Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher - S5 E13 | Fear The Walking Dead

Episode Date: September 9, 2019

FEAR THE WALKING DEAD TITLED: Leave What You Don’t This is Talking Fear… With myself Jeff Fisher and Jason Buttrill EPISODE DESCRIPTION ON IMDB Logan's motives are revealed; Sarah, Dwight, and Luciana negotiate for the sake of the mission; Strand and Alicia race to the aid of a new survivor in a familiar place; a dangerous ... Listen each week as we discuss the episode and look ahead to what the future may hold…   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Season 5, episode 13, Fear the Walking Dead, titled Leave What You Don't. And that makes this, Talking Fear. Welcome to it, Talking Fear, that is, with myself, Jeff Fisher and Jason Buttrell. You know, Maximus is just, he's going to, he's dead for fear. I guess he'll be alive for Talking Walking Dead, but most importantly, Jason and I are here. The episode description from IMDB, Logan's Most, Most, are revealed. Sarah,

Dwight and Luciana negotiate for the sake of the mission. Strand and Alicia face the aid of a new survivor in a familiar place. Ugh. Ugh.

So, so there's a lot of action in the show. I don't know why I still thought I was kind of bored with it, but there was a lot of action. Yeah. A lot of action.

We got, we had, I mean, we can, we had the Logan rewind at the beginning our bad guy rewind from the very beginning which always pisses me off when there's a when there's a climactic thing that's about to happen which we knew you know it was going to be the fight for the oil fields

they start off with that with something like a blast on the past yeah a blast from the past and they introduce new characters new villains gosh don't get me started in the flashback which we'll get into later but they introduced the new villains in the flashback

yeah pretty pretty amazing we had Dwight out with trucker Sarah Okay We had Alicia in Strand Elisha's still out painting trees Agonizing Agonizing

And then of course we were You know at the refinery Which I love how they're refining oil into gasoline Yeah Amazing That's good stuff That's cool Put the rats up in a box

And let the walkers just walk around on the wild That's good stuff I love it That's good That's American ingenuity right there And that was that Dylan's idea? Yeah, the kid. I tell you what, that kid, man. I know.

He's kind of dope. The sad thing is he was just worried about the rats. What about the rats? Shut up. Get out of here. I'm saving your life. It was his idea to make the Walker like forest, you know, to keep other people out over their tree house.

And I guess it was his idea for the little, I don't know, what would you call that? The little, I don't know. Hower you call, whatever you call that apparatus. The mill grinder? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's dope, man. going places. Definitely going places.

But overall, the episode was, I don't know. I just, maybe I'm just down with this season already. Yeah, I get it. Because there's just, there were so many stupid things on this episode where it kept taking me out of it.

Like the, you know, the little the little ambush that Dwight and the trucker chick set up. Yes, in the freezers. Yeah, yeah. He's so, yeah, the guy's like, I got a whole, you know, I'm not so optimistic about my arrival, come up to a major roadblock here.

He's two freezers in the room. There's a couple free refrigerators. You're driving a big pickup truck, push it out of the way. Drive through it, or drive around it? They show up like a... No, they could. There was something, there was a blockage to the other side of the road, too. I didn't notice that. Yeah, there was. I think there

actually was, right? There was some sort of road grills or something. Anyway, it doesn't matter because I was thinking, just drive through them. You don't even have to drive fast with trying to, you know, you don't want to, I mean, I'm not saying smash into them. I'm just saying push them out of the way as you drive by. He acted like he thought there was going to be an IED, like attached to it or something like that.

I'm like, what is the big hold up here? This is dumb. For all you know, it's a freezer full of food, eroded food. So? Yeah. I mean, even if it's full of canned. goods. You could still probably push it with one dude. I have a, I have a freezer

in my garage, similar to those that were used to block the road. I slide it left to right from time to time. You can't do that. If you, and if you can, well, thank you. Yeah. No way. The truck's not that big.

No, I just, now if you were sitting in the way, I could see how he'd be like, oh, I don't know, we're not going anywhere for a while. Thank you. It doesn't Move. You know, I bring you on the show. So we had that, right?

We had that. And then it was, it was, my timeline is kind of screwy because I just got, I just got frustrated. So we're just going to kind of just jump around and talk about some of the things that happened during the episode. Should we start with the flashback? Sure.

Okay, sure. Let's start with the flashback. That was the first thing, wasn't it? Yes. Yes, Logan's flashback, yes. So the whole like, the only thing I took out of the beginning in the flashback was he used to be an okay guy? Right, well, we knew that already. Right, we knew that he worked with Polar Bear.

Yeah. We knew that already. Right. I mean, that was already a done deal. He was the one that set up the power company or the warehouse where they all went to the first time. Right. Because he was delivering the goods. That was part of the deal, right?

Because Polar Bear wasn't Polar Bear the guy that died. in the car with Luciana and the beer. Wasn't that him? Yes. Okay. So I'm not, I'm remembering that correctly. Yeah, yeah. Okay.

So, I mean, we knew all that. We knew that much about him that he was a good guy turned bad. And what turned him bad, I guess, air quoted, I guess is what turned him bad was that he just, he realized that what they were doing wasn't enough. Right. Because this girl ended up dying and he couldn't get to her. So, okay, what we're doing is not enough. So if there's another group that's maybe not quite as scrupulous but are willing to go the extra mile, maybe I would, you know, hitch my wagon to them.

Well, and let's be clear. The other group, Annie Oakley and the equestrians. Okay. That's why. Why do we have to go full on period cosplay? I know. You know? They definitely do, man.

Then there folks are gonna, it was rascally rabbits or you can be a big bear damn, dang it. I was like, what? It was almost as if like all like these groups like kind of go to like at the same acting school. Like in some area and like the king, you know, he went to the same acting school. Yeah, he focused on, you know, Shakespearean. That period. A period. And this chick, you know, went to the old west, you know, you know, cosplay.

And like, screw it. Well, she's going to end. I. I just thought of this. She is going to end up knowing, I can't believe, well, they already met, so maybe she doesn't remember. But they've got, I thought for sure she would remember John Dory. They had to have worked at the same western towns, right?

That's a good, you might actually be on to something there. They had to have worked at the same western towns. He hasn't seen her yet, right? No, they were at, yeah, because they were at the refinery. Yeah. They faced each other at the refinery. Did they? At the big gutton downstairs down at the refinery.

That's right. Yeah, he did. Okay. I'm really surprised there wasn't like a... I know. Hey, aren't you that? Yeah. You played barmaid number 12.

That has to be, I mean, you worked there too? Because remember it was a different city that they went to for the weapons. That's right. For the bullets and stuff. It was a different place. So she had to work at another one. I guarantee you. Oh yeah, I used to manage a town too.

Okay. When the world goes to hell, do not form your little gang. based off of some period, uh, theme or something like that. So good. So stupid. So good. Whatever. Whatever.

Uh, just Annie Oakley and the whole thing. I mean. Oh, so they do appear to be somewhat large. Yeah, they do. They had a big group. Yeah. And she, and she kept alluding to it.

I don't know if she was talking trash or not about how, how much they were growing, or expanding or whatever. Yeah. Um, but they don't, but they don't seem like, okay,

so whatever they're willing to do, which sounds like it's a little bit more on the evil side, they don't seem, they're not like a Negan, like group though. They're not that bad. We have not met a bad guy

that has scared us yet. I mean, as viewers, we haven't met a bad guy that has scared us. No. Doesn't even have cause for any fear. Logan and his band of,

of... Apple dumplings. Yeah. So that was what was, again, that was the, the second thing that was so agonizing to me with this whole thing. Like, they showed up at the oil refinery, which we all knew was going to happen. Right. And then both sides have guns.

And our side just was not willing to do anything. Are you kidding me? I was like, you're in a standoff. Like, why, you know, and then, and then Logan was like, you don't want us to start shooting, you know, with all this oil and the gas. I'm like, yeah, you don't either. We're at a, like, you know, Well, I kind of like a, what do you call it? The standstill. Yeah, standstill. Yeah. It's like there's no win here. So go.

Because you just admitted yourself you don't want to start shooting. Neither do I. What are we going to do here? Bye. Bye. Yeah. We all have guns. I'm sorry, why did you just, the next scene was then on their knees?

I was like, what happened? And so then they go away and then they all of a sudden show up again. And they come out of the outhouse, the Apple Dumpling gang comes out of the outhouse. like we're we surprised you and stayed in the outhouse all night. Ha! Ha! What? I don't. I just don't. And then we had, and I, there were a lot of, you know, kind of cool things in the episode,

but then, of course, we had, you know, they've got the quarry refinery, which was set up and they'd been using to make their gasoline, which was, which was cool, it's fine. I mean, you have to, you have to make, do, and create things. I get it because we flew over this huge mountains to get away from where the oil refineries are and then we're still back to the oil refineries. But hey, whatever. What do I know?

You know, I kind of like the idea of the refinery. I do too. It's kind of cool. I do too. And this literally would be the most prized possession that you have. Absolutely. This would be like Eugene's bullet manufacturing plants. 100%.

That's how important this is. Knowing that, why, how, okay, is this. group deserves to die. They all deserve to die because why would your best fighters all be scattered to the winds? And it's being guarded by this one chick, a guy in a wheelchair, and four children. On top of which. What?

Let's set that aside. Okay, let's say, okay, that's side, we've got, we've got Luciana the one chick, the guy, the handicapper, the guy in the wheelchair, and, for. four kids, then the rat pack kids. Okay. But, okay, so let's, so you've got that down. How is it that we've been doing this and we don't have some sort of guard plan? Yeah.

Up on top for the walkers. You know that the walkers are, are captivated by the smoke and the fire and the sounds. That's what they, that's what they work on. And yet we don't have any plan to try to keep that free. We don't have anybody. One person. One person up there standing guard at the top of the quarry. We don't get it.

I don't get it. We did have a gate that a truck could smash through. Oh, okay. Nobody guarding that either. Right. Yeah. I mean, it's not like they didn't know that someone was actively looking for it. They knew Logan was looking for it.

So, I mean, at least if you're that stupid, in any case, even if no one is looking for it, To leave those people to guard that thing. Well, and run it or whatever. You knew that they were out looking for it. So it makes sense that Elysian Strand were out painting trees. Yeah. What? What?

And Daniel is God knows. Where's he? Where's he? Where's he? Where's Morgan? Where's the, where's nucleady? Newcadies with the, we've got the, they're in the, they're in the caravan. Where's the caravan?

Why isn't the caravan around, why isn't the caravan around the quarry? I don't know. See, these are the agonizing things. I'm like, I can't. You just can't get past that. I can't. I truly, I can't. Sometimes plot holes in like movies and stuff, you recognize them and you're like, oh my gosh, that's so stupid.

But it doesn't ruin the experience for you. This is how bad the writing and the show direction is on the show. The plot holes are so bad that you literally can hardly watch the show. No kidding. And we've neutered. I mean, we had a great crossover with Dwight, but he's become what? Nothing? Really? I mean, he doesn't want to, he doesn't want to kill anybody.

What's odd is they actually, he gets more screen time, which to me says that he is a relative nobody in Hollywood and has no salary. He commands hardly no salary. That's probably true. You notice that the characters that are the lowest named are, or have the lowest profile are the ones that are showing them out. Exactly. The other, it's so obvious, you have no money. So you can't even put that's, that's what's also pisses me off as AMC teased us with all these. big names, these crossovers and these faces, but they're not showing them because they can't

afford to pay them. So instead you get a tease of them and you'll get these other no-name characters as the leads. It's just so strange. I mean, we've had, right? So we had no Morgan. We had no Al. We had no Daniel. We had no what's her face that we had all last week, although I guess she showed up with the rabbi. The rabbi shows up at the end to help fight. the walkers of the quarry. Again, yeah. John and June were there shooting walkers at the top of the quarry. They started in the afternoon, and then it was night, and then it was morning.

So they must have shot, I don't know, how many hundreds of walkers before the rabbi shows up to stab one in the head. Oh, thanks. Appreciate it. You get the bullets to shoot all those walkers, but you couldn't take out five people of the Apple Dupling game. Thank you. And I don't understand, okay, so now since we didn't have anyone guarding the circumference of the quarry up top. So why not let the walkers fall and just stab them in the head when they fall? Your turn.

Yeah. Here they come. Head, head, head. I mean, I just. Yeah. I don't get it. It's dumb. I don't guess we're supposed to get it.

Or they think that the audience is too stupid that they'll like. actually like, say, wait a minute. None of this makes any sense. I mean, I guess I like the, you know, we gave us, you know, some character development with Logan, but who cares now at the end? I mean, his whole group is dead. Who cares? Okay.

Why did you get? Why would you develop a character that's going to die the same episode? Right. Except that in that development of him, they brought in the new bad guys. That's the only thing, I guess. Yeah. And then, you know, in his bad guy. flashback, he couldn't get to the store and save the girl.

That's what turned him bad. So then we have Alicia and Strand and Logan listening to another girl all by herself in the store, trying to get locked in a store, and then the walkers break in, and she's got a gun that Logan left there with one bullet in it. Yeah, I know. It's only got one bullet in. Sorry. So that's the bullet.

He's going to feel bad about this girl having to kill herself because he's the one that left it there with one bullet to kill yourself in. Before we even get to that, I'm thinking, that's the only way in or out of that place? She couldn't just run out the back window, the walkers broke in to the front. It was just a thought. So we figure we hear the gunshot,

we figure she's going to, I mean, the world's waiting for her to kill herself, and yet Art Boy breaks in and say, saves her. Yeah. Right. And, uh, I can't remember his name now. Shoot. The black guy? Yeah. I don't know. Anyway, a art boy who is the original painter, right? And then Strand and Alicia finally show up and hey, I saw you, I saw you still painting. I love your artwork. Okay, great. Thanks. I love your what? He said he loved her artwork. He loved the, he loved the, the Phoenixes or whatever. I mean, he complimented. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That, that whole interaction.

I guess it was only to show, it was to turn Logan back to the light side. Right. And also probably where did the girl come from? Is she getting away from Annie Oakley? Who knows? She's trying to get away from Annie Oakley, like how we met Dwight getting away from Negan,

trying to get away from Negan? Normally you would think that if you're watching Walking Dead that this girl would play a role. But you can't expect that on the show. She could very well just have disappeared by next episode. And we'll never know. seriously. But I was like when I was watching the Strand and

Alicia thing, I was like, what is your entire purpose of this episode? I have no idea. You're just running around like, why do we have all those gas? We can't go save people. You know, like she stops kind of mid-paint on one tree. How we did? How ludicrous is this? They literally are just going around stopping at random trees and painting on them.

That one looks good. I want to paint that one. What? I want to put a bird up that tree. Okay. You think at one point they'd be like, dang, did we really leave that quarry to be guarded by Dylan and those other three kids? Yeah. And a guy in a wheelchair. That'll be fine.

Yeah, screw it. Let's keep painting on trees. That'll be fine. He's lived this long on that wheelchair. And we find, and to be honest, I'm, you know, I'm, I guess I'm okay without Morgan and Al, they've both become. Kind of annoying. Yeah. But then so has.

I mean, the trucker chick, I never liked her much anyway. And they've really forced her on us. She's just kind of a little over the top. A little, yeah. And she feels bad because she stole polar bear's truck. Okay, well, now you're doing good. Get over it. You didn't, I just, I, we have three episodes left, right?

Yeah, I think so, right? There was 16 episodes until, you know, when fear this season is over. and so we'll see what happens in those episodes. I'm not confident that they can turn it around. It's got that feeling of, remember when Jesus told Rick and the gang that the world's about to get a lot bigger? Yes.

It's kind of got that feeling where I was getting that vibe like they were just about to be introduced to a lot more politics and maybe groups and stuff. Right. They're not the only ones out there. I don't know.

It's kind of weird that they haven't ran across, you know, I don't know what we're going to call them. I don't know. The pioneers. I was reading an article by Eric Kane who writes for Forbes and he follows dead. And I enjoy a lot of his work,

a lot of his articles. In fact, I'm going to, I'll close out with a paragraph from his latest article on this last episode of Fear. But he called them the pioneers. Yeah, because she did say that at one point.

Yeah, we're like pioneers. We're like the pioneers. I was calling them Westworld last night because that's whatever my idea. I'm okay with that too. The equestrians. Okay. What was I saying with that? The world's getting bigger, more politics.

Oh, yeah. I find it hard to believe that if they are big, that big of a group and they're expanding, like she said, how. We haven't seen them? Yeah, all this, all our group has been doing is wandering aimlessly all over the countryside. Trying to help people. Right. And she even admitted that she,

She knew who they were. Right. And been watching them and listening to that. But this group has no clue. They've never seen them. Right. I mean, you're kind of sucking at your job. There's a couple people riding horses over there.

I wonder who they are. Armed to the teeth. Right. They're out there doing reenactments in the streets because they're cosplayers. I'm like doing, like a civil war? Hey, Bartholomew. What are we doing this weekend? We're doing Civil War.

Battles of Gettysburg. Hey, don't make fun of those people. Now you're pissing me off. Shut up. Don't do it. Don't, don't, don't. Those people are, don't do it. That's okay.

Don't do it. That's not okay. West, we just stick with Westworld. It's okay to make fun of West World. Don't be making fun of Civil War. West World. So, I know. So we've got a huge out there, and

we're making deals with these people. So Morgan's going to be okay with it. Daniel's going to be okay with it. Are they? I wouldn't be. I would assume no.

I would think Morgan would be like, he'd have flashbacks of Negan. Yeah. And be like, wait a minute. They'd murdered all these people like right in front of you? No. I mean, I don't know. They did let them go. That's why they're not as,

I think that they're not as bad as like a Negan. You know, they did let them go to find their forever place. Well, yeah, but they started off by killing the guy and his team that they had already had a deal with, apparently. And someone made that point. Was it Luciana that made that point? Or someone made that point? Why should we make a deal with you when you just broke it with them? Yeah.

It doesn't make any sense. I don't know. I don't know. It's interesting. This doesn't seem like something that can be rectified or there can be no finality in how many episodes are? We have like with, I think, three left. Three. Plus, with the way they run this show,

they won't even discuss these people again for another four episodes anyway. We won't even see them again until next season. Right. They'll just go off doing something stupid. You know what I mean? And you won't even hear about them. Because we still have Morgan.

Right? And we still have Morgan to worry about. And Daniel, I mean, these are strong characters that are just gone. The only way they could try and save it is that they do like a time jump, I think. You know what I mean? Like you time jump, they found their place that they want to stay in.

And, you know, they've settled into life. And then maybe the final two episodes would be like the coming collision between their communities. But again, this is plot lines that have already been done. I know. I know. Here's the paragraph from the Eric Kane article that I wanted to read for you. And you can follow them if you want on Twitter at Eric Kane. I don't know Eric.

I just appreciate his work. This is, we'll see what happens in the final few episodes, but without some huge changes, and preferably new showrunners and writers for season six, I have zero hope whatsoever for the future of this show. I am relieved, on the other hand, to know that in the coming zombie apocalypse, we will never run out of bullets, batteries, or gasoline.

True. Fact. Fact. Fact. Fact. Fact check, true. So, you know, am I going to make it to the end of, end of the season, absolutely. You know, absolutely. We'll go from there.

I'm sure the promo for next season will be great and I'll be hooked again. I'll be ready to go. The next episode is titled Today and Tomorrow. So we've got that to look forward to. Just remember October 6th, season 10, The Walking Dead. Thank God.

I know. I know. It does look good. Don't tweet me and remind me so did the opening promos of fear. Don't do it. Don't do it. You can listen to us each week.

Oh, no. I'm not even done. Why are we playing? Oh, that's the Walking Dead music. No problem. You can play that. That's fine. This feels good.

Wait, right? Okay. Tom. I don't want to hear all over. That's fine. That's just a little some warming of my heart. Okay.

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