce. I'll take some things for them. No problem. It's just me being agonized by them. That's all.

That's all. That's it. So anyway, we had the entire episode and, you know, princess is in the train car. And we get the, I found it strange, especially when she overtook the guard. The way it ended made it seem like. Like the guard allowed her to take him over. You know, really kind of risking his own life to get information out of her and then, you know, wrapping it up at the end.

Because at the very end, when they open the train car door, I mean, the rest of the crew is there in hoods, right? Yeah. They lined up. And I didn't, it was like, wait, why? That's my guess is because you can interpret that, okay, he was sent in there going, try to get information, and get her to agree to things. Because, as he said, and he wasn't wrong, but Commonwealth is a good place.

It has some bad apples, definitely, if you read the comics, but it is a good place. They don't mean harm. Well, it certainly didn't look like that at the end. But when, so maybe they're changing now. But the scene I'm interpreting that they sent him in there. and basically was like, okay, either you call it, once you say, okay, we're good, and then bring her out and hoot her, or send someone else in if you hear gunshots. Yeah, and you think at some point, if they're all being interrogated, right, we have to assume, and I know what happens when we assume, but we have to assume that Eugene would have told the interrogator, I've been talking to this person. and we were supposed to meet up.

You know, and the interrogator says tough and shoots him in the head or, you know, says, you know, I'll get back to you. Yeah, that was kind of disappointing, actually, because, again, I was expecting a lot more interrogation. Yeah. But without joke. It would have been, I'm with you, it would have been really a more fascinating. Yeah.

A more fascinating. episode had we done a roundabout of interrogations with all of them. Exactly, like constantly cycling through that one cool character dude, Commonwealth guy, you know, really nibbling at each, every single one of them, and seeing what each one of them is giving up on the other. My thing is, I would have liked that too, but I am a little happy we got a princess-focused episode, one because I like the character and I know you love the character. I do, I do.

But another thing, I think it was because we found this out, the actress who plays Umico, she wasn't on set. Was she pregnant or something? No. She lives in the UK. Oh, yeah, she just had traveling issues with the COVID-19 protocol. They had a body double, and then she had a record audio for the train car scene. See, maybe another reason why they shouldn't be pulling all these damn UK actors and actresses.

Maybe stay homegrown here? But Lenny James is you from the UK, and he's, working on fear. Whatever. Right. And they're here. So, I mean, just, I'm with you, though. How about, you know, I'm going to use a phrase here that's been used by someone.

I can't remember who. We make America great again. We start using Americans. No. Use Americans. Yeah. Denzel Washington could have played Morgan just fine. Just fine.

Well, and that gets you to, you know, on a serious note about the show. sure we can use the COVID-19 protocols and travel restrictions but people were still traveling by the way Yumiko could have been tested in any orifice you wanted to test her in and get her down there to do the show

if that was really needed but it goes back to perhaps we are already during the Walking Dead and all the Dead shows concerned financially Right? I mean, all those characters were anything that was shot with them, right?

Where it was past footage. You know, I don't know what their contracts say, but, I mean, they all technically weren't in that episode. Yeah. Well, no, they were, because the actor who plays Ezekiel and Eugene, they were on set. They were on set with everybody. The only one who wasn't on set was the actors who plays Jimiko. Okay. Well.

All right. There probably were some issues with her, though, travel. from the UK to hear, because I think it's really restricted. Yeah, but I mean, Cruz was over there filming, and all those people were, you know, that's what he, remember when Cruz was filming and he started hollering at everyone, that's why he was hollering. Well, yeah, well, I mean, there's the protected class within Hollywood that can do whatever the hell they want, like Tom Cruise is one of them.

He can go where he wants. He can go get 30 vaccines and then go to Mumbai or something like that, just have a party. He's paying for it, bro. But she's like, Yulico is probably like, uh, like, yeah,

I'm a, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a B or C character on the Walking Dead. I can't get on this American Airlines flight. What I'm talking about? Tom,

I just saw Tom Cruise walks right through here with 30 vaccine needles in his arm. That's correct. Mr. Cruz did. You? No. Turn around.

Yeah, I thought that was a pretty good scene with Princess when she realized, when she realizes, uh, everything's going nuts. And then she tries to run out and crawl under the gate and then figment Ezekiel shows up there.

Yeah, and Go ahead. Go ahead. I was going to say that. Was that the one with the two Phantom Walkers? That was hilarious. Yeah. The conductor and the engineer. They had a little more life than they usually do, than walkers usually do. And like, Ezekiel, like,

slapped the one on the chest. And they had that, like, chain on. They're dressed up as the conductor, as the engineer, which was funny. I mean, his life in the train age. Plus, there was another little clue of a princess when she goes to crawl under the fence the gun stops her from

making it all the way under. Yeah. Come on. Yeah. Come on. Yeah. You know, usually these episodes annoy me. I'm not one unless it's like a huge character like a Negan. I'm not one for like a single character

show. You know, it just centers around a single person. Typically not. I just feel like we miss out of the greater stuff that's going on. But I so, I was so hungry for like you know, some kind of something forward-looking, something that kind of explains we're going to see

in the future, that I didn't mind it as much for this. I mean, which is why it, to me, and again, you know, I'm fine with the episode because I'm a princess fan, but it made more sense thinking like that, that we

had flashes of all of them being interviewed. We needed to have lengthy interviews, right? You only had to have, you know, just 30 seconds of learning a little bit about what they're giving up, what they're being asked. It's just to seem like that would have been more interesting. And it would have been what the Commonwealth guy gives up to our people. Right.

Yeah. Agreed. Yeah. I was so curious how Eugene was going to tackle the whole Stephanie issue. Or is he just going to, like, give that up? Is that going to come out and she's going to get in trouble? Like, how's he going to... Yes.

I know in the comics, I think it's the same thing with her where. she didn't tell anybody, if I'm remembering correctly. So it was more of, wait, okay, so you came over here with your group, and you never, and Stephen, and the Commonwealth was like, Stephanie, you never told us, you're the head of our radio. Do they get into a relationship in the comics? I believe so, yeah. Oh. Not gonna be.

I'm remembering, if I'm remembering correctly, yeah. Nice. We get a little Eugene radio business. I know that one of the people that communicates with me live during the show said the wife was upset about 23 minutes in and I asked what the over or under was on the whole episode just being a figment of Princess's imagination. I mean, it was too obvious.

And then he said, P.S., I still don't know that Bruce Willis was dead the whole time in six cents. So. Same thing. So we have, okay, so we have this, and then we have two more episodes left, right? Yep. Of the extra six. Yep, of the extra six. And then after the next two weeks is fear.

So the next week is another Daryl and Carol, right? Mm-hmm. Okay. However, however, it looks like. They're not going to be together. It's going to be half of the episode is going to be with Darrell, and half of it's going to be with Carol. So the beginning, because I saw the clip.

That was just a clip. The clip was actually funny. The preview clip that they aired on, what's his face is show, showed them splitting up and showed the indecisiveness of dog. Oh, yeah. And, I mean, that was, that was cute. It was funny.

But, you know, I mean, I got it. Daryl and Carol are doing a show after season 11 for Walking Dead. All right, we already have their get-together episode, and we're going to have to have another one just to promote them and their new show. Oh, my gosh, I just thought of a crazy theory. Okay. Imagine that... Imagine, if you will.

Yes. Imagine that them announcing the Daryl and Carol show was a giant. giant ruse to make you think, okay, they're not going to die. And then either Carol or Darrell gets Rick's comic death. They're not going to kill either one of those. Just imagine that. Just think about that. Can you add?

That's a whole lot of setup for a show that's not nearly as good as it used to be. I don't know. They're putting way too much effort. And I'll tell you another thing that needs to happen, just as I was, you know, my father-in-law was talking a little bit about it the other night, and he's right. they better move the pace up a little bit because people are forgetting who Rick was. Yeah.

I mean, we all, the hardcore watchers, remember Rick. But they're struggling to bring in the new audience with World Beyond, and we're going outside of the Walking Dead, and we've got more universe and fear, and it's all one big happy universe, and who's Rick? Yeah, and on top of that, they've got a brand new audience coming in from World Beyond, the fear audience, didn't watch the original.

Right. They're going to be like, who cares? These movies are around this dude with a gray beard? Who cares about this guy? Right. Well, here's the thing. Rick did show up in one episode of Fear. Do you remember which episode?

Already. The first one that we saw. The first one we saw Morgan. Yeah. Yeah. But still, so what? That's, again, fear has changed so much. Even since then.

Yeah. Yeah, watch season one of fear and then watch Fear now. I saw it the first time I'm good. Yeah, I don't want to go back to that. So we have that, and then we have Here's Negan. That's the episode that we really care about. The last one here of the Fluff Six with Here's Negan. And we're predicting here, and we have predicted on this show,

that that's it for Negan, that he's gone. How do you have another Daryl and Carol show before the Negan show? I know. I'm tempted not even to watch next weekend. I'm like, okay, who cares? Well, no, there's one reason. I bet, no, there's one reason. They wanted to end it with Negan.

They wanted to end this season. Okay, so you give you know, five episodes. Guess what? We said it's only five. Yeah. It's only five. One Darrell and Carol episode was enough. Right.

Well, that was a mixture of a Darrell and Carol episode with Darrell and Leah because of the flagbacks. And that's their excuse, right? We got you the new interest with Darrell. So it wasn't just Darryl and Carol And she's going to be probably part of the new Darryl Carroll show Right So

Okay, I'll give you I'll give you one reason to be excited about next week Jason Jerry He's going to be there Oh next week Yep How is fitting him into a Darrell and Carroll show Nice

Well he's been in the previews right They always show him struggling and hugging the wife And stuff with the kids or whatever So we know that he's still around Oh, that's a little bit better. At least we're going to get... So we will... It's not just going to be them out in the woods.

We'll get some... Oh, no, no, no. What I mean by... What we mean by Daryl and Carol episode is Daryl's going to stay in the woods and Carol decided she's going back to Alexandria. So it's going to probably be half Daryl, half Carol.

Daryl and Carol show. It sounds like a 1950s, Patty Duke. It sure does. It sure does. It sure does, man. Okay, so this is Talking Walking Dead. Thank you so much for tuning in and listening. I appreciate it.

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I mean, I've been complaining so much that we're not having been hearing, seeing anything, you know, on the new plot lines. So at least we got that this episode. So I was happy in a sense. I was pissed off that you raised the expectations to something that didn't happen. But I got over it. And, no, I enjoyed it. I'm looking forward to breezing through next week to get to the episode.

We've been waiting for me. It's higher bonus. I know. And I'm not bending the knee, but I'll apologize for raising your hopes. Maximus. I thought it was pretty good. It was good to have a princess-centric episode, but also we'll see a little bit of the Commonwealth. That was nice.

Yeah. And I'm actually kind of excited for next week because we get to see Jerry. And then the next episode after that one is the one we're all excited for. Right. I mean, that's what we're waiting for. We want that. And we want more than, I mean, if you want to give us an extra. you know, an extra 15, 20 minutes on that episode, that's fine too.

That'd be great for the final episode of that. And that might actually be the case. I haven't looked to see the time on the show sheet, but that might be the case because they're not going right into fear, which is what they usually do, right? They end the season, and then they go right into fear, so they're back to back, and they keep the audience around. They're not doing that.

They're bringing fear next week, the following week, I mean. so they're leaving this alone. It's going to be here as Negan, and then that, you know, there's no other show afterward, which is, I mean, that's why I think it's the end of Negan, right? Yeah, sadly, you're probably right. Maybe it isn't, though, maybe. Yeah.

Okay, thanks, Gimple. Thank you for listening to Talking Walking Dead.