Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - S2 E4 | Talking Walking Dead | Dead City 

Episode Date: May 27, 2025

Talking Walking Dead: Dead City  Season Two, Episode Four…  Titled:  Feisty Friendly     With myself Jeff Fisher, Jason Buttrill & Maximus Fisher     SHOW DESCRIPTION:  Believing New Babylon has been thwarted, Dama still wants an army for when they return.  They meet with Bruegel, a new villain for the series.        Each week we discuss the latest episode and what the future may and should hold.  We also discuss all things Dead.  Email the show [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Season 2, episode 4 of the Walking Dead Dead City, titled Feisty Friendly. The Dama needs an army for the war coming with New Babylon. They meet with Brugel, another villain, one of the heads of another mafia family in the new New York. Meanwhile, Colonel or Major Purley and Maggie want to cut to the chase. They want to ask Negan directly where the methane is. And Maggie does learn that her son Herschel cannot be trusted. This is Talking Walking Dead. Welcome to it.

Myself, Jeff Fisher, Jason Butchell, and Maximus Fisher. We take a look at the latest episode of Dead City, the show description, already known, believing that New Babylon has been thwarted. The Dama still wants an army for when they return. And they meet Brugel, the new villain of the series, who I like. I mean, I love his character.

But the whole episode was, I know we're building up. And I know we're meeting, but we have to kind of forego some beliefs, and that's the way the Walking Dead leaves us. We have to forego some beliefs that we're like, okay, that would not happen that way. But it did. So Jason Butrell, Maximus Fisher, welcome to another edition of Talking Walking Dead. First thoughts, Mr. Butchell.

Welcome to the exciting game show. Why is Madam Damn even here? Her negotiating skills are summed up as just don't say a damn thing. Sit on the far end of the table and just clap, you know, clap like a little, you know, like soccer mom. Every time little Timmy scores a goal. That's it. Everybody else does all the talking, all the intimidating, all the negotiating everything. And then get big, and then make big brother, Negan, stop little brother from messing up, Croat.

Yeah. When Nigan is the voice of reason in the room, there's. already some kind of problem going out. It's not working out. The meeting was fascinating. The table of the kings was fascinating. I'm sorry, Maximus, first thoughts.

I think I liked it a bit more than you guys just because I really like Kim Coats' brugel. He stole the show in my opinion. He was great. Oh, yeah, he's great. I enjoyed the show, actually. Because there were just some fun parts in it. Yeah, I know. Like, it was fun. The Walker, quote, unquote, fight called it.

That was fun. And I called it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, spoiler alert, I know we're getting ahead of ourselves, but I want to say this. During the fight, when the Croat and then the Croat accused him a cheating, I said during the episode, I don't think that's a Walker. Right. And the Croat said, oh, you're infusing him with something.

You're giving like the Walker adrenaline or something. I'm like, oh, maybe he's chemically inducing the walker, I'm not sure. But then right after the fight when Negan, when he grabbed Negan and he looked him in the eyes, it was like, I was right. Yeah. I said the same thing. I was like, I think they're making it too obvious when he gave the elbow. Yes, when he gave the wrestling elbow. Yeah, exactly.

I was like, is he not as smart as we all thought he was? Right. Because I thought the whole audience knew at that point, except the Croat. Right. Well, the Croat kind of knew, but he didn't, he didn't think it was like someone who was alive. He thought he was like chemically enhancing the Walker. Right. Which is, you know, okay, I got it.

That's fine. Which is happening. Yes, it is. Yes, it is. Yes, it is. So it's definitely something that Croat has thought about already in doing for his war, which wouldn't surprise me. I don't understand why he isn't doing it, except that he's all concerned with the methane

and keeping the power on. I found it interesting that, so they have the meeting of the mafia families, the Dama and the Brugel. And Maggie, in the National History Museum. Which was cool, which was cool. Okay, we'll start there. The tour that he gave, you know,

Nigan, I think we're going on the audio tour. And, you know, he takes the tour. and he's fascinated with all the art and Washington's crossing and his way. And, you know, it was cool. But so we're having this meeting and it's still possible for Maggie, Herschel, and the major to sneak into the building. I find that hard to believe. But, again, you know, that's just me. I just feel like a mafia head would have his building secured so that it wouldn't be taken down by the down.

Dama, let alone somebody else trying to sneak in. No, you just go in through the roof or something. It's very simple. No one would have thought of that. Be fair, the Dama caught on pretty quickly who was there. Yeah, I mean, I guess it needed to happen. I guess, you know, we needed to have Maggie and Nigan meet up, and we needed to have, you know, Herschel run into the Dama,

and we got the Dama. and Maggie seeing each other for the first time face to face, which means that really Maggie knows, right? I mean, now she knows that that's the lady that Herschel's been drawing, and Negan told her, you know, your boy can't be trusted. She doesn't want to believe it, but she knows that it's true. Yeah. I mean, it's almost, it's a little more sinister, this whole, whatever she,

did to Herschel now. It's, I don't know, it just seems a little bit more evil or something because Herschel's clearly, uh, brain bent or manipulated. Clearly. Whatever. And what's crazy is, uh, Madam Dam doesn't care. Oh. That, uh, Maggie is there.

Didn't even care. Like, they're looking at each other at that one, in that one scene. Yeah. And I was like, she's not raising the alarm. She just doesn't give a crap. I was like, dang, that's pretty crazy. I think it's because in her brain, she's like, I got Herschel. It's fine.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. He's like, he's mine. That was kind of like a showoff where they were both saying he's mine, and Madame Dam was clearly like, no, he's mine. Yeah, no good. And he is, too. I mean, especially, I mean, there, you know, when, so who is he the colonel?

Is he the major? I mean, is, Pearly, what is his title now? I think he is, I believe he is, Colonel. Yeah, whatever. Okay. All right, but he's clearly, you know, going against New Babylon. You know, the one chick who actually is, I guess, the major from New Babylon, the new head of the army since the big boss died, she clearly knows that she's out.

Right. At least here in New York, she's out. She has to wait and find a way back. And then she can take over her power again as the head of the military. once they get back. I think that's what she's working on. Because her face off with Ginny and taking the gun apart and letting her giving the gun back and saying, you know, why are you here? You're here to kill, well, who we believe is Neegan. Finding out Negan is pretty much, she knows now he's pretty much still alive. Yeah. And so,

you know, we have to wait on that. We had very little, I mean, the foragers want him gone. All right. The bush people want him out. Have a nice day. Get out of here. Time for you to leave. enough already and Brugel knows they were in the park gave him there he threw that out there at the tour

oh by the way did you find what you were looking for in the park that was a great line which I thought was funny just a way of saying I know you're there I got it

off of her story that she was telling that whatever she is whatever rank she is captain whatever the heck she is it seems like she's clearly her power was just

she was underneath the colonel or whatever? The governor. She was underneath the governor. Yeah. But no, no, no. I think, but in the, in the pecking order, she was underneath the colonel. But she was the right hand. She was the, she was found, basically the almost like the daughter to the governor. Yeah. Correct. And that's where her power, like it was, it wasn't even real power, I guess. It was just because she was the favorite. Right. Yeah, it was power adjacent. That was my, that, when she was talking about that story, that was where I went to, like, okay, so militarily, she is under, like, our guy.

But she was the favorite of the governor. Right. Yeah, we saw that. But she has a path to power because she's going to do this, like, extreme justice. When she, when she confirms Negan is alive, she's going to try and kill what's his name? Yeah. Absolutely.

Yeah, the major. Yeah, gone, have a nice day. And she's not crazy about Maggie either. So we just kill them all in her mind. She's ready to kill them all. And so how long does Herschel last? Is the death of Herschel coming? Or does Negan?

The death of Negan coming. No, I don't think. I don't think we're getting death of Neen. Trying to save Maggie and Herschel. I don't think we're getting death of Negan. I think there's going to be a season three of Dead City. I don't know if it's been greenlit or not. Yeah.

That's one of the problems. I don't think that any of the main characters are ever at risk here. Herschel, I might, I think might die. Might. But it's 75% not. I'm giving it a 25% chance he got to dies. No way. I don't know, mate.

I mean, you could. I'll eat crow if he does, but I just don't sound little. I don't think they'll kill Glenn's kid. No way. So who, I mean, the historian bites it, right? I love that. That was a great scene. That was a great scene at the table where he recalls, you know, who the DOMA was in, you know, in pre-dead New York.

But I don't know that. Did it matter? I mean, I don't know that. I mean, it makes it even funnier, really, that she was an art critic. I mean, they all have their, they all have their backstories of being, you know, just regular people that, you know, took over after the dead stuff. That was, that was, I don't know. All of that was just so irritating to me. Because I was like, you know, if you're a team of young, you know, like 20-something writers, you know, in this show, you live and die by these critics.

You know what I mean? you know, by the people that rate the movies you write forward to, you know, the critics can really bury you. So like, what's the ultimate bad guy in this? Critic. A critic? Are you kidding me? To be fair, we have seen that in a lot of

movies before, specifically. She ran New York City. Shut up. Didn't they do that? The thing is, one great movie did that too. The name's Ratatooie. Yeah, the documentary Ratatooey. kind of ridiculous man

it kind of is but you know it's it was funny uh and now and i don't know it just felt like we didn't need to actually know um i think that was the point though that she didn't want anybody know like who she was in the later yeah i i understand i do understand that but we as an audience i don't know that we needed to know that because that just makes it even more cartoony yeah right yeah I don't know.

And the historian, he's got to go. Tired of him with his little book and his whole thing. We didn't finish him off right now. Be done with him. Toss him into the fire right now. No, he was useful in basically her, like being able to tell Negan. Oh, yeah, Herschel's mine. Yeah, that's true.

She did let Nekin know at the table that Herschel is mine. So, I mean, that's fascinating. So now we know that, I mean, Negan knows that Herschel. is hers. Maggie knows that Herschel can't be trusted. And so, okay, so what saves Herschel is he comes back to the Dama. But at that time, his need is irrelevant then. If he isn't part of the Babylon V people, his need is over for her.

Do we, that's why I was thinking that, you know, she uses him as bait and kills him. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I feel like she's got bigger plans for Herschel. Yeah, she just sees something in him. Because that's supposedly her evil superpower, right? She sees things and some of these guys. Well, Ders them like a mother.

She's a critic. I think. I think great. I think rides really seriously. Strongly worded letter. She bit an actor. I think. I think one of the best scenes this episode

was the scene before they went into the museum when they were walking out of the park. And they're talking about the Kit Kat, the Kit Kat bar. Oh, how it was before. Yeah, yeah. And funny enough that the Kit Kat bar is a reference to a scene in the Walking Dead when Glenn gave her a Kit Kat bar. Hmm, that's interesting. Right, it's a good callback.

So it was her birthday? Yeah. He gave that to her? Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Huh. That's cool. and then like both

Purley and Maggie talking about it and then Herschel going I don't see what the big deal is like just seeing where his mindset is well he's I mean the cult mind wiping of the Dama is full blown

right the the past days are over and there's nothing to be looking back on that's good we need to look forward and that's where he's at He doesn't care about, you know, give me a break. Okay, I mean, I break, so, big deal. And so you liked, what, egg sandwiches from a bodega?

Yeah, so. You had fire alarm? He doesn't even know what that is. Right, he doesn't even know what that is. Yeah. Yeah, Herschel's like whiny, like, stupid behavior is like... That's what I'm saying. Most of the time the people around him will be like,

kids shut up. You're being an idiot. Or there'd be other kids. They're like, why are you so weird, dude? Like, he doesn't have any of the... that. So I don't know. It's like they're encouraging him to just be a douche. Well, he kind of did back in the, at the Babylon B-City with the other kids where he was just the weird kid that drew, right? It was just a weird kid that, you know. Yeah, Maggie. And Maggie just sheltered him from it.

Yeah. So he did kind of have that. So now he's out with the adults. You're right, though. And I thought the same thing when they were talking about the past with the, you know, the egg breakfast sandwich at the bodega and the Kit Kat. I'm surprised Maggie didn't say when she's brought up or a Kit Kat bar, you know, I got one of the last ones for a birthday present from your father. That's why it means so much to me. Something like that to try to bring him in. I mean, she kind of did, but then she stopped herself.

Like she goes, last time I got a Kit Kat bar was on my birthday and he gave it to me. Like she whispers that and then she just looks sad. Yeah. I don't know. We need to. You're right. And they say, look, Herschel, okay, you don't understand. So shut your face.

Right. Sit there, draw your little pictures and listen to the stories. You might learn something. At some point, and every kid hates this, but I think it's helpful where the grown-up goes, look, you're a kid. You don't get it yet. Right. Right.

Someone needs to stop treating him like he's an adult that's figuring out. Yes. You're being an idiot. Shut up. Remember when we told you. Remember when we told you only speak when spoken to, this is why. And then we get to the arena fight, which was fun. Yeah, that was awesome.

Nor would Nagan decides to go for a small one. He's like, I like an underdog. I like the dinner with an MMA fight at the art theater or what is it, the museum of art, whatever it is. The natural history museum. Yeah, whatever. You know, you ever seen them? You ever seen the documentary Night at the Museum? Starring Ben Stiller and Robin Williams?

I have seen that documentary. I love that documentary. Same museum. It's just, I don't know. You're right. I did enjoy the episode. We're laying the groundwork for something good. Something really good needs to happen soon, though.

I'm curious what's going to happen with Bruegel now that he's killed the funny. So when Nigen whispered to him after the fight, And then he got the methane deal off. I was like, how would he convince him to take away the methane deal? And I was like, and then it shows like, oh, he told him he figured it out. Yeah, quick threat. Huh? Yeah.

A quick threat. Yeah. Clearly this guy's power has just been derived by his little wheeling and dealings like that. It all falls apart. Right. And he's completely full of crap. Right. And we're, you know, who is brugal?

Was he the cook at the bodega making the breakfast sandwiches? I don't know. Well, no, he said he had, funny enough, he said he had a bodyguard before it went all the hell. That was Tony, who was his walker, quote unquote. Yeah, but we don't know why he had the bodyguard, right? We don't know. I mean, I guess some bodega breakfast sandwich makers would have a bodyguard. I don't know that.

I don't know that. But no, yeah, he, he, he, I loved, I loved every scene with him and Negan and neat. And funny enough, the, the conversations between him and Negan, those convos reminded me of old Negan, easy, like him, him, him, him picking the walker, him going, I'm rooting for the underdog, I'm not picking armor. Yeah, I, I just, okay, so they're getting out of the car and everything seems to be fine, you know, the, the, the, the, the, proats, the driver, and Niga's on the, in the front, riding up front and of course the dama's in the back and you know she's throws everybody a bone and then as

they're getting out of the car she still throws her jab at nigan about the family i hadn't about enough of that oh about his wife and kid yeah that needs to the dama needs to have nigan's bat right upside her head right now be done with it he would be instantly killed he has to wait for the right time he would not be instantly killed i don't think he would be instantly killed because Crowat would just say, that's my boy. Not with her. What's the, what's the, okay, remind me because I forget, how do they have so much of a threat against Negan's family?

I don't remember. He, from what I understand, when he came to New York, he put his family on a train to Missouri. Like, that's what he said to Maggie. when we it was actually like a wagon train yeah it was like a wagon it wasn't a two two train when he worked started working up with

the dama she said and I know who you are I heard the train stopped and long story short she's having them brought here they're walking through the Appalachians right now I don't know that I got that. I don't know that I got that.

I think that's what it is. I'll admit, I'll have to re-watch those scenes to confirm. So take what I am saying with a grain of salt. Yeah, but, okay, see, I thought that she just knew that where they were traveling to and had eyes on them and could, uh, could kill them at any time if he screwed up.

So don't screw up and they can continue on to Missouri. That's what I got out of that Either way Okay so yeah That threat makes no sense I mean to quote another documentary That I think they're called Braveheart When one of the main bad guys

King Longshanks Said how will they believe our power When we can't even control the whole of our own island Which is almost a direct quote I believe Because I've seen that movie documentary 20 times Right They don't even have control of Manhattan

They're a random hodge-tok factions. They don't even have control of Central Park. Well, no one does except for the foragers. But there's no, I guess she's kind of the head of the five families, you know, to, you know, as we start talking about documentaries. Another documentary. Wow. But, you know, she's kind of the head of the five families, but there's still the five families.

They're not, there's not one, they're not focusing on one thing. Calling her the heads of stretch. I mean, she wants to be, you know, so they're trying. trying to broker these peace deals with them at the head. But I mean, I don't know. I guess my point is they're not powerful at all except on Manhattan because they have methane. They don't have spies all over the place and they can't project any power anywhere. No, that's true.

I mean, she had to she had to brainwash the kid to find out what was happening with the new Babylon. To be a spy, yeah. Yeah. But she can go out onto trains, way. on the mainland and she's got people all over the place? I know. That's very thin. Like I said, I'll have to

take it with a grain of salt. I'll be back next week with the actual answers. But still, either way. Either whether it's, you know, whether it's what I thought or you're saying, that still is a reach, right, a big reach for the Dama's arm.

Because she, the only thing that they have and it's a big have though. The power is the power. I mean, that's a big... Which, where Maggie knows where the methane is now. They know where the methane is. Yeah, but she's got to get there. She doesn't have enough people to get there.

The uncomfortable truth here is that all Negan has to do is smack the crow out with the bat and then grab Madam Dam by the throat and say, let my family go. Give the order right now. And it would be over with. And he has the ability to do that. Right.

The old Negan would do that The very first moment she threatened his kids or his family Right So I don't know See I would be You're right although I don't I don't really want to get I think Negan you know kind of likes the Croat And the Croatian does have the

You know this scientific ability to you know Continue on with the power which Negan knows you know the world That is important the world needs. But the whole not getting rid of the Dama is an issue for me. Because how about we just throw her off the art elevator and be done with her? But then Crowell out won't work for Nagan because he genuinely likes the Dama. That's the one thing.

Do you notice how Pist he was getting, how Pist he was when the Dama asked him to sit in the back seat with him at the end of the episode? He was mad. Yeah. Also, I loved the scene with Brugel making fun of his accent. That was hilarious at the table. That was great. Brugel's definitely just twisting a little knife and just bugging him a little bit. It's Croatian.

It's Croatian. Now, that's a lot more realistic. That is. The Corat's a nerd. He probably weighs 90 pounds soaking wet. Everyone would be making kick me signs and then putting, you know, and screwing with him. Constantly. Constantly.

The issue is because he's right under the DOMA and he has that mind for the methane. He's untouchable in their group. That's right. And the DOMA's a big scary. Yeah. I meant in their group. Why do you think I meant in their group? Oh, okay.

So that makes sense too. I meant their group. Outside of their group, he's getting made fun of. It makes sense. Dang it. Last episode, I was more on board with her manipulation powers, and now I'm right back where I started. So this next week is titled The Bird Always Knows.

I was interested to, speaking of the bird is, you know, the Negan whistle that he is. Yeah, we had the Savior whistle, which was awesome. And he's the only one that could hear it. So apparently it was actually a Negan Dog whistle at the, the museum, because he was the only one that heard it, I guess. I don't think he was the only one that heard it, but he's the only one that knows what that means. Considering the George Washington painting was on fire. Yeah, you know, who started that?

Was that Maggie? No, that was Herschel. Herschel's the fire starter now. Yeah. That's what he does. He starts fires to let everybody know he's there. Okay. All right.

I get that. Yeah. Hersch was the one that knocked it over. He was the one that said, start a diversion. So yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, that's him. Yeah, yeah.

It was interesting that he picked that, you know, the perfect thing to burn, too. I've found that fascinating. I don't know why. I just found it fascinating that that's the perfect thing to burn for the diversion. It was the biggest thing there? Good for him. Yeah, good for him. That's fine.

All right. So next week, the bird, the title, The Bird Always knows. We'll see what happens. I want, I want blood. I don't want to fake Walker or killing. other walkers. I want some kind of blood. I don't care what it is. I don't care if the foragers

all die. I don't care. Trying to get them out because they're going to have to leave. The Babylon Bee people, you're out. Have a nice day. The foragers have had enough of you. Queen forager told them, get out. Time to go. We're tired of you. And now that we have an alliance, a

kind of alliance between Brugel and the Dama, then so we still have a couple other of the mafia families that haven't come on board yet but I guess with the Dama and Brugel they'll fall in line. The other families will fall in line. I really like Brugel and that ending scene with him

where he's like I still have some tricks up my sleeve after he killed Tony. Like I'm really curious like, okay, what are you up to? Because you're really interesting to me. Yeah. And he could be the one to kill the Dama, which I'm okay with. I'm fine with that. That would save the Croat-Negan relationship

if someone else killed her. And then, you know, it would be... Look, Negan has to take control. All right, I've had enough of this pussyfooting around, trying to be Mr. Communicator. Enough already. Just take it over. I need to be...

He needs to be in charge of the five families and we're done with it. And then he can go and tell the Babylon B people, you're not getting any of it, and get off the island, or you're all dead, have a nice day. Maggie, take your little whiny drawing kid out of here, and Ginny get out too. You're not going to get a chance to kill me.

And by the way, I didn't actually kill your dad, but you think I did. Get out. But he did. I know what he's going to tell her that. He's not going to. Fess up to it. Nien's many things. A liar is not one of them.

Yeah, well, I know you think I killed your dad. I did. I did. Get out of here. If you want to live, get out of here. So, what are you looking forward to, Mr. Butchell, before we wrap this thing up?

I don't know. I'd like some... I know. I'm torn. I'm really torn. I know. I'd like a big reality check where, you know, they all realize that some of the people in power that are just kind of goofy and ridiculous. Even the new guy, even though I like him,

he's goofy and ridiculous. It just seems like all the bad guys now are bad women are just cartoon characters. Yeah, because we have not seen, do you remember when Negan, when we first met Negan, how in charge he was,

and I think we talked a little bit about this last week too, how in charge he was and how powerful he was. And we knew why? Because he showed us. And we've not seen that. with the Daba or with Brugel.

Well, the whole thing with Negan, too, was, as you've watched, like, those seasons with him as the villain, you realize, oh, he has worse people under him. Like, Simon. Like, he was way worse of a, like, a monster more than Negan. But Negan held him in line. Because Simon was the one that just massacred the trash people and killed all the men at Oceanside.

Like, the Degan did not want that to happen. Yeah. Yeah, I wouldn't say that Simon was worse than him. I still think Negan was worse because Negan knew how to channel some, you know, like a monster like that. Yes. That's always the one that's like the more brutal to me. Instead of the one, instead of like a rabid dog like Simon was.

Right, yeah. The one that holds the leash to the rabid dog. Yeah. And then deploy, it deploys them selectively. I'm more scared of that person. But that's always who Negan was. But he could also be the rabbit dog too if you pushed him. Right.

And that needs to happen again. I've had just about enough of that now in rabid dog, Negan. Yeah. Just about enough. We want to see rabid dog Deegan so much, man. I know. I'm hanging on for it. I'm hanging on for it.

I want the switch to be turned. I want the switch to be, I don't know what needs to happen. Something needs to happen where maybe, maybe the death of his family. Maybe he's told his family dies. That maybe that turns the switch on Negan. and he you know there's nothing else to be torn about i'm just going to be deacon maybe that happens

please make that happen please make that please make that happen so by the way i just wanted to check i just checked it is not confirmed there's a season three but there but a lot of people think there will be considering we didn't get like an official like announcement of a season two for dead city and like because until like we knew there was going to be a season two after the cliffhanger but we didn't know there was going to be season two for a while just because of green light stuff. But I get it. I mean, they're clearly waiting to see how viewership is. I'm sure it's been falling off.

I'm sure it has too. I mean, Daryl's kept it up. Well, Derek, look, the Walking Dead has been, you know, hanging on with by the threat of Daryl. Absolutely. So maybe Dead City, you know, hangs on as well. So we'll see how I'm looking forward to it. Anyway, next week's season, what is it, episode five already? Wow.

And they need to make some moves. And I want to say, rest in peace to Negan's family. And I want the switch turned on Negan so that he becomes the head of the five families. And let's move forward. And what about Herschel? I don't care. Yeah. I don't care.

He can live or die. Whatever, whatever. If he runs away and draws pictures in some faraway land, like, I don't know. Brooklyn. Brooklyn. Queens. That's fine. Whatever.

Goes and lives with the bush people and draws pictures of the park. I'm fine. Whatever. It doesn't matter to me. I'm with you. All right. We'll see you next week right here on Talking Walking Dead. Jason Butchell, Maximus Fisher.

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