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Episode Date: October 5, 2021

Season Eleven Episode Seven TITLED: Promises Broken World Beyond - Season Two Episode One...  WELCOME TO IT… With myself Jeff Fisher, Jason Buttrill & Maximus Fisher EPISODE DESCRIPTION ON IMDB Maggie and Elijah learn a new survival tactic from Negan; Eugene's group clears walkers to pay their fines; Yumiko interviews for an upper-class job; Daryl learns more about Leah and the Reapers; Gabriel encounters a man of God. Listen each week as we discuss the latest episode and what the future may hold…  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Season 11, episode 7, the final season, titled Promises Broken, with a little world beyond thrown in as well. Final season for them, too. That makes this talking walking dead. Welcome to it. Myself, Jeff Fisher, Jason Buttrill, and Maximus Fisher. IMDB description of Walking Dead this week, Maggie and Elijah learn a new survival tactic from Negan. Eugene's group clears walkers to pay their fines. Umico interviews for an upper class job, and Darrell learns more about Leah and the Reapers,

and Gabriel, the preacher man, encounters another man of God. Welcome to talking walking dead, Jason Maximus. You know, I really am enjoying going from group to group. I'm loving how they're doing it. Really, really, really good. Yeah, finally taking more of our advice. They're listening to us. I know.

They always do. Well, sometimes they do. Then they don't. And then we set them straight and they go back to it, which they learned from their mistakes. But yeah, it was they did the Star Wars model well last episode. I was happy. We didn't hear from Alexandria, but I didn't really care. So, yeah, it was great.

It's a good episode. I know. We're going to hear from this next week, too, because they've got a big storm coming and walkers are going to be coming. I know. It looks like Judith's one of the main characters in that episode, though, so that's a plus. That's cool. That is a plus. So Maggie and Negan, uh, scenes this week were awesome.

Great. We're awesome. Uh, Negan was really fun. Uh, I mean, he's a great character. And I'm glad to see that he's still a huge character in the show. Yeah. And you, you get, you, you, well, I guess you find out that he hasn't really changed. He's still the same core guy.

Um, he's just, I don't know. I guess he's changed the fact that he's not. the leader anymore. So he's, you know, coexisting with his new role. But he's still the same core guy. You know, I would have killed every one of you. I'm a man of my word, that type of stuff. Yeah. I fully believe him. Absolutely. And we all knew that, right? I mean, I don't know that. I don't think I ever doubted that. And in fact, really, we may have even talked about it as why he wouldn't. you know it seemed like i know that he wanted to welcome new people into his group but when you had a group that was so different and strong on their own the best way is to take all the leaders out

all the strong characters and just finish him off and he realizes that now that he should have done that he was too nice yeah well i think the the unique thing about rick's group is they had a very strong leader in rick if it just would have been rick i think that he would have been smart to just do it the way he did it. But I guess what he underestimated was there were many, many Ricks within that group. Right. They were all strong.

And that was what he failed to calculate. Of course, we know the one he respected the most and feared the most was Rick for obvious reason. But yeah, that's why he always was up. Without Rick's strong team, without his support base, he would have just been another one of those strong leaders, one of many, you know, in the world.

But I, but it was just what's so unique is you have a Carol, you had a Daryl, you had Maggie. All of these people could have gone out and been strong leaders on their own. But they kind of bowed to Rick. It were at one time. Yep. I mean, really, I know that, you know, a few of them were with Rick all along, but he always took their input. And that's what we liked about our group is that they were doing things that were bad, but it was always for the right reasons. I'd tell you what?

The foreshadowing in that conversation has got me really excited for the conclusion of the Reapers. Because that had to have been for a reason, right? Like, I would have killed them all. Maggie is going to have that decision. She's going to look over at Negan. Please give me a lineup. Please give me a lineup. And then Maggie is going to have to be the Negan in that situation and just take out the,

she'll probably swing something and kill maybe not swing. It's crowbar. That would be awesome. Oh, if she does something, I would be standing up and cheering. But I bet she is faced with delivering the killing blow to the main guy. It's going to be awesome. That's what a lot of people were saying was him telling Maggie that is him telling her, I made a mistake.

Don't make the same mistake I did. Yeah, totally agree. And when she does it, the shout of Degan lighting a cigarette with a little smile on his face. And turning and walking away. My favorite line this whole episode, though, honestly. was the line when they said when they attack he said when they attack the satellite station and she was like there weren't families and then nighan comes back then where did gracy get it where did aaron get gracy and i was like they mentioned it yeah yeah thank you it shut her up when she realized ooh he does know they all you always think that when you're on the other side that you're the righteous side and everything you're doing is justified and they did they completely you know made them into mon they were mon But they completely forgot all they didn't think they had any humanity whatsoever. Dude, every single, that entire sequence was just so badass.

Yes, it was really good. It was fun seeing the clearing portion of at Commonwealth as well. When we had Eugene and Princess and King, I'm sorry, The King. And Stephanie. And Stephanie as they were, you know, clearing the walkers for the Commonwealth. that was those were a good scene and you know then uh when the king you know starts getting sick and he leaves and gets gets gets drugged up and comes back all happy is this is it's to be right we haven't it was funny i hadn't we hadn't seen ezekiel like that in forever so it was kind

of cool seeing the old king come back out a little bit yeah it seemed like he was eating some mushrooms in that hospital recover room or something i was like i'm fine they gave me some other medicine. I'm good. Let's do this. Yeah, I love every scene that has to do with the Commonwealth. I just love it all. And it also was nice to see like just Eugene kind of just being productive. We're not used to that. You know, we're used to Eugene running and hiding behind somebody else or something like that. He hasn't done that in a while. Like, remember, he was the reason we got the radio. He completely restructured Alexandria and Hilltop's agriculture to make.

but I mean physically. But that's not his area of expertise. That's true. But him getting down was kind of cool to see. And then we meet one of the worst characters ever. Sebastian Milton. Oh yeah, the son.

What a douche. The son's the leader, right? Oh, gosh. And I find that so hard to believe that there's a human like that now. But I guess, you know, living behind the

walls of Commonwealth. And he's the prince of the Commonwealth, basically. He's the son of the leader, and I believe she plans to give it to him when she retires. Which just really bad. I mean, really bad. So, yeah, is he

that douchey, Max, in the comics? Is he that over the top? Oh, yes. He's the one who killed Rick in the comics because no, because Rick's the reason that he wouldn't get spoiled and treated as a print basically a prince anymore because rick's the reason to make everybody were setting the thing even so he was like i'm not getting my privileges anymore so

i'm going to kill him and he did it was so over the top i was like you know what he's like yeah he did it was interesting though like he did he mentioned there was a line where he mentioned that i have guards here to take care of them and then when when mercer ran up with what's that other dude's name um what's the guy the media guy's name that's helping him out? Oh yeah. I don't know the infomercial man. That guy. When Mercer runs up with him that made me think

that Mercer is in on this. He does not like Sebastian. He does not like the way things are being run. Because where are the guards? They were supposed to protect him, but they weren't there. So he was in the plan, right? Mercer, no, Mercer's his personal security. I don't think they have really any

more much. It's just, I think it's Mercer mainly for him, because But he said, I have guards here, right. Yeah, but there were no guards. He could have, well, he was alone with his girlfriend. He could have requested to be alone. Yeah, but to be alone and that be that close to Walker death? That's, I don't know.

And Mercer did not seem very surprised. No, he did not. Oh, darn. Your son just got eaten by walkers. What a shame. I think he's not. That's very possible. That's very, so if the if the comic book line is that this punk, what's his name?

Sebastian. Yeah, Sebastian. If he's the one that killed Rick and we don't have Rick, who is going to be the one that he kills as the one that's trying to take him down Mercer, I guess? Maybe I don't. You know what I'm thinking. Well, yeah, they haven't been introduced to the Commonwealth yet, though. She's kind of taking the place, though, right? I mean, as the-

In the beginning, Rick wasn't with the group of the Commonwealth. He showed up later. But my guess, and this could be a theory, I'm thinking, Rick might keep his comic death because they might not do the Rick death scene until the movies. And if the movies somehow incorporate the Commonwealth, the end of the third movie is going to be Rick's death by Sebastian. Okay. I mean, I guess that makes sense if the movies get made.

We know they're making them. No, we don't. We know that they keep telling us they're going to make them. That's what we know. We don't know that they're actually making them. All we hear about is, oh yeah, that's the plan and we're still on course for the plan, but it doesn't be a made. How? Everything's wrapping up. Like, when are you planning on releasing these things? I know. I mean, that's why we're saying, that's why I was saying that we need to get Rick back. in at least maybe even if it's with the other silly show world beyond but he needs to be introduced I mean he needs to be that people need to know that he's still around and still

the guy right yeah yeah I mean it's gonna be tough if Rick comes back now if Rick were to come back now I mean it would be difficult for him to still be the Rick right the guy in charge. He may come back thinking he's going to be that guy, but I mean, Maggie, Negan, Darrell, I mean, are they going to just bow down to Rick again? Daryl would. We know he would. You can, I don't think it'd be a choice of a conscious choice. I think the leader that Rick is, it would just be natural, right? I'm back. I'm in charge, yeah. He would just, yeah, even if not even saying it, he would just become the de facto leader again. Right. That's just his

personality. Yeah, that's true. Then when we were in the Commonwealth, we also had Yuma Co. as her lawyer herself again. Yeah, that was kind of fun. And her realizing that she screwed her brother without knowing. We called it.

At the very beginning, yes. Yeah, because she already laid the groundwork for them knowing, and he didn't want them to know that he was a doctor. Kind of douchey on her part for not warning him that, oh crap, the reason I got in here is saying my brother was a thoracic surgeon here. The other reason she got in was because she was a lawyer. Like, that's one of the big reasons, the higher society of the Commonwealth, like, if you were

like in your previous life before the apocalypse, the higher chances you get in. When he told her that he didn't want them to know and she just let that slide like, I, you know, I guess I kind of told them already. She didn't even look conflicted about it at all. Right. Oh, well. Right. Pretty messed up. Really messed up.

Maybe she thought, maybe she was thinking that it wouldn't happen that fast and she could, you know, possibly save him. I don't know. It just seems kind of dushy. You're right. Big time. Big time.

So then we had, I'm not sure at the end when it looks like, Eugene is going to sell out Alexandria. I don't think he will. I think he gives them Hilltop. I think he gives them Hilltop to save his prison days and gives them all my people are at Hilltop.

So he knows that if they go to Hilltop, that nobody will be there. And he hopefully will be able to warn Alexandria in time. That's a really good idea because it's a perfect, you know, alibi, because when they show up, Hilltop is destroyed, you know, there's probably a lot of,

you know, you know, walkers around there. Yeah. And we still have, we know that we have whispers there too. Yeah, he does exactly what he said. I don't think so. I think he'll give him, I think he'll give him Alexandria. I honestly do. No way, because he's been holding that. He doesn't want to, he doesn't want to sell out.

Well, he came there to help to get help for Alexandria because he still, I don't think he still knows the war is over because he got captured before Rosita could tell. Tell him. Yeah, but he also doesn't trust the Commonwealth yet. And they have done nothing really to have him trust them. Well, I mean, think of what Lance Hornsby said. Think of all the chances we've given you.

Oh, that's the infomercial guy, right? Yeah. Lance Hormsby, yeah. The infomercial guy. And there's another guy, right, who is a weasel who kind of wants to be in charge. right we haven't met the head lady yet which you know i guess maybe we will because she's going to come face to face with uh eugene you know the guy who punched her son uh and find out that story so we'll meet who she is but the infomercial what's his name oh yeah lance hornsby in the range

uh he uh he kind of wants to be in charge too so maybe he's in cahoots with what's his name Orange suit, boy. Mercer, yeah. I don't think they're in on it. I could be wrong, though. And if I'm wrong, I will gladly say I'm wrong. Well, that would be nice of you, because if not, we would tell you that you were wrong. So it's okay.

Okay, we haven't talked much about the Reaper stuff. Yeah, you know, I got to tell you. I don't know that he doesn't scare me. Pope doesn't scare me. He's just some wigged out guy. I don't know what to make of these guys. I really don't. They do nothing for me, really.

I kind of like the idea. I like the idea. I don't know. Yeah, I definitely feel you in far as they don't seem as scary as maybe some of the other villains we've seen. But I like the idea of like a mercenary group, you know, kind of doing their thing. But I don't know. I guess I'm more interested to see, like, them being used as a tool for, you know, growth of Maggie. Like, I'm fine with that now.

uh, and Maggie and Negan. I'm fine with them. Before I was completely not fine with them, because I didn't think it served a purpose. But to see how Negan is kind of like interacting with Maggie and her having to step into his shoes to deal with them.

It's kind of dope to me. So I'm looking forward to that. The whisperer training was good too. We forgot to mention that. That was fantastic. Yeah. That really was. And that and that and that,

that tactic has just been used so much. I mean, not to mention how that's how the whisperer. tried to take out our group Alexandria, but it's how it's without them dressing up as walkers, but using a horde like that was how they tried to take out need. Right. Yeah.

I mean, it's progressing along those lines of kind of like a replay. And now it's like, you saw the size of the hoard that they got. You can't deny it's a good tactic. Well, no, I mean,

it's a great tactic. I mean, it's a superb tactic. And we know in the, at the same time, when you go to World Beyond, which is again the final season

they were talking about how giant hordes were taking out places we know it was a lie but we also know that that's what's happening in other places around the country right it would it's she's she was saying in world beyond that that's what took out

Omaha the university where this giant two giant hordes came together and just wiped everything out now we know that's a lie but we also that means that there are giant hordes coming across the country, right? I mean, just wiping out

things like a, you know, a locus going across the country. Yeah, that's kind of cool. When is World Beyond? Is that pretty soon? Jason, my heart just broke a little bit. Did you not watch the episode? I mean, the new season started

after Walking Dead this week. Are you serious? Yeah. Yeah. There was no promotion for that? Yes, there was. There was. There was a ton of promotion. All through the show, bro. What? Oh, God. Oh, man. I obviously could give a crap anyway. Dude, you need to watch this stuff. If you, I mean, even if you fast forward through the commercials, you got to know that those were commercials, don't you pay attention to what you're fast forwarding through? What's hilarious is you mentioned World Beyond and I'm like, why is he bringing up World Beyond? Like, we hate that. It started. It started. It started.

It's going to be, it started with. We even, I believe, mentioned it during the broadcast last week. Yeah, that it's starting next week. This reminds me of my John, Cory died. And I'm like, huh? Yeah. I was like, he's coming back. I guarantee you, he's coming back.

And you guys like, uh, he died. What's funny? I don't even care. I'm like, okay, whatever. Okay, so we'll get back to World Beyond next week when Jason has to watch Two episodes back to back. You will care. But does he really have to?

Yes. The only thing that you'll miss is the fantastic, almost full-out gay love scene. That was fantastic. There was a lot more actually better than this episode. He's serious. No, you're not.

Yes, what's his face? The guy. It was a kiss. That was it. A big hug and a kiss. I know, but it was close. No, it wasn't. No, it wasn't.

It was close to some serious gay love of business. But it wasn't, though. It was fantastic. If we got a huge gay love scene on World Beyond, but we didn't get one for Magna and Yumiko, I'm going to be pissed. Well, they were shirtless and hugging, and then what's his face?

The guy in World Beyond, you know, the one star, the one co-star in World Beyond. I really don't know their names. They drive me insane. It just the whole thing is kind of, agonizing. But they, you know, when they met up with his, with his old friend, the black guy, they were friends and lovers. And they were just so happy to be in each other's arms and be with each other that we had the kiss. And then they were crying. And then we go to the end, you know, after.

But there was a lot more in this episode that actually was important. I'm not joking. I know. But that was a powerful scene. Wait, so are you guys saying you enjoyed it? It was better than last season. Guaranteed. But you're a fanboy. I want to hear from Jeffie now. You're a fanboy too. Never mind.

You're both. You know, I'm not really. I like the idea of what they're doing and how we hopefully are getting to, getting to Rick and getting to some of the other characters that from Walking Dead. Because she said in this episode, we're 10 years in. Yeah. That's what she said in the episode. We're 10 years in, whether that means that we're 10 years.

in from when they started and we're still, you know, we're 13 or 14 years in total to when the, you know, when the pandemic started, I don't know. But she said, the lady in charge said that they were 10 years in. The thing that bugs me

the most is I can't take the one co-star. What's her name, Iris? Oh, you, I like, I like the sister, Hope. I like the other characters and even the, the gay guy and his friend. I like them.

They're fine. They're good characters. And they're part of the deal. I got it. But Iris, man, the one girl, just, I can't take her. I'm going to tell you this, Jason. Please watch this. But when you get to the end, you'll realize she made a very dumb mistake. And it's presented as such.

Yeah, well, no question. But because she's agonizing. We can't spoil it too much. And I just, she just okay, I know that she came from the Omaha school world and she was raised kind of one of the elites because daddy was the professor and she was you know the school girl but I'm sorry as a person who is overweight I realize that there's no way 10 years in that you're going to be that overweight no sorry that's what we've been saying about you. We were like any

day now, the pounds are going to start coming off. I mean, it's been 20 years now, something like that since I've known you. And I was like, here we are. Don't start logging us down with fat. So maybe it is too. Maybe it could happen. Never mind. So Jason,

we'll see you. We'll see you give your review of World Beyond next week. I promise you this, guys. At some point this week, one of two things are going to happen. Either I don't like myself and I want to punish myself for some transgression. I will watch World Beyond. Or I am so God-awfully bored that I'm either going to watch this show or pull out some of my fingernails. One of the two will happen.

Oh, well, I mean, I would vote. I would vote because you're a friend. Don't pull out your fingernails. So we have the final season of. the final season first part next week of Walking Dead, the episode 8 for blood. And they talk about the reapers defend Meridian from the herd that we know is coming. Pope suspects Maggie is behind the attack. Really?

Darrell treads carefully. It was interesting to see Darrell trying to feed some information from the guys and Leah this week. as they were out and, you know, canvassing the area, and then he's meeting the other soldiers and trying to play nice and realizing where the weapons are and where everything is in the camp. That's fascinating to see Daryl walked that line for sure. And then we saw that family,

and then they got the dad and son to leave, and Daryl killed the mom. Which was, that was an interesting scene. The dad leaves. He doesn't even take the bag with any of the stuff. He just leaves. I mean, at least he would have grabbed the bag, right? It didn't seem like there was much in there, though.

Like, honestly. I know, but I didn't think he would have grabbed something. Yeah. And I think that entire scene was again to kind of like, what we were talking about last week, that, you know, Daryl's girlfriend's corruptible. And I think she's slowly sliding. She's openly defying that, you know, her leader's orders on this.

Right. Trying to prop Daryl up. She didn't want to do that. She's corruptible. And I think that she ends up going, I think she might be the lone survivor of the Reaper group. You know, seeing that now, that's possible, although I still think that Daryl's just going to need to kill her. I'd be happy with that, too. Daryl's just going to have to kill her because she's not going to be able to be corruptible enough.

I'd be fine with that, too. Yeah, I'd be fine with that, too. But what I will not be fine with is if Maggie doesn't have her Negan episode with the leadership of the reapers. Yes. happens. It has to, right? It's got to happen next episode, right? It's got to happen next episode. Well, I don't know because, well, yeah, they have, they have the herd coming, right? So they could end it with that, with the possibility of that scene coming. And you put it up until next time? Like next? Yeah, because Alexandrians are going to be scrambling to protect themselves from some violent storm

that's coming, which is going to leave them vulnerable. So we're going to have to deal with that. So we may go into the break with the storm tearing down Alexandria. Eugene, we don't even know if we'll get back to Commonwealth to see if Eugene what Eugene tells them. And then we have the fight with the Reapers and we may end it with that scene possibly coming. Oh, bad move. That'd be bad. rounding up the reapers without doing anything yet. But we have no clue.

Like, it's next week. We only have, I mean, they only have what? Yeah, we only have what? How many episodes left in the entire series? Well, there were 24, right?

So this is the eighth one. So, you know, do math. We get 16 episodes then. So it's an extended? Yeah, you have two more,

you'll have two more parts, eight episodes each. So, okay. Wait, wait. Okay. Well, I, so I, that it seems like a bit. Time is short at this point. I know.

I know. The Reapers out until next half of the season, that's stupid. I think they will though. I think we're going to get that. And then I think that's exactly what they're going to do. We're going to drag. We're going to have them prepared to fall, right? So when we come back, Maggie and, and, uh, Negan will have them on their knees.

But it'll be prepared for that at the end. We'll have Alexandria. weathering out the storm but still knowing that they've got suffering coming and we'll have what else that's it right then we I mean we'll be lucky to get back to Commonwealth see maybe we catch maybe we get what Daryl tells what's his name the infomercial guy Lance Lance I mean Eugene tells him to go to Hilltop or whatever I think that's Actually, I do believe he won't give them Alexandria. I can't believe he'll give them,

Alexandria, not yet. But I don't know that we find out what happens with Eugene and the leader and the leader's son. That will be the next round for sure. We won't get that. I guess I'm fine with that. I just don't want them to drag out the Reaper storyline. Yeah, I can agree with that. It's clearly just for this evolution with Negan and Maggie.

And I guess Darrell and his chick. but use it for that, be done with it. And let's move on to the Commonwealth stuff. And then two weeks from now is fear. Oh, yeah. So then we'll have fear and world beyond. And fear will be dealing with the aftermath of the nukes. And it looks like our boy.

I'm excited for this. It looks like Stryan's going to beat the villain. From the promos. Yeah, he was dressed. I know you didn't see any of the commercials because you certainly didn't watch any of the World Beyond commercials. So they also had fear commercials where they show Strand in his, you know, he's at the, the museum and he's wearing an old Union army that as a general and stuff. This is pretty funny.

That should be good. Yeah, I'm looking forward to fear. Yeah, that'll be fun. All right. So talking walking dead, final episode of Walking Dead next week. Then we have season two and the final season and episode two of World Beyond next week. And then the following week, we have World Beyond and fear. So there's so much to talk about in the dead universe to talk about here on Talking

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