Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - S11 E24 | Talking Walking Dead

Episode Date: November 21, 2022

Season Eleven Episode Twenty Four  Title: Rest In Peace    WELCOME TO IT… with myself Jeff Fisher, Jason Buttrill & Maximus Fisher  EPISODE DESCRIPTION ON IMDB: Daryl and Carol rush Judith to the hospital. Rosita, Eugene, and Gabriel search for Coco. Maggie and Negan take arms against Pamela. The heroes assemble for one last stand.  Join us each week as we discuss the latest developments in the new episode and what we can expect in the Dead Universe future. Counting down to the end of an era...  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

All right, here we go, season 11, episode 24, titled Rest in Peace. Yes, the final episode of Walking Dead. And that makes this talking Walking Dead. Welcome to it, myself Jeff Fisher, Jason Butchrell, and Maximus Fisher. The final episode of Walking Dead. Rest in peace. Carol and Carol rushed Judith to the hospital. Rosita, Eugene, and Gabriel search for Coco.

Maggie and Negan take arms against Pamela. The heroes assemble for one last stand. Was it, though? Was it? Was it the last stand? I know. Didn't feel like it. It didn't feel like it at all.

It was just a promo for the upcoming shows. Yes. I liked I mean I enjoyed it I'll say that I am although it was fun okay so a couple things there was when they rescued the baby

uh the rosita rescuing the baby was a cool scene uh coming the walkers running in saving the baby love that and then uh I am really angry although it was fun to see

when she fell into the herd and I thought there she goes I did have a nice day and the walkers are eating Rosita and the baby that's some good eating and she comes out of there I was so pissed but she got bit

well we find that out later but I was so pissed on okay what do we do one that kind of went along exactly with the spoilers that I read because the people on set had saw that scene

and actually they assumed that she died right there but all they knew is they all they knew is that she did die and they assumed it was that scene. But pretty much they nailed all the other deaths, with the exception of one possibility, and that was Annie,

which we never saw, which is kind of weird. Yeah, Anne wasn't in this episode. Annie wasn't in this episode. Oh, yeah. It was all about Alexandria was barely shown. It was only shown at the end. Oh, yeah, because all those people were at Alexandria.

Yeah, the wife and the kids. Although we got to look at Jerry's wife, you know, at the end, when we went to the years. didn't die. Hallelujah. Jerry didn't die. That, and I think the spoilers did say that Jerry was going to die, and they said that Lydia's boyfriend was going to die, which is interesting. Oh, yeah, which did. Yeah, he didn't. Yeah.

Right? She's, you know, she's able to, you know, give him a half a hug, and they're all happy. It's odd, yeah. I almost get the feeling that they filmed several different versions of this episode, which would, which would make sense, just try and keep it up. They usually always do that. There were two scenes. Can I just discuss the spoilers for just a second? Sure. It's over.

So like, so the spoilers also said that one of the scenes that was shot was Negan looking very disheveled and defeated walking into the woods by himself. Which a lot of people, that's why a lot of people were assuming and he died. But that didn't happen. No, it did not. Well, although he did, you know, nod to Darrell and. seemingly say goodbye. Yeah, but he didn't look too disheveled and distraught.

Well, he wasn't invited to the old Thanksgiving dinner. And then there was another one that said that Darrell was going to wake up somewhere. And, uh, nope, didn't happen. Yeah, that, and which is interesting because I want to, so I wonder if they just saved that for, you know, his episode, his new series. I don't know. I might be for his new series.

Yeah, but I mean, he, said he was going to go out and try to find them, right? And bring them back to Judah. Yeah. So. Maybe they thought it would just been too much of a, this, this is not really a serious finale. This is just a tease for all of our other things. It felt like a series finale with some teasing too much.

It would have been like this isn't, this doesn't feel like a series finale at all. But so, so you thought it felt, see, to me, it just felt like a season finale. It didn't feel like a series finale to me at all. Yeah, the only thing that, the only thing that made it seem. season finale ish was the you know the final little montage um you know

when darrell's riding away and we have michonne and Rick which you know he comes back with his their this is kind of agonizing actually it made sense actually though

they actually showed something that made sense which I was happy about something that's interesting about that that end scene which I'm sure we'll talk about more in depth of later but I mean that originally going by the set leakers was never supposed to happen so the final end scene was just supposed to be Darrell riding off into the sunset to go look for Rick that's the only tease but then I read an article this morning I think where it was

Angela Kang and like Nicotero and they're all talking about how they never really say I don't think they even really say when they were like hey we should put this in they were just throwing around ideas. But I think that's all bullshit. I don't think that that was the original plan. I think something happened either in guests and an audience screening or something. Focus groups. I don't think

because they were pissed. Listening to this show. In one way, you better find a way to bring that man back. The thing is with the one I read, I read something where it was a direct quote from Angela where she actually was, she was the one that said

I wanted to bring Rick and Michone back. And I actually did. I don't trust anything that woman says on this show at all. And especially this leak was coming directly from the people that were editing the show. And they were like, we were wrapped. We were done. And they had to call them back and bring them in. So I mean, I'm like, yeah, I'm not, I'm just not buying it.

Don't always believe leaks people. But especially don't always, don't always believe the creator of the show, in my opinion, sucks at it. Angela King, I'm just, I'm not a fan at all. But I mean, if that was your plan from the get-go, why couldn't you schedule some way to get all these actors? They were talking about the problems they were have getting them scheduled and to do certain things and then how they were trying to figure out which set to go to and all this. Even in them trying to say that it was all their idea, even sounded like they were

grasping for straws and trying to give an explanation. I just don't think so. I think that they screwed up big time. and it was a severe disservice to, what's his name? Andrew Lincoln? Andrew Lincoln. Yeah. And maybe that's why he's kind of pissed.

I don't know. And maybe that's why you look at the time. Man, I missed my flight. I'll just make this video here. I don't think he's pissed. I have to disagree with you there. I don't think he's pissed. Okay.

I just don't see. I just don't see how you can't. Your schedule is that busy. Your lifetime project. You can't devote 48 hours. fly in, fly out? I don't buy. I know.

It seems really strange. You know, we saw his apology at, on, what's the name of that stupid show? Hardwick show. And we saw him, we saw him, you know, on his video saying that, you know, he was sorry he couldn't be there. And he and his wife. And it just seems like, I mean, is the wife on the deathbed?

I don't know. Because that would be about the only thing. that I would think would keep someone away from his... He even says in the video. That's his life work, man. You kidding me?

It made it. Yep. I know. I don't know. It's all very weird. Really weird. Really weird. Back to the show.

Let's talk about the episode. Back to the show for a little bit. I think one of my favorite lines was when Aaron was standing next to Lydia and she's you know still kind of in shock about you know missing the arm but he's standing there and all of a sudden he goes you okay I thought okay no I'm not okay oh I guess that's kind of I mean it's more that's what right humans would do to make each other feel better and just a regular hey you okay but at the same time you know she's now I

I still think I have this arm that you cut off me, you bastard. But in the beginning, we had the, we had the Judith scene, which was pretty cool. Then... Yeah, that was fun. I mean, that was fine. And we got Daryl giving her blood and, you know, the breakout of the hospital. We had Luke's death, Violet Man. Okay, before, don't.

Before I get to the Violin Man's death, we did get some variance with the Rock Walker, breaking into the hospital, which I liked. Right? He's got the weapon. that was awesome. We never did see the walker with the knife though, did we? They never brought the knife walker back.

Don't remember seeing him. Yeah, I don't either. I think it was more just, oh, they're in the herd. I think it wasn't more of, oh, we're setting up this walker with a knife. I think it was more of we're setting up that the variants are in this herd. Well, it's funny, though,

just on the things you just hit up, for one, the Judith scene, I thought was amazing. I love the fact that. And she's a grime. Right? Oh, yeah. Tell she's a Grimes when absolutely. She's shot in the freaking shoulders. She's a child, but gets up in her last little bit of strength and then closes the doors

and fights them off and then collapses. But that's why we love the Grimes is so much. Like they always summon, you know, strength. Absolutely. Carl did it. Remember Rick even said that was like a direct quote from him is, we're the people that get it done. You know what I mean?

I don't remember which season that was, but they are. They're the ones that get stuff done. Absolutely. And that was awesome. And that's what that's what we fell in love with. Yeah, that's what we fell in love with. But the violin guy dying right in the opening. Okay.

I know. That was so great. He was like, Jason, like you'd come back for a couple of episodes. Oh, I'm dying in the first two seconds of the first. The world is all upset over the violin guy. I know.

I have no. You wasn't a fan favorite recently. I'm not kidding. He was. Oh, I know he was. You hate that. You hate the characters you don't care about,

become fan favorites. I hate stupid fans that actually are vocal enough to like let that opinion out. That's like saying they love the series because of World Beyond. So those fans don't count. Even though World Beyond is unanimously not liked by the Walking Dead community. I'm pretty, didn't you say at one point they're fan, there were fan favorites in that show as well? Good God. Elton and Silas. There were people inside the show, but the show itself was no. I'm not saying characters. I'm saying the show itself is unanimous. kind of not liked by the Walking Dead community. Because world beyond was world beyond.

But we did get some, you know, some teaser stuff, yeah, which we never got back to in the Commonwealth world. But that's comic book world, right? I mean, that never happened in the comic book either, although neither did a lot of things. So Pamela actually took Sebastian's place, which is cool. And Rosita took Andrea's death. I really wanted her to die. I get the Pamela, you know, as Negan, you know, tries to win over Maggie a little bit and says, you know, being in prison really affects you more than dying. And so it makes Maggie understand that Negan's come around.

I tell you, I love Nagan. And I know that I don't see your problem with character development. I know that we're supposed to feel good about Negan, you know, becoming this. human being, but he's not a human being. Yes, he is. He's literally supposed to be Rick's equal. That is literally why Kirkman wrote him. He is Rick from another time. Well, evil, like evil Rick. I mean, there's character development and there's character 180 degrees, which I don't think should ever be done, period. Um, like, like, Negan should change some. But when Maggie was talking about the things that he did, right? Like, oh my God. Killing Lynn.

That was a good scene. That was a good scene. And then mocking him as he's dying. Right to, oh, I'm so sorry and crying. I'm not, no. It's been eight over. I'm just going to take it for you because I want to bear this burden. Shut up. It's been nine years. People could change in a day. I wanted him so bad just to lean across and go, I know. I should have done it to you too. I would have saved myself a whole lot of trouble. But, you know, I didn't. So whatever.

And whatever. We never saw it. Is that Annie? Is that his wife? Yeah, Annie. That's his wife. Yeah, she wasn't in this episode.

Right, right, right. And so, you know, okay. I mean, that's funny. Then we have the king and Mercer as the new leaders of the Commonwealth. Which is cool. I actually like that with Ezekiel being governor of the Commonwealth. I like that. Yeah, that was fun.

That was fun. No question. Princess got a couple good scenes in this episode for you, Dad? Yeah, yeah, she was great. You know, saving, rescuing, Mercer, and then coming back at the end, yeah, that was awesome. The whole, the whole episode of was just was good. It was a good episode. Yeah, it was fun.

It was a fun episode. It just didn't feel like a series finale. And I know it's hard to end a series like this and very few shows actually pull it off. But, I mean, even if the ones that suck at it, at least you get some kind of finale. And that's what felt made this episode so weird. Was this, there was just no, season eight. There was no finality. You know, you're just like, okay, so we're waiting for the spinoffs.

You know what I mean? It was just like, the way they did that was just so bad. That's all AMC's fault. So the end is just that life goes on. I mean, that was the whole point. That was the whole point of life goes on. And the problem was is that you set it up like life was before. We can't have it that way.

now we've all got to grow our own flowers and our own food together and be happy It's okay to have a happy ending I know I know But is it though Because like

We don't know if it's a happy ending Like at least in the comic book ending You knew that things were progressing You know what I mean Like things were going to things were starting to get better And this one They very easily could have another season Because there's still a big bad guy out there

There's the CRM, which we know nothing about. So Commonwealth could be under siege the very next day. We don't know because now the series is over. But there could be another group out there. I mean, there's just no finality. We know they're going to be going off to battle, you know, bigger and worse things. There's still walkers. I mean, we're still concerned about walkers.

There's always even in the end of the comics. Well, I know that, but at the end of the comics, they didn't have any of the variants. I mean, Carl was, or whoever was dragging him around like, it was Herschel. It was Herschel dragging him around like he was, like he was the Barnman Bailey service.

But even Carl said like the Commonwealth has expanded a ton, but leave the Commonwealth for like 10, 10 or 20 miles and it's still as bad out there. But it's like it doesn't dictate their survival. You know, like in how it is now. Like the walkers dictate their survival. By the way, can I just say I love the bad groups

that spring up like, around them like CRM or the old Commonwealth or whispers like you know they're byproducts of that dangerous world yeah and at least at the end of the comics that didn't really feel like the case like they were on a path to normality not not at not after this series series finale they're not there's just no finality whatever I mean I'm not taking away from it was a fun episode it's just didn't feel like a serious finale I get that I mean I kind of understand Eugene and Max had their little baby. Which, that was a surprise Eugene actually had a kid.

Oh, yeah. Go Eugene. He leveled up. He continues to level up, which I thought was awesome. Like, I find it funny. I saw someone post like the first scene where we show them on top of the truck and they get down and you see Abraham, Rosita and Eugene and like how they were. And someone literally posted, if you told me by the end of the show, Eugene would have been the one out of these three to survive. I wouldn't have believed you.

No kidding. Yeah. The Rosita death was kind of annoying to me, actually. Because, like, it sucks if she dies, right? Because she's one of the B characters. So you don't want to see a B character die. She's a strong B. She's a strong B.

Absolutely. But the scenes they devoted to her death were as if, like, Carol died for crying out loud. It's because she took Andrea's death. Andrea's death in the comics was literally the exact same from people going to say goodbye to her. So that would be impactful. I'd be like, oh, God, it sucks, right? Like, you know, one of the main characters, like, that would suck. But, like, her, it sucks losing her, but you went overboard on the, you know what I mean?

It's like, right. I felt like we did that with violin guy, too. I know that he was, you know, playing violin at Oceanside for a couple of years. I got it. Yeah. But to be that upset over him, I don't think so. Mercer was great in this episode. Yeah, Mercer was awesome.

I mean, that's an awesome character, right? I mean, he's been a great character, and he's able to control the army. You control the army, you win. And that's the deal. You want to have the generals on your side. Otherwise, you're going down. Oh, and Jason, we got your Walker, Lance. You wanted it.

we got Walker, Lance Hornsby. Oh, yeah, at the end. I was actually looking forward to that. Like her little self-suicide on the Walker. And at first I thought, well, before we saw that it was Lance, I thought maybe that's where we'd see the Knife Walker, that the Knife Walker would stab Pamela. You know, instead of Maggie shooting downrange 8,000 yards.

Yeah. with Deegan spotting for her. They should have paid off knife walker. Yeah. Sure enough. Yeah, I don't get it. You know,

if the street battle that they had with the walkers makes me kind of excited for Dead City. I think that could be cool. I think a lot of that. I'll send you guys the actual trailer because you guys haven't seen the full teaser of a Dead City. But they still haven't said how they get together, right? Because she said...

We have something to talk about for our future. Well, but... Right, but she said that she didn't want to... She didn't want Negan around because it brings up too many of those memories. Right? I mean, she's... But she's okay with forgiving him and saying, okay... You've earned your spot.

You changed, whatever, but I don't want to see you around. Because all I can see is that bat in Glenn's head. Yeah. But she did... But she did say he earned his spot, which he did. Yeah, she didn't say she forgave him. She said she couldn't forgive him, but he earned his spot. No, she didn't say she forgave him.

She said she couldn't. Yeah. And then after that, when she first said, I couldn't forgive you, she said she talked again about forgiving him. No, she said she wanted to, but she can't. That's close enough. That is not close enough. It's a perfect thing. Stop putting your own things in your head.

bother? You know what she meant. She said it. Then we had, you know, that we had, you know, the Daryl and Carol, but they're fine. And I'm surprised, to be honest, after Carol opted out of the European tour with Daryl, I was kind of hoping she might get the

axe, too. No, they wouldn't do that. I don't think so. What, that she would die? Yeah. that's a big death right i mean that's a death bigger than rosita bigger than moly i mean violin man they throw him to the side for carol you kill carol you're probably gonna probably gonna piss me off and i'm probably like a lot of the hardcores you're gonna piss a lot of hardcores off if you kill her it would have been shocking for sure i know but it would have sucked with you know all the way from season one she dies in the last episode ah that's but that i know but that that that that gave that would lead in

to Darrell leaving. Yeah, I'm surprised. It was, it was Rick and it was him learning that Rick might be alive. Like for him, okay, I'm going to go find them. Yeah. I guess. Did you see how Chris Hardwick kind of like screwed over Melissa McBride at the red carpet right before the show started?

What do you mean? How's that? I saw, I saw them talking. So it was like, it was almost like he, it's, what it looked like to me was they were setting Melissa McBride up to introduce the show, the show, distort. start. So he was like, is there anything that you want to tell the Walking Dead fans? Oh, yeah. And then since she goes, it's been a great ride and I can't wait for you to see this episode, the series finale. And then it's supposed to cut to black. But then all of a sudden, Eugene and his

boys walk up. Like what happened? I don't think that was Hardwick's fault. I don't think that was Hardwick's fault. The network, I don't know. It looks. look like they didn't time it right or something like that. And it probably wasn't Hardwick. It was probably like the director or something like that. Just keep talking. Just keep going. Keep going.

We got 30 more seconds. Yeah. That's fine. And whatever. It was fine. And that's the live show. That's going to happen. You're right.

I haven't really thought about the, I haven't really thought about the punchline. I love what. I love what Jerry was wearing. I loved what Jerry was wearing. Yeah, with his top hat, like a boss. And then, uh, and Eugene. man. He was like, I don't know if he was on drunk or meth or both at the same time. Probably both at the same time. Absolutely.

That one shot of him at around the red carpet where he's just standing there with his hands in front of him and his eyes staring straight away. I thought, bro. I didn't see that. Okay. Take it easy. We've got a whole hour to go. You're not standing at the end of this. You're not in theater yet. Okay.

You can't sit down and where people can't see you. Oh, so we also, we also had a top 10 walkers on the show like during Talking Dead. Oh, really? No, top five, not top 10. During the red carpet,

they did top five villains of the show. Do you remember what that was, Jason? Or have you- I didn't watch it. Okay. So top five villains was in order from five to one, beta, the terminus cannibals,

Alpha, the governor, Nigen. as voted by the fans. Yeah, fan votes. That's about right. Yeah. Beta, Terminous Cannibals, Alpha, Governor Negan.

I really liked the governor. I did too. That was a good season. Yeah, I liked them too. Then top five walkers was the Well Walker, number five. Oh, yeah, that's the fat guy. Yeah? Yeah.

That wasn't me. That wasn't. P bastards. Actually, crap, I didn't write it down. I forgot the other four, but the number one was Teddy Bear Girl. Oh, yeah. She showed up, right? She sent in a video of like, hi, I'm.

I can't remember her name, but I played the Teddy Bear Walker. Yeah, she was the first one. And did you know, and the one girl that, I can't remember her stupid name, but the girl that plays the, do you watch Bosch on Amazon Prime? No. Yeah. Okay, well, for those of you listening to talking, Walking Redd right now, and listen to Chewing the Fat.

You know I've talked about Bosch before. And his daughter on that show was also in Walking Dead early on. Yeah. Yeah. And I was like, holy crap, that's her. It's a small world. That's all I'm saying. Is that a good show?

Hollywood is a small world. Yeah. It was like four or five seasons. Now you're good bingeing show. It's worth it. Plus, then there's the new one on Paramount Plus. No. Yeah.

I'm Fairmont Plus. No, yes. There's a new one on one of those apps. Too many, no. The do, but I know. I know. So, anyway, the whole thing, I really did enjoy it. This was a good episode.

It didn't seem like a series finale, although I don't know. I'm not quite sure what all I would have done different, which makes it hard to say that it didn't feel like a series finale because I don't know how I would have done it differently. Oh, about the Rick thing, actually, I rewatch that scene to like pick apart things. So he was, so obviously Rick and Michone were not together. Right. What happened was it showed Rick without his boots, but it showed him putting his boots and the phone in a bag that Michone had. it like kind of went back and forth of them putting things in the same bag.

That's the stuff that she found out of the boat. Yeah, and remember he threw it on the boat. Right. So that was before the boat washed up ashore on the big island that Michone was on. And when the, when the helicopter came down and saying, we found you Grimes, and remember you can't leave or something. And you see him put his hands up, the skyline, most people think that skyline's Philly. because that skyline.

It is Philly? Yeah. Okay. So, and then also Rick was using the, like the spear, like the metal weird brain remover spear that was in World Beyond because CRM and he was wearing a CRM jacket. The one Silas, that little camp that silo. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

So, okay, so we have that. And then Michone is off. In samurai armor. Yeah. I mean, playing a. The Walking Dead game, the video game, riding or galloping her horse into a herd of walkers. I mean, is she going to make a slave of all of them? Which I'm not opposed to.

It would be kind of cool to see, actually. But so, I mean, I don't know how they ride up and find each other. That's really strange. Have you guys seen that movie seven years in Tibet with Brad Pitt? A long time ago, yeah. There was the beginning of it cracked me up because he was always trying to escape. And it's like they just, like,

everyone knew Brad Pitt's character as the guy that's trying to escape from this prison because he had multiple escape attempts. I pictured Rick in that role in this. That's what it made it seem like. Yeah, like he has, he never gave up the fight. So it looks like he's just been trying to escape the entire time. I would love to see that whole origin story there

when he first showed up. I bet he was a handful. And they knew, the way the guy on the radio talked to him in the helicopter, you know, and called him Rick. It sounded like, it's like, here we go again. You know what I mean? Like. And then Rick's smile was just so classic. I know.

That reminded me of the scene in the terminus, you know, train cars where he was like, they just mess with the wrong people. That was like him smiling up at him. Like, you don't know what you're getting into, buddy. Funny, the final line from the guy in the helicopter, he actually said, like, remember what they said, there's no escape for the living. Yeah, did he say remember what she said? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, like, so who was he talking about? You think it said, the chicken world beyond?

Maybe. This could be before? I felt like this was before, so. Before she got arrested by the big guy and Jadis. I mean, it could be Jadis. it could you know what yeah that actually makes sense it could be jadis yeah i mean jadis was in charge of him right she was in charge of him the whole time that's what we assume yeah yeah she was i mean she talked about it when even when she came into world beyond she talked about it yeah taking that over so it's

probably her anyway i just it was i it was good seeing him again i'll admit that it was good seeing him again uh yeah and uh despite uh i'm sure and by the way, Angela, thanks for listening to Talking Walking Dead. Should have listened earlier. You wouldn't have to brought back the editors to shoot two scenes with Rick, because we told you needed to be part of it. I'm not sure why that was a big surprise. Because they needed it to make sense.

Whatever. They had plenty of time. That's my thing. See, I say I don't know what I would do different. But given the time, if I was in the room with them and with the creators, you could integrate that and make it work without having to have it hurried up at the end. I'm not quite sure I get that.

Well, here's the thing. There's also one other person above her that gives the yes and knows, and that's Gimple. So maybe there is a chance. I know it's probably not, it didn't happen, but there is a chance. Gimple has this whole thing planned out. Angela wanted to do what you want to do,

what you two wanted to do, and Gimple said no. There is a chance of that. I think that the pandemic just royally screwed everything up. And they could have. I remember he said this gave us more writing time to really flesh it out. What it sounds like that gave them some oh shit time to try and figure out a way to make it work. And I think, and when you say how would I do it differently?

I think that having the movies would have been better. That way it could just been a lot more standalone. and let's say you don't have Rick at all in the finale. Let's just say that happens. I would have been more accepting of that if I would have known we were getting full-length movies of Rick that we would be able to watch that would have explained everything that happened to him.

But now the way AMC did it is they wrote in all these new shows. They went ahead and promoted all these new shows. Again, and the producers of the shows did not know about it because they're not the marketing team. And so it didn't feel like you know what we were expecting like there was like I said I'm beating this like a dead horse but there was just no finality there was there was just none and and the way AMC marketed this really screwed it up but I think that the pandemic also royally screwed it up so they in many ways

their hands were just tied so I don't know if they could have done anything any differently really that is true it's like it's like a mixture of factors of like it could have happened this way could have happened this way now I do have a question and I actually want to I wanted to ask this to the fans, I want to give, I want to, I want to hear your answers as well. Same with YouTube, Jason and Dad. If you were somebody when this season gets on Netflix and we finally have the ending and decide, I'm going to watch part of this show and you get hooked and you start binging this whole show without watching any of the spinoffs or anything.

You don't know about them. You just watch The Walking Dead and this was your ending. What would you think? You don't know anything about the rest of the universe. anything else. I mean, are you trying to say that they made this show in a vacuum, expecting, like, looking towards people that might be binging this 10 years from now? Because that's the only way that would make any sense.

Yeah, no, I know. I'm talking if you were somebody who was new, you didn't keep up with it, or like, you're around my age in 10 years, and you see the Walking Dead, and you're just like, oh, I'm going to watch it, and you just don't know about the rest of the show, and you binge the whole show. Well, no, because where's Darrell going? He teased something huge that's going to happen. So we get a finale with no explanation of where Darrell went. And then who's this Rick guy that we saw in the first few seasons?

All of a sudden teasing there's some huge grand battle to happen. We're just left at a cliffhanger? No, I'd be pissed. Even if I didn't know the, you know, if I did know anything about the other shows. I feel like, well, with the other shows, it makes it harder. I want more with the other shows. You take the other shows out of it. Then all you have is just, yeah, it's just an ending.

It's just, okay, it's over. And Rick is going off to battle and Michone is, you know, part of the new game show or the new, you know, video game. And Darrell's off to look for the guy that died a couple of seasons. seasons, two or three seasons ago. Even though he didn't die. Well, okay. But he doesn't know that. Well, now he does.

I don't know. Even without the knowledge of the other shows, it's still like they cliffhangered those two things. So you'd be like, okay, it was a finale, but not really a finale. It's really, I wonder if while we're, you know, while it's the end, and this was the 11th season,

and I wonder if it's just the walking dead universe, they felt was just over, and that's why they ended it, instead of keeping it going. Because I feel like they could have kept it going.

And I feel like there was, maybe that's why they left some of the cliffhangers and on and on because I feel like they really could have kept it going. I don't know. You know, the ratings have not. been great. Better than a lot of shows, though.

I know for the regular cable viewing. I don't know what they're getting for AMC Plus, how many views, how many people are subscribing. I'm sure it's good enough, you know, to continue on. No question. But I feel like that show could have gone on for quite a while. Maybe, I mean, that's kind of deceptive looking at when you say the ratings are better than some of the other shows.

But those other shows, a lot of them are like shot. in a house sitcom or something. This is like a full on movie production pretty much every episode. I can't imagine what that costs. So I don't know what they need as far as how many people they need watching this show. You know, to get, I mean, I tell you what, the commercials, the commercial revenue they brought in from this finale probably made them quite a bit of money. They might have could have greenlit a whole other season after that. The commercials were pretty good in all for this one too, especially the dead commercials like we mentioned earlier.

Well, we mentioned that off the air. It was all tailored to like to the content of the show. I can't imagine what that cost of these companies. And it was a former Walking Dead actors. Yeah. Acting for the companies. That was all Ryan Reynolds company and the idea of it. There's a lot of advertising companies that have been pushing that kind of integrated commercials to show us for a long time.

But it's really expensive, right? I mean, to your point, it's really expensive. They were saying, I was reading that they put, see, according to advertising expenditures, marketers put 37.9 million behind the series in 2021. And so, I mean, that's what they were getting for the ads. I feel like they were getting like half a million in the show for the 30 second ads. And it was the show, what they were charging outside for the red carpet and talking was like 100 grand for 30 seconds or something. Just darn it.

Where was that? Anyway, yeah, I know that they spent a lot of money on that, but I'm sure that they covered it. Oh, I forgot to mention. We actually got a cool callback this episode when Lydia gave Judith a box and it had her compass that she gave to Negan right before the Whisperer arc. when he escaped. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that was kind of cool. That was a cool callback,

because it's been a couple seasons since we've seen that. And she knows that that means Nicket's gone. Have a nice day. I'm starting. I can't find that. Oh, well, we've yapped long enough on the... Oh, wait a minute. There's one thing we need to talk about,

something that happened a couple episodes ago that... We don't have the time. That we forgot to talk about... We don't have the time. We're all out of time. That completely... Doubtably proved this man right here wrong. What?

Remember that Walker Maggie killed that she didn't want to kill originally, the Kid Walker. Yep. A kid Walker. So Max is, Max believes that my theory of if you were born post-pandemic, you're the cure. You're the pure. I mean, that still could hold true. That just means that you, you know, you can still become a walker. I mean, let's analyze this a little bit.

He could look young for his age, right? He could be, you know, a tiny person. He could have been just with a baby face. That's why Maggie didn't want to kill him because he was a little person. And he might not have been a walker. We don't know, right? We just don't know. He might not have been a walker.

You didn't see where Maggie was holding him and he kind of looked up at her. He might not have been a Walker. Thank you. So I get it could have been Occam's razor. The simplest answer is usually the correct one. I don't think so.

I think the jury is still out on this one. I'm with Jeffrey. There may have been a few theories over the 11 year span that have come up wrong for me, but not that meant. I can specifically name too, this.

And Enid. We're out of time. Anyway, but before we go, Before we go, one, I wanted to say this. Thank you for everybody for listening to this show. Absolutely. I really appreciate it. It's a lot of fun.

We appreciate it very much. And, you know, it will continue in what shape or form we'll let you know. Be sure to listen to Chewing the Fat. I mean, we've got plenty of shows left in the dead universe. And we'll see what's next. I mean, I've been here for a little over 77 episodes of dead, multiple seasons of fear, because I joined up with you guys on the 100th episode. What, do you keep in track?

I do. You think you're going to get paid at some point? That's not happening. No, I just want to say thank you. Is that an issue? It's not happening. You're going to keep track, but the money's not coming in, my friend. Jason Butchell, any final words on the final?

The Walking Dead. Um, again, yeah, I just, just mixed feelings. I am looking forward to more of the Walking Dead universe. I know, me too. Um, so yeah, there's, there's several shows that I'm, I'm really interested in. Daryl's show is going to be great. Dead City should be great. Of course, Rick and Michone should be great. Um, but even me looking forward to it kind of takes away from, again, the fact that this was a series finale. It is, it's not the send off that I wanted, really. It was a fun. Fear. Fear is still going on. It's so weird. It feels so weird. Is there any precedent for this

expand, like a show like this that has an expanded universe? So even when it goes away, it's not really going away. I don't think so. I don't know. It's got to be the first. I mean, Hardwick said it himself last night, what show gets this? Honestly.

Yeah, I don't know. Yeah. Well, I mean, maybe breaking bad. It's kind of similar. Another AMC. Yeah, but I think, well, had one for sure, right? I mean, with Saul, but anything else? They had the movie.

Yeah, Elkimo. But that was to wrap up the show, right? Yeah, that can't, yeah, that was. I mean, that's all it was. That was the ending to wrap up the show. No, that was all of me was separate, just to give the perspective of, uh, of, uh, what's

his name? Jesse. Okay. And again, that might have been what they had plan for the Rick movies. Yes. Similar. Yes. I don't know. I mean, I'm not really complaining.

They had two good shows, so let's get more out of it. And as an episode, this was a good episode. I get it. It's not the ending we might have all wanted, but it was a good episode. And I'm happy about that. All right. I'm me too. Me too.

I'm going to go dry my eyes for violin, man. Thanks for listening to Talking, Walking. dead.