Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - S5 E11 | Fear The Walking Dead

Episode Date: August 26, 2019

FEAR THE WALKING DEAD TITLED: YOU STILL HERE ? This is Talking Fear… With myself Jeff Fisher and Jason Buttrill Maximus Fisher still missing in action Episode description from IMDB As Alicia struggles to find her new role in the convoy, she's drawn to mysterious artwork. A simple scouting trip is derailed when she and Strand are thrust into a conflict between desperate survivors. Meanwhile, Morgan and Al hit a roadblock. Listen each week as we discuss the episode and look ahead to what the future may hold… Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Season 5, episode 11, Fear the Walking Dead, titled, You Still Here? Which is a very good question. This is Talking Fear. Welcome to it. This is Talking Fear. Myself, Jason Buttrill, Maximus Fisher, still missing in action. I don't know where he is. He's wandering around someplace.

The IMDB description of this week's episode has Alicia struggles to find her new role in the convoy. She's drawn to mysterious artwork. A simple scouting trip is derailed when she and Strand are thrust into the conflict between desperate survivors. Meanwhile, Morgan and Al hit a roadblock. Hi, welcome to the show. Thanks for listening. You know, of course, it starts out, Jason. Yeah.

You fought hard for the show last week. Did I? I felt that you fought hard for it last week. Well, I'm curious if the title was actually like. a clever title for something going on in the show? Or if that was an actual question to the audience. I felt it was an actual question. I took it as an actual question.

Because when I saw the title, I thought, maybe not. Maybe not. I kind of feel like a broken record now on this podcast for this show because I'm always impressed with their Walker action. And it's a good contrast. Let me contrast it from the Cowboys and Indian season. Remember that?

Remember one of our big complaints was we're the walkers? Yeah. Like it's almost like it's a completely different setting. It's not a zombie show. Now they've changed that. They sure have. Zombies are a legitimate threat. Yeah.

There's a ton of deaths, good deaths too. Good deaths, yeah. Really good ones. There was that one where I think Morgan got the one from the back, but you saw the face. So right when his stick went through the eyeball, you saw like the zombie's face. You know what I mean? It's kind of like, that was great. Yeah.

It's so good. The vine walker with the leash was great. Right, right. The vine pulls him apart. Yeah. This is rotting at the vine. So the walker action is good. I got no complaints with that.

A lot of times the action's on point. But again, I don't, I felt like they took a step backwards again towards the end. I know. Like they were pursuing a plot line and then nothing. No. There's nothing. It was the whole thing again. It was just a whole, we get, we want something.

And then at the end now, you know what, we don't want it. Even in, and I'm going to jump ahead here, but even in at the end when you find out what that, guy was after that script or whatever. Right. That was so important to him and then he dropped it and said, screw it. I don't want it. Yeah, right. That's what I mean.

So what was even the point of that? That's what I mean. The whole thing, the episode was we want to do this, but we don't. Then at the end, it's, nah, never mind. That it might. I don't want it. Yeah. And it was just really strange, really strange.

You know, we had, Alicia struggled with the tree art, which, okay, I guess. Okay. I mean, but again, is that one, so they're risking all of this to go find this one person who clearly doesn't seem to need their help. But they're risking their lives and the entire operation just to go find this person that paints on trees. And then, yeah, right.

And she doesn't even want to, she wants to go find a person that paints. I'm sorry, the artist that creates on these trees. But she doesn't want to be out in the world killing walkers, which I don't understand. I mean, I don't understand her struggle with killing walkers. I really, honestly, I don't understand that. They're these, they're not human.

She knows that. We know that. Kill them. That's, I mean, you have to, by killing them, you're not killing a human. You're killing someone that's already been diseased. I'm trying to figure out where that even began because I guess it was when she was going away from the kids tree house or whatever. Right.

She thought that she might have radioactive crap on her or whatever. Oh yeah, yeah. But they never really developed that on, was that such a psychological trauma to her that she that she resorted it? Yeah, I don't. I guess. No, I don't know. I don't know either.

And I will say that it was, it was nice to see Strand lose the jumpsuit because I was getting kind of used to the, I was getting kind of used to the working man one suit. Right. I like that. I like that. I like that look a lot. Yeah. I'm a fan of that love.

I'm a fan. And then we had Morgan with the slip. We never went back. I guess it was just because he wasn't in the right mental place. But remember he kills the Walker and then spins around and falls? Because he thought it was longer. He thought the stick was longer. But that's just because his mind isn't in the right place, right?

I guess that's all that was about. Well, I don't know. I don't know. That's a good question. I just took it as he was used to his longer stick. I understand. but right I got it

but he knew the length look you know the length of your stick believe me believe me if your mom didn't tell you that's what you got limit with it then she did you a disservice but I mean he knew the length of a stick right

I mean so he just had to was I realized that's what they were you know that it should have been longer like time to get a new stick and he was like no I'm good, but it was just the whole mental aspect of it, right? I think we just figured out why he's always jumping in big trucks and stuff like that. You know, it's like, he's like,

well, I'm not jumping in the big Chevy truck. I'm not compensating for anything. What are you talking about? He clearly thinks there's something else going on with the stick. Right. It's just not the case. No, it is not the case at all. I did, and you're right, we go back to the walkers as I go down the list of, you know,

I just kind of take notes as, episode rolls on at night. And the, plus I will say this too, is this episode, I ended up, I was, we were busy,

so I didn't watch it live. And I thought, oh, I'll get to pull a Jason. I'll just watch it on the DVR. I can fast forward through the commercials. You had no, the DVR didn't record.

Oh. So I had to wait until the late episode, the late replay episode, and sit through the whole thing again. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. Oh, it was tough. I was wondering why I didn't hear from you.

I know. That's the text. But I did love that when you go back to the good walker scenes, you know, they've had some great walker scenes. They had the walkers eating the cattle and the walkers, you know, as they're walking coming out of at you. In fact, a couple times I thought the walkers were actually doing more than they should. You know, it seemed like they were coming up and they were raising their arms and trying

to maneuver more than they really actually should. but oh well. Did you know on that, did you notice when, remember when they were stuck in the police station and there was all the walkers, you know, tapping on the glass or just they're stuck?

But then when they actually get in, why did the window break from the one walker? I didn't understand that. Well, a bullet hole went through, right? The bullet hole cracked that window earlier. They made a big point of that one bullet

going through the glass. So that's what started the crack. You're right. I didn't even notice that. of the walkers, you know, ended up cracking the glass. That makes sense. That's what made it through, yeah. I was, I was already jumping to the manufacturing crisis stuff.

He's like, come on, man. Well, it was a manufacturing crisis, though, because they had all the walkers out front and a painter boy was able to go out back with no problem. Why did he have to come around front? Why didn't they just leave? I don't understand. Yeah. Or, you know.

They all could have left out the same way he left. Yeah. Or they all could have gone, you know, just banged on the wall. and they would have all went around back. They could have walked up the front and hopped in the car and moved on. Yeah. I didn't quite get that.

Man, that whole thing with that hitchhiker guy with the motorcycle. I don't know. Are they setting that? So if this was the Walking Dead, I'm like, okay, this guy's important. He's going to play a role at some point. Absolutely. I don't, I can't tell.

I'm kind of leaning to it. It's just he's going to provide this pointless plot line to try and maybe help to develop. Belisha's character, but so all this is just for her. Or as a writer, he's going to help with Al, you know, creating a story for her, for her videotapes, which at the end we find out,

which that we know, let me, well, I'll jump way ahead to the end. Because there's a couple scenes that we, I want to talk about that we haven't gotten to yet. But at the end, during the episode, well, we'll get there. During the episode, Al is keeping her tapes in this giant safe.

Yeah. which was, you know, great giant safe. And she talks about how strong it is and how powerful it is. And I thought, you know, it must be a Liberty Safe. But no. At the end, they just use a semi and pull the damn door off. Are you kidding me? That's all it takes?

No. I know. Liberty saves, those things go through blasts, man. You know, that thing is just being pulled down the road is all that's happened to that safe. Yeah. It was amazing when they, it was a fun scene to, to watch because the walls were shaking and things were falling. You were... I thought it was an earthquake.

Yeah, you wondered what was going on or what was happening to it and then it was just a semi with chains pulling it in and Logan, we're in. Okay. And how did he get the idea to go there? I guess he saw them, one of their one of the his merry band of

misfits saw them going into the safe, but I guess he thought that that's where the oil field maps are. We're going to find these oil fields. That's what we're all after. because when Alan Morgan get stopped by them I did

they go back to look at the maps Logan doesn't go look at the maps with them which I didn't you know he doesn't go look at their maps he just stands there leaning against the trailer with his merry band of misfits and then they let him go yeah okay yeah his merry band of misfits again that this is they look like

a hipster church group so the guys have these like kind of trendy beards you know and like some of them just like threw beanies on their heads to make them try and look tougher as if the beanie makes them look tougher. And they stand there and they try to do a frown. And I'm like, these are the least scary people I've ever seen. Since we first saw them they were. Since, I mean, what was the guy that we were making fun of?

We called them the Metro Negan. Oh, yeah, Metro Negan. I think they were scarier than this group. Absolutely they were. I mean, come on. They had some surrounding characters that were scarier than these, yeah. This is stupid. And then Morgan assaults their leader right in front of them.

And they're like, ah, screw it, go on. We'll talk to you later, maybe. I mean, they pointed their guns at him. Why are they, why is anyone supposed to consider them dangerous and worthy of like looking at and being afraid of? If you can assault their main guy and just walk away. It's no big deal. If he really wanted this stuff, why go to the trouble of breaking into this vault and searching through tapes? When you can take their leader, Morgan, and torture his butt to death until you get your, that's what Neon would have done.

right he started burning his face off to get the information thank you you're going to tell me or we're going to go and we'll go find the rest of your people with your face half burned off and they'll tell me right because they don't want their face burned off I was like there's no way both of them get out of there I was like if this guy somebody's going down maybe they let Morgan leave but they keep owl or vice versa something like that no they both just walk away I got see later sorry they got kind of rough and uh you know you said something bad about my wife and kid sorry uh put my foot mum mouth again crap talk to you later

see ya what no come on I mean that was their whole deal about you know if you don't want to his deal was if you don't want people to talk about it don't put it on TV okay talk to you later I don't know see you later I don't get it I seriously I don't understand I've stopped I've stopped trying to get this and like like I said that writer guy I don't have any faith that he'll come back and I think

what's funny is again like we said last week this is fine if you are not invested in any kind of actual story, like developing story. You can watch that. If you're not worried about the story, if you didn't think that there was an overriding story arc, you'd be like, okay, fine. That was kind of a cool, you know, zombie.

Yeah, it was. Short, like a little short. A little short. If they want to continue this show and if they don't want to combine characters and combine plot lines with the Walking Dead. Do the shorts. Just do the shorts. Yeah.

I mean, we talked about that last week, more specifically last week, about how to go about that. I'm actually I think I'm for that it'd be more enjoyable yeah it would be I wouldn't be because now my frustration is like I said I I watch these with an open mind I'm like oh cool that that was a good zombie death oh cool that was a good situation oh they shot that really well you know actions there you know it's great but then I start like turning south once I'm like okay are they developing a plot like what's happening with these guys that's where are they going with this then I don't enjoy the episode if that was if that obstacle was removed I'm fine with it

absolutely fine with it but I don't see them, I don't know. It's just, it's laughable that they're actually going towards some kind of grand plot. What that is, I don't know how they get there, I don't know, but I don't know. It's actually

frustrating, I guess is the best way to play it. Very frustrating. Very frustrating. I, um, I had, I, I did enjoy a little bit with, uh, if we back up to the police station when, uh,

I've got to go get my brother out of the police station. All right, well, we'll just get your bike off the truck then. Don't worry about helping us. Get your bike off the truck. We'll get it for you. And then gunshots happen. And the guy comes running out of the police station. Oh, he's just going to take our truck with the bike on.

Don't worry about it. We'll just let that happen. What just happened? Does somebody just steal our truck? That whole sequence was weird. Like, what's his name? Strand was trying to, he was like, whoa, whoa, no, no, no, no, no. You know, don't go after him.

What are you talking about? That guy ran out. Did he have a weapon? I don't remember if he had a weapon or not. I think he did have a weapon, and he was bringing all the stuff he stole. Yeah. And then he was going to steal their truck. And they're stopping rider guy from shooting him.

Right. Why? Why? Plus, now you've made taking all these shots against the truck after he smashed the fence down, your protection against the walkers, and you're making all this noise with your guns that is attracting more walkers. It didn't make any sense. No sense whatsoever.

I did like the tear gas, you know. Oh, that was kind of cool. The riot gear tear gas shot. See, they do those things well. They sure do. Yeah. But you don't, I'm sorry, you don't go blind for a considerable amount of time if you've gotten tear gas in your eyes.

Oh, okay. Okay. That doesn't happen. Mr. Protester. What's the last time you protested and got tear gassed, okay? That's what I thought. Thank you. Gaza, a few months ago or a year ago?

Yeah, that's what I thought. Never. Okay. Don't talk to me about that. You don't know what you're talking about. It hurts. Your eyes water a lot, but you don't go blind for like an hour. Did you have it coming out of a Walker body spraying into your face?

That's an interesting variable. I didn't consider it. Maybe that provides some extra oomph or something. It's more potent when it comes out of a walker's body. Yeah. That's interesting. Yeah. Is that that interesting?

I mean, it was fun to watch. It was funny to watch. And, you know, it's okay. But then once again, you know, Strand's got to help. Watch her face out, Alicia, in the hallway because she can't kill a walker coming at her. I don't know why I can't kill a walker.

But after I paint a tree, it's okay, I got it. I'll be better. I'm better now. I can kill walkers. Okay. All right. It seems as though, so this is episode 11. So we've got four or five episodes left this season, right?

We're building up to the Walking Dead, and we saw the promos during this show, in fact, which look really good. I will say I know the promos always are the, I mean that's why they're promos, I know. We got duped for this season. But they looked really, I know. But we have four or five more.

I don't know where, what the happy ending of this show is going to be. Are we just circled up and moving on and where are we going to decide that we're still going to help people? Are we, because I'm over that. I think I said that last week. I'm over the, I'm over the, we've got to help people.

I mean, sure, you want, you've got to help people that want to be helped, but times are tough, my friend. And so if you're not, if you're either, you're either with us or at Gannis. And if you're against us, no, we're not going to try to convert you. Yeah. Conversion therapy is not now, at least in my dead world. Right. I don't know

the whole we're going to help people I actually think could be done well it's almost just like a reverse saviors type group you know what I mean instead of like hurting people they're going out and you could actually make that work

I think it's just not being done well for it to end I don't know it's like it's so much easier on the walking dead because they're trying to build a community and stay in one spot you know and rebuild civilization

they're not really trying to do that They're just being nomads and driving around until I guess their gas runs out eventually. Well, I mean, we saw where Alicia and Al were getting low on gas and then drove another couple hundred miles. But, you know, whenever I'm getting low on gas, I end up on the side of 114 east in Dallas, Texas, waiting for the AAA truck to bring me new gas, but not here. This has happened before? No. I could totally see that.

It's just a story. It's okay. Right. Right. That's just the story No How dare you Think that I would run out of gas like that?

Mm-hmm Sure You know they put in those damn floater gas meters In your car now Is that what it is? Yes You know the good cars used to just That's where you had

That's the gas account you had Oh yeah So The gauge's fault Just because the numbers say you've got 10 miles on it That doesn't necessarily make it true Come on man But I

You know, so do we, do we, we know that Morgan and the crew don't know where the gas is? We know that's what they're looking for. They're looking for it too. Right. So I don't understand. Logan, we don't know where the crap is, bro. Do they really not know? I don't think they know, do they?

Oh, gosh. Now I don't even know. I thought they did. Maybe not. I mean, okay, okay, so what they're doing on the maps is just driving. around leaving their tapes and trying to help people then. But we know where the oil fields are, and that's how they're continuing to drive. It makes sense, I guess.

But we've never seen them sneak under the cover of darkness to the oil fields. Logan saw Al sneak under the cover of darkness with Morgan to the safe, but he doesn't, he's not wise enough to follow them to the oil fields that he wants. Right. And we know, yeah, there's a lot of infrastructure we haven't seen for why oil fields will even be beneficial to them. I mean, it's not like you can just dump raw oil into a car. And it's good to go. Look, all I know is you back up to the refinery, you plug it into a generator, and you got gasoline. Right. You would think that they would show this. See,

this is the stuff on the Walking Dead that Eugene would be all over. They would explain it. Thank you. You know what I mean? There'd be some guy that's the genius that like, you know, gives you a reason for why this is so important. Right. But they've done none of that. I mean, I'm guessing that they found. They found the fields that have the refinery tanks, and they're just taking it from the tanks. But they've already said that a lot of the gas that they've had was going old. A gas in those refinery tanks ain't getting any younger.

Yeah. So, I don't know. I've put my hands up. I don't really care, I don't think, at this point. You know what I mean? Because I'm seriously, I want to enjoy a show that will get me up to when Walking Dead starts again. and that's where we're at. That's where we're at.

And if it's in their same world where they're still called walkers, well some people call them walkers or ears or I've lost. Biders. Yeah, yeah, no. But if it's in the world, it's got some connection.

And if you can just block out the plot lines that they're going for and just watch it for the cinematography and the action, that should be able to get you through. And you'll be able to enjoy it a lot more. You know, I was reading an article the other day where they were, Someone was describing how off the rails the show has gotten. And this, right.

They obviously listen to us. Obviously they do. But they were talking about how off the rails had gotten. But this specific author, which writes for a big publication, was saying how on board they were when they were doing the Cowboys and Indians season. They were like, this was the heyday of Fear of the Walking Dead when it was the best. I thought that was an extremely low point, to be honest. I certainly didn't think it was the heyday.

Absolutely not. I mean, would the first season be the heyday? I would think that what would be the heyday? The third season maybe? Is that the Cowboy and Indian season? Shoot, I don't remember. This is five. So four was the dam.

Four was the damn season, right? Yeah. Because they met the drug dealer, the boss man, Cartel guy, back surgery, Daniel was at the dam, right? Yeah, I think so. So maybe it was three. When was it?

No, no, four was the, four was the baseball stadium. With, with, right, right, right. With Ralph Lauren. Right. Metro Negan. Yeah, Metro Negan. Okay, so that was four. So three was the dam.

Two was Mexico and the Preppers Right So one went from One No one got us to the ship I got us to the yacht

So two was the yacht And the island and to Mexico San Diego and Mexico I kind of So three had to have been Mexico and the preppers Did those go together? And four had to have been the dam and the drug dealer, right?

The drug dealer, the cartel leader in the wheelchair and the dam. Yeah, the dam was the cartel. I kind of liked the, when they made it to like that, remember the Rosario, Rosariobeach Hotel when they were in Tijuana right there? That had to have been in two, right? It had to be two. That was kind of good. That part right there.

Now I got to go back and look at it because I'm, I'm, kind of, I know you like that. You like the hotel stuff. And I like the fact that you had like the cartel guys were like taking control of the, the, uh, the supermarket and they were charging people for the water. Right. Because that's this type of stuff that you could actually, okay, this would actually happen. This would happen.

This would happen. That's what, so I enjoyed that. That wasn't that bad. No, it wasn't. And that's when Nick met, uh, Luciana. And there was that guy that was kind of considered. Remember in that little camp that Luciana was a part of where he said, Walker bid him, but that didn't really.

happen. Yes. And he was just using it to seem like larger than life. Yes. That wasn't bad. That really wasn't. No, but then we had, right, and then we went to the, then we ended up going to the other stadium.

That's where Nick was drinking Walker. That was stupid. Oh, that's right. And then that's when they ended up meeting the prepper people and going out to their compound. That's right. Now season wise, I'm not sure because I get them, I get them mixed up because they do the midseason and the content changes on the half end.

But, I mean, one went to the yacht. That ended at the yacht, right? Or was that the mid-season of one? And then we went to the island. See, I'm with you on that. I'm confused that. We still might be in season two,

but it might be the split up between the mid-season and the beginning of the last half of the season. Yeah. So when they, the heyday for the show from me was when they got off the yacht and Strand started taking them to go,

Go see that. Oh. Go see the drug dealer, the mom and his boyfriend. Okay, that was stupid. I didn't like that, actually. That's when Daniel died or air-quoted died. Right. You thought he was dead.

After that, they went into Tijuana. That's the part that I thought was the best part of the show. All the way up until today, I think that's the best part of the show. Cowboys' Innings was stupid. But they were saying that this article I was reading, it was saying that Cowboys' was the Hayday. It was the Hayday. Okay.

And I'm like, go back to your article. How, yeah, back to the article. But how, like, disconnected, I think, is a fan base on, just on fear, actually. And now if you go, okay, let's go back and cover that same ground again with the characters, right? I mean, we have all new characters now. We brought in all new actors except for Alicia. Alicia is the last, last of the dying breed of the original cast, right? And everybody, you know, the people who liked mom wanted, you know,

thought, was hoping that she was the artist and didn't really. die back at the ballpark. Thankfully, I think she did. I don't think we could take her coming back. No. Holy cow. That better not be the case. Who said that? Well, it certainly isn't, I saw the rumors where the, you know,

the rumor mill was that that was her doing the artwork of trees. But really all it was was just reminding Alicia of her, right? See, everyone was on board with this, with the original cast. because they were doing the whole like social justice stuff. Yeah, I was not though.

That was very disappointed. There's California teachers though. It was very, and I should have, I mean, you look back now and you realize, well, of course. Teachers in California, that's what they're going to be.

That's what they were all along. But they were like, oh, it's a blended family and with a strong matriarch. And you know, and you know, blah, blah, blah, blah. And like these, it was just. And just when dad started getting strong, dead.

Right? Once he starts to become a bad A then all of a sudden oh, let's drop him out of his helicopter. Right. Which, by the way, we never saw his body.

I will, I keep saying that. You could show up too. He could show up at any time too. It's so smart. I would rather see him. Yeah. Oh, I would too. I liked him, actually.

But like, if they ever start like running out of stuff to do, bring him back. Bring him back. They can do the same thing for Madison. Bring her back. Yeah. Bring her back.

You know, oh, is we not getting any ratings? Oh, bring both of them back. Bring both of them back. They already, they already. They already, they showed you their motto with Daniel. It's the exact same thing. Those three characters, we never saw their bodies. Oh, yeah.

So what's that tell you? And I'm happy with Daniel. I'd say, I want him on every episode. Yeah, and they hardly ever show him. Yeah. Or it's like a backup roll. Like he does like five minutes at the end of one episode or something. It's dumb.

Real dumb. Real dumb. So anyway, that was episode 11 of Fear of the Walking Dead. And next episode is called Nurtab. N-R-T-A-M-I-D. Is that written on here somewhere? Yeah, at the very end. There's no, there's no description of what the show is going to be about,

but the title is Nurtimid. Nurtamid. So, it's either some sort of cough syrup. And either in search of that cough syrup or, you know, it's going to be obviously something else, I'm sure. Tamid. Is that that AIDS medication? They keep advertising the heck out of?

I think it is. Turn to show you. Tamid? It's something like that. You're taking this sponsor a little bit far. Fear? I think if you're worried about walkers in your life, this is just me thinking off the top of my head.

If you're worried about walkers in your life, you're not worried about AIDS. Right? I mean, the, what's your face? girlfriend want to be is all worried about, you know,

having radiation poisoning and stuff. I, look around. The radiation poison might help you. I think you're good. Stop worrying.

So we'll see you next week on Talking Fear. Thank you so much for coming along for the right. And we're good. We're wrapped up. You happy? I guess.

I mean, episode 12 is just around the corner. I can't wait. Don't forget to subscribe to chewing the fat, by the way. I mean, you're going to want to subscribe to chewing the fat because when you do that, then you'll be

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