Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - S11 E12 | Talking Walking Dead

Episode Date: March 14, 2022

Season Eleven Episode Twelve Title: The Lucky Ones WELCOME TO IT…With myself Jeff Fisher, Jason Buttrill & Maximus Fisher  EPISODE DESCRIPTION ON IMDB Aaron and Maggie meet Gov. Pamela Milton as she tours Alexandria, Oceanside and Hilltop; Ezekiel finds himself lucky during a routine checkup; Eugene processes Max's story. Join us as weekly during the season as we discuss the latest happenings and what the future may hold in the AMC and The Walking Dead Universe… Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Season 11, episode 12, titled The Lucky Ones. And that makes this talking walking dead. Welcome to it. Myself, Jeff Fisher, Jason Buttrill and Maximus Fisher. Episode description on IMDB, Aaron and Maggie. Meet Governor Pamela Milton as she tours Alexandria, Oceanside, and Hilltop. Ezekiel, the king, finds himself lucky during a routine checkup. And Eugene processes Max's...

story. Welcome to Talking Walking Dead. Jason Buttrill? Yes. The lucky ones. First thoughts? I liked it. It wasn't bad.

I've been waiting to see what was happening over at Hilltop. I was really curious about that. And then now I think we kind of know a little bit more about the Commonwealth's grand design. Yes. And not only that, but what's her name? What's her name? Pamela. Pamela.

Yeah. She kind of let slip or let the hint go that, you know, what? What's his name? Lance. Yes. Lance Hornsby in the range. What his play is and that she's clued into it. Right.

So, yeah, so a lot more that we know and it's a lot more clarified. I think this episode was needed and I enjoy it. Yeah. Maximus. I thought it was pretty good. I definitely agree with Jason. We definitely see more of how the Commonwealth is structured, at least from what Pamela and Lance has said.

This kind of proves what I've said before where I don't think Pamela Milton is kind of isn't really a bad person. She's more just not the best leader. Whereas I think they're making Lance out to be, oh, no, he's the bad guy. He's going to be the schemer. Yeah. I mean, if you think it's authoritarian now, wait until he gets in power. No kidding. And I found it interesting that we've, that Oceanside is still blooming.

Oh yeah, we had Oceanside, which was kind of, you know, the last time we saw Oceanside was when they were training for the Whispers. I've got, right. I've got this, like, vision in my head of what Oceanside is. And I'm very disappointed we haven't seen it yet. Like, I've got this. impression that it's a female business going on. Oh, they have bunch of hot chicks and like bikinis.

They have men now. You know, post-apocalyptic bikinis, just chilling. They have men now, though. Yeah, don't bog us down with fat. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's talking about women. It's concentrate here. Really funny.

And I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what I've had enough of as Eugene. I had an, okay, just to get over it, bro. All right, move on. I know I got it that, you know, you're upset and you were, you know, you were hoodwinked between the Stephanies and there is no Stephanie, but there is a Stephanie, but her name is Max. Which, by the way, I must say, I am very happy that there is some representation for the

name of Max, okay? Even though it's an African-American female. Doesn't matter. The name's Max. The name Max is not represented enough in media. I am very happy about this. So I got, you know, we kept going back to him. And it's time, I'm glad that they finally, you know, wrapped.

it up at the end. Oh, and Jason, I was right that the radio thing wasn't a ruse. Like, you thought it might have been. What? You thought that the radio, like the whole radio situation was a ruse at one point. Did I? Yeah. But it wasn't.

Like, he actually, like, it was just used as a ruse. Yes. In the end, yeah, in the end it was. But it was interesting how, you know, she, you know, I don't know, put the radio together and found it in the trash and built a radio. I mean, who among us? Cannot do that. It's pretty obvious.

Oh, look at the trash. It's full of radio parts. Let me build a radio. Oh, okay. If you know how to solder and work wires, it's pretty simple. Don't. Don't. Don't.

I found it interesting, too, how, you know, the Commonwealth when Pamela and Lance and Daryl and they're all, you know, marching like kings and queens to Alexandria and Ocean Sond. And it was like, okay. But that's what they're really trying to drive that home. Yeah. You know, and I keep on picking up things that really annoy me. I know, but you got to let some of that go. Just let it go. It's walking dead.

It's just I know. And some things are some either inspired or direct carryovers from the comics. Others are original. Right. I know. I'm with it. I understand. I understand, Jason.

That's okay. I know. I see it too. I got it. I'll admit, I don't see what you guys see. I got it. But it was just interesting. And it's also interesting while they were, you know,

that we have the usual throwout of, you know, Maggie killing walkers and, you know, how, you know, Pamela is not afraid of that, but they've moved beyond that. Yeah. You know, they've moved beyond, beyond the everyday killing of the walkers. That's what they have the military for.

Yeah, the whole, okay, so there was that one scene, maybe I'm skipping ahead a little bit. That's fine. But when that one chick with the bow and arrow was like, hey, I'm leaving. Yeah, well, that's toward the end. Yeah, the archer. Yeah. I know.

I was like, you've never had it as good. I mean, well, things were a little bit better once before the whispers and all that. But, I mean, things in this post-apocalyptic zombie world, as far as you know it, are the best they've ever been for you now. No kidding. You're in a community with walls. Well, she was, though, with the king, right? She was an archer for the king. She was like one of the tops of the kingdom.

And she obviously, I realize it's me saying this, but she obviously has not missed a meal. Right? She's not doing that. Right. Right. Right. Right. But what I'm saying is that things aren't that bad.

You can't take it anymore? Come on, man. Well, when she brought back the pheasant or whatever birds she killed to eat, they made it seem like they had no food. Yeah. I mean, they were excited for three little birds. Come on. So, I don't know. Maybe things are getting bad.

You know, that was the point. As Al Jandrieu was on the brink of starving when the storm came in, remember? Right. And I still don't understand why things are that bad at these places. Maybe I just haven't missed something. Maybe they haven't explained it enough. I just don't know why they now can't grow food and can't hunt animals. Well, they did explain that.

When the whispers brought their hoard in, not only did their horde either eat or scare away tons of animals for miles, which they already explained, when the whisperers were specifically in Alexandria. So they made them extinct. Yeah, they basically poisoned most of their crops. They explained that. And they can't grow anymore. Not in a lot of places.

Plus, I don't know if you know this, Jason. You can't set up a garden 200 meters away from there. As a former farmer. You get me in a John Deere, forget about it. But it does take a while for crops to grow. It does take a while. So you're not just, well, while I'm a hundred. hungry. But there's been a lot of time. They're not running to Kroger to pick up,

you know, to pick up some carrots. It's just not happening. But they keep on doing these time jumps. I don't think the animals would still be extinct and I think that they could have found another place to put a garden. I'm just saying. I know. I know. It does seem that way. But then we have, you know, you knew that Maggie was not going to go along with the, with the Commonwealth. I love, you know, that I love that one scene where she like kind of stopped and looked how they had basically pacified Daryl. Yeah. That was big right there.

That was great. Yes, it was. Daryl is pacified. She was like, something is not right there. Yeah. The soldiers were lining up. I know. And it's interesting how Mercer has tried to, you know, he's trying,

Daryl has kind of won him over. Yeah. Right. Yeah, definitely Mercer likes Daryl. But Mercer also knows, look, I've got Daryl pacified, as you called it, but also. dude, things aren't all what they seem. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. Okay? I know everything is looking hunky dory and all of that, but you're only out of uniform for looks. Otherwise, you would be in uniform or it wouldn't be right. Everyone is always watching. Right. Yeah. Right.

And so it's, you know, that's, you know, and when you're seen where Maggie, you know, they obviously show her seeing everyone, you know, at the behest of under the thumb of the ruler, she's like, I'm real good about that. Although Darrell did lay a little bit of groundwork early on with her saying, right when she was saying, How can you trust these people?

He's like, who says I do? Who says I do? So, you know, he's kind of working on the inside. We know Carol is kind of working on the inside, right? She's worked a deal. She's got the king getting his surgery. Which, it's funny because with the surgery, at least with the king,

you agreed with Carol on that one. I did. I did. She doesn't want, she doesn't want Ezekiel, the king, to die. And, you know, the king is kind of given up. Right? He's given up. He's like, okay, I mean, all my debt's wiped out, and I got nothing.

I'm cooking on a little hot plate here in an apartment. I'm fine. No, bro. You're the king. No, I'm totally with you on that. I'm totally on care of the side. I'm with you. I'm just saying that. Put your kid in that position. I don't care if it's fair or not fair. I'm doing everything I can to get my kid the treatment any need.

Absolutely. Straight up. Absolutely. And you know darn well. I mean, Pamela and Lance and, you know, they're definitely, none of their people are waiting in line. Right. I love the one thing, though, in the beginning when Pamela said to Max, also I cut off Sebastian's like credit account. Hopefully that will keep him in line.

Yeah, she knows that she's raised a douche, no question. But even she knows. But even, I mean, even that, she's still going to be on his side. Right? He's still, there's no way even if she knows that he's a douche, she's going to be, no matter what he does is still fine. Yeah, sorry for this, Max, but this is a little insider parent knowledge. I loved it when she said, when she was like, can I get you anything? And she goes, yeah, my kid not being an a-hole. Yeah, that was great. That was great. And I was like, said every single parent every day since the dawn of time. Maximus, that's not true.

That's a lie and I know it. That is a bold thing. I mean, sure, I may have. said that out loud from time to time. It's not true. So it's okay. And I loved we got, we did get a little bit of, I'm not sure, the herd showing up at Hillside. Hillside. Hillside.

Or Hilltop. Yeah, whatever. Hilltop. Whatever. It's off to the left there. Just a few feet for being there. Yeah, it's just right over there. That was kind of weird to me.

I mean, all of a sudden this, the herd shows up and the one walker is dragging can so that they follow them. I don't understand why that, who set that in motion? I mean, it could just be a random coincidence. That has happened before. Well, maybe I, okay, I kind of see what you're talking about

in the context of these random walkers just getting into like places like Alexandria. Yeah. It almost seemed like someone was trying to sabotage the movie. Because like, how did a walker just get into Alexandria? Well, the walls are. We've had a breach. Yeah.

The walls aren't together a lot. No, I know, but it just seemed. Okay. Yeah, right when that delegation shows up, this Walker sneaks in. Right. He happens to be out in the front yard. Yeah. And then all that herd shows up to show that they're not as secure as what maybe they thought they were.

Right. There might be something to that. I don't know. It could have been random like Max was saying, but it did seem weird in the context of the Walker getting down. It does. And we found out in the preview right next week we run into a new group. We do. Right?

The episode is called Warlords. and in the preview it showed that they run into a new group. And so some of the sabotage could be done by them. Yeah, I, yeah, maybe. I so, when I, when they started teasing that, I was like thinking, dang it, I wish that Hilltop would have run into CRM because that would have been such a huge plot twist

to square off CRM. And plus it would have provided them a little bit more, I guess, you know, connective tissue when they start doing these spinoff shows. Well, and it definitely could have, and it may still happen. Well, right? We'll talk about this late,

the other spin-off show. Yeah, yeah, but I mean, it may still happen where, and this is just, you know, maybe some wishful thinking on my part, but I was thinking the same thing as far as CRM being on Maggie's side, and that could happen because Rick could show back up

and say, you know, we've been watching, you've been struggling, I'm here for you. There's always a chance. No, Rick wouldn't, though that wouldn't be Rick. That's what I want. There's always a chance. Whatever. I just think it needs to have.

If Rick shows up, he has to be in character. That is my law. And it was interesting that, you know, that Pamela, you know, obviously told Lance, you know, she knew what he was up to. And then when he went back with Aaron, it was like, everything's fine. Oh, yeah. That ending, that ending shot with Lance just shooting the walker. with that little look on his face. You get out, I was like, oh.

With his little toy gun. I know, and he's shooting him in the head, all that range away. That was impressive. That was damn impressive. From what I could tell, I think that might have been a 38 caliber snub nose. Yeah, well, that's a, it was a chick gun, whatever it was. But it did show that there's more to the more than meets the eye. He's not just, he's not just dangerous politically.

He's got some skills as well. Yes. Absolutely. Oh, we found out that... Making nose shots with that little snub nose? Yeah. And we found out that Pamela actually knew Diana, the first leader of Alexandria.

Yeah, they had some meetings, right? So she was a true leader. A fellow philanthropist. Yeah, she was a true leader. So we'll see. I mean, I feel like Commonwealth is... You know, Pamela wants to make sure that their power is consolidated.

right she knows that there's other groups out there and there's only so much that they can do to spread out and lance is ready to expand imagine that's what he was talking to me know mad that is really interesting though that pamela has that thing of like we need to stay like expand just a little bit don't out don't overreach where lance wants to reach out well and that was her deal right is that what happened to other kingdoms is they tried to you know expand too fast and that's what made them fall. But they clearly want to be more of like an empire. Right. The further they do stretch out, the further that, or the closer that takes them to CRM. I know. Which will be interesting. I know. If they do it. And that's when Rick shows up.

And that's when Rick shows up. And then we finally, you know, we have, we finally, and just, I just want to just reiterate one more time, Eugene, enough, okay? It went back with his little tail between his legs. Max. No, it's not all his fault. I'm sorry, no. I know that he's putting his tail between his legs because apparently that's what you're supposed to do to keep a female. But no. I know it's my fault, baby. It's not yours. All right. Those are rules. But from time to time, from time to time, maybe not. Maybe you say no. Now, yes, not all of this was his fault. Obviously, he got tricked. He definitely got. tricked with what happened with the fake Stephanie and then him like seeing oh this is the real one and then he's like

oh wait Stephanie isn't real that isn't your name by I know the stuff I love about Eugene is it he's just such a good actor whatever no Josh McDermott Josh McDermott he's such a good actor and I was thinking I guess this was last week after that you know that in scene which is phenomenal but like every time they really let you know take the reins off of him he just doesn't awesome job like

Yeah, he does. When he was in the sanctuary, there was, like, tons of good scenes with him there. Oh, yeah, when he was faking being a savior. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, his, his character's just kind of goofy, so it can't really carry the show. But, I mean, if they do more crap like that. No, but he's been a big part since the beginning, right? I'd say Eugene by this point is a, is at high, B, low A character. Oh, I'd say he's one of their A's. Oh, yes.

Yeah. In today's world, he most definite. is. I mean, just think about how you would feel if Eugene got off. Yeah, that would suck. Yeah, that would. He's one of their eight characters. And Ezekiel actually getting the surgery because it's funny, Kerry Payton, the actor, he

actually said, because my head didn't get cut off and put on a spike, I've just kind of been on the lookout through the scripts seeing, okay, when do I die? Because when am I going to go? Because he's on overtime. Because that's basically what happened with Michael

Cutlass when he found out he didn't get the arrow through the head death. He was like, so when's my death? When do I die? Because I'm on overtime. Coming soon. Who was this? Abraham.

Oh, Abraham was supposed to get Denise's death. Oh, yeah, yeah, that's right. The arrow through the head? Oh, yeah, the tracks. Yeah, that was supposed to be Abraham. That was Abraham in the comics. And the king is supposed to be dead now? Yeah, the king was.

On the spike, right? The king and Rosita were one of the spike victims. She looked hot last night. Yeah, she did. I almost believed that there was a baby in the stroller. I almost believed it I got that close I did it was really close

the king to me when she turned around and just kind of shook a little bit like I thought oh my gosh there's almost a real kid in there the king to me I never took him seriously because we've had this conversation before it was always so goofy to me but like he got worse when he abandoned that

and now I just don't care like if he died in this surgery I know I really wouldn't care I don't either I feel like that losing the king and him just being Ezekiel. Yeah, what's the point? Like the only thing that I would care about is what his death would drive

what I consider an eight character to do. What would that make her do? Oh, yeah. She might go nuts. And that is how you get Carol being Carol. Right? Yeah. I know, because she saves him with the cancer

and then he gets killed. Pushes him into the surgery, basically. Yeah. and then he gets killed because Pamela or something happens between Pamela and Pamela's kid it's Pamela's kid that kills the king What do you think what do you think

Ezekiel's going to get Rick's death Maybe but I mean that's what pushes Carol off the edge That'd be awesome So maybe because yeah because he does have experience in a leadership role he could be like a de facto let's put Ezekiel in Yeah I put him in charge of something yeah

Yeah That is interesting instead of my idea I mean it'd be more than a petting zoo That what he's doing now Because he was the zookeeper before We might crack a code here I know I know

Honestly yeah I think I might be with you guys But like that's a good idea Where Ezekiel might take up that part of Rick's original position In the Commonwealth arc Yeah remember we Because we had this conversation We were like it doesn't make sense

for Daryl to take the lead. Right. Like who else? Yeah. His ego might be good. He makes the most sense. He does. Now, when we were recording last week, a story broke right after we left.

Literally two hours after we were done recording. So we have a new show AMC announced. They announced an order for a six episode series called Isle of the Dead with Lauren Cohen and Jeffrey Dean Morgan. Yeah. with Negan and Maggie. In the Big Apple. That might be fun.

That might be fun. In New York City. If you believe it, that might be fun. And they already said that it's going to involve the CRM and all that stuff. Yeah. And then did you see the promotional picture for that? I did. I did.

What stood out to you on that? Well, obviously the door, the classic door. What was just to the right of that? It was a road sign. Actually didn't see the road sign. So the road sign said Lincoln Tunnel this way. that's not a mistake right right that's just not for whatever that is a clear I don't know this I mean I've worked in New York and I've gone through the Lincoln

tunnel every day for multiple days or underneath it on the trains so I mean it exists Jason what are you getting at Andrew Lincoln I'm sorry I'm sorry Jason that was a clear hint I thought so too I'm sorry Jason though that's not his real name what oh yeah you don't No, no. Andrew Lincoln is his stage name. Yeah, well, that's his stage name that everybody knows. But only you probably know that in the entire world. That was a hint. No, no.

For all of us normal people. I get it. Definitely. But Jason, before we go, you're going to love his real name. Because when he got his agent and started acting, his agent... It's probably very British, isn't it? Like, I don't know, Shingen Smyth, or something like that? You ready?

Andrew Lincoln's real last name is Andrew Clutterbuck. Yes, Clutterbuck. I would change my name too. And I would never let anyone like you even know that is ever Clutterbuck. That'd be erased from history.

Google would not know Clutterbuck, okay? And say that in an English accent. Sounds even stupterbong. But yes, Isle of the Dead. That's really interesting because now that's what, five for spin-off shows? Because we had fear. Then we'll beyond.

Right. And then there's that anthology. series that's supposed to come out next year or this summer. And they haven't titled the, they're still hawk in the Norman Redis, Carol and Darrell show. This is what I'm saying, though, because they named Isle of the Dead. We have

the name. Yeah, so you're thinking that that does not go to happen. We have the name for the anthology show. I just can't remember. Tales of the Walking Dead. We have Tales of the Walking Dead and Isle of the Dead. We do not have a name for the Daryl and Carroll show. No, we don't. That is my firm belief that

Daryl might get Rick's death. And the Carol and Darrell shows just a ruse to throw people off. It's possible. Otherwise, they just heard podcasts like this one where we're making fun of the idea of Carol. Carol. Thank you. And they're like, oh, crap, that's not a good name. That's not a good idea.

Go back to the drawing board. And I still believe that the movies are not, no way those happen. No way we get three of those movies. Not a chance. That's wild. Not a chance. Unless they bring Rick back to Walking Dead to help Maggie with CRM. over Commonwealth.

That's plausible. And that would appease me. Like if we get a heavy dose of Rick in Isle of the Dead, I don't care if there's movies or not. I really don't know. That's right. I know. And so then we have,

so if Maggie has a secret set up with CRM to help her survive and set up to go against Commonwealth. And then the king gets killed by douche boy. then Carol and Daryl are working on the inside of Commonwealth. CRM takes over, Rick takes over the whole caboodle. Dang, and then you could have the original ending. Yeah.

As in the comics. Maybe. This is Talking Walking Dead. Thank you so much for listening. Jason Butchell, Maximus Fisher, and I, Jeff Fisher will be back next week as we cover all things Walking Dead in Talking Walking Dead. You're welcome. You know.