Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - S3 E4 | Talking Walking Dead | Daryl Dixon 

Episode Date: October 2, 2025

Talking Walking Dead:  Season Three, Episode Four…  Titled: La Justica Fronteriza    With myself Jeff Fisher, Jason Buttrill & Maximus Fisher     SHOW DESCRIPTION:  Daryl and Carol disagree on how to move forward. A surprise attack changes everything      Each week we discuss the latest episode and what the future may and should hold.  We also discuss all things Dead.  Email the show [e-mail]  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Season 3, episode 4 of the walking dead, Daryl Dixon. This episode titled La Justica Frontier. I'm sure, that's exactly how you pronounce it. It means border justice. The overall theme of the show, Daryl and Carol's journey across a broken but resilient France, now in Spain, as they hope to find a way back home. Stuck in Solas del Mar.

Still trying to get out, or are they? Well, at least Daryl is. But you feel it, things are about. about to change. This is Talking Walking Dead. Welcome to it. Myself, Jeff Fisher, Jason Buttrue, Maximus Fisher, as we take a look at the latest episode of Daryl Dixon in Spain, Daryl and Carol disagree on how to move forward, a surprise attack changes everything. Yeah, of course. Jason Butrell, Maximus, welcome to the program. Hello. How are you feeling about this past episode?

Jason Butrow. Daryl Dixon. Let me say, you're probably watching it if you're listening to this podcast. If you're not, if you got disenfranchised, if Walking Dead pissed you off,

you stopped watching it, but you still listen to this because you're a fan of Jeffie. That's probably your first mistake right there. Wait, hey, I have to live with him. I'll edit that out. Go ahead.

But you should really start watching it if you're not watching Darryl Nixon. Because, I mean, last night was, I mean, not last night, but this last episode. The last episode, yeah. This last episode was dang near perfect as far as, wasn't it? I mean, nonstop action. It was like a, like a mini zombie movie.

Yeah, it was like. Yeah, definitely. With everything in it, you know, with everything with Walker danger, people danger, great kill. It was just perfect. It was just great. I did enjoy it myself very much. I was, and of course, you know, jumping ahead,

you know, Darrell is hell bent on getting out of there, so they're fixing the boat. And of course, the one guy that our lighthouse woman wants to pawn off on him and send back to send back to America with him, the California boy, Cooper. I knew as soon as they started talking to him, I'm like, he's dead. He's so screwed. He's like the guy, he's like the guy in the brown, you know, Star Trek uniform that goes in the O-A team. You know he's going to die.

He's dead. If I'm if I'm him and they put me in the show, I'm like, don't talk to me. Don't talk to me. Don't get to know me. Don't talk to me. No, I don't want to go with you. No. I want to hang on a couple more episodes.

Anyway, please. I like being here. But we did. Anyway, it was, it was fascinating. And, you know, of course, obviously, you know, the boyfriend, uh, what's his face is, uh, still all wound up because his girl Justina left. Yeah. That just kind of got put on the back burner for this episode.

I mean, you kind of had to. I thought this episode was really good, too. Like, I really did. Yeah. This episode was great. Probably the second, no, probably the best episode of the season. I was thinking maybe episode one because I really liked the London episode was the best. But no, I think this took the London episode.

London episode was good. There's no doubt about that. I mean, we're four episodes in, right? We have, what, three to go? It's only seven for this season. And, you know, two of the four have been really good. So that's pretty good. You're right, Jason.

You need to start watching it if you gave you gave up on it for one reason or another. You can come back with this season. It's time to start watching. Yeah, for sure. Or if you decided I'm going to, you finish the main show, but didn't watch anything else. Any of the Daryl season, I mean, you want to start with season one right on into this season. It's great. But you can start with this season as far as I'm concerned.

Oh, yeah, me too. I agree with Max and the first episode was previously my favorite. but for the same reason that I liked this episode, because it was almost like a standalone zombie movie, like a classic standalone zombie movie. And they're incorporating those elements. And I've, you know, I've poked fun at like, you know, the three amigos stuff and all that

and incorporating other like movie themes. Like this, like this episode, Mad Max Fury Road. Totally. Very. Very. That's what it felt like. But it was cool at the same time. But you're incorporating elements like survival, zombies are scary

people are psychotic I mean it's just great and we haven't seen this I don't think from the Walking Dead since the early seasons no we have not and they're making do with it I'm really enjoying it plus you know since we've gotten to know Darrell and Carol

so well from you know the the main episode and this show they are their characters are pretty well rounded now you know we know we know what to expect from them. We know kind of where they're at.

You know, I kind of like seeing Daryl have the quick flashbacks of what it was like to be a kid, you know, remembering what it was like. And then, you know, coming back to reality going, eh, have we got to have done with that. Yeah. Yeah. And Daryl is being written as he should be written. Like he's a very dangerous guy.

Oh, yes. At this point, like, I mean, he is a bad mofo. And there was other like, I think it was the first Darrell up season where it was still good but he would make stupid mistakes and we were like it was great but why did Darrell do this?

Why did he do that character? Exactly but they're not riding him out of character. When he first ended up in France yeah when he washed up on the boat some stupid stuff but like there's none of that here he's just a bad mammajama and you don't mess with him I think that's a great call

he is a very dangerous man right yeah he is and I love to see it that's what we want to see out of Rick that's what we want to see out of Negan And even, no. Absolutely. Even not just the Daryl or Carol, but Fede and Antonio, the mayor of the town, Justina's uncle, and Antonio, Roberto's dad. I've loved these two characters and how they've been written, even though he'd haven't had a ton of screen time with them.

Yeah. Yeah, those characters are fine. And they have survived. And they're doing, you know, the people in the city have survived. And they understand the world, kind of, of what's going on. around them except you know i know the mayor called out uh the dads it was the last time you actually left the town yeah you big sis go go plant your garden uh mend your fences but uh you know they they they understand it and they you know they have a grip on it but not like darrell man even the

i mean when you when they have the fight in the city and that's kind of like almost a stream of consciousness kind of like at the beginning of the fight Tell me it didn't remind you of the Battle of Helms Deep from Lord the Rings. You're going a little far there. That was one of the greatest, greatest cinematic battle scenes ever. I said the beginning. I said the beginning and not the whole fight. The beginning.

I get it. The Battle of Helms Deep is like God tear. Oh, Lord of the Rings reference too. You're going deep. You're going deep. I don't think, have you ever seen those? Oh, you can't tear me away from those Lord of the Rings. and every

foo that one time when they you know what I'm saying you need to watch oh yeah and that war scene that you mentioned woof it was funny when you you were talking about like the

first battle scene with the the first first one when they were fixing the boat just kind of crack me up because everything was going perfect and they were having these montages of high five then smile I was like okay what's going to go wrong you knew you knew

what was about to happen. Absolutely. We cannot have happiness in this. It can't happen. You know what they're setting us up for. What's his name, Cooper, the banana sludge or scudge or whatever he comes up. You know, and you're right. And they're all, oh, sure, this is how you tie a knot.

And your boyfriend doesn't like to take direction. Oh, he's not my boyfriend. You know, never. And I'm thinking, okay. Okay. So somebody needs to die here. It's really soon. And we got it to that.

And they did. And they did. No, that isn't something. No, when that stuff happens, that isn't someone, that isn't someone needs to die. It's who's about to die. Yeah. Radar is up. And it did. It's amazing that, you know, it's the, the antifa of Spain. Yeah. Or take it numbers. They just want to burn it all down. The primitives. Yeah, the primitives showed up.

And there was a lot of them, man. I think we'd never get rid of those. That was great. Like, them showing up was great. I loved that. But like, them using the walkers, them getting, like, and they didn't. seem unstoppable at first. It was just hoard like a ton of people, but like you saw people dying. And was that? Even the fighter, even the city guy was like, these guys are relentless.

Was that like, I don't know what it was like a catapult or trebuche or whatever the heck they used? The catapult of walkers. Flaming Walker balls? That was inventive. That's very inventive. Yeah, that was awesome. I didn't quite get it at first. I'm like, I just figured they were firing, you know, fireballs.

And then I'm like, where did the walkers come from? And I was like, oh, okay. I was the same way. I was like, oh, flaming ball of lockers. Got it. Very inventive. You know what? Good job, primitives.

That's very inventive. That is a good job. And I saw also just a back to the beach scene, our boy Cooper, he who, of course, had to die. He, he turned quick. He did. I was like, whoa, he's already. I said the same thing. Yeah.

He's already turned. Right after the, like right after the fighting ended, he turned to you. Yeah, I was kind of like, okay, all right. And Daryl didn't give him any nice knife to the back of the head. No, he didn't. It was just a bag. I've got this gun in my hand, and he's dying. Okay, I took care of it.

He's not good with a pistol, but he's pretty good with a rifle. I took care of. He was badass with the rifle in the cities. When they started opening fire with the Gatling guns and throwing the other weapons down to Daryl. The machine. I love the machine gun scene where they just start mowing it, peeped them down.

And you talk about Daryl being dangerous during that. battle where when they're coming back to the city uh to help of course you know as as a carol's like uh you know uh the one the one line that she used uh what was the stupid line that she used that was like uh just a just a good day huh just a quick easy day huh okay all right sure sure no problem uh oh yeah a quick mission huh okay yep uh when they come when they're coming back to the city and darrell just gets behind one of the uh one of the primitives we know now and just pushes them through the walkers and uses him as the shield that was awesome that's that's what he would do because he's a dangerous man yeah the other guys aren't thinking of that i knew i knew right then i knew this is going to be a i knew it was going to

be a long but very good battle scene when they came up they came up behind them and kind of sandwiched them as they were like fighting right at the front gate. Yeah, it was just cool because they were like the special forces coming in behind. I don't know. It was just really cool. Yeah, the whole thing, the whole sequence is just badass. And I'm growing to, I'm going to love like the city a little bit. You know, I understand.

It's very nice. I like their city. And, you know, we'll see if, you know, first of all, they all hate the king now. And I guess that's when you're king, you have to put up with that. I mean, I mean, Fed is. As a former king, know that. I know how much the the subjects hate you

when you're at the top I get that At the end of the end of the moutho, right? Yeah, yeah, the bear, the mare, when Roberto when Roberto was telling him like, this is the king's protection and he fought back saying, we survived because of the king's stuff.

That's a good point though. I was about to say the same thing. He does have a good point. I mean, it sucks the situation they were in, but they would not have survived it. without all that stuff. Correct. And the king, you know, in his defense, whether, you know,

I don't know what he's doing with the girls and you can only imagine. And, you know, he's, you know, being a king. But, you know, the ruler. But he is giving them what they need to survive these attacks to the people who want to take down the kingdom. You know, the antifa of the day. So, yeah, it is definitely a good point. Yeah. I mean, he's had to bend the knee.

That's a tough one to do. It makes me wonder if one of the plot twists later is going to be the key, the El Wapo is going to be like secretly directing these attacks to make them think that they need his protection. Oh, that's possible. I don't, I don't think he's the, would be the leader of the primitives, but maybe. Or just directing them. Not the leader, but just directing them, just giving them, this is a city you can go try and take. Because I was like, with all that weaponry that Alwapo has, is he's just given a,

away. He's given away Gatlin guns for crying out loud. He's got to have a lot better weapons than that. If he's just giving away that stuff. Oh, the king, the king. Yeah. Why doesn't Elwapo just take all of those primitives out? I don't know. Right. I don't know. I did like the giant arrow gun too. Oh, yeah. The gatling is called, but I liked it. Yeah. Uh, yeah. I don't know. Spear gun. I don't know. But a multi, but a multi spear gun, right? I mean, there was at least eight to ten Spears coming out of that bad boy and that's his brother that that's

Antonio Banderas's brother right in real life is it? No no no I'm saying okay so I don't know I don't know the mayor's name but I'm just calling him Antonio Banderas oh okay yeah yeah no I don't think they're brothers they're not they're not brothers I don't think they're brothers I thought they were

because oh no no they're not no they're not because Justino is obviously not related to Antonio but he's related to the mayor Yeah, she's right. Yeah. And I will say, my pig girl, Paz, pretty bad ass with the whip. That was great. Bringing the whip back.

I like that. I like bringing the whip back. That's a good callback. Little Indiana Jones action. Yeah. Yeah. Did some damage with that bad boy. I liked it.

Yeah. She probably weighs 75 pounds soaking wet, but she's like the Terminator out there. Cracks me up. but though okay I know like that whole the whole battle scene like we have we have Carol with like a mixture of her knife and her pistol just like like kind of sneaking around

too because she knows she can't take direct hits so she's making sure she doesn't get hit like yeah it was cool and we got Carol admitting to her new a little bit of Saladuzazz business man Antonio yeah that's going to happen

you have any kids not anymore not anymore that's a big that's a big admit for her. Yeah. Yeah. That that that relationship's going to happen. You can almost just like bank on it. Absolutely. It's hard. It's hard for me to talk about Carol because she just seems so agonizing to me in this. It just kind of pisses me off. I'm full on with like Darrell's mentality. It's like come on. Let's just get rid of. She's like, what? I think the thing is too. I saw them when there was a river and they were just so lovely and love is love. Love is love. We had actually we had a mention though. the Daryl basically went, I made the same mistake in France. I don't want you to make it. Him talking about, I forget her name, but the nun, like the one he fell in love with.

Yeah. Like, after she died, his, like, if you remember, his only goal after that was, I need to protect Laurent. And now Laurent's gone. So his only goal now is, say, like, get home. Yeah, well, he said, man, you got to let those shit go. Yeah. We got to move on from that. And I don't know that she can right now.

I mean, she's all, once she went and sat down in the movie theater and realized that he really cares about humans, and, you know, he wants to live, have a life and live. And this is what we're supposed to be doing on Earth is living. This is where we need to do it. I mean, she may not want to go back. It's, yeah, it's, it is kind of agonizing. Like, if you're in Daryl's perspective here in his shoes, no matter where the two of them go, no matter where. where they wash up or wander into, they're going to find a community in need of help.

So, and you're never going to get home. You're always going to find someone that needs your help. You might as well go to your people and just get the hell out of there and get home. Right. How many different communities are we going to save on our own? Come on. And that's,

and that's Daryl's thing, right? There's always somebody. Right. There's always somebody else to fight for. We've got to start fighting for us. That's what? He said that.

Yeah. And so maybe, so what? Does movie boy go with Daryl and Carol to America? So Carol can bring her man back to America? It'd be kind of a, I mean, I could see them going in that direction because I could see Justina and what's his face, Alberto or whatever. Finally, hook it up.

Now, Justine is probably going to die. You think Justina's going to die? Yeah, they're going to try to rescue her because there's another someone when they got to help. because Carol's not going to you know Carol's still upset she think it's the end of the I mean the end of the episode was them was them leaving to try to find her and

well they were going after Roberto not necessarily her they were going after Roberto I was so confused at that end scene I was like wait what I just I was just confused I didn't Roberto crashed because he left he left to go after Justina and it's interesting

that the guy the mayor's security guy knows that the one Walker was his buddy that Daryl killed. He doesn't know Daryl killed him, but he has an idea. Remember, those are the fighters that they were looking for that the king was looking for because he called him by name. He said, oh, that's whatever his name was. And so he knows that someone had killed them. I don't think he knows that it was.

Darrell, but he has a pretty good idea that it was Darrell. And then he was going to shoot, what's his name Fred Rico? Roberto. Roberto. And he's going to shoot Roberto, and Darrell's like, it's a lie. I wasn't going to shoot his tires out. That's a fad lie. Yeah.

It's a lie. Yeah. Well, I mean, yeah, I just didn't get, like, was it a flashback or was it Darrell trying to like, you know, how they do in detective movies? Piece it together. Yeah, piece it together. I think we might get an answer next episode because that ending was a bit more like

jumping around a bit. I was like, oh, yeah, maybe, but like, I think we'll get an answer next episode. No, no, they were following him. Yeah, they found the track, correct. They tracked, he said, there's two tracks, one going this way and one going that way, and of course Darrell said, well, we have to go this way.

And of course, that was the correct way, because he's Daryl. And so then they find him crashed, or they find the vehicle crashed, and he's not there, right? Then we got a flash to Justina at some point, but they showed. That's where I got confusing to me. Well, they showed him being taken hostage. I don't remember the Justina

scene. The Justina, like, would go in one of the, in the king camp, I think, like her in one of their camps on her, like, it was near the end. To me, it looked like, what's the, what's the, what's the, what's the, what's Lover boy's name? Alberto. Roberto. Roberto. And to me, it looked like Roberto caught up to Justina and Elwapo. And then that's where he crashed. and so both Justina and Roberto

both went are hostages of the king that's what it looked like to me like he caught up with them I don't all right all right is Max is that what it look like to you maybe like I'll have to rewatch it

the king riding turtles I know that's what I was saying it I was like how did he already what I don't know whatever maybe it's not important maybe we're just supposed to accept it move on oh okay well unless do that. Let's just think of

the king was riding turtles and they did catch up to them and now they're hostage is with the king. Okay. All right. That's what we're doing. This episode was suddenly way cooler. We have ridable turtles.

This is awesome. Giant Spanish turtles. I love them. I love them. I'm all four of. So we have three episodes left. The next episode is called Limbo.

So this is going to be another hunt for what's his name again? Frederico. Roberto. Roberto and Justine. And, you know, so they'll be cleaning up the city, making the bodies. We'll get a full.

We'll see them back at the city. Maybe not. Maybe it'll just be. Next episode looked like we were going to be on a train of some kind. Oh, yeah. They find another group because we hear Daryl saying the water that this group needs is on the train, right? and the train is being hijacked,

so Darrell says, I'll get the water for you. So does that mean he gets the water for him, and then he gets Frederica, what's his name? Roberto. Roberto back. What's the best of Burma? I guess Roberto back and Justina. Maybe that's what it is.

He gets the water from the train, and then he gets, what's his name again? He gets him back. Joking around his eye, like, I'm very curious to see where this season goes, and I wonder if we're going to, Like, because we only have three episodes left, I wonder we'll end the season maybe at the gates of the castle or something, like, or something along that fact. That's possible.

The last, the last episode is titled Salaz Del Mar. So does that mean the ending of the episode is the, you know, the gates closing and they're walking away? They're finally leaving. Or are they staying? It's got to be some kind of revolt. I feel like, like something makes them revolt against the king. I think that it would be kind of, I don't know, I'm not predicting. I just think it would be kind of cool if El Wapo was directing the Mad Max Fury Road people.

Because what you're, who you're calling El Wapo? That's not the king. That's the mayor. No, El Wapo's the king. Antonio Banderas is the mayor. Banderas is the mayor. And then the kid that's in love with Justine, what's his name? Let's just call him Federico.

I like that better. I'm looking for, I will say. I don't know that I've been as excited to looking forward to new episodes as I have been in quite some time. Oh, I'm always excited. I'm super excited for the next week. Yeah.

I want them to just be dropped so I can binge him. I'm actually happy about the weekly stuff. Weekly stuff coming back instead of just all at once. Are you related to what's his name? Federigo. Poor Federigo. Yeah, I agree with you.

dude, Jeffie. I haven't felt like I could actually binge a walking dead show in a long time. Right. I totally could on this one. Absolutely. Absolutely. I want to. It's almost worth not watching them just so I could sit down and watch them right in a row. Yeah. And it's so weird. Like, I don't know why they can't do the other shows this way. Is a different writer? I think I've asked this before, but is it different writers? It is. Well, the writers of every show is different. Lead producer is the same. Gimple. Yeah, but I don't think Gimple. I don't think Gimple has much to say with these.

I think, I honestly believe that Daryl is. Norman Radis? I think he is the one that has guided this. Maybe not. Maybe I'm wrong. And maybe, you know, maybe Gimple, you know, I'm taking credit away from Gimple because he's great. No, really, he's great.

Well, he's in charge of all the other show. He's in charge of them isn't doing the day to day. He's not writing the show. He's not doing the set stuff. He okayes the overall vision and sees that. But the day-to-day filming and the making of that forward progress in those shows, I don't think he has anything to do with. Because Darrell, Dead City, the ones who live and Tales of the Walking Dead were all written by different people, like completely.

Fear was written by multiple people in, like, everything. other season, they had a different change of writers. And it showed. Yeah, well, they were terrible to begin with the whole thing on that. So I really do think it's just, and they're using, and I think they're actually using some, some talent from Europe that maybe they weren't tapping into here in the States that, you know, has a little bit different vision, which I like. Yeah.

I mean, yeah, I mean, the quality of that. the actors has been really, really good on this show. The one interview after this show, the after show interview, had talked to the one guy who was there, who was a Spanish film guy. And he said, we worked with Nick and we took the best of what Nick had and what we thought of and made and did this. And that was where they came up with the Flaming Walkers and some of the other,

fight scenes, the flowing of the fight scenes. Because they had to modify Nicotero's. That's interesting. Okay. So Nicotero was like, he was there and he was saying, you know, let's, let's make it good. I love that. Because they had to modify Nicotero's makeup to work under the flames. I don't like a, it's kind of a bad critique on just American creators in general.

It is. Because the moment they go outside the United States and they get more other people involved with other markets for Spanish. Spanish. Like, where are all the good movies made now? I hate to say this, but like South, for horror movies, South Korea. Yeah. Like, they're way better than ours. Or how about this one? Animation. We're some of the best animation today, Japan.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's sad. It is. It is. And I hate to take this in the direction. But when you're not concentrated on story and all of that, and you're concentrated on some other message, everything gets screwed up. But they even put in a little bit of that some other message in these in this newer European making of the story. But it wasn't take away from the story. Yeah, because the story, and I'm fine with that.

As long as that's not the whole point of the show, as long as the point of the show is the plot and it doesn't get overshadowed by this message, then I'm fine with. All right. So we're agreed. We're all looking forward to next week. Absolutely. For sure. I mean, even if next week is terrible, it won't.

won't be. But even if next week is terrible, this last episode has saved the season, as far as I'm concerned. There's three episodes left. I don't know how, I don't think they could do wrong after this last episode. It was really good. And the London episode was outstanding the first episode. So,

I mean, this season has been rocking for the year. This has been really good. Absolutely. I'm really fascinated to see where we go at the end of this season because the next season is it. It's over. Have a nice day. All right.

Metro, Maximus Fisher, myself Jeff Fisher, thanks for coming along for the ride today. This has been Talking Walking Dead.