Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - S11 E23 | Talking Walking Dead

Episode Date: November 14, 2022

Season Eleven Episode Twenty Three  Title: Family   WELCOME TO IT…with myself Jeff Fisher, Jason Buttrill & Maximus Fisher  EPISODE DESCRIPTION ON IMDB: Mercer secretly brings Eugene to Max and Yumiko. He is said to be hiding in an apartment until further action has been clarified. Meanwhile, a group led by Maggie, Negan, and Daryl take the train to take down Pamela for good. They bring the missing people back to the Commonwealth. There, an angry crowd is already protesting in front of Pamela's office.     Join us each week as we discuss the latest developments in the new episode and what we can expect in the Dead Universe future. Counting down to the end of an era...  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Season 11, episode 23, the penultimate episode titled Family. This is Talking Walking Dead. Welcome to it. Myself Jeff Fisher, Jason Buttrill, and Maximus Fisher, the seventh episode of the final eight. One episode remaining. Episode description of this particular episode, Family on IMDBE, Mercer secretly brings Eugene to Max and Yukamo. Yukimo.

Yumiko. Whatever her name is. She's dead yet. He is said to be hiding in an apartment until further action. Of course, you knew he was going to get out of that apartment. Meanwhile, a group led by Maggie and Negan and Daryl take the train

to take down Pamela for good. They bring the missing people back to the Commonwealth. They're an angry crowd is already protesting in front of Pamela's office and demanding. Okay. So, a couple things. I really enjoyed this episode. There were a couple things that happened that I was like,

well, so I would have liked to have seen them take over Alexandria, but we just, okay, we've got it now. It's ours. We have the soldiers captured, and it's ours now.

I would have liked to have seen a little bit more of that, you know, just for my little, my little heart, but okay, whatever. And we're just loading up, loading up the bus.

who needs a boss when you have a train next thing we're loading up the boss said the next thing we're on a train okay yeah well like in game of Thrones reference when they took the what's the when they took the Winterfell back

and then the stark flags dropped over the walls that was so satisfying that's all they needed to do you know something like that I agree yes the ripping down of the flag something yeah yeah sure it would have been awesome Awesome. No doubt about it. I think we might get that to next week because I think this is just them wanting to beat the Commonwealth.

But still, hopefully we get that next week. Yeah, that'd be nice. I'm getting my confidence meter on fan service stuff for next week is not very high right now. I know. I know. I know what you're talking about. After this episode, I don't know. I was like,

uh, it kind of feels like they're going to screw us. I don't, I don't know, man. We'll see. No, it's still early.

They're not going to screw us, uh, but Rick stuff, which I know you count that as it, maybe. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah,

that's definitely the bad service. It's just so weird because we were talking before we started this podcast. It's like, it's the end of the show, but not really. The show is just, you know, splintering into multiple different shows.

Right. So the finale. is just weird because if you know if you're hoping for some kind of like comic book ending it's not going to be that at all. You know what I mean? Because like there's no in the comics it was finality. You know like this is what happened.

This is how they moved on. This is how they lived the rest of their lives. This is just like the staging point to how are we going to start these other shows? So is that what it's going to be like it's going to ramp up at the end? They're going to be like, okay, now you guys go in that direction so you can start that show. You guys go in that direction so you can start this show. There's no finality.

And we got a little bit of that with, you know, Negan on the train with the king, saying, you know, if you, you know, I, you guys are better people with me. And if you don't believe that, you have been paying attention. And, you know, Maggie overhears that. That was a good scene. Right.

So we know that she's starting to realize that, you know, well, maybe we can, you know, maybe you and I can take a vacation in New York. Oh, okay. Well, that's the show then. All right. Let's do that. actually what's going to happen.

Let's do that. I've got a cool Manhattan time share. I think we love it. Let's go check it out. I mean, earlier you said, we're not we. And then later in the show, you're like, hey, you know what, we can do a little vacation together. But she didn't say that, though.

But she didn't, though. It's a dope time share. I mean, I would give it to. In fact, I haven't paid anything out for a number of years, but I'm pretty sure it's still available. I can guarantee you the people I'm sharing it with are not there. Guararantee. And we get the, you know, we again, again, again, which is just disappointing to me personally.

We get a shade of Negan being Negan, and then we have to hug the wife and become not Negan again. Even though he is Negan. I know. It's just kind of agonizing. It ain't happened. I don't agree with you on this. I know. I just say it.

I don't. It ain't happening in this, in next week. week's finale. It ain't going to happen. But I've seen screen captures from their show, their spin-off show, and he is wearing the leather jacket again. So maybe. Maybe it's in that show. I don't know. Okay. All right. So have you seen those? No, I have no. I don't look at the leaks. Yeah, he's got, yeah, he's in almost every shot of the, I think, I don't know what. It's I did. Yes, I did. Yes, I did see the screenshots of those. Yes. Got the leather jacket back. I mean, I don't know what the same point, but it looks exactly the same.

So maybe they're... Because I remember thinking, when I saw it, I was like, that's a screenshot from the new show? So maybe it is. Yeah, maybe they are getting it back. I think the wife's going to die. I think she dies next episode. I don't think so.

That would be a real shame. I would not like that at all. Oh, my God. What will we do? I don't think she's going to die. I think it's good, man. I think it'd be great if she died. Absolutely.

I don't want him to have a tether to his... mercy and humanity. I don't want that. I do not either. Wasn't that why Rick saved him? Screw it. Who cares? Who cares what Rick wanted for Negan?

This is Negan. Let me ask you a question, Max. Rick who? People know who Rick is. I disagreed with you on this completely. They literally talked about him like four times this episode. I know. We got Judith in the very

beginning. She's arming up for battle. throwing her judah sword over her back and carrying rick's god and giving the hat to the young one i mean it was nice it was a cool little cool little scene i got which which those which those little conversations mean nothing to the audience that were like hey this fear the walking dead is great i think i'll be a fan now or hey this world beyond is kind of cool you know it's a younger stupider uh viewer um but you're like okay yeah now i'm gonna watch the regular show there's not a lot of those, right? Who is this, who is this

Roy guy that she keeps talking? Roy or? You do know you are completely wrong on this. You are completely, you two are completely wrong on this. Who is Robert that Judith keeps talking about? Because if you started watching Fear the Walking Dead

or World Beyond, what are you going to do? Oh, there's this old show. Let me watch it from the beginning. Okay, I'm sure they all this that. Maybe. No, not maybe. That's the majority. Maybe. Okay. Okay. Okay, all right, calm down. They all did it.

I did like, and we got a, we got to, you know, it was, it was nice to throw in the, uh, the Walker train kill at the beginning. That was nice to see. It was fun to watch. Um, you know, it's amazing that now we have train travel. Okay, great. All right. I love that.

I'm, I'm a fan. A fan. We just created, oh, we now have trains. All right, good. Thank you, Commonwealth. Yeah. All right. That's literally the point of them.

I will say that it was nice to, you know, I know that Judith and Daryl and Carol again going down memory lane where Daryl talks about, you know, when this is over, I'll tell you every story. Will you? In Europe? I don't think so. Right. Yeah. When the whole Judith thing, I thought it was cool when she was all arming up. I have a different, like I.

So I'm all about Judith Armin up when they're like. fighting walkers and stuff like that. But when she was like wanting to go on the assault force at the Commonwealth, that was not easy. I mean, it just was not realistic, right? I mean,

let's have this eight-year-old girl join this assault force. No, that's not realistic. I mean, it's kind of what we wanted. When Carl was that age, he was assaulting people at the prison. For walkers.

Like, I'm good with Judith for for walkers. I'm not good with her. her going on the lead assault force to attack. Did you forget Carl did the same thing? No, I still think it's different. I mean, we're talking about Commonwealth Army, and she's the assault force?

Yeah. No. And she gets shot. Exactly. Saying all that to like, you know, it was, I knew something was afoot the moment. Daryl's like, yeah, sure, just stay on my side. Everything would be fine.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm sorry. I'm guessing she'd, doesn't want another Carl situation where he'll sneak out anytime he gets the chance and almost dies and does die because of that.

Well, that's... Carl's situation where she might lose an eye would be so much better. That's the thing. That's the thing, though. Maybe he was going for that option. I was like, eh. I have to find her later versus she's just

losing an eye. She's got two. Who cares? I mean, that's kind of a good point. Anyway, I will say that it I was torn on that because I do like the idea, which we've talked about, you know, Judith being part of the crowd and, you know, letting her step up. I see your point about going into the city, but, you know, we wanted her to be armed up and part of the crowd. So, and, you know, she's ready. I know, look, I know that she got shot, but, and there's no way I don't think that they're going to kill her off.

right no way Judith dies although that would lead that would be another reason for our group to splinter off and go find out right Daryl's got to go try to find mom to tell her that Judith is dead

and I don't know maybe I'm struggling with how we get Daryl to France and tie that into this show and maybe we don't maybe we just maybe it's we just drop them in to France or Europe and it's just a whole new thing. Norman,

Norman Rita said in an interview that when he, when he goes to France, it's not with his blessing. It's against his will. And there have been some reports that I don't know how many people read on, on Reddit. So I'm going to say something that I read on Reddit. So if you don't hear this and skip ahead 30 seconds.

But, just listen, don't skip ahead. What do you do? But, but there is, I don't know, rumor that at the end of the finale that he's just going to wake up and he's going to wake up in

Paris I think or somewhere in France but he's just going to wake up at the end of this show so we just drop him in we didn't so we don't know how we got there like he doesn't know or I guess but right so it is so we do just drop him in it's not going to be really tied to this show I mean it it is just because he's Darrell but the real reason he's there we never know Yeah. The weird thing is there were so many walking dead actors that were seen at the time when Daryl was shooting shots for the new show. Even Rick. Rick was there. The lady that plays Rosita, she was there, which is kind of interesting. Although hers is a little more explainable because she was like at a fashion week or something. But it's still just very fortuitous. But bare minimum, Rick and Daryl were there in Paris while they were shooting.

That can't be a coincidence. But we know that Daryl on the show does not have the technology to transport himself from the U.S. to France. So who has that technology? I can think of only one group. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Right.

So, I mean, that's CRM. That's hinting CRM, which bodes well for us at the end of next week's finale. But not really, because if they're just going to drop him in, it's going to be, you know, like he's going to, he's going to, he's going to find out once he's there but we don't need to know that from this side of the episode They like baiting. Yeah,

we don't need to know that. The worst case scenario for me is they pull like a Marvel movie and they have... I told you on credit scene. I told you. Well, I mean, that's what everyone is saying on online. Everyone in online is predicting that exact same thing. But they're

after Max said it. After Max said it. Thanks for watching or listening. Thank you. But like everyone is saying possibly post credit for Daryl, possibly post credit for Rick. Actually, there was one leak that said definitely

post credit, Rick. Yeah, don't always believe the leaks. They're almost never true sometimes. They're almost never true. What's crazy, though, is when I was like researching around on some of this stuff, there was a from the beginning of Walking Dead, there was a Reddit

and a Facebook page. I think it was called like Walking Dead Leakers. And they legitimately had someone in the cast. Spoiling the dead. I know what you're talking about. Spoiling the dead. Oh man. Yeah.

Like every single one was right on the money. And they just ended like, I don't know, maybe a couple years ago. But one of their, one of their posters went into the Reddit, the current Walking Dead Reddit thing and said exactly who's going to die and who's going to live. Right. And I was like, oh, crap. this is why I don't probably spot on I would assume

probably yeah okay so what did you say no I'm not saying that one I'm not I'm not so that's too much of a leak I'm not saying that you know what okay back to the episode I was surprised Lydia got bit that was that was that was kind of a good scene

where the herds match up together as they're getting ready to what did Pamela call it B-17 or whatever? Yeah. Yeah, she called her, you know, all the options and that one option with B-17. By the way, Jason, you called it about that Pamela bringing the herd to them. You called it. Yeah.

Yeah, that's what they were rounding up the herd to bring it into the city. Well, that was a lot more hardcore than I expected, though. I didn't think that it was going to be, let's have them kill all the poor people. It was like a little more hardcore than I was expected. Right. You know, she had to change up that way. I don't think that was. That was not part of her plan.

That obviously wasn't her original plan. But then once they screwed up and we got the, we got them in the walls. We got the wall. We got the walker that climbed down the Jeep. We had the walkers climbing the walls, different. That was a cool scene. I really like it. It was really cool.

It says something to where I was like all about, I was all gung-ho about Judith fighting the walkers, not so gung-ho with her fighting the people. It shows a lot how like, walkers are just like a nothing now. You know, like, they're just like, eh, we can have the eight-year-old girl go out there and slaughter a bunch. She's ready. She's been training.

No, no fear whatsoever. Something will happen to her. But not anymore. Right. These variants keep getting crazier. That's, yeah. I mean, and then, you know, the one guard when he sees the walker climbing the wall, he's like, what the, I mean, there's a new sheriff in town.

Yeah. That was definitely dope. I mean, you definitely felt his like, holy cow. Like, something is terribly wrong. Yeah. Yeah. And then, of course, we get the, you know, the accidental. I'm getting bite.

I'm going to open up the, I'm going to open up the gates. Of course. Yeah. The, um, can we take a minute and just talk about the, in video game references, uh, Eugene's level up? Like, all of a sudden, that was like in a video game. if all of a sudden like you can pump in a bunch of like a cheat code to your fight ability and then all of a sudden he just like kind of pops up you know and his muscles get bigger

out of nowhere and he gets a bunch of weapons like Eugene all of a sudden became a badass I was like crazy he kind of started to be one in like season nine but nothing like this like tackles that dude you know and like wrestles with a flashlight or something beats him senseless and then there was one scene where he's like moving all tactically with a, you know, with a gun or the rifle. Yeah, I saw it. Dang! It's like, all of a sudden he realized how, you know, like, how to move tactically and shoot a gun.

I was like, wow. Dead code. Well, now he's been watching and in fairness, and you're right, you know, they definitely put in a cheat code. But in fairness, he has been, you know, a kind of a dingleberry throughout the episodes, but he also has seen and been a part of a lot of those vile. in scenes where he knows how to do it. Yeah. What has to be done.

And he's also, it's also got something to fight for, something he's never had before. I was going to say right now, he's definitely, there's a reason, right? There's definitely a reason for him to, to fight. I mean, that's why wars are fought, right?

Over, over women. It's all we want. That's for women. Not really, but it's true. That's true. That is true. So we had, what else happened? We had the battle in the city hall, which was great.

Well, I mean, that was a great setup, right? Pamela, again, she had it planned out, right? Mercer, she knew Mercer was, uh, yeah, I love, by the way, can we all agree, Mercer's amazing? No, I like his character a lot. You know, like his character a lot. He was definitely, you know, he was trying to do the double cross. Pamela double crossed him back, which was, which was fascinating.

But then Pamela got screwed with the walkers being used wrong, and we had the new walkers. So it's like, well, just send them down to the lower wards. And the unwashed masses, we don't need those people. I'm sick of them. They're a drain on society. Let them go. I was annoyed with the whole conversation between Mercer's number one, you know, number one, you know, that one chick. Yeah, the one lady.

And then Pamela's all like asking very specific questions. like, oh, oh, he moved some troops. Oh, really? Like, she's that suspicious of him at that point. And then, like, that one tunnel, she's like, oh, yeah, totally. I know their entire plan. We're going to lock them in here. And I was like, oh, come on, man.

I guess it had to happen. But it was just a little too convenient. Well, I mean, she's been in charge for quite some time, right? And we were led to believe that what's his face? not Sebastian the son, but Lance was the one doing all that, right? Doing all that behind the scenes fighting and killing. You know, like would know about the tunnels and think about how to trap them in city hall or the main hall there.

And so now, you know, she's trying, you know, we're seeing, they've thrown that to her now. Like we were to believe that she knew all about that as well. Which we know she did. She said she knew she did. those things in movies always make me laugh like they have this impenetrable fortress

with these like incredibly disciplined military but there's it's like the death star right there's the one thing that can blow it all the one location

they can get in you know and we're just going to have minimal security right there the fact that's there at all you know is kind of ridiculous but the fact that you keep up with Star Wars lore

which by the way the exhaust port there was actually built in by a sabbiter, because it was so small, it slipped past. Yes, I am a nerd. It is interesting that, well, you know, I guess if you didn't, you make the case, right? So that if you didn't know that that was the one weakness, then of course you would have it minimally guarded because you don't know that it's your weakness, right? Because it's the one location where everyone could, whoever, like, I'm,

A military, like an entire army. Get into your... The thing is, that tunnel was very heavily guarded, but Mercer moved them all. But we're not going to know about it. Right. Come on. Jason, though, that tunnel was heavily guarded, and as soon as Mercer moved the troops, that's when Pamela knew, oh, that's what they're doing.

Didn't look heavily guarded to me. Prior to. No, prior to, though, before he moved it. Before he moved them. Still didn't look heavily guarded to me. So what happens to our girl do now? Okay, so aside from Reddit thread, who are we losing that matters? Are we losing anyone that matters?

I mean, I thought maybe we'd lose Lydia. What a shame we saved her by jumping her arm off, which was a pretty good scene. Amazingly, I was surprised that they made Jerry cut the arm and not Aaron. Well, he doesn't, Jerry, but Aaron doesn't have a sword. Yeah, but he's the one who knows how to do it, right? He's had it done to him. By a medical professional with scalples? All right.

Yeah. Huh. I think that since that happened to Lydia, that means she's very safe. Jerry might go. Jerry got hints, and anytime Jerry gets hints of death, I get worried. Jerry's a big fan favorite, and he's not essential to any of the other shows. So he's big time on the chopping block. Yes.

Big time. Especially the way it was treated when he went back out into the world. Yeah. Yeah. That's not good. That's not good. But he's got like 18,000 kids and we left the other. We left RJ.

Yeah, we left the other kid with them. That will be a good death. You know why? Because that will suck because we really like Jerry. But he's not essential. So we're going to feel it when he dies. Absolutely. you know stuff goes on

yes will dog absolutely we haven't even seen dog right we haven't even seen dog right we don't even care about that stupid animal anymore we just ship them off the the owner decide I don't like doing this anymore he can't have him for the show

going back home he's chasing those squirrels that you were so concerned thank you he's still in the intro he's still in the intro oh that's right he's still in the intro So he didn't take him out of the entrance, so maybe he is still around.

He'll show up finally with a dead squirrel in his mouth going, hey, it's happening. So I was reading the comments on like, I watched the promo again, like on YouTube. And one of the comments was actually like, funny, kind of mirrors. First episode, Rick in a hospital. Last episode, his daughter in a hospital. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, right? Because Daryl breaks running into the hospital, right?

That he needs help. Yeah, that's right. So, you know, so, I mean, she, are we going to lose Judith? I find that hard to believe. No, come on now. Not losing, we'll miraculously have missed every organ and gone through us because a muscle. She'll be fine tomorrow. Get up out of bed.

You're fine. Yeah. It'll be okay. We're not going to lose Judith. No way. Pretty sure she's safe. I don't, I think Negan's wife would be a good death. Yes.

That would just make a lot of sense to me. Yes, it would. It would be a good death. uh rosita i think it's a big candidate for death as yeah um i think the king would be a good death simply because he went through his speech with nighan saying you know that he should have been dead already he smiled and yet he smiled that was great it was good seeing a bit of the old king back yeah and so uh you know it'd be an interesting death for him he'd give him a really good death fighting the battle at the commonwealth.

And so he can, you know, maybe he sees Negan when he dies and smiles. You know, that way, and it would give Negan a reason to be, to fight again because he would be pissed. Yeah. I don't know. I think that's what I'll call. I'll call Jerry Rosita and whatever Negan's wife's name is. Ann. Ann.

Okay. that's what I'm going to call those three yeah but there could be more could be less knowing this these show creators it could be none I know everyone more I see you guys is want for death so much so people you need it shows yeah some people got to go how are we look I feel I get it we don't follow the comics much but like we at least follow like at least principles of the comics sometimes a lot of people died in the commonwealth arc do we follow principles with the with the comments anymore? I don't think so. We've been following beats.

That's what I meant. We've been following story beats. Like the CRM? Yes, they are new, same with Daryl. But here's the thing. Has CRM been anywhere near the Commonwealth? Yeah, not that we know of it. I don't know. Maybe. I know. We'll find out tomorrow next week, I guess.

I want that to have so bad. I want to be so bummed if we just have the post-credit scene of Darrell floating in some little rowboat off to Europe and Rick walking in the shadows somewhere in some building and Judith lying in a hospital bed. Even if the episode's very well written.

Carol off walking down some dirt road. I'm going to be so bummed. I know. I know. The end. We love you. Close. Roll credits.

Catch our new shows. Thanks for watching. Oh, and it's like a super long episode of the show that comes on After Dead. Well, I mean, it's going to be a whole night, right? Yeah. We have a red carpet event before the show. and then we have an hour and a half show, and then we have Talking Walking Dead, or Talking Dead.

Yeah. Talking Walking Dead will be that Monday. But we have, you know, an extra long, I mean, it's the whole night. Amc's devoting the whole night. Well, they should to the show. I mean, that show put them on the map. I know that's an arguable point with you, Max, but it put them on the gap. It's not arguable.

I said with Breaking Bad they did that. Okay. So it's a breaking bad and dead made AMC. Am I wrong? No. No, we already covered this. Back off me. I did like the one shot another great walking dead scene of what happened is when the king throws the fire extinguisher.

And Darrell shoots it out of the explosion. Awesome. Yeah. If it's me, I miss. Okay. I just laugh. Fire extinguers just rolling in the middle of the hall. And it's somebody else is like saying,

let me take the shot. And Jeffie's like, no, I got it. I've got it. I'm trying to close one eye. They just rolls down the stairs. It's two more shots. I thought I had it. I forgot to ask, do we think Pamela is going to die?

Oh, that would be good. I'm definitely okay with her dying. That'd be awesome to have her go away. Yeah, because lots of her face has got to kill her, right? Who wants her dead the most? Your girl? Rosita. Yeah, so maybe Rosita dies while killing Pamela.

So they both die. Yeah, maybe. I don't really care. I don't really care. But she's got the kid, right? She's fighting for the kid. And the preacher man, you know, is right there battling. trying to stick with that rosy to business.

I got to have that. I mean, he's been with her for a while. I know, that's my point. He doesn't want to give that up. I don't necessarily blame him. It's okay. Anyway, yeah, it wouldn't surprise me. She's probably going to die.

I mean, they have to have finality to the Commonwealth story arc, which probably means that she dies. But the weird thing about this, and I'll say it again, is there's no finality for the ship. Oh, that's just, I don't know, I can't get over that. Maybe there will be. Maybe there will be. It could happen.

How? No, no, like, if they, if you just watch the Walking Dead by itself, like say you're, it says 10 years later, someone who's my age 10 years later, see this, sees this show on Netflix, all the seasons. Oh, what's this show? Watches it and watches the whole thing from beginning to end. do you think with not watching any of the spinoffs just every season back to back, do you think there would be finality in that last episode? I guess it depends on how you measure finality. If you measure finality and mom and dad get divorced and break up and go their separate ways,

that's kind of a finality. But that's really all we're getting here is the family is breaking up. We're getting the end and life is going to continue on. I mean, that's their main point is that we're struggling. for life to go on without having you know

communism on our ass yeah I guess I don't know I don't even see it that way because I mean we know that like nothing is changing they're just moving to different locations of the map and they're still continuing the struggle

which the cool thing about the common or the comic book ending was life began to flourish you know and there was no breakup of the family really well I mean the head of the household died but I mean right right right I mean you know like

things got where the world that they wanted was starting to happen that's not how this is going to end maybe you know what here's a theory here's a genuine theory maybe because we know this episode

is extra long we know this episode's an extra like 20 30 minutes for the finale here's my theory those extra 20, 30 minutes is a time jump where we see that future. And then all the other shows that we know are happening between that time jump. Here's my theory. After watching a lot of these, that extra 20, 30 minutes is a lot more Chevy, Pepsi, and IKEA commercials. And they'll be like, there'll be 15 minutes of commercials and five minutes of actual content.

They always screw us on this every time. Here's my theory. Inside your theory, Jason, there's going to be another 10-minute promo for AMC Plus. Joking around to decide, what do you think about that? I guess that most definitely is possible, and that's a way to wrap it up and look forward. I definitely think there'll be a time jump. I think they kind of have to do a time jump. But how much we'll see of that?

I'm not certain. But then even if they do a time jump, they still have to have some kind of explanation for why all the other shows are going to splinter off. But do they? See, I go back to, you know, when we were talking about Daryl, I don't think they do.

I think in their mind, they can, we're stopping. This is how we're going to end Walking Dead. And we'll give you the explanation of how this show happened in the show. And then the other shows, are just going to happen. They're just going to happen.

And maybe we'll throw a throwback in the new shows to what happened at the end of Walking Dead, how I got here. But then again, maybe not. Maybe I won't. If they don't, I don't think we get a Rick cameo, if that's the case.

That's, which really sucks. I mean, it's an utter fail if that happens. There's no doubt about that big time. And maybe that's why the episode, next week is titled Rest in Peace. Maybe that's it.

Maybe that's it. For the writers. Right. Even though if the episode's very well written, when the AMC executives got the scripts from the writers, the writers wanted to call it like a new dawn or a beautiful ending. And then they read it and were like, okay, no, we're changing this to rest of peace.

Because I mean, they talk about how the walkers, we're going to get the walkers going through Commonwealth. Um, we're going to Mercer is, was put under arrest, right? And Max and Princess have got to come and get him out. It would be bummed to see Princess die. That would suck. Now it would be, uh, if Mercer dies in front of Princess, she could go crazy and then the crazier and just die in the battle because there would be no point for her, right?

And then, uh, she's another good candidate. Yeah. I know. Yeah. be her death would be would be tough to take but it's a candidate that okay yeah yeah remember her yeah sure do she was great she's all right she that she wouldn't be tough to take for me i wouldn't really care too much and then we have ezekiel and maggie fight against pamela and her followers and also army walkers yeah so i mean uh yeah princess could go uh i wouldn't mind seeing umico or

whatever her name is. What's her name? Umico, you said it right. I said it right. Um, um, she could go.

She can go. I'm okay with her going and the brother. I know we need to have a doctor around, but, you know, have a nice day. Yeah, whatever.

I know. Yeah, let's move on. So I could see them go. I could see her go in a, in a Pamela area death. and so i mean and yet

i go through all those names and i feel like none of them are going to die not one they're gonna walk off they're gonna walk off arm and arm and sit on the stage with hardwick and say we miss this show

it was such a great time and rick i know you wanted to spend time with your family that's why you left but you're still around every day. Tell me this. Tell me this. On the final talking dead, yes, I said it, do you think Andrew Lincoln will be there? He has to be. Has to be, yeah. Imagine he's still, imagine he's still in London. He does a Zoom call thing, and he's like, I didn't want to come down. No way. He better be. No way. He has to be part of the red carpet event. Whether he, whether he's part of the final episode or not, he has to be a part of the final episode or not, he

to be part of that. I don't think he'll be part of the red carpet event, but I guarantee he'll be part of the final episode of, uh, or the finale of a Talking Dead, because that's kind of what they did like at San Diego Comic-Con when they announced the Rick and Michone show was, okay, we don't have any more announcements. Actually, there is one more. And then, and then, uh, and then Andrew Lincoln and, uh, Deni Ruggari came out. Okay. It's, it would be a huge slap in the face if he's not part of everything. Red carpet. talking that everything. Huge slap in the face to both. It's a huge slap in the face to us if he's not, if they don't include him. On Andrew Lincoln's side, it's a huge slap in the face to AMC if Andrew Lincoln doesn't show up in person.

Yeah, and it's a huge slap to Andrew Lincoln by AMC if they don't invite him. That can happen. All around. This is the Rick show. For crying out loud, it's the Rick show. He needs to be.

Correct. I mean, we were told that it was him who wanted to leave, so we've done nothing but build the show. around him even though he's not there and it's his show yeah

he has to be a part of that and in the beginning of last night's episode where uh judith was talking about how she hadn't heard from uh her mom or dad like in a long time yeah they you know she had checked in with them before or maybe I can't remember the exact

dialogue but I thought that was another one of those kind of like foreshadowing kind of like how they kept talking about the climbing walkers you know, two episodes ago. It almost feels like they're setting something up. Maybe it's just, maybe it's hopium on my part. I think it would be.

I don't know why she would say that. I just stuck out a lot to me. Why would she say that unless they're looking towards something soon? I don't know. I hope that's true. Unless that's just their way of teasing the new episodes coming up. Well, you know, a radio, you know, her walkie-talkie clicking off. you know, towards the end of next week's show.

And it's Andrew Lincoln's voice and what's her name's voice. You know, Judith, you there? Judith, you know, something like that. I don't know. That, at least that would be something. It's not what I want. But that must have been thrown in as dialogue to tease to something. Must have been.

If we only get a voice over a freaking walkie-talkie and a dead battery, I burn that city down. I burn that city down. A broken crackly where you can kind of make out their voices but might not be. Oh, I'd be pissed. We burn Commonwealth. I want them all burn. I feel like I'm watching look at them all holding hands.

I want them dead. Is it okay just to have a happy ending? No. All right. All right. So next week, the final episode of Walking Dead. which makes it will be the final episode of Talking Walking Dead. Jason Butchral, Maximus Fisher.

Thank you for listening to Talking Walking Dead.