Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - S11 E10 | Talking Walking Dead

Episode Date: February 28, 2022

Season Eleven Episode Ten TITLED: New Haunts WELCOME TO IT… With myself Jeff Fisher, Jason Buttrill & Maximus Fisher EPISODE DESCRIPTION ON IMDB The heroes experience Halloween in the Commonwealth; Daryl and Rosita undergo military training led by Mercer; Carol investigates Ezekiel's medical condition. Join us as weekly during the season as we discuss the latest happenings and what the future may hold in the AMC and The Walking Dead Universe… Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Season 11, episode 10, titled New Haunts. I don't know. I guess I kind of liked it. Anyway, welcome, welcome to Talking Walking Dead. Welcome to it. Myself Jeff Fisher, Jason Buttrill, Maximus Fisher. Episode description on IMDB, The Heroes Experience Halloween in the Commonwealth. Daryl and Rosita undergo military training led by Mercer.

and Carol investigates Ezekiel's medical condition. Welcome. Welcome to Talking Walking Dead. Of course, we had the big birthday boy, get to celebrate his birthday. Yeah. Do dead. I'm happy about that. There you go.

Happy birthday. You know, I, well, Jason. How are you? Why do I have to jump on the grenade here? You don't have to. I mean, I'm happy to tell a little, no problem. I don't know that it's a grenade. You know, I mean, this is, according to Maximus, this is a following suit, right?

Yeah, I'm not really that surprised. This is a, this is definitely a world-building episode of, like, explaining finally we could see the Commonwealth in action a lot more. And this is the way it was written in the comic books, right? Very close, yes. So, that's important context, though. So I have not read all of those. is so the class warfare

thing is it is in your face and the rich or the evil people and all that stuff like how is is that a big plot line in the comics? Absolutely. Resist the commonwealth.

Absolutely. That's the reason but like Rick is the now yes Rick is gone but in the comics spoiler alert Rick is the one that actually stops all that and Ashton being him is upset that he won't get special treatment anymore after Rick stops all the, like, stops the class divide. So he goes and kills him when he's sleeping, when he's sleeping.

So, Sebastian Milton is the one that kills Rick. It was, was, so in, in the show last night, there was some graffiti that said equality. Do you ever remember seeing that in the comics? Yeah, I think so. Be sure on that, though. I'll do remember that. I'll have to look. It's been a while since I've read the Commonwealth arc.

I'll have to re-look at, but like this storyline, definitely in the comics. So if, what's the creator's name? Is it Kirkman? Robert Kirkman. If Kirkman took this masterpiece to that way and closed out the show in that way, I'm not a fan of the Walking Dead. I'm just going to say it. I'm not a fan.

of the Walking Dead. I renounce it. It's done. I'm tired of these hidden social messages, hidden left-wing social messages and effing everything. And you would know that Hollywood was just loving to get their teeth on this. Just loving it. I'll just skip to the end. The motorhead. I should have known when I saw the album cover what they were going to do,

but they eat the rich thing. Yeah. I mean, that's... Don't complain about this. Classic style. Don't complain about this one. I'm a big fan of Motorhead. Yeah, well, I will complain with the way they used it. And they are very skillful and using cultural things to bend to their narrative. Absolutely. And that was an Antifa slogan. That's a very leftist slogan thing that they love to say. But the argument there would be that the slogan from that way was taken from the Walking Dead, not the walking, not the other way around. You could be a fan of the Walking Dead.

Kirkland is ahead of the curve. There's a curve going on. Yeah, I agree with that. So if you follow that, and since we don't have Rick, so who becomes the Rick? Mercer and Darrell? Maybe, and I said this last night.

I've said this before. I'm thinking maybe Darrell will get Rick's comic death and the Carol Darrell show is a ploy to get people to think people are like, oh, of course, he's not going to die. Yeah, well, I mean, the Carol Darrell show could be pre-commonwealth, right? I mean, so he could still be alive. It just doesn't hold the same water as Rick, you know, getting killed that way. I mean, if Darrell dies, we'd be like, oh, yeah, that sucks. Darrell died, but it just doesn't hold the same water to me.

I don't know. It would have to be like a Maggie. And she, I mean, I think it would just have to be Maggie. for the same kind of effect. Which we, you know, she is at hilltop, right? So are they going to drag her to Commonwealth? I mean, it looked kind of like that's what they were doing in the preview. We didn't get to it last night.

Yeah, that's interesting that we did not get any explanation for why some chose to leave and go and some chose to stay. Yeah, we didn't get any talk about that. We'll probably get that in the future. I think this episode was just, okay, this is the Commonwealth. Here it is. And this is what's happening. Can I monologue for just one second? Please, Jeffrey?

I'm sorry, I've got to. What's hilarious, and I even texted you, I was like, wait a minute. Are you catching a conservative, you know, like, tilt on this? Oh, God. Because I was like, I was like, oh my gosh, is that what they're doing? I was like shocked because it was like, they were like, oh, yeah, the guns. government will give you a house. The government will give you an allowance.

It's great. But like the political elite were the the ones reaping all the real benefits. Right. Everyone else is providing for them. I was like they're describing, you know, like a leftist utopia.

That's what they're described. This is what ends up happening. But then as I was a little behind as I was watching it, I think then you guys were, as it progressed, I was like, oh, that's not what they're doing at all. Like, they're basically calling themselves out.

Like, you remember that party? You know, like that was like a Met Gala. You know what I mean? Yeah. Them saying, you know, eat the rich is the same thing that AOC had on her dress, tax the rich, basically, and not even recognizing the hypocrisy in it and attending that while everyone was serving them. Well, yeah, but the, yes, but the people who are against the common. wealth are you know that's the common man right i mean we're they want to stop that they want that equality they thought it was going to be okay for them in this utopia and now they realize that it's not

right well yeah so that's what they're going you know workers of the world unite and they're going to overthrow the you know the government what what the creators don't understand is they're going to have this whole equality egalitarian takeover but the end result of that is what they just got what they just overthrew you know They're criticizing themselves. And that's just what blows my mind on the hypocrisy of these storylines, is they don't even

understand what they're criticizing. It's basically a giant, it's theater of hypocrisy is what it is. And I'm just like tired of it in pop culture and in Hollywood and everything lately. But if you're wrong and the storyline actually goes better than you think.

Honestly. I won't hold my breath. I will continue to watch, but this is Hollywood. You know what I mean? This is Hollywood. Well, I mean, they're creating, now, in all fairness, they're creating what was in the comic books, what Kirkman created, right?

So that's, you know, I'm with you on a lot of what appears to be the hypocrisy, but they're following suit with what they had claimed they were doing throughout the episodes, right? As they were following the comic books as much as they could. Yeah. And happy days,

happy days was great until Fonzie jumped that shark. I know. I know. The comics were great until they did this. I don't know. I remember,

I remember watching the shark jump show with my grandfather. And I remember thinking at the time, wait, what? Yeah. We could be, we could still be at the wait, what during the walking dead? That's okay.

I mean, we have the characters. It was, it was, it was okay. You know, it was okay. I know we're into the Commonwealth, but this is a completely different world than what we had anticipated with CRM, right? Yeah, CRM and the Commonwealth. Commonwealth are completely different. And I think I like, I want the CRM storyline, more than I want the Commonwealth storyline. It does seem more interesting.

There's a little more intrigue. There's just a lot more going on. The problem is we just want our favorite characters within that plot line, I think. Yes. No question. This I actually thought about this after that episode last night. And it seems like the CRM is kind of an amalgamation of different world militaries. Yes.

Whereas the Commonwealth is what's left over of American politics. Yes. No question. So, but do we get, do you think maybe in the, you know, we, do you think we get some CRM? And maybe Rick comes back for the end of season 11. Maybe. That'd be interesting. And we actually do get the Rick death by ending the,

by ending the equality and resist and ending the commonwealth. I love how we're always holding out for that. So you're saying there's a chance. There is a chance. It could happen. It could. Devin, that's what it's going to, it better happen. Well, also, moving on, I remember during the Halloween festival, you were complaining, this is so stupid.

Oh, my gosh, I know. Why? I don't know. I mean, it was the, it's really, it was the Met Gala event of the Commonwealth, right? I mean, that's what they were doing, and that's what we had to show off. And it was, you know, our world is so wonderful. And, you know, we got to see the underlying effects. of the Commonwealth and how, you know, we did see where, what's your face was talking about,

oh, they got, it's strange worrying about money again. And, you know, we see such the stark differences of how we've been living. Our group has been living and, you know, how these people are getting back to the way it was. Yeah, I'm, I was, I couldn't get over how. uncomfortable a lot of them felt or looked. Right. Oh yeah. They did not look like, they were like, what the hell's going on? It's weird. Like Judith said she wants to stay, but she looks so uncomfortable in a dress, you know, when she was looking in the mirror. I know. Like I was like, this does not look right? And Daryl, just with having clean clothes on, looks uncomfortable.

I believe that's actually true in real life as well, but go ahead. But he, it seems so out of character for them to accept what they're in. know. Like, why did, there's no way Daryl would agree in the past to take kids through a Walker haunted house? I know. He wouldn't do that. I mean, look, he was, his family was

cooking meth in the woods before this even started. And walkers have like killed them, literally, killed off of their best friends and loved ones. He would not take his kids, basically his kids, through a house, a haunted house of things that have killed his family. No, he wouldn't do that.

I know. I know. It felt so out of place, remarkably out of place. And then we had Carol working at the bakery now because they needed somebody new. It was cute. You know, I know, they've been there for a month, right? And they're going through, you know, the, I get the idea of trying to, we're going to make it so that Mercer and Daryl become frenemies, you know, throughout the event. man. It's kind of like that. Mercer's a cool character.

And I know you love Princess and we're very happy with what happened. Yeah, that was fun. That was fun. Mercer and Princess getting ready for a little, you know, Commonwealth business. The funny thing about Carol to me is like every time, like if there was like a narrator, they'd be like,

you know, and that's when the Commonwealth knew they screwed up is when they put her as a cook, a baker. Every time, time, like, she's really getting sneaky and, like, crafty and she's going into ultra spy mode. Right. She starts baking. Yeah. I'm like, that is so true.

So you're like, the moment she starts baking, you know all her friends are like, oh, crap. Carol, no. Just stop. Deep end. Deep end. She's definitely there. Definitely there. She's trying to sneak Ezekiel up the list.

Well, she, that's, I mean, she is doing that as a side hustle, right? side hustle because she, you know, she cares for Ezekiel and she wants the king to survive. I get it. But that's the side hustle. The rest of the hustle is what the F is going on. I'm about ready to take all he out. Yeah, yeah, right. Right.

I've had just about enough of this. That's, that's her ultimate, like, costume, you know, or mask is, you know, Carol the Baker. No, it's Carol the, I'm going to knife you in the head as soon as I slip down across, you know, over the rafters or whatever. I loved at the party, Tommy, Umiko's brother, and he's just drinking like chugs of wine because he is not happy with-

Yeah, he's pissed, right? He's pissed that he has to be at the doctor, which is why he was okay with, with, uh, when he busted Carol, right? He realized,

you know, I'm not going to say anything. I don't, I don't blame her for trying to figure out what's going on here. I didn't want to be here to begin with. I like working back at the bakery where she's at. Yeah. I was surprised that.

kill him. I thought they were going to do something else. I know. Well, but they've got their Umiko is working with the Gov, right? So that saves him at least for now. Yeah. And so, you know, she's the one that's

going and I, I'm torn. I'm not sure where she's at. Whether she actually is you know, she may be torn to. Her character may be torn too between wanting back to, you know, normal as you can get and she's working with the government and she's working with the way you know being that being that insider and also looking back and saying well you know that's not really good for the people that was with right that's a

completely different life and she knows how they lived and how they survived and so you know she may end up going on their side right because the helper to the gov was you know trying to whisper to the one soldier that took her hostage, right? Yeah. I'm with you. Which I think that is the real Stephanie. That's what I said too. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. And we saw in the preview next, for next episode, that she disappears. Yeah, the fake Stephanie. She disappears because Princess and Eugene are searching her place. That's totally, Stephanie.

There's no reason to keep highlighting that character. Yeah, none at all. I agree. And I will say this. I know that we were on day 33, so it really wasn't a whole bunch of time and they're stuck in their crap hole apartments. That was kind of funny to see them having,

you know, there's no way Daryl's going to be. I'm sorry, you're right. You know what? Now I'm looking at Daryl with the kids. Why does he have the kids? Why is he on the paper walled apartments? I mean, no way. No way.

He's the guy that, like, leaves for, a year just to go live out in the woods. Right. This is just not happening. Yeah. But he lives in these apartments. And he's going through military training. That's the, I mean, he's like, I've been doing this is my life, bro. What are you talking about? Taking orders. No, he's not doing it. Sorry. Right. And he's definitely not going to put the uniform on and stare down Maggie in that, you know, that one scene. Yes. Well, let's see what happens, I guess. I mean, we saw him at the end of the episode right in the uniform as he was looking in the mirror with judith in the dress and they were you know looking at their lives i felt like it was like the uh they were as they were looking at the

mirror looking at themselves i think both of them were like what are we doing you know i feel like that's what we were you know that's what they were looking at was their future like no this is not going to happen we can't do this you know i watched an old Sopranos episode where Oh God. Where he kills his wife, right? And he was going to run, they were going to,

they were going to go to the FBI and tell them the nephew. And then he stops to get gas and he sees a family, you know, with all these kids and they've broken down car. And he sees that and he's like, I'm not doing that. We're killing her and I'm going back to the gang. And I feel like that's what Daryl did when looking in the mirror.

So maybe he stays in uniform, but he's not part of it. No way. That can't happen. No way. That was so jarring, seeing him in that uniform. I think that's the point of it. Just being so wildly, just what the hell, I think that's the point of it. So is he's the main caregiver now to, uh, I guess that's weird.

Judith and RJ. Yeah, it seems like that. Huh. How does he get the kids? I mean, what judge gives him the kids? Yeah. I guess that's a commonwealth judge out the take. Okay, I got you.

Eat the rich, baby. I'm with you. I love that song. I don't care what anyone's song. That song is amazing. Equality for all. That's all I'm saying. It's all I want.

Also, when did that song come out? A long time ago. Yeah, Eat the Rich Motorhead. Yeah. I mean, you can look up the date, but it's been, I bet you, Eat the Rich Motorhead. 84. Just off the top of my head, but I don't know.

There's so many songs that, and I won't dwell on this, but, you know, like Bruce Springsteen. Just because they sound good, you know what I mean? Have you ever actually listened to what he was saying? I know. I know. I understand. I'm with you. Mellencamp's the same way.

Same stuff. 87. There you go. Yeah, it was pretty close. Pretty close. And I will say this, too, just as a side-pound. Rosita looked pretty good in that uniform. So she can go ahead.

So she can go ahead. head and stay in. Not too bad, but Magna in that server uniform? I know. I knew you were going to, I knew you were going to fall for Magna, Jason. All cleaned up. Oh, yeah. I know. Looking good. Yes, you can bring me a drink right here. Yeah. Jeez. Can I take your order? Yes, you may. Yes, you can. As a matter of fact, get over here. So, Jason, what did you think of Pamela Milton, the leader of the Commonwealth herself? I don't think I saw enough of her. I have a sneaky suspicion that pretty soon she's going to get like a, she's going to go in a tanning bed and her skin's going to be orange.

I think that they're going to go that direction, whether subtly or various in your face. She was not based on Trump, everybody. It certainly feels that way. And they certainly are making those comparisons with the son and the family. But the comparison actually works the other way too, which is to your point, right? I mean, they don't see the hypocrisy. Right. So the Sebastian character, is that his name Sebastian?

Yes. Oh, my gosh. He's so douchy. He's cartoony. He's cartoony. Yeah. Yeah, that's the character. Everybody hates Sebastian Milton.

And the funny thing is, after he kills Rick, Carl is the one that finds Rick's body and figures out what happened. And basically, he tracks down Sebastian and basically locks him up for life and basically goes, I want to kill you. I want to kill you right now. Slow.

But that's not what my dad would want. So you're going to spend the rest of your life in this cell. And then that's how it ends. and then Carl's older now and he had as a kid and he's basically just the Commonwealth still stands. It's expanded all the way I think up to Hilltop in Alexandria and the kingdom. Like it's that big. Maggie's the head of it now in the comics. And it just ends with Carl like telling the story of Rick Grimes to his daughter.

Interesting. So I still think we need to go ahead to have Rick come back in the last half of season 11. That's what happened. It has to make sense. I don't care what you guys say. I think it has to make sense. Otherwise, don't do it. It's going to be hard, though, because they still want to do the movies,

and we already know they want Rick in the movies. Well, they claim they're still going to do the movies. Jeff Fisher believes that is not going to happen. I mean, maybe we get a movie done specifically for AMC Plus, not for the theaters. maybe we get one for there. But as far as the trilogy that they talked about, I believe those days are way behind us.

You think so? Yeah, because they haven't even finished writing it, have they? Nope. And every time they talk about it, it's coming and it's being worked on. And it's just with, and we've talked about it before on this show without Rick. being part of any of these shows other than memories of our characters that we're watching. He's nothing to people anymore. I mean, he has to be, he has to be involved.

I mean, there's got to be a statue. That's why we kept waiting for the shadow of him in a world beyond, something, right? I mean, he has to be, it was a huge mistake to not have him be, be anything but a memory in these shows if you're going to try to bring him back and make him the strong hero that he was in films. That's why I just don't think it's going to happen, because they haven't done it.

That's sad. I know. I still think it might happen. Is it delayed to high hell? Yes, but I do think it will happen. I mean, it's already delayed. And again, like I said, they do one, they do a, you know, a two and a half hour AMC plus.

Rick Grimes is back. They'll get another, you know, few million subscribers. And it'll be huge. It'll be huge. But it's not going to the theaters. It's not going to happen to the theaters because they're going to have to try to keep AMC Plus alive. And, you know, look, if they need help marketing and ideas, they can call me. I'm here for them.

We'll take care of it. I don't care where I see it. I just want to see it. Right. I don't care of it's theaters or what. Yeah, I agree there. That'd be cool, though. it'd be cool though if they did like a remember that where they put like what was it like was it was

the season premiere of fear yeah it was it was it was the crossover episode of morgan it was the season eight finale and then the fear season four premiere in things select theaters was like a fathom of it yeah that was fun we still he jeffy here my dad still has the still has the uh the cardboard uh stand-up the movie poster the movie cardboard stand up it's in my office oh crap get the bathroom where it belongs. But that's a cool, I love it. It's got Morgan with the stick, and it's got, what's her face who's now coming back?

It has Rick and Madison. Ugh, yeah. Agonizing. Agonizing. You both hate Madison. That's great. That was so in sync. That's great.

So, all right. So, we, you know, we pretty much covered the episode really i mean i don't know what more we can you know i'm i'm hoping that we just i mean that's going to be the episodes right we're just eating the rich it's the fight against she doesn't believe there's all these people that are um what's or the governor when she asked at the event right is there thousands are there thousands and you know boy's like no there isn't but i mean i feel like he's kind of involved in them too right yeah i think lance is one of them too right yeah i think lance is one who wants to boot her out.

I feel like he's on the inside of that. I want to enjoy it. Now I'm hyper over aware that they might be have be throwing in some kind of Hollywood political message. So I'm always going to be looking for that. I hope that I hope I'm wrong. I hope they go away from that. Jason, it's not overt.

Jason, I would like to tell you this. Life is a lot easier if you don't do that. I'm just saying that's what I do. So they should stop doing that. Let us enjoy it. I'm pretty sure that was the point. That's the point.

Stop putting that BS into everything. We'll all be happier. I don't think it's as bad as you think it is with this, dude. I don't think it is either. I'm giving them a little bit of a doubt with that as well, because they're following suit as much as they can. I feel like when I was with you, Jason, until Max went off on that's what the comic books did.

And that's the progression through the comic books. And that doesn't make it better. That doesn't make it better. That's not, I'm saying, if he did that for that reason, that actually makes it worse for the entire, for the entire show it makes it worse for me. To end it like that with that message. I don't know. But I haven't read that that comic, so I don't know if it's as bad as what I'm thinking it is. But ending the show with Eat the Rich really put a bad taste in my mouth.

Really did. That put a great taste in my mouth. That's because you're with those rich bastards. I was very happy ending of the episode with The Thither Rich. I love Motorhead. Do you know what that means, though? Right. I don't care what it means.

I love that song. That's the point. Find out what it means. Yeah, that's the whole point. No, I know what it means. I don't care. It's just that, you know, it's going to, let's hope they don't make it overwhelming, but I feel like they're going to.

And we were headed in that direction of making that whole process over. I just hope not. I mean, I could be wrong, but I just, I'm reading some bad tea leaves. If they go away from that, I won't complain about it. But if they and they probably as they could. They could go away from that, right? They could. It could. Commonwealth could break up. CRM comes in and there's Rick and we the military takes up. I don't I don't want that. I actually want like to figure out what the like how they're going to recreate the comic ending with the characters we have now. Like, I'm generally curious how they're going to do that. Okay. And then if they do that, then they go down that road more and more, right? What's their line that they were using?

Oh, shoot. Resist the Commonwealth and equality for all. You know what? That's the way we're ending the podcast right there. Resist the Commonwealth. Equality for all. Thank you. Thank you for listening to Talking, Walking.

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