Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - S11 E17 | Talking Walking Dead

Episode Date: October 5, 2022

Season Eleven Episode Seventeen, Title: Lockdown  WELCOME TO IT… With myself Jeff Fisher, Jason Buttrill & Maximus Fisher   EPISODE DESCRIPTION ON IMDB: Daryl and Negan rush to the commonwealth to stop Hornsby from going after their families. Pamela deals with protesters demanding justice for Sebastian's crimes. Mercer needs Rosita's help to fight a swarm. We also discuss Dead in The Water, Tales of the Walking Dead and upcoming shows in the Dead Universe… Join us each week as we discuss the latest developments in the new episode and what we expect in the future.     Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Season 11, episode 17. This week, the first of the final eight episodes of the Walking Dead, titled Lockdown. This is Talking Walking Dead. Welcome to it. Myself, Jeff Fisher, Jason Butrell, and Maximus Fisher back at it again. Hello. Talking Walking Dead, the first of the final eight of Werenst.

Walking Dead, titled Lockdown. Episode description on IMDB, Daryl and Egan rush to the Commonwealth to stop Hornsby from going after their families, Pamela deals with protesters demanding justice for Sebastian's crimes, and Mercer needs Rosita's help to fight a swarm. I enjoyed the episode. I enjoyed it very much. It was awesome. We went back and forth, different characters swapped around.

It was fun. It was fun. Yeah, I agree. I want to just start off. What a ride, man. I cannot believe this is winding down. I know. Jeez. I have, wow. Like what? Like, I remember when I first came in on the show with you guys, it seems like years ago.

It was. But, I mean, yeah, I was. But, I mean, there was no end in sight at that point. Right. All of our core characters were there. Rick was there. Everyone was there. Now we have seven episodes left. Now we have seven episodes left.

The cast is in shambles. The plot is kind of in shambles, but I am having fun with it. I mean, the plot is kind of. So, yeah, this episode really hit me on the fields when they started off with all the flashbacks. Yeah. So, Max, who was talking? That was Judith. That was Judith.

So was she talking as if she was in the future and she was kind of looking back? Maybe. That's what it sounded like. That kind of sounded like that. So that could be a reference to basically Carl's ending at the end of the Walking Dead comics, or it could just be like her talking about just things that have happened in general. It could be either or. Yeah.

I mean, is that all the Rick we're going to get to? It better, I think not. I'm going to try not to cuss on this a lot because there's going to be a lot of times when I might in these final eight episodes, now seven. But it better not be. I mean, we got that. I was right, by the way. We got the about what? The Rick stuff. It's happening.

What? The teases? Yeah. We know that we have the Rick and Michone show. We're getting a Rick and Michone show. But by being right, if you mean that you were wrong, that the movies were going to happen and I said that they weren't. That's what you mean by being right. Yes, you were right. If the show equals or is longer than three movies length, I was right.

Stop it. Look, I don't care as far as in terms that, well, no, I do care. I can't wait to see Rick and Michone. That's going to be dope. I know. But we better get some Rick in the next within the next seven episodes. Agreed. And not a flashback.

An actual Rick sighting. Not just the open of old Rick from season one walking down the hallway. We got it. Oh, there was this, oh, there was one where, like, they were all kind of walking in like a reservoir dog scene. You know what I mean? Rick in the middle, like just kind of like shoulders back, look at like a total freaking badass. I know, it was awesome. How do we miss this?

I know. And that's really what this show misses now, too. Yeah. There's really not like, okay, so Daryl, he's a cool dude, you know, he's a good character. We have Negan, which I love. Negan, which I love. None of them are that like alpha male, I will beat you the hell up type guy. And I know we can stand behind you and I know he's going to get it done.

There's not that guy in the show anymore. There's just not. I feel like, well, I mean. I'd love to hear if you guys think there is. I mean, I mean, I definitely agree with you at the moment. There's not a strong lead at all. There could be. Negan could be a strong lead.

But he's backed off, we're worrying about the wife with the baby. They've clearly pulled him back, which is just an utter shame. The reason they're doing that, because I guarantee you, the reason they're pulling back Negan in these final episodes, other than, you know, them having to integrate him into the Commonwealth storyline from scratch because he's not there in the comics is because

we're getting him and Maggie in New York soon, Dead City. Oh, right. So with their new show, which will be hopefully great to watch. But it's such a weird, like, I keep on, like in this episode, I kept

waiting for him to break out. You can tell him the actor remembers Negan from a few seasons ago. And he wants to. He's just lingering. Oh, Jeffrey Dean Morgan. And I saw in your notes, sorry, we're just going to blow this outline all the hell. But I saw like, I saw in your notes where he was like, do you know who I am? Yes.

To that little punk kid. Oh, God, Sebastian, yeah. That was my favorite part of him breaking into Sebastian. I know. Do you know who I am? Oh, and please show him who you are. Please. That's all I hope.

Can we all agree, like, we all hate Sebastian? Can we just say that? I don't even care about Sebastian one bit, but you're right. That was awesome. We keep waiting for that. Because they just, they let that linger, like I said,

just underneath the surface, and that has to come out. Yeah, so what they have him as is like, he's like the guy that has a ton of charisma, but they dangle it out there like a fish on what he's capable of. So like when,

like that scene, Carol's all like saying, yeah, come with blah, blah, and he's all talking back. And he's all, what was his line about, yeah,

I've seen her, you know, perform magic tricks. and pull rabbits out of her ass. Yeah, that was great. That was all, that was amazing. He's got all this one-liner, you know, capability. You know, the writers still want to do it.

But you can tell, like I said, they're holding something back. I know. It's kind of irritating. It is a little irritating. Whatever. It is. It was fun to see. And then when they had their plan to get, what's his face, Lance and Nagan put the mask

back on. Yeah. Negan saw his whisperer mask. Yeah. Does he have like a little wist. wooden box that he keeps that in. He just carries it around the back pocket like a handkerchief. That wouldn't surprise me. That actually wouldn't surprise me. You never want to go too far without the old mask in the back pocket. They never know when you might need it.

I mean, it's possible. So by the way, I love Lance. I don't know why. He's a total a whole. He's like, I just like him. Yeah, no, I see you're saying. I do too. He's a good, he's a good bad guy. Pamela on her own is not. No. Bad enough. I don't, yeah. And Pamela never was the bad guy in my mind. She was more of, she's just there as like, she's a bad politician.

That's about it. Lance is, Lance is, we've all said it. He's the snivel. He's the snake. Well, she always, I mean, look, Pamela damn well knows that she needs that type of person to keep everything under control. It's not a surprise her. The, you know, oh, I don't want to know.

I don't want to know. That's all that is. Yeah. They just do it, but I don't want to know. Well, you know, the chickens are coming home to Roos now. Right. And I thought the opening scene with him and Daryl and everybody kind of like battling it out in the streets. So that was cool.

Yes. The chase scene, them in the sewers. Yeah, that was fun. We had a Freddie Kruger Walker. We did have the Freddie Krueger Walker. I noticed that too. Was that on purpose? Yes, it was.

It was on purpose. They actually got the makeup guy from the original nightmare on Elm Street to do it. That's funny. That was just like a, I briefly thought. that in my head when I saw it. Yeah, that's what it was for. They were just throwing memories back. I guess they're going to do Easter eggs on all the shows.

You know, that's what they're talking about. Why not? They said they can't really do leather face because they already did the whispers, but. Yeah, but they gave a throwback with Negan wearing the mask in the Lance fight. So, I mean, you still got a little bit of the... That was a good chase scene. The car chase was fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then we get, you know, then we get Carol with the kids in the apartment. Oh, yeah, during the Commonwealth protests. They're being searched, you know, the Commonwealth FBI or whatever they are, the Secret Service of Commonwealth. Those guys, we remember, those are the two people. That was the one guy that Eugene was following and his girlfriend, quote, unquote. So they aren't with Commonwealth proper. They work for Lance. Right.

And, you know, I found it interesting that, you know, I get Carol Height. outside there and not being seen. But I mean, Judith is under the sink. I mean, these guys are detectives or CIA hunters. The kid is hiding under the sink and we're not looking underneath there. You could have just hit under the bed. You know what I mean at that point? They probably wouldn't have looked.

Just stay in the corner. Just stay in the corner. I'm not here. Really quiet. I'm not here. Cover your face. Behind the lamp. Get behind the lamp.

Yes. I'm not here. You can't see me. I love character as a kid. I love Carol as a character. I just love it. Like that whole, that whole scene,

I was just like digging because she's kind of like the, it was both of her personalities. Yeah. Right. She's the cold blood of killer, but she's also like, the mother. The mother,

but she blends them and like, it was so like normal. Like there were these surveillance photos of all their plans. Right, right, right. Judith just gips up while the cookies are burning. I just go, what's this? So these are the guys are you?

Oh, yeah. Yeah. And she just letting her. She's just, you know, that's guys, yeah. The only thing she left out was we'll probably have to stab them all in the head

pretty soon. It was so nonchalant, right? And these kids, they've grown up in that. Yeah, especially Judith. Yeah, the only thing that I think they could really turn some of these scenes up, you know, and make them really badass, as we know Judith is a badass. So just unleash her, right? Make her part of the plan.

Like, Carol holding that knife, I had no doubt that if those, if that lady would have opened that window. She was stabbed her. She was dead. Yeah, she was dead. And the guy was probably dead, too, because Carol would have found a way to kill him as well. Absolutely.

But I would love to see them incorporate Judith more and just like show everybody how much of that. I think they are next episode. I saw the promo for next episode. Judith was holding a gun in it, if I remember correctly. I hope. I want to see her holding the Rick gun and I want to see her whole. I'm okay with them fighting, you know, and having a fight where she ends up stabbing a guy or shooting a guy and them, you know, looking, oh, Judith, no, don't worry about it. It's the way things are now.

She's already killed somebody. She killed a whisperer. Remember? Yeah, but I mean, they've all, they've considered, they've continually tried to keep her as a kid. Yeah. And it's time. It's time to Judith. I mean, she's Rick's kid.

Yeah. And she's not a kid. Right. With her upbringing, she's not a kid. Right. Let's go. These other kids can play with their little. They've still got a chance.

Gracie and RJ. Yeah, Gracie and RJ. Yeah. But this is Rick's girl. Right. It's Judith. Hello. Come on.

She's a warrior. I mean, I think it's interesting. I think it's important, like, in these last few episodes to acknowledge, like, the ultimate fan fiction. God, I'm sorry, Jason. This is, like, for us. Like, this season is for us. The ultimate fan fiction is like,

how would we like these episodes to be? And I'm not really criticizing it. I just wish that they would turn it up because we're not going to see anything else after this. I hate you saying that because it hurts. I know, it does. It does. Like, I get it.

We're going to still have the spinoff. We're still going to have fear, but it hurts hearing that the main show is going to be over. I know. But fear is not the walking day. No, it's not. And when we get to the end of talking about this episode, episode 17, we'll have to talk about the spinoffs that took place as well. But we'll get back to talking that. I did like the, yeah.

Okay. I think I've had enough of. I think I want Negan's baby mama to die. What? Why do you want her to die? Because that way Negan goes back to being Negan. Yeah, I don't want domesticated Negan. I know.

I really do. Because that whole baby mama thing is just driving me insane. Here's the thing, though. I think she's going to be part of, I think Ann is going to be one of the main characters in Dead City. I think she's going to be part of like the whole Dead City arc with Maggie and Negan. Which is fine if they make her, it'll be fine if they make her. It'll be fine if they make her more interesting,

but right now she's not interesting in the slightest. She loses the kid or something. They don't want another kid to haul around. Always trying to be quiet. The baby crying. But that's one more that's immune to the virus, though, right? Oh, no. Well, that's a good point.

That has been proven wrong. That's a good point. That has been proven wrong. It has not. Yes, it has. No, it hasn't. Yes, it has. Where was it proven wrong?

When Maggie came back and she was telling the story how she went, like she found, she was kidnapped, she found this farm or whatever, and there was a dead pregnant lady and there was a Walker baby inside her. Here's say. Yeah, it wasn't born. Here's say until we see it on camera.

It's boring. Once it goes through the fallopian tubes, then it's a cure. Oh, that's how it works. That's when the magic happens. Don't you know how babies are born? I saw that, and I don't know We have Pamela with Oh, we need to talk about Niga and Mercer.

Yomaco, Yamiko, Yomico, whatever a stupid name is. And your girl. Magnet. Magna, they're broken up now. We've known they've been broken up. Free agent, baby. Yeah. You love Bagno.

She was all kinds of hot this episode. I know. She was, man. She looked good on that part, Benz. And I will say, I will say the half-death, deaf dude looks more and more like a girl now. So I'm willing to to concede more than...

Kelly? Looks a little more like a girl. Yes, her name's Kelly. If you say so. I will never forget that episode where I had where I proved you guys wrong. I'm just saying that was... On what?

Like when you thought Kelly was a guy and I was like, no, the actress is a girl and like it's angel theory and then you look it up. What's funny is I literally thought it was a dude. That's the best part. I'm seriously not. Absolutely.

That's the best part, and I proved you guys, and you were like, what the hell? Absolutely. It was, so, you know, you're right that, you know, we're getting more and more to look like it, even though I don't think that's what they want. But, and then we have, I forgot to mention that when the kids were hiding, Jerry was there too, right? Jerry's hiding the kids on their on taking the kids on the road. Oh, yeah. It's good to have Jerry.

So Jerry's still, yeah. That was the second ride. And we got the right. And then we got to. little bit of the king during the protest, right? So the king is still hanging out with the king might be taking Rick's role. Well, yeah, he was building up his, the people, the underground people. He's part of that group. So he's kind of lead those people. Was Rick doing that in the comics? Rick basically was actually like next to Pamela, like, or trying to argue with her like his vision.

And when the protests happened, he basically like stood up and went, this is what we need to do. So kind of what Ezekiel's kind of doing Kind of but he's not right next to Pamela though Yeah, he's close Which you've, Yumiko or whatever her name is Yeah, Yumiko is Yeah Because Yumiko is all hot to try with that other chick

Right with Mercer's sister Yeah, Max, the uh, yeah Eugene's girl Right Right, the, the actual Stephanie Quote a quote of quote Right, right. Yeah, and it was good scene

That was a great thing. That was a great. scene with Mercer and Negan when Mercer was interviewing Negan. And another great example of where Negan came in as, you know, just just, just

that below surface of I know you're talking to me, but you better realize that you're talking to me. Yeah. By the way, I love Mercer. His demeanor. Yeah, like Mercer too. His demeanor in that it was just like so badass. Yeah. That's what I mean. He was like leaning back in his chair.

he's like whatever. But the thing about it is that they give us glimpses of the old Negan. But then like the old Negan, like when they caught, what's his name? The brady kid. Yeah, Sebastian. And they're leading him out. That guy like knees him in his stomach. Right.

I'm like, why didn't you just kill him? Nican, let's not forget, was invincible. Right. He was invincible. There was no taking him out. Even Rick and him one-on-one, there was no taking Negan out. Yeah, Negan always beat Rick and a furs. fist fight. So like, I don't

know, I just sometimes they're downplaying him just because time has passed. You think that when that guy started yelling, hey, I've got him. Right. Dead, shut up. Well, just play it a little bit how he used to be, is what I'm saying.

Didn't we have the episode, Here's Negan, where he burnt the bad and that was kind of the, like, I am no longer who I used to be? That doesn't mean he forgot how to fight. For crying out loud, did he burn his fighting ability? Do you know who I am? Yeah. It's still there. Right. It's still there. I'm not going to deny that. It's still there.

It has to be. And without, and again, without a Rick, Darrell is still, you know, Darrell with Maggie. And I did like the line with Maggie. You don't ever have to apologize to me ever. You know what I mean? No. We're way past that. Yeah. You know what I mean? You're, you and me. Sympadico. It's all good. Never have to apologize to me, which I love. But that's not where Negan was and or Rick. You know, we need that. Yeah.

Right. And I don't think I should go into why a lot of this. It has a lot of leftist Hollywood stuff. Oh, not this again. But they are definitely, okay, fine, I will go into this. They are definitely afraid of this really strong male lead, which directed the show from its 90% of its, you know, time on air. No, they're not.

Definitely afraid of that. I disagree. And they want to make room for Maggie, you know, all these other female lead. Which I'm not afraid of a female lead in the slightest. That's fine. If that's what the plot is. But it's clear, it's painfully clear, that they're trying to downplay Negan's charisma and his natural leading ability to make room for these other characters.

It's clear. It's like like, like Daryl. Darrell could also be a lead. But he's the minion, really. But Darrell is a minion. Well, Darrell's always kind of been that. He can be a lead, 100%. We've seen episodes where he's just been by himself.

The thing is, we've even said before, we know, Daryl is not a leader. He could be a lead, but he isn't a leader. No, but he could turn into more of a bad ass than just being just a bad guy. They're not going to unleash these characters, is my point. They're not going to. They're going to keep them at like a governor on a car. But we got it like that.

We're also getting on. They're not going to let them go over 100 miles an hour. They're going to keep them down. Negan could easily go to 200 miles per hour. But they've got a governor on him because they don't want him to outshine the people that they've already handpicked in the script that are going to like be those going to end. They also had to show him in into the story because he wasn't part of the Commonwealth at all in the comics. Well, the story shot to hell anyway.

It has been for a while. You know what I mean? I mean, they're still keeping some things. The main people are not there. Yeah, they're keeping some things, but they're giving, you know, they're giving characters, uh, roles that weren't theirs in the comic book, but it is a comic book role. Basically what they've done is they're like, let's make this person Rick.

Let's make this person, you know, uh, what, what was the, what was the chick that was with Rick, uh, Adrian, uh. Michelle. No, no. Oh, the other chick. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

What was her name? Andrea. Andrea. Andrea. Andrea. Let's make this person, let's make this person Carl. You know what I mean? Which is what they did with Henry,

like make Henry Carl of the whisper arc. Right. I don't know. I'm not complaining. I'm not going to say it's bad. It's just different. It kind of sounds like you are. But I am complaining when it comes to Negan, I think.

Because, you know. We're getting our own show with him. Let's be honest. We're getting our own show with him. him with Maggie though with Maggie which could be cool but are we getting emasculated Negan or are we getting badass we're also getting a Daryl show in Paris which I'm excited to see I think that I think that'd be cool with the uh that new variant yeah which that really okay so that right there and we'll get to this later in the other shows that's walking

dead that's like in the very beginning when walkers were dangerous yeah and that's when you were like I tuned in because I was like oh crap it was like these people against the walkers and the walkers were scary. That's not the case anymore at all. But that feels like walking dead. That's what it seems like the Commonwealth when they were worried about, you know, Mercer had to get Rosita and they took the, they took the rat patrol jeeps over to fight the swarm.

We had some good kills. We did. But it seems like that's, I mean, what are we doing messing with swarms like that? We don't have that figured out yet. Yeah. I mean, I thought we did. Really.

I mean, I thought we did. I guess they did. did have it figured out. So this is maybe you guys caught that. There was that conversation between Hotty Totsie Rosita and Gerser where they were like, I think Rosita was like, hey, didn't, you know,

what was up with the flank or whatever that had that covered? And he goes, I guess they didn't have it covered. So I just, I was wondering if that was Lance's people that were out there, purposely letting them in. I don't think so. Maybe, but I don't think so. If it's not, it's kind of a plot hole that doesn't make sense. Or maybe not purposely letting them in, but not doing the job

that they're supposed to be doing. Because he said before, remember when Negan got away in that car, he goes, make sure it's our guys on the wall when he gets, when he comes. So he's, he's infiltrated, you know, the armed forces pretty heavily. Right. Yeah. I don't know. It could be something to look for in the future. Yeah, definitely. But on that, sorry, one more point on that. Yeah, you notice how the people weren't scared of the swarm, quote unquote. They didn't care. Yeah. They were like, everybody going, there's a swarm detected, and they looked at it for a second. And then they're like, ah, screw it. We'll stay out here and protest.

You know what I mean? Like, they weren't scared. They were like, oh, whatever. Dude, they travel slower than my toddler crawls, and we have machine guns. Who cares? I just bought an ice cream cone. It's going to melt for crying out loud. I'm not leaving.

Yeah, it's a rocky road. I got mid-choccal chip, okay? Not going anywhere, okay? Swarm, swarm. Right. Obviously, these people in Commonwealth have not been involved with that day-to-day. Yeah, it's the soldiers that do.

They're like, oh, the soldiers do that. Yeah, that life is long gone. And then we saw where they finally at the end, right, they brought Sebastian to Pamela. Pamela. And so we'll see. I mean, we'll see what happens with a douchbag. I don't know.

11. Are they going to put him in Town Square and let him be stoned? Well, no, no. What Carol said is basically if Sebastian didn't do those crimes, someone did. Now, we know Sebastian did the crimes he was accused of, but the thing is, I think Carol is planning on pinning his crimes on Lance. Yeah. So that's what I was going to ask you specifically, Max. I couldn't remember, but they did know for a fact that it was Sebastian that did those things, right? That's a fact. That is a fact to a lot of characters. I don't think Pam. Pamela fully knows because there was the article that Connie put out and obviously all over the Commonwealth, which is what started all this. But I don't think Pamela knows the extent of what he did. Yeah, I just couldn't remember if he really did it or he was kind of like a comment.

He did it. He did it. He did actually do it. Okay. So it's a straight up frame. They're going to frame Hornsby for what Spassion did. Oh, well. Yeah, I don't care.

Yeah, I don't care either. They'll both go down. Yeah, fine. And then what? The king takes back over? King takes over the Commonwealth. Here's the thing, though. Maggie and Darrell, whatever takes up.

That would be great. Instantly if he does step into the leadership role and he instantly goes back into... Now shall declare thy king. Jerry's up front going, you will bow before the year. Unfortunately, if Ezekiel's taking Rick's role, that means Sebastian's going to kill him. him. Yeah, well, all right.

Because I think everybody agrees, while it was an okay ending, a lot of people didn't like that Rick just died in his bed by Sebastian just shooting the crap out of him. Yeah, well, I mean, everybody wants that exciting end for everybody, right? Which is exactly why we want Negan to be, go back to be in Negan. We better have Rick show up somehow, some way, hop off a helicopter with the performing elephant. I don't care what. You know, bring the circus to town, something. Yeah. He needs to be there.

He absolutely has to be there. He's been gone long enough. And if they're going to promote the new shows, and especially Rick and Michone, the new audience has to remember who the heck he is. Yeah, there's got to be some mention of him in these next seven episodes. Has to. Or a showing because they can't just go right into a spinoff show with him.

We're just assuming, oh, everybody knows who Rick is. Yeah. Everybody knows of Rick is. It's almost a guarantee. They would have to do that. Certainly. I agree. But then, you know, I say that.

And then just as a side note, you know, I see where this is the first of the final eight this past week. And yet the show that follows, Walking Dead. Oh, no, not this. Talking Walking Dead. Not, I mean, talk, not this show. Hardwick's show. The one hosted by Chris Hardwick Show. Talking Dead, the television show,

didn't follow Walking Dead. Oh, yeah, was that? They put on the new vampire show. I don't care what show it was. I'm just saying, you watched the interview with a vampire? Oh, I watched the first 30 minutes and then shut it off and deleted it.

That was, talk about, I digress, but I have to. Talk about rewriting a show. Like, in the beginning of that show, right? they actually said like in the interview okay so we're doing a do-over it was a complete do-over the plot was completely different

you know what I did see that where they're talking about how it was going to be a do-over that is it's that's not the book that is completely not the book a complete different story anyway I'm sorry but they okay so it wasn't good so I could go on

right right right that this isn't talking interview with a vampire but my point is that they should you know I mean it's the final eight and we're still screwing Hartwick with not coming out right after talking, right after Walking Dead. That's bad.

I mean, we're going to promote our new show. I mean, come on, bro. That really hurts. That is. That's a slap in the face. I think so too. Yeah. I really do it because that's their that's their show that that A, continues the promotion of the Walking Dead and continues the promotion of all the new stuff.

Of all the new stuff that they promote. And we don't care. As always. We're going to put on interview with the vampire. And it didn't matter. I mean, It could have been any new show. However, I think I could be wrong because as me. I think you probably are. Me and Dad watched it on DVR. The way Hardwick explained it on like in the episode, like sorry for being a bit later.

The way he explained it, I thought that it did come on after Dead. That Talking Dead came on after Dead. However, Dead was pushed forward an hour or back, however you want to explain it. and what took up dead spot was interview with the vampire and then after that was dead and then talking. I thought that's how it went. I could be wrong. Well, since you've completely confused me, you're wrong. You're completely wrong.

So anyway, next week we have episode 18. It's called a New Deal. Carol makes a deal with Pamela to wipe out the slate clean on behalf of her friends, right? she wants to get everybody out. Aaron and Jerry, Lydia, and Elijah, get on the road back to Oceanside to fill Oceanside in on the plan. Even though they're already taken over.

Right. And the Commonwealth celebrates Founders Day. So we're still going to party at Commonwealth and put on a party. Well, it sounds familiar. Are they still partying at the White House here in the United States? Sounds familiar. I don't know.

Never mind. I don't want to talk about that. Don't get me started, Jeffrey. I could easily go along that road with you, my friend. I'd just be confused. I'm looking forward to it. In the off time, we had, you know, we had dead in the water, fear of the walking dead. And we had tales of the walking dead.

Now, there were six episodes of tales of the walking dead. Before we got to tales, we have to talk about dead in the water. I thought dead in the water was great. Well, I was going to, I'll talk about dead in water. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Hosted by Max Fisher, take it away. I'm sorry. Go ahead.

Now we're talking about dead in the water. Fear, dead in the water. That's what we're talking about. Okay. I've decided. Okay. It came out first, so we should talk about it first. I did enjoy the quibby style of the 10-minute episodes.

It was weird. So, Jason, you said, okay, you said you hadn't watched these, correct? No. I recommend it. Yeah, Dead in the Water was really good. Especially dead in the water. the beginning of the, it was the beginning of the virus in the sub. And it was, you know, the sub that they were hunting for on fear. You know, they were looking for the key and now they're

in it and the nuke's all part of fear. But it was the pre, you know, pre during the very beginning of the virus, much better than the beginning of fear. No question better than fear. And I know there was one episode. The main, the main character is Riley, a teddy's right-hand man. throughout most of Teddy's time and fear. And the thing is, is this is the weird one. So you could watch it, if you don't have AMC Plus, you watch it like all of it on five to ten minute parts. Yeah, the Quibi style.

It's really good, different parts. But you, Jason, because you have AMC Plus, it's just one episode. It's one 45-minute episode. Yeah, which is worth, it's worth watching. I don't have AMC Plus. You used to? No, I got it through other means. Yeah.

I didn't shut that voice down. Sorry about that. I can't see that. I can't see her anymore. I've seen a lot of reviews say that dead in the water is the best thing fears produced in a long time. Yeah. I mean,

it was really good. It was well, it was way, I mean, way better than the beginning of fear, the actual fear. No question. And since we knew that they were,

and ended up, you know, they had, you know, brought that sub-aracted, And Beach did. And that's what they were looking for and fear. And that's where the nukes came from.

It was interesting to see how it got there. You know, because we see, oh, that's how it got there. And we even get at the end, spoiler alert, Jason. But we do get a glimpse at the end of Teddy Finding Riley. Yeah. And it was cool seeing John Glover as Teddy again. That's worth it. Then we would go, let's get the tails.

Okay, here we go. Tales of the Walking Dead. Now, I know we can probably do a whole other episode, but I don't really want to. but I will say there were six episodes of Tales of the Walking Dead now I was really looking forward to these I was too I was really looking forward

And why didn't you watch him Then get into that Why was that? I said we'll get into that I know you watched episode one I watched episode one Episode one was the dinkleberries on the motorcycle Yeah that was

What's actor's name He was President Camacho And Eideocracy Terry Oh yeah I don't know but What's his name And then Olivia Munn.

Yeah. That one. The concept was actually kind of cool. But yeah, the episode's Evie and Joe. Yeah. So I really, I was looking forward to watching these. And I thought that because they're doing all these like disconnected stories, they could really get at the heart of the Walking Dead.

Which is what they did with fear with the dead in the water. They did do that. So you peaked my interest on that. Yes, watch that in watching that. I'm interested in watching that if it's like one, like how you said, one 45 episode. I'm interested in that. I was not interested at all in watching these 10-minute breakup.

But it was worth it. I can barely watch 30-minute episodes now. I'm just so used to the hour-long format. But anyway, the concept of the first one was good. It was, you know, this like survivalist that was in contact with another survivalist. I thought that was cool. Yeah, that was good. I could put myself in that situation, you know, like, you know, someone that's in their bunker and is, like, prepared.

My problem with it was, it was goofy. The entire episode was goofy. There was not one serious part in it at all. Even the horror aspect of it was goofy. When the girl was, when he met the girl and she's just a psychopath. Yeah. Yeah, that was goofy. All the interactions.

And I'm fine with some comedy in horror or The Walking Dead. But that shouldn't be the staple of it. And now I feel like the AMC is making a big parody of the Walking Dead universe. and when I came to that realization, I mean, it could be just self-perceived. It pissed me off. And I was like, I'm not going to watch the rest of this. Right.

Well, I will say that the... There are two episodes I could get, I'd recommend watching. There are very much at least two I will fully heart, very much recommend watching. And I believe that is three and four. Two was Blair and Gina, which, oh boy, groundhog. That was, yeah, that was Groundhog Day.

Okay. And it was back to be your point. That was your point. That was your point. Another episode of your point. The preview for that came on after the first one. And I was like, oh, they're all going to be like this. Right. I was like, are you serious?

They are not. Back to back comedic episodes? Right. I was like. You know what? That makes sense. I get that. They are all not comedic.

No, they are not. Three and four are really good. Three is with Alpha. Or her name before. D. We find out her name is D. With Lydia. Right. Yeah.

Yeah, their kids, Lydia. And that was fascinating. They're in New Orleans. It was good. And there's a spoiler alert in that, too, that she wasn't the one who came up with the mask idea. Hmm. Which I thought she was. You know what I mean?

I thought she was the alpha, right? Now, she obviously turned into the alpha. She wasn't the first one. Was it beta? I thought, didn't he have a mask on? No, he had a ski mask when they first met. No. So, but here's the thing.

In that flashback episode, if we remember. correctly in the flashback episode where Alpha met Beta, she's already pretending to be a walker. This is before that. Yeah. This is before she pretends to be a walker. I mean, it's worth to watch. And then the next one I loved. Oh, this is my favorite.

It's titled Amy Dr. Everett. And it's with Anthony Edwards, who plays this doctor and it's set ahead. He was playing a doctor? Yeah. Yeah. But he was a scientist. It was really good. He was really good.

And basically he was studying walkers. Yeah. And this was past where we're at in Walking Dead. Okay, so he, they had sent all the, they had, like, National Park was where the walkers were. You know what I mean? And we had decided that, you know, the swarms or whatever you wanted to call them, the herds would be over here. We're all going to be a walker Unless we kill them

They're going to be over here So we'll kind of keep them contained And so he was studying them Really fascinating Really interesting And he has a And he is a scientific name for him Homo Mortis

Right And he talked the differences About the different walkers And how they Differ from each other How some are Yeah it was really interesting That's a great episode

Wait, so is that, you said past where we are. So this is in the future? Yeah. Interesting. And not that far in the future, but, you know, ahead. Did they give any, like, spoilers or any kind of hint on that European? No, this was in the U.S. This was in the U.S. completely.

But it was a really good episode where he's studying a specific walker, the subjects 21. No, that was one of the specific walkers he was studying. He was studying multiple walkers and their migration. patterns and the area that they were in and how the wild animals have taken back over. Because that national park was all the

animals from the zoos. It was just interesting. Any logos? I don't know which national park it was. I really don't. Like three circles? No, no Sierra. Yeah, there was no teachers anything at all. I know. That's strange that they

didn't do that at all. Yeah, they should have. And then there was one called Davant. Oh, boy. The one you hate. Horrible. So, like I said, there's the two mids, for dad at least, the two mids, the two good and the too bad.

And LaDonna, the last two, were just terrible. They were tried to be this, you know. So Daven was about this, no kidding, this Canadian French community in Maine. Okay. Already got you, doesn't it? Hey, this are reeling me in. basically this guy comes in

to the community and he lives with them for a while and then there's a serial killer killing their kids and they think it's him and it goes on

this noir mystery because he got hit in the head so he has a concussion and he doesn't remember what happened and he's trying to remember like what happened and did he do this

did he not what the hell happened and so it's a whole murder mystery of like who's the serial killer killing the kids in this Canadian in this

French, Canadian community in Maine. And he hated it. Just terrible. And then the next one was a traumatized couple who found a house in the middle of nowhere that was with a witch. And then we had to go through. Yeah, we had Blair Witch Project basically and paranormal activity. And just those last two were horrible.

So out of the six, two, worth watching really. I'd actually recommend. And I did enjoy Groundhog Day. I did enjoy Groundhog Day. The first one I'm with you on. I'm with you on the first one. Groundhog Day was just fun. I'll have to admit, I like Groundhog Day, so I thought it was fun.

Groundhog Day was fun. But it wasn't, but again, it was fun because I just let myself get into it and enjoy it. But if you, and I didn't watch it immediately following the first one, because after the first one, I was like, okay, is this what I've got for the next five? And so I said, all right, well, we're going to plow through them. I'll watch them. Dingleberry here. Max's got to watch them. We got to watch them. Well, we do. You have to watch everything, including you, Jason. So I did it. I made it through. So that, you know, it was, it was okay. I enjoyed Gound Dog Day. But the one with Alpha and the one with Anthony Edwards as the doctor was really good.

Yeah, if I had to recommend just two would be three and four. Yeah. That's enough. The rest of me need. The problem with the Walking Dead universe now is the format for a good zombie show, or a movie or whatever, it's easy. It's very simple. You know, they don't have to get artsy with it. They don't have to inject all these parody comedy stuff. It's clear that they're running out of ideas because they've already used them all. Yes.

You can't really, I mean, there needs to be a break before the next great, you know, like, I love zombie movies and shows. I love them. Absolutely. Army of the dead being a good example. There needs to be a break so they can revive some of these plot lines and a different way. And it seems like it'll be new. Exactly.

Everything old is new again. Right. But like I've gotten into like little Twitter wars where people are like where I'm criticizing like fear and stuff and then people are just loving it, you know, and they're like, what? Do you just want them to be battling, you know, the same old, you know, like another group, battle another group? I'm like, no, like that's played out. But also, but these new artsy ways of like how to keep the show alive is just stupid. You know, it's not the Walking Dead. It's lost the spirit of the Walking Dead. Right.

And that worries me for the spinoff shows. Well, we have what? We have Dead City. We have Daryl Dixon. And Rick and Michaud. Rick and Mishon. And then we still have fear going on. Right.

So Daryl Dixon intrigues me because... It's in Europe. Yeah. And it's like that new variant that looks pretty crazy. Yeah. So I think that could be really cool. Rick and Mishone, I think, will be a lot of Game of Thrones-esque with CRM, which could be cool. Could be.

It could be. It's dangerously close to not being the Walking Dead. but still is going to be intrigues me because it's Rick. And you want to know what I'm guessing with the Rick of a show and you guys are going to hate me for saying this. We're going to get the world beyond characters in it. That's my guess. I could be wrong. And I hope it's not them just if we could only just stay here and be happy with each other.

And we've got the kids now. We just be here. So I want it to be, I want that to be Game of Thrones in the walk. Yeah. I want Rick as the guy that's going to usurp the throne. You know what I mean? Yeah. I don't want to see this cowed Rick.

I want him to be the guy that's like, burn it down. So let's, yes, then let's have, let's, if we have to, we can show an episode of Rick that we missed. From the time he was picked up to now. Okay. So we do an episode from then to now. That should be the open. Where he was the guy that was, you know, taken notes and following the king

and being the guy that was yes king, the hand of the king, being the hand of the king. We're using Game of Thrones. Being the hand of the king. And now, with Michone, I'm the king. Right. The hand of the king ain't me no more.

There's my little pin. You can have that. Because I have the king. But he's still Rick. You know, he's not evil. So he's going to be doing it for like good reasons. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, totally agree. Absolutely. And then that would be cool. Dead City's going to be interesting because I'm, I'm curious how they're going to fit NYC into the dead universe. So that's interesting to me for the same reasons that fear initially was interesting to me. You know, like a big, but it's also the reason why 28 days was such a great zombie flick is we want to see that in. We want to see the apocalypse in a big urban scene.

Like that would be very cool. We kind of had that in the first episode. It feels like escape from New York, you know, with, yeah, yeah. Kirk, no, what's his name? Yeah. You know what I'm talking about. Yes.

The 80s movie. Yeah, I know. I know. Something like that. Like you have like these warring gangs, you know, within New York. And you've got like our, you know, you've got Negan in that environment where he can get a little bit crazy to protect him and his. Yeah.

Could be cool. It could be really cool. It could be really cool. But unless they bring, you know, the wife and the kid along. Yeah, see, that would be, so you're getting... She's going to have the wife, the kid, and Maggie. And Herschel. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. And Herschel. Geez, we got to get rid of that kid, too. But it's almost like, I don't know, like, yeah. But I can also see a, I can also see a plot line where that empowers Maggie and Negan to be the people that we love. So like, remember last season, Neegan showed Maggie, hey, look, you're not that much different than I am.

Yeah, you have to go to a certain level to protect the people. people that are under your protection. You have to. Those decisions have to be made. I had to become the Savior. You had to become that for your people. So if you have two of those personas protecting their young in that environment, could get bloody. Yeah.

And cool. Yeah, I could. Let's hope for that. There's potential. Let's hope for that. And like there's a gang taking over the Statue of Liberty or something. That'd be cool. Yeah, there's all.

Absolutely. Take over. I mean, some of the iconic buildings. The Chrysler building is like a halfway bent or something. something. Yeah, it'd be fun. It'd be fun. All right. So this way, way, way long episode. Thank you for listening to Talking Walking Dead. Make sure you, if you're listening to this now and you're not a subscriber to the actual mothership show Chewing the Fat, what are you doing? Subscribe and enjoy. Jason Butchell, Maximus Fisher, and myself, Jeff Fisher.

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