Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - S10 E3 - Talking Walking Dead

Episode Date: October 21, 2019

THE WALKING DEAD TITLED: GHOSTS This is TALKING WALKING DEAD… With myself Jeff Fisher, Jason Buttrill and Maximus Fisher EPISODE DESCRIPTION from IMDB The threat of the Whisperers return leads to paranoia sweeping over Alexandria; in the meantime, Carol battles with the need for revenge. Join us each week after the newest episode as we discuss the latest happenings and what the future may hold. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Season 10, episode three, the Walking Dead, titled Ghosts. It probably should have been titled Hallucinations. But that makes this Talking Walking Dead. Welcome to it, Talking Walking Dead with myself, Jeff Fisher, Jason Buttrill, and Maximus Fisher. Titled Ghosts, episode description from IMDB, The Threat of the Whisperer's Return, leads to paranoia sweeping over Alexandria. In the meantime, Carol battles with the need for revenge. I think I enjoyed it. I think I enjoyed it.

As we started out, we get the whole 49 hours of Walker waves, the tsunami of walkers. Those were pretty good shots. Yeah, I mean, hour one. Carol first starts taking her speed, I guess it was, her medication to keep her awake, which, by the way, I mean, it's been a number of years. I don't think they're creating the pharmacy companies,

I think are closed. Yeah. So, I mean, I'm not sure how good the potency of whatever drugs she's taking are. That's why she takes them so much because they're not that potent. That's very possible. Very possible. But, you know, I'm not sure if I could guess it was supposed to be speed. I don't, Jeffie, I don't know how you could not love yesterday or last night's episode.

I had everything you could possibly want. It did have a lot of stuff that I like. Yes, it did. The hour 6, 13, you know, all the way through. Yeah, to 49. That was. That was, that's why I got into the show. That's true.

Like how often were we, you know, bitching about how they were, walkers weren't dangerous anymore. You know what I mean? I know. And now they were. This episode is like, I was like, hell yeah. I was so into it. The only part, Dark Side was the Carol crap.

Okay? I have no problem. I have no problem with her being sorrowful for her son, playing that out a little bit. I have no problem with her having the need for revenge, as they said. Yeah, no, I like it. But can we get off the stupid ghost crap? We went through this with Rick.

Now they're just giving it to Carol. We sure did. And did any of us like that? No. We hated it. No. Come on. I know.

And also how did we feel when, you know, when we, we'll get to that thought in a second as we break down because we then we have after the waves. We want, you know, Alpha wants to meet at the north at the border and the meeting with all of them. And then they have their town hall, you know, pre-meeting as the. The highway man want justice. We have the town hall and everybody wants justice. Michelle's trying to calm everybody down. We just want to be, you know, has one and be together. Yeah.

That wasn't really it. That was more of we need to work together. And do we actually have a plan to take on the hoard if they send it to us? Right. And even Lydia said it wasn't. We all thought it was the whisperer sending waves until they said. Do you buy that? I kind of do actually because, one, that doesn't happen in the comics.

And two, when the Whispers did want to kill them, they just sent the hoard. Okay. I didn't, you know, I first saw that whole scene. I actually kind of liked, because for some reason I like seeing the politics on this. I loved how Michone handled it because it's just like, you know, a parallel today that I know the filmmakers did not catch this. I know this went completely over their head. But they were, just think about it for a second. I won't get too specific.

But they were like, come on, just do something. We got to do something. Right. And then the other side's always like, okay, what's your plan? Oh, crap. No, a lot of sense scratch. No, no, we just want something done. Just do something.

Just do something. Mishon was like, yeah, well, okay, you tell me what to do. What are we doing? In the absence of that, we're doing this. Right. I've got to, this is the plan. Right. That was pretty good in the beginning when Eugene was like, it's very possible.

The satellite was the one that attracted to the one highwayman person was like, shut up about the satellite. That's so how it would be. Sick to hear you about that. Oh, my God, the satellite, shut up. It's so sick of hearing about that stupid thing. It's really good. And then I always like the original Negan and Aaron with the Preacher Man,

as he's trying to say, Negan's going to fight. And Negan's like, I'm good here in the tomato patch, to be honest. I'm happy right here. And then the preacher man is like, no, he needs fighters. You're a fighter. Hello. Peanut butter, meat, jelly. And then my favorite is when Aaron's putting on his new armor,

and Diga's like, oh, that's awesome. Put the old stuff to use. That was a great lie. That was fantastic. And, you know, Aaron just despises Degan. It was so good. Yeah. It was so good.

And then we meet at the border, right? That was a good scene. That was pretty. The border scene was great. That was a good scene, too. I mean, I'm kind of, I don't know how much more of alpha I could take. Yeah. But, you know, definitely worth it last night.

This is probably the most screen time she's ever gotten because, like I said in the comics, she didn't get much. Right. I didn't understand the whole make sure you throw your weapons down. You know, that was a precondition. I'm like, shut up. You're on your side of the border. We're on our side of the border. Why do you guys get to keep your weapons?

I mean, that's just her power play. Right. That's just the power play on her. Right. But you're right. It's like, no. How about you just, we talk. Yeah, we'll be there.

We promise we won't do anything right now. Yeah. Except for Carol's going to try to shoot you in the head. We should have let her do that. Yeah. I should have let that happen. But I did, I did like, you know, we crossed your border once three times. We're always watching.

Who ends up, was it, it was Negan that ends up killing Alpha, right? Yes. Man, I hope that, because I loved how you described that. I hope that's what happens. I know. But I have this sneaky feeling that they're trying to set up Carol to be the one that I don't think, no, I think it is going to be Negan, and Carol's going to be pissed that she didn't kill him.

Or kill her, sorry. Hope so. Oh, that'd be good. That's going to be, I think that's going to be it. I hope so, but I don't know. I don't know. I know. Because Carol doesn't know who to hate more, right?

She's got Alpha or Negan. She never hated Negan much. She just found out, she never knew about him about the whole incident later. Remember? She was all at the kingdom and she knew nothing about the saviors. Yeah. Yeah, the weird thing, speaking of that, I was just about to say that another reason why I like this episode is because everyone was in it.

Really the only person that wasn't in it was the king, right? No, Hilltop, mainly Hilltop actually. Oh, yeah. Yeah, the Hilltop's next episode. Yeah, Hilltop's next week. Is it really? Yeah. Hilltop's next week with more tsunami.

Oh, man. See, and this is another reason, I guess, why I liked it, because it was like the core people. It was. I was so into it. But we get more magna. But we get more magna next episode, so I bet you'll be happy about that one. That's a bonus. I don't know if it'll make up for it.

Oh, and next episode, Michael Cutliss. Abraham is directing next episode. Really? Yeah, so, I mean, it'll be fine, but I understand what you're saying. I mean, it's just now we have to go. Yeah, that whole border scene was great where Alpha. Yeah, where Alpha was talking to them and that she was like, I understand context. I can understand.

She didn't like it, but she could understand context. So he's like, I'm not going to kill you. But we're going to add more. We're going to add more land. And Carol's right. You know, I'm, I'm confusing as to Daryl backing off a little bit on this, too. You know, Daryl kind of playing along with Mishon and just kind of going along with the alpha plan a little bit too. I mean, there's got to be a time when you're going to say, yeah, about no.

They need to remind, I think, the audience, how big of a horse. they're in control of. They did. I think so, too. They did. Like, no, but I mean, like showing it. You know, like, right now, it's, it's, it's, every time we saw when we see the waves, we don't see how many really.

And the last time, remember when they, when they, uh, were circling them and stuff, it wasn't, didn't look that big. You know what I mean? The hoard didn't look that big. So the only time it, sorry, the only time it looked big was that one scene. Yeah. With the, what, telephone poles or whatever? Remember that big.

that big, huge landscape scene, you know, where it showed them all down. Yes. And I don't remember when that was at this point. That was last season. When, right before the pike scene and we see their hoard. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know.

It's just, I think that would go to show like why people like Daryl are like, dude, you know. We can't meet all those. Right. Although, but see, the thing is, is that didn't we, I mean, we saw, you know, while it didn't pan out as planned. You know, Rick was going to guide that giant horde You know, down the road and off into the saviors, right? I mean, that was the plan. That was never the plan.

The plan was... What was it? Shipped them down the highway? No, Rick was leading them to the bridge, hoping the bridge would collapse so they could go into the ocean. That didn't work. So Rick blew up the bridge. No, the time before. When they assaulted the sanctuary.

Oh, that. Yeah, but that wasn't as big as a herd. That was a herd. This is a horde. No, they were in that, they were in that huge gully or mine that was built blocked off by semis. There were thousands of them. That wasn't the Saviors. That was the other group.

What group was that? I think the wolves. Wasn't it the wolves? I don't think so. I don't know. I do remember the assault on the sanctuary with it, with the walking right. Because they remember they stopped first. They blocked off the

Alexandria Yeah, they did that. The fences, we blocked it off with all the Yeah, I remember that. The Winnebago's and the cars, and we're going to turn the horde and we let them down the road, and we turned it, you know, guided them toward down the road the other direction, but then the truck crashed, right, and the horn on the truck went off, and then it sent the horde an opposite direction. Yeah.

But that still wasn't as big as a horde as we got this time. Yeah, but I said, but the, the theory is the same. You know what I mean? It's a crap ton of walkers. Well, here's the problem we have, too. Were there people guiding them in that one? No. We actually have people inside the herd turning the walkers in which way they want.

We've seen that happen before. But we did have, that's my, I understand what you're saying. But we did have because they were guiding that horde. and then they got they got sidetracked because of the sound, right? So it didn't matter that they were being guided because they were headed toward the sound, no matter what they were trying to do. Anyway, that's, I think we still, we do agree that we need to see, be reminded what they have, right? What they have.

And there's no, there's no question, even though she denied it. But Alpha's behind these waves. I agree. You got to be. Agreed. It's just too perfect. Like the timing, I mean, come on. Right.

I mean, we're going for two days of two days of waves. Which has never happened before. Right. And if it's, if, if, if it's, if the showrunners didn't write it that way, if this is a coincidence, then it's an awful plot line. I mean, come on. Right. I mean, it's only good if this is a bad. If someone is guiding it.

Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. To be reminded what we could do.

Holy crap. I actually just thought of a good idea. This could be maybe. maybe alpha, and not a beta, and Alpha doesn't know about it. Yeah, but do you think he would go against his loyalty? I don't think so. Probably not.

That just popped in my head, but I don't think he would because he was extremely loyal to her, even after she died. It's possible, though. I mean, it's possible. It is, but that's... It's a stretch, but that's what I thought of. Now you're talking about if that's the case

that he's taking from the horde to create these waves, so Alpha comes and says Ord's looking a little low What's going on down there? I thought you guys were What are you doing? I thought we were keeping a few in the freezer down here.

Okay, back to the episode. That was a pretty good scene when she was like, this is our land now, picks up the pike. Yeah. Yeah, and keep going. We'll see. I mean, we can't. Our people can't put up with it much longer, right?

I just can't. I don't know. I mean, we've seen a full season pretty much of them putting up with Negan. You know what I mean? And that's hoping, begging for them to do something. Which was what it was like in the comics for a while. So I could totally see them doing another whole season of this crap. Because we've got to figure out how Michelle's going to leave, right?

Why is she going to go? How is she going to go away? Yeah. And you know, they're not going to kill her off. So she's got to be a reason for her to go away. Yeah, and she's, we said this last time. but the only thing I can imagine is she thinks that both Judith and whatever the... Arj.

The kid that just sleeps in the bed the entire episode, that particular kid that never wakes up. I mean, we've got a drug down in Alexandria. He's taking the opposite medication as Carol. Oh, but then we... Actually, back to Carol, actually, then we have later in the episode when they're in the camp. And then we have Carol, maybe, maybe not, I don't know, seeing the three whispers. I think all of that was a hallucination, right? She was the only one that saw them.

Although, right, you kind of kind of believe that maybe the whisperers we actually were real because of that last scene. And Alpha saying we're always watching, right? And so then on top of the hallucinations, it makes it seem like the three whispers that Carasol were part of the hallucinations. or part of the ghosts and not real. So kind of, I'm with you, I kind of believe that those were real. But then we have them going into the, I think it was a school, going into the school. Yeah, where they stayed. Yeah, and then she's completely whacked out of her mind because she's had no sleep and just doing speed for hours.

Yeah, we see, yeah, we see Henry, her, the hallucination of Henry, then she picks up the book, and then she sees her face with Henry there with blood coming out of his throat. Right. And we know that when her talk with Daryl about his dad in the trucker, I mean, we know that's not true. Right? I mean, we just know it wasn't true. First of all, Daryl's not sharing any of that ever.

Right. I mean, the most we got about Daryl Sharon was when he was back at the house that they burned for the drug dealing brother. That was what, season three or four? Right? With what's her face? the blonde girl that's been long dead. Oh, Maggie sister?

Maggie sister. Yeah, they died at the hospital. But before she died at the hospital, she was with Darrell in the woods there by where they found his old house and stuff. Yeah. I mean, geez, that was a long time ago. But that's the most we ever heard about Daryl's pre-life, you know. Yeah. I'm just not digging any of that, man.

I don't, I mean, I don't know. It just seems like a rehashed in a different way, you know, storyline. Then we had, uh, irritating. Yeah. And, of course, that whole scene where she goes into that one, like, I think, like, area that she hallucinates her getting lifted up and her just fighting the whispers like that. And then they find her just standing there. Oh, yeah, she's hanging upside down. Yeah.

And then it was like apparently, she fell or did something to have a glass piece in her arm. Yeah, going through the glass door with the window. Oh, we haven't talked about a knee in an area. Hang on, Sam. So, Javit, you could fact check this pretty easily. Do those drugs do that to you? Well, just let me say that after several hours, multiple hours of staying awake, even with the help of pharmaceuticals, sure, yeah.

You found yourself dangling by a rope in the middle of a factory. And we're like, wait a minute, there's no way possible that this rope could hold me like this. This has got to be a hallucination. Really, you set me up for a fat junk. Funnily enough for a fat junk on my own show. Funnily enough, I actually was researching something like this. Funnily enough, months ago, I actually was researching something like this about sleep deprivation. And it is somewhat like that where you start getting hallucinations if you haven't slept for a long time.

That's interesting, except he wasn't serious. He did that old thing just to set me up. You know, actually, going on what you said, what's her name? Gosh, one of the other hot chicks that I like with Eugene. Rosita. Yeah, Razita. Rezita was all like, I feel drunk. Yeah.

And that's actually more, that's kind of more accurate. Like when you're that tired. But she wasn't doing any pharmaceuticals. Right. She was just tired. Right. So, I mean. Straight up.

I felt the exact same way. You know, working like 48 hours straight on certain things. Right. When you drive, you feel like you're, if you have ever been, you know, you've ever driven a little bit inebriated. That's how you feel. I never have. Really? I never have.

No. No. No. No, drunk driving is horrible. I know it's... It is horrible. I've done it a couple times before. It's a...

Oh. I'm kidding, everybody listening. I don't even have a driver's license. Which is good. Oh, but the... Oh, yeah, but the Eugene... That whole... The love affair.

Oh, just stop. Even Rosita was sick of it. Yeah, I know. It's like... And I think that's why the show's probably the best she's ever acted. And I think that's why. Because the cast is like, this is dumb. King, what are you thinking?

Friendship being rezoned into Love Channel. Yeah. I remember writing down that. You're right. You're right. Even the cast is like, stop. Yeah. Now, like I said, in the comics, they actually did get together. The kid was, or, yeah, was supposed to be Eugenes, but that never happened.

So it was supposed to be. Rosita was pregnant, and it was Eugenes. Okay. In the comics, she was one of the Pike victims. Oh, okay. So why would they get away from that storyline? Even if you don't want to kill her off, why would you, because that's a big, that's a, that's a good hat tip, you know, to the people that read the comics. Yeah.

It just makes sense. Why, you don't have to throw in this love triangle. It's not a love triangle anymore. It's more of a, because she is with Gabriel. It's not a love triangle if, it's a love triangle if. Do we even know who the kid is? Do we know who, do we actually know who the father is? Yes, it's Sadiq.

Oh, that's right. That's right. So a triangle would be if we have two people. It's literally a figure of speech. It's literally a figure of speech. Yes, I know what the figure of speech is, but it does not matter. Max. I like going into detail here.

This is Max's fact check session, especially this episode. Take a breath. Okay, fine. Take a breath. Then we had Sadiq suffering PTSD. And he's suffering that because of the lack of sleep again, right? So, I mean, that's what the whole episode was the ghost, right? I mean, that's the whole thing.

Yeah, but he was also, he was already suffering PTSD even before that. I understand, but it was even worse as no sleep. What is so? Max, oh, man. Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm just, well, that's what so crazy about this is I, I love this show. There's no way I could not enjoy last night's show because it's everything that we love. It was nonstop action. It really was. That was awesome.

Non-stop Walker killing. But then these side-like little things, because, again, they're just making up a lot of this plot. Yep. Because they're doing it, you can tell every part that they're making up, because it sucks. The two, yeah, the two doctors and the Iraq War and coming up with stuff. And then we've got the, you know, shooting down of the love triangle, right? Of shooting that completely down, going away from the comic books. and then we have, I don't know, I don't know, I like the idea that Negan is setting up.

I love the- Oh, we're finally getting to Negan and Aaron by that tractor. Yeah, yeah, with their fighting. And I'm, you know, Aaron's going to come back with kind of liking Negan because Negan saved him in quotation marks, but really Nagan just set it up. I mean, he couldn't let him die. And then, you know, he went and sat in the chair in the house and decided, And, well, you know what, if he makes it to the house, maybe I'll save him. They did so many good things with that.

Like, I love the callback scenes where he had the crowbar. And he was holding it like a baseball bat. Yeah. And that's why Aaron's so scared of that, you know, getting into that mode. No, before that, like, when he was using the broomstick, and then he picked up the crowbar and everyone was like, put that down. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it was just like, no, you can't have that.

Yeah, I can't. And then he had to use it to actually save his life. And he was like, what I tell you? Yeah. And then when he ran into that building or whatever and he would just sit back watching him and just kind of, you could tell he was enjoying. You aren't lying. Yeah. You know, completely discombobulated and scared. He makes it here. I'll think about it. Oh, yeah. During the whole.

Until then, I was just going to let him go. Yeah, during that whole scene right before when they're talking or somewhat arguing about the whole like, you have to keep what you want or it will be someone else's. And then how are you saying it was your fault. He died and then he went to... Get over your boyfriend. He's been dead in a long time. Let's move on. But then Aaron went to him about his wife.

Yeah, don't go there. Yeah, I mean, everyone has that now, right? I mean, as we've progressed through the seasons and the years, everyone has people that they've lost that they didn't want to lose, right? That they were trying to save, that they thought they could save, that they didn't. And so, you know, they've survived this long and they're, they have some sort of, you know, survivors guilt and yet they still want to survive. So, I mean, everyone has that backstory, right?

The only ones that are, that have a stronger backstory are guys like Negan, maybe a little bit of Michone, Daryl with Rick. I mean, they were building things, right? I mean, they were, they were building things and creating the group of people. people with them. And so that world is to do that as Negan talked to Aaron. I mean,

I'm going to take it or someone else will. That's where I was then. I'm not there now right now. Right now I just I'll be with my tomatoes back at Alexander. What actually cool reference was, they called this out on the show that came on after the Walking Dead, was the broomstick Negan was carrying. It's actually painted

the same way Lucille was painted. Oh, nice. That's interesting. And look, he's such a, that's such a strong character. I'm really glad to see him come out of that shell. Yeah, I guess that's what they're, I guess that's what they're hinting at that the more he gets more active, you know, and back into that, like, violent lifestyle, he's going to, you know, become that man again. Yeah.

Or not all the way, but. And decapitate alpha. But that's what they're afraid of, right? I mean, if they allow him to, okay, sure, you can carry the crowbar. Go ahead. You're fighting with us. You can carry the crowbar. And at some point he's going to be like,

is that a bat? What happened to Lucille? Is Lucille still at the tree? I don't know. Did they ever? Did they ever retrieve that? I don't think they've ever even addressed it. They did a little bit.

They just said the bat's gone. That's it. That's all they said. Yeah, the bat's gone. But does that mean Rick put it in the shed out back? Or buried it? Yeah. Or is it still at the tree?

I don't know I know I know this though I hope he gets it back No doubt I mean there's a pretty iconic scene Oh yeah Which probably won't happen

Which definitely won't happen This season But he needs that bat For that scene Yeah yes We have to have his bat back So he's got to either stumble across it

Maybe he runs into the back shed Behind Rick and Micheone's house And there it is in the corner Oh my gosh I'm willing for that scene to happen That would actually be a cool reference to a scene that happened in the comics if that happened. So in the comics,

in the last issue Negan ever shows up, actually. He's, when he outcast himself after the Whisperer War and he's just a loner now. He doesn't have the bad, he doesn't have anything, and then he's just exploring, living in this old rustic house, and then there's a barn.

He's like, oh, go in there, see what's in there. He opens the barn, and just the light is shining directly on a pristine new bat. And then he's just standing. there and there and he's like really so he gets a new one

in the comics yeah and then things happen and he's like no and he throws the bat into the fire oh yeah it's not lucille okay I'm for that and Aaron was trying to even push a member with his about his wife

yeah how did Aaron know that where did we get that wife reference from Aaron on Negan of course we know Gabriel knows about that but maybe Gabriel told Aaron I guess

I found that interesting that Aaron had that in his back pocket to throat in Nagan's face he told Gabriel that he named the bat after his wife yeah he did is that when they were in the house

that was when they were in that trailer outside of the sanctuary yeah when they were together in the sanctuary that's right when you had your crab of pants on that was the first crabbing pants and Maggie knew too because of the whole I want to see my wife when she was about to kill him.

Okay, but Maggie, you know, was Maggie close enough to Aaron to share that information before she left? Maybe, but I don't know. Anyway, I was just found that weird that Aaron had that in his back pocket, you know? Yeah. Because I know we're excited Maggie's coming back. But, you know, next season is. I actually kind of am because I was like, I'm like, we need her character. Weird.

Speaking of the word weird, you just use that word, and I saw in your little cheat sheet. Weird episode. And did you really think it was a weird episode? Yeah, I did. At the end, I thought, as we talked it out here today,

a little bit, it made sense, but the PTSD, the, all the hallucination, I mean, the whole bad stuff. I mean, that was what was weird to me.

I mean, I don't, I get it. I get how. how it was, is caused. I don't know that we needed to have it in the show. Right, exactly. And that's how I felt too. Like I was, I thought it was a cool episode,

but then those stupid little things kept pulling me out of it. I was like, gosh, let's, you know, you don't need that. So, I mean, if they just would have changed that a little bit. Because even just, even if maybe, maybe, maybe not even as much. Because we all know, like I said, we all, everybody has their, their back horror stories. So even just a quick, even just a, the one little flashback to let you know that where their heads at.

Yeah. Then move on. Not so much time dedicated to it. Yeah. That's like maybe we're just oversensitive because of Rick, you know, and like that was just so agonizing. Holy cow. No kidding.

What after Lori died? Yeah. Yeah. Like, oh my gosh. When he, I still have, when I think of the low point when I was watching this, all the characters were there. When Rick was running around as a pig farmer and he was seeing Maggie's, you know, in her white dress walking off into, like.

Like in Field of Dreams walking off into the corn. Outside the prison. Yeah. Oh my God. Answer the phone. Would you rather have Rick hallucinating ghosts outside the prison? Or would you rather have him broken to Negan like in season seven? Which one would you rather watch?

That's a good question because that broken to Negan was tough to take too. Yeah, it was. But that was the point of it. It was tough to take in the comics too because he was broken to Negan like he was in the show. So it was tough to take like Rick, get back to normal, Rick, get back to normal while flipping pages. Yeah. kidding. There's just been multiple forms of us hoping Rick gets back to normal. I just don't want to put up with that from the current characters. Right. It's like Carol, go back to being a total

bad A. You know what I mean? Just come on now. Yeah. Come on now. You know, you know you're badass. Let's go. Like the during all out war when like Carol was like up in the ceiling. You know what I do. And she's like stabbing fools and she's like, you know, got her AK in the ceiling shooting down, just wiping people out. I was like, that's what I want. Yes. And the guys that, you know, rob the wagon. with her and the kid and she goes back and exactly. Good night, baby. I'll be back in a little bit. Yeah, fire. Comes back home, you know,

grills a marshmallow with the kid after. That's the Carol I want. Right. That's the Carol I want. Absolutely, that's the Carol I want. I know. I know. And our weekly thought from our Facebook, our Facebook, Justin, Carol should have killed Michone when she stopped her

from shooting Alpha. That would have taken care of how we do to get her off the show probably. I would have done it. There's no way. I still don't think there's any way she dies. I don't think so either. No way. I still like my idea of the whole movie trilogy thing on how that's going to work.

It'll be fascinating to see how they have it. If it works like we have the show leading up to the movie, then the movie, then we have another show where you have to watch that to understand the second movie. The second movie comes out. And then the third movie is the end. Yeah, but then you're going to have to also think about. how they're going to work the TV shows to get you into the movies, right? So it matches up.

It'll be fascinating to see if they can pull it off. Next episode of Walking Dead next week, silence the whisperers. Still paranoid Alexandrians get riled up over the whisperers and take their fear out on Negan. Back at Hilltop, the group deals with an unexpected safety issue, which is, you know, tsunami, more waves. I saw the sneak peak last night at Hilltop.

That was a good shot, though. So, yeah, I mean, it was fascinating. So I also saw a couple of side note stories about how it's being reported that this season premiere was the lowest rated season premiere in the show's history. Fascinating. But AMC is like it's the lowest rating season premiere as far as the cable is concerned. But those ratings aren't counting DVRs and streaming. Yeah, the people, the streaming apps, and specifically the AMC app.

Because you're getting, because you're, with the AMC app in particular, they actually get the episode 48 hours early. Yeah, and the well, the premiere was a week early. Right. I mean, so, I mean, they're like, eh. Eh. It's still the number one show, so. So what?

And I saw also as we get, you know, as we a little talk about fear, the Walking Dead, it talked about how what they're going to do in season six, which is, exactly what we said. How they're going to break up the characters. They're calling it an entirely

different format from the other TWD shows. What it's going to do is going to have character driven with episodes that let me see, I want to quote this right now, with episodes focusing on

one or just a handful of characters at a time as a result of the season five finale, which is exactly what we said it was going to, what was going to That actually doesn't sound like a bad idea, though. But that's exactly what we said is going to happen. That's what they're going to do. A, keeps cost down.

Yeah. Right? And you come and you just, you're all trying to hear, here, here, here, here. And whether maybe a mini get together at midseason. I don't even know. Maybe the mini get together is at the end of the season. You don't even get a full get together. And you don't even need it, really.

Right. You don't need a grand overarching story, which they suck. at and have proved completely incompetent to be able to pull off. It goes to our theory about separate episodes. Yeah. And the main overarching theory would just be them trying to get back together, right? Yeah. That's all they need.

And if we're trying to do a whole overarching story, that would be when the movies tie in. Yeah. And then we have the writers of every show together for the movies. And we're just... I was reminded also. Buh. Yeah. I was also reminded one quick note.

I know we've got to get out of here. one quick note about beta and he was Max told us that he was this big basketball star in the comic books right? Spoiler alert, sorry. And that's why he wears the mask because he doesn't want people to know him.

And we've decided that if he was a big basketball star, the mask he wears, we'd still know who he was. Everyone thought that in the comics too, so you're not the only one to think that. We'd figure that one out. But you said that, was it you that said that he's a musician? He's not a musician in the... Not in the comics, but I mean, in the show.

I didn't say that. You said that. Okay, that's what I read. They believe that he's a musician, a big-time music star. And at the end of fear, and I didn't go back to watch, because I think I still have it on the DVR, but I'm not positive. And we've had other issues at my home, so I apologize.

I haven't gotten back to the DVR to see if fears on it. But I... Remember when Daniel had taken those albums and they fall on the road and he leaves them. And they focused on that one album. I think that one album is beta.

We have to go back and see if that... We have to look and see if it's Ryan Hurst. We have to see if it's Ryan Hurst. If it's him as the music star on that album. That'd be hilarious. I don't know. I don't forget who told me or where I read it and if it was you that's listening to the podcast,

back off me, okay? It's my idea. Okay, I got it. But I think we have to find that out, and I will, I promise. You know, when I have time. That's great. All right. Be sure to subscribe to Chewing the Fat so you'll know when Talking Walking Dead drops every Monday afternoon.

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